Edition VII: Attack of the Shills
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Another thread for prequel babies to bitch that the new movie isn't "George's vision"
>George Lucas threatening that dude
What a fucking asshole
I know what he usually sounds like, but here he sounds like his tongue is numb or something. It can't be just due to age because he sounded like his usual self in that CBS interview a few weeks ago
That's Frank Marshall, he's friends with Lucas and Spielberg and he's worked with them for decades (along with Kathleen Kennedy, who's also his wife). They're just ribbing each other since Marshall produced Jurassic World which has been the big box office giant of the year (until now anyway).
The lady is SUPER nervous. Standing next to George like that. Heck, I'm sure he is too. This is kinda a big deal for everyone.
...wait, what did he just say? He has a TWO year old daughter? Isn't he like....70?
Gravity is the result of symbiotic microscopic organisms called Midi-Clingions living in our cells and in rocks and shit. Without them we wouldn't be able to cling to the Earth and we'd float off. Shit, dude, everybody knows this.
His kids showed up in the Prequels. So did he. They were Pantorans, or blue people. Not to be confused with Pandorans, this is really important. His son, too, but nobody talks about Jett much.
No, he does have a two year old daughter with his second wife Mellody Hobson. That brings him to a total of four kids, though this is the first one that's biologically his (Amanda, Katie and Jett were all adopted).
From what I've read the prevailing opinion is that it is a near exact clone of A New Hope (ironic) but also that it doesn't really matter.
Been listening to the soundtrack and while it is hardly a surprise that the music has so many familiar elements, John Williams being John Williams, it's amusing how much March of the Resistance sounds like the Battle Droid theme mixed with elements of The Last Crusade.
Kylo Ren is probably my favourite character in Star Wars now. Many fans will disagree, but I really love how immature and vulnerable he was. In fact, if he already was as strong and menacing as Vader, he wouldn't be interesting at all because it wouldn't suit the character. He is hated by everyone, manipulated by Snoke and even his own soldiers don't want to go near him. He is a frustrated and angry character and this is the first time I have ever felt a Star Wars villain acting like a real human being. Driver's performance was beautiful and you could feel the strong chemistry between him and Ford. Amazing.
I thought he was great as the antagonist for the first movie in the new trilogy, but I don't see him as a strong enough character to remain a credible villain for the remaining films.
He said master. Also, Finn may be a Leonis. He was taken from his parents at a young age. Also, does exceedingly well in his Stormtrooper training like Zare and Dhara according to Before the Awakening.
Did anyone else think the reveal of Ren's lineage was really poorly done?
They should have had skipped directly to Ren jacking off to Vader's helmet, that would have been a much better way to handle it.
Finn doesn't have anything to define him. Being nice and brave isn't enough in the Star Wars Universe. Rey and Poe are also nice and brave and yet they have skills that define them. Finn doesn't have that, and it has to be addressed going forward.
Eh, I don't like how Luke doesn't seem remorseful or sad when he meets Rey. 4 planets and billions of sentients just went boom, which could have been prevented by Luke... and he just looks curious more than anything when meeting Rey.
Pretty silly that the New Republic had no fucking warships ready to jump into the fight against the Starkiller when its location is known.
Muh muh it took them all out! Sure it did. They were all parked planetside, right? None out on patrol, on port calls, on bases outside of the few planets?
Blah. Minimalism runs rampart.
It probably took them a while to reorganize, since you know they're government was destroyed. Also starkiller base is mobile. And we no the New Republic doesn't have great military strength.
It eventually is.
How hard for the resistance to call in help? It's not like they aren't working for the Republic behind the scenes.
They should have had at least dozens of warships capable of action. Not all would have been on disaster duty.
So I went on /tv/ to see what the Star Wars discussion was like.
That place really is a cesspool.
> mfw Disneybabies argued against the UE by saying that the Empire finding Luke's hand and his lightsaber was a shitty idea
> mfw Disneybabies argued against the UE by saying that all the Imperial superweapons were silly as fuck
> mfw Episode 7 has both of those
>the new movie isn't "George's vision"
But it is George's vision. In fact, I already saw this movie back then in eighties, except with worse special effects and characters that weren't pathetic losers.
>All objects with mass distort the four-dimensional fabric of space-time such that it produces a gravity well. This produces an attractive force between all objects with mass.
Not even that guy, but that's a description, but not an explanation.
>Finn doesn't have anything to define him.
Being an example of every nigger stereotype that one can use without outright introducing space ghettoes does not count?
Whether that is "anything good" is another question.
>man, why was kylo vs. finn way better than kylo vs. rey. they really phoned in the choreography.
Because in our age "strong female character" is an oxymoron. The very idea of females actually having to walk the walk is anathema. So while a male on male fight could be a brutal affair, where an underdog is gradually torn apart by a massively superior opponent, while still managing to get in a couple of telling blows, in a male on female fight the female has to win and has to win cleanly, without actually having so suffer for her victory, and even if she has to lose because she is a mook, she is still entitled to being cleanly defeated in one shot, instead of being methodicaly and brutally beaten down.
This is why I hate liberals. It's not impossible to make strong female characters. There are many of them. Even in star wars there are girls who kick ass and are believeable, yet people jew jew abrams phone it in and jerk themselves off about having women characters like they invented it when their women characters are shit.
