Would /co/ care if Netflix made him Asian?

I'd find it pretty racist t b h

just because hes a kung fu master he has to be asian?

There's a lot of Asia to pick from. Make him Indian, incorporate Bollywood-over-the-top theatrics into the fights.

It's racist to someone whether he's white or asian. This is one character you can't racebend for PC points.

Yeah kinda but whatever.

I wouldn't be surprised, but I'd rather he was white. Asian Iron Fist is pointless when Shang-Chi already exists.

>>78010340
they could make him hispanic.

>A Iron Fist netflix series in a post GamerGate geek fandom.

Way to find the worst possible time to debut, Danny.

Part of Danny's whole deal while in K'un-L'un is that he's an outsider who stands out from everyone else. Making him Asian and having him train in a secret city full of Asian people would diminish that effect. Yes it's the whole Mighty Whitey deal but there's really not a whole hell of a lot you can do about it.

>Of all the white characters to race-bend, people are harping on the one white character whose ethnicity actually matters.

FUCKING WHY.

>>78010513
In america hispanics count as white

>>78010614
>post-GamerGate
The fact this is a descriptor of anything makes me want to shoot myself in the face.

>>78010740
That's easy, just make K'un-L'un full of white people.

Of course. Six half retarded half trolling shit posters from /pol/ would ruin every discussion about the show.

>>78010820
Trigga, you know how you always ask if being white is important to the character? For Danny it is, so of course /co/ would be upset.

>>78010289
>>78010291
This. I'd be fine with Latino Danny, though.

No matter what, someone is going to bitch. If he's white, someone will scream "mighty whitey." If he's Asian, someone will scream "stereotyping." If he's any other race, people will scream "pandering."

>>78010957
>Latino Danny
>They cast a white guy and he says one or two spanish words

What if they made him Native American, and son of a Casino owner?

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>>78010271
Fuck it, I'll take any sort of patch at this point.
Why have you forsaken me, Marvel?

>>78010806
You can not deny that event made geek circles particularly sensitive about 'social justice' based issues. If you were right,you were pulled further right, and if you were left, further left. Which in itself is pretty problematic, because any nuance and critical thinking can go 'tits-up', and a "If you are not with me you ARE against me" mentality can spring up. I've saw it with people taking the time to actually explain the Luke/Danny dynamic and how his white privilege factors into their relationship, be shut down as "problematic racists", because they think this is the one white character where it doesn't make sense to 'race-bend'.

Another thing if you've noticed, especially on Tumblr, is if a piece of work has even a hair of anything problematic about it, then the whole piece is considered infected. They think in absolutes. And questioning is considered bad. Why would you question it yourself, unless you were of course...problematic.

Where do you think the whole
>You can either die a precious cinnamon bun, or live to become a 'problemic fav'.
comes from.

That's why there are think-pieces decrying the character, before he's even debuted.

Danny can be white, black, Asian, Latino, Native American, a woman, or all of the above and I don't care as long as the show is entertaining.

>>78011005
Only the second complaint is justified, though.

So, um is anyone going to feel sorry for the actor they eventually reveal has been cast an Danny Rand?

(rumour has it, he was cast months ago, I wonder if the actor knows of all this woohaa about the casting?)
>>78011005

>>78011087
>I've saw it with people taking the time to actually explain the Luke/Danny dynamic and how his white privilege factors into their relationship
Can someone explain this to me so I can, in turn, explain it to other people?

>>78011222
Danny is Rich, Luke is Poor.

>>78010740
They could do the diplomatic route by making him biracial (half white/half Asian) as a spoiled rich brat. Parents die, blah blah blah you know the rest. Making him biracial means he's an outsider in k'un-L'un but marvel doesn't have to worry about him being "the great white hope".

>>78011253
That's still pretty racist on thr casting side.

>He does martial arts so he should be Asian. Only Asian people can be good at martial arts, it's in their genes.

>>78011382

See, you're just backing up everyone claiming there's no right answer. Someone is going to raise some kind of stink no matter what just because of the nature of the story providing no way out that will satisfy a majority of people.

>>78011429
Or at least makes everyone equally angry.

>>78011178
/thread

>>78011429
Of course people will make a stink. But the ones who want him to be Asian would be wrong for doing so.

>>78010771
>white character whose ethnicity actually matters
Don't cut yourself on that edge, champ.

>>78011222
There's a couple of good posts in this archived thread, there were others that I found, but it got deleted why the archive when belly.

https://desustorage.org/co/thread/77751760/#q77751760

ex:
>This seems like it would be incredibly racist to me. Danny's entire story is a rejection of white privilege.
>He's raised in an ascetic lifestyle, he completely adopts the culture of K'un L'un as is his own, and when he gets back to society, he finds that he coudn't give less of a shit about the fortune he inherited. He uses it to help people. His partnership with Luke teaches him what white privilege is, and how he interacts with people.

>Turning him into an asian pretty much tosses that out the window and makes him a generic kung-fu character solely defined by his race.

