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Now that western animation is starting to borrow more and more

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Now that western animation is starting to borrow more and more from anime, what stuff from anime would love to see more of in cartoons?

What stuff from anime would you hate to see in western animation?
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an actual coherent plot instead of episodic ones
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>What stuff from anime would you hate to see in western animation?

Eastern dialogs.
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Honestly just higher quality and more fight scenes.

Although it happens more in webcomics than animation it really pisses me off whenever they use Anime high school tropes for something that doesn't take place in Japan. The school uniforms, over the top tsunderes all that shit doesn't actually happen in Western high schools. I mean sure a lot of western high school tropes are ridiculous and don't make sense but at least they were grounded in reality at some point. Shitty anime tropes that artists use in their story because they were inspired by anime never actually happened in high school and they would know that if they didn't spend high school with no friends reading manga.
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>>78015781
We already have those. Next.
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not so much a specific cliche/trope/etc but an openmindness to other cultures' animation techniques/styles/cliches/etc. I think Japan's cartoon industry could use some fresh ideas
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Just better visuals overall, without having to borrow their lust for few FPS.
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More reverse traps
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>>78015897
>coherent plot

we barely have them
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Never heard this discussed, has western animation ever made any good romances/relationship based shows?
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>>78015751

Quality.

Ba-dum-dish
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>What stuff from anime would you hate to see in western animation?
Shows that are almost completely fanservice.

If I wanted to watch porn I'd be watching porn.
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>>78015751
>>78017157

Love:
Good action scenes
Good team combination attacks

Hate:
Harem plots
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>>78015751
Less harems SoL romcoms and more wacky zany adventures.
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More monster women.
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more posing
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I want a western YGO or just mon shows in general

also seconding >>78017064 and >>78016478
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>>78019447
>>78016478
These and fight scenes.
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>>78015751
I'd like to see more attempts at serious storytelling and fanservice.

I would not like to see 20 minutes worth of story stretched into 20 episodes, or "comedy" that consists of stock face faults.
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Adult oriented shows without a comedy focus. More shows with a cohesive plot and a planned out ending.
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>>78020097
>>78020928
>Serious Storytelling
>Cohesive Plots
>In Anime
What the fuck are you on, Anons?
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>>78021002
even though theyre rare, its certainly much more common in anime than in western animation.
I guessing its just that nips dont see cartoons as just a "kids" thing. And as much as you can hate millennials, at least theyre bringing the idea of "cartoons being taken seriously" into western media.
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>>78021105
>I guessing its just that nips dont see cartoons as just a "kids" thing.
They do. They just are a lot more willing to experiment in genres because they produce more shows by several orders of magnitude.
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>>78015751
want: slice of life without gimmicks, school shit
do not want: increased sexuality, since I just don't find Western hot save for Euro stuff
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>>78021172
should clarify, school stuff is fine but no magical girl/boy stuff.
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>>78021172
>slice of life

I'm going to fucking puke
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>>78015751
More male on female rape, sort of like the abstinence episode of Family Guy.
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>>78021283
>male on female rape
Shit taste.
Female on male rape is where it's at.
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>>78021351
Whoops, I meant that the other way around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuijZhocoBI
also, comedic rape in general
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>>78015751
I wish that were true. From where I'm standing there is some influence here and there but nothing that is even close to what various genres anime tries to appeal to every season. I would say you don't even know what you are talking about.
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>>78015751
I don't know what this thread is about nor do I give a fuck enough to read, I'm just here to say that Kneesocks was the best girl.
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Shitty stilted animation
Bad motion timing so everything looks like it's either it's swimming through mud or experiencing a mechanical failure
Recycled character design
Lack of facial features or character-specific facial expressions
Limiting creativity by using the same five or six stock expressions
Incessant talking and repetition in the style of "What?! Eh?! We were all having a good time and then this guy has the nerve to say something like that! What a rude person to behave in that way!"
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>>78021726
>What?! Eh?!
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>>78021690
Western Cartoons need more best girls like Kneesocks.
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>>78019268
Western monster women usually have more interesting designs than the Japanese style of give a girl horns and a tail, so while I do want more, I don't want them in the Japanese style.
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I would like to see more stuff like Ghost in the shell. Quality animation, serious plot.
Do not want: fanservice, big eyes, lazy animation, teenagers and their problems.
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>>78021118
Not really.

Japan sees cartoons the way France does. Cartoons for kids are for kids and cartoons for older audiences are for older audiences. Do you really think stuff like GitS is marketed at ten-year-olds?

They just also think that being obsessed with these things is bad, no matter your age.
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>>78021897
It's their thing anon.
Beauty matters to them to the point they don't even like to put scars on their warrior women. It would defeat the purpose of monster women if they were as disgustingly ugly as their monster men.
It's a staple by now.
Still there are those that at least make the effort to actually make them look like more than just a woman with some animal features like ears and tails.
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>>78022008
>implying western monster women are disgustingly ugly

Our female aliens/monsters are generally some variation of 'girls with different coloured skin' and 'girls with tendrils for hair'. Sometimes both.
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>>78022008
Man, it really bums me out that none of the female heroes in opm had an interesting design like she did.
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>>78022043
The style is simple on purpose though.
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>>78021991
Better watch out or /a/ will call you '/v/ermin' for liking 'manime'

