Kamala Khan, quality representation of Islam in the media, but is her story arc that good? I say no.
Counterpoint: she's not a "tumblrina", but rather the modern social outcast heavily into pop culture. We can't relate, being the older generation.
A tumblrina is an entirely different animal entirely. They're "politically active" and refer heavily to real life events rather than actually doing anything.
Also, most Marvel villains suck and the ones who don't tend to get passed around from group to group or get killed off as a show of Worf to a pre-1980's villain. She also hasn't found her nemesis yet.
>She also hasn't found her nemesis yet.
I think she might have.
We find her annoying because we aren't teenagers anymore.
This is the modern peter parker.
But other than that the portrayal of westernised muslim youth is top notch. seriously, really solid and realistic representation of muslim communities in western nations, and this is coming from an Australian muslim. honestly its quite refreshing.
>A tumblrina is an entirely different animal entirely. They're "politically active" and refer heavily to real life events rather than actually doing anything.
She is completely a Tumblirna. Hell, >>78196971 is a poorly valed comment on how Islam has become more 'conservative' after the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
>quality representation of Islam in the media
What? She started blowing things up and behead people for ISIS?
>is a poorly valed comment on how Islam has become more 'conservative' after the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
No fool, that's just how it is for most Mosques, even in NY long before the shit in the mid east. They usually have separate entrances for their own section for prayers. Kamala having some banter.
This is the only book that's weird reading since my neighbors are paki and bengali, so I get these references.
There's been Muslims in the US since the first wave of refugees came in the 1920's and settled a town in the midwest. They're basically Mormons in terms of blended culture.
Don't confuse "muh proud culture" Eurotrash and first gen crazies with strong 'murrican assimilation.
>Counterpoint: she's not a "tumblrina", but rather the modern social outcast heavily into pop culture. We can't relate, being the older generation.
I'm 18, relatively "hip", and have been reading comics casually for about 5 years. She's completely unrelatable to my generation as far as I can tell. And working at a comic store, her audience is literally tumblr users.
Not every young person (especially not every young comic fan) is some constant meme-spouting fandom member. It's almost insulting to insinuate that she''s a representative of young people.
However I have noticed from personal experience that the type of people who do act like that tend to shout the loudest and act like they're the norm (of nerds) so I guess I can understand why marketers and 30 year old tumblr-users would think that.
Is there anything you don't like about Kamala specifically or is it just cause dorks are overdone? What other dorks in comics are there like Kamala?
>That's not what I said though.
Well, that didn't really pertain to my question.
I suppose one thing I don't like about Kamala specifically is that she was one of the few characters inserted for diversity that looked promising. Then it turned out her character was basically the exact same as current run squirrel girl and every other made-for-tumblr hero.
I think /co/ just likes Kamala because she's looks """cute""". If you took her same annoying personality and put it on a Muslim who was Chubby and was drawn by Erica Henderson but still kept the writing, /co/ would hate her call her the worst character ever made and her comic the most cringy meme comic ever made.
Islam needs to be forcibly dragged kicking and screaming through three or four reformations before it can even be considered a real religion. It's a barbaric shitty breeding ground for violence and intolerance, and attempting to portray it positively in mainstream comics is not a good idea.
It's the same as if they were trying to show how the Klu Klux Klan are actually really nice once you get to know them and that only a few extremists among them are bad.
>critiquing a savage shit-tier religion that advocates the violent abolishment of democracy, using honor-killings as a legitimate strategy for preserving your daughters innocence and beheading people with a chainsaw for fun is SO INTOLERANT, UGH! I'm gonna buy ten copies of this just to support it #NotAllMuslims #NotMyBrownWaifu You should have stayed quiet and not spoken up, don't ever fight it. Just lay down and let it happen.
No need to tell me, I know. Remember Darkseid War: Green Lantern? Issue everyone like? After it was storytimed, it got maybe 10 more comments and it was archived.
But when we have to Bendis Bendis? Bendis, we can do that until thread reaches bump limit.
Are you stupid? Do you not understand how marvel manages to push comics yet? That's exactly what happens.
Do you still not understand why Squirrel Girl, Ms Marvel and Whor are still selling?
You're spoon feeding casuals and SJWs this narrative.
Congrats, you are Ms M's biggest shill.
>You're spoon feeding casuals and SJWs this narrative.
>by pointing out the stupidity of glorifying a violent religion
You are a fucking grade-A retard. Headmaster of Retard Academy, Regional Retard Champion.
Cool. Ignore me. Shill for the book with your rage. That's what marvel wants from you the most. They tell you that all the time.
This is why she sells and Midnighter is slowly dying a dog's death.
Yeah. I also like to think of all Christians as that guy who shot up the Planned Parenthood.
They're all violent morons trying to install theocracy in their country and reject modern civil rights but want to stone gays and beat their children to death.
No, he's right. Marvel has already mentioned this sort of thing is a marketing strategy.
Outrage sells well and so does controversy. Giving your fanbase exactly what they want oddly enough seems to not be an effective strategy
Brevoort has said that's literally their strategy.
They get you mad. It gets everyone talking about the book. More people end up buying their book to see if it's as bad as it sounds.
The worst thing you can do for a book you hate is give it attention.
You understand, I hope, that being annoyed that an inherently religion that has no business being catered to by the west in any way or form does not magically increase sales, right?
Unless you think there are people on /co/ so fucking devoid of any sense that they see someone rag on Islam, then opt to buy a million volumes of Ms. Marvel just to somehow spite people who oppose the most intolerant, ruthless and anti-democratic religion in the world.
You're not actually this fucking dumb, right? You're just pretending, RIGHT?!
Because if not, and you ARE that retard buying it out of spite, then congratulation. You've been completely fucking jobbed.
The truth is only a fraction of the angry fans actually buy it in spite of their anger. It's usually other fans who hear about the controversy that have no preconcieved notions that buy it. The controversy just makes them check it out. They stay long, and then they become the angry fans and they'll eventually leave while other fans hearing of the controversy jump in.
You create a controversy for the book. People become more aware of book ends up buying it. That's Marvel's strategy. They're super transparent about this. Don't know how this can possibly be news for you.
Like people brought up. DC has a Muslim character too that doesn't bring up he's Muslim and doesn't get as much outrage as Kamala.
His book is in the wind.
You are feeding this book with every post you make. It doesn't matter how insignificant you think it is. It's adding up to help her book.
A few people said they're going to be making shit threads on books they actually like to take advantage of this fact.
So unless you're secretly Kamala's biggest fan. You shouldn't be giving her the time of day.
It depends on the situation and the region. France kind of breeds the culture. It doesn't help that Muslims don't really try to assimilate causing even more issues. Both sides are butting heads so muslims get disenfranchised even more and turn to extremist ideology and become crazy in the process. The who situation on both sides is fucked up and ISIS as just made it worse.
Not on /co/, no. But in other places, yeah this is exactly the sort of thing
See when you fight something, that something declares itself oppressed and victimized. Nowadays being the victim is sort of the "in" thing. The victim is immune to criticism.
