Got into this series recently and wanted to run the series so far.
I'm not sure if it was a good or a bad marketing move to tweak the Kyle Rayner fans this hard, but it made for some hilarious internet rage.
No problem, thanks for reading and keeping the thread bumped.
Probably bad, unfortunately
A lot of Kyle fans don't like how he's treated in the book so saying the Omega Men killed him made them not want to read it, and a lot of Kyle fans didn't even know he was in the book
Only a very small percent of them have any taste, apparently
Yeah, I think if they'd marketed it more as "Kyle and the Omega Men" it might have lasted longer.
I don't know how anyone liked Mary Sue Kyle, this is the book that made me stop hating him.
Depends on where you ask. On CBR, where characterfags are very prevalent, they hate it, because he should be the GREAT LANTERN EVER.
On Reddit, Kyle fans were rooting for him to die, because they were tired of the White Lantern bullshit. So they were disappointed when he was still alive. Then issue #2 dropped with the mirror scene, and they were shocked and happy to see a well-written Kyle once again.
Wouldn't have expected reddit to be the place with taste. CBR is always terrible.
>Yeah, I think if they'd marketed it more as "Kyle and the Omega Men" it might have lasted longer.
I wouldn't have read it if they had marketed it as another Kyle book.
This book is amazing.
/r/dccomics has a lot of fans that care more about writers than fictional characters. Or they have their favorite characters, but want them to be written by good writers, not like the Jason Todd fans of CBR
Same, by the time New Guardians ended I hated his stupid face, I was vainly hoping he was going to die for real in Omega Men, but then by issue 2 I was shocked at how fast King had fixed him and made him likable again
Then of course a bunch of fans get whiny because he's not the best most special snowflake anymore this author clearly doesn't understand him!!!
I probably wouldn't have read it, either. I would have thought it was more obnoxious Kyle wank. That's the paradox of it.
>I wouldn't have read it if they had marketed it as another Kyle book.
This. Sacrificing the integrity of the story so you can sell a few more copies(let's face it, it wouldn't have sold much better even if it were marketed that way and wouldn't have gone past 12 issues) is just pure wrong. I applaud King for how good the series is and I applaud DC for giving him such artistic freedom, something very rare nowadays at the big two.
The only thing King didn't fix is killing Kyle/Carol, but Carol's offpage instead of badly characterized and I even find the bits from Kyle's side endearing.
I'm really glad DC uncancelled it. Seems like it will make a great self-contained 12 issue run.
Also you're right that in the post-Johns era selling it as a GL book wouldn't have helped much.
I'd like to see if King could sell it for me on Carol's side or if that's beyond his talents.
The covers are so great.
It does become clear, but I wish the first issue had come with a nice map of the Vega system so I could keep the planet names straight.
I really like the descriptions of each world.
That's pretty much it. It's all about the brands.
Malicious code my ass.
That would be best. I don't know if they're even going to meet again.
The only thing about killing Kyle/Carol is I don't want it to be done to make Carol look like more of a bitch than usual. It's for her sake that I hate it.
Such a great page.
Storytiming's more fun when I can get a bit of discussion going.
I'd have preferred pretending it never happened, but a nice amicable break-up that doesn't make either look like a dick will do.
I'm a completionist.
Of course he would draw her old costume.
There's something I love about Kyle's origin. Just the image of him stepping into an alley and getting the ring carelessly flicked to him.
I like that this issue isn't hung up on the specifics and New 52 retcons or whatever. It's vague in a very accessible way, I think.
Was that a New 52 thing or earlier? I haven't actually read much Kyle.
Hey comic book writers this is how you establish characterization without labeled boxes. Everyone has their own actions and speech patterns to set them apart. Take notice, Lobdell, Pfeiffer, Bunn, Daniel
But Alex in the fridge is like... his thing. The girl there doesn't even have black hair.
>DC uncancelled it
You know, now that I think about it this is pretty disturbing. DC uncancelles his book even though it sold worse than shit. Marvel reprints his other book that sold just as shit in something that is apparently expected to sell.
