Now that western animation is starting to borrow more and more from anime, what stuff from anime would love to see more of in cartoons?
What stuff from anime would you hate to see in western animation?
Honestly just higher quality and more fight scenes.
Although it happens more in webcomics than animation it really pisses me off whenever they use Anime high school tropes for something that doesn't take place in Japan. The school uniforms, over the top tsunderes all that shit doesn't actually happen in Western high schools. I mean sure a lot of western high school tropes are ridiculous and don't make sense but at least they were grounded in reality at some point. Shitty anime tropes that artists use in their story because they were inspired by anime never actually happened in high school and they would know that if they didn't spend high school with no friends reading manga.
I want a western YGO or just mon shows in general
also seconding >>78017064 and >>78016478
I'd like to see more attempts at serious storytelling
I would not like to see 20 minutes worth of story stretched into 20 episodes, or "comedy" that consists of stock face faults.
even though theyre rare, its certainly much more common in anime than in western animation.
I guessing its just that nips dont see cartoons as just a "kids" thing. And as much as you can hate millennials, at least theyre bringing the idea of "cartoons being taken seriously" into western media.
>I guessing its just that nips dont see cartoons as just a "kids" thing.
They do. They just are a lot more willing to experiment in genres because they produce more shows by several orders of magnitude.
I wish that were true. From where I'm standing there is some influence here and there but nothing that is even close to what various genres anime tries to appeal to every season. I would say you don't even know what you are talking about.
Shitty stilted animation
Bad motion timing so everything looks like it's either it's swimming through mud or experiencing a mechanical failure
Recycled character design
Lack of facial features or character-specific facial expressions
Limiting creativity by using the same five or six stock expressions
Incessant talking and repetition in the style of "What?! Eh?! We were all having a good time and then this guy has the nerve to say something like that! What a rude person to behave in that way!"
Western Cartoons need more best girls like Kneesocks.
Western monster women usually have more interesting designs than the Japanese style of give a girl horns and a tail, so while I do want more, I don't want them in the Japanese style.
Japan sees cartoons the way France does. Cartoons for kids are for kids and cartoons for older audiences are for older audiences. Do you really think stuff like GitS is marketed at ten-year-olds?
They just also think that being obsessed with these things is bad, no matter your age.
It's their thing anon.
Beauty matters to them to the point they don't even like to put scars on their warrior women. It would defeat the purpose of monster women if they were as disgustingly ugly as their monster men.
It's a staple by now.
Still there are those that at least make the effort to actually make them look like more than just a woman with some animal features like ears and tails.
>implying western monster women are disgustingly ugly
Our female aliens/monsters are generally some variation of 'girls with different coloured skin' and 'girls with tendrils for hair'. Sometimes both.
Hey now, I like any monster/alien woman worth her salt, east or west, all I was comparing them to was the male counterpart, which is pretty much always where all the ugliness goes.
Characters can be sexy without huge tits and ass. Diablo for example. He is hot. Just look at this butt.
It'd be nice to have some serious shows once in a while. I'm not talking hardcore edge. I mean more philosophical, political, artistic. Any of those combined with gallows humour would be cool
I think japanese monster women have more interesting designs.
They do have a tendency to have a human-like face
They're actually fairly similar and the claim of "girl wearing costume" can be said of demona from every part of the waist up. Really, the only things that make her "beast girl" in design is everything from the knees down.
People tend to overlook this, but most anime has really good music. Something Western Animation utterly lacks when it comes to anything that isn't a singalong.
Don't even get me started on the Gundam Franchise.
Scratch Disney, this is the only track I'll remember till death.
Don't worry /m/-fags, I think Turn A's OST is the best of them all.
Actually it is the other way around. Dragonewt hands are like an animal claw like birds, she have patches of scales and anatomical connections and the bone structure of the wing actually looks biological.
The other one is just a girl in costume, human hands and painted skin, and the bone structure of the wings looks more like a plastic structure that serves just to support a cape to make it looks like a wing. The only things that saves that design are the feet.
Here is a better view of the wings.
These wings alone makes her design far superior to the purple girl in rubber costume.
Yeah, the few cartoons I remember got good music were justice league and Invader Zim, both by kevin mantey. Animes on the other hand there are a lot of them with good music and everything Yoko Kanno makes. Understandable as they actually plan to sell the music later unlike in most cartoons.
