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>I... I've brought you y-your saber, master Skywalker
I knew you were coming
It's been so long...
Are you ready to take the next step in a larger world?
Rey, did I ever tell you about Evar Orbus and His Galactic Jizz wailers?
Yes, after Evar's tragic death, they reformed into the Max Rebo band, who played when a giant space slug was preparing to rape your aunt.
They were good friends.
In the EU Max survived but decided to retire and open a restaurant iirc
She's oddly upbeat in interviews and public appearences for someone who seemingly hardly gets any job offers without begging (GoT is the exception I think, and they basically wanted her because the character is meant to be ugly...), I find this pretty admirable even if it's just an act.
>expect Phasma to be the next Fett
>she's just a joke character that will inevitably be comedically disposed of in every movie
That's what Trench was and everyone likes Trench, though. I too wished they'll actually utilise the fact that Christie looks intimidating as fuck, but honestly Trench > Fetts and Zuckuss was the best bounty hunter anyway.
Phasma has the imperial accent
Rey has the Imperial accent
Phasma is old enough to be Rey's mother...especially since Rey is probably supposed to be younger than Ridley.
(Yes, that's not know that's not how accents work but maybe she'll remember her)
Yeah it probably won't be true but it fits funnily enough for a mother candidate
Most Fett EU material was just mando wank, Zuckuss, 4-LOM and IG-88 all had better stories in the old canon than he did.
I'm upset because I really hoped Phasma will be just SW version of Brienne.
yes, but only if the grinch doesn't come around this christmas
if he does, then I'll definitely love pancakes with my hot pockets
>Being too stupid to finish reading a post
FYI the characters are not always the same age as the ones portraying them, the characters in ANH were not the same ages as their characters, they were younger.
Rey is probably meant to be a teenager, maybe 20. Phasma might be 40 actually.
It would create the whole "Luke fell in love with an imperial" thing
Gonna close the poll soon, looks like the first cover variant is gonna win.
If you want to use any of the other variants, they will be included in the MEGA.
>I never liked Star Wars but apparently the black character in it really pisses off white people
Are you deliberately trying to be retarded? You might as well think the KKK includes every white person in existence as a member.
Its just funny because most of the white nerds that grew up watching Star Wars grew up to be /pol/ racists and retards
Now someone they hated is the main character of their favorite series. Sweet poetic justice honestly
>at opening night for TFA
>literally everyone talking about the Jar Jar meme
>first showing gets let in
>everyone screams "JAR JAAAAAR!"
Phasma is Trench's adopted daughter, it's obvious. There's no way Trench would just die, he ultimately became just a brain in a silver droid body and escaped into the unknown regions, presumably taking care of some dumpster baby at some point. That baby eventually grows up and decides to join the FO and bids farawell to her caretaker.
She nevr forgot about him, though - Phasma wears chrome armor because that's how she remembers the biggest authority figure in her life.
How does this make you feel?
So far everyone i know that watched the movie loved Finn and Poe, Rey is great but there's the Mary Sue issue, that i don't really care since is Star Wars after all, but others don't like it as much as the other two.
>look up TFa on tumblr
>first result is that weird guy obsessed with shipping those two girls from Thunderbolts and inflation porn who fled from /co/
Didn't exect him to hate Phasma.
What do you expect when its an american film?
there is some stuff up on pixiv though
You know what's bothering me the most about the TFA fallout? Literally every "reviewer" on the internet is sucking this film's dick. Like it's to the point where no one even wants to entertain the idea that it had flaws.
Where's that anon who said all Phasma nsfw will be ooc submissive bullshit or extreme fetishes
It's all his fault
I just want my soft femdom, fuck, pretty tall women are rare
I can taste your stormweenie tears from here
>look up TFA on tumblr
There are flaws, but they don't stop it from being the first watchable Star Wars movie in several decades
Considering that Lando Calrissian was both a popular and prominent character in the original trilogy you have no idea what you are talking about, and think that /tv/ is a valid demographic.
It's much better than people expected it to be. The only major flaw is how they executed the starkiller base idea and how unsatisfying its destruction was. Everything else is either great, good or at least okay. Han's death scene for example is one of the greatest scenes in the saga.
>Its just funny because most of the white nerds that grew up watching Star Wars grew up to be /pol/ racists and retards
Hooray for racial stereotyping!
But for real, you're an idiot. The original trilogy gave us Lando Calrissian, played by Billy Dee Williams. He was added in Empire Strikes Back and is the smoothest motherfucker in the galaxy.
The prequels gave us the most badass member of the Jedi Council, Mace Windu, played by Samuel L Jackson.
