>Cartoon does anything beyond total innocence >"How

>>82531692
cartoons un cartoon network are for kids

>>82531692
People are insecure as fuck who are desperate to try and validate their children's cartoons. If you like a cartoon, just own up and like it, you don't need to justify it unless you're afraid of being judged about it.

This goes for anyone who tries to "justify" watching Adventure Time, old Powerpuff Girls, Steven Universe, My Little Pony, Gravity Falls, Avatar, Disney-Pixar films, How to Train Your Dragon, and fucking whatever. You'll seem more confident if you just admit to liking shit because who cares if someone laughs, laugh aggressively in their face back, idiot.

>>82531692
People on the internet normally overreact to this kind of stuff. But I thought the "finger Prince" joke on Animaniacs was surprisingly raunchy. It legitimately surprised me.

>HOW DID THEY GET THIS PASS THE CENSORS?!!

The most annoying one.

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>it wasn't hard to get bruce's dna. He left it all over town.

>>82531830
That is a legit question half the time.

2011 was one bloody heck of a year.

>>82531830
>LOL THE CREATORS MUST HAVE BEEN ON DRUGS WHEN THEY MADE THIS XD

>>82531893
I've never seen an instance where it was.

>Woah, they said "pissed"?!
>Woah, a character died offscreen?!
>Woah, a skeleton?!

>>82531872
I just thought that meant he bled a lot

>>82531987
Vulgar language is the only time I'm surprised. Like when I heard "hell" in Ratatoullie and Cloudy Meatballs, because those are almost always censored. But those were feature films, I don't think I've ever heard hell in a TV cartoon in decades (Or possibly ever). You could almost count all the instances of a cartoon saying a curse word on one hand. I only vaguely remember Ren & Stimpy getting away with saying "crap".

>>82531872
What, did he think she ment Bruce spent all his time as Batman jerking it all over Gotham?

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>>82532015
Think dirty. Implication that bats loved to have fun with the ladies all over town.

>>82532068
Oh, and Helga said "crap" a couple of times, too.

>>82531983
This is the most annoying out of them all. Some people have a tiny bit of creativeness and makes some silly jokes, and then everybody thinks they must have been drink while high, and on all the other shit at the same time.

>>82531692
>that one scene where Amethyst turns into Rose

Seriously, how did they get away with that?

>>82532015
ya that was my first thought. the innuendo doesn't really work because Bruce was basically a sexless robot in the dcau

>>82532068
I remember two: The dad saying "Damn it!" in Cow & Chicken, and Kitty telling Pietro "You're going to Hell!" in Wolverine & The X-Men.

The Iron Giant and Cars also had Hell.

>>82532095
It's shockingly cruel but there's no actual adult content.

>>82532095
It's not based on sex, or violence, so it gets a pass. No one cares if it could psychologically scar a character unless it's them seeing tits and dicks, or them getting physically hurt.

>>82532116
Movies tend to get a lot more leeway, hence the half second of bart's dick in The Simpsons Movie

>>82531983
This is by far the worst one to me honestly.

>>82531983
I don't know...It would certainly explain billy and mandy.

>>82532015
Same. DCAU Bats didn't do the playboy thing.

>>82531987
>this nigga didn't grow up with 4kids and others censoring guns and any mention of death from cartoons
>motherfucking guns
>for an American broadcast
shit was insultingly condescending.

>>82532229
Stop. You're doing it.

>>82532229
Billy and Mandy didn't have anything that a normal writer wouldn't have been able to come up with with a clear head.

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>>82532015
I thought she meant he "marked" his territory all over town lol.

>>82532069
Raping joker ain't easy,you know.

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>>82531692
/co/ can be pretty guilty of that sometimes

>>82532141
Why do movies get so much more leeway

>>82533625
TV is for schmucks, while movies are for truly sophisticated people.

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>>82531692
>99% of a show of a show is completely for kids in every way possible
>makes one adult joke
>WHOA THIS IS FOR ADULTS TOO!!

>>82533845
>Has the most immature humor
>Gets called an "adult" cartoon

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>>82533552

>>82533845
Basically what happened with mlp

>>82533552
>>82533993
worse cherry picking I've seen in awhile.
Most of Bruce Timm's shit is way heavier.

>>82534009
I'm surprised there wasent a flood of that after the suicide attempt.
I love me some pastel horses but it's very much a children's program

>>82534057
The DCAU have a lot of heavy shit, but nothing is remotely close to a young child offing them self, because their mother kept telling her she was better of not existing.

>>82531692
Remember the good ol days?
http://kisscartoon.me/Cartoon/The-Daffy-Duck-Show/Episode-086-Boston-Quackie?id=30186

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>>82534156

>>82534191
I actually forgot that that was a part of DCAU. Still not as bad in my opinion. And besides, that's a movie so it's not really the same. See >>82532141
Though of cause I have no idea if the anime used is from a movie or not.

>>82531692
When Adventure Time was super popular this was annoying as shit.

>literally fucking anything in the show happens
>OMIGOSH HOW IS THIS A KIDS SHOW IT'S SO DEEP WHAT THE FRICK

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>>82534164
>Daffy straight up murders a guy
Holy shit it's so abrupt.

>>82534191
FUCK OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FAGGOT, KIDS ARE MATURE ENOUGH TO HANDLE THIS. KIDS ENJOYED THIS SHIT YOU RETARD

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>82533552
>>82533993
>>82534499
The guy who made these can't possibly be this stupid, right?

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>one instance of poorly drawn fanservice
>people start jizzing themselves

>>82531914
>2011 was one bloody heck of a year.
Tell me about it. That entire year was a primary example of this board's immaturity.

>>82534694
can you please commit sudoku?

>>82531830
>MY CHILDHOOD IS RUINED!

>>82534600
I assure you, he's probably very stupid.

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>action show
>protagonists use lethal force
>"Wow, this show is dark!"

>>82533552
>>82533993
>>82534499
>>82534694
It's almost like it's a completely different culture and everyone looks at them like they're a bunch of weirdos. Oh wait.

