>Cartoon does anything beyond total innocence
>"How did they get away with this?!"
>"See? Cartoons aren't just kids' stuff!"
People are insecure as fuck who are desperate to try and validate their children's cartoons. If you like a cartoon, just own up and like it, you don't need to justify it unless you're afraid of being judged about it.
This goes for anyone who tries to "justify" watching Adventure Time, old Powerpuff Girls, Steven Universe, My Little Pony, Gravity Falls, Avatar, Disney-Pixar films, How to Train Your Dragon, and fucking whatever. You'll seem more confident if you just admit to liking shit because who cares if someone laughs, laugh aggressively in their face back, idiot.
>it wasn't hard to get bruce's dna. He left it all over town.
Vulgar language is the only time I'm surprised. Like when I heard "hell" in Ratatoullie and Cloudy Meatballs, because those are almost always censored. But those were feature films, I don't think I've ever heard hell in a TV cartoon in decades (Or possibly ever). You could almost count all the instances of a cartoon saying a curse word on one hand. I only vaguely remember Ren & Stimpy getting away with saying "crap".
Think dirty. Implication that bats loved to have fun with the ladies all over town.
This is the most annoying out of them all. Some people have a tiny bit of creativeness and makes some silly jokes, and then everybody thinks they must have been drink while high, and on all the other shit at the same time.
It's not based on sex, or violence, so it gets a pass. No one cares if it could psychologically scar a character unless it's them seeing tits and dicks, or them getting physically hurt.
>this nigga didn't grow up with 4kids and others censoring guns and any mention of death from cartoons
>for an American broadcast
shit was insultingly condescending.
I thought she meant he "marked" his territory all over town lol.
/co/ can be pretty guilty of that sometimes
>99% of a show of a show is completely for kids in every way possible
>makes one adult joke
>WHOA THIS IS FOR ADULTS TOO!!
I actually forgot that that was a part of DCAU. Still not as bad in my opinion. And besides, that's a movie so it's not really the same. See >>82532141
Though of cause I have no idea if the anime used is from a movie or not.
>Daffy straight up murders a guy
Holy shit it's so abrupt.
>one instance of poorly drawn fanservice
>people start jizzing themselves
>2011 was one bloody heck of a year.
Tell me about it. That entire year was a primary example of this board's immaturity.
>protagonists use lethal force
>"Wow, this show is dark!"
Why can /co/ not accept that anime can get away with a lot more? It's not like that means cartoons are for shit or something, people just view them as being for children so they can't get near some of the shit anime does.
Oh sure anime shows violence and they're weirdos but if someone in England complains about Watership Down you'll go "Oh they're just being pansies, KIDS THESE DAYS NEED TO SEE THIS".
You can't have it both ways.
when it comes from one extreme in a country to another countries extreme you do have it both ways. Because the limitation for another country is not the same standard for every country. For instance, their age of consent is 13.
To some countries that's pretty fucked up.
I think everyone here accepts anime can get away with a lot more. America and western culture in particular is much more prude and conservative when it comes to sexuality and violence.
>who cares if someone laughs, laugh aggressively in their face back, idiot.
"oh my god do you watch children cartoons? That- that's pretty fucking funny dude."
"Pffft oh god what the fuck was that? Are you okay? Jesus Christ this guy is a fucking riot! Are you autistic?"
>I think everyone here accepts anime can get away with a lot more.
Japanese creators are generally just given more creative independence because they have a much bigger market with many niches to exploit.
In America there's like 3 demographics for cartoons:
>Little babies exclusively
The bottom two sometimes blend together too. You have to hit it off with one of those demos or your shit gets canceled.
It's more than just demographics, Japanese society in general is more open to things that would be considered weird or offensive in the west, just watch some Japanese shows or video games
This kind of things would never fly over here. Even if cartoons dealt with the same demographics as anime it wouldn't be the same.
Bleach, One Piece, Zatch Bell, and Fairy Tail are all for kids, yes.
True enough, though the emotions are more important than sensors.
I wouldn't call this adult, just needlessly cruel in a way where I don't get the point of it. I assume to feel bad for the child, but the instant sudoku seems more humorous than sad.
Wow, almost like they're bigger perverts than we are. Is bleach even supposed to be a kids show?
Again, perversion. This seems to be played out as humor/fanservice/both, when LoK is playing it as just romantic.
Even if they are kids shows, a difference in what cultures think kids should see doesn't make one or the other superior, and shooting American shows down because the animes did it "better" is silly
>Wow, I can't believe this toy doll comes with a machete
>fufufufu, that's nothing, in Japan they come with Katanas and grenades!
Because even getting past the mental barrier of differences in censorship, they don't seem like shows that are made for kids. I'm sure kids watch them, but they don't strike me as the target demographic.