That's true. I can hardly think of many examples where women ever experience the losing end of a fight. Ryuuko in KLK is the most recent I can think of, but that's Japan.
I don't see Finn coming back or being a major player in the next two movies. His story is told, he's joined into the folds of the Resistance. Poe we know is confirmed to return. I have a feeling the story in episode 8 will focus on him.
Saw the movie. Have many opinions but need to vent this:
Hollywood needs to cut this Mary Sue "strong female character" bullshit. Rey has NO arc, NO development, and it's because she masters literally everything put in front of her in a matter of seconds. If she has no trials, how can we care about her triumph?
And it's totally because she's "the girl", because Finn is allowed to fail and then rise against adversity. This is just the same old sexism in a new, SJW-approved format (because lip service is paid to her literal strength).
She does have an arc, though. She's waiting for a family that abandoned her and stubbornly clings to Jakku when she could leave, fights against getting dragged away from Jakku even when conflicted about returning BB-8 and helping Finn out, but gets shaken up by Han's kindness and the possibility of living on the Falcon and admits to herself that she doesn't have to stay on the desert shithole planet. Then when Han dies she feels personal responsibility and takes the Falcon with Chewie, just like Han had offered. It's a pretty classic "small-town girl spreads her wings" story.
As to her success, I'll give you that her power in the force is pretty crazy but the tech stuff makes sense for someone who's been scavenging Imperial and republic starships for parts and has been tinkering with the Falcon for years. She's notably kinda crap with a blaster and she has no lightsabre technique, only able to parry, swing and thrust, but wins because she used the force, luke.
So Finn gets his ass kicked the whole movie and then ends up in a coma? What the hell were they thinking
on the otherhand
>rey is an expert scavenger
>expert staff fighter
>canfly the falcon without a co-pilot
>is a handy mechanic
>can use the orce with minimal training to fight off kylo
How could such a lopsided juxtaposition happen? Finn loses his friend, gets put in a coma and then gets abandoned by his new friend.
Riot trooper, yo.
>Finn's going around sneaky-stabbing guys with the lightsaber
>this dude drops his shit and takes out his stun-stick
>procedes to go full Ferguson on Finn's ass
>Han has to save him
Guy was fighting with the spirit of all jobbed grunts everywhere.
She doesn't. She's just standing there. Menacingly.
Waste of a good and pretty unique actress, really, especially when you considering how mediocre, both in terms of looks and ability, the guy playing Kylo is. Hell, Hux's actor is better than him.
I think she might be dead, though. They stuffed her in a garbage chute and the planet exploded shortly after.
It's kind of a Boba Fett in ROTJ. She looks cool and shit in promo material but then does sweet fuck-all in the movie itself except get humiliated.
She's going to be either new Boba at worst or new Grievous at best. I wish they'd go nuts and just make her the main villain for a whole movie thus making her new Dooku but that's not happening because it's all going to be Kylo and his angst and Sheev mk. 2. Assuming she's even coming back because Christie said she didn't hear anything about it as of yet.
Also, if all FO troopers are brainwashed/havily indoctrinated, it technically would make sense for her to get a redemption arc later on, but who am I kidding, the only villain allowed any form of redemption will be Kylo.
Why would he? The first mission he makes a concious decision not to murder innocent people, and his former comrades do. So he probably thinks they're all horrible people prepared to kill, and he's fine with killing them if he needs to.
>The very idea of females actually having to walk the walk is anathema.
Didn't she grow up on a shitty scavenger world fighting other scavengers and thugs? It's not like she's helpless or unskilled.
I'm so happy there's discussion on /co/ then anywhere else. Every other boards discussion on the new movies just turns into nigger spam, genetic/IQ arguments and how to commit a fare genocide to all the dark skinned racist on Earth.
My biggest complaint about the movie is how much of a LITERAL Mary Sue the main female lead is. She just happens to be good at everything at all the right times. And her being able to stand toe and toe with Kylo was fucking dumb, she barely had any training compared to his years of training.
>have an actress who actuall looks physically imposing and has some basic knowledge about hand to hand combat for once
>her character goes down without a proper fight
bravo Abrams, you really used the aavailable diverse assets well
I do see one huge upside here, though: I've seen like a dozen people fancasting Christie as Big Barda recently.
She was stronger in the force and Kylo was a weak-willed pussy full of doubt. Snoke explicitly states that Kylo's untrained and the other FO guys talk shit about Kylo.
Their lightsaber fight was a couple of amateurs hacking at each other. That's why Finn who wasn't even force-sensitive could handle Kylo in a fight for a bit.
I kinda hope we'll at the very least see Finn trying to either take more stormtroopers to the rebel side or having doubts about switching sides in some scene where a lot of FO mooks die. It's kinda odd that he lft because his buddy died and because he's sick of indoctrination but then doesn't mind that hundreds of other people like him are killed by the good guys.
>I don't want to be a killer
>Let me go and kill all these Storm Troopers
I wonder if Finn has any potential to be force sensitive. Legends wise its rare that blacks have force powers, something about genetics and lacking certain things to be able for midichorlians to attach themselves to.
>She was stronger in the force and Kylo was a weak-willed pussy full of doubt. Snoke explicitly states that Kylo's untrained and the other FO guys talk shit about Kylo.