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>>82534600
>>82534747

>>82534694
Post the Korra swimsuits one.

Why can /co/ not accept that anime can get away with a lot more? It's not like that means cartoons are for shit or something, people just view them as being for children so they can't get near some of the shit anime does.

>>82534809
Oh sure anime shows violence and they're weirdos but if someone in England complains about Watership Down you'll go "Oh they're just being pansies, KIDS THESE DAYS NEED TO SEE THIS".

You can't have it both ways.

>>82534499
Well, titties that big need to be squeezed.

>>82534922
kek
when it comes from one extreme in a country to another countries extreme you do have it both ways. Because the limitation for another country is not the same standard for every country. For instance, their age of consent is 13.
To some countries that's pretty fucked up.

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>>82534896
Nostalgia I guess.

>>82534600
What's incorrect about those images?

>>82534809
The huge cultural differences is the entire point of the images.

>>82534896
I think everyone here accepts anime can get away with a lot more. America and western culture in particular is much more prude and conservative when it comes to sexuality and violence.

>>82534191
FMA goes above and beyond that.

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Ah, the more innocent shows are even worse.

>>82531808
>who cares if someone laughs, laugh aggressively in their face back, idiot.
"oh my god do you watch children cartoons? That- that's pretty fucking funny dude."
"HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!"
"Pffft oh god what the fuck was that? Are you okay? Jesus Christ this guy is a fucking riot! Are you autistic?"

>>82535353
>I think everyone here accepts anime can get away with a lot more.

Japanese creators are generally just given more creative independence because they have a much bigger market with many niches to exploit.

In America there's like 3 demographics for cartoons:

>Little babies exclusively
>young kids
>males: 18-35

The bottom two sometimes blend together too. You have to hit it off with one of those demos or your shit gets canceled.

>>82531983
I do drugs but can confirm this in incredibly annoying.

>>82535103
>when it comes from one extreme in a country to another countries extreme you do have it both ways
When it's violence it's the same extreme.

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>>82535814
It's more than just demographics, Japanese society in general is more open to things that would be considered weird or offensive in the west, just watch some Japanese shows or video games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7Jl6zus85k

This kind of things would never fly over here. Even if cartoons dealt with the same demographics as anime it wouldn't be the same.

>>82534849
>wow, I can't believe this was in a KID'S show!
>but muh anime has much better examples!

Do you think the shows listed were for kids, dense anime chan?

>>82535911
Physically yes, But not when it comes to different mediums geared towards generally different audiences.

>>82536175
Watership Down is made and shown as a kid's movie and has more violence than One Piece.

>>82536210
That's true, though I'm not sure what's the issue with it since people didn't start saying anything until maybe the 2000s when the internet got real popular.

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>>82536163
Bleach, One Piece, Zatch Bell, and Fairy Tail are all for kids, yes.

>>82533552
True enough, though the emotions are more important than sensors.
>>82533993
I wouldn't call this adult, just needlessly cruel in a way where I don't get the point of it. I assume to feel bad for the child, but the instant sudoku seems more humorous than sad.
>>82534499
Wow, almost like they're bigger perverts than we are. Is bleach even supposed to be a kids show?
>>82534694
Again, perversion. This seems to be played out as humor/fanservice/both, when LoK is playing it as just romantic.

>>82536578
>instant sudoku
Well it's just 4 screenshots so it's hard to convey the full context and time frame of events.

>>82536390
People said things, you just weren't personally aware of them because you get all your information off the internet.

>>82536163
This.
Even if they are kids shows, a difference in what cultures think kids should see doesn't make one or the other superior, and shooting American shows down because the animes did it "better" is silly
>Wow, I can't believe this toy doll comes with a machete
>fufufufu, that's nothing, in Japan they come with Katanas and grenades!

>>82536682
>Even if they are kids shows
They are. Not sure why anyone is even questioning that.

>>82536755
Because even getting past the mental barrier of differences in censorship, they don't seem like shows that are made for kids. I'm sure kids watch them, but they don't strike me as the target demographic.

>>82536805
They air during children slots and their manga are all published in magazines who's children are the main target demographic.

>>82536805
They're not too different from AtLA in terms of marketing and sales. One Piece being the exception of course.

Legitimately the only instance in which I seriously wondered how the hell it slipped past.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xmAC9Qu908

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>>82537036
That show can be fucking deep sometimes. I never though I'd cry to a girl's show like I did when I watched this episode.

>>82536682
I thought those images were shitting on /co/ more than the cartoons themselves

>>82531983

It's really funny because every fucker I've known who does drug does not become more creative.

They THINK they're more creative. But they aren't.

>>82531692
Validation. People need to show everyone else that they aren't watching something made for a different age group.

If you like something and it isn't hurting anyone else, then enjoy it. I like Kamen Rider, Ultraman, and Sentai, and my friends always gave me shit for it, but that never stopped me from enjoying it. Everyone likes something that someone else doesn't.

>>82537036

Man, I kinda wish 4kids never went bankrupt, just so we can see how they handle this scene.

>>82535274
it ignores that the target audiences are different and that censorship is quite different in Japan compared to the west

>>82533625
>Why do movies get so much more leeway

Movies usually make some effort not only to entertain the kids, but also the parents that are bringing the kids to see it. Make it semi enjoyable for them and they'll suggest other parents take their kids. If it's a complete chore to sit through, then they'll suggest to other parents that they take their kids to see something else. Execs want that positive word of mouth, but are a little more wary of outright adult oriented animation, which they don't think has as large an audience.

TV, on the other hand, is more likely to be watched by unsupervised youth. It doesn't need to appeal to adults. In fact, it doesn't really need to because jokes that go over the kids' heads are pretty much useless. The less childish stuff you see are the remaining shreds of dignity and love for animation that the folks making it were able to get past execs who are more interested in squeezing more money out of advertisers than anything else.

