Didn't see a Homestuck thread, so I may ask:
What happened to the game?
Will we ever know what each aspect does?
Was it the fandom or Hussie prolonging his comic/pandering to the wrong group that turned the comic into this terrible mess?
>What happened to the game?
What game? You mean Sburb or Hiveswap?
>Will we ever know what each aspect does?
Nah. He's too lazy for this.
>Was it the fandom or Hussie prolonging his comic/pandering to the wrong group that turned the comic into this terrible mess?
>What happened to the game?
>buying into a scamstarter
I was laughing at the Homofuck fanbase while it was going on, and I'm laughing even harder now. You got what you deserved for being gullible morons.
This shit is why you crowdfund games by people who aren't making absurd claims and have some demo or at least track record before they start their campaign.
A lot of the time, people are too ambitious, or don't realize how arduous a task they're undertaking, and they just fail to deliver.
Cases of outright theft are rarer, but still a possibility.
I really fucking hate that the game just essentially destroyed the comic. Because of all that bullshit, now we have to go through another ultragigamegabbq-pause.
And we'll probably get another pause after a few little updates as well.
the comic already got delayed before the TOG fiasco even happened, after promising in the kickstarter that the updates wouldnt get affected he spent weeks writing a design bible with ryan north to give to TOG (which he didn't do before the kickstarter like you're supposed to)
>Will we ever know what each aspect does?
I still don't know what they actually do. Sometimes they work as superpowers, sometimes they work just as a subjective concept. It's just so confuse.
>Will we ever know what each aspect does?
he should have finally gotten around to those things.
itd probably have more appeal than what he usually does.
the whole "game" part was utterly abandoned, which is ironic considering how much trouble he's having getting out a playable game. you'd think it'd make it more interesting if he went over some of that stuff.
Confusion is a great way to draw people into something, though. You're STILL thinking about it.
>What happened to the game?
It's never coming back
>Will we ever know what each aspect does?
Yes, Arenea's exposition dumps more or less covered everything
>Was it the fandom or Hussie prolonging his comic/pandering to the wrong group that turned the comic into this terrible mess?
>Arenea's exposition dumps more or less covered everything
>what is mage
>what is doom beyond inheretence?
>literally who the fuck is sollux
So if Tavros and Eridan both had reached their full potential, who would have been more powerful? There's been a lot of lipservice to Page powers but to be honest I think Eridan would come out on top; the only time we've actually seen those tremendous powers get used is by a Hope player (an aspect that's also received a lot of lip service), and Hope!Eridan seemed pretty damn powerful even when not GT while he was in that showdown with Sollux.
Was pumped for this song to be in Homestuck for Karkat, but
>I made the decision to use Project Latitude for my personal work, since it was an early touchstone in my arrangement of these songs.
tfw Vol. 10 will probably never happen.
There's a fan album being made that I have a lot of faith in, based on the amazing amount of coordination on the part of the project manager. It's out on MSPAF, if you want to go looking for it; I think it's something coming out soonish, even.
Bandcamp is the shit, by the way.
EVERYONE GOT FIRED
RUN WHILE YOU CAN
Rachel said in MSPAF somewhere that Hussie has a document that explains all about god tiers and classpects. What makes you think he's just bullshitting it?
Who says the track can't appear on both?
the fact that he just twists things to make characters do what should be the job of other characters
aranea healing jakes mind even though that should obviously be a mind thing is a big one,
also aranea inheriting vriska's 'lucky 8r8k' for the god tier deaths in game over, even though vriska is meant to be lucky because she literally stole a bunch of luck due to being a thief, aranea shouldn't have that ability any more than rose
As someone who made a majority of current friends in middle school over Homestuck, its good for what it is (or was per se).
