Transformers General

G1 jets are my jam.

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Anyone else feel IDW TF could have used more minis to expand on other characters, like what happened to the first Ultra Magnus, or Throttlebots since Metroplex incident, or, whatever happened to Wheelie and his whereabouts, and so on?

Also unrelated, but do you guys think some characters aboard the Lost Light would be better off somewhere else or in other books like Hoist, Huffer, Brawn and Inferno?
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think Roberts gonna do more with them than he does Rodimus' clique and occasionally Scavengers.

>>90387222

I really mourn the (mostly) demise of miniseries and spotlights. Those were great ways to expand on side stories and characters. But alas they sold far too poorly for IDW to continue doing them.

>>90386206
>What's your favorite new take on an existing character? Do you like any of IDWs new ideas for old characters?
IDW Sixshot, Deathsaurus and Thundercracker are some my favorites, though the last one seems more like an expansion of his bio than a new take.
Also I thought their take on Ultra Magnus was quite interesting, nice callback to his G1 toy.
However, I hated what they did to Arcee, Star Saber and Hellbat.
Always felt like it'd be better to use OCs for their portrayals

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>>90387222

Spotlights need a major come back.

also recently Roberts gave this hint of the upcoming Lost Light issues.

>>90387748
>Miss me?
Overlord? Mutineers? Deathsaurus and friends?
Oh wait, let me guess..Pharma?

>>90387412
Sad there might never be a Starscream spotlight or something like Origins.

>>90387808
Alex Milne?

>>90386206

I like a lot of IDW's writing, especially Rattrap. Though I wish Rhinox was used more than just as a cameo back in Nova Prime's time.

I can't wait to see how King Optimus Primal will turn out, even if that story's at least a year away.

>>90387222

More minis would be nice, but I suppose they have their hands full with the whole expanded universe thing.

>>90390513

I want to see more of IDW Tigatron and Airrazor and please oh god don't kill her off in this timeline

>>90388363
I don't know if I'd want to know Starscream's backstory.
If it was too tragic it'd feel like fangirl bait, but if it was 'he's just kind of evil and always has been' it'd feel flat and boring.

>>90390071
Josh Burcham?

>>90390513
How are they going to call him anyway, Optimal Prime?

>>90391860
He's on Optimus Prime now.

>>90392806
I'm more concerned with what they were going to call Hound or Arcee if they won.

>>90391429
Maybe he was incredibly charming and full of himself prior to meeting Megs, maybe he wasn't entirely evil, but saw some stuff, stuff happens to him. Doesn't have to be either or.

But I agree with you, if it were what you said it'd be bad.

>>90392806
Just Prime

>>90390790

I want to see more of them too.

>>90392806

Primal Prime!

>>90393474
Yeah, no idea how are they going to call Shockwave, Thunderwing and TotallynotDeathsaurus either.
Ultra Magnus, Megatron and Star Saber are easier though. Magnus Prime, Megatronus Prime and err, Gladius Prime I guess?

>>90393934
>Primal Prime!

ApeLinq?

>>90387412
I feel like the spotlights would fair a lot better these days. People seem to really be craving those minor character one shots lately.

>>90394524
I'm not seeing much difference from a few years ago. People were asking for new spotlights then too, and when we got some, they still didn't sell much better.

>>90394551
Oh, that's too bad.
I'd love some more standalone stories.

>>90393978
>TotallynotDeathsaurus

UNKNOWN EVIL PRIME

>>90386206

Love these weird old scourcebook things

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Just lately I have noticed that this guy is a real transformer.

I used to have his toy, a KO, but I never realized when child.

>>90398279

Even the KO is expensive now.

>>90398279
>>90398797
I want to see more japanese transformers y occidental media, but not like in IDW where they're nothing more than dicks or cannon fodder.

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How much LORE can Barber fit onto one page?

>>90387748
The only guess I can really make is that issues 10 to 12 will be about Pharma.

>>90402518
That doesn't contradicts with the history of Soundwave in earth?

>>90403975
We have no idea what else he did on Earth while investigating Bludgeon.

>>90393524
He was Megatron fanboy in his earliest timeline appearance so far.

It's been noted that he has expansive history of all sorts of criminal activity. The implications lean into him having had so before joining the Decepticons, but it's not confirmed.

While I wouldn't mind knowing more about him and the stuff that affects him that we don't know about already; I sort of like his pre-con history being a mystery.
Ambition is such a big trait of his, focusing on his past feels wrong. That and I can't imagine a satisfying backstory for him.

Doesn't help that Megatron, Soundwave and Shockwave have concrete, expanded and sympathetic histories. Having Starscream be the same would feel repetitive.

>>90404126
>He was Megatron fanboy in his earliest timeline appearance so far.
Where was that?

>>90406651
Megatron Origins.

Fembots, yes or no?

>>90411461
yes

>>90411461
Are you that desperate for the attention?

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>>90411461
yeah

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>>90411508
>Wyatt-shit

>>90411508

>male character turned female
>called "Drag" strip

POTTERY

>>90411687
Amazingly enough, having a different gender from G1 Drag Strip actually had nothing to do with the name and was due entirely to the toy mold choices available.

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Oh good, someone finally made this available.

>>90411979

It's pretty perfect though, isn't it?

>>90413072
It actually isn't, considering TFA Drag Strip was never male to begin with so there's no cross-gender aspect specific to the character.

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So...NuCybertronian jets

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>>90413259

For once a Cybertronian mode that doesn't suck ass.

>>90413259
>Was a jet made of knives
>Is now a knife made of jet

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>>90413270
PROGRESS!

Also, he has a faceplate now so he's pretty hellbent in copying Optimus just as he did in the trilogy.

>>90413294

Non-freak Transmutate is QT

>>90386206
>What's your favorite new take on an existing character?
TFA Shockwave being a coldhearted, but still hearted, grey spy was pretty neat

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>>90413317

>>90387412
>But alas they sold far too poorly for IDW to continue doing them.

Problem is that back then the fandom was different than it is now.

People didn't care for non-season1 cartoon characters like Nightbeat or Sixshot like Furman did. They wanted guys like Trailbreaker and Inferno in Spotlights.

There's also the problem that back then people again didn't really care about individual characters as much they cared about the story and action, so Spotlight being all about characterization were deemed "boooooooring" by the TF fanbase.

Things are different now, the comic fandom is different and if they got GOOD artists and writers people would eat up Spotlights like there's no tomorrow.

Make spotlight be a main series that comes every other month, have it alternate between writers, get good artists like Roche and Milne and Guido and it would sell just as well as the main series.

But this IDW so chances are if spotlight were to be back they'd all be written by Costa & McCarthy and drawn by Livio.

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>>90413325

>>90413336
>Costa & McCarthy and drawn by Livio.
We could only hope.

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>>90413337

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>>90413373
There's more than one bootyboatbot to consider.

>>90413336
I remember the hype for spotlights being pretty high.

>>90413392
I remember that too. But apparently anything pre-Roberts is now shit.