But TV animation for adults has really grown since the Simpsons, and now you don't need to twist an exec's arm nearly as much when trying to pitch an adult oriented animated comedy, even in a proposed prime time spot. Action/drama/romance/etc? Still risky.

>>82537366
Ignores how?

>>82537230
Must druggies do it because they lack creativity in the first place. They're the "dude weed lmao" kind of people.

>>82532116
>The dad saying "Damn it!" in Cow & Chicken
actually he said "Divot" but the censors and viewers misheard it so it was censored on reruns

>>82535357
Growing Pains
Out of the Past

>>82532229
kill yourself

>>82536945
It's so subtle it isn't even funny. The joke is there, but it's not delivered in a way where I could imagine someone actually laughing at it, even when they get the joke.

>>82536578
>Again, perversion. This seems to be played out as humor/fanservice/both, when LoK is playing it as just romantic.
Yeah, anime has never had romantic yuri before. It's unheard of!

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>>82536578
>when LoK is playing it as just romantic.

Oh you're just adorable.

>>82531816
The Animaniacs did a puke joke about Karen Carpenter. I was a bit put off.

>>82537366
The target audiences are both the same age group, though.

The fact that Japan has different standards for censorship is the entire point of the image.

>>82537158
This. I don't see how anyone could interpret it any other way.

You can hear the word DORK in children cartoons.
Dork used to mean penis.

>>82531983
Pretty much the only mainstream cartoon deserving of this is some episodes of Adventure Time.

>>82538463
People posted sweat.jpg to Wendy's curveless body in a conservative one piece swimsuit.

>>82534809
Nice racism

>>82535693
You don't have to take that literally you know.

>>82536163
>Do you think the shows listed were for kids, dense anime chan?
They literally are, you dumbass.

>>82538496
>>82535446
>>82534896
>>82535353
Some people in /co/ live in a bottle

For a board that is for animation some of you people sure are ignorant about anything not made in America, sad.

>>82536682
No one said anything about one being superior to the other.

>Japan is so open and amazing because they show boobs in their cartoons, unlike stupid America that is all prudish and backwards thinking
Can people stop doing this? It's like they're completely unaware that Japan has its own social taboos that keep them from showing and doing things as well that would make them seem close minded from a western perspective. Their censored porn, for example.

>>82535103
>For instance, their age of consent is 13.
Not really. The constitution says 13, but each prefecture has laws that are generally more restrictive. 16-18 is the real limit.

>>82537366
The target audiences aren't different. The entire point is that in the west some "meh" stuff appears in cartoons and people go "Wow that's for adults! I'm mature!" while Japan has always done it all the time.
Except with smoking.

>>82538674
Nobody in this thread implied Japan wasn't prudish/conservative.

>>82538674
Nobody said such a thing. You're having a knee jerk reaction.

>>82531692
On a related note, I can't stand when people like to describe something in a cartoon in the edgiest way possible.

So pretty much everything on this page:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NightmareFuel/WesternAnimationTV

>>82534896
I'm not sure if you realize this, but most anime is considered to be for children, too. Yes, even in Japan. And the adults who like anime are considered in their homeland to be massive manchildren, much like anyone who watches cartoons in the west.

Manga, on the other hand, is more of a general-purpose medium.

>>82538463
whay do /a/ idiots give a shit

>>82538854
/co/ made that

>>82531692
This sentiment is the reason people thought Animaniacs was actually funny. Which it wasn’t.

>>82534694
>>82533993
>>82533552

ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsm4NB8X5I0

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>>82533552
>>82533993
>>82534499
>>82534694
Go back to /a/, faggots. We don't want your kind here.

>>82537764
>so subtle it isn't even funny
>video is labeled "not so subtle joke"

I think you're just an idiot anon, there's absolutely no way to interpret the "I don't think so" line other than the intended meaning behind the joke. The only subtlety is that there was pretty much no way kids watching it would get it.

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>>82538921

>>82536578
>Is bleach even supposed to be a kids show?
It's a shonen so yes

>>82538921
>/co/ poster makes an image showing how /co/ overreacts over mild things being shown in cartoons
>uses anime as an example, showing that cartoons have always had those things /co/ overreacts about and apparently wants to watch, but they are non-western
>"go back to /a/ you weeabo faggot"

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>>82531692
Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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>>82538921

>>82536805
>they don't seem like shows that are made for kids
They explicitly are

>>82538463
>>82538873
Obviously, /a/ would post something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfnrGqs_gOM

The fanservice that picture are too generic for the average /a/ goer.

>>82539015
fuck off

>>82538921
Get off this website, retard

>>82539015
doesnt that just make a sect of /co/ a bunch of weeabo faggots?

>>82539024
>>82539044
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Cc71K_kAE

>>82539058
stay a fool

>>82539082
>>82539055
You seem triggered, embarrased about being called out on over reacting to your shitty Western patronizing kids shows?

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>>82538921
>doesn't realise where he is

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>>82539111

>>82539111
stay mad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz_NM1DH8Yc

>>82538463
Are they being ironic? I'm finding it really hard to believe that those posts are real

>>82539044
Cat and crab belong to each other so much more than rrrgi

>>82531692
bait threads are the best threads

>>82531983
I heard Walt Disney was high on Peyote when he made Fantasia. Is that bullshit or real?

>>82539196
How is it bait? Are you implying it's not annoying as fuck when people do this?

There's a screencap in this very thread of an anon claiming ATLA was for adults.

>>82539150
Woahhh dude he's in his boxers, I can't believe they got away with that, censors must have been asleep that day!!!

>>82533552
>>82533993
>>82534499
>>82534694
>>82538463
>>82539024


/a/non here. I might recreate these with better screenshots. Whoever made these shit is most likely a fucking casual since most of those images come from entry level anime garbage

>>82539082
That's aimed at adults. We're comparing kids' shows here.

>>82539249
its bait because of the obviously inflammatory response it'd get. you don't make threads like these and not expect the house to burn down.

>>82537036
What show is this?

