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Why do people hate this movie so much?

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Why do people hate this movie so much?
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It's mostly because everyone in the movies try to out-quip each other
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Mmmm omelette

This movie killed all hype for civil war and marvel in general
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>>78175529
Because it was a disjointed mess of a movie, with a lame incarnation of a villain that should have been threatening.
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I liked it.

I like most anything.
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>>78175529
that film never reach a climax, that film is neither good nor bad.
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Cringy dialogue

>you should come to the party
>no thanks..will thor be there Xd

>Clearly you've never made an omelette

>Avengers Ass


Cringy scenes

>That house party scene
>natashaxbanner
>the twins


B-but Civil war will be better right??
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Because it was shit
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>>78175529
>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXcellent BAIT UNLOCKED
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Because Joss is a dirty SJW and thus all his work past and present is automatically 1/10 to /co/.

It's not a fantastic movie by any means, but you’re lying to yourself if you think all the flaming vitriol for AoU on here is just because of the movie. Once /co/ dislikes a person's politics they become inherently a terrible writer.

>inb4 hurr /co/ isn't one person

You're either a shitposter or blind if you think the board doesn't have general opinions the majority share.
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>>78175529
Because even casuals forget what happened in the movie.
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>>78175529
Joss Whedon sabotaged the movie from the beginning. He knew he wasnt going to do any more marvel movies, so he tried to destroy the franchise with this one.
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>>78175529
>This movie came out a few months ago

I don't even remember it happened. No one give's a shit about marvel
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>>78175529
>shitty add on new characters.
>shitty eastern European premise.
>meme ultron.
>Thor hottub time machine

they should have added antman, BP, mocking bird, Monica(ms marvel)

Natalie herschlag should have been the Wasp.

but not they want the Jew twins and Nazi tier evil organization, so shitty.
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>>78175529
Didn't hate it, but it made Ultron have emotions. He's a lot scarier if he's just dead hard logic. You wouldn't be able to out quip anyone like that
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>MUH BLACK WIDOW

and

>lmao Ultron is quipping look at me quip him
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It's kind of a mess with all the noticeable missing scenes.
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How can a movie with so much action be so fucking boring?
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>>78175666
I think it should have been a mix of the two. MCU Ultron is born by absorbing all cultural information Tony Stark had to offer, so he should have a basic concept of making a point with humor or sarcasm. But it should be slightly off in an unsettling way.
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>>78175666

But Satan, Ultron has never been emotionless outside of EMH.

People seem to think Ultron is STAS Brainiac for some reason.
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>>78175691
I think a good portion of the movies shortcomings are because of this.
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>>78175716
but age of ultron came out before jurassic world?
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>>78175732
the trailer
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>>78175716
>>78175718
>>78175724
>>78175729
Basically what I'm saying is people didnt like the movie because of the way Black Widows character was treated. The trailers for the movie seemed darker and more serious than what it was, /co/ felt something was off with the third trailer. All the scenes taken out as well ust make the movie feel so odd. Quickslav died for no reason
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>>78175728
What's even more strange is that most critiques of the film skim over this. Like, some scenes flat out are nonsense. When Pietro and Wanda first meet Ultron, she goes "I thought that...nevermind" and I was so confused in theaters in what she was about to say. I know now what she meant, but it is weird that nobody flawed the movie for these bizarre moments.
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>>78175758
The Black Widow stuff is so tedious. Yes, Hawkeye has a wife, but that doesn't make the entire farm stuff pointless.
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>>78175758
I love the memes we got out of it though
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>>78175760
Right? The special effects seemed real off/unfinished to me as well, yet no one I knew seemed to hold the same opinion
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>>78175775
I liked Hawkeyes family desu. The movie has flaws for sure, but I think alot of people had high expectations and were convinced that the things they wanted were going to be in there, and the were just let down
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>>78175758
>Quickslav died for no reason

Was a low key fuck you to Fox
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npt3TtLbH_A
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>>78175798
I went in with low expectations and was still disappointed
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>>78175804
>low key
I spent a month confused because I thought people were talking about Loki
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>>78175529
Ultron wasn't all that threatening especially with all the jokes. His hoard would have been fucked up by the chitauri.
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>>78175716
nigger was just mad salts 'cause he'll never be a sharp looking lad like Chris Pratt
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Teeth.
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>>78175944
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>>78175895
>>78175944
>the manical murderbot needs to express emotions

Fuck Whedon.
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>>78175529
Hate? Just because it's a crappy movie, does it mean that I hate it? It's a brainless blockbuster fun. Hating Avengers is like hating hamburgers.
However, defending Avengers, like it was some masterpiece, now that's disturbing.
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>>78175965
>he's never had a gourmet hamburger
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>>78175935
How hard would it have been to quickly make him some light armor?
>well kid we're off to fight a killer robot armed with guns, lasers, and explosives, go put on some fresh clothes. Yeah, just past my super science lab
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>>78175977
>gourmet hamburger
And this is trying too hard. It's still a hamburger
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>>78176029
Oh yeah and a lamborghini is just a car
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>>78176058
Well, Volkswagen is better.
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>>78175627
lol, this is the movie that made me hate whedon honestly. Stop defending him like he's pop culture jesus
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>>78175529
Because Joss Whedon said dumb things about GG on Twitter.
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>>78175666
>Didn't hate it, but it made Ultron have emotions. He's a lot scarier if he's just dead hard logic.
Confirmed for not knowing shit about Ultron.
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>>78175627
Fucking this.
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Avengers 1 had the buildup of Phase 1
Avengers 2 was just another movie.
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>>78175529

ultron is too easy to defeat
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When Ultron is the worst part about your Ultron movie, you failed miserably