I was impressed that a little girls' show with a shoestring budget tackled racism this hard.
That show can be fucking deep sometimes. I never though I'd cry to a girl's show like I did when I watched this episode.
Validation. People need to show everyone else that they aren't watching something made for a different age group.
If you like something and it isn't hurting anyone else, then enjoy it. I like Kamen Rider, Ultraman, and Sentai, and my friends always gave me shit for it, but that never stopped me from enjoying it. Everyone likes something that someone else doesn't.
>Why do movies get so much more leeway
Movies usually make some effort not only to entertain the kids, but also the parents that are bringing the kids to see it. Make it semi enjoyable for them and they'll suggest other parents take their kids. If it's a complete chore to sit through, then they'll suggest to other parents that they take their kids to see something else. Execs want that positive word of mouth, but are a little more wary of outright adult oriented animation, which they don't think has as large an audience.
TV, on the other hand, is more likely to be watched by unsupervised youth. It doesn't need to appeal to adults. In fact, it doesn't really need to because jokes that go over the kids' heads are pretty much useless. The less childish stuff you see are the remaining shreds of dignity and love for animation that the folks making it were able to get past execs who are more interested in squeezing more money out of advertisers than anything else.
But TV animation for adults has really grown since the Simpsons, and now you don't need to twist an exec's arm nearly as much when trying to pitch an adult oriented animated comedy, even in a proposed prime time spot. Action/drama/romance/etc? Still risky.
>Again, perversion. This seems to be played out as humor/fanservice/both, when LoK is playing it as just romantic.
Yeah, anime has never had romantic yuri before. It's unheard of!
>when LoK is playing it as just romantic.
Oh you're just adorable.
>Japan is so open and amazing because they show boobs in their cartoons, unlike stupid America that is all prudish and backwards thinking
Can people stop doing this? It's like they're completely unaware that Japan has its own social taboos that keep them from showing and doing things as well that would make them seem close minded from a western perspective. Their censored porn, for example.
The target audiences aren't different. The entire point is that in the west some "meh" stuff appears in cartoons and people go "Wow that's for adults! I'm mature!" while Japan has always done it all the time.
Except with smoking.
On a related note, I can't stand when people like to describe something in a cartoon in the edgiest way possible.
So pretty much everything on this page:
I'm not sure if you realize this, but most anime is considered to be for children, too. Yes, even in Japan. And the adults who like anime are considered in their homeland to be massive manchildren, much like anyone who watches cartoons in the west.
Manga, on the other hand, is more of a general-purpose medium.
Go back to /a/, faggots. We don't want your kind here.
>so subtle it isn't even funny
>video is labeled "not so subtle joke"
I think you're just an idiot anon, there's absolutely no way to interpret the "I don't think so" line other than the intended meaning behind the joke. The only subtlety is that there was pretty much no way kids watching it would get it.
>/co/ poster makes an image showing how /co/ overreacts over mild things being shown in cartoons
>uses anime as an example, showing that cartoons have always had those things /co/ overreacts about and apparently wants to watch, but they are non-western
>"go back to /a/ you weeabo faggot"
Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
/a/non here. I might recreate these with better screenshots. Whoever made these shit is most likely a fucking casual since most of those images come from entry level anime garbage
My favorite thing about 4Kids censorship was when they started calling "bombs" in pokemon "Blaster Balls".
Why is Japan so superior to every other country in the world? Maybe nuke radiation is actually a good thing?
Notice the point of this thread though, it may not be a direct parallel but the idea is the reaction to a swear weighed against something far more serious and yet treated mundanely.
>since most of those images come from entry level anime garbage
Yes, that's the point. So are the western examples.
Anyway, the thing about Japan is that when they disagree with something on a moral level, they don't make this huge outcry or turn it into a big crusade. So networks are willing to let things through because they're not as afraid of angry stay-at-home moms waging social media wars, and people don't get stuck in a feedback loop where they think that they're supposed to get upset.
And yet, a lot of them probably wouldn't have gotten the chance had 4kids not proved there's a market for it. It's the old Robotech paradox again.
Fuck, do any cartoons nowadays show proper killing? E.g. being shot, stabbed, slashed. Only one I can think of is The Clone Wars.
>to incredibly benign things.
Aimed at different demographics. most of the shit on daytime CN/nick has to okay for kids from around 7 years old and up while most of the shonen battle anime that were posted here are aimed at shithead 13-14 year old boys.
Japan tends to have less stupid restrictions on kid's media but you're not going to see two women rubbing their massive tits together on something like digimon.
The comparison is being made because they're both aimed at the same age group, but in one case people lose their shit and in another no one bats an eye.
If you don't think people treating Asami's 1920s swimsuit as shockingly lewd is absurd, then you're probably one of them.