>>90413392
>I remember the hype for spotlights being pretty high.

The hype over IDW in the beginning was because it sounded like a dream come true. Simon Furman, the saint of Transformer comic, being given full reign on a main universe book to do whatever he wants and develop the stories how he wants.

But then as time went on, people got more and more buttmad over the slow pace and the art not being like Dreamwave (as in the saturated colours instead of the deep 90s OVA anime shading and designs not being G1 enough) that it turned off pretty much everyone who jumped on the comic bandwagon with DW.

Most oldfags don't really care about story. They want to see their childhood toys looking like toys and doing "good guys shoots badguy" plots for all eternity. They have only gotten more butthurt and more militant in their wishes over the years that I feel like nothing will ever satisfy them anymore.

>>90413462
No I mean people were excited and interested in single character-focused one-shots

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>>90413313
What's with the horns?

>>90413462
The IDW books started becoming good once they got a proper ongoing, and not a bunch of random minis where it was impossible to follow the reading order.

Yes, I know that All Hail Megatron was clichéd and fucked up a lot of the things Furman planned, but I have no problems with either of that. The execution was okay, and Furman is way past his prime, his writing is fucking stupid nowadays. He's the Claremont of TF books.

>>90413325
>>90413294
>>90413337
>>90413366

This is wrong

>>90413857
Horned helmets like the vikings

>>90412244
Where is this from?

>>90413294
>>90413325
>>90413337
>>90413366

I'm so glad that FunPub doesn't have a license anymore and all their shit can be swept away.

Farewell TransTech and Shattered Glass, you shall not be missed

>>90415668
I never get TransTech or Wings Universe or what have you, but while I get Shattered Glass, most everything from SG after that April Fools one shot feels disjointed and a little fanwank-y.
Okay, maybe that's not the right word, but it feels like an injoke that went on for too long.

>>90415711

Shattered Glass really had no staying power. There's a reason the Mirror Universe episode of Star Trek was best as a single episode, and every attempt to do it all over again were increasingly crap. Shattered Glass was excactly like that, with the only twist being that the FunPub team chose increasingly cryptic things to homage with their toy decos.

>>90413392

I'm still waiting for my Spotlight Octane.

>>90415627
Revolution #3.

>>90416936
Oh.
I thought there was a newer TF encyclopedia or something.

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>>90417349
We are going to start getting that for the whole Hasbro universe in May.

>>90417613
That's insane.
Will the TF segment use exclusively IDW G1?

>>90417715
IDW G1 is what's part of the shared universe, so yes.

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>>90411461
si

>>90386206
Holy shit! I remember this cover--I had this issue as a kid!

>>90418626
>Allsparkhasbeentriggered.jpg

>>90418626

>fembots
>combing with other fembots
>not combining with you

>>90411461

Yes.

>>90412244

Glad to see that uploaded. Can't wait for the plot to reach its climax, probably sooner than later...

>>90387748
First might be Circle of Light again. Second...no idea. Third Pharma? Or they make it back to the Lost Light. God damn I still want to aee how the crew reacted when they learn Getaway and by extension the rest of them left them to the DJD.

>>90391429
Saw someone do an analysis that was pretty good. It was tied in with Megatron's complicated relationship with him. So across the continuities Starscream has been at least scientifically curios. In Aligned he actually was a scientist. They surmised instead of being one he was forced to be a soldier in the aerialbots. He got lured in by Meg's original rhetoric and recruited. Then from there they analyzed how at different times Megatron has said that the next generation of Cons will be Starscream's if he only had the strength to take it. A vote of confidence. Then later Megatron saying he dreads the idea of his pretty competent #2 ever obtaining control. Throw in all the abuse and near death Screamer has suffered at his hands and his primary motivation of not letting Cybertron be destroyed again and we could have a pretty good spotlight. I just wanna know the exact moment Starscream decided he had to kill Megatron to save Cybertron and his race.

>>90393978
Actually they could go with new names. It's apparently tradition if you're chosen by the matrix. Orion Pax to Optimus. Hot Rod to Rodimus. Sentinel to Zeta.

>>90414107
Why?
>>90415668
That Transmutate is from neither.
>>90421718
>Sentinel to Zeta
That was never a thing. Even "Sentinel Zeta Prime" simply had different names depending on the continuity. There's never been a Sentinel that changed his name to Zeta.
>>90388363
Starscream's Spotlight issue was Megatron's Spotlight issue. Most Spotlights actually focus on two characters.
>>90421681
>In Aligned he actually was a scientist.
And, you know, in G1 as well.

>>90422010
Ah. I thought all the G1 cons were military bots for some reason.

Has there ever been an explanation as to why Megatron keeps Starscream around? I mean, I know he’s a main character and all that so, you know, he sticks around for the plot, but other than that.

When Megatron came back in RID (The comic) he just kind of drags Starscream around. Why? Starscream had constantly tried to overthrow him, and now that he doesn’t even want to collaborate with Megatron, he just drags him around anyways? I don’t understand the logic. is Megatron using him as a constant example of how not to try to overthrow Him?

In the Ramjet (spotlight? I’m not sure.) Megatron was told Ramjet was conspiring against him and Megatron kills him IMMEDIATLY no hesitation. He shot him, tore him apart. After one instance of Ramjet trying to go up against him

Then we have Starscream. who is doing that pretty much constantly. So why does Megatron keep him around? Even forces him to stick around (on only one or two occasions I can recall. But still. One is enough)

Now, granted, I’m only four Volumes into the IDW collection, and four Volumes into RID. I’ve only seen all of Prime and G1, and none of the animes or Beast anything. So, there are clearly pieces I’ve missed (even though all of those series might not be in the position to help me)

But even in Prime Megatron kills the guy who’s about to kill Starscream and tells him to not make him regret the decision. THEN STARSCREAM CLEARLY DOES BECAUSE THIS FUCKER NEVER LEARNS. and STILL Megatron doesn’t kill him.

This is the explanation Megatron provides in his Spotlight issue, however his narration throughout the issue, in addition to various moments throughout canon, imply that there’s more to it than said explanation.

Here’s some meta that explores what reasons Megatron might possibly have for not just ripping Starscream’s spark out, if you’re interested (I think there’s some spoilers however).

Here the rest:

http://brandxspandex.tumblr.com/post/155855336138/culturalgeekgirl-brandxspandex-zeroiasd#notes

And another analysis:

http://catesly.tumblr.com/post/116138177541/brandxspandex-kokoko-sir-jeannettegray

>>90386206
Pretty much every obscure character that's appeared in MTMTE is an improvement on what they were before in my book. Same goes for LSOTW and SOTW. They made me actually care about Impactor and Springer.

>>90424256
They were designed as military bots by the Quints, but Starscream was a scientist sometime after the anti-quint revolution and the great war

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>>90425040
I always liked the explanation that Starscream embodies the Decepticon ideal for Megatron; independent, ambitious and determined.
But war called for authority and compliance over free-thinking, and violence was used to self-regulate the cause. So the cause became destructive and so did Starscream.