It works on the concept of a funny comic with relatable and natural characters, set in a solidly built universe. Hussie tried to exceed what HS could handle by making it the socio-mind-fuck of universal and multi-universal proportions and it begins to fade. I stopped at Act 6 because it drags, its no longer a fun roller coaster its just a pull to the top with no foreseeable plummet back into action and adrenaline.
why couldn't shelby make something cool for the calendar, like this
>also aranea inheriting vriska's 'lucky 8r8k' for the god tier deaths in game over, even though vriska is meant to be lucky because she literally stole a bunch of luck due to being a thief, aranea shouldn't have that ability any more than rose
Nah, Sylph is a passive class so the rules behind when she can use her powers are different from Vriska's. Like sometimes shit will just happen by itself even though she didn't do anything.
I honestly think her art has gotten worse. The one on the right is the redraw of the left picture.
He couldn't. The first team of developers who took the money said that they "dropped everything they were working on" to work on their new game.
It's officially only an alleged rumor, but we're all pretty sure it was http://store.steampowered.com/app/345390/.
Jesus christ, that's definitely objectively worse. She's the one who did the cute drawings calliope did, and the colours and mayhem covers right? Dang
I guess she's all about this roundish uggo style now since she's working on that neo-kosmos comic with amber rogers, but why'd she have to abandon the old style altogether? Both styles are really "tumblr" and simple but at least the old one was pretty
Making characters ugly is like a fad on the more tumblry side of tumblr these days
I dont get why games, mostly from steam, put pic related on their trailers... nowadays I can shill my game on kotaku and get a quote like this, it never had any weight to begin.
The only thing tumblry about the left one is the random dumb colored body parts. The new drawing looks like she tried to make Aradia a Steven Universe character while simultaneously forgetting how to draw. Look at that flat nose and crooked eyes, on a circular head. Those sausage fingers slabbed down on a rectangle. She improved at coloring, but somehow degraded into an amateur artist. How does this happen?
I love the quotes Toby used on his Steam page.
>“The puzzles aren't particularly impressive.” 10/10 – Destructoid
>“I have a couple of issues with the user interface.” 10/10 – PCInvasion
>“If there’s a criticism to be had, it’s that sometimes Toby Fox doesn’t know when to let a joke go.” 10/10 – The Jimquisition
author sets out make a creation story using kids playing a video game not unlike the sims. It goes off the rails as their game gets screwed up. The kids meet a race of aliens from a different universe who also played the game and the two groups plot together to salvage the human kids' game.
Due to unforseen even the aliens end up killing each most of each other, but this has little impact on the plot.
The human kids activate a device that will essentially reset their universe, but instead trade their positions as the game players with that of their young parents. Normally, this would erase them to, but they escape their universe before the reset triggers. Where half of the four kids meet up with the remaining aliens, the other two kids are stranded on a battleship floating through space. both parties are traveling towards the new, reset-ed human universe.
In the reset universe, the alien empress from the previous alien universe had taken over via time shit and has her way with the planet.
The new kids who were previously the parents are a group of idiots with romantic issues. We then are introduced to another alien species which are basically lizard people with human skulls for heads. These new aliens begin their own game whereupon the male kills the girl, preventing him from finishing their game properly. Through a new series of events the male becomes the ultra powerful villain of the story. Which all the kids after finally meeting up decide to take down
ok, that was not a tl;dr. sorry.
Some kids play a game. It's supposed to be like The Sims. They get sucked into it like in Jumanji. Then they find out the game was the real world all along, and the world they lived in was the fake. Then there's batshit time travel and they all become gods. Then more gods and aliens show up and now they're all fighting each other
Megalovania was in both Homestuck and Toby's games - tracks don't necessarily need to stick with one work.
>tfw people were speculating about the song being for Tavros flipping his shit
Trolls weren't a bad concept
But Hussie should have focused on the main 4-6 of them, given the others some sidestories and minor mentions (possibly killing them off after that) and not made characters that had special interactions with the narrative for no reason like "faces no consequences for anything and keeps coming back" or "gets 0 dialogue and won't die".
>faces no consequences
>implying she won't face them soon
(Tavros) was the beginning and she got that burden from her irrelevant version.
Now Bec Noir, GCatavrossprite, Gamzee and Karkat (you fucked up when he hates you more than himself) need to deal with her.