OP here. I made this thread because I can't stand how insecure so many people on this board are.
There is literally nothing wrong with watching children's shows. Claiming that they're anything but just screams how uncomfortable you are with that idea.
Whatever, man. Whatever.
Yeah, man. In fact, that's the feeling I get from all those screenshots posted earlier. In that case it'd be anime fans trying to show how superior their media is because whatever.
Remember when Nappa blew up a city but luckily everybody in the city evacuated in like 3 seconds?
I watched that TMNT recently and it was weird. Characters could be shown dying through gun shots, lasers, explosions, decomposition, and high falls, but getting stabbed or eaten was shown off screen. Yet, when people *did* get stabbed or eaten, they still had gore-y sound effects.
Why did 4kids try so hard to censor their anime but not their own show?
There was the canadian yak's men song in R&S in which the word "hell" was censored, but it was so obvious what it was supposed to be, and you you could even see it in the sing-along subtitles, since it was just crossed over. In the same episode you can also see a dimembered intestine and an eyeball, with a little bit of blood. That was also the last episode under John K's directing, so he probably did it because he had nothing to lose.
That's only true when you're talking about animation. The sexual and violent content in live action Western media is often very extreme (e.g. graphic rape and torture scenes), even on television. Japanese TV has much more strict broadcast standards. The kind of shit you see in HBO shows would never fly there.
Most anime in Japan is now late night anime, i.e. not aimed at children at all, and I'm not sure if there's ever been as much of a stigma against adult anime in Japan as Westerners keep claiming there is. I've never seen any evidence for it.
>and I'm not sure if there's ever been as much of a stigma against adult anime in Japan as Westerners keep claiming there is. I've never seen any evidence for it.
It was probably truer in the past. These days you hear a lot of talk of otaku pandering, coinciding with the popularization of moe.
i remember a lot of steven universe fans from here got mad cause I think Ian said on his twitter that the target audience was 9-12 or something.
Then they reply with
>but kids that age wouldn't understand all the references for adults!
>kids wouldnt understand their messages they're trying to give!
What's the most mature form of media, anyway? /tv/?
>i'm not an outcast because i'm a faggot, i'm an outcast because I like cartoons!
Nobody gives a fuck about your hobbies unless your hobby is raping children or some weird fucking shit like that. If everyone doesn't like you, it usually has nothing to do with your hobbies and everything to do with you being unlikeable.
bruce timm did an image summarising things they werent allowed to put in btas
He did it just as much as comic Bruce does, which is to say that both of them APPEAR to get drunk at parties with a girl on each arm a lot, but he never actually fucks those chicks.
Because /CO/ is full of pussies
Anything that isn't a preschooler show is too edgy for these flubbering fannies, thats the only explaination
>Why did 4kids try so hard to censor their anime but not their own show?
4Kids started bringing over anime at a point in time when anime had a really bad reputation for being needlessly violent and sexual. This is partly what inspired the switch from calling "Japanimation" to calling it "Anime". "Japanimation" had a bad reputation, but "Anime" was something "New and different."
They had a heavy hand in censorship because they wanted to dodge ANY controversy and appeal to the broadest range of children possible.
Yeah yeah yeah. People always have this kind of flabbergasted reaction, like "what the fuck is this crazy nigger saying," but then at the end they realize they can't actually demonstrate that pandering exists. They just "know" it exists and they "know" that this or that anime is pandering, but then they can't actually prove it in any way.
Well what kind of proof would you require? It's more of a common sense assumption that a lot of the animators who work on these shows are otaku, so naturally they would make things which appeal to their own sensibilities.
If the creators are themselves otaku and making something they themselves enjoy then they are not pandering.
That does not prove pandering exists. Have you actually thought about this for longer than five seconds?
>Playing MLP on your phone is more acceptable than playing Metal Gear Solid 3 on your 3DS
Aren't you refering to 'zamii070'?
Anime panders to otaku all the time, but comics and movies does the same, just differently. In the West it's more about making muh strong female characters and so on.
You're right. There's also propaganda anime to convince Japs to marry and reproduce.
The studio in question has basically never produced any anime, and he was simply incorrect anyway given that there were plenty of other studios making "non-otaku" anime. He was also only speaking on his only behalf, and was immediately contradicted by an animator saying that he likes cute girls and drawing them.
>and was immediately contradicted by an animator saying that he likes cute girls and drawing them.
The point of the image is that animator was an otaku, too. I'm sure he loves drawing but you're completely missing the point. I don't mind fanservice but a shit-ton of the anime they produce is all for otaku so they can buy the expensive BDs and figures and so on. The fact it's so isolated to Japan isn't just because it's so expensive, it's because only otaku would spend so much money on it. Buying manga for example is cheap and that's why those stories are much more varied and are literally about anything. They cost nothing to produce.