>b..but anime hasn't been filled with moeshit
>anime wuz always bad!
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>>78022035
Hey now, I like any monster/alien woman worth her salt, east or west, all I was comparing them to was the male counterpart, which is pretty much always where all the ugliness goes.
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>>78022008
Shitty character design is shitty
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more stuff like this please.
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>>78022061
I share the sentiments of that gif. I don't understand what you are trying to say. I think the male superheroes have plenty of interesting designs.
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>>78022099
>more robotic mechanical motion pls
Jesus Christ
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>>78022111
>more beautiful animation pls
ftfy
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>>78021600
From animation techniques to faux anime anime influences are plenty.
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Characters can be sexy without huge tits and ass. Diablo for example. He is hot. Just look at this butt.
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It'd be nice to have some serious shows once in a while. I'm not talking hardcore edge. I mean more philosophical, political, artistic. Any of those combined with gallows humour would be cool
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>>78022148
Monster asses you say?
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>>78022148
You're posting a character with a sexy ass while saying characters don't need one to be sexy?
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>>78021897
I think japanese monster women have more interesting designs.
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>>78022201
They do have a tendency to have a human-like face
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>>78022205
But sometimes the similarities are a lie
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>>78022196
At least this creature is not another "girl with different skin color".
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>>78022201
sometimes
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>>78022209
Yeah, I'm not really complaining, I just found the logic strange.
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>>78022121
Enjoy shithead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M_8Sa_xfzk
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>>78022211
I mean, compare this
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>>78022270
To this
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>>78022260
Are you seriously comparing Oshii's work to that? Are you fucking brain dead?
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>>78015751

Who is this Dick Juice MISUSE?!?
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>>78015751
>what stuff from anime would love to see more of in cartoons?

Lewdness.
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>>78022270
Regular girl wearing costume.
>>78022271
Actual beast-woman.
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>>78022270
Best girl
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>>78022270
When'd she grow tits?
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>>78022294
They're actually fairly similar and the claim of "girl wearing costume" can be said of demona from every part of the waist up. Really, the only things that make her "beast girl" in design is everything from the knees down.
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>>78015751
People tend to overlook this, but most anime has really good music. Something Western Animation utterly lacks when it comes to anything that isn't a singalong.
Don't even get me started on the Gundam Franchise.
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>>78022286
Big Red
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>>78022325
This guy gets it.
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>>78022325
Link related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTtRyeHgB14

Scratch Disney, this is the only track I'll remember till death.
Don't worry /m/-fags, I think Turn A's OST is the best of them all.
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>>78022294
Actually it is the other way around. Dragonewt hands are like an animal claw like birds, she have patches of scales and anatomical connections and the bone structure of the wing actually looks biological.

The other one is just a girl in costume, human hands and painted skin, and the bone structure of the wings looks more like a plastic structure that serves just to support a cape to make it looks like a wing. The only things that saves that design are the feet.
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>>78022589
Here is a better view of the wings.

These wings alone makes her design far superior to the purple girl in rubber costume.
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>>78022325
Yeah, the few cartoons I remember got good music were justice league and Invader Zim, both by kevin mantey. Animes on the other hand there are a lot of them with good music and everything Yoko Kanno makes. Understandable as they actually plan to sell the music later unlike in most cartoons.
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>>78015781
Are you implying animes have coherent plots? Seriously?
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>>78020012
serena is nice, but then Serena is a bitch, I don't know how I feel about Serena though.
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>>78021118
>They do
>literally has genre aimed at specific young adult demographic.
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>>78021105
90% of anime is fanservice shit.
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>>78022270
>>78022271
both are human looking.
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>>78022325
>Something Western Animation utterly lacks when it comes to anything that isn't a singalong.

That comes from the stigma that cartoons are for children and children's music is all sing-a-long bullshit.
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>>78022271
Much better. It actually looks like a monster. That's the objective plot-wise.
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>>78015751
less comedic nonsense more of light seriousness
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>>78022270
If you get the figure of the left, you notice she barely even look like a monster.
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>>78022704
The dragonewt is an anatomical blend of human and animal parts. Demona is a blend of human and halloween costume. Seriously, the bone structure on that wing only serves to keep the wing open while she is standing up, it is just a halloween costume wing. The dragonewt wing seems to be derived from the anatomy of an arm and hand not to say about the hands that looks like bird feets or the scales distributed around the body protecting the arms, and spine
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>>78022747
See >>78022625
Same character.
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I just want the west to be as interested in funding animation studios as the east. The industry would thrive and quality would increase over time.

Unfortunately, Disney dominates the medium not only as a company but an audience favorite. Try to talk to any stuffy adult about cartoons and he won't know a thing, but mention the latest Disney film and he'll gush because, "Disney is for everyone and not just babbies and manchildren."
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>>78021233
I mean stuff like Nichibros, it was the shit
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>>78022781
>Demona is a blend of human and halloween costume
The funny thing is that is what most Japanese monster girls are.
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Rampant homosexuality
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I would definnitely like more shows targetted to teens, but not in the way where there's preachy Degrassi messages at the end of each episode. That's something that teens and especially younger kids would like more
I'd like more atmosphere or ambience, kinda like what Revolutionary Girl Utena's atmosphere is
Also I'd want more western cartoons to borrow the pacing of dialogue from anime, as well as an actual coherent plot like >>78015781 said
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>>78022852
I still say that cartoons have more crappy ones. "Let's paint her skin and put wings. Don't bother checking how animal wings actually are like, just put something wing like there, the kids won't know better anyway."
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>>78022933
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>>78021881
>>78021690
Good taste, you guys
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>>78015751
sakuga

it's one thing for a cartoon have a consistent quality all the way through but if you can make the climax of a cartoon look like jesus came to life and animated that shit himself, you've got yourself some grade A Apple Pie and Mac n Cheese topped off with Shredded Cheddar Jack and Mozzarella
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>>78022148
moar diablo plz

>tfw D2 solidified monster dude fetish
i regret nothing
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>>78015751
what episode of ppg is she from
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>>78022989
the one where HIM introduces his son to the Mayor and gets him a job as the Mayor's new secretary
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>>78022873
>Degrassi
Hey fuck you, it had Drake acting like retard on a wheelchair, that alone makes it great
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>>78022989
A good portion.

She, her sister, and their little goon are recurring antagonists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxRR6J1ZYAw
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>>78022933
Western cartoons can't have more since we don't have that many to begin with.
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>>78015751

I think of all the dirty things I'd like to do to her and her sister, and then I feel ashamed that a person would want to do any of it to another living being.

