Trailer for the new Croods show on Netflix is up https://ww

I may have to check that out. :thumbup:

>>78014361
Lol... granny taking it too far at 1 minute mark.

Oh wow, a show nobody wanted based on a movie no one gave a shit about

I liked this better when it was The Flintstones

>>78014658
Made over half a billion dollars

>Prehistoric man
>Living long enough to turn senile

Okay.

>>78014361
well it looks better than the movie

>>78015011
people who insist they know the details of something nobody knows and nobody CAN know make it really hard to enjoy anything like this

>>78014861
That doesn't mean people care about it.

>>78014361
You have to try, you have to TRY to make character designs this boring and uninspired.

Peabody and Turbo are miles ahead of this. Hell, Neighbors from Hell was miles ahead of this.

Looks very Ren and Stimpy-ish

Of all the Dreamworks properties...

This?

>>78015872
One of the few new IPs that's actually made money for Dreamworks the last few years. The Chinese fucking loved this shit so much the government had to pull it from theaters early because it was crushing everything else so hard.

>>78014861
Avatar made over a billion and no one cares about it.

>Netflix is the future of cartoons guys!
>the animation looks like usual generic shit
At least that granny joke was good but only because of the lack luster jokes before it

>>78014361
looks like shit

i know netflix is trying to add a lot of original content to compete with television, but they're ruining their brand if they keep pumping out shit like this

>>78015872
Money aside...I would've preferred Father Of The Pride to get an animated series.

>>78014658
I liked the movie. It made me cry a shitload cause I have an extremely overprotective father.

Was tracked during most of school to make sure I didn't get kidnapped or ran off or went with friends without permission. And when I did want to go out with friends they found it to be outside of my character and thought I might be trying to do something unsafe behind their backs.

He cared about me and didn't want me not to get hurt. But I was never really living, I was just not dying.

My life still sucks. Not much has changed even as an adult.

haha. That kid yelped even though his dad JUST told him it was a sneak attack.

>>78016347
Huh, well, it was only two weeks but that is weird thing to get a following there.

>>78015872
Netflix ordered a shit-ton of content from Dreamworks, so they gotta fill that order as much as possible.

>>78014361
>Dreamworks

Even if it isn't good, we should watch it. A semi-successful 2D show might be the first step in moving DW away from "FUNNY SNARKY ANIMALS WITH TOP 40 POP SONGS MAKING THIS FACE >;] ".

>>78017014
It's a worthwhile project.
It did okay here, but so well overseas that it's their second most profitable movie after Kung Fu Panda.

>>78017060
So watch Peabody and Turbo: FAST. Peabody has a lot of love put into it for such a low budget, and Turbo is done by Based Titmouse.

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>>78014361
I worked on the show while it was in Canadian production for a few months, I'm really disappointed in it. We only did three episodes before the rest of the show was shipped off to Korea. Also about that time they replaced the current director with Chuck Austen. He had us go back and lobotomize already finished animation, the show was going for a quick snappy style but he had us remove smears because he literally didn't understand them.

From what I heard the episodes sent to Korea were being cut down to about 12 minutes long, which is fine because they were originally were about 22 minutes long and really dragged on. I'm curious if they actually did shorten them or not because either way our episodes were 22 minutes.


>>78015295
Turbo is done in Flash, Peabody and Neighbors from Hell are Toonboom. While we were working on Croods it was being done in Toonboom. These shows all use rigs that help keep costs low and characters on model, even if you can't draw for shit. The Korean animation is hand drawn, and that's where you get the really wonky off model drawings of Eep with the thin line weights.

>>78017619
I'm really sorry, Anon. Your stuff looks like it's got a good grasp on the fundamentals.

Seeing those bottom two comparisons especially upsets me. There's such a good line of action in the left one while the right looks like a bad coloring book.

>>78017619

Vancouver or Toronto?

>>78017881
Vancouver.

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>>78017619
>but he had us remove smears because he literally didn't understand them
Seriously?

>>78017941

Bardel?

Just shut up and post the girl's feet already.

>>78017619
Jesus fuck, the right shots look so bad.

I wish it were popular to make 2D shows out of 3D movies when Kung Fu Panda got a show.

We were denied a series fully in the style of KFP's animated sequences and I will be forever sad about that.

>>78018049
Both are shit, don't suck a Canadian animator's dick of all animators.

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>>78018094
Well, there's still two slots left.

>>78017949
I shit you not. This is the same Chuck Austen that wrote a bad X-men comic arc or something.