How does any of this prove the existence or prevalence of pandering?
>Buying manga for example is cheap and that's why those stories are much more varied and are literally about anything.
The same holds true for anime.
>How does any of this prove the existence or prevalence of pandering?
It's obvious so it doesn't need to be said.
>The same holds true for anime.
Nope. Again, panders all the time and animation isn't fucking cheap which was my point.
No. Because I'm not saying it for the sake of, "Wow this makes no sense haha it's so out there!!!" I'm saying it because it has the same kind of faux-philosophical up-its-own-ass navelgazing and abstractions where people mistake high for high-minded. Mostly talking about Xylophone here.
>duuude what if a comet got reincarnated as a butterfly, and then the butterfly was reincarnated as a legendary heroine BUT THAT WAS FINN
It doesn't help that Pen is baked as hell in half of the appearances I've seen him.
>It's obvious so it doesn't need to be said.
Yeah, it always is. People can't actually come up with any evidence, they just say it's "obvious" because "everyone knows" that anime panders to otaku.
Why do you think it isn't true? Because "obviously" it isn't. "Everyone knows" it isn't. No need to even check.
"Serious," non-stereotypical shows like Joker Game, Death Parade, Concrete Revolutio, Shouwa Genroku, Erased, Ping Pong, Sakurako-san, Zankyou no Terror and Perfect Insider air all the time. Along with sports shows (e.g. Baby Steps), action shows (Kabaneri), mecha shows (Kuromukuro), ordinary comedies (Kyoukai no Rinne), and so on. And almost nobody in the West ever watches them. Almost nobody knows they exist. Because almost nobody in the West watches anime to any significant degree, they just talk about it as if they did.
Try watching more anime.
>Try watching more anime.
Hah! That's like saying there's great fan fiction. Contradiction, senpai. Besides, I like some anime but they have to be OVA or movies and no otaku shit.
>Yeah, it always is. People can't actually come up with any evidence
Because it's like arguing with idiots who don't know anything. If you honestly to god don't think companies pander then I don't know what to tell you. It's a business and they'll do anything to make a profit.
>And almost nobody in the West ever watches them. Almost nobody knows they exist.
Well, we are on 4chan, so.
Sort of not really. More suicidally reckless to where she didn't really care if she died, because she was sad her only friend left her.
Trixie's new assistant and only friend ran off on her, but she still marched into a famously suicidal Houdini-ish stunt that no one had ever been able to repeat, despite her friend being literally her entire plan for surviving it.
>Hah! That's like saying there's great fan fiction. Contradiction, senpai.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
>I like some anime but they have to be OVA or movies and no otaku shit.
"Otaku shit" is a category you've made up. It's not real.
>Because it's like arguing with idiots who don't know anything. If you honestly to god don't think companies pander then I don't know what to tell you. It's a business and they'll do anything to make a profit.
You have no proof. Nobody has any proof.
This whole idea of pandering is based on a misconception of how things work in Japan. People assume that fans and creators are different groups of people in Japan, which is completely false.
Cartoons from our time where a lot worse, yes, but our parents didn't have a nice cozy anonymous place where to safely discuss how secretly "perverted" they were for actually seeing it.
>You have no proof. Nobody has any proof.
Uh huh. And what proofs do you have that it isn't?
>This whole idea of pandering is based on a misconception of how things work in Japan.
I know how things work in Japan.That still doesn't change it's all for otaku. You think blockbusters aren't made to be as average as possible so they can make as much money as possible?
>Uh huh. And what proofs do you have that it isn't?
The burden of proof is on you.
>I know how things work in Japan.
You clearly do not. As I just said, fans and creators are not separate groups of people in Japan.
>That still doesn't change it's all for otaku.
You've already indicated that you don't know anything about anime and this just shows it even more.
"Otaku" is a somewhat nebulous and frequently misunderstood concept anyway. You may think you know exactly what you're talking about when you say something is for "otaku," but you actually don't. Those OVAs you've watched were almost certainly made by and for otaku, and you didn't even realize it.
>You think blockbusters aren't made to be as average as possible so they can make as much money as possible?
We aren't talking about blockbusters. Late night anime is for niche audiences.
This whole argument seems like a miscommunication of semantics. When people say pander they probably mean 'cater to' half the time because they don't appreciate the difference in meaning.
>"Otaku shit" is a category you've made up. It's not real.
He's talking about obvious weeb bait. You know, moeshit. The kind of stuff you'd see plastered all over Akiba and preserved in PVC figurines. The kind of stuff where they censor the raunchy bits for the BD because they know it'll get otaku to buy a show they've already seen.