But then I remember that she's just a cartoon and I feel better.
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>>78021118
You are delusional, the whole seinen demographics is aimed at aged 16 and up.
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More demon girls.
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>>78015751
I like how they portray food and eating, often makes me hungry.
Most /co/ food isn't as appetizing, save in Asterix.

I can do without the very stereotypical side characters shounens have. Also jap humour only works because we're aware that japs are weirdos, it doesn't translate well to characters created in the west.
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>>78023048
More of this, dramatic momentary change of art quality to depict moments of high drama.
Granted I think western animation did it first for laughs with Ren and Stimpy, but we have fallen out of practice.
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>>78023035
Seinen is way more represented in manga than anime, specifically because animation is seen as kiddy.
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>>78023009
Thinking about it they are either painted women with some extra appendage, furries or a monster that happens to be female. I don't know about other people's definition of "monstergirl" but to me monstergirls have to be half human to separate them from female monsters.

/co/ would fuck them all anyway.
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>>78023087
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Let's not forget the fucking idiotic head-wings and waist-wings.

And other idiotic anatomy that's rampant in anime
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>>78022006
France here, you're full of shit.
Cartoons are seen as childish here, which is why adult cartoons, while extant, aren't really successful.
Certainly nothing comparable to the US, which have immensely successful adult cartoon shows.
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>>78023076
Something interesting about Japan's TV is that half of it is about food. Japanese love food.
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>>78022325
South Park has God-tier music, and not just the musical numbers.
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>>78023107
You mean in Morrigan? Those are not functional, she is a Succubus, and even in those they cared enough to give it a wing like bone structure.
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>>78023117
Hey frenchbro, why is manga so "normal" over there? You guys had JoJo in your bookstores for years before it became a thing.
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>>78023117
I think there is a disparity of what France considers appropriated for kids and what America considers appropriated.
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>>78023125
The only live action jap TV I watch is Gaki no Tsukai and half their "bits" include eating something or another.
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>>78023142
purest waifu
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>>78023167
There were TV programs starting as early as the 70s that featured a disproportionate amount of anime and even some sentai.
I was born in 1985 and I'm not even the 1st french generation to grow up with anime all around.
For some reason Americans caught the manga bug only later.

For Jojo's particular case it might be relevant that Hokuto no Ken was shown in TV programs targeting kids in the 80s.
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>>78023101
>>78023158

Ah, 2 of my three demon goddesses...
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>>78023158
they aren't even a part of her body, they're just made from her cloud of shapeshifting bats that are also capable of becoming rocket jets and missile launchers
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>>78023168
There is but I'm not certain how that's relevant.
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I don't think I can point out a single individual thing I want western animation to copy from anime or vice versa. This idea of an anime "style" is very reductive, and when westerners try to copy it this always results in some cookie cutter big-eyed moeshit with HEADS THAT BECOME HUGE WHEN SOMEONE IS SCREAMING!!!

I think the biggest difference between anime and western animation isn't style (both are extremely varied in this regard), storytelling or what not. As far as I can tell, the difference is generally effort. In the Nihons, shounen and seinen anime (and their feminine counterparts) are aimed at teenagers and young adults respectively. In the West, 9/10 times anime is advertised to children and the rare few that aren't are usually animated sitcoms like the Simpsons. This isn't horrible per se, Disney for example advertises its products towards children but sometimes makes an animated film even adults can enjoy. The problem is that many western animators think that because something is for children, it's excusable to halfass it.

Of course Japan has its own problems, for example very few anime can survive without copious fanservice, but I think that overall the state of Japanese animation is a lot better than that of Western animation.

tl;dr: Western animation doesn't need to copy/borrow, it needs to learn. If animation can get out of the age ghetto and animating becomes something that's considered worth the effort, western animation might improve without needing to borrow any Oriental elements.

>>78023117
Can you confirm something for me, please? Is it true that the French consider cartoons to be childish, but comics to be relatively normal?
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>>78023214
Yeah, they are more like a shapeshifting weapon... What actually makes the design pretty innovative and original now that you mention it. I can't remember anything like that before!
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>>78022270
>dragonewt
?
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>>78023215
What you consider a kids cartoon might not be seen the same way in america.
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>>78023253
Yeah, those are the monsters. But monstergirl version have more girl in it.
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>>78015781
An episodic format is sometimes better than a plot. Not all shows need plot 24/7.
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>>78023253
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>>78023202
Solid explanation, thanks frenchbro.
Now help me figure out why he's so perfect
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>>78022325
This
Also, every character needs his/her own theme song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l_x9R6yAxQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MrT7bKNjH4
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>>78023292
But some plot is better than have everything turned back because status quo.
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More cute girls that exist only to be waifu-bait for lonely neckbeards and to sell merchandise.
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More and more mecha shows.

A remake of Exosquad, Inhumaniods, Centurions, and any other toyetic show into a more serious action filled show would be great.
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FUCKING NIPPLES
HOW HARD IS IT TO ANIMATE SOME
GODDAMN
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NIPPLES
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>>78022781
That particular wing is meant to imitate pterodactyl wing anatomy. Gargoyles run the full spectrum of wing skeletons, from Goliath's more batlike arrangement to Lexington's weird ass flying squirrel thing. Gargoyles are also gliders, for the same reason the monstergirl dragonewt is.
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>>78022625
The fuck are you talking about? The chick from Monmusu looks less like a monsters and more of the typical animu bitch with a ton of shit on her to make it an excuse. Nothing except the wings and claws make it monster-like. At least the gargoyle chick has inhuman skin color, monster feet and fucking wings, man.
They're both hot, though.
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>>78023246
Pretty much on the comics/cartoons french POV.
Comics are seen as a bit nerdy if youre super into them but not as much as in the US, and generally not childish. Basically most adults who own books own a handful of comics.
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>>78023383
Also, gargoyles using their wings like cloaks while at rest is boss, I don't care how anatomically implausible it is
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>>78023262
What makes a cartoon a kids' cartoon is not just the absence of boobs or the presence of blood.
For instance the Animals of Farthing Woods features the death of characters on screen and is completely void of comedy, but nobody would mistake it for a cartoon aimed at adults because the story and how it's told are typical of kids cartoons.
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>>78023337
That's like, your opinion, man.
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>>78022008

>It would defeat the purpose of monster women if they were as disgustingly ugly as their monster men.