A VERY important contextual factor people ALWAYS seem to miss is he was raised in K'un-Lun since he was a small child, NOT an adult.

>Isn't Danny a fucking child when he goes to Kun Lai? Stays and is raised there the majority of his life? Just because his skin is white doesn't make him any less Kun-Lai then the other children raised in it.

>I thought some interesting plot points in the show would be him being more comfortable hanging around china town because it feels more like home but not being accepted because he is white and being uncomfortable around big city life because even the tiny things he remembers from his childhood are very much different.

I would very much like to see something like that play out on screen.


(cont.)

>>78011649
Que?

>>78010271
>mystic Kung Fu
>he must be Asian

Racis. Also, there's a fuck of a lot of Asia, what Asia would he be?

>>78010271
>important part of the character is that he's not asian
>"guys lets make him a ching-chong!"

fucking idiots

In all honesty, they're not going to cast a fucking Asian in a leading role. Not if they want viewers.

>>78011825
Russian

i hope they make him a fat weeaboo with a neckbeard who thinks hes sweet at kung foo but the people in kun-lun trained him wrong as a joke

>>78011649

He's right though. Danny being a white guy is kind of an important part of his character, given the way him and Luke being a team was a huge stepping stone in race relations in comic books.

But you probably don't read comics, so it's okay that you didn't know that. Proceed with being a faggot and calling people edgy.

>>78012000

Not to mention he was dating a black chick too.

>>78011087
And this is why people are so completely myopically focused on him in K'un-Lun (and usually twisting the context of him even being there), They, also completely bypass the other half of him, where most of his story resides the stree-level verse. And two most important relationships in his life. Misty and Luke, African-Americans, who experience institutional racism and have fought for everything they've got, and there best friend/boyfriend is a guy with not only financial privilege, but racial privilege, too.

>>78012188
>have fought for everything they've got
Luke didn't fight for his super powers

>>78012188
*their

>>78012222
You know what I mean, brah.

>>78010740
>All asians are the same
You wat m8?


A Japanese guy would be just as much outsider

Literally ANY ethnicity but East Asian. He has to be an absolute outsider to the clan for his story to work.
And not just "Americanized" outsider. Like, nothing in common even on the most superficially physical level.
Round-eyes only.

Best best would be one of those South American "white" guys.

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Pic unrelated. He's the guy who SHOULD play Danny.

>>78012309
How about, and I know this is crazy but hear me out. How about a white guy from New York.

no one would want him to be asian

>>78010740
You could have him be a fully american asian guy. Like his family has been american for a few generations so he has absolutely zero connection to asia. He'd still be just as much of an outsider.

>>78012344
I'm just thinking in terms of if they just simply HAD to make him not white...

I'd be super-pissed. The whole point about Danny is that he was the outsider that grew up in Kun Lun and got accepted from years of dedication. I don't want him to be Asian or black. Either white or Latino if they want to go for ethnic.

>>78012399
the implication is that he has kung fu secretly in his blood

>>78011429
I think there's gotta be some way to rework K'un L'un to make it not as racist, like maybe not make every single person there a generic Mr. Miyagi.

Batman Begins managed to somehow avoid that kind of awkward implication but I don't know how. Maybe cuz Ducard was a white guy and all the trainees were completely covered? Who knows. I think the best way to avoid it is to just make it a place where warriors from all over the world come to master their art but few make it there, so that it's not an explicitly Asian place.

>>78012497
K'un L'un isn't racist though

>>78011738
This ignores the fact that Danny was raised among these people but somehow managed to be better than every one of them despite being a foreigner. His complete immersion into the culture is what makes him interesting, yes, but it's just a bit weird that they make him the champion of their people who's the only non-Asian there.

Like I said earlier though you can completely avoid this by just not making every fucking person there Chinese. Surely there's a couple Chuck Norrises and Kill Bill ladies.

>>78012000

Trips gets it.

Fuck the PC police, make him a surfer-blonde dude.

Snake-Eyes is white too

Where were the people bitching about him?

>>78012674
>but somehow managed to be better than every one of them despite being a foreigner.
Why is that racist?
Maybe he really wanted to prove himself, because he was a foreigner, and worked harder than all the others.

>>78012736
>Spock is better than all Vulcans despite only being half Vulcan

Shouldn't be a problem

>>78012763
You're right, it's not a problem

Simple, give Danny a rival who's slightly better but who is a dick so he gets passed over, and their power levels are beyond their peers so Danny's the only other real choice.

It's like a classic martial arts movie thing,

>>78012763
The notion that Asians come with kung-fu as a standard trait is what's racist. Him being white only serves to play his as the underdog, it has zero baring on his ability to learn, and master, chop-socky bullshit

>>78012736
>Why is that racist?
Because a lot of fiction made the white lead better at the natives' game in order to win their trust. It's old hat, and became so tired that it turned into a stereotype.

Imagine every stronk white woman character who effortlessly clobbers every obstacle in her way, quipping all the way. Now double it. That's how many copy-and-pasted characters it'd take to turn it into a stereotype.