People look at you like you're dumb because "otaku pandering" is as obvious a statement as "sex sells," since that is exactly what's happening. They're just playing to Japanese hikikomori tastes specifically.
>That still doesn't change it's all for otaku
m8 no one said that. We're not saying Hayao "Feed an Otaku a Glocku" Miyazaki is targeting shut-ins; just that it's prevalent, and it's gotten more prevalent with the uptick in moeshittery and waifufaggotry of this decade.
>nuh uh you're wrong you clearly don't know anything
>"Otaku" is a somewhat nebulous and frequently misunderstood concept anyway.
Oh sweet jusus baby mama
>Those OVAs you've watched were almost certainly made by and for otaku, and you didn't even realize it.
Yeah, because it's rocket science. I am completely incapable of knowing what otaku are and what kind of otaku anime they watch. I need to be weeb master race to know such things です
>He's talking about obvious weeb bait. You know, moeshit.
Otaku and weeaboos are two different groups of people, and absolutely different when talking about Japanese otaku. Weeaboos aren't even a target audience anyway.
"Moeshit" is not a real thing either, and moe-type anime is not aimed at or particularly appealing to weeaboos, it's aimed at otaku.
>The kind of stuff where they censor the raunchy bits for the BD because they know it'll get otaku to buy a show they've already seen.
Moe-type anime has zero or very little "fanservice," and nipples are censored because Japanese television requires them to be censored.
>People look at you like you're dumb because "otaku pandering" is as obvious a statement as "sex sells," since that is exactly what's happening.
You have no proof that it exists, and you don't even know what you're talking about in general as demonstrated by your continuous factual errors.
>nuh uh you're wrong you clearly don't know anything
Well you are, and you don't.
>Oh sweet jusus baby mama
Well if you don't believe me then you can go buy the book Debating Otaku in Contemporary Japan.
>I am completely incapable of knowing what otaku are and what kind of otaku anime they watch.
You clearly are.
>Otaku and weeaboos are two different groups of people
Dude I was being glib. Are you really going to pick that apart? I'm aware of the subtle difference between "hardcore anime fans" and wapanese Ken-sama types if you're going to throw an anime fandom dictionary at me.
>Moe-type anime has zero or very little "fanservice,"
Yeah, that's why I bundled them together with "waifufaggotry," rather than expecting "moeshit" to cover the whole of it. And as for your BD point, you're forgetting the many instances where steam, camera angles, etc. obscured literally nothing of value, and it really was just to bait people into buying the BDs.
Yes, it turns out that sometimes you need to read books to understand complicated topics like the culture and subculture of a foreign country. Did I just blow your millennial Wikipedia-addled mind?
>Dude I was being glib.
>Yeah, that's why I bundled them together with "waifufaggotry," rather than expecting "moeshit" to cover the whole of it.
In that reply you only mentioned "moeshit," and "waifufaggotry" essentially is just another way of saying moe anyway.
>And as for your BD point, you're forgetting the many instances where steam, camera angles, etc. obscured literally nothing of value, and it really was just to bait people into buying the BDs.
When the characters are naked they need to obscure their nipples and genitalia regardless of whether they intend to show the nipples on the BDs. Not all shows feature bare nipples because it doesn't fit all the shows, so the BDs will remain censored too. It has nothing to do with baiting (which is also not a real thing).
>Yes, it turns out that sometimes you need to read books to understand complicated topics like the culture and subculture of a foreign country.
Too bad we're not talking about that, then. Just anime and otaku.
>and "waifufaggotry" essentially is just another way of saying moe anyway.
No, that's retarded. I would consider Precure moe, as opposed to some fanservice-laden harem anime like Monster Musume (which I would put in the waifu camp).
If you're so eager to demonstrate your Vast Knowledge of the Elder Anime Gods that you're going to cling that hard to split hairs, I'm not sure there's anything I can say to convince you. Ah well. Internet arguments, I guess.
speaks volumes about the shitty state of cartoons really.
>show plans a plot for more than 3 episodes in advance
>"oh my god this lore is so deep the new age of cartoons, Sugar is the new [previous /co/ icon or whatever]"
I mean I like SU, it's just that it does things that SHOULD be basic storytelling 101
Moe is a feeling of love, affection and excitement towards anime/etc. characters. Someone who really likes a character could consider her his "waifu."
Anime is a unique half a century old artform comprising thousands of shows, movies and OVAs and is preceded by another half a century of animation. It's very closely tied to manga, an even older and larger artform. It also has close ties with light novels, visual novels and other video games, and music, and their respective industries. It's a product of Japanese culture, society, history and language, and otaku subculture. It has its own animation, production and industrial practises, character and story conventions, and worldview, and so on.
Otaku culture has been a very contested topic in and outside Japan that's been subject to fairly significant academic interest and societal attention. The topic has its own history (or histories) and literature.
