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>There is no Big two anymore >just Marvel What the fuck

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>There is no Big two anymore
>just Marvel

What the fuck went wrong for DC and how do we fix it?
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>>78026192
You're right, there is no Big 2 anymore.

There's a Big 3.
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>>78026192
plebs
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Copy what Marvel did one last time.

>new Crisis event
>reset the comics back to the pre-new52niverse
>blend the two continuities together so the new 52 stuff still happened, just earlier in the timeline
>relaunch most of their books so new things are happening, but you don't necessarily need to know about older books to get it
>quit with the editorial meddling that caused most of their good writers to leave
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>how do we fix it
I think I know a guy that can
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Hire a new PR team.
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>>78026466
you can't beat Disney PR

Just focus on making good books across the line. Have a nice wide variety. Focus on the loyal fanbase
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We need to fix the general public, DC is mostly fine now. Much better than Bendisvel, at least.
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Start making shittier comics, it's what sells.
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This hasn't been a thing for decades.

DC, aside from some excellent one shots, is a complete joke.
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>>78026483
>Just focus on making good books across the line. Have a nice wide variety. Focus on the loyal fanbase
But Marvel and DC are popular because they do the opposite of this.

Publishers that try what you're suggesting always have much lower sales than Marvel or DC.
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Hire new PR team
Since Disney got marvel's back DC needs a company good at marketing, Blizzard come to mind
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>>78026605
DC is owned by Time Warner.
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>>78026192
This is more of a market correction than anything. For most of their rivalry, DC was always the lower selling house by far. Even when other publishers closed completely, their readerships didn't go predominantly to one or the other "big 2".

It wasn't until the late 80s/early 90s that they began to achieve sales parity, and even the last decade or so DC has usually lagged behind. DC has coped by being part of a hugely successful media group that has been able to push its characters far more easily than Marvel's.

You can't fix 80 years of history, anon.
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>>78026483
>Just focus on making good books across the line. Have a nice wide variety. Focus on the loyal fanbase
That's exactly what DCYou was and yet it was a colossal fucking failure.
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>>78026192
Pay a bunch of trending celebs to be seen reading DC. When they are interviewed, make sure to work in a question about comics to which they can say "I only read DC. Marvel sucks."

Because writing quality books doesn't mean shit. It's all image.
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>>78026192
Are Marvel Comics big? I know their movies are, but their comics have always been a shit to me.
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>>78026673
DCYou was an attempt to copy marvel's more tubmlr books
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>>78026192
>What the fuck went wrong for DC and how do we fix it?

Literally their marketing team. For such a well known company with iconic characters that have had so much influence, they have some of the shittiest marketing ever. How is that even possible when Batman, Superman, and Wonder Women are the poster boys for the company?
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Don't fix it. The world doesn't need a Big Two.

We should be celebrating the fact that creator-owned comics are slowly closing the gap between themselves and Disney/Warner Bros.
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>>78026192
There's a Big Three now, Anon-kun.
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>>78026655
I know, but WB marketing is horrible
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>>78026715
Here's the physical market share breakdown as of October. There's currently a Comixology thread up looking at digital, but since we don't have hard numbers on digital, it's mostly a guessing game for figuring out what the digital breakdown is.

Either way, digital only sells ~10-20% of what physical does.
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>>78026845
Literally the worst. I mean shit, they practically endorse in-fighting within the company. That whole Cartoon Network vs. DC bullshit was absurd and something Disney would never allow to happen with Marvel and Disney XD.
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>>78026386
Now that's an episode i want to see
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>>78026868
It's a company group, not a single company. There are very practical and solid reasons for operating that way (not least that it limits liability - eg when New Line tried screwing Peter Jackson and the LotR cast out of their earnings, they could only sue New Line, not the whole group).

One result of that is that they legally can't share assets and have to run as separate companies - they're more likely to enter into joint ventures, but each of them has shareholders and each of them has responsibility to those shareholders to maximise profit. You can't just say "we're going to loan $500m to DC Entertainment because it's struggling", you have to have a business case for doing so that goes beyond sentiment.
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>>78026299
DC needs more editorial meddling to keep everything in line and create so sort of consistency between the books.

the books just don't feel like they take place in the same universe anymore.
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>>78026192
No there is still a big 2
Marvel and Batman
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>>78027279
Good. Shared universes are cancer.
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New 52's not worth reading is what went wrong.
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The issue isn't that there isn't any DC it's that Marvel has the power of near limitless funding and advertising. They don't have to bank on their books anymore (which are crap by the way). Now they can just sit and pump out movies, toys, pajamas, dildos. Until superhero media eventually burns out.
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>>78026192
>do what marvel does
>force diversity
>dumb down comics and have them fit with your new line of lighthearted movies
>events every year with mini events
>constantly relaunch comics

I already gave up on cape comics. So whatever.
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>>78026192

when will IDW become the next major company with hits films?
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>>78027653
This.

Marvel always had a smear campaign against DC but Disney dialed it up to 11.

You got normie retards that have never read a comic in their life that think DC sucks just because that is what they are told.

Like that retard playing Falcon shit talking DC for no reason. He done goofed and WB will never hire him.
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>>78027700

Most of these were horrible on Marvel's part. But it proves that yelling and making it sound like you're the first and best to do it is the way to go.
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>>78027795
Who cares they have no big name female leads. DCEU will capitalize on all their great female leads and take the reigns with the female community.
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>>78026735
>imahipster.jpg

People who read Koyama Press comics should be bulldozed into a mass grave.
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Hire Brian Michael Bendis
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>>78026853
Oh look at those variants sold lol.
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Wait what happened did DC fuck up bad or something or is this just 4chan talking shit
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They should renumber and jack up the prices on their books.

