Didn't Sugar say that there's gonna be no "villains" in her series.
Then how would that work out after everything we've seen with Homeworld so far?
Just you wait when Sugar makes Jasper DEEP n stuff
What if this happens in Message Received?
>"The communication tower was broken, but whenever I went back I kept finding it repaired, so I sent multiple messages. Looks like it was the very last one that reached Yellow Diamond!"
>everyone looks at Pearl
By giving them a reason to be in the right, from their point of view.
"We had a strong empire, our people had security. Rose Quartz tore it to pieces and doomed our people to a slow, meaningless death. If we can harness your healing power, we can bring everyone back to life, we can make it so this whole stupid War never happened... Unfortunately, it will take every last drop... It's your life for countless billions. Tell me i'm a villain for wanting to save us all?"
Jasper is said to be Red/White/Black
So she's not just impulsive and wants to destroy for the lulz, she's like a dog. If the superior orders her to do something, she'll do everything to accomplish it and please them, but she also has enough free will (like deciding to bring Steven to YD instead of completing her mission)
>The war is finally over
>Both gems discover that they can mate and have offspring, way more easier that digging in the ground
>Didn't Sugar say that there's gonna be no "villains" in her series.
No, she never said this. Why do you think there's no quote of her saying this.
That jasper motivation was clearly a rushed example but it makes a lot of since, Gems are made rather than born so logically they'd make improvements to the new generations of warrior gems.
Jasper dates back to Rose's rebellion, so is probably a knight among tanks when compared to the modern warrior gems
Jasper is easier to redeem than Peridot. She's the only HW Gem who didn't try to kill Steven, and clearly operates on some sense of honor (unlike Peri, who's driven purely by saving her own skin).
Even Lapis has done more bad stuff than her.
I guess an aggressive but competent leader who does what is best for her Homewrold whose interests just so happen to clash with Stevens.
Maybe to make her not a villain they can do abit of diplomacy, maybe YD makes compromises and isn't just a cackling psychopath as much as a Machiavellian following the interests of her country.
PEARL FUCKS UP AGAIN: NEWS AT 10
I'm really hoping that they don't have steven become BEST BUDS with her in the end, I want her to be a genuine “bad guy" but with her own motivations and shit, basically like what's best for her people kind thing
I'm conflicted on this.
I want YD to be a menace, and a threat for Steven to overcome.
But I also feel like its an excellent opportunity for Steven to get some character building, so I'm thinking YD tries to talk to him and be reasonable instead of just shoot first talk later.
I prefer that YD is calm, polite and doesn't attack first.
But Steven soon realizes sh's cold, unethical, and cares very little about feelings as long as it maintains order, like YHWH in SMT
See I could understand this, but it still feels kinda shallow. Maybe a bit more shade of grey?
Like YD just doesn't attack Steven at all. Crystal Gems? Yep, but Steven she is convinced is really innocent in all this, and not a target.
What if she's so convinced that she's right that Steven cannot reason with her, and is forced into a do or die situation?
Still like the idea of an outside threat. Why would they have to produce masses of soldiers if they weren't involved in a war? The Cluster seems like a pretty big deal to engineer just for the hell of it. If she's fighting for survival, why would she try to reason with Steven at all?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the Kindergartens were established before the rebellion. The holes and connection with Amethyst seem to indicate that they were mass producing Jaspers, which once again would be odd to do if they were in a state of peace. Smashing millions of dead gems into a planet-sized weapon also seems pretty ridiculous if they were able to largely nullify the threat of the rebellion without it.
>Just you wait when Sugar makes Jasper DEEP n stuff
[sarcasm] That's impossible. Jasper is confirmed to have no connection to anything else. Especially not the fusion experiments introduced shortly after she was, which all share her most unique physical trait that no other Gem has. Jasper was designed only "to look cool" and there can be no other reason for her appearance. We must unquestioningly accept such out-of-show statements as the whole truth, since writers are required by law to reveal plot points months in advance when asked about a fan theory that happens to be correct.[/sarcasm]
>but Steven she is convinced is really innocent in all this, and not a target.
Or she realizes Steven can be used as an asset, what with having Rose's healing ability.
Somehow adding a bigger threat feels like more of a cop-out than self-preservation. I mean, either way they'd be fighting for survival, at least in the latter scenario the Gems don't become victims just for the sake of sympathy points.
That's true, and we shouldn't forget that Homeworld up to now has been billed as intolerant, authoritarian, xenophobic and despotic coupled with being rampantly imperialistic.
But I think that YD as a gem cares about Gems in her caste, she respects power. So it follows that she respected Rose Quartz, a gem of immense power. Its actually very probable that she and Rose knew each other and were friends at one point.
So YD as a character could be empathetic to Rose as an individual, enough to actually give a damn about Steven, but still be a tough as nails ruler.
You know, I wrote that reply out then looked at your post again. My post was answering you very last question; why she would reason with Steven, not about the peace or war stuff.
Maybe abit of both, emotionally she wants it and its practically justifiable as asset collection.