You wanna fight Islam, just talk about how they oppress their women. Don't attack the religion itself, especially not in broad or generalized statements. You need to seize a moral high ground that dumbfucks cannot help but agree with.
Oh no, speak out definitely. Just do it smarter.
Gamergate was poorly done. Twitch raids against female "gamers" feeding off donations are poorly done.
Shit like that only feeds the machine, mate. If the flavour of the day is oppression, use it. Seize the moral highground
even if it's fucking retardedand wield it
Christianity is basically exactly that if you ignore all the interpretive stuff not actually in the Bible.
Much like in Christianity, there are centuries of interpretation changing the way Muslim texts are considered, what things are paid attention to and what things are ignored. Like most Christians, most Muslims have never actually read the Quran in its entirety. Your average western Muslim does not really care for many of the stricter rules in their book, nor those that that would make them unable to interact with society.
Islam doesn't have as much writing behind it as Christianity, but there are plenty of Muslims that fall into the same basic archetype as most modern Christians - i.e. it's a casual thing to them. They're mostly ignorant of its inner workings and they believe the little things they remember. Some of the rules seem a bit strict? Ehhhhhh... it probably doesn't matter too much. Something is in the Quran they don't like? Ehhhhh... maybe it doesn't mean that, or it's not even in there, who has time to read the whole book these days anyway rite? Quran says this thing they either like or don't really care enough about is bad? Ehhhhhh... whatever, maybe that bit was written wrong.
>You create a controversy for the book.
It's like your dumb ass can't understand that /co/ is an echo chamber of a few hundred people where nothing you say fucking matters.
You thick, dumb cunt of a person.
Yeah, that's what your average Muslim in a closed off Muslim community would say.
Ironically, it's not what your average Middle Easterner would say without someone from IS or whoever keeping a gun leveled at their throat, and it's not what an extremely westernized girl that has grown up in an extremely cosmopolitan area of NJ would say.
Radical Muslims obviously exist, much like radical anythings, and are on the rise due to massive recruitment campaigns, mistakes made in the past, and mistakes persisting into the future, but generally they pop up in specific sorts of places.
>critiquing a savage shit-tier religion that advocates the violent abolishment of democracy, using honor-killings as a legitimate strategy for preserving your daughters innocence and beheading people with a chainsaw for fun
Islam doesn't order or promote any of that. Just take your biased opinions and go back to /pol/. Or are you one of those sheeple who actually think that ISIS represents the real Islam?
Are you that retard from the other day who doesn't get how comics work? Is this your first thread? Everybody knows Marvel does this.
Why do you think people have been trying to cut down on Henderson and Whor threads?
They're tired of giving them a boost.
he's not saying she's a normal youth he's saying that she's the modern nerd.
a normal person isn't supposed to like her. thats why she's an outcast, her character is just like peter parker.
there was a reason why peter was relatively unpopular among his class mates, its because half the time he was a snarky dick
Islam does promote that. And it doesn't.
It's all there, it's really what you choose to go with. Same for any religion. No True Scotsman shit can fuck off - there is no 'true' Islam, there's Islam as different people practice it, just as with anything else.
Yeah, there's way more westernized Muslims in America and Europe that would rather IS fucked off, but that doesn't really make their Islam 'true' Islam. It's preferable Islam, for me, and I'm assuming us, but those shitheads trading Yazidi girls as sex slaves in Syria? Also Muslims.
Do you mean Muslim Dr. Fate from Earth 2 or Muslim Dr. Fate from Earth Prime?
He's not gonna stick around. I like the guy, but considering the track record of his legacy, inevitably some idiot who thinks names always translate to quality characters will install Kent again just for the sake of appearances.
You're the only one here remotely indoctrinated.
I know there's plenty of Muslims that hate my guts on principle. I also know there's plenty that don't. In my ideal world they'd all stop believing in this shit, but ideal worlds are not real worlds.
>there is no 'true' Islam, there's Islam as different people practice it, just as with anything else
How can practitioners of something which Islam heavily forbids ends up as Muslims?
Same way it happens for Christians?
Lel, there's been violent fuckers of all sorts trying to kill people like me since forever. IS are a pimple in the greater scheme of things, and we're westernizing Muslims faster than they're being radicalized. Hell, the radicalization is mostly a RESPONSE by Muslims that see how quickly and fully their communities are being westernized, and can't handle it.
the Daesh are hilariously weak, the only reason they've come this far at all is because the west keeps propping them up as being super-powered unstoppable devils, making it easier for then to recruit edgy morons
You know what I don't get, why some people think religion is the cause of instability in a region instead of just a symptom of it.
the middle east was on the track to becoming pretty moderate post-ww2 and pre-foreign intervention.
The cold war turned that place to shit. and is it any fucking surprise that some kid who grew up in the shit and knew nothing but the law of the blade and the gun, who has had death as a constant companion, who doesn't understand democracy because he never tasted it, who isn't educated because his school was a crater, is it any surprise this kid turns to religion.
Is it any surprise that this kid grows up to continue to live by the blade, that he perverts his religion into a weapon.
I mean there are people on this planet you were born during the beginning of the war in Iraq who are just now old enough to hold and point a gun but not old enough to know anything about what that means. kids so uneducated they have no choice but to believe what they are told.
>why some people think religion is the cause of instability in a region instead of just a symptom of it
Because just simply hating a religion is much easier than analysing a region's sociological transformation since Crusades.
Without the religion, which is based around blaming everyone else for everything and never taking any responsibility for their own actions, maybe they could have rebuilt their shit and created real, functioning countries instead of endless dictatorships.
Why is it that the west managed to become prosperous and stable despite hundreds of years of religious unrest and religious wars, yet the middle east cannot fucking get their shit together and instead decide to subjugate the civilized world instead.
Is it because of the big bad white man magically keeping them down, or because they are just naturally inferior?
>Christianity is basically exactly that
'Fraid not. Christianity is the veneration of Jesus. Now, let's look at the differences between Christ and Mohammed.
Jesus did not own slaves. Mohammed bought, sold, and captured them.
Jesus was nonviolent. Mohammed was a warlord.
Jesus was celibate. Mohammed had multiple wives.
Mohammed stoned bitches. Jesus prevented bitches from being stoned.
Jesus lived in poverty. Mohammed was fuckin' the Arab Rockefeller.
Just going by the most beloved figure in both religions we see the difference between them. There is a reason no one is afraid of Middle Eastern Christians and people piss their pants over Muslims.
>Is it because of the big bad white man magically keeping them down, or because they are just naturally inferior
Maybe that's because western countries caused countless shit on the Middle East since the 19th century for the sake of petroleum. I'm not a middle easterner but i can understand their hatred towards anything. Besides MeNa was having a renaissance while yuros were drinking their own piss and dying like a vermin.
Learn some political history before shitposting /pol/tard.
jesus also appears as a pretty prominent prophet in the Quran and he gets a way better ending.
Instead of dying on the cross god just lets jesus ascend to heaven. then he transforms the face of another man to look like jesus and die in his place.