>Something Western Animation utterly lacks when it comes to anything that isn't a singalong.
That comes from the stigma that cartoons are for children and children's music is all sing-a-long bullshit.
The dragonewt is an anatomical blend of human and animal parts. Demona is a blend of human and halloween costume. Seriously, the bone structure on that wing only serves to keep the wing open while she is standing up, it is just a halloween costume wing. The dragonewt wing seems to be derived from the anatomy of an arm and hand not to say about the hands that looks like bird feets or the scales distributed around the body protecting the arms, and spine
I just want the west to be as interested in funding animation studios as the east. The industry would thrive and quality would increase over time.
Unfortunately, Disney dominates the medium not only as a company but an audience favorite. Try to talk to any stuffy adult about cartoons and he won't know a thing, but mention the latest Disney film and he'll gush because, "Disney is for everyone and not just babbies and manchildren."
I would definnitely like more shows targetted to teens, but not in the way where there's preachy Degrassi messages at the end of each episode. That's something that teens and especially younger kids would like more
I'd like more atmosphere or ambience, kinda like what Revolutionary Girl Utena's atmosphere is
Also I'd want more western cartoons to borrow the pacing of dialogue from anime, as well as an actual coherent plot like >>78015781 said
I still say that cartoons have more crappy ones. "Let's paint her skin and put wings. Don't bother checking how animal wings actually are like, just put something wing like there, the kids won't know better anyway."
it's one thing for a cartoon have a consistent quality all the way through but if you can make the climax of a cartoon look like jesus came to life and animated that shit himself, you've got yourself some grade A Apple Pie and Mac n Cheese topped off with Shredded Cheddar Jack and Mozzarella
I think of all the dirty things I'd like to do to her and her sister, and then I feel ashamed that a person would want to do any of it to another living being.
But then I remember that she's just a cartoon and I feel better.
I like how they portray food and eating, often makes me hungry.
Most /co/ food isn't as appetizing, save in Asterix.
I can do without the very stereotypical side characters shounens have. Also jap humour only works because we're aware that japs are weirdos, it doesn't translate well to characters created in the west.
More of this, dramatic momentary change of art quality to depict moments of high drama.
Granted I think western animation did it first for laughs with Ren and Stimpy, but we have fallen out of practice.
Thinking about it they are either painted women with some extra appendage, furries or a monster that happens to be female. I don't know about other people's definition of "monstergirl" but to me monstergirls have to be half human to separate them from female monsters.
/co/ would fuck them all anyway.
France here, you're full of shit.
Cartoons are seen as childish here, which is why adult cartoons, while extant, aren't really successful.
Certainly nothing comparable to the US, which have immensely successful adult cartoon shows.
You mean in Morrigan? Those are not functional, she is a Succubus, and even in those they cared enough to give it a wing like bone structure.
There were TV programs starting as early as the 70s that featured a disproportionate amount of anime and even some sentai.
I was born in 1985 and I'm not even the 1st french generation to grow up with anime all around.
For some reason Americans caught the manga bug only later.
For Jojo's particular case it might be relevant that Hokuto no Ken was shown in TV programs targeting kids in the 80s.
I don't think I can point out a single individual thing I want western animation to copy from anime or vice versa. This idea of an anime "style" is very reductive, and when westerners try to copy it this always results in some cookie cutter big-eyed moeshit with HEADS THAT BECOME HUGE WHEN SOMEONE IS SCREAMING!!!
I think the biggest difference between anime and western animation isn't style (both are extremely varied in this regard), storytelling or what not. As far as I can tell, the difference is generally effort. In the Nihons, shounen and seinen anime (and their feminine counterparts) are aimed at teenagers and young adults respectively. In the West, 9/10 times anime is advertised to children and the rare few that aren't are usually animated sitcoms like the Simpsons. This isn't horrible per se, Disney for example advertises its products towards children but sometimes makes an animated film even adults can enjoy. The problem is that many western animators think that because something is for children, it's excusable to halfass it.
Of course Japan has its own problems, for example very few anime can survive without copious fanservice, but I think that overall the state of Japanese animation is a lot better than that of Western animation.
tl;dr: Western animation doesn't need to copy/borrow, it needs to learn. If animation can get out of the age ghetto and animating becomes something that's considered worth the effort, western animation might improve without needing to borrow any Oriental elements.