>>82539261
I think that just makes it even better, the most mainstream shit anime outdoing top-shelf cartoons.

>>82539261
I think the point was they came from really childish things.

>>82539261
this

>>82539261

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKD276CP29g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9iw1ISArks

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>>82539310
It took quite awhile before any argument started at all. The vast majority of the posts in this thread are expressing the same sentiment as the OP.

The real problem with American cartoons is they have three settings: preschool, kid, and edgy.

>>82532270
Even before that:
http://reboot.wikia.com/wiki/Broadcast_Standards_and_Practices

somebody post some totally spies

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>>82532270
My favorite thing about 4Kids censorship was when they started calling "bombs" in pokemon "Blaster Balls".

>>82531872
>He left it all over the Joker

>>82531692

I mostly agree but you have to admit there's some stuff that really pushes the boudaries of the "kid friendly" label

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8bHPWZ6kmQ

>>82539261
But that's the point.

>>82533993
This one doesn't even make sense. How the fuck are either comparable?

>>82539486
>Completely off screen jokes about someone being born

Wow just how do they get these by the censors

>>82539519
Saying "pissed" vs child suicide. Pretty standard stuff anon.

>>82539316
Ojamajo Doremi

>>82539561
>cursing is comparable to suicide
The hell are you on about?

>>82539561
Suicide isn't totally absent from western children's media, though.

i still think that episode with the milking machine in rocko was weird

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Why is Japan so superior to every other country in the world? Maybe nuke radiation is actually a good thing?

>>82539618
Who said it was?

>>82531692
>>82533552
>>82533993
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U008nGT0eww

>>82539445
It's funny actually, children's anime dubs have gotten far better after 4kids shit the bucket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkn40ZXrpC0

>>82539558

>joke about kids watching one of them come out of mommy's vagoo

>it's completely tongue in cheek

your move, weeb

>>82539702
It's just not a solid juxtaposition, man. It's apples to oranges in this case.

>>82539720
>tongue in cheek
I don't think you understand what that phrase means. Hint: Something not being said explicitly is not it.

>>82539655

i guess radiation does cause autism

I remember the night Regular Show premiered and everyone was freaking out about the words "pissed" and "crap" and "What the H are we going to do about this S?"

It was very embarrassing.

>>82539739
Notice the point of this thread though, it may not be a direct parallel but the idea is the reaction to a swear weighed against something far more serious and yet treated mundanely.

>>82539261
>since most of those images come from entry level anime garbage
Yes, that's the point. So are the western examples.

Anyway, the thing about Japan is that when they disagree with something on a moral level, they don't make this huge outcry or turn it into a big crusade. So networks are willing to let things through because they're not as afraid of angry stay-at-home moms waging social media wars, and people don't get stuck in a feedback loop where they think that they're supposed to get upset.

>>82539717
And yet, a lot of them probably wouldn't have gotten the chance had 4kids not proved there's a market for it. It's the old Robotech paradox again.

>>82539740

>"is this you being born?"


how more explicit can you get?

>>82539784
They don't show it, no mention of labor, contractions, deep breathing, doctor/nurse giving instructions, or anything else you'd expect to hear right before a birth.

>>82531983
There we are

>>82539774
Well, okay then. Whatever it takes to get yourself off.

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>>82534749
Fuck, do any cartoons nowadays show proper killing? E.g. being shot, stabbed, slashed. Only one I can think of is The Clone Wars.

>>82538983
The subelty is in Yakko's delivery. The way he says "fingerprints" doesn't even sound like it could be interpreted as "finger prince."

But you know what? Fug that.

>Oh, maybe that's sad BUT THIS SCENE FROM SOMETHING ELSE WAS SADDER.

>>82539473

Shut the fuck up Gordon

>>82539955
Action cartoons in general are a rare breed. But there are a few recent ones that had teeth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nQLiq3PkG8

>>82539992
You're missing the point. It's people going "How risque!" to incredibly benign things.

>>82539821
>What is less is more?
Fucking weebs

>>82540105
We may as well find the most risque thing of all time so we know to react with absolute indifference to anything else ever.

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>>82540105
>to incredibly benign things.
Aimed at different demographics. most of the shit on daytime CN/nick has to okay for kids from around 7 years old and up while most of the shonen battle anime that were posted here are aimed at shithead 13-14 year old boys.

Japan tends to have less stupid restrictions on kid's media but you're not going to see two women rubbing their massive tits together on something like digimon.

>>82540252
The comparison is being made because they're both aimed at the same age group, but in one case people lose their shit and in another no one bats an eye.

If you don't think people treating Asami's 1920s swimsuit as shockingly lewd is absurd, then you're probably one of them.

>>82540391
You can't watch everything all the time, man. Oh well, again. Whatever makes you sleep at night.

>>82540432
Not that guy but I love how people always post these passive-aggressive non-responses when they know they've been BTFO and have no real counter argument

>>82540363
They're not aimed at different demographics. Regular Show is aimed at the exact same age group as Naruto.

>>82540473
I'm bored, but aren't we all? Still, I get the feeling someone is compensating for something, but for what purpose?

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>>82540363

>>82532068
I think the coach in the dodgeball episode of dexters lab said crappy.

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>>82540502

>>82540541
Nice comeback, faggot.

>>82540502
OP here. I made this thread because I can't stand how insecure so many people on this board are.

There is literally nothing wrong with watching children's shows. Claiming that they're anything but just screams how uncomfortable you are with that idea.

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>>82533681

>>82533625
They don't have to worry about sponsors

>>82540363
>>82540512
kek

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>>82540582

It isn't always about insecurity. Sometimes people rewatch a show they liked as a kid and go "Wow, I don't remember that part!"

>>82540692
Whatever, man. Whatever.

>>82540639
Yeah, man. In fact, that's the feeling I get from all those screenshots posted earlier. In that case it'd be anime fans trying to show how superior their media is because whatever.

>>82540766
You're completely misteading those images if you think it has anything to do with anime being superior. It's entirely making fun of /co/'s reactions.