Now I honestly don't care about either religions I'd just like to point out that other writers cheaply retconing the death of a major character existed way before the death and return of superman.
>is directly responsible for anything happened directly or indirectly
>a convenient excuse
Why you /pol/ tards are so immature when it comes to accepting a fault? I say you also believe Vietnam had a right cause.
I've only read the stuff from this comic that you guys posted here. Seemed slow, dull, cute and girly, and more for teenage girls than for my taste, but I didn't see anything wrong with it.
I think it would be odd for the book to deal with the fucked up politics of the global war on terror.
But I also think it's odd that books that tend to go with "ripped from the headlines" stories cover this poorly, or not at all.
When I say "well", I mean how that one book about the soldier with all the bandages on his head, was it Unknown army? Soldier? dealt with tribal warfare in africa.
At the risk of having this thread go into /pol/ territory, It's a little too complicated to boil down to class and generation warfare.
ISIL actively tries to recruit poor locals in the west. But that's not the whole story.
Most of the Sept. 11 attackers were rich enough to afford an F1 student education visa and the out of state tuition fees you need to support that, and flight school and other things like that..
San Bernadino shooter: He was college educated, making something like 50-70k a year.
The French shooters and bombers are more frequently poor second generation citizens. But several of them could afford international travel to fight and train in Turkey/Syria.
England train bombing. 3 of the 4 were second generation pakistanis, 2 of the 4 went to college. Other two were "chav" class".
Boko Haram and the Janjaweed in Africa on the other hand are dirt poor as poor as fuck locals, or dirt poor as fuck from the middle east. Same as Mumbai, Burma, Indonesia, ect.
>She's completely unrelatable to my generation as far as I can tell. And working at a comic store, her audience is literally tumblr users.
Have you realized how hard you contradicted yourself.
>She's completely unrelatable to my generation... except for the parts of my generation that aren't me!
That's the comic. Lots of comics that you guys show me have poor starving africans or millitants as a prop or problem of the week, but that one stood out because the players and problems actually had some depth.
I'm going to bet that it sold like crap.
I'm not really sure why people don't like Ms. Marvel.
I read her main run and I thought it was funny at times, and I ended up caring about her character. Villain was a little weak, but the good thing is new villains can be introduced.
The muslim thing is just put there as part of her every day life. It's not like she's fighting villains in the name of allah or something. I don't see why people would have a problem with it, because it's not trying to cram "religion of peace" shit down your throat.
Yeah Kamala can be a little bit awkward sometimes, but I personally think it's funny. It felt a little bit overdone one or two times, but I think maybe that's just them trying to get into the groove of it maybe?
Her story is just beginning. There is always room for improvemnt. I think Ms.Marvel has a lot of potential and could end up being a very nice comic book.
This is also my first comic book I ever read so maybe I'm wrong.
I just find her boring. Nothing about her powers is particularly memorable, her status quo and origin is meh, the costume's kinda dull and maybe it's because she's a teenage girl, but I find her personality to not be interesting any way. I read few issues just to see what deal was because everybody was going on about her but honestly, aside from being a well written muslim girl hero, she has nothing going for her in my eyes. I think it's more that I just find G. Willa Wilson's writing to be super bland to a point where it's entirely forgettable, but so far other writers, like Waid who kinda have made her sound a bit obnoxious, haven't really made her be that interesting either.
That's pretty fair man, guess we don't all have to find it interesting.
I have to agree with you about the powers though. I thought they were actually kind of cool when she could shapeshift, I don't know why they decided to get rid of it and just give her generic stretchy powers. It could be used for so many cool jokes and creative fighting I think if they kept it.
>That's exactly what they want you to do.
I'd ask you to try and explain why you think this is the case, but I know you can't. You're just regurgitating meaningless leftist rhetoric you don't understand.
>quality representation of Islam in the media
Haha, no it's a pretty whitewashed version of Islam. Waiting for the issue where Kamala's T*rkroach friend decides to travel to Syria to be an ISIS bride after getting recruited on twitter while her Imam preaches about how Sharia should be the law of the land.
Wow friend, you sure are dumb.
Sharia is divine law, the word of Allah. It takes precedence over ALL man-made laws in the world, and eventually the whole world shall be made to abide by it, with violence if necessary. You are the weakest sort of fool if you believe you are somehow exempt.
If you ever think "it doesn't apply to me", do not forget to add; "-for now."
Bruh, you do realize that ISIS (and fundied in general) hate the moderate gentrified western muslim population, perhaps even moreso than the whites, right? They call them 'the grey zone'. They're basically just westerners, a lot of them pretty far from orthodoxy and they make up the majority of muslim people not living in highly segregated areas. It's that one guy who smokes weed and butters his toast but won't have a bacon sandwich cos 'its haram bro'.
Those are the ones that offer the moderate and western path for young muslims, and are basically the biggest enemy of isis because of it.
Start shitting on them though, you're gonna force the issue and make it easier to radicalise.
It's like you really think they won't immediately become radicalised and stab the west you believe them to be so wonderfully integrated into in the back at a moments notice the second Islam begins the final assault. They are just waiting, and meanwhile your dumb ass actually tries to find excuses for them so it can somehow, SOMEHOW become the fault of the society that takes them in when they take a vacation to Syria to douse some innocent people in gasoline and burn them alive. Yes, they did that because the west is so horrible towards them, shame on us, shame on white people. How very dare we.
I really fucking hate Hijab as a woman.
Like, the concept of it is basically "you must be covered and modest and you cannot choose how to present yourself". It goes beyond modesty and into social bullying, forcing women to cover up one of the most expressive parts of their body (their hair) and blend into the crowd. They talk like it's a choice but it's not. If you don't wear it your family and peers pressure you into it.
It ties into all this shitty submissive traditionalist crap. I mean I get it, I hate sluts too but the way Islam treats women is way too fucking extreme to accept. I feel horrible for these women who have no choice in their lives because their dads and brothers brow beat (or occasionally just beat) them into line.
It makes me angry.
Then you're fucking lucky. One of my highschool classmates got shit kicked in for not wearing it on the street by her father. Nobody gave a fuck, she just told us to not say anything and would deny it if the police or school followed it up.
She was fucking broken. It's not something I'll forget easily.
It's interesting that the reason for wearing it is that, according to Islam, a male cannot control himself, at all. Like, a guy's gonna rape a girl because she has a nice ankle.
So, as much as it is for modesty, it's also for woman's "protection".
But it doesn't for a second help against rape, which is an everyday occurrence in Islamic countries. And it's the woman who gets punished for it afterwards. So what is the fucking point.
Read that post back to yourself aloud, whisper it and maybe stammer a little bit. It has to be quick though.
Now imagine that coming from the mouth of an old guy, wearing a straight jacket, huddled in the corner of a padded cell quietly to himself.
Not an unfitting image, no?
But yeah, not actually any points to respond to, just meaningless emotive 'THEY'RE COMING FOR US ALL' ramblings.
I was actually hoping for a proper argument when I stepped ITT. I enjoy them.