Apparently comic book fans love being fucked in the ass.
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>>78029538
DCYou was a colossal sales failure meanwhile All-new All-Different was a massive sales success.

The OP is still just exaggerating though. Even with DCYou not doing as well as they'd hoped, they still have a respectable 25% marketshare. See:
>>78026853
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>>78026192
Marvel did a great job stealing public mindshare away from batman and to a lesser extent (and somewhat ironically) spiderman. Xmen is on its way out of the mindshare too, which will happen once an Inhumans movie launches.
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>>78029681
And Marvel is running high from Secret Wars, so yeah, coming off that even and launching a bunch of #1s. Of course they had a good month, won't be long at 50% though.
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>>78026192
Marvel makes better movies while DC makes better shows. This is perfectly balanced imo and I wouldn't change a thing.
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>>78029875
star wars hype will be down soon

after fans declare the movie is shit because it won't be better than ESB
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>>78026720
Kill yourself
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>>78029875
Not to mention Star Wars which has been doing straight up absurd sales numbers.

Basically, DC is doing around how they usually do at a time where they were hoping to sell higher than usual, and they're looking worse than usual because Marvel is currently doing so well. In truth, Marvel is doing better than usual and DC is doing about the same, but because of the expectations for DC and Marvel chewing up a higher percentage of market share, it's causing to make DC look like they're doing worse than they actually are.
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>>78029884
We're talking about comics here, memelord.
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>>78026192
My brother fixes TV's he's got a bitchen' set of tools.
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>>78026192

Outside of Batman-Universe DC has no cool heroes. That's not the 70's anymore.
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Marvel outsells DC because they have Star Wars and because they will go to every length to goose sales up to and including tri-monthly shipping and 4.99 20 page pamphlets.
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>>78030052
>tri-monthly shipping
Give me one example of a triple shipped book.

>and 4.99 20 page pamphlets.
Give me one example of a 4.99 comic that isn't oversized.
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>>78027528
More like a boner that never goes away. At first it seems great, and then you shut in the car door, or have to piss real bad, or speak in front of a crowd.
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>>78030036
This

no one cares about DC heroes and they're missing out on having entertaining titles for young teenagers who watch Teen Titans Go because all the Teen Titans related stuff is complete garbage
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>Implying DC's worst on-going isn't better than the shit Marvel is printing.
DC is putting out objectively better books by a fucking mile. It's just that Marvel has Disney's marketing behind them and casuals fucking love Marvel.
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>>78030214
unironically this
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>>78027846
Wonder Woman and?...
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>>78027846
>>78030243
this is a comics thread shoo shoo children
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>/co/ wonders why manchildren isn't a strong consumer demographic
wew
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>>78030036
>I've never actually read a DC book in my life.
Hi Leddit.
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>>78030278
>implying having never read a comic book in their life doesn't make them fit in perfectly around here
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>>78030134
This is why iron man is already at 60K right ? Because people love iron man
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>>78030272
(You)
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>>78030272
But Manchildren IS a strong consumer demographic. DC just isn't very good at marketing.
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>>78030297
Wow, rude.

Who hurt you?
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What happens if Civil War beats B v S? Also see this http://variety.com/2015/film/news/batman-v-superman-trailer-captain-america-views-1201653511/
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>>78030214
>objectively

Excellent meme argument.

Using a single word to say "I have no real argument for this, I just feel this way and I know others feel this way" has never been so easy.
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>>78026275
>There's a Big 3.
who's your numbah tree, Udon? the Transformers company? Heavy Metal?

You're stupid. Stop posting stupid things anon. Get pooped on
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>>78027643
> New 52's not worth reading is what went wrong.
fucking this

the relaunch was a total abortion. i used to read both regularly, but DC lost me at new52 and wont even get me back until we get trunks on outside bats/supes, non-barry flash, JSA, etc

>>78027653
> The issue isn't that there isn't any DC it's that Marvel has the power of near limitless funding and advertising. They don't have to bank on their books anymore (which are crap by the way). Now they can just sit and pump out movies, toys, pajamas, dildos. Until superhero media eventually burns out.

wrong on all accounts

1. DC is owned by WB, they have the same resources as disney.
2. They pump out Lego DC games and spinoff shit and all sorts of merch too

> Until superhero media eventually burns out
LOVING EVERY LAUGH
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>>78026275
Manga belongs in /a/ anon
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>>78030236

I don't get why people are so ready to defend Marvel right now. The books they are pushing outside of Vision are shit.

Plus Star Wars is fluffing the numbers up. Pretty sure Justice League and Batman once again got on the top ten sales list alongside Spider-Man and every Star Wars book. This problem feels so overstated.
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>>78030408
I TOLD HIM MAN, I TOLD HIM TO GET POOPED ON
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>>78030299
Are we acting like 60k is a bad number? Teenagers do love Iron Man. They also love Batman which is why that is selling. But guess who has Spider-Man, Starwars, Deadpool, and the Avengers?

What's the DC equivelant for Ms. Marvel? Starfire, a character this demographic dislikes because of RHatO?
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>>78030380
Image, nigga. They gobbling up market share like nobodies business and consistently outsell marvel and dc in trades which is where the market is moving.
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>>78030380
Image, probably
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>>78030449
>i still think it's '93: the post
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>>78030423
I disagree, I'm finding a number of their titles to be quite entertaining, it's hard for me to pass judgment on a whole comic line when that line is 2 issues in at best. The number of titles from ANAD that I have read and enjoyed far outweighs the number of titles I have read from DC at the moment and have enjoyed.
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>>78030442
>What's the DC equivelant for Ms. Marvel?
Batgirl
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>>78030474
>“If we keep on our current trajectory, we’ll overtake DC in less than five years,” predicts Kirkman, who has been a partner in the company since 2008. “Then it’s just a hop, skip, and a jump to toppling Marvel.”
Keep on cryin', son. Creator Owned comics are comin' for your ass.
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>>78030480
And that shit somehow is sells like hotcakes on trades
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>>78030480
>another bat character
and this is why DC's marketshare will always stagnate

there is only so many bat titles you can push out
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>>78030478
>I'm finding a number of their titles to be quite entertaining,
That's because you're a shill. Maybe if you weren't getting paid to "enjoy" them then you'd realise how shit they are and return to based DC.
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>>78030423
This.