And of course Darth Vader has always been voiced by James Earl Jones.
Stop trying to imply that every single white person on the face of the planet is secretly plotting to reinstate chattel slavery and the slit the throats of black children just to drink their blood for shits and giggles. Most of us just want to live our lives, same as everybody else. And besides, I don't even like the taste of blood.
Anybody read this? Not really sure I like it so far. The subject matter is pretty interesting, but I don't like the Bendis-esque writing style and how there's 4 million POVs.
While we're at it, what are some other good Star Wars books? They don't necessarily have to be canon.
Assuming this by some miracle isn't bait I'm sorry to let you know, anon, that you're applying present day american race dynamics to the entire world in every time period which is, to put it lightly, an imperialist standpoint, hisotircally often associated with racism, or at least not caring about oppressive politics elsewhere.
But then Americans hardly consider Slavs and Irish human to being with
Does anyone else think the prequel trilogy, although shittier, has a more unique storyline than the original trilogy?
He's implying that Revenge of the Sith was watchable and/or good.
Which it was.
If you honestly think TFA was better than ROTS, you've proven an incredible ability to entirely shut off your brain for 2 and a half hours and simply not think about anything that's happening on the screen.
This lightsaber fight felt more real than any other fight in the saga.
>a more unique storyline
??? you mean it isn't the heroes journey???
>reviewers saying Poe's character showcases that Oscar Isaac has near limitless potential to grow as an actor
>all of Poe's dialogue is either exclamations or single sentences
I don't get it; he did good but his appearances were relatively short compared to Boyega's.
>admitting that you would be banned if you stated your age
WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST LIE
YOU HAVE JUST TACITLY ADMITTED YOU ARE UNDER 18
HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU
Yes, unfortunately. Worst book I've read in a long time, the author is straight up trash.
You should read Lost Stars and Battlefront: Twilight Company instead, both from the new canon and they're fantastic.
>If you honestly think TFA was better than ROTS
Don't read it, listen to the audiobook. The book is a bad combination of present tense and a weird love for sentence fragments.
It's much better as an audiobook because that's how it reads.
RotS was quite watchable.
I do. The OT is the classic Hero's Journey, which has been repeated thousands of times.
The PT is a Shakespearean Tragedy, which isn't seen as often.
that's the OT you numbskull
In Legends, I recommend starting the New Jedi Order series. While some installments in the series are bad, I'd say the series averages out to be pretty good, at least over the books I've read so far (I just finished Star By Star).
In particular, watch out for Balance Point, because it's painfully dull but unfortunately necessary. Edge of Victory Part II had an enragingly stupid Mara Jade plotline, though it made up for it with the Yuuzhan Vong shaper plotline.
In fairness, a lot of sites ran with that
>Serkis says "I was on a platform 25 feet up and they had these speakers to make me sound bigger"
>YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST SNOKE IS 25 FEET TALL!!!!!
Yeah, it was perfect. I loved the prequel fights, they were always fun to watch, but this was just so satisfying and marvelously constructed.
Imagine what it must feel like for Kylo Ren, who may never have been in an actual Lightsaber duel before, to essentially live out one of the best parts of his Darth Vader fantasy.
>everyone claps whenever a star wars veteran gets introduced
not a peep
They were all great IMO
Even Rey's possibly wooden acting for the beginning of the film (they may have filmed in sequence) for the desert was appropriate since she was soul-crushingly numb with routine and boredom.
Seeing a lot of people on here defending the Prequels for what "they tried to do"
Who cares about the intention, when there was little to no work put into making them actually succeed in doing just that?
Is Kylo Ren even a sith? Or is he just a Dark Jedi?
Consensus theory seems to be that he's trying to draw on the pain to ramp up his anger and draw on the dark side more effectively.
Which seems to me like a pretty shitty fanfic-tier exploit to introduce for the dark side, but I guess it's what the fans think they want to see.
>Thinking popularity on /co/ or /tv/ means anything
They dont take the opinions of people who post on an anime image board for cartoons seriously when they make these movies.
How delusional are you?
Why was Pissy McHelment piss such an angry whiny faggot throughout the whole movie?