>it's a /co/ butthurt thread
What did he mean by this, famiglia?

>>82540766
That's not the point of the images.

>>82539224
Bullshit, probably drunk but let's face it at some point Walt was practically inmune to alcohol

>>82531983
This isn't just restricted to animation though.

>>82531872
Amanda Waller is my favorite.

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>>82539445
Remember when Nappa blew up a city but luckily everybody in the city evacuated in like 3 seconds?

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>>82534749
>>82539955
I watched that TMNT recently and it was weird. Characters could be shown dying through gun shots, lasers, explosions, decomposition, and high falls, but getting stabbed or eaten was shown off screen. Yet, when people *did* get stabbed or eaten, they still had gore-y sound effects.

Why did 4kids try so hard to censor their anime but not their own show?

>>82532068
There was the canadian yak's men song in R&S in which the word "hell" was censored, but it was so obvious what it was supposed to be, and you you could even see it in the sing-along subtitles, since it was just crossed over. In the same episode you can also see a dimembered intestine and an eyeball, with a little bit of blood. That was also the last episode under John K's directing, so he probably did it because he had nothing to lose.

>>82535353
That's only true when you're talking about animation. The sexual and violent content in live action Western media is often very extreme (e.g. graphic rape and torture scenes), even on television. Japanese TV has much more strict broadcast standards. The kind of shit you see in HBO shows would never fly there.

>>82538800
Most anime in Japan is now late night anime, i.e. not aimed at children at all, and I'm not sure if there's ever been as much of a stigma against adult anime in Japan as Westerners keep claiming there is. I've never seen any evidence for it.

>>82540363
>>82540512
Oddly well timed.

>>82544066
>and I'm not sure if there's ever been as much of a stigma against adult anime in Japan as Westerners keep claiming there is. I've never seen any evidence for it.
It was probably truer in the past. These days you hear a lot of talk of otaku pandering, coinciding with the popularization of moe.

>>82544109
"Otaku pandering" is just a Western invention, not a real thing.

>>82544066
>Most anime in Japan is now late night anime

of the 140 currently airing anime, 76 are aimed at children

>>82544215
I'm counting by the number of new shows every season.

>>82537366
But the entire point is talking about censorship

>>82539378
This
There's not enough in between

>>82539955
Young justice had a lot of killing
Sombra looked pretty dead
Finn kills a lot of monsters

>>82538488
Yeah that's the only way some of those episodes could have been so bad.

>>82531692
i remember a lot of steven universe fans from here got mad cause I think Ian said on his twitter that the target audience was 9-12 or something.

Then they reply with
>but kids that age wouldn't understand all the references for adults!
>kids wouldnt understand their messages they're trying to give!

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What's the most mature form of media, anyway? /tv/?

>>82546214
There is none
Maturity does not come from format

>>82546336
Yeah, because I totally won't be thought as less of a human being by society for liking children's cartoons. I don't give a shit, but it gets in the way of things.

>>82546418
WOAAAAAAAAAAH HOW DID ANON GET AWAY WITH THIS THE CENSORS MUST HAVE BEEN ASLEEP THAT DAY

I BET HE MUST HAVE BEEN ON DRUGS OR SOMETHING

>>82546474
Censor here.

We weren't asleep, we were on drugs.

>>82539955
transformers: prime

>>82546418
Doesent affect how mature it is only what society considers mature

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>>82546418

>i'm not an outcast because i'm a faggot, i'm an outcast because I like cartoons!

Nobody gives a fuck about your hobbies unless your hobby is raping children or some weird fucking shit like that. If everyone doesn't like you, it usually has nothing to do with your hobbies and everything to do with you being unlikeable.

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>>82546584
>robots

Wow it's fucking nothing

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bruce timm did an image summarising things they werent allowed to put in btas

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>>82546739
>breaking glass

>>82546978
i think the logic behind was that children would think it looks like candy and want to eat it

>>82546717
>not liking robots
shit taste detected

>>82532238
He did it just as much as comic Bruce does, which is to say that both of them APPEAR to get drunk at parties with a girl on each arm a lot, but he never actually fucks those chicks.

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>>82531692
Because /CO/ is full of pussies

Anything that isn't a preschooler show is too edgy for these flubbering fannies, thats the only explaination

>>82531872
Literally her next sentence is "Not remotely what I meant", and the flashback shows them grabbing a blood sample.

>>82539261
>entry level anime garbage

so kid shit.

>>82547301
That's not what entry level means, and are you sure you're in a position to accuse anime of being for children?

>>82547325
More entry level shit that comes to the states is Shounen shit i.e kid shit

>>82547345
Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell are also considered entry level. The term has nothing to do with being aimed at children.

>>82547389
Which is why I said

>most entry level shit

Or do you not understand basic reading comprehension?

>>82547434
You're just grasping at straws in an attempt to to justify a misconception.

>>82532068
In the first episode of Gargoyles, the villain waxes some philosophy cliches about Heaven and Hell.

>>82547454
That doesn't stop that some of the most recognizable stuff is just kid shit

>dbz
>sailor moon
>pokemon
>naruto

>>82547500
Nobody said that there isn't entry level anime that's aimed at children. The term has no relation to target audience. I don't know why we're still even talking about this.

>>82546739
Most of these things were in btas though

>>82547259
>/CO/

What were you trying to achieve when you made this bizarre decision?

>>82547259
This

>>82537230
they become seth rogan

>>82543608
>Why did 4kids try so hard to censor their anime but not their own show?

4Kids started bringing over anime at a point in time when anime had a really bad reputation for being needlessly violent and sexual. This is partly what inspired the switch from calling "Japanimation" to calling it "Anime". "Japanimation" had a bad reputation, but "Anime" was something "New and different."

They had a heavy hand in censorship because they wanted to dodge ANY controversy and appeal to the broadest range of children possible.