>Their lightsaber fight was a couple of amateurs hacking at each other. That's why Finn who wasn't even force-sensitive could handle Kylo in a fight for a bit.
what a load of crap
Well, killing innocent people.
Finn's actually kind of interesting. His motivation in the film is very simple- the First Order is scary and horrible and he wants to run away from them as fast as he can and as far away as possible. He doesn't seem to care much at all about organizations and the war, and teams up with Poe because he needs a pilot to escape. He only has empathy for individuals like Rey and his motivation for putting himself in danger and stopping the First Order is entirely about saving her to the point that he lies to get onto the Starkiller Base, and for the innocent civilians he was ordered to gun down.
He's a simple guy on survival mode.
The mythical casual moveigoer would feel too intimidated by woman who's like, 3 inches taller than him doing anything. In fact so was Jar Jar considering Phasma was meant to be a dude initially and Christie only got the role because her agent was persistent about it, as she said herself a few times.
It's sad how ever y time she gets a role outside of GoT it's just a small cameo. She should just aim at becoming a character actress I guess, because no matter how hard she tries, Hollywood will remain afraid of casting tall women.
Kylo Ren really was the most interesting character. I thought the scene where [spoilers]killed Han[/spoilers] was a legit good moment.
Most people seemed to hate Finn, for me other than it being a bit weird him having no problem killing other Stormtroopers I quite liked him. Brought some levity to the movie.
Rey, well I'm torn about Rey. I can see what people meant by her being a bit of a mary sue. Hell there were moments where she reminded me unpleasantly of Korra.
Just got back from seeing the movie. Pretty good, but what the fuck was the point of Phasma?
All she does is
give Finn some shit at the start, and then gets killed off via a joke.
I mean I know she was meant to be the new Boba Fett, but even he got to shoot his guns.
This. Young Luke :
+ excellent pilot from the get go
+ can do some mechanic (but don't know shit about hyperspace)
+ Can use a blaster, know how to shoot
- No experience in close quarters combat
+ Good pilot (seen like a default force sensitive thing by now)
+ excellent mechanic
+ Know how to fight in close combat
- What's a blaster?
About her character, I think it's not just about
the family that abandoned her and stubbornly clinging to Jakku. She is enthusiastic about the resistance and Han, but it seems pretty clear to me that she just can't imagine being part of this at first. She's just a lowest class scavenger in her mind, having a part in greater things for a few moments (bringing back the droid) is unbelievable but actually being a hero is straight up unthinkable. Hence why she freak out when she's told to walk on freaking Skywalker path.It's like taking a kid from some favelas and asking to solve the middle east conflicts.
I would say that not only she has an arc, but she has a better arc than Luke himself in ANH.
And I don't think she get particularly spared either. Fin get through more sure, but that's because he's more in the forefront of the movie, albeit slightly.
it's just Abrams being bitter he couldn't cast Cumberbatch in this role most likely
I hope she doesn't come back simply because Christie deserves better than this trainwreck, I'll probably still watch next parts for Finn and maybe Luke but I'm honestly not as excited as I used to be after the first trailers. Cleaning up the EU is Disney's only considerable achievement so far
I think it's cool they were self-aware enough to know that everyone would compare Ren to Vader unfavourably and wrote that into his character.
They even make fun of him in the film, that bit where he chucks a tantrum in the torture room and the Stormtroopers are just like "here we go again" was hilarious.
I cannot fathom Kylo being a good character after reading spoilers
Everything about him screams buzzwords like edgelord, faggot and emo, and
Han deserves a better death than getting punked by a punk
>Why didn't they do the 5000ft spaceship practically! REEEEE
The VFX looked fucking great, and the practical effects were in a massive abundance. Anything that could've been done practically, as far as I could see, was.
Can someone explain to me the politics of this movie?
Is the First Order actually in control of a portion of the Galaxy, or are they just some edgy death army? Who exactly are the Resistence? It's said they're getting Republic support, so that would mean they're not actually part of the New Republic.
I know what you're saying and I partially agree. In the film he pissed me off for most of it, but then watching Hux shit-talk him, him embarass himself in front of Snoke, get shot by Chewie and beaten the fuck up by Finn and Rey was really enjoyable.
I liked hating him and laughing at his failure.
That describes the character to a T, but somehow it really works. Kylo is interesting not because he's an awesome badass, but because he's a pathetic loser trying to act like an awesome badass.
Why does a character need to be "fun" to watch. You're not going to enjoy every aspect of a character because you're not going to enjoy every aspect of a person. That's my problem with all this "likeable character" nonsense
See a character for who they are and what they become, not for what you personally like. You guys exaggerate character flaws so much to the point of defining characters by them
I've seen more people doing so on /co/ than on tumblr, honestly, looking at the amount Big Barda or Lady Shiva have here. And at how many people even in this thread seem to be mad mostly because Phasma wasn't physically intmidating (and died as a joke while) Christie herself is. Tumblr seemed more excited for Rey, as far as I can tell.
For the most part, Tumblr just picks random female characters, usually painfully cliche and stereotypical ones like Black Widow and claims that's what they are to justify venerating them for no specific reason.
Average Cumberbatch joke. You've never seen people calling him a reptilian or ayyy lmao? Or notice his uncanny resemblance to one in the first place?