But what if I want spider faced spider girls. I mean, hell, at least give her some spider fangs, and maybe slightly hairy skin if she's a tarantula girl.
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Japanese plot
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>>78023465
Then you should play tabletop rpgs with /tg/
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>>78023490
But I want to watch a show.
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>>78023465
>at least give her some spider fangs
Yes, that's coffee
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>>78023337
Status quo works fine for some shows. You can't expect EVERY show to be deep or entirely story driven, anon. Sometimes weird and/or dumb fun is fine to have around so long as it's good. I'm not a fan of cliches or the status quo, but if the show is better with it than without it, I have no problem with that. I mean, would something like Courage, Johnny Bravo, or even Dexter's Lab if it was constricted and forced to follow a story that was probably shit? Sometimes doing shit without an overarching plot or a main story is the way to go.
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>>78023500
Spider fangs, I said. Those are generic sharp teeth
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>>78023498
Well that's unfortunate. You'll have to come to terms with the fact your interest in deviant fetishism is not the norm, or even acceptable.
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>>78023383
Pterodactyl wings have bone structure supporting the wing. That one have none. Also notice how there is no protopagium? That is not a wing, that's a curtain.

>>78023386
>Nothing except the wings and claws make it monster-like.
9000 times better wings
Claws while the cartoon have human like hands

>Muh painted skin!!!
Dragonewt had fucking scales!

>monster feet
Considering other lineages she probably have monster feet too

>fucking wings
Curtains, Dragonewt have wings yours are just curtains.
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>>78023551
Forgot pic
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>>78023533
I don't want it for sexual reasons. Ecchi and fanservice is stupid. I want actually interestingly designed monsters who are also girls. Sorry I brought such offense to your Halloween costume anime chicks
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>>78023526
You mean an accurate spider mouth that dissolves rather than chews?
Her pepidalps are located near her crotch, make of that what you will
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>>78023551
Pterodactyl wings have a single "finger" of bones supporting it along the edge, the rest form a hand at the wrist joint, much like in the pic of Angela posted.
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>>78023620
Pedipalps are actually used for sex in spiders, so that location isn't at all inappropriate. Still no fangs though
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>>78023567
>I don't want it for sexual reasons
Well then what's the point?
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>>78023567
Then why does the gender matter? Is there something special about female monster anatomy that you can't imitate in male? Something that somehow isn't sexual?
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>>78023500
Is the author aware that spiders are hyper-sensitive to caffeine and various other substances?

They even change the design of their webs depending on what they're high on
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Nips are good at animation because that's all they got that's some what respectable
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>>78023675
Many species are female only and reproduce with human males. So I guess they would mimic humans like that flower that mimics a female wasp.
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>>78023691
>Is the author aware that spiders are hyper-sensitive to caffeine and various other substances?
Yup
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>>78023648
She does have fangs but it is more apparent on the hentai version he did before doing the manga. In the porn version she is able to bite and suck blood like a vampire.
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>>78023675
I want interesting male monster designs for sexual purposes :(
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>>78022681
I think he is.

And so would I.
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>>78023736
>STERTBOOKS COFFEE
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>>78015751
>MUH HONOR

Nothing gets me diamonds faster than honorable villains and villains and heroes with mutual respect for each other
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>>78015751
Good lolis.
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>>78023634
The gargoyle pic had no membrane ahead of the arm unlike serious pterodactyl illustrations. But by checking seems like there is still a huge debate over the details on how their wings actually were. I still think her wing would look more like a wing by having the arm portion longer and more horizontal instead of shorter and up.
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>>78023675
Because they would still have feminine traits. They just won't be overtly human.
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>>78022325
>Climactic battle
>Just as the hero turns the tables against the villain(s), the theme song blares triumphantly

So fucking hype and so few shows in the west do this. Power Rangers has a better track record than most cartoons, for fuck's sake.
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>>78015751
Nothing, anime a shit
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>>78023947
>he said on a website made by and for weebs
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>>78023947
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>>78023994
>Someone doesn't like anime
>Time to shitpost
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>>78023982
The fact that 4chan has shit taste doesn't make anime any less bad.

It just means there are thousands (or millions) of idiots here that will defend it.

Much like there are thousands (or millions) of idiots that will defend ISIS ideology. People are just dumb sometimes.
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>>78024049

Is this bait?

I think it's bait...
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>>78024049
Is ISIS the new NAZI meme?
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>>78024049
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>>78023042
>>78023212
>>78024133
That's one too many post per-thread for you, Boco.
It's time to shut up
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>>78019447
Literally autism.
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>>78022681
>I have only ever watched flavor of the month anime
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>>78022687
>>78023035
Which are looked down upon similar to how an adult reading comics or playing video games was looked down upon until the last decade or so.
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>>78023947
>>78024046
>>78024049
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>>78023445
>but nobody would mistake it for a cartoon aimed at adults
Yes they would.

Whenever an American kids' cartoon has the slightest bit of emotional depth, innuendo, or says words like "pissed", the internet explodes with "This isn't REALLY a kids' show".
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We need good animation.
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>>78024458
They're just being wilfully obtuse. American kids cartoons have had those in spades.

It's not because some retard on the internet says something that it makes it true. Yes I understand the irony.

Besides I've even argued on this board with people who think there's no such thing as an adult American cartoon show. Retards have retarded opinions.
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>>78024458
Also
>Farthing Woods
>emotional depth
Nah, the characters barely qualify as showing human emotions
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>>78024331

Yes sir...
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>>78015751
>what stuff from anime would love to see more of in cartoons?

actual monster girls and not the furry characters, which /co/ tend to pretend they are not furry.
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A show like Yami Shibai, please.