He's too jokey cause Whedon only knows how to write in a way that lets the audience know that hes so quirky and le nerdy

Ultron's motives were completely wrong, his design is ugly as fuck, and he is too fucking easy to defeat. One of the best things about Ultron is how he was able to kick the entire team's asses by himself. He never gave the team any real challenge or danger. Instead they rehash the army shit from the first movie.
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>>78176809
>Ultron's motives were completely wrong
How so?
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>>78176819
>Imma save you by killing everyone!
This shit is so overdone and was already proved retarded by so many people.
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>>78176819
he wanted to make humanity stronger by causing a biblical catastrophe. Sounds a lot different from saving the planet by killing the human race.

He's basically Aria from Killer Instinct if she was a memer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7wZAypppHU
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>>78176838
That's Ultron's motive like 90% of the time, though.
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>>78176854
>he wanted to make humanity stronger by causing a biblical catastrophe. Sounds a lot different from saving the planet by killing the human race.
That makes more sense, though. Killing everyone doesn't protect anything but a rock.
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>>78176857
hes not suppose to be saving humanity, hes trying to bring peace on earth. He fucking despises humans
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>>78176857
I admit, I haven't read everything about Ultron, but what I have read implies that his motivation typically is somewhere between "I want to kill all humans because I hate them" and "Fuck you Dad! Imma wreck all of your shit!"
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>>78176857
Comics Ultron wants to kill organics because fuck organic life, not some vague idea of "you want to save the world but you don't want it to change"
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>>78176905
It's closer to:
>>78176881
Which was his goal by the end of the movie, anyway.
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I don't hate it, but it was definitely awful when compared to the first movie.

Not so much because of special effects, but because of sheer writing. The one-liners, the way things progressed during the movie, it was all either weird or meh-tier.
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>>78176911
In both cases it's an extreme extension of his creator's views.
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>>78176911
That 'vague idea' turns into exactly what you said by the end of the movie when his rationalizations are stripped away. You don't know what you're talking about, honestly.
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>>78176931
I don't get people who say this. I can get hating it, but it was an improvement over the first movie in pretty much every way. Stronger characterization, better choreography and cinematography, and stronger theming.
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This film is a masterpiece. It's literally Nietzsche. Joss Whedon is brilliant.
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>>78175529
its poorly paced and poorly structured, the story is a mess, the twins and their backstory are haphazardly inserted into the plot, the characters are booring, ultron is the lamest villian yet, the actions of tony make no sense in regards to how he creates and evil robot and then creates another robot to stop him, the plan of levitating a city and then crsh it into the ground to kill all humans is beyond stupid, artifitial intelligence is explored in the dumbest, most superficial of ways, it all feels like a more clunky retreading of the first movie.

it brought nothing new or interesting
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Honestly the movies have gotten into a rut where the villains are always "one and done" in a single movie. Ultron's main threat in the comics is to never be able to be destroyed really, as he's just a piece of information that can reincarnate himself. This movie discarded that aspect and made him just another miniboss.
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When the tryhard hacks behind Honest Trailers mention there was an excess of unfunny, misplaced quips in the movie, you know Whedon really did overplay his hand this time.
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>>78177132
Marvel can't into villains because after Disney made them their dog they can't risk anything that would scare kids or girlfriends
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>>78175775
The worst thing about the black widow stuff is how fucking ridiculous it is. "Oh no, I had to give up having children when I was way too young to even grasp the fucking scope of what that might mean" is bad enough. Her feeling guilty about it just reaffirms her weakness and makes you question why she's on the Avengers at all. Make her kill a baby or something if you want to bring up something the character would plausibly regret.

>>78176961
Ultron having to rationalise fuck all is one of the things that hurts my brain in the movie. He's a killer robot. He's far more effective without failed and flawed attempts at 'explaining' his motives to the audience.

>>78176970
You are so full of shit I do not even know where to start.
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>>78177158
Then why do Netflix villains suck too if it's not for kids?
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>first posters depict the team getting bumfucked by a gazillion Ultron drones
>the army in the movie doesn't even fill a slav-town and the drones are weak enough that some guys can punch them into pieces, so they would be no problem for Hulk or Thor alone if it wasn't for the fact that they are only as strong as the plot demands
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>>78175674
this
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>>78177246
>Ultron having to rationalise fuck all is one of the things that hurts my brain in the movie. He's a killer robot. He's far more effective without failed and flawed attempts at 'explaining' his motives to the audience.
That's not how Ultron is. He's always been just as emotional and irrational as the humans he hates.