>YD comes across as cold and manipulative
>Turns out it was just because she was trained to be that way when she was created
>It's literally in her genetics to be a ruthless conqueror
>She's tired of seeing life-filled worlds destroyed just because "it's her job," but knows she is not able to go against her programming
>Decides to have Earth be her final test to see if they're strong enough to survive or if they'll just be another reason why she exists
First, we've only seen what the Crystal Gems have shown us. Given that they fought against Homeworld, they aren't exactly reliable as a reference for who is bad and who is good.
Second, Homeworld TECHNICALLY hasn't done anything wrong. They need to sacrifice planets in order to procreate; a species has only a responsibility to itself and it's own people. Homeworld need not care for the lives of some massively under-evolved apes when the survival of Gemkind is at stake.
I mean... holy shit, look at the horrendous things Humanity does to EACH OTHER, and we all share the same planet. Do you think if our only method of reproduction was to rape an inhabited planet we'd hesitate for even one second to hatefuck every last living man, woman, and child there to death?
Jasper is too much of a dick to be a morally grey character like this thread is suggesting. She figuratively raped Lapis for power.
They violated the golden rule of do unto others as you would to yourself.
True, but you can still give a shade of grey with motivations, backgrounds and such. Although her actual actions are pretty well in the black
>Somehow adding a bigger threat feels like more of a cop-out than self-preservation.
I agree, it's not a good story direction to have an established antagonist say "we're not so evil, those OTHER aliens are evil, go fight them!", because either it's still Good vs. Evil with a red herring in the middle, or now there's a whole other faction to develop morally ambiguous motives for.
>dodging any form of debate by writing it off as 'not an argument'.
That's true. Although, it could be done right, even great if handled correctly.
Linking the antagonists reasons to fallout from whatever Rose did would be a great way to do it. Say a Gem civil war broke out and hasn't ended since as a result of Rose- that would be enough to make Steven feel something as a character and flesh out Homeworld and gem culture whilst providing a motivation for callousness that doesn't end with the characters in question being "evil" in the end
Or maybe she has stripes because orange jaspers have stripes and because the crewniverse has said multiple times that they make designs based on what they think looks cool.
But maybe I only think that way because I'm not retarded.
Yes, it is a choice. No one was forced to do it.
I can conceive of other ways to make her arms less plain that don't cause her to resemble the fusion experiments. Giving her gloves would be just as effective and simpler to animate.
And I never mentioned her eyes, what is wrong with you.
>Homeworld uses a huge amount of manpower to put down the rebellion.
>The implied weapon used at the end of the rebellion was a last-ditch effort because they couldn't keep fighting at such high losses.
>This is a double-given if their civilization was facing some kind of demographic crisis before this.
>War weariness and instability cause a gem civil war.
>This has been going on for thousands of years.
>Steven has to come to grips with the fact that his mom's actions not only killed her followers, but millions of gems over the last several thousand years as well.
I could dig it.
The weapons stuff fits great with the current lore we know now.
Infact I'm screen-capping this. I really want this to happen.
Uh-oh. UH-OH! BOOM!
I can keep blowing you out of the water all day, motherfucker.
I agree it could be done right, but why do it right with three factions if it could be done right with just two? Having a third party would just needlessly overcomplicate the plot.
Sorry faggot, there is only one form of opal. All others are just virgin loser's wet dream.
The bigger question is: Who would be the perfect voice for Yellow Diamond?
My vote goes to Barbara Goodson.
The fact that opals also have stripes.
Also, am I supposed to believe every single one of the shards used for fusion experiments came from Jaspers?
>Anon, jaspers are striped
What do you think opals look like? They can easily have four or five distinct hues close together.
Hell, sardonyx is striped the same way as jasper, and in the same family of minerals as jasper, but the Gem named after it has one skin color.
>Can't you see?
>Can't you see how much they need each other?
The theory makes no sense anon. The cluster experiments happened near the end of the war. Jasper was a warrior that fought during the beginning war. She can't be a successful cluster experiment like you keep claiming she is.
>The fact that opals also have stripes.
Not all opals have stripes. In fact, very few do. Most have spots, speckles, or prismatic filtering. Some have very solid colors, or change colors depending on which angle you hold them or how light hits the surface.
An opal is possibly the single worst example you could use for your little theory, friend.
She fought for most of the war without having two skin colors, and became an experiment near the end. She was a Jasper the entire time, she just got an upgrade. What is so hard to understand?
>being this pedantic
Spots and speckles are still multicolored.
Are you going to tell me this rock is a single color?
Well, do you have any evidence that she didn't? It's completely possible she was enhanced with shards during the war, and that would not contradict anything we know about the timeline.
You seem to think I was claiming Jasper was grown as a fusion experiment. I addressed that. She is a whole Gem with shards added.
It doesn't need to be a single color. The simple fact is that there's no hard or fast rule for how a gem's skin should be. The colors of Opal's gems match that of real opals, and that's all that matters. Or do you think they really want to animate the constantly changing flecks of color within an opal as part of Opal's skin?
Jasper isn't a fusion, she's not a mutant, she's just a jasper. Deal with it.
>there's no hard or fast rule for how a gem's skin should be
Then there is logically no causal relation between Jasper's name and her skin colors, so saying the latter is BECAUSE OF the former is a lie.
Where do you think Garnet gets them?
Emerald's pretty much a given, seeing as how it's the last precious gem.
Well known semi-precious stones like turquoise, topaz, and agate.
Maybe other organic gems like amber and abalone.