The last good instance of horror animation I've seen in years.
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>>78024593
>actual monster girls
You mean the girls pretending to be monsters
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>>78021690
>>78022959
Scanty's the better demon girl.
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>>78024746
How can one man be so wrong.
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>>78024647

that they don't go full furry, doesn't mean they are not monster girls.
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>>78023913
Gargoyle wing anatomy details varied by individual. The general anatomical variance was meant to be a nod to how irl gargoyles come in a wide variety of types.

Their wings never had the extra membranes because it wouldn't work for what they had them do in the animation (i.e. appendage articulation, "wing cloaks" like in >>78023411, etc.). It served them to have a flexible design because they were more about form and style over function and realism. Western animation in general has always tended to put more emphasis in distinct silhouettes over rigid anatomy. The creator himself went into ridiculous detail about their biology/anatomy during interviews, panels and such, so there certainly is no lack of care during the designing process.

The gargoyle and the dragonewt are more or less the same core design, one just favors realism and sexiness while the other favors simplism and style. One is not lesser or greater than the other for having different priorities. Thinking so is just a matter of opinion. Though mine is that the dragonewt is weeaboo shit
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>>78024761
But that anon is right you filthy namefag
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>>78024786
Scanty is objectively worst girl, not even Panty is as bad as Scanty.
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Want: No Western moralfaggotry. Brutal protagonists.
Don't want: female protagonists. Shitty flashy fight scenes. Pseudo-intellectual garbage like Lain, Texhnolyze or Ghost in the Shell.
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>>78024832
> Pseudo-intellectual garbage
> Ghost in the Shell
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>>78024786
>>78024746

Finally, someone with a brain.
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>>78024832
>Pseudo-intellectual
>GitS
I'm all with you on that point, but GitS is one of the few actually intellectual animes out there
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>>78024761
I prefer my demons to be brutish instead of classy.
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>>78024985
>GitS
>intellectual
I know that board that reads comics and watches cartoons can't be intelligent, but this is retarded even by its standards.
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>>78024832
> Pseudo-intellectual garbage like Lain, Texhnolyze or Ghost in the Shell.
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>>78024832

the fedora meme has gone too far.
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>>78024999

I applaud you for your taste.
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>wanting female characters at all
Literally cancer killing fiction.
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>>78023743
I think he meant actual, independently articulate spider fangs, not enlarged canines
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>>78024390
that's most animes
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>>78022781
>The dragonewt is an anatomical blend of human and animal parts
if she is in front of you, you can't even tell she is a monster.
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>>78015751

probably some shonen type shit.

we need action cartoons dammit.
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>>78022082
Shit, looking back at the earlier episodes of OPM you can really see the animation budget at work compared to the newer episodes.
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>>78025434
>>78024985
>animes
stop this
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>>78023747
Actually, I do recall an artist with a bunch of sexualized pics of her male naga OC
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>>78024832
>moral faggotry
>pseudo-intellectual garbage like Lain, Texhnolyze, or Ghost in the Shell

2/10 made me reply
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Harems.
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>>78016993
Avatar
Most Marvel Series
Gravity Falls
Phenias and Ferb has continuity between episodes
Star vs the Forces of Evil
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>>78025473
>anime
that's what the thread is about.
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>>78020063
A lot of the DC series had good fight scenes, If anything its comics that need good fight scenes
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>>78025491
Moralfag spotted.
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>>78025517
Don't forget Wander Over Yonder.
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>>78025517
justice league/unlimited. Superman/batman animated series. Teen titans.

can we count wakfu/dofus?
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>>78025517
>>78025545
The fact that your examples are just 5 shows with any continuity at all says a lot.
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>>78022702
and 90% of cartoons is comedy bullshit.
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>>78025543
>>>/r9k/
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>>78025517
>Star vs the Forces of Evil
I like how you had to sneak that garbage in there.
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>>78015751
Official art dakimakuras of cartoon waifus.
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Stop relying on callbakcs to other animes and just emulate the animation style.

Stop relying on having scenes comprised of characters in 3/4 stance talking to each other.

Stop using 3/4 stance so much.

give characters theme music

better character designs.

Stop fucking using cal arts style.
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>>78025577
>comedy bullshit
except on rare cartoons where comedy is the focus of the show, it doesn't get in the way of the plot like fanservice does. Let me put it this way: there is spongebob, and there is Justice league. Translating to anime, it's like 90% of the shows are spongebob tier.
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>>78015751
Idolshit.
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>>78023947
This was fun
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Punches/Blows with Weight and Impact that have a satisfying "crunch" factor.

We got animations where the characters throw really good punches but the most we see as a reaction is someone falling down. At most we see is someone just turn their head and fall down. Usually its the villain that get's these hits so a good solid crunchy punch reaction will make the blow so much satisfying.
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>>78025833
Every other punch in justice league was accompanied by a flash and a nice solid cracking noise
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>>78021690
>>78021881
>>78022959
>>78024746
>>78024786
>>78024933
>>78024999
>Liking demons at all.

How can you all have such wretched taste? We all know Panty is the best girl in the show.
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>>78023982
wait a fucking moment, this board was full of weebs haters, and pretentious hipstersfags who used to despreciate flashy animation and stereotypical anime fights.

What the hell happened?
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>>78025968
>Panty
>best anything
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>>78025833
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUu4ArJyZcs

Japan is inferior in that area.
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>>78025968
What is wrong with her legs.
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>>78025900
Justice League punches sounded great but I was talking more about how we don't see much reaction from the recipient outside a pain reaction and falling down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK6ls__DY9I

For the most part this is a good fight, very enjoyable to watch. My issue is that its not the actual punches them selves that look strong as the real moment of impact is when the person hits a wall (which does look painful). It looks as if the person is getting hurt more from the wall than the actual blow itself as opposed to someone getting hit so hard that they need a wall to break their fall.