>>78012863
Being a stereotype doesn't make it racist.

Tbh at this point I'd rather they just find someone good whos half asian/half white just to stop the whole shitstorm before it even gets going, best of both worlds, and you could still play the outsider angle with kun lun without any trouble.

As an IF fan I'd prefer he was a blonde white guy but its a TV show its not the end of the god damn world if they don't go that way with it.

>>78012674
I think that would hold more water, if the only people to have ever slew Shou-Lao was a white human kid. This is why they really need to show the mantle, and other past Iron Fists. They have 13 episodes, what's the excuse?

>if it was budget, i guess..

>>78010271
Yes.

>>78012863

Didn't you describe Whor and most other modern female characters...?

Also Danny isn't really white savior because he worked to get where he is. Most white saviors are just naturally better with zero effort and then worshiped afterwards like Milo being able to speak Atlantean in Atlantis. Danny fought to get where he is, and still isn't 100% accepted by the people.

>>78012931

Each episode could start with a pre-opening scene featuring a different Iron Fist. Could be neat.

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>>78012891
Yeah, well, it is anyway. I don't make the rules, man. I'm sure there's an assload of navel-gazing articles that try to put it in more sophisticated terms than that, but I just gave you the bare basics.

Personally, I don't see why it's supposed to be an impressive criticism.

>>78012891
Its a racist stereotype

>>78012674
You act like almost all the other Ironfists werent asian. He was treated like shit and felt like shit so he fought to be accepted by them, and in the end he was. They love him and he loves them. What's the porblem?

>>78013085
But it's not.

>>78012730
Well Snake Eyes doesnt really take off his mask and the people that usually complain don't read comics so they wouldnt know about that

>>78013002
The implication is the same. Either white people are naturally better than minorities or they are harder working than minorities. Either way, it still shows that white people are better.

im asian and id probably complain about it

>>78013085

It is but it doesn't really apply to Danny. He's just a white guy who takes a title that's mostly Asian's. He was also raised by said people. He didn't just pop-up and take the title with zero effort.

He's not even the only white Iron Fist.

>>78013130
One specific white person is harder working than a small group of minorities.
This isn't a bad fucking thing

>>78013111
Its a stereotype that originated as a way to depict white people as superior to all races. Ergo, its racist.

>>78013130
Holy fuck you mong

You guys, do you REALLY think Marvel doesn't know certain characters will need updates, from era past, because certain shit won't fly now?

Kevin Feige said as much when adapting Doctor Strange for the big screen. And did they change his race? No. All this bitching and moaning about Danny, I haven't heard half of the amount of angry levered Steven Strange way about being a "mighty whitey".
>It's because Danny does Kung-Fu isn't it?

And, in the case of Netflix look at Luke Cage, he of the 'blackploitation era', his villains were a shark-toothed pimp, and a 'mammy' sterotype, and they've been turned into a shady nightclub owner, and a corrupt politician, respectfully. Did they change his race, or any of theirs? No. They are still black.

Prediction, Danny stays white and see past Asian Iron Fists, or Danny stays white, and if/when we see KL it's multiracial. (messes with the 'visual outsider' thing, but anything for a quiet life.)
If there's one thing that's going to be changed it won't be his race, I can tell you that.

The main thing about Danny and KunLun is that he was a spoiled little american richie rich who got pummeled and trained into becoming Iron Fist, theres no real reason why they couldnt just make him asian american although youd have to change his entire familys ethnicity as well..... it would deviate from the comics obviously, but story wise it wouldnt be different at all.

the fact that visually white danny wouldnt look like the residents of Kun Lun should be secondary to the fact they arent even from our world anyways

>>78013247
*respectively

>>78013247
Isn't the Ancient One a white woman now? Do you really think that those people could ever be mad at ayy lmao?

>>78013173
Its not one specific white person, its one specific white person again and again. This trope has been seen again and again.

>>78013267
>spoiled little american richie rich

>>78010271
I'm Asian I want him to stay white, maybe a costume change is needed

>>78013326
So? Who fucking cares about the 'trope'?
What about the mystical black man trope? Are you suggesting we should never ever cast a black man as a sage-like character ever again?

>>78013372
Of course! That would be super duer racist! And Native Americans can't be spiritual, ever.

>>78013305
Yeah, most of the hoohaa, I saw was over 'The Ancient One" casting, and Steven being "Doctor Science" and not "Doctor Strange". Nothing about him being a "mighty whitey". If people are so concerned about it they should at least be consistent.

>>78013454
>consistent
>2015
oh you

What if Danny is half-Asian?

>>78013372
I'm just arguing that Danny is a "white savior" trope and that regardless of your reasoning, it is a trope that shows white people as superior. I'm not arguing that we can never cast a white actor as a kung fu hero. In fact, I'd rather Danny be white in the show just because that's how I'm used to seeing the character portrayed. I'm just tired of people making bullshit arguments for why the "white savior" trope isn't racist when it clearly is. If you want Danny to be white that's fine, just don't try to argue that he isn't exemplary of a racist trope.