Can you confirm something for me, please? Is it true that the French consider cartoons to be childish, but comics to be relatively normal?
Yeah, they are more like a shapeshifting weapon... What actually makes the design pretty innovative and original now that you mention it. I can't remember anything like that before!
Solid explanation, thanks frenchbro.
Now help me figure out why he's so perfect
That particular wing is meant to imitate pterodactyl wing anatomy. Gargoyles run the full spectrum of wing skeletons, from Goliath's more batlike arrangement to Lexington's weird ass flying squirrel thing. Gargoyles are also gliders, for the same reason the monstergirl dragonewt is.
The fuck are you talking about? The chick from Monmusu looks less like a monsters and more of the typical animu bitch with a ton of shit on her to make it an excuse. Nothing except the wings and claws make it monster-like. At least the gargoyle chick has inhuman skin color, monster feet and fucking wings, man.
They're both hot, though.
Pretty much on the comics/cartoons french POV.
Comics are seen as a bit nerdy if youre super into them but not as much as in the US, and generally not childish. Basically most adults who own books own a handful of comics.
Also, gargoyles using their wings like cloaks while at rest is boss, I don't care how anatomically implausible it is
What makes a cartoon a kids' cartoon is not just the absence of boobs or the presence of blood.
For instance the Animals of Farthing Woods features the death of characters on screen and is completely void of comedy, but nobody would mistake it for a cartoon aimed at adults because the story and how it's told are typical of kids cartoons.
>It would defeat the purpose of monster women if they were as disgustingly ugly as their monster men.
But what if I want spider faced spider girls. I mean, hell, at least give her some spider fangs, and maybe slightly hairy skin if she's a tarantula girl.
>at least give her some spider fangs
Yes, that's coffee
Status quo works fine for some shows. You can't expect EVERY show to be deep or entirely story driven, anon. Sometimes weird and/or dumb fun is fine to have around so long as it's good. I'm not a fan of cliches or the status quo, but if the show is better with it than without it, I have no problem with that. I mean, would something like Courage, Johnny Bravo, or even Dexter's Lab if it was constricted and forced to follow a story that was probably shit? Sometimes doing shit without an overarching plot or a main story is the way to go.
Pterodactyl wings have bone structure supporting the wing. That one have none. Also notice how there is no protopagium? That is not a wing, that's a curtain.
>Nothing except the wings and claws make it monster-like.
9000 times better wings
Claws while the cartoon have human like hands
>Muh painted skin!!!
Dragonewt had fucking scales!
Considering other lineages she probably have monster feet too
Curtains, Dragonewt have wings yours are just curtains.
I don't want it for sexual reasons. Ecchi and fanservice is stupid. I want actually interestingly designed monsters who are also girls. Sorry I brought such offense to your Halloween costume anime chicks
You mean an accurate spider mouth that dissolves rather than chews?
Her pepidalps are located near her crotch, make of that what you will
Pterodactyl wings have a single "finger" of bones supporting it along the edge, the rest form a hand at the wrist joint, much like in the pic of Angela posted.
>I don't want it for sexual reasons
Well then what's the point?
Then why does the gender matter? Is there something special about female monster anatomy that you can't imitate in male? Something that somehow isn't sexual?
Nips are good at animation because that's all they got that's some what respectable
>Is the author aware that spiders are hyper-sensitive to caffeine and various other substances?
She does have fangs but it is more apparent on the hentai version he did before doing the manga. In the porn version she is able to bite and suck blood like a vampire.
Nothing gets me diamonds faster than honorable villains and villains and heroes with mutual respect for each other
The gargoyle pic had no membrane ahead of the arm unlike serious pterodactyl illustrations. But by checking seems like there is still a huge debate over the details on how their wings actually were. I still think her wing would look more like a wing by having the arm portion longer and more horizontal instead of shorter and up.
>Just as the hero turns the tables against the villain(s), the theme song blares triumphantly
So fucking hype and so few shows in the west do this. Power Rangers has a better track record than most cartoons, for fuck's sake.
>Someone doesn't like anime
>Time to shitpost
The fact that 4chan has shit taste doesn't make anime any less bad.