>Those temper tantrums
>Only real kill is Solo when he had a cheapshot
>His Megaboner for gramps Vader
He could've been much more intimating. If the following movies don't acknowledge that he's inexperienced and demonstrate him grow as a villain I'll be disappointed in his performance.
okay so i have a theory about episode 8 and it ties in rebels.
so i think luke met up with Ezra at some point when he was training new jedi and ezra is the one who knows about the old jedi temples and tells him.
so luke is finding all these old temples and even discovers that degobah where yoda was living was an old Jedi temple and that's why he experienced the vision there much like ezra did in the other jedi temple.
now as Luke keeps finding these temples he is sending his padawans in to pass the test like ezra had to but he doesnt know that there are some old sith temples and he sends Kylo into one. this is a sith temple with the dormant general snoke and he planted a seed in kylo and slowly turned him and then told kylo how to bring him back
now after rey meets up with luke i feel like hes gonna be like i cant train anyone ever again cuz hes to butthurt you and hes gonna send her to find ezra and learn from him
let me know what you guys think about this
>Imagine what it must feel like for Kylo Ren, who may never have been in an actual Lightsaber duel before, to essentially live out one of the best parts of his Darth Vader fantasy.
Not too great I guess, since he got shot by Chewie after he killed his own father.
What if Max Von Shadow's character was actually Kanan or Ezra?
He's explicitly not a Sith, though I guess since he was technically training to be a Jedi it's not technically wrong to call him a Dark Jedi.
The specific group he belongs to is the Knights of Ren, but we know very little about them and what it is that makes them different from Sith. We know even less about Snoke's Force discipline, he's apparently not one of the actual Knights of Ren but has control over them (or at least he has control over Kylo, who is the "master" of the Knights of Ren). Snoke isn't a Sith either but we don't know what he is.
Could use her Galaxy of Heroes model in the /aco/ drawthreads
That is one legitimate plot hole to be honest.
Bowcaster makes motherfuckers fly even when it misses, Kylo should have been blown off the railing and fell down there with his father. It would have made his appearance in the woods spookier too
I already saw the movie but im just looking out for the community
Spoiler tags are there for a reason. /co/ is one of the tightest boards on 4chan we should have some respect for eachother.
>and fell down there with his father. It would have made his appearance in the woods spookier too
And have Solo Lives fan theories flood the internet for the next year and a half?
Lords of the Sith shows Vader's dark side power came from the pain of his memories pre-armor, and the loss of his limbs requiring going half machine. That gives him a ton of anger, which he focuses on with the force to get his power.
Very. It's basically Band of Brothers mixed with Starship Troopers set in Star Wars. Gritty, grounded war story taking place between ANH and RotJ. The main character, Hazram Namir, is complex and interesting and there's a nice ensemble cast of other Rebel soldiers that serve with him. I really liked the tone and feel of it, the action is good and it's well written.
He wasn't supposed to be intimidating. Did you even pay attention while watching the movie? He's a powerful but immature fanatic who desperately wants to be evil and badass, but he is still too inexperienced to achieve his goals. He is basically the anti-Luke Skywalker. That's why he gets his own villain journey where he becomes stronger and more mature, just like Luke in the OT.
From the Star Wars TFA novel
>“It took her a moment, long enough to bring to bear the rifle she was carrying, before she recognized the trio and lowered the weapon.
>Her amazement at seeing them was no less than theirs had been when they had spotted her.
>Running to Finn, she threw herself into his arms. Neither could hug the other hard enough or long enough.
>The embracing pair finally separated, if only to look into each other’s eyes.
>“Are you all right?” a relieved Finn asked.
>“What happened?” His voice darkened.
>“Did he hurt you?”“Never mind me,” she said.
>“What are you doing here?”He smiled softly.
>“We came back for you.” She tried to find something to say to that, something worthy of the sentiment and the risk they had undertaken. She failed miserably.
>Chewie, however, had something of his own to add. Whatever the Wookiee had uttered caused tears to well up in her eyes.
>Having never found himself in such a position before, Finn was unsure how to respond. Knowing well her inner toughness, he wondered what Chewbacca had said that could have inspired such a reaction.
>“What’d he say?”She sniffed and wiped at her face.
>“That it was your idea.”
No, that was the "My beloved fell in a hole and hurt himself but is okay" reaction, it has subtle differences and nuances compared to the "I feel death" reaction. Don't worry, you'll learn.
I think at this point the question is whether it even makes a difference. They're not part of the actual Sith Order and aren't called Sith, but we don't know enough to even tell what makes them different.
Right, but Vader's pain is like emotional, spiritual, psychological.
This Kylo Ren punching trick implies that a dark sider could get a power boost from stomping on his own toes whenever he gets the chance, or wearing a cilice or something. This is like Yuuzhan Vong pain worship, or that albino freak in the Da Vinci Code.
Leia got claps and cheers in my theater along with all the others. I think the only moments in my theater that wasn't related to the return of a Star Wars veteran or the introduction of the Millennium Falcon that got equal amounts of applause (not counting the moments met with laughter like BB-8's thumbs up and the NOPE troopers) were Rey succeeding at the Jedi mind trick, and Rey managing to force pull Anakin's lightsaber out of Kylo's force grasp.