Megatron's abuse stems from his own projections of frustrations over what has become of his ideals. He rationalises his actions as having an enemy on the inside to keep him alert and to excert control over as a way of grandstanding to the troops.
But the truth is that his inability to kill or rid himself of Starscream is a reflection of his inability to let his old dreams go.


All that said; my favourite explanation has to be pic-related.

>>90425511
>and so did Starscream
Actually Starscream was against torturing autobots and his own troops. Mostly because he saw it as a waste of time, buy he always complied when ordered to do so. His destruction was centered more around what the decepticons should have stood for and what they've become. And that he had to do things he'd rather not to survive. But with his ambition of course he was never just satisfied with surviving which led him into the scheming and the Starscream we know.

>>90412244

>giant robot lesbian

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>>90425040
I think we all know why Megatron keeps Starscream around.

>>90425040
Did you read Megatron's spotlight?

>>90428837
There is nothing in that bio or in any stories that even hints at any of romantic preferences of Victorion or Victorion's components.

>>90428837
>>90434253
Confirmed Transformer lesbians:
IDW Lancer
IDW Greenlight
IDW Proxima
Acceleron
Any obscure others I've missed

>>90436656
I would honestly like more human sized transformers. Maybe former saboteurs during the Civil war or something. At worst they could also form an exosuit for a human character if for whatever reason the writer thinks a human is necessary. With them combining the franchises it's bound to happen sooner or later.

>>90436992
There are already a FUCKTON of human-sized Transformers.

>>90425040
The reasons have been stated several times over several continuities:

1. Starscream is a valuable soldier, to the point that Megatron can't lose someone as competent as Starscream lest he weakens his forces. Especially when they are on Earth after waking up, as far as Megatron having only four normal size soldiers (the Seekers and Soundwave) and a bunch of smaller size cassette flunkies, of which three of them are literal animals)

2. Starscream's treacherous behavior keeps Megatron from ever becoming TOO complacent, that way when Shockwave, Scorponok, Straxus, Ratbat, Thunderwing, etc try and stage a coup, he'll be ready to flush them out before they can move against him.

>>90426055
At Megatron's trial in MTMTE, Starscream claimed that Megatron used to beat the shit out of him during the Great War whenever Starscream tried to convince him to sue for peace and a cease fire. Then again, he also stated that Megatron was sidelined for the bulk of the war and blamed nearly all of the really bad shit on Scorponok and Shockwave.

>>90437158
Oh it's totally something Megatron would have done. Kill Zeta with Orion Pax. Maybe forge a new truce and make two separate but equal nations of bots and help rebuild cybertron? Nah. Kill Orion Pax and keep making war. Megatron forgot about peace once he got a taste of real power. And if I remember right Megatron didn't challenge him on that point in the trial.

>>90436992

Go watch Super-God Masterforce.

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So anyways the TF6 movie's getting directed by the Kubo 2 Strings director.

>>90442058
I'm scared.
He could pull a Trank and tank both the movie and his career.

Did the cast got overbloated somewhere between MTMTE 50 and the new notMTMTE?
Sorry for not keeping up, I just recently marathoned post-Dark Cubertron MTMTE up to around Tailgate-Getaway shenanigans and boy is my spirit broken. Will it get better after this? Pre-DC was much, much easier to digest and still felt satisfying.

>>90442080
Could be, depending on how the executives would puppet over him. Of course he could value his dignity and leave over "CREATIVE DIFFERENCES"

>>90442272
Well, how much control did the executives give to Bay?

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Sweet homage.
I always liked Su's covers and interiors for -ations series.

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>>90442902
Well apparently Bay wanted Prime and the bots to have voices while the producers didn't in TF1. Bay was responsible for the raunchy human jokes in most of them and the overlong building tipping in DOTM. I'm not sure who approves the robot designs but I'm guessing he cared a bit more for Optimus and Bonecrusherthan any of the others.

>>90442184
If anything it's gone down.

>>90443054
>and the overlong building tipping in DOTM
Which, let me remind everyone, contributed absolutely nothing to the plot. Everyone runs out the building after it all happens and they continue on their way.

>>90437158
But if he's already got other soldiers lining up to overthrow him, why does he need Starscream?

>>90443258
Yeah, totally could've been a scene where Barricade hunts the Autobots down with Soundwave and the protoforms or making Que do a "two days to retirement" foreshadowing but they wasted the CG on drones hunting humans on a building that was tipping.

>>90443263
Starscream won't let underlings takeover that easily. He worked too hard to let it all go to waste because Shockwave missed a spot or Soundwave wasn't there to scare ursurpers. Starscream's there to stop bots who aren't bigass Megatron-tier bots from becoming Starscreams

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>>90425040

I just like gay robot stories.

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>>90443390
Almost right.

Honestly I prefer it when they use it as a sign of Megatron's mental instability then when they try and force a rational answer to it.
Because it is nuts and Megatron is kind of nuts.

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>>90443390
>fastforward to present
>Megatron is a disgrace to the Decepticons
>Starscream now rules over Cybertron

>>90443512
>>Megatron is a disgrace to the Decepticons
Though to be fair, who isn't at this point?
Even Starcream denounced the 'cons.

>>90443606
The difference is the Decepticons knew Starscream as an opportunist. Megatron was their leader, the first inspiration. It would be like Hitler suddenly denouncing nazism compared to Himmler leaving nazism

>>90443606
Soundwave?

>>90443637
Optimus' current buttbuddy.

>>90443637
Soundwave tried to continue the Decepticon legacy through peaceful means but he wasn't leader material and lacked a following, so he ended up being Optimus Prime's cum dumpster and the laughing stock of the humans.

>>90443665
It's sad that Soundwave is the closest Optimus can get to a reasonable ally at the moment.
The rest either want him dead, already dead, in space, buttfuck crazy, see nothing will go wrong with him or think he's better than jesus and sex combined.

>>90443627
I like that in his treachery, Starscrean is in fact the most reliable Con.
You know what you're getting with this guy.

>>90443735
Wow, that latter half really describes Optimus and his in-universe fanbase.

>>90443747
So was Soundwave. Shockwave was the most questionable high-ranking con because no one could tell what he was into.

>>90443748
Remember, Primus Apotheosis.
No other Prime has ever invoked this. Dude must be crazy charismatic in-universe.

>>90443747
Stability and safety for Cybertron?

>>90443770
>So was Soundwave
But which is more likely, that Soundwave will turn or that Starscream won't?

>>90444057
Starscream will likely seek Autobot assistance to whatever way it will help him, but he's less likely to turncoat the cause. Soundwave has utmost loyalty to the cause and Megatron before losing the war, and when both fell, Soundwave didn't have the charisma or the leadership to be as reliable as he had been before.

I'm really not enjoying the whole "Prime is in charge but everything he does is wrong" stuff. The guy doesn't deserve this shit. Everyone has a problem with fucking everything he does and it feels like he's being forced by the narrative into doing stupid things because some genius thought we needed the old superman takes over arc.

