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Batgirl #46

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Join me in a journey where another former Batgirl gets put under the Fletcher/Stewart label.
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oh boy?
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>>78234127
I need you to share my pain. I need you to understand.
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>>78234122
On the one hand that sounds bad. 9n the other Tarr draws a cute steph and I'm still angry that harper is cucking steph over being the close to cass.
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>>78234122
>CamStew
>>>/t/umblr
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>>78234236
>literally undoing a disability with the same hack shit that was made up for barbara not being crippled when new52 began
jesus this is shit
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>>78234281
Really? because that's not how it went at all.
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I don't know why I keep reading this comic. It just makes me angry.
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>>78234281
>>78234309
yeah stewart is conflating a lot. steph didn't really try to stop eiko, she just told her it was a terrible idea and ran off. she was even being trained by eiko beforehand. i guess it makes a more dramatic narrative but it's stretching a lot.
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Just wait till issue 50 where they write cass steph Barbara Frankie Dinah and fan favorite Harper row
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I'm still triggered by the Dick issue
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>>78234337
This is kinda silly but I like it
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>>78234337
Oh, oh geez I'm sorry guys but I'm loving the look of this guy right now.
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>>78234412
Don't start with that shit Barbara
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Steph is cute. Cute
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That's it.
Tune in next month, same Bat time, same Tumblr channel.
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>>78234371
oh now i see what the problem is.

it isn't that cameron stewart can't write stephanie. it's that the moment barbara enters the picture, stephanie just turns into a dimwitted batgirl fangirl who gets easily distracted in a deadly situation.
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>>78234142
>Collecting social data for college

What the Hell is Barbara's major? Last I checked she was into computers; I don't recall any poverty courses when I took Computer Engineering.
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You know I think steph would win in a sad back story off against fan favorite Harper row. I mean first her dad tried to kill her and her mom helped her dad do that. Then her dad died in front of her and her mom was gone. Then she starred getting actually trained but the mentor turned evil and had a massacre. And now she has no one except fan favorite Harper row. Who is busy spending time with the person who should be her best friend.
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>>78234570
I guess you could handwave it that they might be forcing them to do the stats part before they build the database.

If she was undergrad I'd say it was for one of those general courses they make you take but I don't know if grad students have to take any of those.
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>>78234394
That last panel seriously looks like something out of a TV sitcom.
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>>78234322
Why the fuck would Steph take off her mask mid fight?
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>>78234322
Since when can Spoiler take out a group of criminals by herself?
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>>78234337
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>>78234394
So Steph doesn't hide her identity?
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>>78234971
I've never gotten a solid feel for Steph's power levels. She straddles the line between "incompetent" and "ditzy but still really skilled" and seems to fall on the side of whichever the current author wants.
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>>78235109
I honestly don't think Stewart gives a shit. He just sees this book as a mouthpiece for his agendas.
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>>78235161
>Agenda
Ugh, please go back to /Pol/ okay?
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Okay
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>>78235161
I feel bad for Fletcher, his two other books are fine but he has to be associated with this shitpile.
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>>78235278
>Ugh
>.....

Contrary to what all you idiots from the last year think, saying someone has an agenda doesn't make you /pol/. You are actually the /pol/ one for saying please go back cause I hurt your little tumblrina feelings.
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>>78235161
The problem with this book is the opposite, it has no agenda. It's so mildly inoffensive to anyone's taste it becomes atrocious. You want something to happen. You want them all to start presenting a coherent worldview just so that some development occurs. But it never happens. It's just more of the same over and over again.

People are saying it would be ok if it was about Steph, but even that's not true. Steph had a defined set of traits and agenda of her own.
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>>78235335
Well you are right I am from tumblr, I only come here for the Batgirl threads so reading your stupid opinions does make me me angry
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>>78235376
I don't know man. It seems to be pushing the lie that not everyone is treated equal and it also perpetuates the stronk I don't need no male I should be a bitch to everyone stereotype.
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>>78235407
Kek I can't tell if bait but fuck off, you want a strong female lead go read Aquaman for Mera or Birds of Prey.
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>>78234122
Man, I've seen some bad cover art in my time. But this... this is pretty damn bad.
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>>78235376
You can kind of see what it's trying to do, but it's a fairly mediocre take on the young hero thing. Plenty of books have done it better. Even Doomed did it better than this and it was written by Lobdell.
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>>78235513
Not to mention Babs was the worst fucking character to do this too since her entire characterization is still learning while trying to prove she's the best and she takes herself too seriously.