It skewered the fandom, but honestly I always felt there's an implicit emphasis about the humans being the main characters over the trolls.
Davekat's not gonna be a thing.
>This is a $25 shirt being sold officially through we love fine
>doesn't get a basic quirk of the comic right
HELP 911? I'M BEING TRIGGERED
>Davekat is not going to be a thing
Enjoy your male Rosemary, because Hussie needs to get his cash back.
Oh, and GO!Karkat wins the Terezibowl, because pandering to the old fanbase.
See! Everyone is happy!
>he doesn't know about bowls
It's a harem thing predominately but winning a character over who's romantic future had previously been challenged by one or more other suitors is a -bowl.
MCs get bowls. Best girls get bowls. Worst girls are shit and undesirable so they're participants in the MC or other character bowl or nothing.
oh jeez speaking of her, she tweeted some of her fanart improvements today too
But while I make fun of tumblr, there's also you guys being ridiculous on the other side of the spectrum, whining about the "gay singularity" like it's a thing that matters. Criticize the pacing and plot all you want, but Dave being in homo with Karkat is not a big deal. He would've wasted his time on the meteor whether he wanted a girl to hop on his dick or a dude. Do I have to post that pic comparing the amount of straight relationships to gay ones again?
cuz you're both dumb. tumblr drawing things shittier because "representation" or whatever, and you guys focusing in on a character's sexuality and acting like it's a big terrible thing that's it's not the sexuality that you want. Tumblr being tumblr and 4chan being 4chan.
And there is nothing earlier in the comic that would contradict Dave being able to be attracted to guys. (did you know, bisexuality is a thing that exists)
I don't care about dave being bi (or whatever) I just find karkat the laziest choice available.
I know the only other male love interests dave could have were limited (gamzee/the mayor) but at least one of those was kinda set up pre-retcon.
>because it's not the sexuality you want
no one complains about dave being gay for that reason you dumb fuck
all of dave's development about fatalism got shafted in favour of hussie soapboxing about toxic masculinity with dave as the mouthpiece, that's dumb, and you're dumb for thinking the reason is 'lol typical 4chan'
I really don't get why people think they can just change a character's design like that just for the sake of "headcanon".
The fatalism and shit about being a hero is still the focus, it's just shown that that's interwoven with his upbringing with Bro and how that affected his concept of heroism.
It was said during Dave and Dirk's conversations, he said that Bro ruined the concept of heroism to him and that he's still reluctant to slay LE just because he was chosen to be the one.
I think it fits, because his issues lie with the "cool" and tough persona he had to put up all his life to deal with shit. It was the same pre-retcon, with him not wanting to fight and just be the "dave of guy" or whatever. It makes sense that he'd have a conversation with john like that, about just wanting to be himself without the expectations that were placed on him.
I mean, if you want to complain about the direction of his character go ahead, but don't blame it on the "gay singularity". He would've been the same with or without a his friend who is a boy, the issues would of just been explored in a slightly different way.
He probably will. What else does he have to do?
Although equally, I can imagine he'd be too burnt out to even attempt something like Homestuck ever again.
Maybe he'll try making another regular comic, like 'The Starlight Calliope'.
My problem with the masculinity conversation is that it felt so awkwardly placed in the comic.
Hasn't talked to John in 3 years
First time ever meeting him in person
spent last 3 years with trolls and sister
The entire conversation is about either romance (john/terezi dave/karkat john/roxy) or dave's thoughts about toxic masculinity.
I think the problem is Hussie spent so long holding these conversations back that by the time they finally happened(at the end of the comic mind you) they just all felt like info dumps and less like actual conversations these characters would organically have.
it wasn't a conversation, it was a one sided spiel about a society that was destroyed by meteors years ago
at no point did any of the kids care about the billions of people killed or the fact humanity was destroyed, but somehow dave gives a shit about how rap music enforces machoness or whatever bollocks he was talking
and i never used the phrase gay singularity, that was some other anon
>Although equally, I can imagine he'd be too burnt out to even attempt something like Homestuck ever again.
that's what i was thinking
maybe he'll go back to something like problem sleuth or early homestuck; a little simpler (but still crazy)
maybe he'll even take fan commands again
>there are people who don't know why people hate Davekat
>and it has fuck-all to do with Dave's shifting furry/milf/gay/alien/carapace fetishes
As someone said before, it's lazy as fuck and only Rose, Jasprosesprite, Dave, Vriska and Terezi talked about it while Karkat is just a shitty sex tool who can't voice his opinion.