I really liked it when he took a break after the war, if Megatron gets to go off and have fun, why can't Prime get some peace?

>>90444354
I basically see it as he's having to deal with "children". Most of the ones complaining about or to him didn't have a part in his four million civil war. He's been polite to them and telling them to trust him because he has a plan. And if not for the Junkions showing up, his plan probably would have gone through no problem.

>>90425040

Well, in Prime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cP-T3EcK-E

Megs enjoyed watching screamer squirm

>>90444354

same, I wish he could revive Hardhead, find Wheelie and Garnak and go back and have some space adventures.

>>90444354
He can only be the perfect leader, which is boring, or constantly get shit and be forced to make bad decisions. Bringing him back in active role was a mistake, he'd work much better as a supporting character who stays out of major politics.

>>90444354
>every prime before him were crazy, asshole or crazy asshole
>now optimus might go down a darker path
i get that being a prime comes with all the baggage, burden and stuff, but damn can't a single prime come out unscathed from all that shit?
was prima a crazy asshole too?

>>90444403
Or chill out with Ironhead and Ratchet and enjoy the cybercountryside

>>90444500

Ratchet is with Rodimus right now.

Ironhide I agree with.

I think in hindsight, it would have been better that way.

>>90444463

I dunno, I liked in him G1 where he was a good leader but also super dorky. Give him some weird hobby or something that leads to adventures!

>>90444787
But this isn't G1, he was fine there but that doesn't mean him having the same role every time is a good thing.

Does anyone else feel like MTMTE's villains have been sort of meh? They pose a threat and a couple issues later get put on a bus or killed before we hardly get to know them or feel anything for them. As much as Roberts builds up the stakes I don't feel much of a sense of urgency when you know the villains will almost always be dead at the end of the arc and the heroes hardly ever take a hit. At least the main heroes anyway. Skids and Ravage feel like exceptions rather than the rules.

>>90444992

His villains are always the same hoity-toity shitters who pontificate and get killed way too easily after being made to look stupid. The DJD was a huge waste of time.

>>90444992
He creates pointless drama that hardly ever goes anywhere, it's fine once or twice but after a while people figure out that nothing will actually change because of it so they stop caring.

>>90444992
DJD were the worst I think.
>we saw what they do for a living.
>we saw what they can do to the heroes.
>we also saw whatever link or past they had with the main characters.
And then Dying happened.

Also IMO Overlord should have stayed dead back in S1.
Feel kinda pointless to have him back just to invoke more "OH SHIT" reactions and then did nothing impactful.

>>90412244

Kind of a meaningless toy tie-in desu

Will hascon have any exclusive TF fiction like funpub did?

>>90444992
Yes, but then again, I've always felt MTMTE was overall MEH.

>>90445501
I sure hope not.

>>90445657
Well as long as the old guys are not in charge like Wittenrich, Sepelak or Willis.

>>90445259
wow, they're including the toy in the fiction that they organized a whole fan participation campaign around?

COLOR ME FUCKING SURPRISED

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Anyone got a MEGA link for the new stuff like Optimus Prime, Lost Light, and Till All Are One? The one that's passed around these threads a lot isn't updated past MTMTE #57 and I'm not really keen on searching through months and months of Win-O threads on Desuarchive.

>>90446465
use google you dolt

>>90446604
What are some trustworthy sites then? I'm not risking clicking on every "getcomics.com" site.

>>90446713
USE GOOGLE TO SEARCH THROUGH DESUARCHIVE

YOU DOUBLEDOLT

>>90446844
OH

SAY THAT THE FIRST TIME THEN

LOOK! IT'S A PIRATE SEA SERPENT! THAT IS SOMETHING I'VE NEVER SHOUTED BEFORE!

>>90446937
>tfw seacons will never get important in the comics

>>90386206
>What's your favorite new take on an existing character?
Does Action Man count?
Otherwise, RID Grimlock and Animated Wreck-Gar. And, hell, IDW Wreck-Gar.

>>90393474
>Sirius Prime
>Radia Prime

>>90402518
>Amtoltec from an old GI Joe story record
>Binaltech from the toyline
>Dr Marsh from the Joe cartoon
>General Blitz from Sgt Savage
>Shockwave
>Micronauts
>MUTHAFUCKIN VISIONARIES
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>90415668
>Not liking Uprising
Your taste is shit.
SHIIIIT

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>>90413373
...link to full version plox

>>90448600
>not being able to navigate paheal

>>90448546
What is it about?

>>90448892
Beast Wars: Hunger Games/Rebellion AU, but as a character drama cycling through multiple story genres.
Also it has the best BW Megatron since the show, with a great origin story.

>>90448625
>has absolutely shit art taste
>writes plox
Did you really expect anything else?

Alright /tfg/, how do you make Autobot leader types interesting, without turning them into losers, parodies, cunts or crazies?
Real curious, I've been toying with the idea of doing a Lio Convoy/Leo Prime story, since he seems to be the most vanilla of all BW Primes, cool design aside.

>>90448546
>>90449068
I can't believe you unironically enjoy that shit.

>>90449797
what's wrong with it?
i only assume it's a funpub exclusive fic, so i don't know

>>90450344
I mean, if they expected people to pay real money to get fan service mailed directly to them, I should think there are a million other stories fans would rather read than some nerd's dismal dystopian AU fanfic where everyone, Autobots, Maximals, Predacons and Decepticons are equally shitty, and not only is the premise ripped off shamelessly from The Hunger Games, but Eject acknowledges it as such in-story.

Despite the fact Cybertron has a millions-year-old history of gladiatorial combat in like, every G1 continuity.

It took them receiving transmissions of mediocre movies based on books aimed at 13 year olds for the eons-old robots to go "Oh yeah, breads and circuses."

That was the point I said 'fuck this stupid ass shit' and never looked back. Maybe, since you say it shifts through genres, it got better. But I assume it was just shit splattered everywhere, like literally every other piece of Club fiction I've ever read.

>>90450344
I'm guessing his answer amounts to
>Funpub
And, granted, most FunPub stories suck donkey balls, but the BW Uprising and OMAM stories are great.

>>90450751
>pay real money
The Uprising stories are free, genius.
I will admit that the first story is pretty damn weak, but the subsequent stories more than make up for it. It helps that the Hunger Games shit gets dropped quickly.

>>90450849
>The Uprising stories are free, genius.
Well, that's fair I guess. You get what you pay for.

I mean, they probably wouldn't be much better if they were in-continuity. I didn't like any of the "Wings Universe" stuff either. Some of the ideas were interesting but the execution was lousy and the dialogue was awful.

>>90450751
>where everyone, Autobots, Maximals, Predacons and Decepticons are equally shitty
at that point what's the difference?
well i don't know about uprising, but i think idw did pretty well, even earlier where the autobots was presented as reserved and reactionary yet have few but notable black spots (like kup rescue, omega's issue with monstructor) while the cons are brutally pragmatic and more initiative yet stil hold some standard (like megatron's ethical concern over pretenders/thunderwing).
i mean it's quite grey but not at a point where everyone has to be as edgy/shitty as each other.