He turned her into Mary Sue pro hero that don't need no help from her allies. He also barely ever lets her cross over and when he does he usually shits on everyone else or doesn't bother to learn their characterization.
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>>78234490
stepth was always a dimwitter batgirl fangirl though
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Why is Babs 15 yeras old now?
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>>78235635
She's 21, just a womanlet
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I liked it

It's also a bat-title that keeps DC afloat so like it or not, it's here to stay.
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>>78234122
How long until Stewart gives Spoiler a jacket redesign? It would actually make more sense for her.
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>>78235660
That's not how girls act when they're 21. I'd give her 18 the most.
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>>78235703
canonically 21, she's also a womanchild
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>>78234337
this Oni-masked two-face guy is pretty awesome
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>>78235718
So they basically took their most mature female character and turned her into a manic pixie dream girl?
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>>78235662
>It's also a bat-title that keeps DC afloat so like it or not, it's here to stay.
It's not selling as well as I think you think it is.
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>>78235703
you must not know a lot of 21-year old girls

the two girls in my group of friends and even my 25-year old married sister acts like this

the early 20s is not that old at all
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>>78235662
It doesn't really do much financially. Despite being only 2.99 the last issue dropped below 30k. Not a cancellation danger at that point or anything, but it's nothing to write home to.
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>>78235761
I think you're somewhat misusing that terminology (as she isn't really that kind of perky character), but close enough
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>>78235771
Not that anon but sounds to me you just got retarded immature friends. I bet they didn't start working full time until their 20s either.
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>>78235771
On the contrary, anon, I'm a 23-year old girl
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>>78235814
well one of them is a nurse and the other is in med school working in a lab

I don't know why you think 21 is some magical age where people no longer can act immature.
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>>78234122
Do they have a bad cold?
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>>78235814
sounds like your friends are just unusually mature, most 21 year olds just act like teenagers still
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>>78235924
I'm 23 man, while it is true most people in that age range are immature, it is in no way acceptable or the norm. They were just sheltered by their parents probably and it ruined them.
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>>78235964
>ruined them
>one is going to be a doctor and the other is a nurse
>you literally don't know them but call them sheltered
I really don't see why you feel the need to fit social immaturity into this narrow category of total failure as a human being.
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>>78236018
It is total failure. Regardless of their success immaturity is an unforgivable social stigma, and while they may have immature friends or boyfriends, they will most likely suffer from that their entire life. I know some 28 year old girls that are still immature as hell. It's not something you can shake.

It's like the narcissistic idiots of our entire generation thinking their life matters enough to post every thought they have onto social media.

I digress though /co/ is no place for this discussion.
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>>78236018
he's memeing
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My problem with Barbara isn't that "She doesn't act like a real 21 year old," she does. I know plenty of girls in college who act just like her. My problem is that she doesn't act like an *interesting* 21 year old.

For example, if we made Dick into "your regular 25 year old guy," then he would be super into watching football and spend a lot of times just hanging out in bars and playing video games. That's not a character I want to read about, even if it's accurate. That's what I feel we're getting with Barbara. They're pushing too hard on the "typical college girl" angle.
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>>78236175
Not to mention that someone that has went through what she has would most likely be far more mature.
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>>78235425
> the lie that not everyone is treated equal
You think everyone is treated equally? In society?
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>>78236508
Racism is over! We did it, America!
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>>78236508
For the most part yes, at least in America. Racism is a lie perpetuated by the upper class so the lower class stays too upset with each other to rise up against them.
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>>78236508
>racism is real meme

Are you by chance white in the upper class?
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>>78236647
Are you retarded?
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>>78236647
You just proved that people aren't treated equally based on income
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>>78236768
No but I am black in the lower middle class and sick of white people telling me how racism is a real problem when it's only bigot red necks. I've never had someone not hire me because of the color of my skin.