Other small nitpick is that every single hit sends someone flying. There's no quick hits mixed in to make the big hits seem bigger. Of course we are talking about super heroes who are defying the laws of gravity so this could just be me "not getting it"
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>>78026138
At least post a DCAU fight scene that's actually good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13H_4XOFn28
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>>78026138
That's a stronger punch but this shit is more painful
https://youtu.be/dyBaAxmeYPY?t=2m14s
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>>78026124
She could outfuck your waifu that's for sure.
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>>78026160
only if by 'more reaction' you mean the guy gets defeated in one punch or something. That happens too often in anime. If you have longer battles it will be more difficult to put anything more than just 'pain'.
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>>78026138
>Japan is inferior in that area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ4sv7TFO0Y
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>>78015751
>Now that western animation is starting to borrow more and more from anime

That's been happening since the 80's.
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>>78026219
>using an anime which copy Bruce Lee choreography

Man CB is good, but we all know Spike movements are a carbon copy of BL.
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>>78026250
Example shots are from One Piece and Ippo. There's more to the fight scene than just one punch.
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>>78025679
yes, but they produce so many goddamn shows every year they end up with far more "justice leagues" then we do, and by the nature of probability they also have more good "justice league" shows than we do.
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>>78026279
>There's more to the fight scene than just one punch
the post was about 'punching impact'.
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>>78026268
>one known lifted scene = every fight was stolen from BL
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>>78026289
>they end up with far more "justice leagues" then we do
you can't possibly believe that. Remind me of one anime in the last five years that was justice league material.
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>>78026158
You should be asking what's wrong with her feet.
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>>78026289
>Too much attention given to gigantic boobs
>absolutely no ass
Come on japan
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>>78026252
you're kind of cheating by using movies. But we have this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DXVStoatWA
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>>78026250
By "more reaction" its how pain is sold, in the screenshots you see The body/face folded and the look of pain on the person's face. As opposed to most western fights where its someone falling down
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We need the animation to be actually done in the studio, by the artists who care about what they're drawing, not outsourced to Korea

inb4 "all animation is done in Korea"
no it isn't, you retards
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>>78026351
>having to limit me to the last 5 years despite animation in the west and Japan has spanned for decades

I'll admit Japan has been lagging like shit for the last few years. I honestly hope that gives western media the chance to catch up, which honestly doesn't seem all that likely. The things we had, like Motorcity and Tron Uprising, although good, still flopped. The sign that Samurai Jack is coming back is a good sign, but unless it takes off, we're basically fucked when it comes to action cartoons from BOTH hemispheres, which is really bad.
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>>78026428
as i said, that's because most fights won't end with one punch like in anime. But if that's your thing powerpuff girls did a lot of that.
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>>78026406
>won't use guns
>will use explosives on human targets
oh batman
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>>78026548
But the fights shown in examples did not end in one punch but end with a punch.
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>>78026138
Hahahahaha, no son. Try watching some anime before you talk shit.
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>>78026653
the only reason he doesn't use guns is because they killed his parents, not because of destructive power. It's not like he has something strongly against them anyway. He did use guns sometimes; it's just not his main thing.
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>>78022873
So funny how people make a big deal out of Korra and SU having chick couples. Japan has been doing that shit for the past 20+ years like it's nothing. Don't even get me started on CLAMP
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>>78015751
more stuff like one punch man in cartoons so we can discuss in /co/
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>>78026711
the last punch causing the effect.

the only anime i know that used this kind of thing during the fights was dbz and it gets weird as shit. As i final thing, like we have in powerpuff girls, i understand, but i don't think it's so much essential.
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>>78015751
I'd like it if they borrowed more from Tokusatsu, which could be considered "live action anime." Over-the-top shows in western animation often feel like they wink to the audience and try to make a statement about just how over-the-top it is. Just rolling with it and being explosively over-the-top would be fun.
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>>78015751
Sports cartoons
That's pretty much it, they can keep the rest
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>>78022681
>Animes
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>>78026843
You said "defeated in one punch or something"

If there were other hits involved then the fight then the person was not defeated in one punch. They were defeated by a punch but not in one punch.
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>>78025434
I didn't know Dougram was flavor of the month.
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>>78026982
Most times it is in one punch, this you cannot deny. Anyway, the point is that there is no such effect in each punch because it's not a necessary effect. I don't see how just putting it in the end will make any difference at all and sincerely, i can see in dbz how putting it in the middle of the fight gets weird as fuck.
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>>78026992
wat?
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>>78027077
Yeah, you're a fag.
Go watch some actual anime you niglet.
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>>78027043
The reaction doesn't have to be that big, I was showing the extreme examples. Ippo does a good job of this in general

https://youtu.be/NtHgkSN1Alo?t=32s
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>>78027118
"you don't know about this anime i'm talking about, so you have shit taste"
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>>78027171
I never said you have shit taste, but yes. You have obviously never actually watched nor can you identify anything that was or is not flavor of the month. Perhaps I shouldn't have been as rude, but it seems pretty clear to me you don't know shit.
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>>78015751
There is literally nothing worth borrowing from anime except the porn.
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>>78026784
Those 20+ years were fanservice. The west got in the game so it could be "progressive" and that's what's bunching up people's panties
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>>78027265
>I have never watched any anime whatsoever -besides- waifu shit
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>>78027216
>links webm with fanservice
>claims most animes have good plot
>says i only watch flavor of the month
and that's how you win an argument.
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>>78015751
Traps, futas, and incest
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>>78027325
so all of it?
The only barely interesting anime I've seen are miyazaki's, and even those i find boring.
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>>78027326
Fanservice? You miss the point.
I never even said anything about plot you nitwit. Stick it up your ass.
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>>78027376
Yeah, you haven't branched out enough.
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>>78027380
the posts started talking about plot in animes if you go back and look.

by the way that animation is terrible.
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A more flexible industry. That's all we'd need for western animation

>>78016478
yes
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>by the way that animation is terrible.
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>>78027469
Oh yeah. Still wrong though.
Ah well, if you don't like Birth that's fine.
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>>78027689
i call bait... on YOUR bait!
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>>78023557
It looks literally like jap girls with skin grafts- It's retarded. Monster girls are entirely aesthetic, to the point their sexual aspects are 100% human.