>>90443665
>>90443735
This RiD? I was reading it before I had to pause it all to save on money so now I've got a whole lot of catching up to do. Same with mtmte.

>>90451287
>at that point what's the difference?
Insignia.

>>90451287
>at that point what's the difference?
Old grudges, mainly.
Specifically, the Autobots and Decepticons are collectively called "Builders", and they use the Maximal and Predacon slave races to continue the old fights that they're too old and decripit to fight themselves.

>>90447050
You need to give them something substantive or a character gimmick to work with. The only thing official was the space pirate thing in BW2 (which they could easily build on), but no one has tried it. If we have insecticon kamen rider jokes why not a space pirate robot sentai?

>>90451870
>slave races to continue the old fights that they're too old and decripit to fight themselves.
Hahaha, what?

>>90451870

>robots
>getting decrepit

>>90451870
this is retarded

they need to stop repeating the autobots vs cons meme. the only thing idw did right was ending the war

>>90452406

Pirate seacons sounds about right.

>>90454881
>there are two seacon crews
>one crew is Piranacon
>other crew is God Neptune
>they hate each other and constantly try to fuck over the other crew

It literally writes itiself.

So when's the RID cartoon show coming back? I don't think it's very good but it tries to be fresh so I'd like to see more of it.

>>90444992

Just a bit, but it's tough balancing act to do. One person's "oh look, a red shirt died, meh" is another's "my favorite character just died stupidly, nooo!"

Personally I just wish a few ex-Decepticons went with them, besides that one undercover dude.

>>90448496

Soundwave, not Shockwave... but yes, that's kinda neat.

>>90449313

I've never had a problem with Optimus, Bumblebee, and Hot Rod. Though it'd be nice to see Bumblebee not get boosted illogically.

>>90450992

I liked that Decepticon PoV thing that happened on Facebook before Ask Vector Prime.

Admittedly I don't read Transformers text-only fiction unless it's on Facebook.

>>90453025

Robots wear down over time, and I believe their living space got reduced thanks to the Galactic Council bashing down the Cybetronians into the dirt.

>>90454976
>It literally writes itself.
That's good. Because outside of Barber, there's not a writer at IDW I would trust with that.

>>90455193

What about Roberts?

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>>90455204
Good God no. I want pirate adventures, not the dreck he writes.

>>90455204
>swashbuckling adventures on the high seas
>it's actually about feminist socialism and how hard life of gay people is

Yeah no fuck Roberts, never let him NEAR anything TF related that's not his shitty little pocket universe of that fucking ship.

>>90455065
Soon, probably. We still don't have a date though.

>>90455204
Didn't Roberts kill off the Seacons already?

>>90456620
No they were put in prison.

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>>90455661
>>90455490
>I want ship adventures!
>Roberts writes **ship** adventures

lel

>>90453005
>>90453025
Well, technically it's that they're too big and inefficient to run on Cybertron's depleted energy resources, which is why the Maximals and Predacons exist.

>>90455148
>Soundwave, not Shockwave... but yes, that's kinda neat.
No, on the wall. That's Shockwave's face from the Dark Cybertron prophecy.

Quick question.
Starting point for a Transformer virgin? I remember the cartoon from the 80s but not being in the US and no internet it was hard to know what was going on.
Also I would like to skip the light stuff, I've watch a few of the latest cartoons (not sure which) and it seems too mild and very lacking on lore. Then again, I didn't watch more than a few random episodes.

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>>90458766
Just pick a series and give it a go.

My recommendation is G1 series, Beast Wars, have a pick of one of the few TF animes. For live action, TF1 and TF3. For the post 2007 cartoons, Animated->Prime.

If you're looking for lore, you can go to the IDW comics. Marvel also had G1 TF comics that had just finished with Regeneration One.

>>90458766

G1 -> Beast Wars -> Animated.

You're set as far as cartoons go. Don't bother with the rest no matter how hard Prime fags cry how their show is mature and badass it's only good if you're gay and want to fuck Knockout.

>>90459250
I think it's just way better than RiD.

>>90458923
>>90459250
Thanks anons, now the search beings.

>>90455065
Supposedly at the end of the month.

>>90421485
I'm still annoyed the season didn't start off with the mutiny.

>>90456620
Nautilator is dead, shame I wanted to see Megatron react to him having the same voice.

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All shall crumble,
Before Rumble.

>>90457726
Not true.

http://web.archive.org/web/20071021024925/http://physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/vok.txt

According to the people who wrote the show:

>In the past, the previous generation of G1 Transformers had sought out
other races and attempted to befriend them, but their colossal size was
occasionally a barrier to this. However, the Maximals and Predacons were
smaller and compact, and thus able to have equal footing with other races.
Furthermore, with the transformation into biological life forms (which was
previously impossible), they were better able to interact with other
races. Thusly, Cybertron was able to fulfill the destiny of being
protectors and friends of the galaxy (this being the ideal form of a
mechanical life form, according to the Vok).

A non storytime transformers thread that survived more than twenty post? I've seen everybody.

Also bump.

Call me shit if you wish, but I still like MtMtE/Lost Light.

Except maybe that whole "Thunderclash's funeral" story.

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>>90458923
for fuck's sake, don't give people outdated versions

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>>90460619
>According to the people who wrote the show:
But wasn't actually IN the show or any sort of official media release, and is thus non-canon.

The only canon explanation for the size difference from the show is the implication of energy efficiency, based on Megatron calling the Autobots "anarchic Energon guzzlers".

This was later outright stated in the Wreckers comic.

>>90455065
Cyclonus will appear as big bad and he'a voiced by Corey Burton
source: an excited Russian

>>90464229
I think the intent/belief of the writers matter at least in our fandom. People care that Larry thinks the Swarm-are-the-Vok or that Tarantulas-Is-A-G2-Transformer

And that wreckers comic frankly is a botcon comic. In other words it was written by fans with little input from the creative team behind BW or BM. I really don't think it should have any input over the details of the BW universe even if Hasbro gave it their stamp of approval.

All the botcon comics and fan club stuff is just opaque to me, desu. Seems like a ton of confusing nonsense.

>>90463301
Is Lost Light any good?

>>90467682
meh so far

>>90413462
Actually you have it all wrong. 100% wrong.

IDW's original sin was their decision to basically jetison ALL of the Dreamwave continuity. This pissed off the entire Transformers comic fanbase big time. Mainly because:

1. It left two major projects FUBARed.

War Within 3, which featured a lot later day characters like Nightbeat and Siren in major roles for the first time in a Dreamwave comic, was never finished and ended with a major downer ending cliffhanger (Megatron running Cybertron unopposed and pretty much all but the Masterforce era Headmasters enslaved and being tortured by Decepticons.