If you act like a ghetto ass hoodlum that's on you.
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>>78236731
Your delusion is hilarious, anon.
Also, if there's an upper and lower class there is no equality.
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>>78236796
Correct. But no one wants to fix that particular problem, so everyone falls back on racism claims.
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>>78236812
>I've never had someone not hire me because of the color of my skin.
Well, your anecdotal evidence clearly counts as a real statistic! We can close the topic right here.
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>>78236812
Ok. Arguing "Racism isn't a constant problem everywhere" and arguing "Racism doesn't exist at all and is a conspiracy by the wealthy" are two different things.
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>>78236874
Kek keep telling yourself racism is prevelant so you gotta something to fight against.

Smh I don't get why white people need a cause. You people are bored af and don't have real problems.
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>>78236175
The thing is that while Dick is written as the evolution of a character with 75 years of history, Barbara's characterization has been distilled down to "girl, bat costume" despite there being plenty of other female characters capable of being Batgirl
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>>78236850
>Also, if there's an upper and lower class there is no equality.
I wonder who could be behind this post
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>>78234971
Selina and Eiko taught her some moves.
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>>78236926
>You people
>There's no racism
>also implying I'm white.
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>>78236926
There are dozens of articles I could link to that have proven discriminatory hiring practices with reliable testing models and statistics, but why bother.

Master's never going to let you sleep in the house, bud.
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>>78236994
Complete equality in society is a good thing? That's debatable. It should be more important that people are treated fairly than treated equally.
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>>78234122

It's actually a pretty damn solid issue that sets some things up for once in this arc. This isn't like the last couple of issues.
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>>78236201
This is an absolutely ridiculous claim, people aren't fucking formulas where their personalities are calculated by adding or subtracting tragedies. My girlfriend is incredibly goofy and self-effacing and doesn't take things seriously at all. Her father was in and out of prison all her life, and died at the age of 12. She was incredibly close to him. Her Uncle hung himself in her Grandparents' living room, she was the first to discover his swinging corpse. Her Mother is emotionally despondent and hasn't been mentally fit to raise her since she was a kid.

I know you guys hate this book because it has an oh so abominable tumblr agenda that can't stop pushing such inflammatory positions like "Revenge porn is bad.", but Christ.
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>>78237339
People are only the sum of their experiences. How they react to those experiences may differ but that doesn't change the fact that Barbara went from being the most mature member of the Bat family to a female Dick for no reason.
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>>78234255


Jesus guys... You've been teasing this same tease since #40. Can we PLEASE just say this one word:

O R A C L E
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>>78237339
Could it be that some of us hate the comic because it's poorly written and ignores all previous incarnations of Barbara's character?
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>>78234289

That thing has nothing to do with Frankie's ALS, you blistering idiot! It's a device with which she can control the Batcycle and other devices. AKA Frankie is now Ultra-Oracle.
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>>78237406
Because the tone of the book is different from the previous run. It's made to be more lighthearted and fun instead of something serious. Whenever a team changes, characterization changes; it's like you've never read comics.
If you don't like this, wait for the next team that will inevitably handle Batgirl in the next run and hope it's one more according to your tastes. It's that simple.
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>>78234339

The dick issue? Jesus man that Alysia reveal was years ago during Gail Simone's run.
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>>78237500
>Could it be that some of us hate the comic because it's poorly written and ignores all previous incarnations of Barbara's character?

Considering the previous in continuity incarnation of Babs was the absolute worst comic DC was publishing for 3 years, I don't think anyone is arguing in good faith that ignoring that hideous characterization is for the worse.

If you're talking about Oracle, Oracle was also a woman in her mid-30s who had spent the better part of a decade in a wheelchair. She had a decidedly different characterization and a history to support it. She's not the same character in the same sense that no one in their 30s is the same person they were when they were barely able to drink.
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>>78235161

Damn you're literally projecting all your schizophrenic SJW boogeyman crap on Cameron Stewart, aren't you?
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>>78237640
It's still just poorly written with flat characterization and plots that have little to no dramatic focus.
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>>78237500

All previous incarnations autistic comicbook geeks like you care about, maybe.

This Batgirl of Burnside is actually the first time Barbara is portrayed similarly to the versions most people know about, The DCAU version. Yvonne Craig. Batgirl Year One... Hell, Barbara in Stewart/Fletcher's run actually has her Oracle abilities, which were completely lacking during Simone's run.