The republic seem to have basically reverted to being incompetent, indolent bureaucrats, a' la beginning of The Phantom Menace. The Resistance seems to be the people who decided to take things into their own hands when they realized the Senate wasn't going to get off its fat ass to do something about the First Order.
Basically the First Order seems to be a small-scale revival of Imperial doctrine. They have enough muscle to raid planets and hire bounty hunters, but IIRC there's only one Star Destroyer seen in the movie, and they didn't built a Death Star just modified an existing planet into one. I'm assuming that they control a few worlds but they aren't a galactic power. They talk in Hux's speech about striking out against the Republic and it gave me vibes of Neo Zeon.
The Republic is restored, but their army was demilitarized because that's how the Old Republic was, I guess? No more unified big army, though C-3P0 refers to a republic fleet so I guess they still have some sort of defense force. The Resistance is supported by the Republic but they're a separate organization trying to fight against the Order like the Rebels did. Basically sanctioned vigilantes?
It's left pretty vague, probably because throwing someone head-first into a cesspool of fictional politics is how the Prequels fucked up.
As I see it, nobody has, as of yet, won the Galactic Civil War. The Empire was defeated and the New Republic was established, but the First Order has come out of that and maintained some of the Empire's territories, while the New Republic is trying to expand to match the classic Republic.
The Resistance is the military the Republic has to deal with the First Order, they defend the burgeoning Republic. At the moment, I think the ratio of control for the two superpowers are about 50/50, but it's probably that they control less than that, and that more territories than ever are independently governed or not governed at all, until one of these sides wins the war.
Man, it sounds like I'll be waiting for Luke to just mercy kill the fucker but of course it won't happen.
Why the hell did he fuck off alone for 40 years? Both protagonists of the previous trilogies are officially failures now. Is Skywalker luck the new Parker luck?
I thought Ren was a perfectly acceptable substitute for Vader and came across as very menacing, right up until he took his helmet off. Then he became a joke. He really should have kept that thing on.
>last time the Republic got rid of its army a Sith lord started a fake war so he could usurp the Republic with the army he created
>Republic gets revived
>get rid of army again because 'hurrdurr muh pacifism'
>They talk in Hux's speech about striking out against the Republic and it gave me vibes of Neo Zeon.
Ah so I wasn't the only one who noticed that. When I first heard about the Resistance I was thinking AEUG to the Republic's Earth Sphere/Titans.
Kylo isn't untrained. The Visual Dictionary and flashback show that. He has years of training from Luke as well as training from Snoke. He's also the Master of the Knights of Ren.
Do you retards realize, that untrained force-users do not stop blaster bolts in mid-air?
The way I understand it is that the New Republic and what's left of the empire are at peace at the beginning of the movie. Well, more like a truce I suppose. The Resistance is the way they found to continue the fight without technically breaking their truce.
If that's the case, the New Republic is going to
strikes backsince blasting whole planetsisn't very diplomatic.
>I've seen more people doing so on /co/ than on tumblr, honestly
I've seen more people doing so in a single JL storytime yesterday than I've ever seen on tumblr but then I rarely go on tumblr
So is there a larger Imperial Remnant out there? And what about Coruscant? Why is the Republic capital some planet we've never heard of before rather than the city-wide planet that was the capital of the Old Republic for millennia?
Snoke literally says at the end of the movie "bring him to me for training".
That's the script itself saying Ren is a scrub. We have no context as to Luke's training or the Knights of Ren, just that in the movie he's strong in the Force enough to stop blaster bolts and grab people but unstable enough to get the crap scared out of him by a girl and unskilled enough with a lightsabre to have trouble beating up someone with no apparent Force sensitivity.
That does not imply that HE HAS NOT TRAINED KYLO, SIMPLY THAT HE HAS NOT COMPLETED HIS TRAINING.
Retard. Even Kylo says he will rely on the training he has received from Snoke.
Fucking Rey was only able to beat him because he took a blaster bolt straight on, was injured by Finn, and very emotionally vulnerable.
Context, retard. It's important.
Dude, come on. Kylo's clearly a total woobie. Snoke's like "okay this guy has been fucking around too long, bring him here and I'll set him straight". The guy's having to intervene to protect his dorky loser of his apprentice.
>ran neo-zeon into the ground
>can not into /ss/, he is 14, far too old
>can't even drank her wine properly
I refuse to actually read Aftermath, so I just have a question about it. How does it justify the Rebellion going from their fleet taking a severe beating from Star Destroyers and the Death Star II at Endor, to being able to take on the combined Imperial Navy toe to toe and overwhelmingly win at Jakku, in only one year?
Phasma's death scene sheds new light on Gwen saying she thinks Phasma and Fett should team up after she was asked who would win
together they'd have a small chance of not dying in an embarassing way
So now that I've seen the movie does anyone have those photos from the visual guide book or whatever yet? I know a couple of pages have been leaked but has the whole thing been scanned/photoed in readable quality?
Actually, Snoke wanted to finally complete his training because he proved himself by killing his father. He wasn't "seduced" by the light which is what Snoke was worried about.
Clearly, Kylo is not a pushover. He demolished Luke's Academy by himself. He was just having the worst day of his life when he fought Rey.
It's astounding how many "fans" don't understand these simple plot points. Especially here.