But most notably, was the planned Beast Wars mini-series that was written after the initial all non-show BW mini-series flopped and shitted on for ignoring the characters from the show (IE the only BW characters people give a fuck about), to give fans what they wanted but did not get in the first one: a mini-series that not only only featured the show cast, but would also erase Beast Machines from canon.

The later pissed a LOT of people off.

Finally, there was the main book, which was building up to a big Unicron storyline which would never happened and then some, because Furman decided to be a shit.

IDW hired Furman solely for PR purposes, since abandoning the Dreamwave continuity and expecting fans to start all over again from scratch already meant they were already going to lose a huge amount of their target audience. Furman however, refused to work with IDW unless he was given free reign, and several subjects he would under NO circumstances, be forced to feature: IE NO UNICRON/MATRIX/PRIMUS/GALVATRON stuff.

This was followed with Furman basically doing all sorts of questionable shit to alienate fans: the creation of human characters (which Furman was famous for NOT heavily featuring) and making a huge point about having the Transformers all move in secret and shit. He also rendered Cybertron uninhabitable to further alienate fans via his new status quo.

The spotlight books were create basically to pander to fans who were refusing to read the main minis and wanted not to read comics about a god-awful trio of teenagers and occassionally the Transformers. Basically books all about the Transformers, with the added bonus of allowing Furman to world build and shit.

But even then, he gave out garbage like the Dead Universe (his big idea for the replacement of Unicron as a big bad) and vague human conspiracies and fucking up concepts like the Headmasters and Arcee and making fucking MONSTRUCTOR the original Headmaster.

Sales were shit, to the point that Furman was forced to break his pledge on Galvatron (with the twist that he was his own entity and not related to Megatron at all) and All Hail Megatron was conceived largely as a hail mary to bring fans who hated Furman's NuTransformers, by bringing in the movie cast, retooling the looks of the main cast to make them more G1, and a lot of hard pandering to casuals in a half-assed manner that led to a ton of continuity errors that led to AHM being extended by a couple of episodes and rewritten to address them.

But even as Furman was being shown the door, IDW kept fucking up with crap like Drift and the God push he was given. Or them hiring Costas and Costas further alienating fans by saying he hated the Transformers and didn't see them as "people" and would rather write the human characters and shit.

>>90386206
>Starter topic: What's your favorite new take on an existing character? Do you like any of IDWs new ideas for old characters? Or something from RiD (the toon)? Prime?

I honestly like most of the IDW takes on characters. Some quirks need to be reined in just a bit, like Prowl being ALL ASSHOLE ALL THE TIME and having no other personality than asshole, or events always conspiring to make everything Optimus does wrong, but by and large they've breathed more life into the franchise than anything else.

They do need to be a bit less kill happy with characters too. Tons of 'bots have died since the comics began, and while everyone doesn't need some special focus or whatever, it'd be nice if they also didn't die in droves.

My favorite takes are probably Overlord and Sixshot.

>>90467878
>>90468049

The dreamwave continuity was fucking trash garbage not worth saving, and Infiltration to AHM was great until IDW threw a monkey wrench in.

The fans are whiny losers.

>>90467878
>>90468049
It sounds like you've got a huge beef with IDW to such a degree that you'll write out these long winded posts, when a very decent chunk of what you're complaining about is stuff that people love about IDW.

Chillax, friend.

>>90468481
I only read a few issues of Dreamwave G1, didn't seem so bad to me. What was so offensive about it?

>>90459250
What if I'm straight and want to fuck Knock Out?

>>90469338
Then you're bisexual or gay in denial.

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>>90469283
The art was horrendous. I don't remember much bad about the writing, save for the god-awful Micromasters miniseries.
>>90469338
Congrats, you're bi.

>>90469369

The art was great. You just didn't like the style of it, which is fine.

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>>90469369
>A particularly notorious example [of dull surprise] may be found at the end of "Prime Directive" #4. Superion has been defeated and Devastator looms above all the other combatants, holding one of Superion's components in his fist. Several of the Autobots and Decepticons gaze up at him.
>The Autobots are supposed to be shocked and horrified, Megatron should presumably be elated, and Devastator himself is apparently intended to be roaring in furious triumph. Yet all of the characters, including Devastator, have exactly the same expression—staring slack-jawed off into the distance.
>The page left quite a few fans wondering if this was some kind of twist ending. Was everybody looking at something? Had Omega Supreme or some other towering threat arrived off-panel? To compound the problem, "Prime Directive issue 5" was weeks late, so fans spent nearly two months arguing over what the nature of the cliffhanger was.
>>90469385
Are you fucking blind? Do you not see Prime's extra wheel, his broken spine, his overly long neck, his MASSIVE lower legs, Fort Max having two different designs, or Devastator's.... everything?

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I fail to understand why everybody thinks Chromedome and Rewind are the best pairing ever.

Ignoring all the gay/no females/alien sexuality bullshit, the majority of time spent focusing on their relationship is ONLY the challenges and misery they experience as a result of being in a relationship. You never see them happy together, you never see anything that makes you want them to stick together, it's literally always about "What's threatening Chromedome and Rewind's relationship this time?"

Doesn't seem so good to me. It just makes me want to see LESS of them to avoid the drama. Are we supposed to think they're the best thing ever just because they're gay robots?

>>90411521
>Not liking DJW style

>>90469441
To be fair, that's EVERY relationship in IDW Trasformers. But yeah, they take "gay robots" at face value and decide it's the best thing ever.

>>90469283
Aside from the questionable quality of the comics they produced, they were treated their artists like shit. Many were not paid, forced to draw in a terrible style, and received no credit for their work.
>>90469441
But we've seen them together and happy several times. Like, to an amount where I suspect you either haven't been paying any attention in general or you're selectively ignoring them.

>>90469441
>Are we supposed to think they're the best thing ever just because they're gay robots?
No and I haven't seen anybody suggesting that you should, so I think you're fabricating some weird antagonizing force for the sake of conversation and persecution. Please don't.

>>90469441
Best pairing? I thought it was because everybody knew they were the only pairing prior to fembots.

>>90469441
To me they're just spectacularly dull and I don't understand the hype behind them apart from the concept of muh gay robits. I just can't care about their story or any of their struggles. Maybe it's my utter disinterest in any pre-established canon pairings. Maybe it's because I know everything will work out between them because there would be a fan shitstorm if it didn't. You know how hard I cheered when Overlord told Chromedome he bit off Rewind's head? I couldn't even muster up the emotions to be conflicted about it.

I so badly wanted Overlord and Tarn to be at least implied hatefucking. I'm glad they got to interact at least the few times they did. Can we have something cool like that instead? Sneering while gazing into each other's eyes instead of soppy smiles?

>>90458766
Transformers cartoons are generally pretty weak in the lore department.

G1 creates a big universe with lots of things going on, but that comes from it being an episodic, silly cartoon with a bunch of writers writing episodes rather than one guy with a vision. Still, it's the source for a lot of what you see in Transformers today, so it's worth watching, but probably only if you have an interest in Transformers history as a result of watching some other Transformers cartoon/movie.