I don't think we're going to have a proper introduction to every gem, there's too many. The only one I really feel confident about is emerald, due to it being extremely well known and the last precious gem we haven't seen. It'll be interesting to see what other gems ultimately get chosen as developed characters.
>gets defused and alone with Steven
>talks down her rage
>something about the fight with Rose being the only one she lost, glory and battle and the traditions she affronted
>learning to accept what she can't change
>learning that Lapis was right and Steven is someone worth protecting
>coming back to Lapis as equals, after HER groove sorting arc
>Malachite is their fusion form but not as monstrous this time
Why amber? There are tons of better organic gemstones.
Various petrified woods, coral, jet, fossilized bone, ivory, ammolite, ammonite, crinoidal limestone, turritella agate, mary ellen jaspers, nacre... lots of them.
Amber is just so boring.
By crushing their own gem.
By retreating and never coming out.
Matt Burnett is a shitty writer, stop confirming his MTG fake character analysis bullshit.
Matt also said WW2 never happened.
Why the fuck does everyone have a smartphone?
The Crewniverse say they're making althistory without understanding the ramifications of thinking EVERYTHING out.
Silly anon, everyone knows Lapis is the rapist.
how can one happen without the other?
solid color Jasper looks like something I shouldn't be aloud to see
Last time someone brought up that villain shit, some kind faggot finally gave me the likely source of it.
>But we won't necessarily see that many iconic villains on Steven Universe, says Sugar — the Gems aren't dealing with a particular person, but something "bigger than that." There's not "really a singular enemy." Instead, the conflict will be within the group, and it'll be about Steven figuring out what's right.
It's bullshit. She didn't say there'd be no villains, just that the main antagonists of the show were going to be whole forces, not a single iconic being.
They aren't facing Yellow Diamond, they're facing gem-kind.
>gay rock men
>that condescending bitch face in the 2nd to last panel
Gets me every time.
Fucking hell I love Jojo and SU
I'd love a crossover animation some day.
It looks basically normal
you're used to seeing jasper with the stripe, so naturally jasper without it looks off
the design is less cool, but it looks like just about any other gem
Nah, they'll be space dragons with access to
>Almost every type eats gems.
I don't get why everyone thinks this is a gem. They can bubble other stuff, Steven bubbled a bag of chips for centipeedle. Maybe it's a part to a weapon, or a key to some hidden part of the temple, or an art project of Gregs. My vote is red herring by the creators.
>He's never played a PS1-era platformer.
He's another familar face from the same series that'a obsessed with gems.
Nah, here's your dragon. It got ate.
Human culture is also completely unaffected by a massive alien invasion in our ancient history.
I don't think the writers think too hard about this shit. Because the CG should be worshipped as immortal god queens if human behavior was the least bit consistent between our worlds. They aren't even famous, people are actually wierded out by gem 'magic' even though it would be the crux of many fields of scientific, cultural, and historical inquiry.
It's a fun show, but I'm not going to pretend the world is well built, or be disappointed when it doesn't suddenly do a better job after not caring for so long.
If that's a dragon, then it's definitely a hatchling.
Not really, that one's multiplatform.
He'll reactivtate the Warp Pad for the Crystal Gems.
If they pay him a small fee, of course...
What if the fighting took place in remote locations, like the Kindergarten? I mean, 3000 bc (5000 years ago) is around when North Africa had early agriculture, so it wouldn't be that hard for a lot of humans to miss a massive alien attack, and it would explain why some people don't even know about the CGs. Not to mention, there's always the possibility that there were some gems with psychic/mind wiping abilities that could help with hiding gem presence from people in urban areas.
But we literally only have a side shot of her. A really dark side shot.
People are clinging to her without her even having shown up in the show at all.
I'm hoping it'll be an even bigger letdown than all the faggots that came up with ideas for Peridot only for her to be completely different.
I doubt they'll go to lengths to make yellow diamond/Jasper into good people, but rather make homeworld gems in general feel sympathetic, maybe there'll be some important reason or ingrained mindset that they have which is why they turn planets into kindergardens/gem worlds, something that the protags may be able to fix.
Jasper is less of a dick than Peridot, and has done less wrong than Peri has at this point. She acted based on what she thought was right, rather than selfishness, and she had a sense of honor rather than playing dirty.
Why are people so quick to call her more irredeemable?
It is because she looks like a man?
They'd still embrace it anyway
Peridot turned out to be a loser nerd and it only led to more fans
Just hoping that YD's character turns out interesting, and not something like 80's Skeletor or Cobra Commander
I'll post my shit tier crack pot theory too, because all the cool kids are doing it.
That bismuth is somehow kinda Lion's gem in a way. Lion is some type of weird gem creature that was created as a byproduct when Rose made Steven. He's an amalgamation of all the leftover things that she didn't put into Steven, like her motherly instincts, and fierce warrior nature,
her vast interiorand shit like that. That's why none of the gems saw Lion before Steven was born, and why Lion is so protective of him.
Would be neat. Any new species being introduced, really.
I'd like to see a hint at a society orders of magnitudes above the Gems, just for Pearl to realize she's essentially to someone else what humans are to her. Of course, considering her caste, she's essentially like that within her own society.