>You are so full of shit I do not even know where to start.
How? Argue even one of those points.
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>>78175666
>The only Ultron is EMH Ultron
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>>78175895
>we'll never have klaatu biriktu Ultron
>we got more bayformers schlock with robot eyebrows
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>>78177380
1. Show, don't tell. He's all CGI anyway, you could make a cool montage of Ultron's 'better world' as some sort of machine dream.
2. Villains work better if their motives remain unclear and open to interpretation, especially if they're meant to be of an epic scope.
3. When the villain is already not a physical threat because the avengers steamroll him through almost the entire movie, adding quips amasse makes him seem like Marvin the Martian.

>argue even one of those points

I believe I just did without even trying.
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>>78177397
its the best ultron thats for sure
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>>78175618
All the scene you are mentionning were fucking good.
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>>78177443
>Show, don't tell.
They show us Ultron acting emotionally and irrationally all throughout the film.

>Villains work better if their motives remain unclear and open to interpretation, especially if they're meant to be of an epic scope.
This is the opposite of true if your villain is meant to have a twisted version of the hero's motives.

And nothing in that post says how the first movie had better characterization, cinematography, choreography, or theming.
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>>78175529
Don't ask me, this movie was awesome. the hate for it make no fucking sense.

It's like people who complain about quipping don't read comics. Seriously, though, not a single one of them break the mood, they were always perfectly timed and fitted the moment.
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>>78177485
No, EMH Ultron was a shitty Skynet wannabe, with nothing of what makes Ultron unique or interesting.
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>>78177504
My only complaint isn't the jokey nature, that's just what the MCU is, they've taken the movies in a comedy route and that isn't gonna change. My complaint is that it failed to feel "new", I'm on board with the MCU despite it being overly lighthearted but I still expect to see something that doesn't feel rehashed, hopefully they deliver soon since they have new characters
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>>78177443
>1. Show, don't tell. He's all CGI anyway, you could make a cool montage of Ultron's 'better world' as some sort of machine dream.
>2. Villains work better if their motives remain unclear and open to interpretation, especially if they're meant to be of an epic scope.
>3. When the villain is already not a physical threat because the avengers steamroll him through almost the entire movie, adding quips amasse makes him seem like Marvin the Martian.
The movie does al of the thing you are mentioning.

1.It show his project. and literally show us his huge metero. It show us his Vision
2. it remain kind of unclear about certain interesting aspect: he wanted to force evolution on humanity, but did he do it because Ultron already knew about Thanos? What would have he done, had he got Vision's body? We will nver know how his plan would have play out.
3. Ultron IS a physcal threat. He destroy everything on his path, till the very end he was unstoppable. It's ULTRON who STEAMROLL the avenger during all of the movie, they only get the best out of him near the end, thanks to Vision. he is everywhere and unstoppable. You can feel his inevitability all along the movie. The quip made him even more interesting.

Eveyrhting you have said was wrong.
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>>78177500
They "show" a bunch of expository dialogue on his grand plan before he even gets close to completing it, which further marginaises Ultron. Ultron's characterisation is so explicite and in your face, I felt like I was watching something written for five year olds. Actually, Ultron felt like he was a five year old, and nowhere near the level of threat it would even need the Avengers to deal with. The Dragonball Z final showdown with the kamehamehas didn't help either.

As for your second bit of whine, are you seriously going to try and tell people Ultron's characterisation is better done than Loki?
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>>78177595
>they've taken the movies in a comedy route and that isn't gonna change.
The thing is, it has actually a mix of comedy and seriouslness. I get that' it's not for everyone taste, but the mix of humor and seriousness is basically the same than the one in the Orginal Star Wars movie. I am okay with that.
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>>78177595
>but I still expect to see something that doesn't feel rehashed
So far, all the MCU have been good surprise to me. it help that the trailer don't spoil too much.
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>>78177624
>They "show" a bunch of expository dialogue on his grand plan before he even gets close to completing it, which further marginaises Ultron.
So, you didn't actually watch the movie.

they show the Vision body.

They show the fucking meteor, it's up for eveyone to see for 20 minutes and it's looming presence kept Ultron becoming more of a threat.
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>>78177617
1. And if that was all they'd done, it would have been good. Instead they yammer about it incessantly.
2. That only holds true if you even realise Thanos plays a roll at all. In case you missed the memo, Whedon did his best to write him out of everything. It's not applicable to the MCU, sorry.
3. Ultron is not a physical threat. The only time he truly succeeds is when the avengers have their pants down. In a direct confrontation, him and his army of little clones who have no plausible reason to be weaker than him off the assembly line are swatted like gnats.
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>>78177624
What expository dialogue are you talking about?

We see Ultron get pissed and get flustered whenever people poke holes in his plan or compare him to Tony, and we see him take several actions that are emotion-based instead of rational.

And yes. Ultron had way more characterization than Loki did in The Avengers. The latter was just on an ego trip, pretty much only there to serve as an obstacle forbthe heroes to overcome.
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>>78177666
>What expository dialogue are you talking about?