There's no real "monster" in there.
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What we probably need is a more active comics scene with more diverse ideas, so that animated adaptations can be made from them.
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>>78021105
>I guessing its just that nips dont see cartoons as just a "kids" thing
If you're over the age of 15 and watch anime an average Japanese person will think you're a loser.
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>>78027715
Wait. If the white mechas were already out in the open when the blue one slid forward, why didn't they see him and shoot him? When did they get behind that wall?
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>>78027968
They're standing between buildings in the scene. Moving behind cover again is not shown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mVe3Ed5k0U
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>>78019447
That's pretty cool.
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>>78026138
OPM episode 1 alone is better and it's a shitty tv anime.
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>>78022148
Technically at that point Diablo was both male and female.
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Is this an animation thread?
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>>78028482
No.
Doesn't mean it can't be now.
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>>78028520
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>>78023107
>>78023158
>waist-wings
One theory I've heard of (and agree with) is that the succubus butt-wings are for grasping onto the guy mid-coitus.
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>>78028536
>tfw no geriatric bed waifu
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>>78028440
>OPM
opinion discarded. Did you start to watch anime this year?
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RSF's battle scene is great but frankly I think more of the rest of the movie should be shown off.
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>>78023487
>fake horns
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I'd actually really to see what the west could do with harem now that the norm is to have emasculated MCs that get punished and shamed for trying to be manly, like Dipper Pines.
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>>78015751

Most anime are basically commercials of existing manga/novel/videogame. They made decent profits just in merchandise.

western cartoon are "babysitters" with ugly designs and annoying culture pop jokes.
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>>78028594
No. I'm going off with one of the lowest examples from the top of my head, and it's still better.
OPM's manga is 2000x times better anyways.
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>>78028743
LWA was complete shit.
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>>78028721
the fuck's this
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>>78028763
"i was pretending to have shit taste".
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>>78024999
I also like for demons to be brutish but I prefer Kneesocks mostly because of how easily flustered she is.
>if Scanty was the one who got flustered easily holy shit my dick
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>>78028793
Alright, friend way to miss the entire point I was making.
Let me summarize it so your retarded ass-brain can understand it.
Even shitty TV ANIME have better punches and fight sequences than the best of western cartoons.
Did your subhuman brain catch that now?
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>>78025968
>liking worst girl
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I wish /a/ was banned from /co/ the same way /co/ is banned from /a/

Equal but separate. Frankly I can't believe anyone watches that anime shit, but if anyone would it's pathetic NEET losers who live with their moms at 35 and have never talked to a girl
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>>78028876
I would agree with your spoiler if the hypocrisy of saying that while defending comics/cartoons wasn't so blatant.
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>>78026380
It's because Japan has very few girls with sizable tits. Seriously most of them over there barely get above B cup, so they lust after that which they can't have.
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>>78028843
you're assuming:
1. that justice league is not a tv series
2. that it has the best fighting sequences of all western animation (something i didn't claim)
3. that we are talking about fighting sequences, when we were only talking about single punches/impact
4. that OPM has better fighting sequences than justice league when OPM is literally one punch
5. that OPM is not spongebob logic anime type and fights aren't just a big joke.
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>>78028960
Wait never mind, I'm lost in this argument. Forget it.
What browsing 4chan with an empty stomach will do to you is terrible. Forgive me.
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>>78027369
tfw I've run out of futa-mom on trap-son incest porn to fap to
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>>78028793
You're new here aren't you?
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>>78026380
They also produce lots of DFC.
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>>78028583

Um, they're for flying, usually.
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>>78026380
That's just cultural differences, m8. Asians aren't into ass. Americans are really into ass.
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>>78029286
Forgot link
https://youtu.be/ejY-SSI_1-0
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>>78025449
Maybe if you are a retard
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>>78028583
That's pretty hot.
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What we need is more cartoon adaptations of comics. Imagine a full hellboy animated series with kickass soundtrack. How about a faithful adaptation of preacher or sandman. There are tons of comics that would make great cartoons but we get watered down live action instead. Why are comics and cartoons together anyways?
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>>78029550
Remember Amazing Screw-On Head?
Yeah.
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>>78026252
why is he the best, /co/?
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>>78028721

Oh god one of my favorite scenes

>>78028786

His and her circumstances

The series gainax did after Eva

You can see a little kill la kill with that fall scene
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>>78029270
Nah. Those wings wouldn't be able to lift anything. It's all flying magic bro.
>>78029400
You bet your ass it is.
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>>78022137
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>>78029364
These girls know what's up.
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>>78015781
Unfortunately, that isn't the appeal for networks like Cartoonnetwork, Nick, and Disney; they probably want to target their shows for kids. And the episodic format work well because they don't have to worry about continuity and all.

The few shows that did had a chance i.e., Young Justice, Beware The Batman didn't fare well because CN want shows similar to Adventure Time and Teen Titans Go! Or, so the rumour goes.

Since Netflix and Crunchyroll want to make anime of their own, then you're best luck is putting your faith there.
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Mecha.
I absolutely hate it when Americans look at mecha in any form and go "Pft, giant robots? That's dumb."
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>>78030264

Well, they are mainly decoration, I guess...

Post more sexy demons, please.
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>>78015751
>what stuff from anime would love to see more of in cartoons?
Diversity: slice of life, magical girl, fantasy, etc cetera.

What I'd like to see and I'll use Cartoonnetwork as an example is a teenage oriented block, not like Toonami where anime is aired every Saturday.

A daily block that air around the afternoon when teenagers arrive home from school and they can watch stuff that appeal to them.
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>>78030490
It's not that people think giant robots are dumb, it's just that your average rube would prefer tacticool reelism greeble shit to just robots doing cool stuff.
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>>78025679
If we're talking plain quality, the ratio is about the same. Most cartoons aren't worth watching, most anime aren't worth watching.