>They're not part of the actual Sith Order and aren't called Sith, but we don't know enough to even tell what makes them different.
No Sith to pass on that knowledge = no Sith tricks or knowledge. That means no Lightening powers or super subtle Sith mind manipulation, Sift saber techniques or Sith crafting.
They're just kind of bad guys with red lightsabers. They're on the "Dark side" but not explicitly sith.
Given that it obviously didn't give him much of an edge, it might be Kylo trying that hoping it'll work because he's tired, angry and frustrated. It's like hitting an old TV that's not working, it's not going to do shit but people will do it anyway.
>It would have made his appearance in the woods spookier too
>Rey: "No! It can't be! How did you get here before us?"
>Kylo: "Ah..."*punch* "uh, how did I, JJ?"
>JJ: "Well ya got me. By all accounts, it doesn't make sense."
>Kylo: *punch* "Oh well." *punch* "Back to business."
What's so funny? That's exactly what it is.
>Shakespearean tragedy is the classification of drama written by William Shakespeare which has a noble protagonist, who is flawed in some way, placed in a stressful heightened situation and ends with a fatal conclusion.
Anakin Skywalker is the noble protagonist(which he is most of the time, he's trying to do what's right for those he cares for). Therein lies his flaw, his inability to let go of attachment. He's taken from his only family, his mother, at a young age and becomes the member of the Jedi Order, where he is told to forget his attachments and control his emotions and is taught by Obi-Wan, who strictly follows the ways of the Jedi and allows little room for Anakin to adjust to this new lifestyle at a reasonable pace.
In AotC, things get even more stressful when he reunites with his childhood crush and begins harboring feelings for her again. They eventually form a relationship and he also loses his mother. He loses an arm to Dooku, then the Clone Wars break out, putting even more stress on him as he is promoted to Knight and is put in charge of a legion of clonetroopers and sent off to fight in a war.
Things come to a point when Padme reveals she's pregnant and he begins having troubling visions of her dying in childbirth. He seeks help from Yoda, who doesn't really tell him what he needed to hear, instead opting to tell him to basically not be attached.
He then seeks out Palpatine, who begins to tell him the wonders of the Dark Side and how it can save her. Anakin is eventually seduced to the Dark Side and in a fateful decision sides against the Jedi. The Dark Side now taking hold, Anakin blindly wipes out the Jedi Order. He duels his former master and "dies" on Mustafar, and is replaced with Vader.
Whether or not you like the execution of the prequels, it's all there. This doesn't even factor in the stress of teaching a padawan in TCW only to have her not rejoin the order.
I doubt that, he can unconsciously resist concussive force that can throw people but struggles with normal people?
Nah, it's a goof on their part. Having him get his side blown open and go hurtling into the trench with Han and then appearing in the woods would have shown how tough he was far more effectively than
>Translation: YOU KILLED MY BEST FRIEND, I'M SETTING MY BOWCASTER TO LOW TO SHOOT YOU NOW
>implying phasma vore wouldn't be the hottest shit
>>Translation: YOU KILLED MY BEST FRIEND, I'M SETTING MY BOWCASTER TO LOW TO SHOOT YOU NOW
Tidbits from early drafts.
>Rey would originally meet Luke in Jakku and he'd guide her in the ways of the Force.
>McGuffins included Darth Vader's remains, a weapon buried in the remains of the Death Star, and a scroll unraveling secrets of the Force.
>Poe would die.
I know you're trying to rationalize it, but I'm sure your point is meaningless.
It also implies that it can't kill people at "normal" range then since a normal blaster would have still killed.
>Poe would die.
>tfw Finn didn't get this reaction from her in the film
>tfw no girl will ever see you this way
Prepare my ship Captain, I wish to leave this Asteroid Feeld at once
That's honestly genius compared to what we got.
Because we could have had another Kylo moment with him down there with Han's body or seeing visions or something as he recovers from the fall.
The motivation isn't enough to make them Sith if they don't know shit about being Sith. If they haven't obtained any of the Sith trade, than you're just some kind of a Sithaboo wanting to be like the pros.
Most people in the Star Wars universe seem to understand at least a dozen different languages, and force sensitives seem adaptive enough to be able to learn hundreds (if not thousands) of different languages really quickly. That or Jedi have a force power to understand just about anyone and anything, I forget which is the case.
It was a lot less emotional. The dialogue is the same and they hug, but none of the romantic implications of that passage at all. And then Han breaks it up saying "Escape now, hug later."