>We see Ultron get pissed and get flustered whenever people poke holes in his plan or compare him to Tony, and we see him take several actions that are emotion-based instead of rational.
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>>78177624

>Actually, Ultron felt like he was a five year old,

I mean he was like a week old
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>>78177684
That's not exposition. That's literally characterization. Do you think "show, don't tell" means no dialogue?

Ultron isn't TELLING us that he's emotional and irrational. He's saying and doing things that SHOW us he is.
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>>78177647
>1. And if that was all they'd done, it would have been good. Instead they yammer about it incessantly.
They don't. he mention the meteor once and explain his plan clearly once.
>2. That only holds true if you even realise Thanos plays a roll at all. In case you missed the memo, Whedon did his best to write him out of everything. It's not applicable to the MCU, sorry.
Once again, the opposite of the truth
His consciouness come from the infinity stone. Thor's vision come concur the existence of this menace, if the middle credit scen wasn't enough. Age of Ultron is really the episode that make things personal for Thanos toward the Avengers.
>3. Ultron is not a physical threat. The only time he truly succeeds is when the avengers have their pants down.
He took them down when they were armed and ready when they were tracking for vibranium. they completly fail to stop Ultron for taking it.
>In a direct confrontation, him and his army of little clones who have no plausible reason to be weaker than him off the assembly line are swatted like gnats.
Here is a further confirmation that you didn't wathc the movie.
in direct confrontation, it took the combined power of Thor, Captain and Vision to actually stop him. And Hulk still had to add his strength. The movie (that you didn't see) make a point of showing that th main body of Ultron is made of stener stuff and the remaining vibranium that wans't used in Ultron. And yet They still are enough to be a threat to the avengers. In the end they even failed to protect the coil. they were like an unstoppable army of carnivorous hants. no matter how much you crushed there was always more coming taking you down.
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>>78175529
>Why do people hate this movie so much?

It was a very popular movie, and popular movies pretty much always draw a disproportionate amount of hate because people are resentful that something they don't consider to be so great is held in such high esteem/anticipation by others. Sometimes especially while something they feel should receive as much/more attention isn't getting it.
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I watched this again last night. Shit was really mediocre. I rewatched the first a month ago and still enjoyed it. Quipvengers (seriously, it's as bad as the newsroom, when everyone is 100% clever 100% of the time it does not feel credible). Ultron is a lame villain who does not feel like a threat. Progression does not have peaks and valleys and the movie trods along.
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>>78177617


>Ultron is a physical threat
>couldn't even defeat Captain America 1vs1

okay
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>>78177831
I loved this movie, but I think the reason for the hate is different:

Expectation.

Not 3i expected it would be better", bu 3i expected it would be something different".

You see a lot of fans have an idea of how a character or certain thing should be They build a lot of anticipation of how they imagine a character and it it goes in a different direction, well then they get something they didn't want.

And here come the anger: there can only be one "Age of Ultron" movie. Therfore, it means that if they didn't get the Ultron they wanted, they will never get him. So they are angry for never being able to get what they always dreamed of. even if what was got instead is also good and pleased plenty of other, it's not what THEY wanted.

The most glaring case was "Iron Man 3". I loved that movie too, but if you watch the trailer, you can see it's literally selling a different movie than the one we got. Many came into theatre, expecting to see the movie promised in the trialer, instead, they got one of the best Shane Black movie. Not a bad trade-off, IMO, but they still ended up not getting what they wanted. So, angriness.
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>>78175529
>Why do people hate this movie so much?
Literally the reason.
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>>78177897
Except he did.
Ultron defeated all of the avengers in the boat.
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It had no structure whatsoever. And Whedon's quips ruined scenes like Quicksilver's.

Paul Bettany was the only thing I really respected about this film. Spader did his best, but the script really hindered him.

Ant-Man was way better of a film and I say this as someone who thinks Pymfags are insufferable. It kills me that we'll never see Hank and Janet in their prime in the Cold War.
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>>78175581

For you
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>>78177968
>It had no structure whatsoever. And Whedon's quips ruined scenes like Quicksilver's.
Not for me. And it doesn't suffer from any structure problem. at every point of the movie, you know what is going on and what is at stake.

There is moment of climax and there is moment of relapse all of them well timed. Saying there is no structure sound like you are using a buzzword you don't know the meaning of.

>Spader did his best, but the script really hindered him.
He delivered perfectly, though.
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>>78177947

Are you baiting or fucking stupid?

I'm talking about the scene over the truck.

And he didn't even defeat them on the boat, he escaped like a bitch
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>>78175529

Black Widow is a slut, Tony never really apologizes for causing all this shit, a lot of scenes felt pointless and Ultron as much as I loved Spader's performance...wasn't threatening enough.
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>>78178032
>Black Widow is a slut, Tony never really apologizes for causing all this shit
That's perfecly in-character for both.
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>>78176970

This is why we can't have a discussion about this, at all.

It's a meh-tier movie, and the people who think it isn't have their opinion demolished by trolls like this guy.
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>>78178024
And?
You he couldn't defeat him, yet he did. And it was just a drone.