Vision is literally the only top tier book at Marvel right now.
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>>78030527

DC in general sells better in TPB. Marvels are expensive with mostly limited printings.
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>>78030543
Thanks for defending us! We'll be sure to send you your dedicated shill t-shirt in a week or so.
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>>78030543
>says the shill
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>>78030570
>implying DC has any shills
If they did, then you wouldn't see /co/ be 95% Marvel shilling all the time. DC actually has enough respect to let their products stand on their own unlike Marvel thats so bad that they need to people to make them care about their SJW propoganda bullshit.
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>>78030570
+1

All these DCasuals pretending like they're not the most vocal of the shills on /co/mblr.
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>>78029977
>>78030265
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>>78030563
Didn't Dan said that he was looking forward for trades of a lot of DCYou ongoings and minis ? I remember seeing that on bizarro
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>>78030613
Shilling isn't attractive. Stop.
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>>78030613
>le SJW propaganda meme
Great post, I'll sure take it seriously.
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>>78030516
>quote in which nothing that was stated came true

You sure showed me.
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>>78030442
Why not fight Marvel with Marvel?
By that I mean, give Mary Marvel her own book.
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>>78030543
>fans are shills
That's actually true when you think about it, I'm going to talk positively about the comics I like, I don't see what the problem is. I'm not a loyalist or anything, I'm just saying that right now, at this point in time, I'm enjoying what Marvel is doing more than DC. I'm not telling you that your loyalty to DC is wrong it is, I'm just saying that I disagree.
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>>78030717
What's on your pull list?
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Why do people insist on company wars? You all know it is okay to like stuff from all publishers, right?
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>>78030757
It's a mentality that's only gotten worse with /tv/ and /v/ posters coming here and encouraging the shitposting.

Mods and janitors consider it board culture now.
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>>78030757
>liking more than one company
What are you, some kind of well adjusted faggot who can enjoy more than one thing?
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>>78030757
I have no problem liking Marvel stuff is they actually put out anything good.
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>>78030736

the vision
the totally awesome hulk
thor
hercules
squirrel girl
ANAD avengers
carnage
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>>78030795
why don't mods ba on sight any company wars posts?why don't you all report them like I do?
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>>78030869
>Thor
>Squirrel Girl
Why anon?
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>>78030736
As of right now
>Illuminati
>Extaordanry X-Men
>All New Wolverine
>Carnage
>Vision
>Silk

Also ordered and awaiting delivery are
>Power Girl
>Ostrander's Suicide Squad vol 2
>Empowered vol 8
be gentle anon
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>>78030869
>Squirrel girl
>Thor
how the fuck are you reading this shit ?
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>>78026192
Just
Market
Your
Shit
DC
THEIR PR TEAM DOES NOTHING
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Silk
Ms Marvel
ANADA
Vision
Adding Scarlet Witch
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>>78030717

I like both companies well enough but by other Marvel fans admission the actual quality has been pretty low the last few years on most titles. But the second someone starts company war bullshit no one wants to admit it. It's not like the DKeks are all that better but most of them are honest that the new 52 was mostly mediocre and DC has only just now recovered.
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>>78030912
>Extradionary X-men
I guess the rumors that Xfags Are like beaten house wives are true
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>>78030911
>>78030925
because it's actually good.
Ofcourse you can't discuss the merit of the works on here because due to /tv/ invasion they have been deemed SJW and thus automatically bad
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Top tier current DC books
>Batman
>Gotham Academy
>Gotham by Midnight
>Grayson
>Justice League
>Justice League 3001
>Martian Manhunter
>Midnighter
>Omega Men
>Prez
>Secret Six
>Sinestro
>Lois and Clark
>We Are Robin

Top tier current Marvel books
>Vision

>mfw Marvel looses even that when DC puts Tom King on an exclusivity contract when they give him the main Green Lantern book.

Enjoy your Squirrel Girl shills.
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>>78030803
Underrated post
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>>78030973
>Actually good
>a joke book with horrible jokes and art
>Another about a cancer patient that says that dying of cancer is so much fun
What great quality
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>>78030963
Not really an X-Fag to be honest, I have Extraordinary because out of each of the X books that were being released this team looked the most tolerable.
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The only reason Marvel is winning is because DC is finding new ways to pull a Brendan Fraser.
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>>78030973

I think you need help. I can give Thor a pass even if I don't like it but not Squirrel Girl it killed all the love I had for her. She uses to be /co/'s queen once...
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This is now a pull list thread, post yours and avoid /v/-tier company wars.