About the New Republic, the First Order and the Resistance.
At the start of the movie, he was fresh and alert.
When he got shot, he was clearly emotionally fucked up, due to the fact that Han didn't even try to push him away despite everything, and him realising he wasn't the biggest bully in the playground anymore.
It's less about what they say and more about the tone. If R2 sounds angry or scared, then Luke can tell because he hears the tone. Besides, protocol droids like Threepio and viewscreens like the one in Luke's X-Wing can translate exactly what's being said.
Basically. With the Inquisitors for example, we know they're nowhere near as powerful and don't have the same level of powerlust that the Sith have. Even so, they're still Sith servants so they fall under the Sith umbrella even if they're not actual Sith themselves, so any similarities are understandable.
If you introduced a different group that's unrelated to the Sith you should have a few major differences between them.
He's the glue that brings everyone together. He helps Poe escape, helps BB-8 complete his mission, causes Rey to have to leave Jakku which causes Han to find the Falcon again. Finding the Falcon is what brings him back to Leia and ultimately to his son, brings Rey to Maz and the Lightsaber which awakens her to the Force. He is the catalyst for it all, literally the will of the Force being carried out unwittingly by this one man who has a crisis of conscience and sets in motion the whole story.
Well yeah. From a movie standpoint the New Order is functionally the same as the Empire. The Knights of Ren are functionally just the Sith, and the Resistance are functionally just the Rebels.
In what ways motivationally do the Sith really differ from the Knights that we know thus far?
W-why didn't they just get the Empire to surrender unconditionally or something?
Like seriously this is like Liberating France and going, 'eh, let's just make a deal with the Nazis and hope they and the Russians kill each other'
Star Wars really is the story of how bad guys win because good is dumb.
No one's denying it has flaws, but the positives far outweigh the negatives for most of us. I'm not too bent out of shape about it basically being a remake of ANH, but if the sequel is a remake of Empire then I'll probably get pissed. I can't really fault them for playing it safe and sticking with the template for the first outing though.
Yeah but the way the movies setup, all that stuff could really just happen by itself without him and narratively the movie would be absolutely no different. That's just him taking responsibility and intervening in all that with extra steps, the fact that he did it all by incident sort of negates him having any purpose in the film.
The Sith had a rule of two because they constantly murdered each other in the past. (in the EU at least)
There are seven knights of Ren and Snoke. Maybe they aren't backstabbing lunatics like the Sith?
>Star Wars really is the story of how bad guys win because good is dumb.
No, because you're honestly behaving very stupidly right now.
What happened with the New Republic allowing the FO order to form because they didn't want to keep going to war with them and made a treaty is the exact same thing that's happened countless times through human history and should be aware of already.
Right down to a band of "terrorists/freedom fighters" being formed to harass the newly recognized state.
THIS SHIT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW EVEN, HOLY FUCK I WANT TO PUNCH YOU
Parts of the Empire were kinda whiny bitches about it and held onto their equipment as soon as the chain of command broke down. Since those parts would've raised hell and shot up everywhere if they were forced to compromise, the republic just let them be.
It's more like if Germany was defeated by Nazi colonies, camps and holdouts still existed throughout the middle east but it was too much effort to go to war with them and delay peace back home.
That's probably why they're such pussies. No fear of death or betrayal means they aren't using the dark side efficiently. Ren has to backstab some of his knights so they can stop being little bitches already.
No, literally none of that would have happened without him. Poe would have died on that ship. BB-8 would just continue living with Rey in the desert. She would never become a Jedi. Luke would remain in exile. Han would continue being a smuggler with Chewie and trying to ignore how sad he is. The Falcon would continue to sit there rusting and unused. The New Republic and Resistance would be obliterated. It ALL happened because the Force manifested in his choice to run.
Given that Kylo's the leader of the Knights despite being half trained, I suspect Snoke keeps them in line by dangling the carrot of advancement in front of them, while holding the stick of being too strong to fuck with.
With Luke out of the picture, he couldn't have forseen how this would backfire spectacularly.
It also means that it's almost certainly killed off the idea of hundreds of jedi surviving order 66 and past RoTJ, since they'd be powerful enough to challenge the knights. It also means we won't have to retread the same fucking concept time and time again, but sadly means Ezra, Kanan and Ashoka are almost certainly fucked or will retire.
> Poe would have died on that ship.
Poe could pilot it himself just fine. Having a partner to deflect those auto-miss turrets is just a bad excuse to have Finn around.
>BB-8 would just continue living with Rey in the desert. She would never become a Jedi.