I think Transformers Prime fits the most with what you're looking for. They tried to skip the light stuff and be loreful, but--spoiler alert--the lore sucked. That's just my opinion though. Plenty liked it.

Transformers Animated had great lore, but plenty of light stuff, and for some reason I don't get too excited about Animated.

I don't think Beast Wars was a loreful show, but when it did bring in some lore, it was amazing and made G1 a must watch for me.

>>90411508

Why is there barely any smut of her?

>>90470431
because she's an obscure convention character that didn't have any sexual depiction in fiction

>>90411461
A kamikaze bride from me, Dr. Evil.

>>90463257
Every hardcore fan moved to /toy/ but I'm into TF for the comics, not the toys. God I miss old /tfg/.

>>90472704
There's little to talk about, more newfags who think this is /b/ than oldfags, and current state of both comics and shows is basically shitpost canon. It's not coming back.

>>90472833
Thanks be.

>>90412244
I like how IDW drew all the Torchbearers a lot curvier than their actual blocky toys.

Yet, if you say a female toy doesn't look feminine enough, people shriek their heads off.

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>>90402518

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>>90411461
>>90418626
Legends fembots, hell yea anon!!

>>90474425

That issue was super cute

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>>90473362

The people who want curvy fembots actually want something like pic related, not just implied femininity like how most IDW fembots are. Not to mention that a fembot lacking lipstick to them is SJW PROPAGANDA REEEEEEEEE

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>>90474425
>>90474467
I really want takara to put out a collection of all there legends comics

>>90469369
I'm really happy we got more diverse art in IDW now. Even earlier, Su, Guidi and Roche were fresh feasts to the eyes after years of puffy Liefeldian robutts.

>>90474505
Projecting much?

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>>90474573
Oh, for sure anon. That would be nice. Like all of them, from the black & white online comics to the packed in toy ones.

Plus the Unite Warriors' are the some comfy G1 art

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>>90474688
So much G1 callbacks in these arts

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>>90474732
>Dat ex-Constructicon EU lore

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>>90474573
You know, I wished Hasbro learn from Legends and put mostly standalone stories in their comic pack-ins, showing whatever crazy adventures the toy character has and even better, use their bio and specs and flesh out the character.
That'd be really nice.

>>90474743
>Hasbro
>learn
Yeah, that'll be the day.

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>>90474688
>Incorporating all of Megatron's G1 side manga/toys lore

>>90474573
Oh. So the picture of Megaron with the hat comes from here.

The comic looks fun as hell. BW Megatron is ridicolous funny and he isn't the best part.

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>>90474743
>>90474774
Hayato Sakamoto really loves the lore and toys of transformers. So he has fun connecting all the craziness.
>Jetfire and Not-Jetfire

>>90474812
it really is a fun read. I know a member of either seibertron or TFW2005 has translated a bunch of them.

>>90474893
Even better
>Jetfire and Jetfire's #1 fanboy

>>90474920
Seems more relaxed and casuals with the "everyday" attitude that IDW forced "act as casual".

>>90475045
Hey now, the holiday specials were alright
Plus, IDW comics are usually plot heavy, while Legends are mostly light one-shots.
That being said, I don't mind more stuff like Legends or that Mars Attack crossover for TF. Doesn't have to be tied with any continuity, just fun TF doing fun TF things that happens occasionally.

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>>90474893
and he loves him his fembots

>>90475489
Well, don't we all?

>>90475664

Not really, a lot of people get triggered by the mere mention that fembots exists.

It ruins their all gay fetish race or their all MANLY MEN DOING MANLY THING LIKE WAAAAAR fetish.

>>90413366
Gonna need the uncensored version here.

>>90475664
No.

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>>90444992
I didn't think it was possible, but Roberts' big payoffs are even bigger wet farts than Bendis's. It's impressive actually.

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>>90459250

2/3rds there. Animated is garbage, don't bother with it unless you're one of those people who like Steven Universe or Star vs. whatever the fuck it's called.

>>90474670
That person seems to be correct though. There are complaints whenever a female shows up on how they are depicted. Lipstick alone is massively divisive, as well as where it falls in the "metal human- bunch of boxes" spectrum.

>>90477077
Complaints from either side of course.
>Not feminine? Fucking feminists!
>Feminine? Fucking sexist pigs!
>More uniform? Boring!
>More diverse? Ugly!
Fembots can't catch a break.

>>90477515
This is why male only was better. You can do whatever you want.

>>90477570
of course, more macho-build bots give fanboys their power fantasy and fangirls their wet dreams.
i mean did anybody complain when they give megatron his "hair-chest" engraving?

>>90477690
No, because it resembled part of his alternate mode.

>>90477690
>i mean did anybody complain when they give megatron his "hair-chest" engraving?

Literally everyone because NOT IN MUH GEEWUN CARTOOOOON!!!!!

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>>90477515
I was thinking about that the other day... I've gotten way more used to accepting blocky femmebots, or even redecos of male robot designs repurposed as femmebots, but I feel I'm a regressive, sexist piece of shit in other respects cuz if they're not gonna have feminine design cues, I think they should at least have feminine colors, even if just as detailing... like I can't not imagine AoE Slug as female because of the color scheme, but that's really not fair cuz there are a SHIT-TON of purple, pastel and even hot pink colored dude-bots, especially from the late 80s.

It's a no win escalating argument, really.
>Okay, we designed this femmebot not to have any shapely, womanly bits, nor any stereotypically "girly" colors, no soft lips or eyes, just a visor and mouthplate, the only way you can even tell it's female is when she speaks.
>OH, SO I GUESS ALL WOMEN SOUND ALIKE HUH?!

TL,DR: it's a cartoon/toy line for dumb, tiny kids, so female characters need at least one recognizably female element to them, whether it's an implied titshelf like Strongarm, a distinctly female voice like Quickshadow, or just a liberal coat of purple paint like Strika.

>>90477767
>Literally everyone because NOT IN MUH GEEWUN CARTOOOOON!!!!!
It's from muh GEEWUN toy tho, so...

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>>90477767
And his old toy had that swirls.
In some cases though I agree, G1 cartoon/comic > G1 toy like the Decepticon Targetmasters. Triggerhappy looks cooler with faceplate than visored face and I'm glad TR acknowledged that.
Speaking of TR and Targetmasters, guess who else are coming.
Pink helmet and not IDW face, for shame.
Also, where's my boy Fulcrum.

>>90474732
>>90474688

Kind of unrelated, but Unite Warriors Bruticus or UW Computron? Which do you think anon?

>>90477980
Krok and Misfire both getting toys... when's gon be Spinister's turn?

>>90478077
SOONish

>>90478075

UW Bruticus is a mess of QC issues and a (subjuctively) worse color scheme as the cartoon Bruticus had a shit color scheme. UW Computron doesn't have the QC issues AND the only bad part of his color scheme is they didn't go with a more orange color for the bike dude.