IMO, though, more anime have cohesive, properly-structured stories than cartoons. The truly excellent ones tend to stand out in particular compared to what we'd consider the cream of the crop of western TV cartoons. TLA was good and all, but it doesn't really have anything on GitS or Bebop, or even not quite so amazing stuff like Uchouten Kazoku.

This is nothing inherently wrong with cartoons or western animation, it just has to do with what execs believe is acceptable.
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>>78026138
Entirely incorrect.

In fact, dynamism and impact is probably the one area where the Japs are almost always technically superior. Dudes know how to convey kineticism.

That example is terrible in comparison to your dime a dozen animu fight.
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>>78023325
>Hisoka's Theme
Instantly reminded of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz0OQK2if1g
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>>78022702
Nothing wrong with fanservice anon
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>>78025573
How many shows are even airing currently?
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>>78026380
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>>78023212
Who is the third
I must know
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>>78028482
Which Lupin is this?
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>>78028922
Well it's not like big asses are more common among them
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>>78032025

Why?
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>>78032398
Lupin the 3rd
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Slice of life-esque shows, like no weird animal/monster/alien humanoid beings or magic/sci-fi fantasy, just humans in a normal environment. Though I don't mean it always has to be CGDCT but I'm fine with it.
>>
I just want another good serialized adventure series. Something akin to Sym-Bionic Titan where the inspiration is there but the product is all its own.
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>>78032632
Because demon girls are hot.
If there is a chance its a demon girl I haven't heard of, well...I like to keep on top of these things
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>>78033785

Oh. Well, okay.

Morrigan Aensland, Scanty Demon, and Kurumu Korono: the Holy Trinity of sexy demon babes.
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>>78033940
thx
Rosario Vampire is one of many shows in my endless back log.
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>>78025517
Tron Uprising
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>>78030796
Remember when people went to go and see Grown Ups 2 over Pacific Rim?
Remember when Titanfall came out and they outright refused to call the titans mechs?
Remember how Megas XLR got canceled because no one watched it?
Face it, there is something about giant robots fighting whatever that just doesn't appeal to the west.
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>>78021002
You quoted the essentials of my post, so I'm pretty sure you understood it.

There's a shitload of those in anime. The only one I can think of in western animation like that would be The Maxx and it was based on a comic book in the first place.
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>>78035257
They just haven't been exposed to the good stuff.
Mechs are just all the more niche in the west.
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>>78037970
That pilot must have been shit to let that generic model looking thing get within beam saber range.
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>>78035257
Maybe, they're on to something. After all the best mecha is eva, and it has some of the least mecha - mecha.
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I want more creative use of super powers. Specially in animation.
I do not want action scenes to stop dead in their tracks to explain the super powers.
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>>78039706
The stands with the simplest explanations creative uses are indeed the best.
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>>78028536
um... source?
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>>78033940
Nice.
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>>78039706
Ah Duwang. How I love you.
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>>78031979
What is this thing?
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>>78043912
read the filename
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>>78022099
>>78022111
>>78022121
even anime doesnt have that anime more.

There was a handful of artists that pushed the envelop back in the day, and they are all old and nearing death.
>>
Sorta related to the thread, requesting that pic of /co/ reacting to the ass shot in SBT compared to the usual /a/ thread.
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More focus on stylistic animation and storyboarding
Steven Universe already does this
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Oh also more focus on the soundtrack. Like the director could actually pick someone who they know could fit the show, then give instructions what kind of music they need for each character and scene. Cartoon BGM tends to be really generic and forgettable but the right usage of music can give a scene a completely different impact.
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You guys realize that fanservice is a consequence of producers seeing animation as something more than mindless entertainment for kids and not as an anime influence right?
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>>78047252
Actually, it's a marketing trick.
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>>78047265
>producing content that viewers want to see is a marketing trick

I guess writing, animation, and characterization are marketing tricks as well?
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>>78047302
Can't be compared, fanservice with no other point than making you feel aroused is literally just "well some neckbeard probably faps to it and makes them buy more discs, let's put this there". Sex sells, in animation as well.
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>>78047324
>Animation quality with no other point than making you feel impressed is literally just "well some animation enthusiast probably faps to it and makes them buy more discs, let's put this there". Quality sells, in animation as well.

Let's just make everything a slideshow then. Wouldn't want to accidentally make something that people might enjoy.
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>>78047324
>Japanese guy who rejects reality and decides to move in a fantasy world.
So furries are the western equivalent to that?
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>>78047361
Hey, no need to get so defensive, I'm not judging you for liking it. I'm just saying that when there's tits or ass on the screen, it's usually meant to distract you to buy something.
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>>78047209
The only name I can remember to do that on series is Kevin Manthei. Disney/Pixar movies have great soundtracks but series usually are half assed. This is definitelly something that they should do... again will only happen when they stop seeing animation as just some shit for little kids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xxMBQtc19w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTUx52syT4o&list=PLD6098AC323B94A33
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>>78047415
I don't think he was being defensive.
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>>78032651

Hahahahahahfuck you.
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ITT: people who think they know about anime.
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>>78028786
Gainax makes a romatic comedy.

The voice actor for Misato was reading this during the intervals and laughing so they decided to animate this too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLaskZ3KC60
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>>78015751
>some ching chong nip nong shit.

Stronger characterization and serialization are things anime does well and that I do want to see more from western cartoons, plus more of a focus on older teen to adult audiences. Western cartoons are getting better, there's a growing number of shows aimed at older audiences, and that's good, animation doesn't have to be the commercials from the 80s and 90s.

Stuff I don't wanna see? I guess the weird shit and fanservice for the sake of fanservice. Japan's got some weird shit, weirder than colored horses and gay space rocks.
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>>78047559
but /co/ is the best anime imageboard on 4chan
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>>78021118
>They do

Man Kaiji, Jojo, and Berserk sure are great wholesome animes for the family!
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>>78047856
>Stuff I don't wanna see? I guess the weird shit
What the fuck is wrong with you?
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post more hereric girls, you fags
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>now
Twelve Years a Slowpoke.
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