>>82543608
>they fucking behead shredder

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>>82544164

>>82547881
Yeah yeah yeah. People always have this kind of flabbergasted reaction, like "what the fuck is this crazy nigger saying," but then at the end they realize they can't actually demonstrate that pandering exists. They just "know" it exists and they "know" that this or that anime is pandering, but then they can't actually prove it in any way.

>>82547933

Well what kind of proof would you require? It's more of a common sense assumption that a lot of the animators who work on these shows are otaku, so naturally they would make things which appeal to their own sensibilities.

>>82547933
Shows catered to otaku make money, it's plain simple.

>>82548017
If the creators are themselves otaku and making something they themselves enjoy then they are not pandering.

>>82548045
That does not prove pandering exists. Have you actually thought about this for longer than five seconds?

>>82538488
You're doing it RIGHT NOW.

>>82533940
El Superbeasto?

>>82534097
What, MLP had an actual suicide attempt?

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>>82548891
>Playing MLP on your phone is more acceptable than playing Metal Gear Solid 3 on your 3DS

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>>82534097
>>82548675
Aren't you refering to 'zamii070'?

>>82531692

>You know, for kids xDDDD

And this amusingly comes from people who were kids themselves not so long ago.

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>>82547933
Anime panders to otaku all the time, but comics and movies does the same, just differently. In the West it's more about making muh strong female characters and so on.

>>82549193
>Anime panders to otaku all the time
A claim that has never been proven.

>>82549226
moshi mosh baitu desu

>>82549258
See >>82547933

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How did they get it past the censors?

>>82535693
only on tuesdays

>>82531692
To be fair, getting lesbian sex complete with bedroom eyes and overt sexual dancing past the radar is a bit surprising

>>82531983
As a giant drug head. This annoys me the most.

>LOL THEY MUST HAVE BEEN ON CRACK!

As though cocaine is at all related to surreal hallucinations.

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>>82549226
You're right. There's also propaganda anime to convince Japs to marry and reproduce.

>>82549193
>>82549226

You've never seen that image where some head of an animation studios talks about they need to pander to otakus to stay afloat?

>>82549543
The studio in question has basically never produced any anime, and he was simply incorrect anyway given that there were plenty of other studios making "non-otaku" anime. He was also only speaking on his only behalf, and was immediately contradicted by an animator saying that he likes cute girls and drawing them.

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>>82549650
>and was immediately contradicted by an animator saying that he likes cute girls and drawing them.
Anon...

>>82549757
So you're saying he was lying? Based on what?

>>82549782
The point of the image is that animator was an otaku, too. I'm sure he loves drawing but you're completely missing the point. I don't mind fanservice but a shit-ton of the anime they produce is all for otaku so they can buy the expensive BDs and figures and so on. The fact it's so isolated to Japan isn't just because it's so expensive, it's because only otaku would spend so much money on it. Buying manga for example is cheap and that's why those stories are much more varied and are literally about anything. They cost nothing to produce.

>>82549840
How does any of this prove the existence or prevalence of pandering?

>Buying manga for example is cheap and that's why those stories are much more varied and are literally about anything.
The same holds true for anime.

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>>82549917
>How does any of this prove the existence or prevalence of pandering?
It's obvious so it doesn't need to be said.
>The same holds true for anime.
Nope. Again, panders all the time and animation isn't fucking cheap which was my point.

>>82548619
No. Because I'm not saying it for the sake of, "Wow this makes no sense haha it's so out there!!!" I'm saying it because it has the same kind of faux-philosophical up-its-own-ass navelgazing and abstractions where people mistake high for high-minded. Mostly talking about Xylophone here.

>duuude what if a comet got reincarnated as a butterfly, and then the butterfly was reincarnated as a legendary heroine BUT THAT WAS FINN

It doesn't help that Pen is baked as hell in half of the appearances I've seen him.

>>82550024
>It's obvious so it doesn't need to be said.
Yeah, it always is. People can't actually come up with any evidence, they just say it's "obvious" because "everyone knows" that anime panders to otaku.

>Nope.
Why do you think it isn't true? Because "obviously" it isn't. "Everyone knows" it isn't. No need to even check.

"Serious," non-stereotypical shows like Joker Game, Death Parade, Concrete Revolutio, Shouwa Genroku, Erased, Ping Pong, Sakurako-san, Zankyou no Terror and Perfect Insider air all the time. Along with sports shows (e.g. Baby Steps), action shows (Kabaneri), mecha shows (Kuromukuro), ordinary comedies (Kyoukai no Rinne), and so on. And almost nobody in the West ever watches them. Almost nobody knows they exist. Because almost nobody in the West watches anime to any significant degree, they just talk about it as if they did.

Try watching more anime.

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>>82550167
>Try watching more anime.
Hah! That's like saying there's great fan fiction. Contradiction, senpai. Besides, I like some anime but they have to be OVA or movies and no otaku shit.
>Yeah, it always is. People can't actually come up with any evidence
Because it's like arguing with idiots who don't know anything. If you honestly to god don't think companies pander then I don't know what to tell you. It's a business and they'll do anything to make a profit.
>And almost nobody in the West ever watches them. Almost nobody knows they exist.
Well, we are on 4chan, so.

>>82548675
Sort of not really. More suicidally reckless to where she didn't really care if she died, because she was sad her only friend left her.

Trixie's new assistant and only friend ran off on her, but she still marched into a famously suicidal Houdini-ish stunt that no one had ever been able to repeat, despite her friend being literally her entire plan for surviving it.

>>82550255
>Hah! That's like saying there's great fan fiction. Contradiction, senpai.
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>I like some anime but they have to be OVA or movies and no otaku shit.
"Otaku shit" is a category you've made up. It's not real.

>Because it's like arguing with idiots who don't know anything. If you honestly to god don't think companies pander then I don't know what to tell you. It's a business and they'll do anything to make a profit.
You have no proof. Nobody has any proof.

This whole idea of pandering is based on a misconception of how things work in Japan. People assume that fans and creators are different groups of people in Japan, which is completely false.