And he simply stopped fighting because he didn't need to.

that's the whole point of Ultron. He make you feel it's pointless to fight him because he is everywhere anyway. he is fucking everywhere.

the game changer was Vision cutting him out of the internet.
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>>78177624
>I felt like I was watching something written for five year olds.
you were
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>>78178085
How am I a troll?
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>>78178087

>he is set on killing the human race on Korea
>can't even defeat a low-tier superhuman alone

you're fucking stupid or a shill
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>>78178043
Yeah, but the movies expect the audience to side with Tony any time - every time - he causes shit. He's never called out since... ever.

The trailer of Civil War shows Cap and Bucky beating the shit out of Tony in his suit. Guess how the casuals reacted?
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>>78178087

>the whole point of Ultron is making feel pointless to fight him

confirmed for literally never reading a comic about Ultron
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>>78178119
He wasn't gonna kill off humanity by beating them to death individually.
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>>78178141

but he's protecting the body that will allow him to arguably defeat the Avengers.

How the fuck does he plan to make his plan work if he's weak and unable to defeat the 3rd weakest Avenger? He didn't have any distraction, he didn't have any back-up plan.
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>>78178135
The movie makes it very clear Tony was in the wrong creating Ultron, and him refusing to admit it was his pride talking.
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>>78178141

you can't seriously defend the fact that he's unable to defeat Captain America in 1vs1 combat when the movie makes such a fucking deal of Ultron being a menace to the entire world and the Avengers
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>>78178167
Because he wasn't planning to defeat the Avengers with a single drone body. He was using numbers until he got into his Vision body.
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>>78178119
I think you are the one who lack basic comprehenssion skill. How doe Captain America surviving an Utlron drone make his metero less of a threat?

>>78178137
Talking about the movie.
MCU Ultron is not the same as 616 Ultron.
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>>78175529
Because they killed off the flash so quickly!
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>>78178167
>but he's protecting the body that will allow him to arguably defeat the Avengers.
Confirmed for not watching the movie. the point of the body was to have a superior body in the aftermath of the impact.

Snatching away the body (a thing only possible because Wanda turned against him) did in no way hindred his destruction plan.
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>>78178204

Except he wasn't using a drone body on his prime body, retard

>>78178207

I take it that you're the one who lacks reading and actual comprehension skill.

How the fuck do you plan on defending your plan from the avengers if you're unable to defeat the 3rd weakest avenger on 1vs1 combat?

If I'm going to destroy the world I need to be strong enough to defeat their protectors. If I'm not able to defeat them, how the fuck is my plan going to be successful?

He didn't have distractions, he didn't have back-up plans. He was straightforward like a Saturday cartoon villain.
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>>78178240
>Except he wasn't using a drone body on his prime body, retard
His prime body was just a souped-up drone.
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>>78178189
His number and an his everywheness are the menace drones are just drones. And it's not so much defeat than run away with the Vision body.
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>>78178231

that motivation is weak as fuck and you know it.

Why would he want a superior body when he's going to kill everyone on Earth? What is he going to defend from?

>inb4 Thanos

Whedon made the movie without Thanos on mind
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>>78178251

then that supposedly superior AI is stupid as fuck, because why would he make a body unable to defeat even one avenger. Face it, Ultron was nerfed as fuck in the movies.
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>>78178240
>How the fuck do you plan on defending your plan from the avengers if you're unable to defeat the 3rd weakest avenger on 1vs1 combat?
you are the one with inability to comprehend basic concept, so I am going to write it in big letter:

OVERWHELMING NUMBER. who care about 1Vs1, when you have an army.
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>>78178260
>Why would he want a superior body when he's going to kill everyone on Earth? What is he going to defend from?
confirmed for not watching the movie.

His plan was not eradicate the human species, but to create an extinction events that would force the humanity to evolve further. His vision body would have lead them toward that path.
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>>78178252

defeat is leaving the other combatants KOed out or dead. At no fucking point did Ultron leave an Avenger dead other than when using the fucking quinjet to shoot Quickass

>>78178280

>overwhelming

yeah, that's because his drones were as resistant as paper mache and his "army" small as fuck
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>>78178271
Because he was spending resources on sheer numbers, and his "true" body that could solo the Avengers got stolen because his allies betrayed him.
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>>78178295

>I'll make humanity evolve further
>but this is a total extinction event

even before on this thread people understood that he magically changed motivations and even he called the Sokovia meteor a total extinction event
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>>78178260
It's literally stated in the movie that Ultron was created to protect Earth from another alien invasion.
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>>78178314

then what a fucking stupid AI. Instead of creating an understructible body he makes a bunch of weak as fuck drones that were even destroyed in mass by Captain America

>>78178343

and it was stated by Joss Whedon when directing the movie that he didn't take into account that shit
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>>78178325
It wasn't magical. He changed his motivations because his allies abandoned him. He went "Fuck it! Fuck all you guys!"
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>>78178364
>and it was stated by Joss Whedon when directing the movie that he didn't take into account that shit
Thanos is not the only alien. The Chitauri coming back are LITERALLY the thing Ultron is shown to be meant to prevent.
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>>78175529
They don't.