The only thing Finn does is somehow get BB-8 to reveal the location of the resistance. The stormtroomers still would've come after it anyway, she could've piloted and got onto the Falcon and everything else would've played out the same.
>Luke would remain in exile. Han would continue being a smuggler with Chewie and trying to ignore how sad he is.
> The Falcon would continue to sit there rusting and unused.
Until Rey came in and offset this.
Rey is literally the reason all of that happened, Finn's presence was just incidental.
> It ALL happened because the Force manifested in his choice to run.
This is just woo, from a viewers perspective and narrative standpoint behind the 4th wall the same could be said for Rey. Why didn't the "force" just manifest to her and have her do the same things? He's not really needed, his motivations to run away don't serve as a catalyst for anything in the story.
>Poe could pilot it himself just fine. Having a partner to deflect those auto-miss turrets is just a bad excuse to have Finn around.
He would have died on the Finalizer, not the TIE Fighter.
>Poe could pilot it himself just fine. Having a partner to deflect those auto-miss turrets is just a bad excuse to have Finn around.
Poe never would have made it to a fighter and died as he fled unless that thing had a hyperdrive added (unlikely)
Finn is Leia, their choices lead to the downfall of the Death Star. The End.
>I never liked Star Wars
What the fuck? Where are you even from?
You really don't get it. Honestly, how is this too complicated for you? Poe would have died on the Star Destroyer, there was no escape for him without Finn. Rey would never have left Jakku without meeting Finn and being forced to because they were shooting at him. This is really simple stuff, anybody with a basic understanding of how the Force works in the rest of Star Wars should be able to see how all of this was pre-destined to happen because of him.
I'd actually like to see a subplot resolving around Hux getting paranoid about Phasma after her garbage compactor adventures and trying to stop her from actively leading the troops that'd lead to this. Not going to happen, though, and we'll be lucky if they both won't just die to make sure only Kylo gets any development
Why does it matter who started it?
This is a movie meant for entertainment. Finn being the catalyst is purely a plot device. Do you just want to feel like a special snowflake because hes your favorite character?
What exactly is the point you are trying to make?
You're a retard. You got corrected for saying retarded things. Entirely your own fault that you couldn't understand a simple film. Just leave kid, you obviously don't belong here.
>one guy says "It's jar-jar!" when everyone's clapping for LUCASFILM LTD
>no one else said anything remotely stupid otherwise afterwards
>while waiting to be let in the theatre, some fan-boys were talkin extended universe, old and new
>the more vocal of them exhibited his very back-and-forth taste by approving highly of some not-Vong-or-thrawn post ROTJ stuff, then some canon novels, and then Swtor shit, and back to canon stuff
>mfw hearing that roller coaster of opinions for 40 minutes
His point is that you're an idiot.
Finn was essentially Leia+the droids combined from ANH. If not for them going down to the -DESERT PLANET- and running into -HERO- and getting onboard the Falcon the -SUPERWEAPON- would never be destroyed.
>Make narrative criticism
It has nothing to do with that. The marketing campaign makes him out to be the main character but he hardly does anything but stumble about throughout the whole movie. If he grew and matured he might be like Luke, but that was Rey's role in TFA.
Having an entire character whose motivation is running away and being entirely incompetent gets pretty annoying.
Think of it this way, in any other movie without a concept like 'The force' we would've called that a contrivance at best or asspull at worst.
I liked that they've discontinued everything that kept me interested in Star Wars for over two decades for a bad movie that was more or less a fan-adaption of A New Hope.
Oh wait, no I don't.
I'm legitimately disappointed in this film. It's not just that they got rid of the EU, I had hopes the TFA would at least be fresh and interesting. And for the record, Kylo Ren is the worst villain in the history of Star Wars. And yes, I'm including Anakin "not the younglings" Skywalker in ROTS.
>bad guys win because good is dumb.
That wasn't even me anon, way to go. Nice rebuttal, throwing out insults like that.
>Finn was essentially Leia+the droids combined from ANH
This would be fine if he didn't get the most screentime and wasn't treated as the main character. As is it's like we spent most of the movie following one of the static side characters who did less than anything other than be a plot device.
Imagine if in the prequels we spent the majority of the movie having Jarjar stumble onto saving everyone and being the catalyst of the movie. And the orders were to go AFTER BB-8, not Finn. Rey had Finn. They would've gone after her anyway and she could've got the instructions from the droid and boarded the Millennium falcon, met Chewy and Han, got herself captured, rescued herself and defeated Job-Ren all the same.
Doesn't make sense no matter how good his armor is, he should go flying from the force of it. You don't wear armor and get by a car going 100mph and simply hunker over instead of going through the air.