It doesn't change the fact that they represent islam. They might be only the one facet of it, and it's still enough to be at least prejudiced towards islam. I will be more sympathetic towards muslims, when they start themselves fight the extremists.
Saudi Arabia is a ... complicated country. It sees too much power in the hands of low-middle judiciary able to hand out verdicts basically at their own discretion. Also it's the fountain head of wahabisim.
So how is levying social pressure to not wear a hijab, or other traditional head covering any better? It's just bullying them into to the other extreme.
Also headscarves are fucking stylin' I sort of want to seem them break into popular everyday fashion.
Who do you think is fighting ISIS? The UAE, Saudi (don't agree with the govt tho), and a bunch of random groups in Syria are all fighting ISIS and losing their lives. ISIS kill Muslims who don't submit to them.
>>critiquing a savage shit-tier religion that advocates the violent abolishment of democracy, using honor-killings as a legitimate strategy for preserving your daughters innocence and beheading people with a chainsaw for fun is SO INTOLERANT, UGH!
Wait, there's a comic critiquing Christianity?
Spoiler: Yahweh, God, and Allah are all the same angry war-loving prick.
Yeah yeah, try to ridicule things you can't refute. That is, after all, a stable last resort of people like you who cannot come up with actual arguments. It'll make you feel sightly better, for a little while. But you'll still have it in the back of your head, even while droning on to try and convince yourself otherwise.
I hope you live to see the result of your self-imposed ignorance.
I'm not telling you how you should and shouldn't feel. All I'm doing is explaining what the guy I was responding to didn't seem to understand:
If the west starts openly discriminating against moderate islam, it's going to radicalise and feed the war machine like nothing else.
My problem isn't the headscarf itself, it's that I've consistently seen people pressured into wearing it. It's not an inherently bad thing but a tool of tradition and used by bad people to control women.
It'd be great if you could reset the social makeup so that everyone had a fair and consequence-free choice to decide, but you can't do that.
>when they start themselves fight the extremists.
That is not going to happen, ever. Why would you actively fight your own kind. Just ignore them while they're losing and say you were always behind them when they win. Have your cake and eat it too.
Present me with a single, concise and logical point for me to refute and I'll do my best.
I made pretty corporeal points - you gave a rant about how all the muslims are planning to collectively kill the whites or something?
I really WANT to argue with you bro, you're giving me nothing here though.
Not who you're responding to, but you do realise that IS' entire goal is to unite the muslim world in opposition to the west and start an apocalyptic war of civilisations, right? Don't you think that westerners believing that all muslims are radicalised or sympathetic to the radicals would create a situation where more muslims would indeed become radicalised because they only get distrust and hostility from westerners? Now, and stay with me here, would a situation where all westerners and all muslims are uniformly distrustful and hostile towards each other more or less likely to lead to the apocalyptic war of civilisations that IS wants than the status quo?
So yes, uniformly hating muslims is playing into IS' hands, and presumably you don't want that. Unless you want an apocalyptic war of civilisations between islam and the west, in which case congratulations, you are the western version of IS.
>the coming war
Oh, dear god, /pol/. Get medication, you dangerous loons.
You're delusional if you think Christian extremeism is a problem compared to ther Muslim menace, come back when Christians murder people every other day explicitly in the name of the g-d of Abraham.
This comic is popular because it stars a cigar girl acting cute.
You're right, but I imagine the "war" IS has in mind is more literally apocalyptic than figuratively.
As in there would be no muslim army, as soon as the western army arrives the clouds part and Allah smites them.
Thats gotta be the most retarded shit i've heard, if the moderates are really peaceful they wont turn to terrorism if they feel persecuted
The San Bernardino shooting was allowed to happen because they weren't persecuted
Many ISIS members are from the UK where they are pretty much handed a future on a silver platter while native brits suffer
The problem lies with Islam itself, it has a lot of time to evolve before it can integrate with any civilization
It's so true it hurts. Even people at Marvel writer acknowledge that.
Page from gwenpool special
Muslims in the UK aren't treated any better than non-Muslims/whites.
I lived in a rich white neighbourhood and most of my Muslim friends lived in the poor working class area out of the suburbs
I think the point anon was trying to make is that if it was christianity in the politically unstable middle east right now and islam making up the majority of the world's biggest superpower, we'd be seeing The Holy Christian Empire bombing buildings in the name of their messiah Jesus.
It's all just politics.
To be honest I don't want people who'd pick religious violence over their fellow countrymen in my community. If these Muslims are so easily turned towards violence like you're suggesting then they're not worth keeping.
>I will be more sympathetic towards muslims, when they start themselves fight the extremists.
Holy god damn what kind of bubble do you fucking live in?
Try turning on the news when Donald Trump isn't on it you tremendous fucking faggot.
It means ISIS fucking relies on the idea that the Western world opposes Islam to get their fucking recruits you retard. Have you noticed that recent attacks on Western countries were by people from those countries? Gee I bet they never felt alienated from the country they grew up in. Why would you want to further spread the environment that created those particular people in the first place?
You're an idiot who doesn't know jack shit about who we're fighting. I bet you don't even know that ISIS is a direct result of American intervention in the region.
You know who you didn't mention, interestingly enough, are the people on the literal front line against the Daesh. Sunni tribes throughout Iraq. They're also among those who have suffered the worst at IS' hand, and have definitely received the least support from the west. And their own government.
Ask soneone from Rotherham how they feel about Muslins and how they feel like they're treated
You don't care like you said you're rich, you'll vote for more Muslims to cone while you only meet upper crust Muslims while poorer brits suffer, then call them racist from your ivory tower
>so easily turned
Eh, a lot of them are young angry men. Didn't take much to 'turn' white people to antisocial punks in the 70s, didn't take much to 'turn' the same into Mods and Rockers even further back.
The bigger concern for me is if we start seeing attacks and race riots. Pretty much a textbook way to foster an irrational and dangerous hatred for a group - to have a family member killed along racial lines.
>It means ISIS fucking relies on the idea that the Western world opposes Islam to get their fucking recruits you retard. Have you noticed that recent attacks on Western countries were by people from those countries? Gee I bet they never felt alienated from the country they grew up in. Why would you want to further spread the environment that created those particular people in the first place?
Why would you want to pander to them and let them win? It is accurate that the western world opposes Islam. It is an evil religion. Christianity is too but at least Christians have the decency to ignore most of the shit in their evil book. Muslims have difficulty with it.
You realize you just proved me right, right? Have you even read that article, or are you so stupid as to think that a single region is the only threat ISIS or their forces pose?
Do you realize how many branching groups ISIS has?
I don't think we can continue this discussion as long as you lack a clear view of the bigger picture of what's going on in the world, instead of going "Oh! ISIS! The ones who attacked Paris! A blur hur blur blur"
False flag posting. Nice.
Oh fuck yeah, I love calling them Daesh. It pisses them off apparently. I mean, they're never around to hear me say it, but it's the principle of the thing.
Hey, spread the good word brother. Tell two people today to start calling ISIS "Daesh".
>Why would you want to pander to them and let them win?