One of them really should drop the act and just offer him a blowjob and some cash.
Oh Kyle, you sucker.
Dumbass fuckup Hal is like half of why he's my favorite.
Well, DC didn't realize how good it was until creators (probably Scott Snyder) told them to uncancelled it.
Marvel knows that it's good, and is doing everything it can to make it their new Hawkeye
He's like the guy of the year. Like when people were crazy about Nick Spencer or everyone was on the Soule train. And he was in the CIA.
I thought it was just getting called on their promise. They're even going to print the second half of Prez as a sequel, right?
Jim Lee said that creators were pushing for it to get its 12 issues. Other books like Doomed and Lost Army stayed canceled.
And Scott Snyder, who's probably the second one powerful writer at DC, had been tweeting about how good it is. Now to think of it, I think Geoff Johns has been shilling King as well.
I see. I can't bring myself to give a shit about Doomed not getting 12 issues, promise or no promise.
The best part was he only got chosen because he didn't want to wait to take a piss. The line to the bathroom was long so he was gonna do it in the alley. Then Ganthet poffed in and said take this shit yo.
Slightly less poetic than "the other side of the coin."
Now for the most recent issue.
It's funny that I started hating Kyle for being "Space Jesus" and here they're explicitly using that imagery in an infinitely more likable way.
The End... for now.
Thanks for reading, and consider picking up issue #7 on December 30th if you weren't already planning to!
Anyone else glad that Kyles religion isnt being treated as a joke here?
A lot of writers these days treat Christianity as a joke and go full fedora or the use of Christianity is to fuel some crazy villain that god told em to do it.
I like the way King treats religion here. He condemns religious institutions that exploit people's faiths for profit, but he also portrays using religion to find inner strength in a positive way
It's a little weird though because while being Mexican was a thing for him, he wasn't a very religious person by any stretch of the word. His mom just made him learn Gaelic shit.
This was worth expanding. Here. Have a common kek.
I think it goes beyond that. Without inviting too much of a SJW vs anti SJW clusterfuck, this book does a couple of incredibly rare things for comics. Sectarian conflict. Religious persecution. It has literal christfaggotry without going full edgy fedora or JEEBUS SAVES.
It's almost frank miller in his prime sort of good in this regard, but with more nuance.
He was good about it in his GL one shot too
I also enjoy how completely differently he has Hal and Kyle treat religion. Kyle turns to it in a crisis, Hal attempts to turn to it in a crisis but it only makes him angrier and he turns it into a moment shaped more by his own ego.
God I'm so glad what this book is doing for Kyle, too bad afterwards he'll probably go back to terrible White Lantern wank
It was a hell of a way to get attention.
It made me immediately think, "So the Lanterns curbstomp this entire fucking sector right?" but that's a bad story and Tom King loves Green Lanterns sucking so.
Silver Age "I will rescue you and cart you back to Zamaron to serve as my submissive concubine" old school, or Englehart psycho bitch "I will murder you and anyone who looks like you" old school?
"You kidnapped and fucked my boyfriend, I am going to set your planet on fire." old school. So maybe she has to be talked down from going full Englehart.
Like I guess she can be America bombing its way through the conflict or something, but I feel like the Omega Men taking a Lantern and bragging about it should have consequences for both the Citadel and the Omega Men. What was essentially a regional conflict just went galactic.
I don't think that's where the story's going to go, but that's the only beat that rings false to me so far.
Oh I thought you meant she'd get pissed at Kyle for banging the princess. I'd like Carol to the rescue.
I think the conceit is that no one outside the Vega system really knows what's going on, because Kyle made this deal on his own, and the video was just sent to the Citadel. Unless I'm being stupid and there's something that contradicts that.
Either way I'd think someone is starting to get concerned.
>It made me immediately think, "So the Lanterns curbstomp this entire fucking sector right?"
Way, way back in the bronze age they made a pact that Lanterns will never interfere with the Vega system's business. So they can't really do that unless they want war. Which they probably don't. And the GLs are kind of lost at the moment anyway.