>The marketing campaign makes him out to be the main character
Nope, just the lightsaber wielder in order to hide Rey as the Force user. But we already knew Rey was the official main character before the film even came out
>Think of it this way, in any other movie without a concept like 'The force' we would've called that a contrivance at best or asspull at worst.
Nope, Finn made choices and became a hero along the way like many characters in fiction have. The End
Im not even the guy you were fighting with
Just calling you out for being a retard.
You think each character is supposed to fit an archtype that matches an OT character.
Finn isnt Han, Rey isnt Luke, Poe isnt Leia. Finn is Finn, Rey is Rey and Poe is Poe. You are a moron and honestly you should try to have sex.
I'm more upset that he's this skilled jedi knight but is dumb enough to get caught offguard by wookiefire, than the fact that it didn't blow him away.
It was a weird choice making such a clusy, immature and ineffectual villain, especially when the others (Like Phantasm) had so little presence.
You are both completely unintelligent. You got BTFO. Just go back to /tv/, you aren't welcome here and are doing nothing but shitposting because you can't handle being proven wrong.
>I'm more upset that he's this skilled jedi knight but is dumb enough to get caught offguard by wookiefire
He was still caught up in the moment of killing his own father and what it was doing to him. We know he's both good and evil according to the official guide because he's got a balance of light and dark in him and he even talks about the pull to the light he feels. He needed some time after killing his only father and he was defenseless, it made sense.
You're an idiot, Finn's character is fine and makes perfect sense within the film.
Eh, he's better than Boba in that he actually gets to do some cool stuff.
Its hammy Christoper Lee, that's always fun
I'll give you this one, even more dissapointing coming after Clone Wars
Jesus, this is the most complex shit I've ever tried to play. I can't keep up with all these controls.
you really are stupid arent you?
When did I ever say Finn was pointless?
my only post in this thread is
I just said that the new characters are original and not trying to copy the OT characters
Do you have reading issues?
>You're an idiot, Finn's character is fine and makes perfect sense within the film.
Not really. He was a fun side character who got the hype and screen time role of a main character. The entire film should've been about Ren.
Like how the hell she can be so knowledgeable bout Force Sensitive abilities when Luke and Anakin had to be taught those for years but she just, stumbles upon them apparently?
He's not pointless, the movie just gave us less to be excited about than we went in expecting.
You're embarrassingly stupid, the movie is an intentional rehash. Done well admittedly, but the characters DO share INTENTIONAL similarities to the original trio
THIS WAS OFFICIALLY STATED
>Like how the hell she can be so knowledgeable bout Force Sensitive abilities when Luke and Anakin had to be taught those for years but she just, stumbles upon them apparently?
WE ARE GOING TO GET THIS POST FOR TWO FUCKING YEARS
WE DO NOT KNOW, IT WILL BE EXPLAINED, FUCCCCCCCK
She's going to have some monologue pleading guilty but Hux/Snoke will deem her too useful to punish, it'll be explained she takes a more prominent role to make up for that. That's what seems like the most likely option to me at least.
1. New Hope
2. Empire Strikes Back
3. Attack of the Clones
4. Revenge of The Sith
5. Return Of The Jedi
6. The Force Awakens
>But what about the Phantom Menace?
You COULD watch it, but now with 'The Force Awakens' it has rendered it totally skipable and unnecessary. The only true casualty from that movie was Jake Lloyd, he didn't fare well, poor guy.
>Finn, is there a garbage compactor on this level?
>Like how the hell she can be so knowledgeable bout Force Sensitive abilities when Luke and Anakin had to be taught those for years but she just, stumbles upon them apparently?
We already know this.
-Born into wounded Force spectrum
-Sith shrine attacking him and all other lightsiders
-Knows nothing of Jedi and Force
-Gets a friendly introductory lesson
-Hand is held each time he uses the Force
-Doesn't know anything outside of Ben
-Born into universe with a healed Force spectrum (at balance)
-Sith shrine is dead
-Knows of Jedi and the Force from stories
-Trial by fire experiences the Force as its forced upon her through visions and Kylo connecting with her
-Forced to use the Force violently in order to survive
-Knows of techniques in stories that she can try
Their circumstances were completely different.
that poor bastard never stood a chance
Wow this is really funny
shouldnt you be in some Sheev thread on /tv/ now?
/co/ is a board for people with respect. You need an anger therapist because something about you is not right. Only people with serious mental deficiencies would talk like this.