So maybe you should tone down on the "all incarnations" when what you really mean is "all incarnations i personally prefer".
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>>78237056
Just Eiko. And it wasn't for very long.
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>>78237704

Because this is written for people who want actual Batgirl adventures. Not Gail Simone's psychological drama parade.
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>>78237856
>Wanting acknowledgement of character development that took place over 20 years
>must be autistic

I love Batgirl Year One and DCAU Batgirl, but just because she's running around in a costume doesn't make this incarnation of Babs like those.
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>>78235777
It's been confirmed multiple times that Batgirl does extremely well in trade and digital.
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>>78237904
I didn't even like Simone's run, so not sure what you're arguing. You can have Batgirl adventures and still have them be well written.
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>>78237949

>Wanting acknowledgement of character development that took place over 20 years

>in a different continuity

21 year-old petite Barbara in this continuity is not the 30 year old 5'11" bitchy cunt from the old continuity.

Get over it.
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>>78234337
This page was fun. Everything else? Kind of awful. I've only read this one and the Dick issue so it might not be fair to judge. Was it better before and the quality just took a nosedive? Babs is unlikable as a new character and as a character with her old history, barely anything happens in an issue, and Babs Tarr looks like she's phoning it in. Her art is expressive but that only carries it so far. Ms Marvel is trying to appeal to the same crowd and that book is actually enjoyable.
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>>78237972
Yeah that's known, but it's not some kind of book carrying DC. It's not Harley Quinn doing exceptionally, Batgirl sells about as much as it should. It's incorrect to paint things as if it's a huge success. I mean you don't hear anyone talking about Grayson's as if it's doing miraculously even though it's a dollar more and outperforms Batgirl both in floppies and digitally (at least comparing general Comixology placement when both are released, hard to know without exact numbers). Batgirl's new vol 1 collection did do better though. Not sure if it's a hardcover vs paperback thing.
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>>78234337
>>78238309
>this page was fun
Because they went full Sailor Moon with it.
Honestly, I'd rather Stewart and Tarr do a Sailor-Spoiler book than Batgirl, after seeing it.
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>>78237949
>reboot should acknowledge rebooted character development
u wot
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>>78238705
Dammit, meant to reply to >>78238153
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>>78234213
Is it just me or do these drawings look far more rough than usual? They almost look unfinished...
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>>78239942
The issue was delayed due to something on Fletcher's end so she probably had less time to do the art. Could use an inker though.
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>>78239997
Did Fletcher or someone post about the delays?
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>>78240719
He tweeted about it, but I don't remember anything in-depth on what happened.
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>>78240719
>>78240797
This is what I saw

https://twitter.com/brendenfletcher/status/668621148003897344
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>>78238309
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2015/2015-06.html

Grayson Vol 1 HC outsold Batgirl Vol. 1 HC

Batgirl Vol. 1 TPB did a little better, but also got outsold by Gotham Academy, Deathstroke, and others.
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>>78234490
Well it's her fucking title.
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>>78237904
I swear, do fans of this book have any other defense other than "Gail Simone's run sucks!"?

It's like with Lobdell apologists whose only defense of RHATO is "you must be a SJW who only saw the Starfire pages"
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>>78238153
The first arc actually had a centralized storyline, though Barbara does come off as a bit unintentionally unlikeable at times. But the more recent stuff has been really poor, with all the throwaway villains and petty teenage drama.

Not to mention reducing Alysia to a transgender prop for whenever they want to win some publicity points. They even used her in an issue that they knew was going to give off transphobic undertones
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>>78241105
Batgirl's paperback got another 1k in sales the next month though and it also showed up on Bookscan's list while Grayson's HC did not.

http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/32240/july-2015-bookscan-top-20-adult-graphic-novels
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>>78241218
>http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/32240/july-2015-bookscan-top-20-adult-graphic-novels
I think TPBs generally sell better than HCs
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>>78235615
I don't think that every was her characterization.
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>>78241247
Yeah it will be interesting what happens in January/February with Grayson having two out. Wonder how many will buy both.
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>>78234600
>fan favorite Harper Row

Why do you all keep saying that? I thought people hated her.
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>>78235407
>I am from tumblr
>reading your stupid opinions makes me angry
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>>78234339
This. We've had a lot of bad books lately, but I felt personally insulted by that depiction of Grayson.
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>>78242942
They do. It's sarcasm.
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>>78242942
Fairly certain that's sarcasm.