>>78017971
Yeah, Bardel had Croods before they lost it.

The Canadian scenes look like actual animation created by a person.
The Korean scenes remind me of early- to mid-2000s Klasky-Csupo for some reason. Stiff and viscous, without any actual flow between elements.

Like, take 0:44 through 0:46 for example. The motion goes from getting his head bitten to trying to take it off. A logical course of action? Sure. But it feels off. It's like the Korean animators had to meet a time limit and cut out any sort of reaction in-between being eaten and trying to escape.

But that's just me.

>>78014361
On the bright side, that's pretty decent animation. Still, DreamWorks needs to stop milking their IPs.

>or poison
Did they just kill off a kid?

>>78018140
What properties are even left?
Over the Hedge?
Shrek?

>>78018172
They mentioned they wanted to do a Voltron reboot.

>>78014658
the Croods was fucking great

>>78018143
And the same Chuck Austen who supervises Steven Universe.

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>>78016854
But it was already one.

You mean a 2D one?

>>78018172
A Megamind series would be fucking awesome.

>>78014547
>:thumbup:
Fuck you nigger.

>>78018159
>It's like the Korean animators had to meet a time limit
I know one Asian country has its animators paid per frame, but I'm not sure it's Korea.

>>78018181
Fuck, another one?

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What is up with shows switching studios after 3 or 4 episodes? I understand there were cartoons like Tiny Toons where it was made by different studios but at least you can expect a style change whereas with the Croods, you get used to one style only to be confronted with a new one at the worst time. Same shit happened with Star Vs Forces of Evil.

>>78017619
The only real difference I can see is that Korean side uses thinner lines and they draw the cavegirl's hair different.

>>78018479
Simon strikes again

>>78018262
Possibly. It's only mentioned in passing in a quarterly earnings report.
They really want to do more with their classic library and Netflix seems like a pretty safe avenue.
http://classics.dreamworksanimation.com/

>>78018230

And the same Chuck Austen who created Tripping the Rift

Fuck you negroes, I like it

>>78015011
Most people died at young age, child mortality was pretty high but this doesn't means that there were no old people.

There were old people, even old people who needed the food to be chewed for them. They just weren't as common as today in the developed world.

>>78017619

Sorry to read about your disappointment. Hopefully answering this won't get you into trouble, but why was Chuck Austen brought in as director? Isn't he a writer? Just seems like a very curious thing to me.

Can't wait for more porn of Sandy

>>78015295
King Julien is pretty good too. It may be CGI, but at least it's actually good CGI for a TV series.

>>78018479
Finally.

Now we need art of the mother and daughter.

>>78018106
At least the left are passable. The right are DeviantArt-tier.

That Eep sure has a fine head of bacon.

>>78014361
it feels like half the sound effects for this weren't even finished

>>78014658
No one in the US gave a shit about, because that's the only market that matters right?
Internationally people loved it, that's why it's getting a sequel.

>>78015124
Do you mean visually or otherwise? Because either way you're dead fucking wrong.

>>78017060
Literally none of Dreamworks recent movies besides Turbo has been "Le meme animals ;^)"

>>78018233
But after one of the real life tigers mauled Siegfried or Roy they had to cancel it.

>>78018230
But Steven Universe uses smears occasionally? And he apparently doesn't work on the show anymore according to Wikipedia

>>78014361

So the best friend is a prehistoric Wacky Jackie?

>>78017619
Frankly, both look like lifeless derivative trash.
Croods had some of that Sanders style, neither here has it. Especially visible in the black haired girl, she looks like she walked off from the Camp Weedontwantcha comic, while the redhead seems awkwardly forced into the generic thick line cartoon style.

>>78014658
The Croods was a movie I thought was just stupid when I first heard about it, but when I watched it, I really enjoyed it. It was different, and it had heart to it. I'd say it's a better movie than Little Foot and his caveboy dog movie that just came out.

>>78018479
I expected this when I opened this thread.

>>78014658
At least the show isn't CGI, so shut your fuck cunt mouth, you fucking cunt!

>>78021813

>because that's the only market that matters right?

Yes, you are absolutely right. The opinions of Eurokeks and third world shitters do not matter.

>>78018249
They will probably make an incredibles show first.
Then a crossover.
And if the crossover is a success we get a megamind show
and both shows will play out like arrow/flash
Also syndrome will have a boner for megaminds inventions, and that is why he has styled his hair so big, to mimic megaminds appearance.
bonus episode where minion argues with Edna about axes, and it ends with a superhero/villain fashion show

>>78022028
I wont stand such horrid language! Not at all! You apologize this instant.