>>82531692
Cartoons from our time where a lot worse, yes, but our parents didn't have a nice cozy anonymous place where to safely discuss how secretly "perverted" they were for actually seeing it.

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>>82550307
>You have no proof. Nobody has any proof.
Uh huh. And what proofs do you have that it isn't?
>This whole idea of pandering is based on a misconception of how things work in Japan.
I know how things work in Japan.That still doesn't change it's all for otaku. You think blockbusters aren't made to be as average as possible so they can make as much money as possible?

>>82550393
>Uh huh. And what proofs do you have that it isn't?
The burden of proof is on you.

>I know how things work in Japan.
You clearly do not. As I just said, fans and creators are not separate groups of people in Japan.

>That still doesn't change it's all for otaku.
You've already indicated that you don't know anything about anime and this just shows it even more.

"Otaku" is a somewhat nebulous and frequently misunderstood concept anyway. You may think you know exactly what you're talking about when you say something is for "otaku," but you actually don't. Those OVAs you've watched were almost certainly made by and for otaku, and you didn't even realize it.

>You think blockbusters aren't made to be as average as possible so they can make as much money as possible?
We aren't talking about blockbusters. Late night anime is for niche audiences.

>>82550307

This whole argument seems like a miscommunication of semantics. When people say pander they probably mean 'cater to' half the time because they don't appreciate the difference in meaning.

>>82550307
>"Otaku shit" is a category you've made up. It's not real.
He's talking about obvious weeb bait. You know, moeshit. The kind of stuff you'd see plastered all over Akiba and preserved in PVC figurines. The kind of stuff where they censor the raunchy bits for the BD because they know it'll get otaku to buy a show they've already seen.

People look at you like you're dumb because "otaku pandering" is as obvious a statement as "sex sells," since that is exactly what's happening. They're just playing to Japanese hikikomori tastes specifically.

>>82550393
>That still doesn't change it's all for otaku
m8 no one said that. We're not saying Hayao "Feed an Otaku a Glocku" Miyazaki is targeting shut-ins; just that it's prevalent, and it's gotten more prevalent with the uptick in moeshittery and waifufaggotry of this decade.

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>>82550482
>nuh uh you're wrong you clearly don't know anything
>"Otaku" is a somewhat nebulous and frequently misunderstood concept anyway.
Oh sweet jusus baby mama
>Those OVAs you've watched were almost certainly made by and for otaku, and you didn't even realize it.
Yeah, because it's rocket science. I am completely incapable of knowing what otaku are and what kind of otaku anime they watch. I need to be weeb master race to know such things です

>>82550528
>He's talking about obvious weeb bait. You know, moeshit.
Otaku and weeaboos are two different groups of people, and absolutely different when talking about Japanese otaku. Weeaboos aren't even a target audience anyway.

"Moeshit" is not a real thing either, and moe-type anime is not aimed at or particularly appealing to weeaboos, it's aimed at otaku.

>The kind of stuff where they censor the raunchy bits for the BD because they know it'll get otaku to buy a show they've already seen.
Moe-type anime has zero or very little "fanservice," and nipples are censored because Japanese television requires them to be censored.

>People look at you like you're dumb because "otaku pandering" is as obvious a statement as "sex sells," since that is exactly what's happening.
You have no proof that it exists, and you don't even know what you're talking about in general as demonstrated by your continuous factual errors.

>>82550556
>nuh uh you're wrong you clearly don't know anything
Well you are, and you don't.

>Oh sweet jusus baby mama
Well if you don't believe me then you can go buy the book Debating Otaku in Contemporary Japan.

>I am completely incapable of knowing what otaku are and what kind of otaku anime they watch.
You clearly are.

>>82550736
>Well if you don't believe me then you can go buy the book Debating Otaku in Contemporary Japan.
>You need to go read a book to understand muh Japanese culture
Sure, senpai, sure.

>>82550736
>Otaku and weeaboos are two different groups of people
Dude I was being glib. Are you really going to pick that apart? I'm aware of the subtle difference between "hardcore anime fans" and wapanese Ken-sama types if you're going to throw an anime fandom dictionary at me.

>Moe-type anime has zero or very little "fanservice,"
Yeah, that's why I bundled them together with "waifufaggotry," rather than expecting "moeshit" to cover the whole of it. And as for your BD point, you're forgetting the many instances where steam, camera angles, etc. obscured literally nothing of value, and it really was just to bait people into buying the BDs.

>>82550823
Yes, it turns out that sometimes you need to read books to understand complicated topics like the culture and subculture of a foreign country. Did I just blow your millennial Wikipedia-addled mind?

>>82550828
>Dude I was being glib.
Uh huh.

>Yeah, that's why I bundled them together with "waifufaggotry," rather than expecting "moeshit" to cover the whole of it.
In that reply you only mentioned "moeshit," and "waifufaggotry" essentially is just another way of saying moe anyway.

>And as for your BD point, you're forgetting the many instances where steam, camera angles, etc. obscured literally nothing of value, and it really was just to bait people into buying the BDs.
When the characters are naked they need to obscure their nipples and genitalia regardless of whether they intend to show the nipples on the BDs. Not all shows feature bare nipples because it doesn't fit all the shows, so the BDs will remain censored too. It has nothing to do with baiting (which is also not a real thing).

>>82550939
>Yes, it turns out that sometimes you need to read books to understand complicated topics like the culture and subculture of a foreign country.
Too bad we're not talking about that, then. Just anime and otaku.

>>82551054
Both of which are complicated topics related to the culture and subculture of Japan.

>>82550939
>and "waifufaggotry" essentially is just another way of saying moe anyway.
No, that's retarded. I would consider Precure moe, as opposed to some fanservice-laden harem anime like Monster Musume (which I would put in the waifu camp).

>>82550939
>Uh huh.
If you're so eager to demonstrate your Vast Knowledge of the Elder Anime Gods that you're going to cling that hard to split hairs, I'm not sure there's anything I can say to convince you. Ah well. Internet arguments, I guess.

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>>82551066
No.