I do think Grayson sells a bit better than Batgirl, since the two titles fought to have the first reunion of Dick and Babs, and Grayson won (and as a result, Dick's absolute douchery in Batgirl feels more than a little like petty writers).
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>>78242942
Because in the solicitation of her second appearance DC actually referred to her as "fan favorite Harper Row."
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>>78234196
>last panel
Who needs eyes, anyway.
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I don't like this art. Everyone has cartoon eyes and mouths.
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>>78235425
>it also perpetuates the stronk I don't need no male I should be a bitch to everyone stereotype

While you raise a valid point, sort of, I feel like it's more of a case of really uninspired writing coupled with protagonist with no flaws resulting in this rather than trying to push it as an agenda. I don't really feel like giving this writing crew that much credit. Not to mention that majority of female characters who are not Babs doesn't really fit it due to having no character traits period (or, in the case of Steph, having multiple incoherent barebones characterizations. sometimes at once, like in this issue)

It's just a bad book, not because of any agendas (because it's too stupid to push them coherently) or the slice of life aspect (which could be fun if done right, there's a plenty of characters I'd like to see in a light slice of life comic, like Scott and Barda, Stephanie or the Rogues).
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>>78237904
I don't want Simone writing Batgirl because she sucks at that (largely because it's obvious she just wants Oracle again; I'd love her to write BoP or Atom again though, but right now I'm happy enough with her Secret Six asides from the Dibny drama), but I don't really want this either. The only good thing about this book is keeping Stephanie as Spoiler for the time being which is imo her best costume. Sure, some of the messages are pretty good considering the target audience are likely teenages, like "leaking ndues in revenge is wrong", but the writing is pretty bad and the so-and-so cute art doesn't save it.
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>>78245401
I wouldn't mind Simone writing Batgirl again under this editorial. You can tell that Simone was actually trying to develop her as a character, but there was so much going on behind the scenes. The editorial wanted it dark, they wouldn't let Simone write Barbara wearing glasses or using computers, they barely let her bring in Black Canary or Nightwing. And after the "firing by e-mail" incident, it seemed that Simone lost interest, and was mainly sticking around to keep the fans happy

The odd thing is that Brenden Fletcher is a pretty good writer, as both Gotham Academy and Black Canary are quite solid. It just feels like Batgirl is hampered by the need to have a heavy-handed message, or rebloggable panels for Tumblr. Everything that Batgirl tries to do, I feel like there are so many other similar books that have done it much better (Ms. Marvel, Starfire, Black Canary, Gotham Academy, etc)
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>>78234157
So does this book have an anti gentrification message too? I find that a little odd considering Barbara and her friends are the very definition of rich hipsters.
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>>78234394
>Those hips on Steph
GOOD LORD
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I like Steph here. And Babs isn't as bad I thought she was. After picking up #45 for Dick, I absolutely hated this book, but the solicits for March got me interested again, and while this book is pretty bland, at least they'll do something with Steph.

Also I hope the new BoP works as a containment book for Harper Row, cuz he's currently shitting up BRE and I don't want that in any of the main books.
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>>78248950
> yfw when Tarr does Stephanie cheesecake like she did with Babs.
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>>78234157
Damn Nadimah's finger is long as shit in the third panel.
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>>78248542
>gentrification

I never understood that whole concept. People whining because shitty neighbourhoods become nicer? Why?
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>>78250385
It worked for Daredevil! :)

>>78249252
Agreed. Steph is the reason I stuck with the book through the really terrible Grayson issue (also known as "the Batgirl team failed to get Dick first, so they made him the most annoying douche possible in revenge").

Is there news of a new Birds of Prey title?
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>>78250932
It's just speculation based on the Batgirl 50 cover and promise of a status quo change.
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>>78235109
she a'ight
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http://batman-news.com/2015/12/17/batgirl-46-review/
Batgirl BTFO

I love this person's reviews, they spell out everything wrong with the series every month.
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>>78250385
Gentrification is great if you're the person it's for. If you're not, then all it means is that you have to move to an even worse neighborhood and your life ends up sucking even more.