>playing galaxy of heroes
>Finn and Kylo cost $100 if you don't wanna grind
>Rey is grind only
That's already happening anyway because of the female lead, plus the racism triggered by the black co-lead
Might as well dodge a bullet by making the Vader villain a woman too.
Also someone like Cate Blanchett as the Hux
>Clearly, Kylo is not a pushover. He demolished Luke's Academy by himself.
I still doubt he killed everyone. In the timespan there ought to have been some Jedi that were more skilled than him and/or not even at the Academy because they were out on missions. Kylo doesn't have shit like Order 66 or an entire galactic empire backing him up in search of Jedi.
Rey is a protagonist and Abrams didn't plan her to be a dude, though. I feel like some people here are just panicking because they were too hyped for something unrealistic (that is, not exactly conventionally attractive actress in a prominent role, even if ultimately the only unconventional thing about her is being a head taller than rest of the cast) but there might be some merit in it.
Where is the fapfiction where Phasma forces Rey to eat her out?
Since people are seeing the movie now, let's have a poll.
Please don't vote before you see the movie! It'd make me cry.
......no anon I don't, and in your heart you know this to be true to
Started watching TCW with Rookies. It's a lot better than Rebels has been lately. My favorite part is Grievous and his bridge bunnies.
>Rey and heroes confront Snoke in his chamber
>suddenly room expands into a huge arena
>Snoke removes his cloak, revealing cloven hooves, cybernetics, and a giant rocket launcher arm
>scene where the heroes run the fuck away from him and get saved by Poe flying in with a fucking X-Wing and blowing the arm off
>Snoke's just like "it's not over yet!" and pulls out a lightsaber as big as a ship's mast and starts chopping up the place
It doesn't touch Jakku. Aftermath does not depict the Battle of Jakku.
But as far as I can tell, once the Emperor was dead and the Death Star was destroyed, worlds started defecting en masse, bringing with them tons of people and resources.
So the New Republic was able to pull itself together in a matter of months and be fully functional within the year.
Admiral Rae Sloane wound up controlling the vast bulk of the Imperial fleet through various incidents, including the Empire's only remaining Super Star Destroyer, and was counseled by various commanders on what to do with said fleet. She chose to wield it very cautiously, resulting in some losses due to a lack of fleet support, but keeping the Empire alive enough to eventually stabilize.
No, she's not the new Natasi Daala. For one thing, Sloane is actually pretty smart and relateable rather than being Tarkin's brain-damaged cumslut.
Rae Sloane was introduced as a captain in A New Dawn, the Rebels prequel novel. Which I highly recommend.
If anything, Rae is the new Pellaeon.
Lor San Tekka.
There's next to no info on him. I fully expect the new EU to give him a rich and needlessy complicated backstory anytime soon, though. Or do they not do that anymore?
Anyways, I guess it was cool that Ming the Merciless showed up, but it's a shame he was wasted in a bit role that we'll never see again.
This is Annikin, I've reached the sneaking point.
I wanted a good character not a caricature of the strong perfect female
Rey is literally a stereotype and I have to question JJ on him saying Rey wasn't conceived by gender considering how she's written even Luke and Anakin weren't this good(and anakin was sort of the same character as rey)
I find it racist because nobody seems to give a shit about the characters except their race/sex
>he's a black and kicks ass
>she's a girl and kicks ass
>she's the tomboy daughter of a politican who leads a rebellion
>she's anakin's whiny padawan and you see her grow into a mature young woman
I don't really care about star wars anymore anyway but it annoys me how they keep promoting some "ladies in star wars" agenda like they're doing something new. If the only interesting thing about you're character is what they're not, they're a shit character.
> tfw we may still yet see Thrawn with boobs
>Rey is implied to have grown up in Luke's Jedi Order but got her memory wiped
>Rey is waiting for her family
I bet what's going to happen is she'll find out Luke took her from her family like the Jedi did in the past then when Kylo fucked the Jedi up he wiped her mind (so she wouldn't accidentally reveal she was a Jedi or something) and sent her to Jakku. Then because Kylo completely fucked up the Jedi Order Luke doesn't even know where Rey came from anymore and when she realizes that she will likely never see her family again and that Luke basically did to her what the First Order did to Finn she'll get pissed off and possibly go to the dark side.
>He's a former stormtrooper with a good heart who defected and got roped into the resistance
>She's an orphaned scavenger with a mysterious strong connection to the force
together they fight crime
Ysard literally took one big, long inhale of the Empire's firepower and reacted to it like Charlie huffing glue. Ultimate WILD CARD. She even SPACESHIPPED an ssd right out of Coruscant. So yeah, some good moves because sometimes a clock flailing its hands wildly drunk on power will land on the right time occasionally and haphazardly.
The whole Krytos virus scheme was pretty inspired. Engineer a virus that will force the Rebels to expend the resources to combat and cure. Her mistake was losing Coruscant, since it was pretty much the glue that held the Imperial Remnant together.
Yeah, that's one of my problems with the prequels. Everyone is related, everyone knows each other. It makes a huge and varied universe seem small and uninteresting.
I unironically love that shit, really. I love that you can go and read about the little gremlin that lives in Jabba's palace, or the fucking guy holding an ince cream machine. I hope the new canon honors this tradition. God knows I'm going to read the comic about how C3PO got his red arm.