A foreigner starts with zero knowledge of all of these things and has to learn about all of them and how they relate to each other.
Well, you say "the shitty state of cartoons" so I assumed there was some kind of temporal reference here. Just an observation either way. Though I think you're underselling the relationship between quality and legacy; no one looks back fondly on Squirrel Boy or Super Duper Sumos.
You're a very literal-minded person, aren't you. This is a forum for Malaysian kinography, not a peer-reviewed journal. Be a little more adaptable, you know? I mean, kids say "hot" when they mean "cool" -- it's a madhouse.
Though I agree that otaku culture is a pretty nuanced thing, and anime and manga are tied irrevocably into the underlying society. It would be silly to argue otherwise.
>Anime is a unique half a century old artform comprising thousands of shows, movies and OVAs and is preceded by another half a century of animation
Movies is old too but it's all the same shit, senpai. Most of them boil down to "the heroes win" and "the guy gets the girl."
>It's a product of Japanese culture, society, history and language, and otaku subculture. It has its own animation, production and industrial practises, character and story conventions, and worldview, and so on.
You mean underpaid animators, pandering to otaku, and unique character and story conventions? What? Like "onii-chan let me suck your dick!"? Because it's not complicated at all.
>Otaku culture has been a very contested topic in and outside Japan that's been subject to fairly significant academic interest and societal attention.
Nobody cares about otaku. Even the Japanese don't care about otaku. They just leave 'em alone.
>A foreigner starts with zero knowledge of all of these things and has to learn about all of them and how they relate to each other.
Oh, get over yourself, man.
pomf means please sexually harass me. It's Japanese and it means love.
>cartoon has any semblance of continuity or natural world-building
>"MAN, THIS SHOW HAS SOME DEEP LORE!"
>playing Metal Gear on a 3DS
>not something good like Gradius collection on the PSP
or suicides and mercy-killing for that matter?
>it's "/co/ get tsundere for Nippon again." episode.
Anime is too dumb and complicated for me. It's also just too out there. I don't understand half of the animes I've tried to start. I'd prefer my cartoon characters just doing dumb and retarded shit over
>MUH DEEP LORE
>MUH EDGY BLOODY VIOLENCE
>CUTE CHARACTERS BEING OBNOXIOUS
It's just not my thing. I don't understand why everyone thinks anime is superior to western animation. The animation is not too great to look at in most of them, the jokes are too random and forced, too many obvious cliches, etc. Maybe I'm too old to get it. I don't get it /co/. Kind of ironic I'm on an anime founded board but damn. I'd rather just stick to my Warner Bros, Animaniacs, Spongebob, Regular Show, Uncle Grandpa stuff.
What do I know though, I'm not an expert on these things.
>I don't understand why everyone thinks anime is superior to western animation
lol, that's just /co/ lore fags.
Korra (the weebiest psudo-animu ever) was supposed to save /co/, like Anakin was going to balance the force.
Explain. Did you mean furfag? If so, where did you pull that out of?
Korra just made things worse.
Meh, I like "modern Calarts garbage". It's the same thing with anime, they all look the same to me. What matters is the writing. I like the writing style of western animation more.
you never heard of funfags?
That's you, who want childish dribble and fart jokes all the time.
Your kind is outnumbered here by wannabe weebs who want DEEP LORE and morose capefags who live on chewing up 90 year old company wars.
I don't necessarily want dribble and fart jokes, just some good funny humor that isn't just throwing shit at you.
>Your kind is outnumbered here
Yeah I know
>wannabe weebs who want deep lore/console wars
They're just whiny 12 year old faggots from YouTube and Tumblr.
Nobody here thinks that anime is superior to western cartoons. But i can see why people dont like anime, if you havent get used to it. I have too much thanks to my dad so i only watch nowdays anime or read manga. I left cartoons long ago expect some old ones with i still rewatch. For western comics i havent read those either for long time, something in that japanese shit i like more but i dont know why?
Every site/board/area has some tards. That new gem show for sure introduced some tumblrites here though. Any of those new animated shows here have. I only watch Regular Show and Uncle Grandpa right now so I wouldn't know about the others and those two don't have a cancerous fan base.
/co/ would be a better board if more people from /a/ came here.
As an /a/ crossboarder, it's always amusing watching people on /co/ argue about anime.
Because it's clear that both parts have no idea what the fuck they're talking about, and they probably have watched less then 50 series between the two of them. It's basically a contest about who can shout their personal opinion the longest.
I was never used to it. They had a bunch of them on in the 80's to 00's inbetween other cartoons. I hated it. I've never been able to adjust to them. Anime always just seemed so jarring inbetween my other favorite cartoon shows. Western comics suck, it's all just capeshit and bad capeshit at that. I think whether you like American stuff or Japanese stuff depends on your upbringing/basic tastes. There's nothing wrong with liking either. I just like my cartoons. Always have.