Pander to "them"? No one said anything about pandering to ISIS. You think not alienating 98% of Muslims is the same as pandering to ISIS?
Fuck it. I'm done with this discussion. I hope Donald Trump wins your election and you can have another proxy war in the Middle East resulting in another violent dictator and then you take down the dictator and create an environment that gives birth to another terrorist group. That'd be a laugh and a fucking half.
Just practicing my Ebonics but fun I'll talk in "White English" for you
Ask someone from Rotherham how they feel about Muslims, and how they feel like they're treated
You don't care. Like you said, you're rich, you'll vote for more Muslims to come while you only meet upper crust Muslims while poorer brits suffer. Then you will call them racist from your ivory tower
I'm assuming that you hate fundamentalist Christians. That's good, I do too. Do you realize that moderate muslims poll as badly or worse than extremist christians? Most of these fuckers think gays should be stoned. Why the fuck are you defending them?
Calling them Daesh in the media is an attempt to avoid connecting them verbally with the religion of Islam, which is seen as alarmist.
For better or for worse, it's a deliberate choice to influence public opinion.
>being this salty about the casual use of a handy pejorative
nigga, what is your deal?
Different anon. You mean the Westboro Baptists faggots.
Most of christians officially denounce them, and a lot of christians, sometimes violently, oppose them during their marches. No one is defending them, and they are a laughing stock.
Oh okay. I'm not the guy you were responding to, but I'd call you a retard just the same.
The right wing in the UK has spent a lot of time and money nursing division in the poor, it's not surprising that there is division in the poor.
The only reason the services are 'overstretched' is because they're being shrunk worse than a spandex suit on a hot cycle. Plus it's in the interests of the better off to keep the worse off arguing with eachother over small shit and staying poor.
Also I work in a call centre and rent half a tiny flat for 70 quid a week mate. No ivory towers here.
>quality representation of Islam
>written by a 40-something white woman who converted less than three years ago
>Indonesia is considered the "moderate muslim country"
>18% of them believe in honor killing
The group is known in Arabic as ad-Dawlah al-Islāmiyah fī 'l-ʿIrāq wa-sh-Shām, leading to the acronym Da'ish or Daesh (داعش, Arabic pronunciation: [ˈdaːʕiʃ]), the Arabic equivalent of "ISIL"
Since most muslims here are turkish, id say all of it is. Or olive coloured - whatever the US fetish for race comes up with these days.
But i shouldve clarified. Most turkish muslims are working class. I have my home in Kreuzberg aka little Istanbul, but live with my girlfriend in east Berlin for the most time.
Berlins gov. tends to give no shits about Kreuzberg, or they didnt till the gentrification started.
Nah, if anything it's a choice made by politicians so as not to alienate moderate muslim voters.
That being said, it's a fair one. Living in the middle east as a fundamentalist militant is pretty far removed from working in a Rotherham Lidl.
Plus again, it pisses them off.
It's not really about IS though. In the west it's about trying to prevent any sort of tension.
It's like how the major parties in the French regional election recently collaborated, pulling out of seats to ensure that the other would win and prevent the nationalists from getting anything.
It may not be morally acceptable to some people but it's a deliberate decision to preserve public order.
The word's got a double meaning or something, too. Like, it translates to "stupid bigot" or some shit and it drives ISISites (ISISees? Icees?) nuts the way white people go crazy when you say they're racist.
btw white people why you gotta be like that? it's just bantz
I dont think it's necessarily anti-multiculturalist at all. You can have a variety of cultures co-existing well enough, if spread neatly through a society they'll naturally gentrify and soften up.
The issue generally comes where you have poverty and ghettoisation and end up with 'the black part of town' and 'the arab part of town'. That's what leads to tensions, distrust and bad shit.
Do you even know what happened in Rotherham? or Rochdale, Derby, Oxford, Bristol, or basically anywhere else?
or will you like go to jail if you mention that stuff
does anyone even have a plan on what to do about that shit or do you like your policemen not doing their jobs because they don't want to be racist?
i forgot though, everyone in the UK is a pedophile
Everything is okay, until economical crisis.
People are capable of living with each other despite the differences as long as they live a good life. However, when the crisis strikes, they are at each others throats.
You mean a group of pedos?
>everyone in the UK is a pedophile
Funny you say that, pretty much everyone seems to be.
I mean firstly, pedos not being grabbed because of police pragmatism is nothing new, look at every childrens' TV presenter from the 70s.
Secondly, this is exactly the kind of shit that happens with insular segregated communities along ethnic lines. That's not something I'm for. (Also an issue that can be solved with funding btw)
Economic crisis for the middle class amounts to
>"Oh no, we'll have to buy our oats off-brand to keep on budget"
If the west (particularly the UK) didn't have such a gaping yawning abyss between its socioeconomic classes, people wouldn't be nearly as desperate and thus dumb shit like that wouldn't be nearly as common.
The problem with the crisises is that it changes the middle class into the lower class. As long as there is a sizable middle class, there is no real crisis, as economical crisis feeds off mainly from the difference between high class and low class.
Do you know what happened?
the criminals happened to be muslim and the police reacted in shit way.
Is this the first time police does that? Is this happening just with muslims?
In Europe? Catholic church ? BBC? Just to name the 2, that instntly come to mind.
Please dont bore us with your hateboner induced hypocricy towards fatima and jamal.
They're mostly economic migrants and not even Syrian, though. Since they don't even need passports to get in, they exploit the open borders, complain about their new homes and vanish from the radar.
The real Syrian refugees are the people in camps in the middle east waiting for the war to end.
Also you apparently didn't read my post. Shit like honour killings and pedo rings happen because of big cultural glots, where integration doesn't happen. That, in turn, usually happens as a result of people with next to nothing being forced into the cheapest areas. Then you get your collection of people with the common ground in one set of cultural values and crippling poverty.
Happened a lot with america.
There is a solution, it involves spending money however, so it won't be considered.
60% of Syrian refugees are grown men (who frankly should be fighting for their families)
who knows how many more are lying about their age
and 1/3 "refugees" aren't even from Syria
and many refugees have already made it to safe countries like Turkey or Hungary. A refugee isn't a person who tries to leave a country because they think they can get more money from another one
We may be using different definitions of middle class.
A doctor doesn't cease being a doctor because of a crash, neither does a university lecturer.
They become poorer, but they dont become working class. They retain a good degree of stability throughout.
The funniest part is, during the last one, the most well off just saw an increase in their average worth.
When Catholics (especially priests) turn out to be pedos, there make headlines, and everyone gives them shit for that. When muslims are pedos, everyone pretends to look the other way.
the solution is sending them back, multiculturalism is a failed project
maybe the UK should start deporting criminals instead of giving them such lax sentences
when it was found out about Catholics everyone cared, there's even a fucking movie about it now. but Muslims, no one cares and it still happens
Sending them back?
Have you stepped back to consider how:
C) Economically damaging
that would be?
I mean sure, secret police would be required. We'd have to establish religions, so maybe surveillance laws should be given a wider remit, or is it just that we should pack the brown people into boats?
We'd need to store them, I'm thinking some kind of camp.