Everything the CGs seem to stand for can be turned on it's head when you have to apply it to a group larger than 3-6 people.
Fusion alone is a mess. Just look at Sug ... I mean, I'm pretty damn sure none of the gems who made up sug WANTS to kill Steven and Pearl but Sug (a temporary HUGE FUCKING "War Machine") was ready and willing to crush em all. What if 2 gems pulled a Jasper/ Lapis on a 3rd gem so that they could use the fusion for their own means? How can you prove the 3rd gem was tricked into partaking in the fusion that may have caused so much damage and loss of life? Fusions can't be "punished", they're experiences that end when they decide to or can't stay that way any longer.
How do you stop that? Shun fusion. Turn it into a thing you only do to fight for the cause. Have gems fuse with others of their type so that they don't become something new, they just become bigger and likely better at their task. Make this a cultural norm and teach it to all new gems like Pdot.
Makes sense, really.
Garnet and Amethyst aren't even particularly powerful gems, but they're too stable to fuse despite their chaotic nature.
Can you imagine if Malachite composed of fractured Lapus and Jasper? The show would have been over.
>they call her
A DIAMOND DOG
I want DY's appearance start out with a song
>Homeworld need not care for the lives of some massively under-evolved apes when the survival of Gemkind is at stake.
>when the survival of Gemkind is at stake.
why do immortal holograms need to reproduce?
especially at the cost of all other life on a kindergarden planet?
And even if they die, their lives are far FAR greater than 6000 years, and they don't have/have looked for other methods during that time?
For their species to be at equilibrium Their massive reproduction pipeline that the kindergarten showed implied they die at a huge rate, but from what besides their own infighting?
If not at equilibrium, then their excessive reproduction IS a horrendous thing
the entire need for gems to reproduce AT ALL is underdeveloped to the point of being a plothole
>-rigid caste system
Cultural differences aren't inherently evil, it's just hard to change things from the way they've always done them, especially when you're talking about plenty of those lives having potentially been there since the very beginning.
>-destroys planets to produce gems regardless of its inhabitants
Taking life in order to grow, survive and flourish is no different from human beings. They didn't recognizes us as being equals so didn't afford us any rights, it's understandable.
>-"harvests" gems as punishment, whatever that is
Punishment for those that break the law is understandable.
You're dealing with an alien culture, you can't label everything they do as evil just because it isn't what you would do, otherwise they are justified in killing us solely because we are "evil" as well.
It's not so much a lifespan thing as much as an outnumbering the opposition thing.
They're creating more soldiers, not creating heirs.
Those soldiers then defeat another planet, and use it to create more soldiers.
Obviously they have to leave some planets alive because if you don't what was the fucking point of taking it over?
Then again, nothing I say matters because we just don't fucking know, man.
>No, she never said this. Why do you think there's no quote of her saying this.
I read the post she made, I don't remember it word for word but it was this more or less
>There are no villains in Steven Universe, only misunderstandings.
She specifically said misunderstandings.
>So why increase their numbers 6000 years ago?
To expand the empire. A larger workforce allows you to do more. This also applies to culture in a very basic way.
1 painter vs 1000
Which group is more likely to produce greater works? It's pretty obvious, there's simply more potential with more people, period.
Technical Immortality, reduces the need to reproduce, not imcrease it
I assumed they have more than one kindergarten, and plant them reguglarly, so what is the question about 6000 years specifically?
6000 years is nothing to an immortal
have you seen any gem without a function? The soldiers are the heirs
>Obviously they have to leave some planets alive because if you don't what was the fucking point of taking it over?
Nothing about gems implies they need live planets
Immortals don't necessarily imply the need to grow an empire
And the destructive method they use only increases all other animosity toward them
for example: Transformers are explicitly hated in thier universe for thier destructive influence on the entire universe, and they don't even need to kill planets
>Immortals don't necessarily imply the need to grow an empire
Not sure what you mean here, if they have ambitions they need ways to fulfill those and a workforce makes sense.
>And the destructive method they use only increases all other animosity toward them
There probably wasn't any other way known to them. Technically there still isn't, Steven just replaced a Gem essentially, they didn't increase their number. Though they told us we would see whether or not there was a way to make new gems outside of the injectors.
>Transformers are explicitly hated in thier universe for thier destructive influence on the entire universe
We don't even know if there are any other sapients in the show, and those people that hate the warring of the transformers would have hated the Decepticons winning far more and coming to rape their planet simply because they don't give a damn.
First of all, shit happens. Gems are ageless beings but they still can be destroyed. Accidents can happen to them, and they would need to be replaced. That's why gems need to make more of themselves.
About kindergardens, we don't know if there are any other means of making new gems, so as far as we know it's the only viable way of making new gems.
Wait, you people do know that the whole "injecting gems into planets" thing is relatively new to gem kind ... right?
Pdot called the kindergarten injectors "first era" ... they only came up with this tech around the time of the war which is with in the life time of most of the team.