>>78022098
Fast and Furious 7 made only 350 millions in USA, not much considering that they spent around 190 millions on it. So why are they making a Fast and Furious 8? Because Fast 7 made 1 billion and half world wide. A bunch of stuff produced by USA that nobody sees in USA actually is produced to sell on other markets.

>>78022392
You're not my real mom!

>>78022243
Dreamworks and Pixar crossover? Why don't you put something from Blue Sky on the mix too?

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>>78022830

>>78017619
>Turbo is done in Flash, Peabody and Neighbors from Hell are Toonboom. While we were working on Croods it was being done in Toonboom. These shows all use rigs that help keep costs low and characters on model, even if you can't draw for shit. The Korean animation is hand drawn, and that's where you get the really wonky off model drawings of Eep with the thin line weights.

I'd rather have a hand-drawn animation than a Flash (or Toonboom, or whatever) one. IT makes the animation feel more lively and less clunky. It makes even worse that one of your arguments defending Toonboom is that it can be used even by people that can't draw for shit.

>>78022834
Ok sorry.
monsters vs aliens x megamind cossover:electric boogaloo alternate universe High school all grown upp!

>>78017619

Jesus fucking christ.

>>78018230
SU does use smears though

>>78018230
Supervised. He was only around for 14 episodes 2013-2014.

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>>78017619

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>>78017619
>Flash puppeteer dissing hand-drawn animation

I can totally see that the Korean character design sucks, but you gotta admit, it's pretty funny that a Flash animator is dissing hand-drawn animation.

Remember when Mir put detail into their work? Well... they were reports of Bryke telling Mir to cut out the flat Tumblr BS on Korra so yea.

If case you don't remember, Mir signed up for a Dreamworks deal and this is what came out of it.

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/business/south-koreas-studio-mir-signs-co-production-deal-with-dreamworks-103158.html
>>78016390
They cared when it was Nick's only action show and before Bryke made Korra.
>>78016605
Mir is still better then Magic Bus & Actas who were the ones who did most of the work on Pierrot's episodes on Korra.

>>78021918
At least it's Mir.

>>78023068
Flash is not inherently inferior, and can be done better when the animators are more skilled.

And going by the clip, the "hand-drawn" animation isn't very good.

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>>78022028
>CGI is bad

>>78018140
>Project MC2
>teen sitcom for girls in Disney Channel/Nick level
Seriously, Netflix?

>>78016895
> My life still sucks. Not much has
>changed even as an adult.

And here you are on 4chan. Lol

funnier than the fucking Simpson. That show should have been put to pasture 20 yrs ago. :-(

Smelly black haired cavegirl is cute. Would draw.

>>78017619
I'm just curious, why haven't Canadian animation studios ever attempted to try out traditional animation on TV?

>>78025090

What an odd question. I'm pretty sure Canada has done more domestic traditional animation for TV than the US has since the 90s.

>>78025090
They used to, but stopped because it's more expensive, and they're producing these shows to fill some legal quota rather than for quality.

>>78025512
Have they no shame?

>>78025566
They're not paid to have shame.

>>78014361
OH LOOK MORE LESBIANS IN CARTOONS

YAY

>>78025588
Well, do you appreciate traditional animation?
Like, I'm not trying to be festicious here there are some good niche uses for Toonboom tweening in depending on the style.

>>78025512
>>78025566

That legal quota keeps animation studios and and jobs inside Canada, at least. Don't you see the irony of discussing what Canadian and Korean studios ought to be doing for a supposedly "American" show?

>>78025648
I don't think it's inherently superior. Motorcity and Turbo Fast are both Flash, and Wander Over Yonder and Star Vs. are both Toon Boom, and those four shows are some of the most well-animated TVs shows there's been since the early '90s.

>>78025715
So, what you're saying it that tweening animation is superior then. :T

>>78025766
No, I'm saying skilled animators are superior.

The people at Titmouse and Mercury do better work than both most traditional and most other Flash animation.

>>78018143
>Chuck Austen that wrote a bad X-men comic arc or something.

Ha. I'll have to tell you about Chuck Austen's 'War Machine' some day.

>>78021828
That's not true, they said to keep the show going.
It's that it was absurdly expensive to make for how low the ratings it brought in that ended it.

>>78025794
> Titmouse and Mercury do better work than both most traditional and most other Flash animation

W-what are you trying to say? Are you saying that Gravity Falls animation is shit, Steven Universe's animation is shit I don't get what you're saying.