I really feel bad for you. Im not even in this argument, dont even know what its about but I noticed your posts and its very embarrassing for you. Good thing this is anonymous for your sake
Yeah I think the point was a message both in the Star Wars story and the meta. The original trio has become too old to continue the fight. It is Star WARS after all so there is always going to be a conflict. This time though it might be best to let the next generation take care of it, hence this film was more like the OT but with the older guys passing the torch to the next group of heroes to keep the fight alive.
>Meta:Harrison's too damn old to keep doing this shit, Carrie's still a nervous wreck, and Mark can't do this alone.
>he's implied to be alive in Aftermath
No, all we know is some damaged Mandalorian armor was found that could be his.
>and Pablo has said they consider him to be alive post-RotJ.
Wrong again. Pablo said the LSG considers him to be "Schroedinger's Fett". He's both alive and dead in the sarlaac until a story pulls him out or confirms him dead.
>Jedi Mind Trick
>advanced jedi technique
she was probably taught it day 2 in jedi school
There's a interview of him on youtube talking about his experiences in high school and college and dude is just rocking back and forth like a PTSD victim. He really did get fucked over.
>actually seriously recommending Machete Order
Why? It doesn't work. Especially for someone who hasn't seen the films before.
Star Wars is meant to be seen linearly. And TFA hasn't rendered TPM invalid.
She probably has an incredibly high Miniclorian count, remember?
You're forgetting about things like
-Force being healed so lightsiders are more powerful
-Belief being part of how well you use the Force
Rey threw herself into it after realizing all the stories she likely fell in love with were true. She was allowed to try repeatedly with some techniques until she got results.
I blame myself more than anything. I don't mind that it's so complex, in fact I kind of appreciate that. It looks like it can be really fun and engaging once you get the hang of it. I just don't think I'll manage.
>Carrie's still a nervous wreck
The poor lady had at least once incident on camera where she showed confused thinking and disorientation. I imagine they cast her daughter to keep her close by on set.
>and how can you consider something that is not even being original as great?
ARE THE SAME
SINCE 10,000 BC
This is the central tenant of The Heroes Journey. We've told all the stories possible, because they already exist in the collective subconscious of man.
What's with all the prequel wank itt?
>Star Wars is meant to be seen linearly. And TFA hasn't rendered TPM invalid.
It's really not. 4,5,6,1,2,3 is the only order that actually makes any sense due to the way George essentially wrote the prequels backwards - information is relayed in the prequels which calls back (or "forward") to the original trilogy, and assumes a knowledge of those events.
There's also the issue of it spoiling the Vader/Luke reveal, not that anyone in 2015 doesn't already know that, and that Leia and Luke are siblings.
Other things like the fact Jango Fett gets so much emphasis purely due to the fandom's love for Boba, but later we barely see Boba, and when we do, he doesn't really do anything.
>ALL STORIES ARE THE SAME
i don't see Luke bending the elements or fighting the fire nation
where exactly did you see the same plot being used
they had too many similar elements. What's even the point of having that film?
>Because ANH wasn't literally made to be a modern day version of the same stories Lucas grew up with
You need to seriously think about what you just said. Because ANH was literally made to be a modern day version of the same stories Lucas grew up with.
>Oh yes it does. Did they explain the force this time using midi-chlorians? Nope.
You think TPM is only there to explain the Force? No.
It shows us the state of the galaxy in the prequels and how it functions. It introduces that the Sith were thought extinct and only just now revealed themselves. It showed that Anakin had attachment problems even from a young age and that Qui-Gon would've been the perfect Jedi Master for him, had he not died.
>2015, nearly 2016
>still misunderstanding midi-chlorians
Just because the PT came out after the OT doesn't mean they have to be watched that way. I've seen chronological order many times, 2 times recently with a marathon stream this one dude from the thread hosted. The saga works just fine, I never felt like any information was missing.
If you watch in release order, it spoils the Palpatine is Sidious reveal in Episode 3. This is an actual thing if you watch in order for your first viewing.
Jango Fett getting emphasis doesn't make the OT necessary first. Instead, we see Jango and a young Boba, and later see an adult Boba following his father's line of work.
Having now seen TFA, what villain will Benicio Del Toro play in Episode VIII?
Are they going to introduce another darkside user?
>He's using the force and bending reality with his mind.
"bending reality with his mind" you just made that up, and even if true, bending reality =/= bending elements
>Who are an evil empire.
arguably they're not evil, and even then they have different goals, methods, beliefs, culture and weapons.
You're just nitpicking details to find differences when they are essentially serve the same elements in the story.
"Big chosen hero has to fight the evil bad guys to liberate people." Is the crux of it.
So is he the best pilot in the entire Canon so far?
>that one shot of him destroying a ton of tie fighters