Nah, I'm officially labelling you a retard and moving on.
Nah, i live with them all my life. While the conservtivism of most uneducated families are annoyimg in that community, i very much enjoy the company of some educated turkish friends of mine. Some i know since kindergarden.
It is really an education issue.
how expensive do you really think it is to deport people. i'm not so sure how expensive it is for refugees but for illegals Eisenhower only needed a couple hundred agents and saved the US billions
Export people who are integrated in a country from top to bottom including 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th generation settled families?
Along ethno-religious lines?
Are we planning to bring back anthropometric skull tests?
You tell me, anon.
Actually, for the most time after ww2 noone gave a shit about the systematic rape and mistreatment of young children under the care of the catholic church. Even now priests are just sent to other countries.
In Spain the church helped tricking thousands of leftleaning families into believing their child died at birth and took their newborn away from them.
And you are telling me the rotterdam issue is something noone talks about, while it gets constantly pushed as 'look what the muslims do'?
This dishonest trope becomes really boring really fast.
what kind of argument is this? After ww2 no one gave a shit about muslims either.
ONE is scrutinized publicly by the media, the OTHER is silenced by media. Just because people are capable of finding about the truth outside of mainstream media, doesn't change the fact that the public media paint a double-standard picture.
Deport criminals to their ancestral homelands?
Yeah alright. My stepbro goes and kills someone, he'll be packed up and sent to sweden presumably then? He's got some viking on his mothers' side around 30 generations back.
God I hope Merkel will be alight with all the saxons we'll have to deport.
>hey kid, I know being a 12 year old victim of systematic rape is bad, but it's your fault for being catholic
Really now, bucko?
>death sentence for muzzie child rapists
So, you would apply that rule on everyone? Not just your fetishgroup?
And you advocate it on 4chan? Neckbeard pedoland?
Please, tell me how you are not a giant hypocrite.
i am all ears.
Whoops I need to go to bed. I didn't mean to imply we had a lot of resources. We are currently have problems in a number of places when it comes to water and there are other estimations. It's not looking good at the rate of consumption we are approaching.
over population is only a problem for shitty countries
under population is a problem for 1st world countries
1st world countries should at least keep stable native populations
3rd world countries should have less
ironically this is the opposite case
1st world countries have less children
3rd world countries can't stop having more children they can't afford
Most of those are in shitty third-world countries.
The poorer a person, the less concerned with enviromentalism he tends to be. Immigrants won't solve the problem.
Its' the parents fault?
Kid gets raped by Father O'Gropey, but that's completely fine because it's the parents' fault for being catholics.
The Catholic priests aren't THAT bad, because they're only raping the children of Catholic families.
This is what you are saying, anon.
well not being Catholic, but more like not being responsible, you should even be careful around your priest
i don't want my children being at risk with a Catholic Priest so i'm not Catholic
but Muslims i have no control if my children get raped, the police in the UK will arrest me if i try to save them
as far as i'm concerned with Catholics i hope they're aware that it's their duty to save their children and priests. just like if it was any peoples
but the Muslim stuff is another case, its being swept under the rug and people aren't allowed to save their children because the police are chicken shit
You are aware the families live with this shit day in day out and the pedo priests being sent away is an issue of today?
Lets talk about the systematic coverup of rape at the BBC.What is good enough for you?
Nothing. You will just scream 'muhziiies are eviiil' all day, every day. No matter the argument you are confronted with.
You can go on and join your /pol/ echochamber. I am done trying to reason with pure indoctrintion.
>Instead of dying on the cross god just lets jesus ascend to heaven. then he transforms the face of another man to look like jesus and die in his place.
>I'd just like to point out that other writers cheaply retconing the death of a major character existed way before the death and return of superman.
I'm happy to know this
I don't watch BBC, so I don't know what you're talking about. However, there is a huge resurgence of catholic priests who are being revealed to be pedos. Whether they will be sent away or not, it remains to be seen. But I do know that a lot of them end up in prison. At least in my country.
The likely winner of this year's Oscar for Best Picture is going to be Spotlight, a movie about the exposing of the Catholic pedophilia scandal. That's how much these issues get scrutinized and publicized when Christians are at fault.
Now imagine if someone made a movie about Rotherham, an Oscar-quality movie --- imagine how many people would scream and bitch about racism and Islamophobia.
>and a bunch of random groups in Syria are all fighting ISIS
I have to agree with that anon. I just found out that there's this group in Syria who is trying to secretly reveal the ISIL-controlled neighborhood there and the quality of life of the people. There was even a woman who secretly videotaped her surroundings just so the group can have proof of how bad their life under ISIL is.
I think the group is made up of Syrian journalists and civilians who try to do what they can. One of the journalists got beheaded because an ISIL member found his laptop or something.
when you don't fight for secular values you let a nation be taken over by radicals
i.e Islamic Revolution of 1979. its sad Iran couldn't join us in the modern era. Thanks Carter
Funny, as a Muslim I'm going to my mothers for Christmas for a family dinner. Seems funny to you? Not to us.
Why is that? We grew up in Kuwait. Like many gulf states, you got Christmas and other holidays off. Because Arabs love getting together and eating.
Do we care it's Christmas? Hell no. Christmas, Halloween, Eid, they're all excuses to get together with people, share food and have some fun time.
I never understood people who live in the west and don't celebrate Christmas in some fashion. Just sit down with friends and family,stuff your face and ignore any religious symbolism.
I'm not the one you were arguing with most of the time.
The secularists were a large part of the revolution, but they were betrayed by the fundamentalists and executed with everyone else.
Lesson: Always be the faction that has the guns.
The fall of Iran had nothing to do with not 'fighting for secular values' but had everything to do with the Shah being a tyrannical dictator who tortured his enemies and violently suppressed dissent. But because the Shah was supported by the west any Iranians opposed to him had to join either the Communists or the Islamists, and since the Shah went after the Communists most violently most Iranian dissenters naturally went with the Islamists.
Saw a docu about Iran and Iraq in the late 80s and early 90s. Their place looked like a really nice and bustling metropolitan city, with thriving art and poetry, and numerous museums and libraries.
It's a shame that's all gone now.
>when you don't fight for secular values you let a nation be taken over by radicals
Yeah, well maybe America shouldn't have overthrew Iran's democratically elected secular government in the 50's and replaced it with a pet dictator.
Another fun fact, Iran is actually doing more to fight Daesh than America's Gulf Arab 'allies'
They've cratered a few IS instillations. But yea the focus is going to be easing the pressure on Assad since he gives Russia access to a Naval base. And whomever Obama and fellows have setup to take his place (some western educated business Muslim) But that isn't going to happen especially since Obama has treated Putin so poorly as an equal.
>Russia mostly attacks their enemies (everybody who would not be chill with Assad)
>Turkey mostly attacks their enemies (Mountainturks, because Kurds ain't real)
>USA mostly attacks their enemies (ISIS)
Nothing to see here, I say.