>Grayson
>Omega Men
>Midnighter
>Constantine: The Hellblazer
>Starfire
>Vision
>Hercules
>Totally Awesome Hulk
>Karnak
>Paper Girls
>Lazarus

Prez and ASS8 ended last week so they're no longer on my list.
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>>78031037
Oh and Sheriff of Babylon, forgot about that.
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>>78031037
>tfw I fucking hate floppies, but buy them to support my lcs
Trades are masterrace
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>>78030983

Midnighter is just so good and it's going to hurt to see it cancelled. Also We Are Robin is OK but not top tier. Son of Batman is better. The art is beautiful and Nobody and Damian are so great together as friends. I hope she comes back soon.
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>>78030384
WB isn't even close to Disney.
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>>78031090

Nothing is. They have been pushing Star Wars harder than Lucas ever did...
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>>78031076
I prefer trades too, I only buy floppies when I know the books I like are in danger of cancellation. Buying Midnighter, Omega Men and Vision since they have shit sales (I'm assuming Vision's sales won't be that impressive).
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>>78026192
They thought that only having 2 super heroes was a good idea.
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>>78030442
Didn't Iron Man's sales fall by 2/3 for the second issue?
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>>78026192
Didio lose too much power, he was shitty but competent, dc is now controlled by harres, lee and johns
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>>78031148
It was 250K by the first one, the second was 60K, i predict that it will settle between 45-35K
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>>78031162
Harras barely does anything on that Company and Johns is mostly on the TV side of things, Dan is the guy that works his ass off so poor selling books can still exist btw
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>>78030736
>karnack
>vision
>strange
>kamala

and i'm hype for wanda.
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>>78031079
>Son of Batman is coming out in hardcover first
Why. DC your regular hardcovers are so shit and makes the paperbacks take even longer to come out
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>>78031162
Who thought letting Harras, the guy who bankrupted Marvel get his hooks in DC was a good thing?
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>>78031232
>strange
Literally the only wrong thing there, also, Wanda will have some good writing but i hope you are ready for Frankanda
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>>78031273
It's really sad Dillon is in between beautiful Rudy and Lotay,
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>>78031172

That's a really big drop off for a character as popular as Iron Man.

I know that things get the number 1 collector boom, for god fucking knows what reason anymore since they're as worthless a toilet paper, and that the drop is normal but that's 190,000 less issues. That's exceedingly larger than it logically should be. Why is Bendis Marvel's big gun when he can't keep sales up? Are they that blinded by Ultimate Spider-Man that they don't see that he needs to get regulated to minor books?
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>>78031007
>a cancer patient that says that dying of cancer is so much fun
>has to decide between putting her own life first or going out to save others at the cost of the treatment that can save her
>chooses the second and doesn'teven have a moment of hesitation or regret
>idiots /co/mplain that it's somehow offensinve to cancer patients

have you realized that you have no reading comprehension yet?
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>>78030983
>not biased opinion at all.
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>>78031322
>Lotay
[QUOTE="Chojomeka, post: 19996236, member: 59436"]Does Kitty Pride count? 'cause I want her to die so very much.[/QUOTE]

After Dillon, the next artist is Wu, then Pulido, Joelle Jones, Lotay, Sauvage, and finally Vision.
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>>78031463
What the fuck?

>Lotay

After Dillon, the next artist is Wu, then Pulido, Joelle Jones, Lotay, Sauvage, and finally Vision.
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>>78030983
>Gotham Academy
>Justice League 3001
>Doesn't have Detective Comics, Aquaman on your DC pulls
>Trying to criticize anyone
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>>78031500
I wish Aja would do an issue too, his covers for the book are beautiful.
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>>78031500
Vision is doing the art for his ex-waifu?
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>>78031510
Not the same anon, but detective comics and Aquaman have been mediocre since the creative change.
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>>78031510

>Not liking Gotham Academy
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>>78031623
>Liking Tumblr Tier Comics
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>>78031457
she has a fucking magical hammer that gives her the power of Thor, if I had the fucking Mjolnir I'd do stupid shit like that to anon.
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>>78031639
>You had guys like Levitz doing seemingly little acts like pissing off the Wildstorm creators like Millar, Hitch, Brubaker, Ennis
What's the story here? Never heard of it.
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>>78031162

Basically this is my opinion too. Harras drove DC into the ground most recently same as how he did with Marvel in the 90s.

But there were problems as Warners/DC at a fundamental level for decades. WB have owned DC since the 80s. And other than Batman they haven't done much but squander the IP.

Marvel managed to take over global entertainment in 4 - 5 short years of gaining access to funds and the Hollywood studio system. What have Warners done with the larger DC universe in 30 years?

Given us Catwoman, Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern.. They could have had a Joss Whedon helmed Wonder Woman movie out of the door over a decade ago but fucked it up. That's the kind of franchise people make careers on and Warners just don't as a corporate entity understand the properties.

The rot was even within the comics division. You had guys like Levitz doing seemingly little acts like pissing off the Wildstorm creators like Millar, Hitch, Brubaker, Ellis.. Who subsequently were welcomed with open arma by Marvel handed their crown jewels and laid the foundation for the MCU and a multi billion dollar universe of franchises..
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>>78031681
Nice company war, bro.
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>>78031639
>Harras drove DC into the ground most recently
DCYou is not Harras, its pretty much the other way around, Harras would be using the same old stories and nothing would change and take no risks, this is pretty much the opposite
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>>78031681
>pissing off the Wildstorm creators like Millar, Ellis
Good.
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>>78026192
Go back in time and not make a shit tier Green Lantern movie in 09'
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>>78031641

But it's fun
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>>78027720
So you think they should start making Transformer films?

Maybe they should get Michael Bay to direct!
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>>78031713

DCYou is pretty good. But it's too late as the New 52 from Harras and Lee already wrecked DC.
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>>78031729
You crazy? We avoided a big bullet there. A Disneyfied DC woud have been a fate worse than death.
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>>78031668
>In 1998 DC Comics bought Wildstorm. It was generally agreed they wanted it for three things. The colourists. Jim Lee. And Alan Moore.

>As a result, they also got The Authority, Warren Ellis’ recreation of the Wildstorm Universe that parodied and satirised much of DC’s. And under Mark Millar would grab news headlines around the world and cause Paul Levitz to personally intervene, changing dialogue and finished art because they offended his sensibilities. It would cost editor John Layman his job. Mark left for Marvel and went exclusive. He would not write for DC of Wildstorm again.