But don't worry, after the omegapause, he will talk with a random dreamghost and waste pages talking about his relationship with Dave ;^)
this pisses me off
I've been following the girl above on tumblr for about a year now, that's how long she's been around the fandom. obviously an artist in the making if you consider she's only 13, but if you compare her posts from when she first started using tumblr, to now, her art has just gotten worse.
why does everyone want to do this fucking short round and stumpy aesthetic? what is wrong with tumblr?
Tavrosprite is the most likely to do so IMO.
Vriska has already created an antagonist she couldn't handle through terrible prototyping decisions involving first guardians. It will happen again.
Seriously, her dialogue after the GCATavrosprite thing boils down to
"He totally won't wake up and wreak havoc under the possible influence of )(IC, because he's totally under my control like that, right? He's going to be thankful and not misuse these powers in any way, right? Right?"
No way he'll praise Vriska for it or shrug it off (although he's been shown to be extremely solid psychologically so I won't totally rule that out).
But all things considered I think shit is more likely to go down in impressive ways.
A. Vriska would need to be in the session for something bad to happen to her at the hands of gcatavros
B. (calliope) and jade are heading towards the green sun, so what are the chances it gets taken out before tavros can do anything with his first guardian powers?
C. Vriska said she scouted out the session with time travel so she should know if this would blow up in her face. (jasprose and davepeta slightly contradict this)
D. If gcatavros becomes some type of badass wouldn't vriska's whole "I'm doing all these horrible things to tavros to toughen him up" just be validated?
on 21 oct 2015 the shit hit the fan
more actual information is out there if you take like 5 seconds to look at the (former) employee's linkedins/twitters/tumblrs/whatevrs at around that time
also maybe don't bother them since their lives probably suck enough already
Looking at the dialogue again
>DAVE: i think all thats mixed up with the same phony ideals about heroism
>DAVE: like living up to the storybook idea of what a hero to me feels almost interchangeable with living up to societys snapshot of what a hard manly dude should be
>DAVE: i stopped pretending i could ever live up to either thing a while ago
>DAVE: and mainly have spent time looking back on the sheer magnitude of all my "joking around"
All the claims about him taking on "toxic masculinity" are rather overblown, it's all still about Dave's inner insecurities that's been imposed on by Bro in the end.
Honestly the over obviousness of it is why I think Davekat's not actually going to happen., or at least not going to be endgame.
Honestly artists attempting to apply/ape the Steven Universe style is more unappealing than just imitating anime style cause SU's style really only works with SU and not much elsewhere.
you think that's bad?
not hating on the artist or whatever, but these are some jarring contrasts. nice conformity there.
A. If he wakes up, he'll be able to teleport across the session, the edges of which contain the bubbles. If he doesn't, well, we don't know how dreaming sprites work, so we can't really make any suppositions.
B. Has anything really been hinting towards alt Calliope destroying the Green Sun? And isn't her whole deal about not influencing the session?
C. If Vriska was as careful and competent as she claims to be, things wouldn't blow up in her face in a regular fashion. Pretty doubtful IMO. She was very intent on saving up extra kernelsprites, but like you point out, Rosesprite and Davepetasprite happened nonetheless.
D. I was thinking more like in a way she doesn't want. If he fucks over her friends or the session, she's more likely to have an "oh god what have I done" moment. Doubly so if she can't do anything about it.
And anyway (Tavros) already proves that her toughening crap was absolutely unnecessary, since he's able to act like a badass in the ways he wants.