>>78013372
Honestly, I think if you're an author, you should avoid "mystical black man" for a little while.

I don't care about racism or all that hoo ha, it's just that "magic black man" has been so overdone.

I'm not saying that in order to be good, you have to be original, but it's an uphill struggle to use the most basic tropes and stereotypes

>>78013607
>it's racist to portray a white man being better than minorities at anything, because in the past other fictional stories did it

>>78013607
>white people can't be good at anything, it's racist if they are

>>78013130
Nobody who isn't a baby or a scam artist actually sees it that way, though.

>>78013607
>>>/tvtropes/

>>78013665
>>78013686
It is "racist" (it's a memeword now that barely means anything) for a white character to be better at things that highly associated with a minority group because it suggests that white people are just plain better.

You're gonna say "Well it does happen, some white people are better than minority groups at things that are strongly associated with that group".
But this is fiction. Real life is just a cousin to fiction.

In fiction, everything means something. Otherwise it wouldn't exist in fiction.
You naturally search for meaning.

This is how symbolism works. Something that in real is insignificant but in fiction is significant.

So to go back to the point that guy was making, if, for example, a white guy becomes the world's best digeridoo player, the fiction is highly symbolically suggesting that Aboriginals are just shit.

>>78013130
So if I'm black and I end up in Kun Lun and I push myself to be the best I can be and I surpass my fellow students and become the relm champion, it's not racist?

>>78013787
>the fiction is highly symbolically suggesting that Aboriginals are just shit.
But they are, Christ rumors say they were classified as flora in Straya at one point.

>>78013787
The symbolism here is that an outsider desperately wants to prove himself because he's an outcast with no friends so he works really really hard.
That's literally it.

You only see racist undertones if you're fucking looking for them.

>>78013787
No, it's saying that he worked hard and became the best. Stop putting race into everything you faggot

>>78013787
I concur with what you're saying. There needs to be a separation kept in mind between "consciously racist" and just "unfortunate racist implications" like Marty McFly going back in time to steal the invention of rock 'n roll from black people.

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>>78010789
Not in the eyes of trump anon, not in the eyes of trump

>>78013877
>Rock 'n roll was invented in 1955 by Chuck Berry

Why do I get the feeling that only left leaning whites are getting offended by Danny being a white male?

>>78013952
Well them and small groups of minorities

>>78013837
No because there wasn't a period in black culture where black people thought they were naturally better than everyone else.

Literature is a dialogue.
Even if you aren't racist, making your writing similar to some that was is compromising.
It's like getting a swastika now.
You can say "But it's hindu!" all you want. People still gonna think of Nazis.

>>78013952
The only people getting offended by Danny being white are people that don't understand it's a core part of his character.

>>78014014
So it's only racist when white people do it?

>>78014014
>No because there wasn't a period in black culture where black people thought they were naturally better than everyone else.
You mean apart from right now

>>78013946
And then perfected in 1995 by Buck Cherry. I know my music history, Anon.

>>78013860
>>78013871
>If I don't understand it, then it doesn't exist

It's ok that you're ok with it.
It's totally fine to want a white Danny.
That's nothing wrong with that opinion on its own.
I'm not calling your racists.

All I'm saying that a lot of people will think it is, and have good reasons for it.

You cannot deny the similarities to old white supremacy stories of the early 20th century.

>>78014085
>good reasons for it.
No, they won't. They'll legitimately be people looking to complain for any reason they can come up with

>>78014085
>it doesnt exist
fixed that for you

>>78014054
No, it's not.
If a person of another race writes a story where a white person becomes the world's best samurai or something, it's still "racist"

Also, don't conflate an idea being "racist" with the person who created it being "racist".

As you can plainly see in this thread, lots of people aren't aware of connections, even though most people have.

If someone writes a story about a black person who loves KFC, watermelon, and koolaid, it's "racist", even if the person who decided that that character liked those things solely because they themselves love it.

>>78014170
It wouldnt be racist though

>>78014170
Jesus christ you're literally saying that anything can be racist if enough people think it is.
That's not how it works.

Did The Phantom movie get shit from SJWs back in 1996? He's the descendant of whites on a Pacific island where the natives taught him how to become an avenger for justice.

>>78014127
Putting your head in the sand won't make you right, anon.

"White person enters foreign culture, becomes leader in that culture" is an old trope.
An old established trope.

You can say it isn't and say that no one ever wrote books with that trope all you want.

It doesn't make you right. Those books still exist. And people will think about them.

>>78014220

They would have had to see it to take issue with it.

>>78012891
Saying he should be Asian because he does martial arts is racist.

>>78014223
I don't care that it's old established trope, I think that's what you're not getting. Just because white supremacists used the trope in the past doesn't fucking make it inherently racist.
Just because people interpret something to have racist undertones doesn't actually mean there are any racist undertones there.

>>78010337
>There's a lot of Asia to pick from. Make him Indian, incorporate Bollywood-over-the-top theatrics into the fights.
Yes.

>>78014201
You see why I don't like the word?
The author in that example would not be racist. Ignorant, yes, but hardly at blame.