>No True Scotsman shit can fuck off - there is no 'true' Islam, there's Islam as different people practice it, just as with anything else
NTS doesn't apply to religions because there are written rules that establish what is and isn't required for/accepted within the faith. Someone who blatantly says "I don't believe in Jesus" cannot be considered a Christian. Someone who regularly eats pork cannot be considered a Muslim.
That may be the case, but lasting peace in that area is simply not going to happen unless Assad is gone. Russia is actively working against everyone else's interests by keeping him in power and weakening his enemies.
Putin is just scrabbling for a fun little war that's both profitable and good for distracting his populace from how shitty their lives are.
>I'm not a middle easterner but i can understand their hatred towards anything.
lol you're justifying terrorists killing thousands of innocent westerns and treating their own people like dirt because of centuries old events
go cut off your microscopic penis right now bud
I know, I just find it funny that for the middle east
>the enemy of my enemy, must be killed
mad they sure love to hate, I mean I don't like some people in parts of my country but damn they're just going at it
Religions change and evolve, and NTS can definitely apply. People pick out what's convenient for them and what isn't. Christian, Muslims, and basically everyone else that's ever believed in anything has been doing this since believing became a thing.
What you believe in today is the result of thousands of different people selectively interpreting hundreds of texts and associated ideologies. You have virtually nothing common with the Christian or Muslim or Buddhist or whatever of a hundred years ago, let alone five hundred or a millennia.
The joke is that Turkey doesn't accept Kurds as a seperate ethnicity for fear that it could cost them about a third of their nation and create a perpetually pissed-off neighbour beyond their control. They generally call them "Mountain Turks" in official lingo as a result of that.
Rules can be interpreted. The authenticity of texts can and is often questioned.
Modern Christians still can't agree on whether the stuff in Corinthians about gays is actually talking about gays, for example. Any Christian or Muslim with any level of religious tutelage knows that certain texts are suspect and require a great deal of study to determine whether they're even legit.
I agree with you guys in that people pick and choose, but I would also say that each religion has a few core tenets that, if rejected, disqualifies you as being a member of that faith. Otherwise, wouldn't every religion be the same as all others?
Like Muslims believe in Jesus, but they don't accept him as his savior. You couldn't call them Christians who pick and choose, you know?
>Obama has treated Putin poorly
Kinda the other way around.
Nah Obama has been a petty shit calling Putin a regional power, deriding the status of Russia and ignoring them on just about everything to do with security.
Putin has been pressing Obama to be more proactive in global affairs for years instead of just tossing bombs and drones at the problems. Till now he's finally fed up and now leading the charge without him.
I used to believe that. Now I wonder if a strongman like Assad is necessary to keep the region in line.
The Kurds deserve their own country. Thanks to ISIS fuckery, they may even wind up getting it, though not nearly to the extent they want.
>Do we care it's Christmas? Hell no.
Welcome to Europe.
Many people I know don't even move their ass to church for Christmas, despite being nominally Christian.
For me Christmas has always been a 3-day feast-athon with the whole family.
Aamir's an Inhuman. It's just the mist he got affected by wasn't Terrigen and screwed up his transformation.
He doesn't seem to be dodging anything. He explained Kamala's origin to her quite clearly, and he seems completely in the dark about issues like Inhumans and superpowers. If anybody may know more than they're letting on, Kamala's mother is the more likely one since she figured out her daughter's secret really fast.
Ok, I can see where you're coming from with that assertion.
I've been saying this since day one. She's not a good Muslim by most standards, and not assimilated either. She's this shitty attempt to appeal to anyone which results in a person that's completely unrelatable to actual Muslims.
Then again part of that is because she's in high school. She'll go to Rutgers and turn into a giant whore like all of them. Then she'll marry some faggot fob doctor when she's out of school.
Yeah I'm sure you'll still be saying that when you and your casual friends go see Star Wars and get shot up by another jihadist :^)
When Trump becomes prez and outlaws muslims from immigrating to the U.S. obviously the pakis, saudis, iranians and syrians are going to be pissed
She's a pretty good Muslim by most standards.
The average western Muslim, like the average western Christian, is pretty choosey when it comes down to what rules they follow what they disregard. She's definitely relatable to a whole horde of 2-3rd generation children of immigrant families who are caught in a weird place between what their families expect and what they want and realistically see for themselves.
Just leave if it's triggering you
This is more worthwhile discussion than talking about "cute" and "adorkable!! XD" Kamala is
>be more proactive in global affairs for years instead of just tossing bombs and drones at the problems
so like...invading countries?
we had enough of that shit halfway into his predecessor's second term
> is pretty choosey when it comes down to what rules they follow what they disregard.
That totally gives them a pass for following horrid cults :)
Just cut out all of the no-longer-socially-acceptable stuff, then it's great! :)
That's exactly the mindset ISIS wants western people to have, it makes it easier to indoctrinate alienated youth. ISIS doesn't want you to be a Muslim, ISIS wasn't to destroy anything that isn't.
Yeah, except other sunnis, shias and the vast majority of the Islamic world still lives and breathes this savagery, and can convert "moderates" at the drop of a hat. Stop being a stupid naive little bitch, your Uncle Tom brown friend doesn't mean shit, he's going to hell for betraying his own religion and push comes to shove you're a fucking infidel.
>/pol/ stereotype rambles about muhjadin hiding in every corner falafel stand
>others argue about how secularized Kamala should be
>a couple posts about Obama because why the fuck not
yeah this is such a great thread
For one thing, we should never have entered Iraq. IS wouldn't exist if not for Georgie-Boy's crusade. That's not to say another head wouldn't spring from the radical Islam hydra, but you're mad we didn't keep throwing firemen and bags of money into a forest fire Bush started? For another, we agreed upon a withdrawal date with the Iraqi government, which already has issues appearing legitimate. Try telling the average Iraqi civilian their ineffectual new government isn't a puppet when the one thing the Americans promised it--a withdrawal date--gets changed because the Americans wanted to change it.
What's "halfway"? How long is long enough? If we stay there and get killed by IEDs long enough will the country stop trying to kill us?
>/pol/ stereotype rambles about muhjadin hiding in every corner falafel stand
funny how absolutely no one has said that in this thread
your comment is actually more racist than anything said about the problems with islam
>a couple posts about Obama because why the fuck not
>libcuck gets triggered by literally 4 posts criticizing obama
> Thanks to ISIS fuckery
The US not sending in enough soldiers to prevent the breakup of Iraq was kinda more important here. That's what cause the spillover of Iraqis that destabilized the regions next to the independant kurdish parts of Iraq...
No one's literally said there's a muslim assassin hidden behind every corner falafel stand, but you're jerking us both off if you think that sentiment isn't expressed in >>78200888.
>Jesus did not own slaves
Jesus, presuming he existed, was too poor to own slaves. He did, however, condone slavery and prescribed methods on which slaveowners should beat their slaves.
>Jesus was non-violent
>Jesus was celibate
How is this a good thing? Asexuals are fucking creepy. Probably molested little boys or something. Like that crying child in the garden of Gethesame.