Some liked it, some didn't. I don't think anybody invested actual hate into it.
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>>78178398

if he can't defeat Captain America how does he fucking plan to defeat another Chitauri invasion?
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>>78178364
>then what a fucking stupid AI. Instead of creating an understructible body he makes a bunch of weak as fuck drones that were even destroyed in mass by Captain America
He was creating an indestructible body.
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>>78177486
Welcome to the internet, where the bait is obvious.
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>>78178414
With the OP body he was building.

Also, Cap could fight ONE Ultron body to a tie at best.
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>>78178240
>How the fuck do you plan on defending your plan from the avengers if you're unable to defeat the 3rd weakest avenger on 1vs1 combat?
So, you didn't see the movie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il0-dXYmJ6Y
Captain America didn't defeat Ultron 1Vs1

Ultron actually had the upper hand up and would have killed Cap already if he hadn't got got his Vibranium Shield back, the one thing acknowledged he actually needed. PLUS he had the help of a Gatling gun. Plus (missing from the video) He was about to kill cap again in the train (after the end of that video) and would have done so if he hadn't been stopped by Piotr and Wanda together.

Have the decency to admit to be wrong, anon. Captain America never defeated Ultron 1Vs1. He fucking lost. also, that fght scen was great.
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>>78178447
>that car-jump at 1:35
that was bredy gud
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It was really dull and boring moostly. Plus the whole romance arc was so eye rollingly bad that it seemed like a parody of itself.
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>>78178325
>>but this is a total extinction event
It never was. jesus christ, how can you complain so much about a mvoie you don't even understand the basic plot.

An extinction event doesn't kill everyone it force the fittest to survive.
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>>78178303
>defeat is leaving the other combatants KOed out or dead. At no fucking point did Ultron leave an Avenger dead other than when using the fucking quinjet to shoot Quickass
Ultron win the fight Vs Captain America in Korea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICeVYNAxe_4
Saved by Wanda and Piotr.
>yeah, that's because his drones were as resistant as paper mache and his "army" small as fuck
They are fucking resistant. They are simply fighting the avengers.

For the main body, it took the combined power of Vision, Thor, Ironman and Hulk to defeat him. And Wanda still had to give the killing blow.
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>>78175529
It has all the problems of the first movie without the freshness of seeing those characters together.
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>>78178500
It was good, IMO. I always liked the BW and Banner interaction.
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>>78175618
>1.jpg
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>>78178024
This. He even got rekt by IM right after he flew out of the boat
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>>78178704
No, not this. he is completely wrong. See >>78178447
>>78178570
> He even got rekt by IM right after he flew out of the boat
Except not. just a prototype drone. And it's Tony and the Avengers who got rekt in the end, seeing as they completely failed to stop him from stealing the Vibranium. This body had accomplished its purpose already.
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>trailers come out
>Ultron is creepy and menacing, there are no strings on me
>movie comes out
>MAKING THE MOTHER OF ALL OMELETTES HERE, STARK. CAN'T FRET OVER EVERY EGG

It's as if the Ultron portrayed in the trailers was an entirely different character to the one in the movie, it's hard to take him seriously as a villain when he spends most of the film getting beaten up while every other line he says is some clever quip. It didn't have the same impact as the first avengers film either, in the first they're defending New York city from an alien invasion, in AoU they're defending some city in the middle of nowhere from a handful of robots made of cardboard.

Not the worst movie ever, probably not even the worst MCU movie, but it's nothing to talk about.
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>>78178593
Then you're an idiot. The romance felt so shoe-horned they even had to have cap come in and be like, "oh yeah she's totally into you dude, trust me, she was just flirting with me in WS but in reality she really wants you dude, no joke, plz believe me audi...I mean Banner"
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>>78175529
Because this board is full of sperg Marveldrones who get hyped for this shit even after Iron Man 2 and Thor 2.

And when this movie turns out average instead of great, as most MCU films are, they overreact and scream that it's terrible.
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>>78178797
>it's hard to take him seriously as a villain when he spends most of the film getting beaten up while every other line he says is some clever quip.
You say this, but then I watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI9GyhX7yHM
And that's the menacing ultron promised in the Trailer. Ultron is atually almost always superior. It almost always take several avengers at once to defeat him. And his dialogue there actually was looming.

It is the Ultron from the trailer, with some quipping and caring for the twins in plus.

I don't know what's up with quip, but it's like it brainwash some people and make them forget about everything else. He wasn't even quipping that much in the first place. I am glad I am not affected anyway.
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>>78178826
Except this isn't what happened at all. The romance felt natural from the start to the end. And cap mostly just say there was nothing between him and BW and Banner shouldn't worry about that.
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>>78178872
>even after Iron Man 2 and Thor 2.
Both movies were good, though.
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>>78175529
Because everyone on /co/ are such miserable piles of shit, jokes trigger them violently.
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>>78175529
That WAS not the Ultron me and my friend grew up with...
Plus the fact they rewote that Tony created Ultron, when they made a move with Henry? What the term they use in the states?..Oh yeah...Bitch Please!
>Age of Cringy
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>>78178873
>When the Earth starts to settle, God throws a stone at it, and believe me, he's winding up.
That's a direct reference to Thanos, isn't it? So he knew.
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>>78179008
>Plus the fact they rewote that Tony created Ultron, when they made a move with Henry?
That character came out too late. to make it sense from the the story telling point of view of the MCU.