The story, however, would be conforming to the opinions of people who believe that black people inherently inferior.
And that's less than ideal for the author, regardless of his intentions.
>>78014214
Yes. Literally yes.
Racism is not objective. You cannot hold racism. You can't measure it. You can't wave around a raceometer and be like "Yes, there are 500 milicrows of racism here".

Like all things in art, it is literally down to what enough people think

>>78014294
>Just because people interpret something to have racist undertones doesn't actually mean there are any racist undertones there.
What's the difference between racist undertones that people interpret to be there but aren't, and racist undertones that people interpret to be there and really are?

>>78014318
>Racism is not objective
Yes, it is. If you hate someone based on their race, that makes you a racist. That's it.
Any other definitions you want to use are fucking wrong. Your way of thinking leads to fucking lynch mobs.

>>78014372
Gee I dunno, maybe because they're actually there? Intentionally placed there by a racist?

>>78014421
But you cannot read the mind of the author.
How do you know with just the text?

What if the author is dead? Is there no way for the text to be racist then?

Death of the Author is a real literary principle.

>>78014382
A text is not a person. It cannot hate.
By your definition, no non-people can be racist.
What about laws then? They cannot hate either.

>>78013130
>>78013787
>It is "racist" (it's a memeword now that barely means anything) for a white character to be better at things that highly associated with a minority group because it suggests that white people are just plain better.
No it isn't and no it doesn't.

What you're suggesting is like adapting the story of a white basketball player and making him black.

>>78014081
you're a crazy bitch

>>78014660
>name calling

>>78013787
What if an asian guy was a better knight then a group of white dudes? Would that be racist?

>>78014699
If it was written in Chinese/Korean/Japanese, then yeah it would be.
All three of those cultures have had big "Everyone else are subhuman" phases.

If it was written by an American in English, it wouldn't be considered racist because we have never been exposed to that type of racism.

>>78014699
No according to him
>>78014014

>>78013247

If they do the whole Fraction/Brubaker Iron Fist lineage thing, you also have to remember that the one immediately preceding Danny, Orson Randall was a white guy and outsider too.

>>78014687
its a song by the buck cherry

>>78014834

Sure and there has been a bunch of other Iron Fists.

There was an Indian one in the wild west. Is that racist?

>>78014816
Your logic sounds an awful lot like US-centric tumblr bullshit, anon.
White people didn't invent oppression.

>>78010337
>There's a lot of Asia to pick from
But the whole buddy dynamic between him and Luke Cage relied on how different they were. Luke was a poor urban black and Danny was rich and White.

> Make him Indian

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>>78016041
>shits on the dragons heart

>>78014458
>Death of the Author is a real literary principle.
It also means that some dummy claiming a story is racist is more more valid than someone claiming it's not. Anyone can interpret any work of fiction as "problematic" in some way, but that doesn't mean fiction should be written in a way that appeases these people.

> I can eat more jalapeños than my Mexican friend

Am I racist?

>>78010271
I'd be kinda annoyed and I'm Chinese.

>>78012222
Lol he got them for free from the gov't what a surprise

>>78012333
I see it

>>78010513
>>78010957
Latino/Hispanic is not a race but if they had a mestizo brown dude as Danny then yeah I would be all for it, even Native American.

Of course tumblr would bitch and moan if he was anything but a black guy.

Whatever they do, at the end of the day tumblr and the SJW will eat it, they are all Marveldrones after all.

>>78012730
No one saw Gi Joe, also I bet a lot of the people that did didn’t know Snake Eyes was white.

>>78014069
Ooooooooh shiiiit.

>>78012730
> Mighty Whitey: He's an American soldier trained by the Japanese Arashikage ninjas, and is demonstrably better than Storm Shadow, who has been a ninja his whole life.

Got this from Tvtropes.

>>78013100
This.

Every other Iron Fist before him was of asian ethnicity, he isn't some 'Chosen One' that surpasses all of them, or the only person ever to defeat the dragon. He's just one more person in a long line of Iron Fists, as good as all the others, but no better than them, and NOT the best martial artist in K'un L'un.

He isn't Mighty Whitey at all. He just happened to be as good as all his other classmates, and to be the first one of them chosen to take the dragon test, and had he failed, another of them almost certainly would have succeeded.

That's a big part of why I like Danny/Iron Fist so much. He isn't some chosen one leading the cowering foolish ethnics. He's ONE OF THEM, who just happened to be the one to take on a position that countless others had taken before him. He's practically a working man's hero, really, his fortune back on Earth aside.

>>78020033
>Every other Iron Fist before him was of asian ethnicity
Most, not every

>>78020069
Well, originally it was 'every', but yes, there were a handful of exceptions.

>>78010271
Yes, because I prefer when they stick to the source.

Which is why I'm mad as fuck that Dr. Strange's mentor is some random ass white woman and not an Asian.

>>78019830

They made a site that hates when female characters are rape victims love a show about rape victims.

Marvel can really do anything at this point.