>First of all, shit happens. Gems are ageless beings but they still can be destroyed
I'm not saying it can't. I'm saying that killing off a life planet Is not worth more gems even TO GEMS in the long run, which is the normal run to an immortal
And you would still look for other methods, even if you only knew of one
Ambition does not validate atrocities, which was the issue I was arguing
>We don't even know if there are any other sapients in the show,
In transformers, we do
In SU we don't, but what other reason would they need a fucking planet killing weapon? More Infighting? Again another reason that their atrocities are unjustified either way
And if sugar says there are no villains then the other spaients wouldn't be villains either
The injectors may be new
the methodology of gem birth may not
however it is likely considering Gems before they started space travel makes the birth methodology unsustainable on a single planet
Amethyst's Stand is Purple Puma
Pearl's Stand is
My guess is that though HW makes gems naturally it doesn't make enough for them to replenish their population after all their warring with each other.
So they decided to research ways to make more gems and even create NEW gems.
So they gravitate to the caste/ class system and make gems for certain jobs that will help them advance.
Then they find out that they can make gems on other planets and happened upon earth.
/co/ is not one person
the injectors where used in the first era
if gems have not always had interstellar travel, then this was before the first era
if there was a before the first era, then the gem birth methodology was different in some way
if you caim that gems where always interstellar, then that remains to be seen, but there would still be a time period before the first era corresponding to the first set of gems, and thier discovery of how they reproduce
humans reproduce due to compulsion of orgasm, gems so far have no compulsion to harvest themselves and bury the harvest, and in fact peridot feared it, therefore the first generation of gems would have to find out
this is why i suspect that all gems are a slave race to some other biological race
Anyone else real hoping YD is a Dio level of antagonist?
Immortal, invincible, I will rule this world!
politics are a byproduct of needing other individuals to distribute effort with a more desirable/profitable outcome
why would immortals who do not ever need to eat, need other of their species for food, or any other resource, have politics?
what other ideologies would they even have, than "lets not reproduce at all costs" like rose's?
would those other ideologies even exist if not for the still unexplained ambition of world destroying expansion?
no matter how you spin it, the underlying motivator of expansion here is still unresolved
>what other ideologies would they even have, than "lets not reproduce at all costs" like rose's?
Fight against the caste system
Maybe some esoteric cult-like group
Possibilities are endless
I'm guessing that Rose built her army under a blanket of rebellious misfits who wanted a place outside of HW's and their respective Diamond's strict rules and culture.
Just look at their attitudes towards fusion, they all enjoy it for different reasons but Garnet list it as her reason for fighting and sees it as something much more personal to her. Pearls are slave gems on HW and Rose gave her the chance to be free and become so much more.
Yeah, this. Rose's faction was large enough to cause Homeworld proper to abandon a planet with an at-one-time functioning Kindergarten.
They weren't a ragtag group of misfits; they were a paramilitary force at the lightest.
... lol, what?
Only 3-4 of them survived without turning into monsters and we know from PDot that HW labeled it an abandoned colony and thought ALL gems were dead and gone. HW also turned it into a giant egg for a planet destroying gem monster.
The CG didn't win shit, they survived because HW thought them all dead 6k years ago. But when they stop the cluster they will have won some victory.
we don't even know whose sides those casualties are
hell, Rose had a kindergarden full of quartz warrior gems, and they had a home advantage, and still in the end, they didn't win
no, she said there wasn't going to be a recurring vilian in the first season, which was to focus mainly on the interrelationships between the CGs. and that's exactly what we got, unless you want to count Lapis who was really only an antaginist the first time she was shown, or Jasper who was intro duced in the last episode of season one, I suppose Peridot was a violation of this, but she was late late season and was more of a vanguard, not much of a threat on her own but represented gem kind regaining an interest in Earth.
>we don't even know whose sides those casualties are
yeah that makes your argument worse
>hell, Rose had a kindergarden full of quartz warrior gems, and they had a home advantage, and still in the end, they didn't win
There is no reason to assume they would be loyal to rose, even if she was In charge prior to rebellion, nor that they would remain loyal to her after she explicitly rebelled
Hang on, why do you think HW abandoned the planet then?
if it wasn't rose's rebellion, then what?
they put the cluster there because the planet was STILL kindergarten viable, otherwise the cluster wouldn't grow
you don't just blow up a kindergarten viable planet, if you think the rebellion is dead, when they supposedly have such a huge demand for replacements and the only methodology is a kindergarten
>yeah that makes your argument worse
my argument was that the remains in the battlefield were CG's but ok
>There is no reason to assume they would be loyal to rose, even if she was In charge prior to rebellion, nor that they would remain loyal to her after she explicitly rebelled
It's that same reason why Amethyst is a Crystal Gem. As new gems, they could've been easily impressionable and probably didn't know any better
>they put the cluster there because the planet was STILL kindergarten viable, otherwise the cluster wouldn't grow
Peridot says in When It Rains, that fusion experiments started precisely because Earth was no longer viable colony to mass-incubate new gems
>my argument was that the remains in the battlefield were CG's
which is weaker when you admit that you don't know
>It's that same reason why Amethyst is a Crystal Gem. As new gems, they could've been easily impressionable and probably didn't know any better
youth does not override self preservation, also regardless of age, quarts kindergarten holes are fucking huge so your idea of youth applying to gems, might just be due to amethysts funky birth, and isolation on earth, and not their actual mentality
hologram warriors, designed for battle, would not be born without the imperative to obey the caste hierarchy, TD would override Rose, due to superiority
you ignored the question
and if the planets wasn't viable for kindergartens specifically, and was abandoned specifically because of that, and not the rebellion, then how did the cluster grow at all?