I'm going to be honest.
I'm one of those assholes who hangs around and waits for the appropriate moment to shit on western cartoons.
Not because I hate you guys or cartoons, but because I just really hate that it's taken so long for western media to step out of its safe zone.
>less then 50 series
I've been here for years.
These faggots only watch dubbed adult swim shit like Bebop, GitS and Geass, and the pleb shit like Naurto and Bleach.
It is wasn't for hentai, they'd couldn't have seen more than a dozen.
For real, bro, /co/ is worse than /v/ by far when it come to power levels.
Regular Show is one of the best cartoons I've ever seen. I enjoy just sitting down every week to see what the characters will don. I enjoy it.
Uncle Grandpa is the best western cartoon since Animaniacs/Ren and Stimpy/Spongebob. On point likable characters, visual gags, and all of that great stuff. Don't understand why people shit on it.
Again, I'm a filthy casual viewer,. These are the only two I've watched in the past decade. I also enjoy Gravity Falls and I'm starting the lesbo rock show everyone on here shills.
In this thread alone, you can see the "All anime is fanservice otaku garbage" opinion, coupled by the always fresh "All anime is trash" one.
And let's not forget the "I have watched a whole 5 animes" expert who comes along any time the shit flinging starts to show the land of the blind how well he can see with his one eye.
>I'm starting the lesbo rock show everyone on here shills.
It's actually mostly Steven the fat wired kid and his stupid townie pals, I actually wanted lesbian Sailor Moon but was tricked hard.
You'll prolly enjoy it as much as I was tricked.
Dyke rocks is just a /co/ meme.
Call me when western media has a show as great as Space Brothers and I'll admit equality.
I feel that the over animation of many western cartoons add to their liveliness and funny tone. It's interesting to watch characters squash and stretch and other shit like that. At least to me
Good to know. Sounds like a show I'd enjoy.
I've seen some Dragon Ball on [as]. Not bad, but they all look weird as fuck. Them fucking foreheads man.
Yeah, that's for kids. It doesn't matter whether or not it implies murder, sex, or stuff like that, as long as the plot is very easy to follow and characters are easy to understand, using plenty of frequently used character archetypes and tropes/clichés. Avatar: The Last Airbender is a kids' cartoon. So is Batman: The Animated Series. So is Justice League. So is Pokémon. So is Dragon Ball Z. So is the first half of Naruto. Most American adults' cartoons are really just kids' cartoons with lots of dirty jokes and references to "adults' stuff" (like business, politics, and social issues).
>America dominates all forms of entertainment worldwide
>movies, TV, books, internet cat videos
>even 3D animation
>only thing we lose in 2D TV animation
>the only thing
>and we are only the board dedicated to the continuing loss and humiliation that is American animation
/co/ is filled with manchildren. Why? It's the "comics and cartoons" board, not the "Sequential art and animation" board. We're never gonna get a good debate on American animation (American cartoons) vs Japanese animation (anime/animu/Chinese cartoons/Mongolian trading cards), or American comics vs manga.
Star Wars: The Clone Wars has a shitload of deaths, mostly Clone Troopers, but important characters as well.
The clone deaths, though. Holy fuck they go full "WAR IS HELL!" in a lot of scenes, with whole transports full of troopers getting blown to smithereens, as the men not immediately incinerated by the blast are sucked out of the wreckage due to depressurization and left to fall to their messy demise. Or sucked out of a hull breach into the vacuum of space. Or Decapitated by lightsabers. Etc. Etc. Etc.
>that fucking anguished cry from Homura as she pulls the trigger
I don't think we'll ever see a western cartoon where a character is so relentlessly shit on by fate as Akemi Homura.
Dude, anime and western cartoon are both lolrandom, serious, and fun. They also share the same problems. I hate it when people descrminate the two and go "Hi, I only watch cartoons, anime sucks!"
Out of all the things to complain about Dragonball, you complain about the foreheads.
It absolutely is not. It handles issues in an extremely simplistic way that says everything directly to the audience, and the most "mature" themes it deals with are basic shit like "Not all people from an enemy nation are evil" and "Killing is a thing".
It's very much written for children.
>What is Iroh
A guy who spouts wisdom about as deep as a fortune cookie.
The fact that ATLA is considered one of the most mature western cartoons of all time says a LOT about how underdeveloped the medium is.
>Them fucking foreheads man.
Toriyama's got a very distinctive style, but I don't think it's terrible. Now you want to talk about fucking fiveheads, watch Code Lyoko or something.