It's definitely not the same as 616 Ultron, but it's still an interesting take.

Maybe now that the dust a settle down, you should retake a look at >>78178873
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI9GyhX7yHM
This is actually a good Ultron. It's just not 616 Ultron.
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>>78175529
Fucking Whedon writes every god damn character the same. Every character has to quip like a sniveling jackass. So glad the Russo's are directing the next Avengers movies.
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The two reasons I hate Age of Ultron:

1. Arbitrary sterilization of Black Widow (the shipping was random but forgettable so it was not as much of a faux pas).

2. Quicksilver died by bullet; the twins were powered down in general.
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>>78179236
Yeah, but Cap aside, he did much better in this movie than in the first one.
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>>78179236
>every god damn character the same.
Excpet that's false.
Making people quip doesn't make them the same.

Everyone has his own personality and bing their own tone to the story.

I swear "all character are the same" is being used as a buzzword by people who don't like something but can't figure why and hope they will nail something in the dark with it.

None of the characters sound the same. Everyone make a joke from time to time, but that's because most normal people do.
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>>78179253
I wouldn't call it arbitrary. It fit with what she was raised as.

the thing his, being stryle is actually something she is fine with and has accepted since a long time. It's banner who has issue with not being able to have a kid. and she is the one who help him live with that.

It's amazing so few people get that.

BW's Issues is not her sterilisation, is what she has done in her past. the crime she has committed and has to live with.
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It was mostly because the film felt like a lot of nothing happened. We got characters entering and some leaving, but I didn't give a shit. No stakes that were high enough since they keep hyping their Infinity shit so much, the banner and widow romance coming out of fucking nowhere, ultron being a fucking joke, killing of quicksilver who had the personality of a wooden plank and expect us to feel something for him, and the plot just being an all around mess. It literally feels like a filler movie, something that's just there to fill in the gap for more Thanos after credit scenes.
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>>78179432
I got the exact opposite of it. It was a redefining events for the avengers.
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>>78179392

It is not only arbitrary but sexist because that is not a plot device that would have been implemented for a male character. Instead of getting a montage of the death and destruction she had to repent for, i.e. the red ledger Loki referred to, we got "boo hoo, I can't have kids." There was absolutely no need for motherhood, or fatherhood for that matter, to be addressed. Further, if a woman was sterilized, she would have less estrogen and thus weaker bones, not something ideal for an assassin.
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>>78179551

And on top of all that, why didn't she pop into one of those organ regeneration machines or just use genetics and in vitro? It's a fucking comic movie: they have the science, and even we have the science to do the latter.
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>>78178593
>le falling on boobs joke
10/10 writing, bravo Whedon. Just like in my Japanese cartoons.
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>>78175529
MCU drone here, I'd rather watch it than the first avengers. 1 might be tighter as a movie, but AoU has versions of the characters I like more. Thor is less of an asshole, Stark and Bruce working together is great, Cap is way less shitty in AoU, Hawkeye has a character, SW gives me boners.

And as much as people hate the quips, Spader's Ultron has some great monologues. Loki sucks in the Avengers.

Oh and Vision is cool.
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>>78175529
I went to see this, Ant Man, and Mad Max. And honestly? This was boring compared to those two movies.
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>>78179551
>It is not only arbitrary but sexist because that is not a plot device that would have been implemented for a male character
It's not sexist nad this plot device HAS been implemented specifically FOR a male character: Bruce Banner.

Sterility is not an issue for BW, it's an issue for Bruce. She simply relate to her.

BW's issues is not her sterility but her violent past. how can so many people miss the point?
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>>78175895
>top right

My fucking dick

Why could this not have been so?
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>>78179661
Stop trying to make it sound as if there was anything wrong with that.
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>>78179612
>And on top of all that, why didn't she pop into one of those organ regeneration machines
in the movie, this is still an experimental procedure mostly used for restoring skin and muscles.
>or just use genetics and in vitro?
Because at no point does BW desire to have childs.
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>>78179339
>quip every two minutes
>normal people talk this way

face it, its whedons writing. no other marvel movie besides gotg has nearly as many quips as aou. and then in gotg you could forgive it because those are the characters personalities. cap hardly quips at all in his other movies and all of a sudden in aou he has to say "language" every 5 minutes.
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>>78179991
God hates us for letting the tigers live
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>>78180021
>>quip every two minutes
>>normal people talk this way
Except that's wrong. Age of Ultron does not contain that much quipping.

fact: there is as much quipping in Age of Ultron than in Star Wars The empire Strike back.