>Alan Moore wrote a number of books for Wildstorm, including WildCATS and then his ABC line. DC just managed to keep Moore on board by the skin of their teeth when buying the company, and indeed he would do his first work for hire for DC in ages on the Albion book as a result. However conflict, especially over V For Vendetta and League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen with Paul Levitz would see him leave, taking League with him. It would cost editor Scott Dunbier his job. Moore would not write for DC or Wildstorm again.

>Garth Ennis wrote a number of books for Wildstorm, around his character Kev. He also wrote The Boys for Wildstorm at the behest of Dan DiDio. Paul Levitz so violently reacted to this series on publication, despite sales that started at 60,000 and rose, that the series was cancelled and Dynamite picked it up. Garth Ennis would not, etc etc etc…
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>>78031713

I think they were talking about the reboot.

It's essentially what he did at Marvel with Heroes Reborn. Also caused their bankruptcy.
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>>78031762
Ryan Reynolds cgi fest crap GL movie is better?

At least Disney knows how to make a decent movie.
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>>78031760
>Too late
>Implying
They at any point can do a massive reboot and revert it to how it was. I however hope they go from DCYou and press on. Never read DC until New 52 and I've enjoyed it, not everything is great but it's fun. Just keep on from the DCYou, make it feel more connected, the fear of continuity is annoying and we'll be set...at least for me.
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>>78031764
>Grant Morrison relaunched WildCATS and The Authority for DC/Wildstorm, but with many editors clamouring for his attention, was asked by his bosses to turn his attention to his DC books instead, leaving the relaunch stillborn.

>Licensed book Gears Of War #1 was the best selling comic book of the year. DC Comics refused to acknowledge this.

>Systematically, time after time, DC Comics has cut the knees from under Wildstorm, leaving a universe of books suffering from relaunch after relaunch, with embittered creators and laughable sales figures, saved until now by Wildstorm’s separate deal with DC Comics that, as long as the company was profitable, individual books need not be.

>This appears no longer to be the case. It’s been a long time coming, but it shouldn’t be a surprise. DC has been killing the Wildstorm Universe for quite some time under Paul Levitz. The brand is tainted. And no mouth to mouth resuscitation can save it. Dan DiDio and Jim Lee just put it out of its misery and pulled the plug.
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>>78031720

The MCU directly comes from the work of Millar, Hitch, Brubaker, Quietly, Ellis, etc at Marvel under Quesada in the early to mid 00s. Levitz pissing them off so they ran to Marvel wasn't smart businesswise that handed DC's main rival a billion dollar rejuvanation of its properties, regardless of your personal opinion of Marvel.
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>>78031764
Sauce? Some marvelfag website, I'm sure

>>78031814
>Disney knows how to make a decent movie.
<--
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>>78031764
>Garth Ennis would not, etc etc etc
Ennis came back though, shit he did All star section 8
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>>78031827
>piss those overrated edgelords off
>they move to Marvel
>they turn the publisher into an enormous crappy movie tie-in
Oh Luthor, you did it again.
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>>78031839
It's as laughable as the idea that DC has made any good movies since The Dark Knight
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>>78031851
And Hitch is writing JL nowadays. And Quitely still draws some thing for DC and Vertigo.

>>78031876
I'll take a DC movie over any Disney quipfest, /tv/.
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>>78026192
nothing, they just left the scraps of the dying floppy market to Marvel and moved to the trade market and the sweet, sweet cash of Barnes & Noble casuals
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>>78031814

>At least Disney knows how to make a decent movie.

When will they make one anon?

All I ever see from them are shitty quip-fests that might sometimes occasionally have a cape for about 5 minutes at best.
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>>78031827
>Quitely
wot
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>>78031876
They don't have to. They already made the genre defining, award winning film.

And did it again with Man of Steel which marvelfags will forever complain and whine about since they know they will never have anything half as good.
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>>78031921
>>78031904
You guys are trying to hard, this coming from a DCfag, i loved man of steel too but cmon now ? Iron man and cap 2 were great films
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>>78029977
Oh shit I legit thought I was on /tv/ my bad familia.
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>DCYou books selling the same as mid-52 levels
>2013 and 2015 sales literally the same
>DCYou is a failure

Why do shills keep saying this
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Kind of random thought, does DC have characters that can have this kind of stuff somewhat often?
https://youtu.be/uy6zdEbxjuU
Eye candy always fun.
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>>78031921
Hey Hey HEY!

Avengers had...................umm...Avengers was a movie!

And the sequel had feminism squashing bullshit politics hammered into the viewer's face! Because superheroes are meant to teach us how to think and when bitches need to get back in the kitchen!
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>>78031921
>marvelfags
Casuals, anon, casuals. I'm sure real Marvel fans have better taste than watching MCU movies.

>>78031937
>this coming from a DCfag
Heh, sure.
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>>78031943
you might as well be
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>>78031950
>he needs an armor suit to fight crime
What a sissy.
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>>78031904

>What is Iron Man?
>What is Cap Winter Soldier?
>What is the Avengers (the first one not AoU)?

Hell that's before we get to Netflix Daredevil.
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>>78031973
>overrated film
>overrated and pretentious film
>VERY overrated film
>GRIMDERP X-TREEEEEEME TV series
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>>78031937
Iron Man was an okay at best Robert Downey is a douche movie. As a superhero movie? It had what....10 whole minutes of Iron Man in it? As a hero he is a shit alcoholic that fights normal guys that pretend to be villains. It was not a superhero movie at all.

Cap 2 was Bourne Identity wrapped in a shill American Flag. You had to watch it or be accused of not being Murican enough.

Both are complete shit compared to the real superhero films. MoS and Dark Knight.