>>78014303
>>78010337
As an Indian, I'd hate this.
First off, Bollywood is a foreign by-product resulting from Indian filmmakers apeing classic Hollywood.
Secondly, it clashes so much with Indian culture.
Thirdly, it would probably just be Dev Patel again

>>78020024
> created by Japanese-American Larry Hama

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>>78010271

>Series is based on a rich White guy unlocking ancient, mystical kung-fu to find himself
>Make him a poor Asian dude to fall into the old "Asian = Martial Arts Master" trope
>Can't complain about the reverse-racism behind such a change because of SJWs and cultural appropriation bullshit

Fuck this gay earth and fuck PCs.

>>78012333
Ken from the Street Fighter? Hell yeah thatd be dope

>>78020432
>reverse-racism
Just call it what it is: Racism.

It doesn't have a default direction.

>>78010271
Of course. /co/ is racist.

>>78012333
Not likely, apparently crossing over the films and shows is a nightmare, since they're run my different people and scheduling is so difficult

>>78020531
It does if you assume the default is white

>>78014318
Is it possible here that its the audience that is to blame? You are talking about it being racist because its an old trope to have a white man be better at something than a native culture, but have you ever read every story ever written? Ever told?

Have you considered there might be more stories about asian people being better at something than slightly different asian people from another culture? Stories you haven't read because you don't speak chinese or because they haven't been popular in china for a few hundred years or some such?

If a time traveler came from the future where chinese people used the same racist propaganda as whites from the last hundred years would this movie become an inversion of (his) now standard trope?

What if it was a different time traveler, one from the past who made this movie and wrote the script 600 years before it became a racist trope for you?

The audience (in this case its you, because no one else is saying it would be racist) is making it that way. They are offending themselves, and they should be allowed to enjoy less of life if they see hateful undertones in everything. You don't have to protect someone that WANTS to play the victim.

>>78010789
No we don't. We're brown and gross and seen as migrant workers that steal jobs. They're white in Europe.

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>marvel

Why do retards keep making these threads and giving this trash attention

>>78020803
Marvel is on suicide watch
As in they may commit suicide
Because Suicide Squad will be better than their stuff

Not actually my opinion, just explaining that cover blurb to you.

>>78011045
kek

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>>78011087
Pretty much. Tumblr and that crowd have so politicized everything (see: Whor's passive-aggressive writing) that people have become hyper reactive to those tumblr talking points.

And then you have everyone trying to shut down the people who point these issues out because "not comics."

But when Marvel is racelifting or gender swapping EVERY hero they have, then yeah, its clearly an issue.

>>78020821
As if it wasn't obvious, thanks for the "translation" anyhow, even though it's fake.

>>78011087
what the fuck is a cinnamon bun

>>78020844
I thought you were making fun of that for saying Marvel

>>78012497
>the awkward implication that Asians live in Asia

They don't call us /co/umblr for nothin'!

>>78020900
Well the portal to K'un-Lun is in Asia but it is a mystical other dimension; why do its inhabitants necessarily need to be Asian just because that's where a portal to Earth is?

Why does anybody put minorities in movies and stuff anymore?

You save yourself a lot of hassle by just not having women or niggers in your movies imho

>>78021025
>porn without women

What are you, gay?

>>78020851
a pastry desert

>>78020924
Well, it's logical to assume that's where almost all of their immigrants would come from.

>>78021216
Sure, but I'm pretty certain they don't typically get immigrants from Earth.

>>78021230
Iron Fist Li Park rescued the other half of a Chinese village that had been destroyed in a massacre. Most K'un'Lians can trace their linage back to those survivors, so I guess it makes sense that they look all Asian, but they could be mixed, I guess.

>>78010271
I wouldn't care, but then again I've never read an Iron Fist comic

The only right answer is to make him Filipino

>>78012000
Yeah, kind of bullshit that SJW are so ignorant they don't see that white man can be an Asian hero and he can make first steps towards equality. That ironically makes them racists.

>>78021646
>don't see that white man can be an Asian hero
The hell are you talking about?

No, as long as he fits the premise. He can be any race with a rich family.

>>78021617
Flipfag and Iron Fist reader here.

I'm kinda on board with this and on the other hand, kinda not.
Filipinos are the SJW's schrodinger's minority.
We're either white if we're successful in the west through our own efforts and not from using their kool-aid tactics. We're minorities if we're convenient to their movement.

The bigger reason I won't like it though is that the disparity between Luke and Danny is gone. Its two colored guys being bros, which is pretty common.

>>78013100
I would LOVE to see the legacy, but if it's him when he first arrives back on earth, I doubt we'll be seeing it. At least for the first season.

>>78014069
beat me too it

>>78013130
It still absolutely amazes me that people don't think these types of statements are just as destructive and racist as any other. Blanket statements are the easiest way to spot ignorance.

>>78021680
just have danny use the word nigger

>>78014081
I chuckled

You must be an American Dad writer

>>78021738
Sure, and lets get Luke to calling Pee-Noy or Flip.