I'm not 100% but I think Alpha/Omega are completely unrelated to Darkseid/Highfather.
If I read/understood correctly, before the Citadel was called the Citadel, it was the Empire of Alpha, named after their first emperor and God.
Eventually, the Empire conquered a bunch of space, including a solar system that knew/worshiped Alpha but also worshiped another god, Omega.
They believed Alpha, god of kings and emperors, had died but would one day return as Omega, god of the low, the poor, the beggars. That's about all we know from the comic about the two, I think.
Oh, next issue is gonna take place on the world said to be Alpha's grave.
That's why they gotta kill people every day.
Gotta grow up to be a badass conqueror like Alpha.
Or is that just their system for keeping their planet's populace under control?
Does it even matter?
I love Tom King.
There's not really anybody who could come try to rescue him even if they were willing to break the pact
Saint Walker got captured, the indigos are mostly dead, the greens are all gone, Sinestro wouldn't spit on Kyle if he was on fire, the reds are mostly dead and also don't care, Carol is hopefully not so stupid now that she'd go in and start a war, etc
I guess since hobo Hal is not technically a GL he could go in but he's got his own shit to worry about
Since they didn't give me a map, I'll have to make my own shitty one.
Is Scrapps from Hyn'xx?
I'm not sure if that's where he's from, but he found the orange lantern there on Okaara. But Okaara doesn't seem to be in King's version of the Vega system.
Tamaran, Starfire's planet, also used to be in the Vega system. And the planet Fatality was from, but John blew that up anyway.
>THE OMEGA MEN #7
>The Omega Men’s mysterious plan for Kyle Rayner comes to fruition as the former Green Lantern is forced to make the biggest decision of his life—one that could cost millions of lives. Secrets are finally revealed in an epic climax that will change the balance of power in the DC Universe.
>THE OMEGA MEN #8
>The Omega Men are back as their space-spanning series continues! The team’s mysterious plan for Kyle Rayner reaches its shocking endgame when the outlaws bypass the energy shield surrounding the off-limits world of Voorl! In doing so, will they discover the true cost of life in Vega?
>THE OMEGA MEN #9
>With her grand plans for Kyle Rayner completely shattered, Princess Kalista finds herself with no choice but to follow the former Green Lantern into the deadly heart of the Citadel to persuade the Viceroy to do the impossible: make peace with the Omega Men.
Getting rid of Hal and introducing a younger GL instead was an editorial mandate, yeah
Gerard Jones was supposed to write him out too although his plot didn't involve Hal becoming a villain
Jones also quit/got booted from the book at the last minute so Marz was a very late addition. I don't know if he came up with the Parallax stuff or if it was the editors (or both) though
Basically if you hate ET or what it did you should be upset at Dooley and Berganza because the majority of it is their doing
Very self-contained. No interaction with other books, just a handful of quick references to other Kyle/GL stories. The Omega Men, while not new characters, are given a new origin and different characterization, so for them this is pretty much a reboot. Series will end at issue 12, we are currently on 6.
Sort of, but not quite. In the age of Imperialism they would do this sort of thing, play one group off the other, and actually import them and keep them in constant conflict to prevent an unified rebellion against the colonizing country.
An oversimplified version is,
Citadel= Brittan imports Brahmin= Ashenkazi Jews to rule over the Natives = Palestinians. That's not quite what happened, historically there.
It's closer to the shit they did in india, pakistan and S.E. asia., which is one reason why the author chose Brahmin. Britan would migrate a bunch of bengali muslims into Burma, for example.
I question whether this is great. It's different enough for the retards who hate 'capeshit'. The dialogue is purposefully painful to read. It's not worth the effort for me to work past the cramped art and tortured script and tangled narrative to get into. But I'm glad other people enjoy it. They shouldn't be so pretentious about it, but still.
Yeah, März wanted to be edgy (Women in Fridges started in his run on Lantern). He thought Hal destroying the Corp would bring the EDGE. Ironic considering he is one of the biggest fascists in the industry.