Trade up or quit pretending to like cape films. Clearly you do not.
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>>78031994
unh meme me fucking harder please
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>>78031971
>crime
He kills terrorists you colossal faggot, Bats can't even kill that genocidal freak Joker. And Supes cries like a bitch.
https://youtu.be/3o2ACEr9NmQ
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>movieshit
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DC's problem is they don't have enough relaunches and re-numberings to make retards buy their shit
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>take a look at my pull list for tomorrow
>the usual gorillion indies
>18 DC books
>only 1 Marvel
Yeah, DC failed all right...

>>78032013
>Batman for teabaggers
What a sissy.
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>>78031973

>Toy commercial
>Bourne Identity Murica!
>nothing happens for three fucking hours starring Marve;'s 3rd tier leftover nobody heroes

When are they going to make a superhero movie?
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and people say /tv/ didn't ruin this board
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>>78032041
>When are they going to make a supervillain movie?
Fixed. I'd kill for a Red Skull or Thunderbolts yes, I know they're not exactly villains but you feel me, nigga?movie but you know, muh Disney fare for kids.
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>>78032047
They didn't. /co/ did.
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>>78032037
I'll bet $$$ that Marvel book is Vision?
>>
Why are they trying to shove Avengers into the spotlight anyway?

They are a team made up entirely of the 2nd rate heroes that were never mainstream popular.
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>you will never be a Marvelkike

I like where DC is at now tbph
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>>78032047
I told Moot and then Hiro to ban live action threads from /co/, but you know...

>>78032075
No, Hercules; I want to read King's DC first.
>>
ITT: People who became comic book experts in 2008 when they saw their first Batman movie.
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>>78032075
it's probably Hercules, since Vision was last week
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>>78026666

Your quads must have jettisoned you to bizarro world.
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>>78032098
And now they are, plus a talking raccoon and a tree that only says 3 fucking words.
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>>78032098
>How To Be Ben Affleck
Fund it.

>>78032108
There is this anon who loves to copypaste loooong posts about sales charts.
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>>78032099
I like it too, but I'm afraid almost all of the books I enjoy will be cancelled soon.
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>>78032098
perhaps you've heard of a little movie that came out a few years back that made a billion+ dollaroos
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>>78031991

What's a good DC film other than The Dark Knight?
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>>78032047

Pfft we had company wars before /tv/ came around. Besides /tv/ was worst in 08 when they were using us as their headquarters to raid people who didn't like TDK.
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>>78032129
>GotG
>popular
Kewl maymay bruh
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>>78032101
>I can't into the filter so I need the admin to pander to me and ruin everyone's fun

>>>/cancer/
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>>78032154
Batman Begins.
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Seriously can anyone tell me a good DC movie other than The Dark Knight?
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>>78032154
Watch them and you will see, my angry anon.

>>78032169
>bait threads are my kind of fun
Roasted? Are you back?
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>>78032163
they got considerably more retarded once /tv/ and /v/ showed up

>>78032169
>/tv/ threads
>fun
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>>78032129
>talking raccoon and a tree that only says 3 fucking words.
Be honest, the guardians made a lot of money but the impact they made is minimal, people will remember the movie but i doubt they will remember what it is about
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>>78032181
>once they say MoS, I will start posting all my copypastas
>FOR THE GLORY OF DISNEY
I wish I had a company; I'd hire you for free.
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>>78032200

I dunno 08 was pretty bad. We had a shared Deviantart dedicated to TDK fanart....
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>>78032203
What's there to forget? There's a jailbreak and then there's a dance off and they guard the galaxy.
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>>78032186
>>78032200
The word filter already took care of the 'C' word and baneposting is dead

What more do you want?
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>>78027754
fuck off. DC actors/directors have said even stupider shit about the MCU. it goes both ways.
it's funny that here of all places you find people complaining about other people being meanies.
isn't that supposed to be tumblr's thing?
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>>78032181
Starcrossed
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>>78032229
Fanart is more /co/-related than live action.

>>78032258
I want /tv/ out of /co/, thanks.
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>>78032142
That was because of Whedon. Joss Whedon fags pour money all over him any time he takes a shit. And them hope the next shit will be more episodes of Firefly.
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>>78032258
remove live-action entirely

I'll miss Flash threads, but not that much
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>>78032261
>DC actors/directors have said even stupider shit about the MCU
Sauce, other than your ass?
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>>78032181

>Begins
>Dark Knight Rises
>Constantine
>Superman/Batman: Public Enemies
>Justice League Doom
>Justice League New Frontier
>All Star Superman
>Superman vs the Elite
>Batman Year One
>Justice League Crisis on Two Earths
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>>78032261
I don't think the film crews give much of a fuck, most are casual comic fans and don't care much for the DC Marvel rivalry. Hell some here I'm sure want DC to succeed but are worried they fucked things up with Green Lantern and MoS switching places in starting off the DCEU or whatever was going on with that.
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>>78032351
>direct-to-video animated features
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>>78032181

Superman I, II, Batman 89, Begins, if we're talking animated films that opens things up a lot. Plus you said "good" not great or perfect so maybe Batman Returns and Batman Forever? They're flawed but watchable. Batman 66 is campy fun.

The only truly bad ones are Steel, Batman and Robin, and Green Lantern. It's generally agreed Supes 3, 4 and Catwoman are at least bad enough to be entertaining throughout and Catwoman and Steel are pretty removed from their comic counterparts. Pretty sure Catwoman's goal was to give Eartha's Catwoman an identity but it didn't do the poor gal justice.

Man of Steel is kind of crappy but I find more middle of the road boring than on the level of Green Lantern. It pisses me off as a Superman film but when I look out it without my emotions it's just kind of there and should be forgotten one day.