>hell, Rose had a kindergarden full of quartz warrior gems, and they had a home advantage, and still in the end, they didn't win
Nigga if they "didn't" win, Earth would've been hollowed out. It was a Pyrrhic victory no doubt, but that's still a victory.
>Battle against the Cluster
>Steven tries to talk it out
>Learns the hard way that one can't persuade a speeding bullet, or alter a bomb's convictions.
>One CG dies for real
>Homeworld Gems are good guys at this point, helping defeat the Cluster
>They do, and it is broken into its individual components
>Steven gets to work licking the gems one by one.
Because due to the result of war, there were thousands of gem casualties which in turn were used as material to make a giant artificial fusion, The Cluster.
I don't know the reason why and how the that type of fusions are made, but that was the reason for not continuing the work of the Kindergarden
alright I'm just gonna sperg my theory here and leave
>Lapis originally was a high ranking gem thousands of years ago, one of a kind
>Rose persuades Lapis into joining the Rebellion and does so
>Gets backstabbed by Rose and get turned to a mirror once the war was over
>hologram warriors, designed for battle, would not be born without the imperative to obey the caste hierarchy, TD would override Rose, due to superiority
Then how the hell are any gems rebelions possible if they have to unconditionally obey their superiors?
How are you this dense?
you aren't even responding to my words
1. the cluster is a gem
2. gems are planted in viable planets to absorb some sort of life force and grow
3. the cluster was inserted in the earth to grow
3b. grow by absorbing some life force, right?
Your entire arguments chain of events depends on HW coming to the conclusion that earth was no longer viable as a kindergarten independent of the rebellion
If it can't be a kindergarten, HOW DID THE CLUSTER GROW
It can't be used for kindergardens because they will use up the lifeforce to make the Cluster grow.
It was a choice between continuing the work of the Kindergarden or growing the Cluster (which is technically a giant fusion, i might add)
Pearl treats the mirror as a gem relic
Pearl existed before the rebellion
Why would you put someone you back-stabbed into a teaching device?
How did pearl acquire it?
If Pearl knew why would she give it to Steven art all?
If Pearl didn't know, why would she assume its a teaching device?
If the though all the rebellion was dead, why would they ever blow up a kindergarten viable planet?
This has been a big circular argument
This is your timeline
>HW doesn't think CG are a threat
>HW thinks all CG are dead
>HW thinks earth isn't viable for kindergarten
>decides to waste a kindergarten UN-viable planet on a bomb test requiring Viability
>get asked how last step is even self-consistent
>get told its an opportunity cost between kindergarten and bomb
that's not an answer
you can't be this stupid
I must be talking with the same person
Thats not an answer to any of the questions
I know what pearl thought it was.
that's not an explanation /rectification of thier incomplete and contradictory head-cannon
you either need better reading comprehension skills or you need to go to sleep
you're probably right anon, I need some sleep
just had to get that theory out, anyway
Clearly they thought that making the Cluster was more important than continuing the work of some Kindergarden.
After all, you don't get that kind of opportunity very often. At least not as often as making a Kindergarden at least.
>If the though all the rebellion was dead
PDot sent a fucking eye ball to the planet to check for life.
She was SHOCKED to find that there were gems there.
HW legit thought all the gems there were dead.
"Why not keep using the kindergarten?"
For w/e reason they found it unsuitable for that and decided to do a cluster experiment that's gonna destroy the earth and be big enough to fuck up planets.
That's part of why the CGs THINK they won.
To them the earth is safe, there's no other gems on earth, gem production is completely done and they haven't been visited by gems in 6k years. What they didn't know is that HW simply set up something that would break outta the planet sometime after they did w/e they did that fucked all but 3 of the CGs.
>Ambition does not validate atrocities, which was the issue I was arguing
Atrocities is completely debatable from their POV.
Remember they don't generally want to hurt their own kind and we have no problem killing lower forms of life for consumption.
>but what other reason would they need a fucking planet killing weapon?
For self defense from another species. In which case it's hard to say they aren't justified.
>And if sugar says there are no villains then the other spaients wouldn't be villains either
And yet wars are created in real life because of MISUNDERSTANDINGS between cultures and political situations.
This is all things you should already understand.
Why not like Valentine
>Completely adamant faith in their cause
>Ready to sacrifice everything for the good of their nation
>Charismatic leader who's so good with their words they can almost convince you they're just and righteous despite being the designated antagonist
Pretty much. I mean fusion between different gems creates something completely unprecedented with no way of preparing for in terms of abilities, and the personality is even worse.
Like even with same-gem fusion, their personality will be determined by whatever their dynamic was, and it's entirely possible that something ugly could rise to the surface that wasn't initially apparent, like with Sugilite.
Killing a planet is not up for relative interpretation
It is excessive, it is mutually exclusive, and it is a complete loss of that resource even from their perspective
Humans don't kill ALL life to eat
Humans life is not mutually exclusive with other life
Humans food production and reproduction uses renewable resources
Humans need to eat, gems don't, killing isn't even necessary for them, as it is with us
Effectively gem life is unexplained, to the point of being pure evil
Gems kill entire planets to reproduce
Gems don't even need to expand and they do
Gems consume a non-renewable resource which others need (without consuming it)
Even when we do need to kill, we as a species still have standards about that, and don't do it excessively to the point of planecide, and try to do it humanely, and we certainly now do not kill an entire species just because "we need to eat it"
from what other species in universe?
then no one ever would be considered villains, and i doubt sugar was being so obfuscating with her proclamation as you imply here
>Gems kill entire planets to reproduce
And humans have killed entire species to make fancy coffee tables.