You need to get this book.
It's only £7.20 at the moment, too. Usually £35. Sorry, it sounds like I'm shilling but it's pretty amazing if you like that kind of stuff.
Worse thing about the movie for me.
Worse than this being basically the plot of the post-Vong EU minus the Vong (well not exactly but close)
Other than force sensing we never see any hint that any of her power improved.
The worst part is it's not just in Star Wars threads like this one, some dickhead might post a TFA spoiler in completely a different thread without warning.
>Hey /ck/, got any good Christmas dinner recipes to share?
>X KILLS Y IN STAR WARS VII
Christ dudes, just shove it.
Also can we all agree despite all the memes that the bridge scene will create that the worst dialogue is actually
"The sun is still up we have a chance. Remember as long as we have the light we have hope"
Am I the only one to be so butthurt that muh Indonesian bros Iko Uwais, Yayan Ruhian, and Cecep Arif Rahman ended up as useless mutes as the Kanjiklub Gang?
They are the choreographers and actors from The Raid and The Raid 2 and fuck me if these movies did not pack some mean punch. So much wasted potential for awesome combat choreography in that standout between Solo and the two gangs.
>Luke is going to be a BAD DAD and MAKE MISTAKES
>Literally Daddy issues
Fuck not this shit again.
There wasn't enough Lightsaber on Lightsaber combat to really tell. It was more OT than PT, just a lot smoother. I'm hoping once both Ren and Rey get trained up a bit their rematch will be more exciting and PT like.
I don't think Rey is a mary sue, and a lot of her skills makes sense (she's a good engineer because she spent her life salvaging star ships, she's decent at lightsaber combat because she knows how to fight with that tech staff thing), but having her be an expert pilot made zero sense.
She's spent her whole life on one planet and has no plans to leave it. She barely makes enough money for food, let alone the cash needed to buy or rent a ship to practice flying in. There's zero justification for her to be able to outfly two trained First Order pilots who, like Finn, were presumably trained since a very young age.
> Anakin is the only human able to podrace as a kid
> Luke learn to fly on a T-16 skyhopper, then suddenly second best pilot of the rebellion
> Now Rey
Piloting is a spontaneous force power.
Fuck I just realized how they could have made this movie a little cooler.
>in pre release shit show that Adam Driver is playing some completely unrelated character like an Imperial or something
>In the movie have Han say that he knows Kylo Ren. When Finn and Rey ask about it have Han say he's 'an old friend' with a worried face.
>In the Snoke scene have Snoke simply say that Kylo having to kill Han will be a test. Have Kylo say "I can do it." then have Hux say something like "That's small talk coming from a Skywalker."
>Have Kylo at some point mention that he knows how Jedi work since he's seen them train before.
>Have Kylo actually be fucking terrifying. Have him do shit like torture a rebel so bad that the rebel ends up with a few limbs and his eyes missing + he thinks he's hearing a monster chasing him because of some Sith mind trick when he gets saved.
>Basically the whole movie people are thinking that Kylo is Luke who ended up thinking Vader was right to turn to the dark side.
>Then in the scene where Kylo kills Han show him taking the mask off from the back and show his black hair to confuse everyone then reveal that he's Han's son.
You know, as much as I enjoyed TFA there is a lot more 'poetry' in it than there was in the prequels.
I just wish they had taken a bit more risk (if you can even risk on a guaranteed return like Star Wars) rather than doing a whole nudge nudge, you remember this part? thing.
Hollywood is all about money now
Fuck quality writing or original ideas - Just stick with what makes ez money
>I just wish they had taken a bit more risk
You're asking Hollywood to actually try and create something original, that's impossible now. They don't take risks, some directors and screenwriters might, but are usually hampered by the suits in charge, and if the Execs see that an original movie or a movie they tries to break the mold, they will shut it down in favor of a film that's easy and cheap to produce, easy for the public to understand and can make them more money in returns.
Well I waited like 9 years for Plo Koon to get a voice, so yes I'll take anything.
He survive the Castle battle? Do they spotlight any pirates defending the place? I like that stuff.
I think this is the only SW movie that did not leave me hooked at the end. Don't get me wrong, it was a good movie but the movie did nothing to get me interested in the new Era
that gets reset to the OT anyways
The villains were not iconic enough, interesting concepts get introduced and written out quickly and wtf happened to the music?
My issue with this film is that it doesn't really explain who the New Order are, I know they are supposed to be the remnant of the Empire but that just raises the question as to why the Rebels didn't finish the damn job. Or did they just not notice this evil reactionary force build up again?
Phasma is pure
I can't believe Phasma goes down faster than Dooku, Grievous or even Fett
why did they cast a fuckhuge imposing actress if she's not going to wreck anyone's shit, or at least shoot that shiny silver gun once
I guess they just had the money?
Again, I'm honestly more curious as to what the hell happened after ROTJ. I know the actor's ages would have gotten in the way and all that but I really would have appreciated a bit where a not-Obi-Wan gave us some oversights as to what the Rebels did after Endor.
I've been avoiding these threads for about three months and just got back from seeing the film.