It just means there are thousands (or millions) of idiots here that will defend it.
Much like there are thousands (or millions) of idiots that will defend ISIS ideology. People are just dumb sometimes.
>but nobody would mistake it for a cartoon aimed at adults
Yes they would.
Whenever an American kids' cartoon has the slightest bit of emotional depth, innuendo, or says words like "pissed", the internet explodes with "This isn't REALLY a kids' show".
They're just being wilfully obtuse. American kids cartoons have had those in spades.
It's not because some retard on the internet says something that it makes it true. Yes I understand the irony.
Besides I've even argued on this board with people who think there's no such thing as an adult American cartoon show. Retards have retarded opinions.
Gargoyle wing anatomy details varied by individual. The general anatomical variance was meant to be a nod to how irl gargoyles come in a wide variety of types.
Their wings never had the extra membranes because it wouldn't work for what they had them do in the animation (i.e. appendage articulation, "wing cloaks" like in >>78023411, etc.). It served them to have a flexible design because they were more about form and style over function and realism. Western animation in general has always tended to put more emphasis in distinct silhouettes over rigid anatomy. The creator himself went into ridiculous detail about their biology/anatomy during interviews, panels and such, so there certainly is no lack of care during the designing process.
The gargoyle and the dragonewt are more or less the same core design, one just favors realism and sexiness while the other favors simplism and style. One is not lesser or greater than the other for having different priorities. Thinking so is just a matter of opinion.
Though mine is that the dragonewt is weeaboo shit
But that anon is right you filthy namefag
> Pseudo-intellectual garbage
> Ghost in the Shell
I'm all with you on that point, but GitS is one of the few actually intellectual animes out there
I prefer my demons to be brutish instead of classy.
> Pseudo-intellectual garbage like Lain, Texhnolyze or Ghost in the Shell.
I think he meant actual, independently articulate spider fangs, not enlarged canines
probably some shonen type shit.
we need action cartoons dammit.
Actually, I do recall an artist with a bunch of sexualized pics of her male naga OC
Stop relying on callbakcs to other animes and just emulate the animation style.
Stop relying on having scenes comprised of characters in 3/4 stance talking to each other.
Stop using 3/4 stance so much.
give characters theme music
better character designs.
Stop fucking using cal arts style.
except on rare cartoons where comedy is the focus of the show, it doesn't get in the way of the plot like fanservice does. Let me put it this way: there is spongebob, and there is Justice league. Translating to anime, it's like 90% of the shows are spongebob tier.
Punches/Blows with Weight and Impact that have a satisfying "crunch" factor.
We got animations where the characters throw really good punches but the most we see as a reaction is someone falling down. At most we see is someone just turn their head and fall down. Usually its the villain that get's these hits so a good solid crunchy punch reaction will make the blow so much satisfying.
>Liking demons at all.
How can you all have such wretched taste? We all know Panty is the best girl in the show.
wait a fucking moment, this board was full of weebs haters, and pretentious hipstersfags who used to despreciate flashy animation and stereotypical anime fights.
What the hell happened?
Justice League punches sounded great but I was talking more about how we don't see much reaction from the recipient outside a pain reaction and falling down.
For the most part this is a good fight, very enjoyable to watch. My issue is that its not the actual punches them selves that look strong as the real moment of impact is when the person hits a wall (which does look painful). It looks as if the person is getting hurt more from the wall than the actual blow itself as opposed to someone getting hit so hard that they need a wall to break their fall.
Other small nitpick is that every single hit sends someone flying. There's no quick hits mixed in to make the big hits seem bigger. Of course we are talking about super heroes who are defying the laws of gravity so this could just be me "not getting it"
only if by 'more reaction' you mean the guy gets defeated in one punch or something. That happens too often in anime. If you have longer battles it will be more difficult to put anything more than just 'pain'.
>Japan is inferior in that area.
yes, but they produce so many goddamn shows every year they end up with far more "justice leagues" then we do, and by the nature of probability they also have more good "justice league" shows than we do.