Should we count serials? I haven't seen those so I can't really place them anywhere...
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>>78032380
>direct-to-video animated features are not movies
I hadn't seen this meme in a long time.
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>>78031899
>And Hitch is writing JL nowadays.

That ain't a compliment. It's mediocre.
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>>78032371
Let's post nice things DC and Marvel actors/directors say about eachother.
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>>78032435
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>>78032421
Hey, you wanted him back.
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>>78031921
>And did it again with Man of Steel which marvelfags will forever complain and whine about since they know they will never have anything half as good.

You're trying too hard.
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>>78032444
>Back at Anthony Russo’s Omelete interview, the director was then asked about there being a competition with Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice considering it hits theaters just over a month before Marvel’s Captain America: Civil War and both movies share some similarities. “Well, as filmmakers, my brother and I, we love the [superhero] genre,” Russo started. “The more good comic book movies there are, the better as far as we are concerned. We don't really look at it as a competition. We think [Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice director] Zack Snyder is great, and we hope the movie is fun, great and cool, and something we all enjoy just like everybody else.”
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>>78032417
I didn't say they weren't movies. I was implying that they aren't even on the same level of quality as real movies.
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>>78032400
>Man of Steel is kind of crappy but I find more middle of the road boring than on the level of Green Lantern. It pisses me off as a Superman film but when I look out it without my emotions it's just kind of there and should be forgotten one day.
Your trap is broken.
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>>78032351
All-Star wasn't great
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>>78032469
>animated movies are inferior to live-action movies
Oh, this is a new one.
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>>78032489
Just the "Direct-to-Video" ones.
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>>78032470

I never said it was a good movie it's just more mediocre and forgettable than we all want to admit. It'd be just like Returns if it weren't launching the DCEU.

Hell I forgot about Returns. Fuck that movie too. It was better than MOS though.
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>>78032489
is it, though
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>>78032509

I think I've gotten more entertainment out of Wonder Woman and COTE than I have any of the live action movies honestly.
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>>78032512
It's OK, OP; you were passing as a DC fan but you fucked up.

>>78032509
Tarantino thinks you're full of shit.
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>>78032530
Protip: /tv/ abhors cartoons.
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>>78031991
This is how you spot a delusional fanboy, i feel bad for u senpai.
>>
Can you fags go back to /co/ where you belong?
>>
>>78032616
Are you retarded or just pretending to be retarded?
>>
>>78031994
This
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>>78032616
I wish I could
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>>78031967
Yeah both boards have so many similar "dkek vs mkek" arguments I got mixed up.
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>>78032616
You in /tv/ land nigga
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>>78032543
>kill bill, death proof
>women are stronk

>inglorious bastards
>joos are stronk

>django unchained
>blacks are stronk, whites are not stronk and deserve to die

Quentin Totinos is a fake, and he hasn't made a good movie in over 15 years.
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>>78032816
now it really is /tv/
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>>78032543

Can /tv/ leave? And I don't mean the live action threads they very much belong to the comic part of /co/ but just /tv/ itself because they're outright shitlords.
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>>78032870
sacrifices must be made, anon

/tv/ won't leave until live-action goes
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>>78026192
More Dick.
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>>78032870
It's impossible at this point. They've tainted every other board.
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>>78026192

Marvel is more popular but it's had shit cartoons, comics for almost 30 years.

>movies aren't very good either

Marvel Netflix and Fox Xmen are quite good though.
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>>78032959
You ironic homosexuals are worse than /tv/.
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>>78032816
lol stay mad whitey
>>
it's not what went wrong for DC, it's what went right for marvel. a shared cinematic universe was a stroke of genius. sure it seems completely obvious now and people are already copying it(DCEU, Star Wars, Godzilla VS King Kong, Universal Monsters etc ) but no one even wanted to try it before, this approach of treating movies almost like episdoes in a tv show.
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>>78033083
>implying i'm mad that a director's movies went to shit

nigger pls.
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>>78033084
>a shared cinematic universe was a stroke of genius
Universal beat them to the punch by about 80 years faggot
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>>78033084

Except this is what fans wanted DC to do since Baman '89. And DC who had no licensing problems for 25 years before Marvel got its licenses under one roof, did jack shit with the DC Universe as a property..
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>>78033152
The only thing that the old Universal monster movies had was character/monsters that shared the same names.

There was literally zero continuity.
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>>78033173
Doesn't help with bats and Supes being next to each other too much, one is essentially the god of the DC universe and the other is just a regular human with lots of toys, yet criminals are supposed to fear Bats more, always a goofy premise.
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>>78033189
Just like marvel then.
Iron Man 3 DIRECTLY contradicts and is ignored by AoU.
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>>78033074
>Implying Dick doesn't transcend sexuality.
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>>78033152
exactly, and then never again revisited the idea once movies entered the modern era. universal hasn't had crossovers(wolfman appearing in draculas movie for example) since color came to tv. shared universes existed before(lovecraft and howard for example and so on), but one one did movie franchises with them for over half a century
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>>78033213
it's because Superman is a nice guy and Batman is a cunt
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>>78033222
Or maybe it takes place in a different timeframe...
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>>78033222
>Iron Man 3
>Age of Ultron
>Whedon
Here's why.
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>>78033236
>backpedaling
ok keep memeing idc
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>>78033259
nope
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>>78033301
prove it
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>>78029942
This.