>>78025794

Motorcity borrows just a tad too much from anime timing and composition for Titmouse to receive full credit.

>>78025901
I'm not saying they're shit. Just less good than those four I mentioned.

At least Eep looks cute now

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>>78025953
Though apparently it's because of Motorcity Dreamworks went to Titmouse for Turbo.

>>78025976
How?

I understand that everyone has different opinions, but how is it less good than those 2 aforementioned on my previous post?

>>78026055
Have you watched those shows? They have an excellent grasp on animation principles, and the movement is much more lively and believable.

>>78022857
>>78023068
I'm not dissing hand drawn animation, I'm dissing the Korean animation. I'd prefer hand drawn above all else but lets face it, there aren't a lot of people out there willing to pay for that anymore. Its much more cost effective to tween the shit out of something than it is to put together a team of people who actually know to draw.


>>78025090
Studios make what the client pays for. In this case Dreamworks wanted snappy cartoony animation with a Flash-y style, so that's what we made. The current trend that seems to be going around lately is to make a show in Toonboom to save costs, but then try to mimic hand-drawn. You get stuff like Jake and the Neverland Pirates that way. It doesn't look terrible, just leaves you wondering why they needed to complicate things instead of hand drawing it.

I was excited when I heard this announced after I saw the Croods. I loved the movie. I saw the thumbnail and went "crap". I saw the trailer and said "fuck". I have little to no hope for this project, and it seems like just a generic flintstones kids cartoon. It doesn't even look or sound nice from what I've seen, but I'll still be giving it a watch before I actually judge it. I'm going into with no expectations of quality.

Why did they do to Eep? My Waifu...

>>78026105
I'm beginning to doubt you even work for a Canadian animation studio, where's your proof?

>>78026108
You actually have a point. Even that new Lion Guard show had this hand drawn-esque style in the animation. Which is why I think Mercury Filmworks is a better canadian animation studio.

>>78026055

Not that guy, but good animation isn't just high frames. Personally that's the last thing I look at, and it's also pointless in the age of digital animation.

There needs to be good acting. The animation should accentuate the keyframes. It should convey a sense of physics and force through timing, even when heavily stylized. For example, there's a clarity and snap to the Mercury episodes of Star Vs that's missing in the later episodes. Not everyone picks up on it or care, but animators do.

The animation part of Steven Universe is often utilitarian, when they're not heavily borrowing from something else. What SU does have is great, fantastic art direction.

>>78025766
Motherfucker have you ever even watched Star Vs? The animation is ridiculously good for a cartoon on TV.

>>78023261
I think he meant the Avatar with the blue people.

>>78014361
The flash is strong in this one.

>>78017619
Boo fucking hoo you work in the animation industry you should expect shit like this by now.

>>78025999
Eep was already a qt.

And she's a thick curvy girl who can carry you around effortlessly. She's my favorite toon cavegirl.

>>78026149
I'm not the animator anon.

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>we will never have action cartoons thrive on Netflix

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>>78028061
You'll take your comedies that sometimes have fights and like them.

>>78029653
I remember the producers had plans to make a season-long arc for Puss in Boots, but later changed their minds and did comedic one-offs instead.

Also, All Hail King Julien has a LOT of recurring villains.

So, those two have flirted with being action cartoons.

>>78029845
Admittedly, it would probably be off-putting to try and do a season long arc small chunks at a time.
Now that Dreamworks is more into larger 13 episode batches, that might be revisited.

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>>78017881
>animated in Vancouver
>no Ocean VA's.

Why is this allowed.

>>78030011
I would assume it's because they are specifically trying to find matches for the movie voices.
That's why Dinotrux, a completely original IP where they don't have to do that, has Canadian voice actors all over it.
Still hoping for Scott McNeil to show up somewhere.

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>>78030106
fair enough but still.

It's crazy that in this decade Scott McNeil is under used nowadays.

>>78026108
At least in my process the cleanup and tweening are easily the most time consuming stages but the rough animation itself is rather quick. The best compromise was to use tween'd rigging over hand-drawn rough animation, that way to movement and design still feels traditional but I'm not burning hours making sure each line is in the right place on every frame.

I saw The Croods in 3D several times in the theatre. It was fucking awesome... and the colours.. wow!

>>78023068
> Le Flash is Trash Meme

There's great shows in Flash. You just don't realise it's Flash because they're actually good, or if you do you choose to ignore it.

It's like when people complain about all CGI in movies, it's only because they've noticed the bad stuff, simply because it's near impossible to notice the great stuff.