>Gems don't even need to expand and they do
The singular imperative of all living things is to reproduce. Gems are beholden to no other law but to propagate.
>Gems consume a non-renewable resource which others need (without consuming it)
And by consuming that non-renewable resource, every gem is born without the need to consume anything further. No food, no drink, no sleep, because they are powered by the life force of the planet they devoured.
They're doing the exact same thing humans do, except they do it like a Cossack drinking his vodka: in one dreadful gulp, instead of sipping at it like a pussy Englishman.
Also, refer to >>78357963
Thank you for sharing your opinion, I'm glad we are living in a age where a man has the freedom to say his thoughts out loud even if they oppose the majority
and even if they are objectively wrong, like yours
why doesn't anyone love amy anymore? she is just misunderstood, she deserves to be happy ;_;
She's fun. Not waifu material more like auntfu or something
>star shaped chest hair
Grown Steven best Steven
This pic is wrong. Steven does need to sleep. Connie wouldn't say something so false.
Well, the other gems got tired searching for Malachite and could sleep then, but probably didn't need to.
Gems probably don't need to sleep, but can if they choose and it does have beneficial impacts. But Steven being a hybrid, who knows
Word of God is that we don't know yet
>Word of God is that we don't know yet
You can't be serious.
Which one's better?
Long Hair Chill Steven
Professional Beach Hunk Steven?
I've always kinda preferred Fridge Steven
Does a nice combination of a possible adult and his current self. Long hair steven is too much Rose and too much Jack Black
I love Fan Version of Lapis but I really have no idea where did they got that idea - Lapis in show is just a sad and broken mess
Um.... they may be good to the Homeworld. Good and bad are subjective. Also why are you adding Jasper with YD as if she's the only loyal gem to her? We don't even know if she's 100% loyal to her, and if so, loyalty can definitely change.
For all we know Peridot might still be loyal to YD and at the same time trying to correct things.
I guess I can see how that version could become a reality - if she ever gets to interact with Crystal Gems aka "Assholes that kept me as a utility devise for 5000+ years"
Maybe Yellow Diamond will turn out to be like General Tor from Iji; being bound by public opinion and forced to continue invasions and shit when she really just wants to smoke some space rocks all day.
I suppose both of you missed the episode where Steven passed out next to a door from sleep deprivation. To say Steven chooses to sleep like other Gems would contradict everything we've been led to believe about Steven. Steven probably wouldn't even need to eat, either. But his body isn't an illusion, so it wouldn't make sense that his body didn't need to get energy from food and sleep. I'm not saying I can't be wrong, I'm just saying the writing would not make sense if that were the case. You're welcome to add anything that refutes any of this.
My theory after Reformed is that corruption occurs when a gem regenerates to rapidly to many times, breaking their mind and their form. Would make sense if all the corrupted gems came from the war. They'd want to regenerate quickly to get back into the fight.
>Jasper: "Rose, why do you look like that? Why are you so weak?"
She may know what a human is, but she doesn't know what a child is. And it is even confirmed that gems were never children when they were made.
Yeah but he can also do some straight up Akira / The Thing level shapeshifting, age spontaneously, and his gem literally has magical healing powers. I'm willing to believe that all of Stevens biological needs can be handled by his gem.once his powers have developed enough. Everything we see about Steven emphasizes the fact that hes still learning.
>so my guess it could be like their version of PTSD.
Would make sense why Centipeetle was trying to destroy the crystal gems.
But can some explain the giant black shard bird? Or the Roc as we call it
Could just be mentally broken gems, its implied that reforming requires some kind of conscious effort, which is why amethyst got fucked up by rushing it so quickly. So maybe monsters are what happens when the gem inside gives up and just reforms as projection of raw emotion. Then that entity kind of takes on will of its own.
>I'm willing to believe that all of Stevens biological needs can be handled by his gem
If that was true then he wouldn't be "half-human." He'd be just like any other Gem. He may have the powers of Gems, but everything else is as human as it gets.
Gems can SHAPESHIFT at will. She thought Steven was Rose, an enemy she had assumed was dead for the past 5000 years. If anything that made her immediately view Steven as an equal.
do humans shapeshift into cats?
can they age at will and reverse the process?
The "human" parts of Steven sure do act more like gem parts, its just that he has no conscious control of it at this point.
We didn't need confirmation from anyone that she is selfish. The first thing Lapis does when she's free is steal a planet's ocean to try and go home. The second major thing she does is become an unstable fusion of hate that could endanger the planet as well just because she wants to feel in control for once. I mean, it was pretty clear to me that she only cares about herself and maybe Steven sometimes.
HW knew they weren't all dead; they thought Rose and a handful of Gems were still there.
Rose fought well enough for HW to decide that re-taking the Earth wasn't worth the effort, since they had nothing to lose they decided to use it as a testing ground for the cluster.