The hype bubble is eventually going to burst and they'll both go back to just one upping each other with mediocre sales figures between both.
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>>78033276
sine, you're right. a few loosely connected movies from the golden age of hollywood are exactly the same thing as the MCU. Just like the x-men and the fantastic four are a shared universe bacuse they're both made by fox and based on marvel comics
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>>78033346
burden of proof in on you, dumbass.
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>>78030516

>Image taking over the Big 2.
>Ever.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>
You know I'd really love a horror-based CU. But i think universal gave up on that idea. i heard rumours but that's pretty much it
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>>78033511
The only thing that could be counted on as a contradiction is the destruction of the Iron Man suits in Iron Man 3. Even that can be explained away with super hero logic.
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>>78033587
it's impossible until Hollywood remembers than for a monster to be scary it has to do worse than just kill/maim its victims. gore doesn't make things scary.
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>>78033594
>it's supposed to be inconsistent!
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>>78033694
meh, how many times have various superheroes "quit forever" in the comics?

>spider-man no more!

then the first time something happens they suddenly remember "hey wait a minute, i can't quit!"
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>>78033694
>not mentioning everything that happened in a previous movie and how it was resolved is inconsistent!
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>>78033761
>comics are the same as a multi billion dollar movie franchise
wew lad
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>>78033777
Tell how we go from the end of IM3 to AoU without it being inconsistent without resorting to muh comics muh offscreen.

You can't.
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>>78026192
>MCU happened

>Its cools to hate DC

>Marvel constatntly relaunching titles to get that #1 numbers

>Star wars

>Image getting sales now.
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>>78033782
>superhero movies based on superhero comics are nothing alike

dal wew
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>>78033782
no but the characters are, which is why i'm comfortable explaining a continuity fuck up with comic book characterization. clearly black somehow forgot that tony has to be iron man for the avengers, what was whedon supposed to do, have the movie without iron man? so they just went, "eh, tony changed his mind" and that's fine by me
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>>78033849
>>78033840
>comics are the same as a multi billion dollar movie franchise
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>>78032304
Jason Mamoa wrote fuck marvel in his autographs for aquaman.
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>>78033849
Are you saying Tony stopped being Iron Man after 3?
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>>78030613
dc shill spotted
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>>78033902
Robert downhere jr said "fuck dc"

Insecurity much?
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>>78033259
You mean before AoU
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>>78030736
i torrent ms marvel and karnak and old elseworlds and batman shit. i also pirated red lanterns
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>>78033838
>>Image getting sales now.
On trades you mean, their only selling ongoing is SAGA
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>>78033911
well if that wasn't his intention then blowing up hundreds of billion-dollar armors was a pretty stupid move. maybe he's secretly on cocaine in this universe and just thought it'd be bitchin' to see the fireworks
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>>78026192
Just go for the obvious and fix their fucking public image. Right now the average person views DC as the home of dark, brooding, serious comics because that's the tone of every other section of their media. Batman is the poster boy of DC for years, and their severe over reliance on him in other media is exactly what hinders them when it comes to comics. They just need more of a balance; throw in more lighthearted stuff that also serve as advertisement for lesser known heroes, while also dialing back the darker, more serious stuff. Show the normies you can actually have fun with DC, and that other heroes exist. Ironically, they actually had the right idea with Brave and the Bold, only to go the opposite direction afterwards.
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>>78033958
He asked for sauce, no need to react that bad.
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>>78034037
okay this post is blatant shilling
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>>78034035
But this is what they are doing with Flash and arrow, we have the titular heroes but we also have a bunch of Minor ones having arcs and appearing to help the hero, cisco and hawks for example
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>>78034061
Shilling for who, nigga calm the fuck down. If I were to shill for anything it'd be DC. That or Jarritos
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>>78032435
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>>78033958

RDJ put down TDK when Iron Man 1 didn't perform better.

It's all just the usual playful jabs that we've seen between writers for the most part and just like with the writers /co/ blows it out of proportion.
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>>78034025
He said he was shaving them down, then at the end he said he's fucking Iron Man, what movie were you watching?
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>>78034124
christ look how happy she is
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>>78032444
Meanwhile at DC vs DC
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>>78034097
/tv/ GET OUT FUCK FUCK FUCK
WE
ARE
TALKING
ABOUT
COMICS
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>>78034124
long story short everyone loves benoist
got it
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>>78034097
>ollie has a kid

arrow dropped. FUUUUUUUCK you CW, i might even tolerate the horrible pointless insert, but i'll not tolerate a kid actor being a kid
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>>78033222
What? Where, how?
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>>78034183
Everyone except Gotham's Twitter PR person
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>>78034166

Didio and Simone used to have some really great love/hate interplay on twitter back in the day.

>>78034187

He's been a father at least twice in the comics. Season 4 is telling Green Arrow stories. Running for mayor, finding out he has a kid, subtle hints at a Black Canary/Green Arrow endgame. Only difference he's not Connor or Robert...

Speaking of Robert Queen...

>Robert was conceived when his mother Shado raped his father Green Arrow while he was delirious with a fever.

If only they brought him back alongside Damian.
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>>78034174
marvel and dc and now inextricably tied to other media. you can't discuss why comics are doing so-and-so without discussing movies, video games, toys and so on.
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>>78034313
never in the history of fiction has someone learning they have a kid mid-story ever led to anything remotely good. kids are snot nosed bastards who ruin everything.
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>>78034174

>2015
>thinks we're still living in the superheroes-are-a-comics-medium period of pre-2005.
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>>78034324
your so rong it hurts
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>>78034387

>Implying Damian didn't lead to something good
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>>78034415
IT'S
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>>78034441
if you choose to see it that way. i hate damian, and frankly even for batman, having a 10-year-old pre-pubescent boy running around fighting grown men because he's had "assassin training" is just ridiculous. it's 3 Ninjas level of camp that tries to play itself seriously
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>>78034448
IT'S'N'T
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>>78034097
Those shows are bizarre though, because the shows themselves are trying to be as dark and serious as possible yet it reaches 66 Batman levels of silly camp.

Also, they're stoll overshadowed by the movies, which cement the reputation far more. The upcoming BvsS and SS is probably going to hurt them even more in the long run.
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