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>>82531692
speaks volumes about the shitty state of cartoons really.
>show plans a plot for more than 3 episodes in advance
>"oh my god this lore is so deep the new age of cartoons, Sugar is the new [previous /co/ icon or whatever]"
I mean I like SU, it's just that it does things that SHOULD be basic storytelling 101

>>82551163
That was uncommon even in the 90s, really. Beloved CN classics like Dexter and PPG were almost purely episodic.

>>82551084
Moe is a feeling of love, affection and excitement towards anime/etc. characters. Someone who really likes a character could consider her his "waifu."

>>82551107
Anime is a unique half a century old artform comprising thousands of shows, movies and OVAs and is preceded by another half a century of animation. It's very closely tied to manga, an even older and larger artform. It also has close ties with light novels, visual novels and other video games, and music, and their respective industries. It's a product of Japanese culture, society, history and language, and otaku subculture. It has its own animation, production and industrial practises, character and story conventions, and worldview, and so on.

Otaku culture has been a very contested topic in and outside Japan that's been subject to fairly significant academic interest and societal attention. The topic has its own history (or histories) and literature.

A foreigner starts with zero knowledge of all of these things and has to learn about all of them and how they relate to each other.

>>82551229
why are you instantly assuming I think the 90s were good or better?
I judge narratives based on their quality, not their legacy.

>>82551251
Well, you say "the shitty state of cartoons" so I assumed there was some kind of temporal reference here. Just an observation either way. Though I think you're underselling the relationship between quality and legacy; no one looks back fondly on Squirrel Boy or Super Duper Sumos.

>>82551236
You're a very literal-minded person, aren't you. This is a forum for Malaysian kinography, not a peer-reviewed journal. Be a little more adaptable, you know? I mean, kids say "hot" when they mean "cool" -- it's a madhouse.

Though I agree that otaku culture is a pretty nuanced thing, and anime and manga are tied irrevocably into the underlying society. It would be silly to argue otherwise.

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>>82551236
>Anime is a unique half a century old artform comprising thousands of shows, movies and OVAs and is preceded by another half a century of animation
Movies is old too but it's all the same shit, senpai. Most of them boil down to "the heroes win" and "the guy gets the girl."
>It's a product of Japanese culture, society, history and language, and otaku subculture. It has its own animation, production and industrial practises, character and story conventions, and worldview, and so on.
You mean underpaid animators, pandering to otaku, and unique character and story conventions? What? Like "onii-chan let me suck your dick!"? Because it's not complicated at all.
>Otaku culture has been a very contested topic in and outside Japan that's been subject to fairly significant academic interest and societal attention.
Nobody cares about otaku. Even the Japanese don't care about otaku. They just leave 'em alone.
>A foreigner starts with zero knowledge of all of these things and has to learn about all of them and how they relate to each other.
Oh, get over yourself, man. pomf means please sexually harass me. It's Japanese and it means love.

>>82546418
By society? I don't know, but I'm pretty open about liking comics and cartoons and nobody cares
Everyone has hobbies

>>82551163
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>cartoon has any semblance of continuity or natural world-building
>"MAN, THIS SHOW HAS SOME DEEP LORE!"

>>82549063
People quoting that Nostalgia Critic line are the worst.

>>82549459
And that literally never happened. You got two women dancing with bedroom eyes. There was no "lesbian sex".

>>82548891
He needs a neckbeard.

>>82537230
>They THINK they're more creative. But they aren't.
Hit the nail on the head there, anon.

>>82553431
hell, it's propably like the 7 dolphins, kids won't even notice there is ANYTHING even remotely intimate going on.

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>>82548972

>playing Metal Gear on a 3DS
>not something good like Gradius collection on the PSP

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>>82539955
or suicides and mercy-killing for that matter?

>>82550736
>>82550828
But what if i enjoy some moeshit like K-on or Yuru Yuri.

>>82555254
shit I still havent seen the movie.

>>82551644
Not same anon but i do agree that anime has simple plots but i never watched anime for plot most of time. And i still like modern anime even if /co/ doesnt like it.

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>it's "/co/ get tsundere for Nippon again." episode.

>>82556048
but that's every episode. the subtext is so thicc, it's basically text.

>>82556190
>>82556048
in /co/'s defence we are/were also mostly 90's-early 00's weebs.
But /co/ has no love for post Haruhi/Kyoani LN garbage.

Anime is too dumb and complicated for me. It's also just too out there. I don't understand half of the animes I've tried to start. I'd prefer my cartoon characters just doing dumb and retarded shit over

>MUH DEEP LORE
>MUH EDGY BLOODY VIOLENCE
>ANIMU TIDDIES
>CUTE CHARACTERS BEING OBNOXIOUS

It's just not my thing. I don't understand why everyone thinks anime is superior to western animation. The animation is not too great to look at in most of them, the jokes are too random and forced, too many obvious cliches, etc. Maybe I'm too old to get it. I don't get it /co/. Kind of ironic I'm on an anime founded board but damn. I'd rather just stick to my Warner Bros, Animaniacs, Spongebob, Regular Show, Uncle Grandpa stuff.
What do I know though, I'm not an expert on these things.

>>82556269
>I don't understand why everyone thinks anime is superior to western animation
lol, that's just /co/ lore fags.
Korra (the weebiest psudo-animu ever) was supposed to save /co/, like Anakin was going to balance the force.

>>82556269
Classic 40's Toons >>>>>>>>>>> Animu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern calarts garbage

>>82556269
fuck off funfag

>>82535693
I fear you're going to do this anon

>>82556467
>funfag

Explain. Did you mean furfag? If so, where did you pull that out of?

>>82556369
Korra just made things worse.

>>82556407
Meh, I like "modern Calarts garbage". It's the same thing with anime, they all look the same to me. What matters is the writing. I like the writing style of western animation more.

>>82556269
> I'd prefer my cartoon characters just doing dumb and retarded shit
There is enough anime like this.

>>82556533
>What matters is the writing
updoot to you