I really enjoyed it for the most part, though it has to be said I don't give a single fucking toss about /tv/pol/mblr "political agenda" bullshit and I just enjoyed Finn and Rey as characters and their interactions with each other and the other characters. In fact every major actor was pretty fucking golden, a lot better than Portman and Christensen at any rate. And I say that as someone who has time for the prequels.
The pacing felt perfect, it felt like we were going on a proper galactic adventure with enjoyable company. The humour felt much more naturally worked into the dialogue than the prequel formula of serious business punctuated by comedy sketches from Jar-Jar/droids and the odd witty one liner. As an Empire/dark side aficionado
Hux felt proper menacingly (but also inspiringly) Hitler-ish up on his platform, I liked his rivalry with Kylo. I also liked the fact that the way they played his character as torn between the dark and the light left me really wondering what he'd do and what his fate would be.
My only criticisms are
how many fucking times can you do the Death Star plot? Hopefully that's the LAST time "we need to destroy a super-weapon" is a major plot point, the absolute atrocious wasting of the talents of Gwendoline Christie on a two-line character who was hyped up as someone much more important, the visual diarrhoea of modern CGI action scenes (but that's a criticism I have of a lot of movies) and that uncomfortable silence that went on way too long at the very end. I just wanted Rey to say "Well do you want the fucking lightsaber or not m8?"
>that scene when Ren rages and the two stormtroopers decide to not come into his room
>implying there won't be a new death star looking thing in every movie that looks slightly different from the last
>implying it won't be merchandised to he'll and back
Collect them all kids!
They literally blow up the New Republic's capital. The New Republic's capital is revealed to be Chandrilla. Therefore they blew up Chandrilla. Saying 'well Chandrilla isn't in the Hosnian system' means nothing since we haven't seen a canon map that shows systems yet and it apparently is in it in the new canon.
>trench run is 40 minutes long because they actually get lost trying to find the weak point
I have no idea. They could move Chandrila into the Hosnian System, since they're both in the core. But it's weird that Hosnian Prime is named on this map instead.
Yeah, same, though for a long while I believed the rumors that she's a droid so I didn't expect to see her without armor. Still, they just failed all along. Christie has really unique looks like other people already said and Phasma could've been played by some stuntman nobody instead if she has a total of two lines.
It wouldn't be hard to include some offhand mention of who he is when she shows up. They just put no effort into her character whatsoever.
Bounty hunter descended from old stormtroopers hired by the first order to train their forces or something would be a cool route to take and would explain the gaudy armor easily. Or even just SW version of her GoT character. Just... anything. I also kinda feel like she should have a bladed weapon instead of a gun but that's just a personal opinion. I know cool villains who aren't Vader die fast in SW, but this was a complete joke all around.
a-at least m-maybe she'll be gtting m-more Hollywood r-roles now, r-right guys? ;_;
> The imperial forces try to intercept them.
> it take them 40 minutes to reach the rebels forces.
> The superweapon is finally ready to fight.
> But the people of the galaxy are already starting to colonise the superstructure, their is no point in firing any more.
I actually felt the pacing was a bit too fast and it hindered the world building a lot.
Another thing I miss is not having the little things that made the Star Wars. For example, all 6 previous movies have scenes where the a character or characters arrive to a location and the camera zooms out to show you the place they're in.
It happens when Luke arrives to Dagobah, Palpatine in the Death Star hangar, Anakin arriving at the Opera house, Anakin marching to the Jedi Temple or Luke with Obi Wan and the droids looking into Mos Eisley.
>Poe finally gets to it.
>Poe: "Almost there... Almost there..."
>misses the shot
>Finn: "Did you get it?!"
>Poe: "Negative. It didn't go in."
>Poe: "Calm down we can try again."
>Finn: "HOW THE FUCK DID YOU MISS? ARE YOU A FUCKING RETARD? SERIOUSLY"
>huge argument ensues
>40 more minutes of them finding the weak point
>they finally destroy it
>at the final celebration everyone looks pissed off and as soon as they receive their medals they angrily stomp out of the room
Well, I'd expect one of the few new characters played by cmpetent actors to at the very least have one or two memorable quotes but I guess Jar Jar Abrams can't comprehend that
Finn was much better than I've expected, a bit inconsistent but he's not a bad character. It helps he's probably the only character who's not quite a copy of an OT one. Hux was fine, too.
> "Thanks for wasting everyone's time, heroes of the rebellion!"
> "My pleasure, I sure hope we will be able to notice earlier if someone is building a third of the galaxy next time..."
>inside the two weak points there is another death star
Death Stars are just Matryoshka dolls and there are smaller ones inside them, and in the last Death Star, there is
a clone of Tarkin piloting it.
I was actually thinking there is a tiny Tarkin in there, but that's good too.
>The best way to stop it is to offhand mention Eriadu and the consciousness will be to distracted to fight them.
Snoke looked pretty beat up. Almost like someone had left him for dead once or something.
I feel like they got the passionate and inspiring side of Hitler with Hux though, which isn't often something you see. It's normally just "Nazis were obviously evil and so was everyone who followed them" which is pretty far from the truth and a victor's point of view. Primarily they were very good propagandists and good at stirring the population to action. After that speech you can kinda understand why people might follow the First Order.
Where does it end? Are midochlorians just tiny Death Stars in our bloodstream?