>. cap hardly quips at all in his other movies
Wrong

The complain for quipping is simply uncalled for. The serious and more lighter tone are perfectly timed and Joss actually made a good job out of that.
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>>78177512
It's certainly better than Joss's Memetron
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>>78180058
He tried to recreate Loki out of a faceless machine. It didn't go over too well, unsurprisingly, because you need to be able to properly emote to deliver the kind of personality Whedon was going for with Ultron AND seem threatening at all.

The result was Quiptron came across as a bland joke to a lot of people.
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>>78175895
>>78175944
>>78175959
>Forgetting THAT Ultron

Step it up /co/
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>this one autist that keeps defending the abortion that was AoU
Go to be Whedon.
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>>78180398
Saved. One on the left isnt so bad
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>>78180016

By the end of the movie, they have built an entire being, so it was upgraded.

She does not want to have a child, true. All the more reason it is an arbitrary plot point. But the the movie acted like her childhood surgery was the end of the world when she actually does have options should she change her mind in the future. Why drum up an unnecessary surgery when you can showcase some (albeit censored) horror show?
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>>78180377
You couldn't be more wrong. I don't why people sperge so much about the Quip of ultron, but this is just a feature on his whole personality in the movie see >>78178873
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI9GyhX7yHM
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>>78178891
You just proved my point that your a fucking idiot. I like AoU because I came in knowing it was going to be a silly comic book action movie but the romance was a waste of time that could've been spent on improving other aspects of the movie
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>>78180602
>By the end of the movie, they have built an entire being, so it was upgraded.
Yes, by Ultron, using one of the rarest metal on earth. and that breachthroughis only reached AFTER that scene.
>All the more reason it is an arbitrary plot point.
Once again, it is not. It fit her origin and this is actually a plot point for BRUCE BANNER, not Widow. for her, her demon is in her own actions:

>But the the movie acted like her childhood surgery was the end of the world
It did not. it was part of how she was grown up, but what actually IS the end of the world for her was her past actions. And she consider herself a monster for what she did, not because of her sterility. The reason she tell this story to Banner is to show him she actually relate to what he feel like, that she actually understand.
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>>78180635
I proved nothing. the romance of BW and Hulk fit perfectly in the movie and is integrated to its dynamic.
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>>78180607
>Ultron is not Loki 0.5beta

Riiiiiight
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>>78175529
I liked it. But my biggest problem is how much better it could have been.
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>>78180459
Looks a bit like Glenn Howerton to me, for some reason.

>I am a Vibranium God
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>>78180733
He is really not. the characters have nothing comparable.
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>>78175581
>1.jpg
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>>78175895
Bottom left is literally perfection.
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>>78180716
It was shit. Take your garbage ship to tumblr.
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>>78180877
I liked it. And I live here.
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>>78180692

The fact that Ultron upgraded the machine does not change that improvements were made to current technology.

She should have been shown her own actions, not been a plot point for another character.

Give us the monster instead of showing us a child. If sterilization was a part of her past, show canon comics that take place before the movie. I have not read all of Black Widow's comics but too my knowledge, the sterilization was an invention of Whedon. Enhancements made to her in the comics do not automatically equate misogyny.
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>>78181069
>The fact that Ultron upgraded the machine does not change that improvements were made to current technology.
Yes and?

>She should have been shown her own actions, not been a plot point for another character.
This is a dynamic between the two of them. It give a look into her past and an important step she had to go through as well as help her relate with Banner. That scene do that good.

There is nothing mysgynic about it either. I don't know if it happened to comics BW beforehand, but I don't think it should be forbidden either anyway.

Forced sterilisation is a thing that exist. Putting it in a movie does not make it misogynistic.
It would be mysogynic if it was her sole defining point, but it isn't. It's just there for context and there is nothing wrong with that. He whole character act in Age of Ultron is accepting her past deeds and move on. About how she considered herself not worthy of the Avengers and wanted to disapear from the surface of the world because of her past deeds, but decided to remain and fight with her companion because she could make a change, because she could do her part and her past deeds doesn't forbid her from being an hero, from helping other and saving life. Assuming her past is her whole character arc.

Her sterilisation is simply one of the piece of the puzzle among other that define her, not the corner stone and it's because it's used that way that there is nothing worng with that.

Like I have said, Forced sterilisation is a thing that exist and I don't think it should be outright forbidden from movies, especially in AoU that dealt with bot male and female sterility.
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>>78181069
>>78181319
Mind you, seeing some of BW actual past bad actions would be interesting, but it's best to keep that for her own movie.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHA

HA
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>>78175529
It promised so much and delivered so little, but in saying this it was not a terrible movie, had some fun parts
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>>78181384

>Tfw won't get a Natasha and Bucky movie about them dealing with their pasts

Though MCU Natasha was born in like 84 so I dunno how much Cold War shit she did
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>>78181931
According to avengers and what was hinted in the Carter show, she started at 6.

The red Room most likely went rogue when the Perestroika happpened and she was used has an killer during the Balkans war in the 90's.
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Ultron is supposed to be the physical manifestation of Pyms psychosis and inner rage. By removing Pym from the equation, they removed the essential aspect of Ultron
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>>78183638
The funny thing is, they already had the perfect hook to make him a character like that: At the end of Avengers 1, Banner goes to work with Stark...
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