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>>90477927
>I've gotten way more used to accepting blocky femmebots, or even redecos of male robot designs repurposed as femmebots

I admire that, this Nautica still depresses me.

>>90478462
Part of that is how it doesn't match the look of the character based on.

>>90478130

Would you recommend Computicon/Computron? And not the Bruticus?

>>90478462
>>90478567
Yeah it might help if the fans were in the right place and the head actually looked like the character.

Like, obviously the fan placement is just a thing that couldn't be feasibly avoided, but why fuck up the face? It's a new face piece anyway!

>>90478769

Yeah, UW Computron is worth it over the Hasbro version because it's just better in every way. Only get the Hasbro one if you're strapped for cash. I'd try and get Hasbro Bruticus if you don't mind Blastoff being a jet, because the UW has the crap cartoon color scheme and QC issues out the ass.

>>90478827

Thanks toy-anon.

>>90480338

No problem. I'm pretty heavy into both /toy/ and /co/ so I try to keep track of both sides.

>>90481820

Yeah. I love the toys but I only shop infrequently so I'm always behind. Looking at the UW and TF legends stuff now

>>90481965

Well we're pretty deep into the Titans Return stuff now, most people are waiting for Wave 4 to come out already. Takara's really behind on releases, but given they're putting out MP's that probably takes priority over slapping paint on kids toys.

Next issues when?

So hey, Misfire is getting a toy.

Halfway there to getting all the Scavengers.

>>90484276
Annual's out this Wednesday.

>>90484541

The only hard part is going to be finding most of these. The repaint guys (like Krok) tend to be shortpacked for the guys people actually want.

Also they're having more G1-stylizations than IDW ones currently. Which is funny since Chromedome totally has an IDW head.

>>90484659
Isn't the TFvGIJoe "movie adaptation" out this week too?

>>90484718
Nope.

>>90484709
>The only hard part is going to be finding most of these
A-fucking-men. Be nice if online shops would put up preorders.

>>90484791

To be fair, them shortpacking the repaints is a reaction to them NOT shortpacking them the last few times. People bitched, because the popular characters were hard to get. Hasbro learned, so now we're getting 2 Kups 1 Krok, etc. in every box.

>>90484709

Tell me about it.

Took two months for my Wal Mart to restock, and what do you fill the pegs with? WAVE ONE. AGAIN.

>>90484923

Buy online. It's the only sensible way.

>>90484953

Thats becoming abundantly clear.

But the thrill of the chase...

>>90484953
>Buy online.
>goes to BBTS and/or TFSource for wave 4 preorders
>a lonesome cricket chirps
Thanks, Walmart.

>>90485031

And we're still waiting on which IDW issues?

>>90485073
Ones by a good writer.

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>>90477767
>>i mean did anybody complain when they give megatron his "hair-chest" engraving?
>Literally everyone because NOT IN MUH GEEWUN CARTOOOOON!!!!!

Bullshit. Never heard a peep from anywhere complaining about it.

>>90484923
Walmart sells comics?

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>>90464229
>But wasn't actually IN the show or any sort of official media release, and is thus non-canon.


If the creators say it, then it's canon. We have documentation to prove they said it. Creator's thoughts are always relevant.

Yet you think you know better? Where are YOUR writing credentials for the show, or ANY piece of officially licensed TF fiction?

No need to answer. I know you don't have any credentials. You're yet another fan who thinks he knows better than the creators

>>90485870
>the "Let's see your writing" argument
Hey, bingo!

>>90485827
I saw a fair few people on /toy/ complaining about it a while back, but they shut up when they were informed it came from the G1 toy and not IDW. Still not literally everyone, though.

>>90485959
>/toy/ complaining
When have they NOT complained about something.

>>90486003
To be fair, at least 1/3 of /tfg//toy/ complaints are just shitposting instead of reflecting actual beliefs.

>>90486003
When that happens, we'll let you know.

>>90467878
>>90468049

Im sorry, could you repeat that? All I could hear was a high pitched whine.

>>90485870
>If the creators say it, then it's canon.
Haha, no. If HASBRO says it, it's canon. It's their property, and they approve what counts and what doesn't. They approved the episode scripts, they didn't approve unofficial statements after the fact.

It's the exact same reason why Shattered Glass Sari wasn't canon until she was included in offical media, despite her design being independently released by DJW beforehand.

>>90467878
>>90468049


Im so sorry that Furman did all this as a deliberate, fully personal attempt to wrong you.


Oh wait, no I'm not. Cry moar faggot.

I think /toy/ is leaking again.

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>>90486071
speaking of those independent posts, imagine if this was canon

>>90469283

It's fine. Don't listen to fans. It's always been much, much easier to tear down than create.

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>>90469428
>Are you fucking blind?

>>90486349
I don't know what this in reference to.

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>>90469428
>>90469385
A lot of people who got into DW when it started were not artist themselves or gave a damn about accuracy. All that matter at the time was kick ass alien robots wrecking shit.

>>90486418
It is a white male angry at a white male despite being the same kind of people.

>>90486469
>>90486488
Alright then I don't understand the logic behind the image response. The art is clearly terrible.

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>>90486553
The accuracy is terrible. The art itself is ok. It's not everyone's cup of tea but it wasn't so horribly bad enough to prevent The Hub from using it for their channel bumps.

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>>90486696
Prime has a fucking extra wheel on one side of his truck mode, the rear wheels are sticking out from the frame past the width of the front wheels, and the truck itself is blobby, uncentered, and unaligned everywhere.

>This art was so awesome they zoomed up on it across three panels.

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>>90486833
Dude. Like I said. The accuracy is terrible. The art itself is ok. Kids at the time do not care about minor things like that. All they see is BIG ALIEN ROBOTS WRECKING SHIT.

>>90487264
>The art itself is ok.
It very clearly isn't. 1/10, for both the art and your trolling.

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>>90486833
Pretty sure an extra wheel can't beat how horrendous the annual was.

>>90487299
Just being reasonable. You should try it.

>>90487299
The art conveys what characters are there and what they are doing. Good enough to establish what it needs to.

>>90487346
I think extra wheel and everything else does.
Either way, one doesn't cancel out the other. IDW wins out over with having a general decent nonsuck/suck art ratio.

All this DW talk makes me wish they kept the Sunstorm plot going into IDW. I freaking loved it.

>>90487425
see >>90469428 pic

>>90487264
>Kids at the time do not care about minor things like that
Shut the fuck up you know-nothing, those comics were explicitly fucking aimed at 80s kids who had just turned into 20somethings with disposable income. You might be able to argue that "it's for kids so it's ok" shit with the Armada/Energon comic, but not that. And besides, kids don't deserve that shit either.

>>90487528
Seriously? Dull surprises? When I first read this issue the first thing that drew my attention was all the destruction going on.

>>90487628
Woah. Got your nerve got tingled.

>>90487264
>Kids at the time do not care about minor things like that.
I would have. You don't speak for everyone.