Your house? You can't live there anymore even if it's paid off, because the property taxes have tripled. So now you're off to the affordable housing projects.
The grocery store you got your food for the week from? That's gone now and it's replaced by artisan wine and cheese shop that you'd have to spend a week's salary to shop at.
The movie theater where you went to forget your troubles? Art house flicks now, assuming it hasn't been converted to yet more lofts, that again, you can't afford to live in.
And if somehow, throughout ALL this, you got lucky and your place of business managed to stay open? It won't for long, because that new influx of hipsters doesn't actually support the businesses that were there, they support the $10 coffee shops run by their buddies.

And the best part is that doesn't even last long because its an untenable paradigm. Eventually it'll either start backsliding and you get a weird franken-city where you've got shitloads of crime and poverty surrounding one neighborhood that gets all the public services and police and fire department protection, or the city planners got smart and funneled the fleeting influx of money into the schools, at which point the neighborhood turns into an expensive suburb and all the hipsters move onto the next trendy night life spot like a pack of locusts.

Either way, if you were there before all this started, you're not now, and there's no way to buy your way back in.
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>>78236796
>people aren't treated equally based on income

"Treated" carries the wrong implications. It's just that money equals power, and it would be desirable for power to be split pretty much evenly.
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>>78251956
>Babs Gordon whines in this book. All the time. She’s a whiner.

>I thought in the early episodes of this team’s run the whining was intended to be a brief business for the sake of character growth, but it’s a trait that looks to be staying for the foreseeable future.

>Babs complains about her workload, her schooling, her friends, her sleep schedule, the size of her opponents. And then we’re supposed to forget about that because she pumps her fist and puts on a smirky game-face? I can honestly forgive a lot, but the whining is insufferable.

>People complained that Simone’s PTSD Batgirl was too gloomy and trapped in her dark thoughts about the past. I’d take that any day over a Batgirl who complains because her friend Alysia is on her honeymoon. Seriously: she listed it as one of the reasons she’s so “stressed” out. I don’t even have words for how self-absorbed and myopic this stuff is coming out of her mouth.

Can we post this in the OP of the Batgirl storytime every month?
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>>78251956
It's a very thoughtful review, and I totally agree that the series is pretty much brainless fluff, but I don't trust anyone who straight up says they hate Stephanie Brown. :)
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Haven't been keeping up, what happened with LukeBabs? Is that still a thing?
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>>78252739
Yes, though Luke acts as more of a background character. I'm pretty sure they only hooked them up for the cover in your pic because it would drum up controversy and sales.
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>>78248542
Gentrification was kind of a half-hearted theme in Simone's run, when she lived in a shitty neighborhood. It doesn't make as much sense in Burnside, which was introduced as a nice, already gentrified place.
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>>78251956
The comments make some good points, too.
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>>78252219
When the white people leave, it's white flight. When the white people come, it's gentrification.

Wealthier residents can help communities with the influx of tax money and rebuilding. Obviously sometimes there can be downsides, but what's the alternative? Isolationism? There's nothing illegal about buying a property and moving into an area, and you can't keep communities static or unchanging.
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>>78251956
>http://batman-news.com/2015/12/17/batgirl-46-review/
Same reviewer makes some good points in her Harley Quinn review:

http://batman-news.com/2015/12/16/harley-quinn-23-review/

> You can write a strong female character who has serious character flaws without those flaws disempowering her or being a crutch. Harley gets herself into a lot of trouble, but she’s almost always responsible for getting herself out. She also almost never complains unless it’s done specifically for comic effect or she’s just playing for sympathy.

> You can write a sexy female character without everything being a boob-butt panel. Despite her skin-tight skimpy outfit, Harley never feels overexposed. The costume also isn’t that stupid in a fight (no cape, for example). He roller derby outfit at least has elbow and knee pads. Also, the main artists on this series John Timms and Chad Hardin have largely avoided action sequences in which it appears that she might fall out of her clothes at any minute. Contrariwise, there’s no need to neuter Harley’s female attributes by stuffing her in a modesty costume and giving her the physique of a 12 year-old boy.