No man, as much as I want to see my fellow homeboy on TV, I don't want to ruin a story by shoehorning a minority in a character who SHOULD be white because it makes the most sense in the overall plot and character dynamics.

>people claiming that Danny's race isn't an essential part of his character
>fail to see that logic could be used on the vast majority of minority characters
There's nothing about Luke Cage that says he has to be black. Black people aren't the only ones who go to prison.

>>78013787

>So to go back to the point that guy was making, if, for example, a white guy becomes the world's best digeridoo player, the fiction is highly symbolically suggesting that Aboriginals are just shit.

First off, your example is ridiculous and not well thought out. Australia is full of fucking white people. Any one person can be extremely passionate about digeridoo playing because of cultural interest. More than likely, they will be white by chance. Anyway...

You are associating that the perceived image set by someone's work, passion, and financial status is solely determined by the color of their skin. (Which is prejudice)

In fact, you are also assuming that everyone will and should think that because a specific white person is talented and quite possibly the best digeridoo player in the last century that the imagery created is to belittle the cultural heritage and overall people who created it. (Which is racist)

When all logic states that someone THAT invested in the god damn digeridoo, would not only think positive things about aboriginal culture but try to inform others and share the struggle that aboriginals have gone through.

I'm sick and tired of seeing racist ass people on /co/ projecting their own incoherent bullshit.

>>78021859
It's an even more ridiculous example when a quite a few of the most famous didgeridoo players in the world right now are, in fact, white

>>78021859
>DATS RAYSISS

Back to >>>/tumblr/

If you want to push your social agenda, do it anywhere but here you drooling legbeard

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>he cares about race

>>78021760
This, man. Like Goddamn, I'm non-white myself, and would love to see more non-white heroes on screen. But, this is one of the only white characters where it would NOT work, no matter how you slice it, without drastically changing everything about the character, his story and relationship dynamics.

If people can't see the social subtext of a black guy who grew up poor, considering a white rich guy, like his own brother. Then, I don't know what to say.

>>78021879
Actually most are part of that 1/16th Aboriginal group that black Aboriginals despise.

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>>78021904
But I don't.
Look how politically correct I am, I play a black character even though I'm white myself.

>>78010271
Why not make him black?

>>78021883
Quiet faggot. Adults are talking.

>>78022002
>ABLOO BLOO BLOO DA WHITE MAN KEEPIN ME DOWN SMASH CIS SCUM
>adults

>>78022049
Nigga you even read what I wrote or do you assume all wall of texts are about that?

I was telling some bitch to stop being racist towards white people because of their skin color you fucking twat.

You have two options at this point. Quit while you're ahead or the predicted response

>oh well, I'm stupid...so I'm still gonna tell you to to goback2tumblr again anyway because saying anything about race is just as bad and I won't feel so dumb.

>>78010271
The only thing I care about in this show are proper fight scenes.

>>78011087
None of my nerd friends have even heard of gamergate. The internet drama machine is not representative of any community.

>All this political correct talk about Danny being white

Gonna make the story clear here, if there's anything to add to it let me know. Just trying to put the facts down in writing

The Iron Fist before Danny was white, he ended up in Kun Lun because of a blimp crash in the late 1800's. He was born in the city, but being white made him an outsider. Becoming the Iron Fist was a surprise to everybody within Kun Lun, as they all thought an outsider could never achieve it.

Then the Iron Fist refused to fight. By running away he confirmed beliefs that outsiders make bad martial artists.

The next white guy to get to Kun Lun, Danny's father, walked away at the mystical dragon fight, believing it was not his destiny to earn the Iron Fist title. Thus reaffirming to everybody that white boys don't deserve the title.

Then Danny comes along, gets treated like shit all his childhood, proves himself to be capable, and takes the title without fucking anything up.

Then Danny comes home, finds out his fortune is pointless, tries to help people and meets Cage. He realises his own privilege and proves he can be a good man despite the stereotypes around him.

Iron Fist needs to be white in order for the story to work, or at least neither black nor asian, which doesn't leave much.

>>78022324
Dis. People might not like Danny's predecessor being white, but in context in makes sense.

Even though Orson was treated like a 'native son', he killed a weapon, and ran away from his duties after experiencing extreme PTSD from war. Wendell tried it, and didn't do it, leaving K'un-Lun without an Iron Fist. (And his rival embarrassed himself trying to take it for himself, and he doesn't think any outsider should be the Iron Fist.)

Attitudes may have soured a bit by the third white laowai that tries to become the Iron Fist.

>>78010271
I want danny to be white
its just who he is

An oxymoron

>>78022321
IRL, but it's presence is definitely felt in online communities.

>>78020814
As much as I want people to ignore it to, the race-debate has literally permeated EVERY conversation/or hub dedicated to Iron Fist, so I can understand why they popup here, even if I find them annoying, and largely uninformed.

>>78021803
Except that Danny's race IS a notable part of his character.

STICK

TO

THE

FUCKING

COMICS

JESUS

CHRIST

Danny is supposed to be an outsider who falls into being trained by the monks. He could be any race EXCEPT asian.