>Too much attention given to gigantic boobs
>absolutely no ass
Come on japan
By "more reaction" its how pain is sold, in the screenshots you see The body/face folded and the look of pain on the person's face. As opposed to most western fights where its someone falling down
We need the animation to be actually done in the studio, by the artists who care about what they're drawing, not outsourced to Korea
inb4 "all animation is done in Korea"
no it isn't, you retards
>having to limit me to the last 5 years despite animation in the west and Japan has spanned for decades
I'll admit Japan has been lagging like shit for the last few years. I honestly hope that gives western media the chance to catch up, which honestly doesn't seem all that likely. The things we had, like Motorcity and Tron Uprising, although good, still flopped. The sign that Samurai Jack is coming back is a good sign, but unless it takes off, we're basically fucked when it comes to action cartoons from BOTH hemispheres, which is really bad.
the only reason he doesn't use guns is because they killed his parents, not because of destructive power. It's not like he has something strongly against them anyway. He did use guns sometimes; it's just not his main thing.
So funny how people make a big deal out of Korra and SU having chick couples. Japan has been doing that shit for the past 20+ years like it's nothing. Don't even get me started on CLAMP
the last punch causing the effect.
the only anime i know that used this kind of thing during the fights was dbz and it gets weird as shit. As i final thing, like we have in powerpuff girls, i understand, but i don't think it's so much essential.
I'd like it if they borrowed more from Tokusatsu, which could be considered "live action anime." Over-the-top shows in western animation often feel like they wink to the audience and try to make a statement about just how over-the-top it is. Just rolling with it and being explosively over-the-top would be fun.
You said "defeated in one punch or something"
If there were other hits involved then the fight then the person was not defeated in one punch. They were defeated by a punch but not in one punch.
Most times it is in one punch, this you cannot deny. Anyway, the point is that there is no such effect in each punch because it's not a necessary effect. I don't see how just putting it in the end will make any difference at all and sincerely, i can see in dbz how putting it in the middle of the fight gets weird as fuck.
I never said you have shit taste, but yes. You have obviously never actually watched nor can you identify anything that was or is not flavor of the month. Perhaps I shouldn't have been as rude, but it seems pretty clear to me you don't know shit.
>I have never watched any anime whatsoever -besides- waifu shit
Fanservice? You miss the point.
I never even said anything about plot you nitwit. Stick it up your ass.
Yeah, you haven't branched out enough.
>by the way that animation is terrible.
Oh yeah. Still wrong though.
Ah well, if you don't like Birth that's fine.
It looks literally like jap girls with skin grafts- It's retarded. Monster girls are entirely aesthetic, to the point their sexual aspects are 100% human.
There's no real "monster" in there.
RSF's battle scene is great but frankly I think more of the rest of the movie should be shown off.
Most anime are basically commercials of existing manga/novel/videogame. They made decent profits just in merchandise.
western cartoon are "babysitters" with ugly designs and annoying culture pop jokes.
Alright, friend way to miss the entire point I was making.
Let me summarize it so your retarded ass-brain can understand it.
Even shitty TV ANIME have better punches and fight sequences than the best of western cartoons.
Did your subhuman brain catch that now?
I wish /a/ was banned from /co/ the same way /co/ is banned from /a/
Equal but separate.
Frankly I can't believe anyone watches that anime shit, but if anyone would it's pathetic NEET losers who live with their moms at 35 and have never talked to a girl
1. that justice league is not a tv series
2. that it has the best fighting sequences of all western animation (something i didn't claim)
3. that we are talking about fighting sequences, when we were only talking about single punches/impact
4. that OPM has better fighting sequences than justice league when OPM is literally one punch
5. that OPM is not spongebob logic anime type and fights aren't just a big joke.
What we need is more cartoon adaptations of comics. Imagine a full hellboy animated series with kickass soundtrack. How about a faithful adaptation of preacher or sandman. There are tons of comics that would make great cartoons but we get watered down live action instead. Why are comics and cartoons together anyways?
Oh god one of my favorite scenes
His and her circumstances
The series gainax did after Eva
You can see a little kill la kill with that fall scene
Nah. Those wings wouldn't be able to lift anything. It's all flying magic bro.
You bet your ass it is.
Unfortunately, that isn't the appeal for networks like Cartoonnetwork, Nick, and Disney; they probably want to target their shows for kids. And the episodic format work well because they don't have to worry about continuity and all.
The few shows that did had a chance i.e., Young Justice, Beware The Batman didn't fare well because CN want shows similar to Adventure Time and Teen Titans Go! Or, so the rumour goes.