> You can write a female character who is boy-crazy without it being an obnoxious interruption of the regular ongoing plot. Harley is rather affectionate and she swoons more than I’d like her to, but in 23 issues she’s yet to jump in the sack with anyone (unless you count Ivy), and has only had two dates (one of which was with Bruce Wayne, so that can’t count against her). This is less an issue of “morals” than plain ol’ plot focus. For me personally: if I want to read a comic about boyfriend drama, I’ll pick up Betty & Veronica.
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This series is pretty, fun, brainless fluff - the sad thing is it's centered around a character who has, in the past, exemplified all that could go right for a writing team in Birds of Prey (not Simone's later stuff, her first 2003-2007 run) - complicated, flawed, dark and light, and utterly appealing. Now she's a normal person with normal selfishness and a superpower memory who is treated like she's not normal. The disconnect is what's driving the reviewer, I think, and while justified, I'm not sure exactly what you can really say in the face of people eating this kind of "people patting you on the back for being normal" power fantasy.
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>>78236018
Being immature and self-absorbed is a pretty big personal failing, though. Regardless of the money, that shit will sabotage any future relationship, friendly or romantic. It's just not a good way, or at least, not the best way to live life.
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>>78237247
Ah, implying he's a house nigger.

What's worse? You're white or some other race and legitimately racist, or black and consumed by crab mentality?

I am shaking my head to be honest.
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>>78234122
Oooo boy, more tumblr bullshit.
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>>78234149
Uh, no. If you want MORE Lez shit in bat comics, you need to fuck off. Gotham has more lez than SF.
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>>78234600
But why does everything have to be a tragedy off? The point of Batgirl and Robin is to be a CONTRAST to Batman's darkness. Making Steph and Barbara and Harper tragic diminishes their purposes.
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>>78235278
You go back to Tumblr. Honestly, how do you not see a fucking agenda. Let me guess, you write about gender neutral pronouns. Faggot.

>>78235335
Exactly, and the word you are looking for is faggot or PC
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>>78235376
Inoffensive? This book is all over the place. Trannys and Fags one second, then the next mature characters like Grayson get drug into this nonsense and get shit on.

And trying to write a distaff character like Batgirl in a way that separates her from the male original only adds to the disconnect.
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>>78235407
Oh, did we trigger you fag. run back to your little whole before shit gets real.
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>>78253725
Anon only said that because BRE is making it seem like Harper is having a tragic-story-off with some of the other characters.

Also Tim is basically the only character at this point who DOESN'T have some tragic backstory or life changing event.

>Barbara, shot and paralyzed
>Jason, died and resurrected, neglectful/criminal parents
>Dick, dead parents, that whole identity revealed to the world thing
>Damian, died and resurrected, shitty mother
>Steph, criminal dad, mom tried to help dad kill her, mom is gone
>Cass, David Cain is still an ass and she can't speak
>Harper, missing mom, criminal dad

The difference is some of the characters dwell and angst on it while others just ignore it. Dick and Steph mostly ignore it whereas Barbara used to mention it just about every arc. Tim became a hot mess after they killed his dad and Superboy since being a broody asshole became his character.
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>>78252861
>. Obviously sometimes there can be downsides, but what's the alternative? Isolationism?
How about putting money into local businesses and NOT raising the property rates to price out people that are already there?

Nobody said anything about race either so I dunno why you're trying to bring that up.
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>>78254052
Yup, pretty much. I actually really like Harper in Batman #12 and #18, and her first arc in Eternal wasn't bad, but they recently had her do a "I'm more betterer than all you boy Robins" and completely ignoring Steph in the second series of Eternal, which really ticked me off.
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Book seems okay.

I don't see why so many people are being massive pussies.
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>>78255667
What'd you like about it, anon? Some people are, admittedly, complaining about things that have only a tangential connection to the book (Stewart's political agenda, etc), but some have said they don't like Babs's immaturity given her history as one of the Batfamily's most mature superheros, some have said the art is kinda wonky on the fight scenes, etc. Discussing positives can be specific as well as the negatives.
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>>78254052
So Harper has exactly the same backstory as Steph, but with a gay brother? Wow.
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