I generally think that race isn't a huge factor in a character except in cases where it actually has an impact. Like Michael Clark Duncan did a good job as Kingpin, but the idea that a fat white kid grew up in the heart of Hells Kitchen and took over has far more impact than a black kid doing the same. Its about a character overcoming expectations.

>>78010271
Depends, then again giving a Asian character kung-fu superpowers is like giving a Black character electricity powers.

>>78023950
Why? They don't really do that and they're making millions off it.

>>78013607
>bitching about "tropes"
>p.c. tropes on top of it

/co/mblr is still /co/mblr after all. Should be natural the porkies would like tv tropes too.

>>78014014
>>78014170
>>78014318


>No because there wasn't a period in black culture where black people thought they were naturally better than everyone else.


I hope this is only someone pretending to be a hipster retard, if so, kudos to you, you got their pretentious dogma spot on.

>>78023457
Pancakes are pretty common amongst people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about people who won't shut up about pancakes.

>>78012333
If TV and movie were still connected, I'd believe it. Adkins is probably going to be Wong though

>>78010271
Wasn't part of his deal that he's not asian despite his powers coming from Asia? I think it would be ok to change his nationality, but making him asian in particular would defeat the point.

>>78010291
>Mighty Whitey
Either way

>>78020215
Doesn't really matter who created him, it is what it is.

>>78026911
>>78026939
What it is is nothing. You're only seeing racism because you're looking for it.

>>78012448
Well, his father was born in China and even he was a blond haired blue eyed white kid.

>>78022049
>>78022212
Holy shit
BTFO
T
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>>78013787

>>78014014
>No because there wasn't a period in black culture where black people thought they were naturally better than everyone else.

Fuck you and fuck white guilt. Where are the crosses that the mongols or turks must carry?

>>78014699
I'll take "any manga/anime set in european/medieval times" for ten!

>>78020843
Don't you know white children don't deserve icons?

ESPECAILLY not white cis het male children!

>>78014014
>No because there wasn't a period in black culture where black people thought they were naturally better than everyone else.

If we pull a pure numbers game, Whites and Chinese Can call themselves better.

>>78028326
if you pull numbers, whites aren't even in the same ballpark as chinese

>>78028383
Actually, yes, they are, because you do know the entirely of the 18th, 19th 20th and 21st centuries are lead by the white powers right?

China Stagnated like fuck for almost a thousand years.

Hell, the Printing Press Europeans invented was ten times more effective than the chinese one.

And the Chinese failed to create Valleum, so their books were shit tier.

>>78019830
Nah, Tumblr wants Danny to be asian

>>78026911
>>Mighty Whitey

Yeah, no. This is not even close to that. Watch UFC sometime, faggot. Asian people SUCK at martial arts.

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>>78020843
>this thread
>literal faggots and kuks using "privilege" like it actually exists

>>78014014
>there wasn't a period in black culture where black people thought they were naturally better than everyone else

Y'know how I can tell you've never lived around black people?

>>78014014
>Literature is a dialogue

stopped the liberal arts major

pro-tip: your degree isn't real but your homosexuality is

ITT: PEOPLE WHO DON'T WATCH SPORTS OR MARTIAL ARTS

Seriously, you fucking faggots. Do you not realize that white people learning asian martial arts and being better at it than asians is a real thing?

Here's a question to all you literal homos: Name one time an asian has ever been the best at anything other than sumo, judo, memorizing digits of pi, or eating hotdogs.

>>78030487
>stopped

*spotted

fucking autocorrect

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worst thread on /co/

>>78010811
>Make K'unL'ians look white
>Get accused of 'White-Washing'

Wew Nelly.

>>78026911
What the fuck is he implying with "Mighty whitey" anyway?
Is it offensive for there to be one ablebodied white male superhero on the team?
I just don't get what "Mighty Whitey" means in this context.

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At first I was all for a Asian American actor. But then I noticed that everyone who wanted this change never read the fucking comics enough to know his real story, and then proceeded to say they don't care about the other Asian characters because they wont star in the show.
Iron Fist has been my favorite hero since I was just a kid and I don't want him to be changed to cater to people who don't even have enough respect to read anything not on a wikipedia page about him.
Keep him white, the real fans wont care one way or another.

>>78019184
ROFL fuck you, man lol

>>78031847
THISSSS. I'm pretty sure one of the guys that started it off created a topic about this on Reddit. He didn't want him being white, and he also hates it where the white foreigner hooks up with a local girl.
Wouldn't it actually make sense for him to fall in love with a girl that was raised in the same city as him? Ya know, since he's been in K'un-Lun since he was a child. Anyway, his girlfriend is an Afro-centric black girl with an Afro.
Which tells me he REALLY did not even do more than perfunctory research on this character.

(I think I also remember him comparing a white guy learning Kung-Fu to 'yellow face'. I'm sorry, what?)

>>78030933
It means he's one of the mighty
Mighty people of the white
In his heart lies all the answers
To the truth you cannot fight