>Jesus poor, Mohammed rich
True to an extent. Jesus was a radical socialist who condemned rich people to hell. But since when has this mattered to modern Christianity? All Christians try to do these days is get rich, make it look like they're caring for the poor, while fucking them over.
Really? Pretty sure between the Fort Hood shooting and the San Berandino shooting, Muslim fundies have pulled ahead of Christian fundies.
Most mass shootings here are done by messed up NEET types or gangbangers shooting other gangbangers.
>yeah this is such a great thread
It is, if you don't like it, find another one. Besides, the rest of your post makes a lot of sense, so why not stay with the discussion?
I'm glad you feel that way, seeing as most of the States' population is part of one of those cults. It'd be pretty hard to interact with society if you couldn't stand anyone with a murder-happy holy book.
That's every religion.
Luckily, most of them are secularizing at a rapid pace.
They exclude 9/11 from those statistics because it's such an outlier that it would put Muslim fundies far ahead of right-wing fundies. But even so, the way they interpret those statistics is such horse manure.....they say white radicals are a greater threat because they've committed twice as many attacks as Muslim radicals since 9/11. But Muslims only make up like, 3-5% of the country. If at 5% they're already committing 50% as many radical attacks as a majority population that grossly outnumbers them, what, logically, do these people expect to happen when that 5% grows?
when even Buddhists are sick of Muslims that should really put things into perspective
From what I've seen/read etc, the further you get from a conflict, the more likely a person is to think that 'their side' was right.
Take this with a grain of salt mind you, since I'm applying Irish/British relations to other things, but people who grew up in a conflict and have lived through it seem to be less likely to be an extremist, especially after the fact, than their children and grandchildren who have never experienced the conflict, but have this rose tinted view of it.
The older generations get sick and tired of fighting and just want to live their lives in peace. The younger generations however believe that their elders gave up, sold out, or betrayed 'our kind' and are more willing to turn to the extremists who sell them the bullshit.
Best example of this sort of thing in /co/ related things that I can think of is the Kitchen Irish arc of Punisher Max.
>DC has a Muslim character too that doesn't bring up he's Muslim
Except him being a muslim is brought up nearly every issue.
Thing is though, he ISN'T a muslim. His father is, but his mother is a Catholic. Or just Christian. One of the two. Both of them are moderate in their faith, and Khalid himself doesn't identify with a religion.
>this entire thread
You know for a board that hates /pol/ so much it astounds me how you all manage to have threads so similar to theirs.
>muslim sympathizers still dont realise that once they take over gays will be dragged into the street and hanged and any uppity females will be beaten and have acid thrown in their faces
i dont give a fuck but I'm sure many of you will
he also fugged a 9 year old
>the rules of modern society should apply to history
It wasn't right back then either you fucker, a child who has just had her first period may technically be able to bear a child of her own, but her own body is still developing and the chances of complications are astronomical.
If they were claiming to be Christian? sure what the fuck do I care about the title they give to their imaginary friend. But the problem here is that they're NTSing one another based on a system that has a shit load of interpretations. Look at this crazy ass chart, it's like saying that the green area has authority to say the yellow area is or isn't muslim.
I really like Ms. Marvel.
I was expecting full tumblr, but what I got was an almost Peter Parker-esque coming of age superhero story. Yeah, it definitely has its quirks, but it's still enjoyable
claims were made that gays were hanged in the street and women had acid thrown in their faces in america in the 50's, I'm very curious to know more, the person making those claims surely has at the very least eye witness accounts of such events, I would be very interested in reading them, or more substantial evidence if available. One thing's for certain, the person who made the claim definitely didnt just blurt it out in a pathetic "oh yeah? well..... x was just as bad!!" moment of stupidity typical of liberals suffering from cognitive dissonance.
>He did, however, condone slavery and prescribed methods on which slaveowners should beat their slaves.
That was Paul. Also, he said to treat them like any brother or sister in Christ. Hence, not a whole lot of beating.
I don't think 'x was just as bad' would apply since we're talking about comparing a (presumably) real historical event to a fictional, hypothetical future event.
That being said, going off the original greentext, examples of women being beaten would apply, with examples of women having acid thrown in their faces as a secondary offense. That being said, it's not like America has a...fantastic history of non-violence against women in the 50's, especially in the South.
While I can't contest to anon's claims of gay men being hung - or hanged? Whatever - in the streets, there was the McCarthy era witch hunts against gay men and women, even going so far as to attempt to link homosexualism/homosexuality to them dirty Reds.
I mean fuck, we lost Alan Turing because he was allegedly into some hot man ass.
No, homosexuality was linked almost exclusively to paedophilia. And that was because the old fags tended to go for younger lovers. And if a 40 year old man got it on with a 18 year old guy, that was no different from a 80 year old and a 10 year old in the minds of the people then.
You didn't think I could come up with evidence that you asked a totally unrelated anon to give you? I agree. Though why you're acting so stuck up about it, I don't know.
I do remember it being linked to Communism, but that may have just been as a general catch all. You know, Communism is Anti-America. Lefties are Anti-America. People who don't like the president are Anti-America. Gays are Anti-America!
Throw in something about ruining the white picket, 2.4 children American dream of a nuclear family and you're good to go. Bonus points if you can somehow work in a conspiracy of gay men trying to seduce totally normal, upstanding straight men away from their wives and children.
Say what you want about the Red Scare, but I fucking love reading the loops they tried to jump through to come up with reasons their neighbour was somehow destroying America
And that is why he ended up the way he did and why Christianity ended up going the way it did.
"Hey, we really shouldn't separate ourselves from the gentiles."
"We need to get rid of him, tell the Romans."
The only reason I give two shits about Kamala is because Alphona and Miyazawa are great artists and brown-skin girls make my dick hard.
/aco/ urgently needs threads of her engaging in al-Kaba'ir
Fanart idea: Kamala and Carol (wearing the "politically incorrect costume") engaging in 'sodomy'.
It's actually Kamala's imagination while humping a pillow
Drunk Carol saying culturally insensitive sexy things from Aladdin while dressed as Jasmine.
"Come my little Street Rat, come into my Cave of Wonders and touch my ruby."
Kamala getting increasingly aroused.
>Is there any reason to believe he didn't?
Apart from the New Testament, there isn't much evidence that he existed at all. No major contemporaries of his time (eg. Josephus) talk about anyone called "Jesus of Nazareth". Also, consider that ancient Nazareth was less than a dirt hamlet: it didn't even appear on the maps (most commonly accepted theory says that Jesus came from Nazareth, not Bethlehem).
A major figure in Judea at that time, however, was John the Baptist.
Modern day (Rabbinical) Judaism and Christianity have their origins in the same event: the Roman sack of Jerusalem in 70 CE and the destruction of the Second Temple.
>He was a Rabbi Philosopher that taught lessons on acceptance and goodwill
>Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34)
>He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” (Luke 22:36)
Same, to me christmas is just forced annual leave. which means for the first time all year everyone will be back in my home town all it once. I'm muslim and I'm home for the holidays for the first time in six months and I'm hosting a christmas party just because I want the excuse to gather everyone I care about in one place.