I was hoping First Order will be more Soviets than Nazis, honestly. More focus on propaganda and inspiring speeches and political manipulation, showing the generals as heroes of the people breaching down an inefficent system set up by the republic, and so on.
>Han and Chewie didn't pilot their mech half of the Millenium Falcon even once
>Chewie doesn't shoot giant red discs at the goons
FIRST PIC OF EPISODE VIII SUPERWEAPON
what if the Force is just Star Wars CHIM?
episode IX one is better
Well, there's uhhh when they destroy that planet that's totally not like when they destroyed Alderaan, and uhhh when Han Solo dies which is totally not like when Obi-Wan dies and uhhh when they blow up Starkiller Base which is totally not like when they blew up the Death Star
>Boba Fett is a man
>Gets killed by a giant vagina
>Phasma is the new Boba Fett and a woman
>Gets killed by being thrown in a trash compactor
>Trash compactors are home to tentacle monsters
>Phasma got killed by a penis
Honestly my first thought when watching that scene was this.
She has less lines and doesn't even shoot anyone so they're about equal in the end. I'd say she's actually in worse situation than Fett as she was played by a pretty great actress who was ultimately wasted. It's not even about unmasking, it just felt as if anyone could play Phasma to the same effect. They didn't even really use the fact that Christie is a head or so taller than the rest of the cast as much of an adventage while shooting.
I've hoped for a second Grievous, not a second Fett, not that it's much either. One or two memorable scenes where she gracefully smashes someone would be enough.
>people think a villain was totally wasted by having little screen-time and being killed off in the first movie they were in
She will survive the trash compactor and come back as a cyborg thirsty for revenge, ultimately becoming a much more interesting character into the bargain. The potter's wheel compels it.
>Does episode 7 even have any iconic, memorable and easily recognizable moments?
Stopping the blaster bolt in midair and finally letting it fly three minutes later was memorable at least.
I sincerly hope she'll be like Trench, both VIII and IX should bring her back after an explosion with more bionics.
Actually make her Trench's adopted granddaughter for all I care.
Yeah, Christie said she doesn't know anything about Phasma coming back so for the time being it's safe to assume she's dead.
Let's face it, any criticism about Rey being Mary Sue must be made in light of Luke in the OT.
At least Rey had the excuse of being well-versed in tech back in Jakku, What is Luke's excuse for being a top-notch pilot right out of the batch?
Which is exactly my point: If we fans are fine with Luke being a sort of child prodigy right from Ep 4, then there's no reason to criticize Rey for being a so-called " typicalHollywood strong female type".
I mean, I know many on 4chan are annoyed at liberals and all, but let's just be fair to both characters here.
Personally I'm more upset about the actress being pretty bad while a great one has a glorified cameo with two lines. The character isn't complex but it's Star Wars, not many of them are.
Everything about Phasma is utterly infuriating.
>Gwen not being utilised to any kind of potential as an actress
>Not even using her intimidating stature
>Not even having her fight anyone
>She literally just stands there in most of her screen time
>The way all the shots were framed and the fact that HELMET DOES NOT COME OFF mean it could have been fucking anybody under the armour and Gwen could have provided the voice
>Having said awesome armour made then hardly ever showing it
>Building the character up in merch and publicity despite all of this
It's like they were following a guide written specifically on how to disappoint people. Over all I liked the movie but this was bullshit.
On one hand, definitely a remake of ANH.
On another, so many new things for a SW film
>dat Kylo Ren
>dat saber fight in the end
>dat equal time slots between Finn and Rey
Not bad. A good new kickstart for SW. There's more to come.
>There's more to come
That's what I'm afraid of.
Another Star Wars film every year. I'd rather have a big budget series on Netflix or something written and directed by
Why did George walk away from Andi during the interview?
>still playing that cashgrab mobile trash
The reaction to Phasma seems like a classic contrast between the optimists and the pessimists to me
>the optimists: pic related
>the pessimists: this thread.
Also: >>78250800 vs. >>78250837
I thought it might be because she was one of the Knights of Ren too looking like a classical knight, and that as a group they might not all necessarily be force sensitive. Bringing different skills to the table and all that.
Sadly, the reality was far less interesting.
>expecting optimism on 4chan
Come now, Anon.
I'm honestly pretty damn surprised at how much I loved it. I was really engaged with the characters, who were my biggest worry. My biggest problem was that Rey and Finn, while good, were probably the worst of the newcomers. I liked Poe, Hux, and Ren a lot more.
It felt like she wasn't meant to be in the trilogy yet but they put her in to sell toys.
>Come now, Anon.
Not surprised at all. Just an observation. Anyone who lurks here long enough knows 4chan's tendency to expect the worst and then some; vice versa for Reddit.
That's why I browse both.
>More focus on propaganda and inspiring speeches and political manipulation
None of these concepts are exclusive to Soviets. In fact they were used just as often in the Nazi era German since they are both two sides of the same coin.
I'd believe so if they didn't go out of their way to make her assumed death so embrasassing. This beats even being eaten alive by a huge caterpillar, Fett at least tried to shoot.
Every character archetype can work if you execute it right. Driver is a great actor and the dialogue in this movie was top notch. The only thing I didn't like about his character arc is that we still don't know why exactly he turned to the dark side, but I'm sure we'll learn more about his past in Episode VIII.