He is, however, a very capable enemy combatant even though she did not know that. And he had Rose's gem, which basically made him the enemy commander. In real combat conditions, capturing or killing the enemy commander (especially after they've killed hundreds of your comrades/humiliated your army previously) can often take priority over real objectives.
Imagine if Steven had reacted with his powers instead of attempting diplomacy, and enabled the Crystal gems to inflict casualties upon Jasper's force?
While Lapis is useless (as an informant who knows more about modern earth than she does about modern Homeworld), and as a warrior Jasper's life is meant to be sacrificed (though as an officer she's more important than lower level warriors would be), Peridot was her escort target and if she got dusted (or captured and reeducated!) Jasper would be in for an asschewing of epic proportions.
Basically, Jasper can't go home now, so she might as well stay under the ocean or join the Gems.
Nuh uh not my point.
The three girls were trying to defend Steven because they knew he couldn't do shit.
The only thing he'd summoned was that bubble shield. He didn't even summon his actual shield to defend himself from Jasper's headbutt
>being this fucking retarded
To humans, yes it is. To gems it isn't, because gems have no fucking idea what children are and what are the morals for humans.
You're trying to impost human views onto gems, especially gems who have never lived with humans.
Actually, Steven summoned the giant discus shield with Rose's symbol to deflect the ship's finger laser. That's why Jasper thought he was Rose in the first place.
It's also worth mentioning that Jasper de-summoned her crash helmet before knocking him out. So she probably intended only to incapacitate him, without causing too much damage.
Also notable. Steven is shown to be a powerful and skilled fighter in some contexts, though a real fight can end very suddenly if one person makes a mistake.
>there are no villains
So Gem War included
>Tall muscled amazonian woman
>Multi armed giants with gigantic sword and axes
>Oceans filling the battlefield, freezing and then getting set on fire by magic gems
>Space ships and anti space ship canons
>Tons of disposable plant soldiers on Rose's side
>A bunch of humans with swords and arrows trying to stay alive in a middle of it
Am I forgetting something? Coz it's looking pretty fucking metal
>No matter what you think they are.
You're a moral retard. Intentions matter, that's why they play such a huge role in criminal trials. You know there are situations where people have killed children and the law saw not fit to punish them because there was no reason to think it was intentional? That's how you make moral judgments. That's how adult society functions.
If we operated morally, as a society, in the way that you prescribe, there would be no difference between first degree murder and accidental deaths. Everyone would get the same punishment because killing for any reason is wrong.
But we don't operate that way because everyone with an above room temperature IQ can reason that the intentions of the person committing an act are the best predictor of their future behavior. That makes it unfair to rob them of the moral context of the situation they found themselves in.
Jasper saw Steven as a long presumed dead enemy, she didn't even know that Steven and Rose are separate entities. You are saying that a soldier is acting immorally for taking an enemy leader into custody. Keeping in mind that she was perfectly capable of killing him and only took him prisoner. She may have been a dick about it with the gloating, but morally it was pretty cut and dry.
>ship Jasper and Lapis together
What are you talking about? They've officially been branded the worst relationship ever.
They've always been portrayed as an unhealthy relationship, though. I don't think they'll ever be able to get over the whole Malachite thing.
They probably won't, yeah, but I think they could learn to be better friends and maybe go on to be okay people.
Or, at least, Jasper could die an honorable death and Lapis's voice actor can still be kind of a badass.
The could learn to respect each other though after long time of course.
Funny, of all the Jasper/Lapis crew drawnings, Lapis is the one who is mostly depicted as manipulative, selfish fuck.
That's because she is the one doing the raping, anon. The fanbase might be blind, but the crew knows damn well what they're doing.
I feel like this next arc is going power up steven well atleast in the arc after maybe so that he can defeat/ally yellow diamond. After this because of the way that gem culture works she will have to align herself with steven also meaning jasper will too. I'm basing this off of the fighting arenas and how peridot assumed the pearl would act after their fight.
What if Steven and Jasper fight? And somehow Steven wins? I mean Jasper always wanted to fight Rose, and she also said she respected her tactics.
What if she learns to respect Steven after a good fight?
Yes I know, Steven can't fight, at least not a pure quartz gem blah blah but I have that feeling this is what will happen.
i cant wait for malachite to break apart and for jasper to fucking destroy lapis, beating her to an inch of her life, dragging her lifeless body up in front of the temple, and then tear her gem out, making sure steven is watching. then slowly crush the blue cunt's gem into tiny shards and dust that mixes with the sand, never to be reformed.
She wasn't really "backed into a corner". She could have easily defused and held Jasper in a underwater trench, but she decides to allow their minds to fuse. She's bringing punishment on someone else because she wants to, not because she has to.
yeah you get it! the only reason I think this won't happen is because they're saving Lapis for a later season. But hey I hope they don't cus that girl is cool.
>people think pearlfags arent the absolute worst.
The fact that people still excuse her actions as "she was weak, she couldn't have said no to fusion" is retarded enough. We're talking about someone who took the whole ocean and kept fighting with her gem cracked. She literally had the ocean next to her, she could just stomp Jasper and fly away. But no, she chose to be an idiot and trap Jasper in a toxic fusion.
I feel sorry for Malachite and Jasper.