Since Netflix and Crunchyroll want to make anime of their own, then you're best luck is putting your faith there.
>what stuff from anime would love to see more of in cartoons?
Diversity: slice of life, magical girl, fantasy, etc cetera.
What I'd like to see and I'll use Cartoonnetwork as an example is a teenage oriented block, not like Toonami where anime is aired every Saturday.
A daily block that air around the afternoon when teenagers arrive home from school and they can watch stuff that appeal to them.
If we're talking plain quality, the ratio is about the same. Most cartoons aren't worth watching, most anime aren't worth watching.
IMO, though, more anime have cohesive, properly-structured stories than cartoons. The truly excellent ones tend to stand out in particular compared to what we'd consider the cream of the crop of western TV cartoons. TLA was good and all, but it doesn't really have anything on GitS or Bebop, or even not quite so amazing stuff like Uchouten Kazoku.
This is nothing inherently wrong with cartoons or western animation, it just has to do with what execs believe is acceptable.
In fact, dynamism and impact is probably the one area where the Japs are almost always technically superior. Dudes know how to convey kineticism.
That example is terrible in comparison to your dime a dozen animu fight.
Nothing wrong with fanservice anon
Slice of life-esque shows, like no weird animal/monster/alien humanoid beings or magic/sci-fi fantasy, just humans in a normal environment. Though I don't mean it always has to be CGDCT but I'm fine with it.
Oh. Well, okay.
Morrigan Aensland, Scanty Demon, and Kurumu Korono: the Holy Trinity of sexy demon babes.
Remember when people went to go and see Grown Ups 2 over Pacific Rim?
Remember when Titanfall came out and they outright refused to call the titans mechs?
Remember how Megas XLR got canceled because no one watched it?
Face it, there is something about giant robots fighting whatever that just doesn't appeal to the west.
You quoted the essentials of my post, so I'm pretty sure you understood it.
There's a shitload of those in anime. The only one I can think of in western animation like that would be The Maxx and it was based on a comic book in the first place.
They just haven't been exposed to the good stuff.
Mechs are just all the more niche in the west.
I want more creative use of super powers. Specially in animation.
I do not want action scenes to stop dead in their tracks to explain the super powers.
Oh also more focus on the soundtrack. Like the director could actually pick someone who they know could fit the show, then give instructions what kind of music they need for each character and scene. Cartoon BGM tends to be really generic and forgettable but the right usage of music can give a scene a completely different impact.
You guys realize that fanservice is a consequence of producers seeing animation as something more than mindless entertainment for kids and not as an anime influence right?
Can't be compared, fanservice with no other point than making you feel aroused is literally just "well some neckbeard probably faps to it and makes them buy more discs, let's put this there". Sex sells, in animation as well.
>Animation quality with no other point than making you feel impressed is literally just "well some animation enthusiast probably faps to it and makes them buy more discs, let's put this there". Quality sells, in animation as well.
Let's just make everything a slideshow then. Wouldn't want to accidentally make something that people might enjoy.
>Japanese guy who rejects reality and decides to move in a fantasy world.
So furries are the western equivalent to that?
Hey, no need to get so defensive, I'm not judging you for liking it. I'm just saying that when there's tits or ass on the screen, it's usually meant to distract you to buy something.
The only name I can remember to do that on series is Kevin Manthei. Disney/Pixar movies have great soundtracks but series usually are half assed. This is definitelly something that they should do... again will only happen when they stop seeing animation as just some shit for little kids.
Gainax makes a romatic comedy.
The voice actor for Misato was reading this during the intervals and laughing so they decided to animate this too.
>some ching chong nip nong shit.
Stronger characterization and serialization are things anime does well and that I do want to see more from western cartoons, plus more of a focus on older teen to adult audiences. Western cartoons are getting better, there's a growing number of shows aimed at older audiences, and that's good, animation doesn't have to be the commercials from the 80s and 90s.
Stuff I don't wanna see? I guess the weird shit and fanservice for the sake of fanservice. Japan's got some weird shit, weirder than colored horses and gay space rocks.
but /co/ is the best anime imageboard on 4chan
>Stuff I don't wanna see? I guess the weird shit
What the fuck is wrong with you?