>"It has a lot of subtle adult jokes and references to TV shows."
t. Every brony every
>Anime critics rank the highly controversial Himouto Umaru-Chan over other anime which were highly popular in courts around Europe.
UMARU, on /co/!
Japan is like women with IQ
>Stays in the middle rarely if ever going to any extremes, anything with cloths is okay but never going too far and showing genetalia
The USA/western cartoons on the other hand are more like a dude
>Goes full extremes, acts like children are the dumbest thing next to dogs while allowing full view porn.
So not only are you ignorant of anime, otaku culture and Japan, but you're also ignorant of cinema. Cinema and anime aren't the same thing anyway so I don't know why you're bringing it up.
>You mean underpaid animators, pandering to otaku
I mean all of the things I said. Animators tend to be underpaid, but what does that have to do with this? Otaku pandering is a myth and does not exist.
>And unique character and story conventions? What? Like "onii-chan let me suck your dick!"? Because it's not complicated at all.
Like a lot of things, and I never said the character and story conventions of anime are complicated. I said the topic of anime AS A WHOLE is complicated.
>Nobody cares about otaku. Even the Japanese don't care about otaku. They just leave 'em alone.
As I just told you, a lot has been written academically about otaku. Otaku and otaku culture have also been of interest to the government on Japan. In the mid 2000s there was also a very popular book/TV drama/movie about otaku called Densha Otoko which made the topic very trendy for a while.
>Oh, get over yourself, man
Huh? I was simply making a factual statement.
It's just fucking incredible how you people don't know ANYTHING about the topic but still try to argue about like this.
>mfw reading that back
I guess I know what extreme I'm in.
>I don't understand why everyone thinks anime is superior to western animation.
Better character design, animation, lighting and shading, background art, cinematography, direction, writing, music, sound and voice acting and so on. Massively more variety in genres and subjects.
By what metric is a 1940s cartoon better than, say, Haibane Renmei or Madoka Magica?
>It's the same thing with anime, they all look the same to me.
That's just because you're inexperienced.
I remember it, but it's hardly deep or mature or anything. They spell out "he lost his son, decided war was bad, and took on Zuko as a replacement" so that a 6-year-old could understand. It's nothing that would be out of place in a Disney movie.
Mufasa's death didn't make The Lion King deep or mature. It's very basic storytelling.
ATLA literally had it's characters say how they feel and why, directly to the audience. There's so much more telling than showing that it can't be called remotely mature.
>another steven tublrverse thread
>why do people hate it
oh gee why would a normal, non-pathetic human being disrespect a cartoon about gender dismorphia and promote the absolute and total tolerance of beta faggotry everywhere i just don't understand
>Look being lesbian is ok!!!!! LOL,we are soooooo deep
The difference between anime and American cartoons is the way people react to them. If /co/fags see a female cartoon character with any kind of curves at all, it's "not appropriate for kids", but if an /a/non sees a female anime character showing off her tits or ass, it's "annoying fucking cliché and unnecessary fanservice".
Anime in japan is either for children or manchildren
Theres all there is to it. The average japanese guy in the streets of tokyo or osaka has a high chance of not seeing anime """"""classics""""""""
Theyll only know omnipresent stuff like doraemon or sazaechan
It's a convinient way for people to avoid recognizing that adults also watch anime in Japan. Because they're "manchildren," so they don't count as real adults.
>Adults enjoying Anime is looked down upon there.
It's like you didn't even look at any of those links.
Love Live for example was the 8th most popular movie last year and has been used to promote a chain of family restaurants and chewing gum.
That cute and all for the people who enjoy the respective series but the mainstream still thinks theyre cringe. The only people who watch those anime movies are the die hard fans and have poor longevity in the box office. Meanwhile your ttypical dudebro marvel for flick there earns 100x more. And dude anyone can buy sponsorships/advertisement deals, whats your point?
anyway i used to think japan was a happy place where the average citiZen watched anime and read manga all day then inread many japanese blogs and 2ch. Youd be surprised that they are a lot more interested in their local baseball team/politics than whatever flavor of the month waifu /a/ jerks over
Love Live was the 8th most popular movie last year. Girls und Panzer opened in November and has been in theaters for 23 weeks or so, and will still continue screening.
>Meanwhile your ttypical dudebro marvel for flick there earns 100x more.
Nobody said that late night anime is the most popular thing in Japan.
>And dude anyone can buy sponsorships/advertisement deals, whats your point?
If late night anime is so gross and icky and only for creepy manchilren then why do companies and public entities want to associate themselves with it?
Also I forgot about these:
>Lovelive is irrelevant outside its fanbase ,like 98% of anime series.
You might as well say Marvel is irrelevant outside of its fanbase, but that doesn't mean anything when the fanbase is so enormous.
>half of those links are just sensationalist bs