It's a real shame that Hiveswap is gonna crash and burn. I really don't know why they didn't go for a fucking point and click 2D adventure game. Its very easy to program and you cocksuckers are basically 90% artists.
Its a shame but boy howdy is it fun to watch this trainwreck
Well I guess this is what has been happening with Hiveswap...
>everyone forgets about the method with Aranea porting herself to Jade's planet by waking up Gamzee in the dreambubble
>but instead replace Gamzee with Karkat and Aranea with Vriska
That's the only solution for GTavsprite to fuck her up.
A. His sleepbubble above his head was white and not dream bubble black.
B. (calliope) gave a whole speech about how dangerous space players are while heading towards the green sun with jade. The green sun being the source of doc scratch's powers (Lord english's current host)
D. If gcatavros fucks the session up then that would screw over the humans/terezi/kanaya then vriska, and do you really want another "oh god what have I done" speech from vriska at this point. (how many has she had at the point, 3?
She would just end up outside the denizen lair with karkat (remember how jade wouldn't even mess with the denizens) and she could easily just put tavros back to sleep and just head back out to the dreambubbles. Do you really want karkat to have been put to sleep by kanaya just so he could vriska back anyway?
>She could easily just put Tavros back to sleep
Or Tavros realizes he can mindcontrol himself to stop being mindcontrolled.
>Do you really want karkat to have been put to sleep by kanaya just so he could vriska back anyway?
It would be fucking hilarious. Even better if they were having a fight and he accidentally dragged Vriska back. And fuck having him as epilogue character. He needs to participate in the battle.
>just head back out to the dreambubbles
>"Karkat / WV / green skeletor please knock me the fuck out"
>imagine Vriska hitting her head on a cave wall
>Or Tavros realizes he can mindcontrol himself to stop being mindcontrolled.
He'd only be able to control his animal half not the half vriska put to sleep while being outside the session.
I remember the mind controlling himself conversation from the other day but has that actually ever been said to be possible in story.
>He needs to participate in the battle.
The story has gone out of its way to say that's not going to happen. Either dreambubble army or epilogue.
Same way she went the first time, one of those fenestrated walls. If she has roxy's gun in her inventory why not the walls they'd been putting up all over the session for jane.
>The story has gone out of its way to say that's not going to happen
>because he can't kill plot armour cloun
Why the fuck is he even a Knight in Sburb? He should have been a Seer or Heir, at least it fits with him not being allowed to fight.
I'm pretty sure his knight of blood powers are meant to be used in a more metaphysical sense then a physical one. Like, I don't think he's gonna start slashing blood waves with his sickle like he's inuyasha or something. More like he's going to use his emotional connections (blood) with his friends to assemble the dreambubble army into a fighting force against Lord English.
BUT TAVROS ALREADY DID HIS JOB
MEENAH ALREADY DID HIS JOB TO LEAD THE ARMY
WHAT THE FUCK IS KARKAT GOOD FOR?
The army is just kinda standing around not doing anything. The person in charge (meenah) just gave a speech saying anyone without fighting abilities should go in front to be cannon fodder. They need someone to actually LEAD the army.
>What we want:
>Karkat leads the ghost army and defeats Lord English
>What we will get
>Vriska gets all the credit for defeating LE, celebrates with the dreamghosts and then gives a speech about friendship and teamwork
>Meenah is Meenah and did her purpose on selling pisces shirts for the store
>(Tavros) is the pooplord, gets to meet (Vriska) and then they become a couple
>Karkat gets bullied by Vriska for being more worthless than Tavros and actually thinking he has a chance to lead the army
>even makes fun of him for being shit at romance and losing his matesprit ship with Terezi
>taunts him to go back to sucking dave's dick
>he cries and runs away like a bitch
There you go.
>and then gives a speech about friendship and teamwork
More like, she gives an speech about how they were successful because they followed her orders.
>(Tavros) is the pooplord, gets to meet (Vriska) and then they become a couple
Not gay enough.
Ah, the difference between the characters who are actually in the comic and the characters who Tumblr fans WISH were in the comic. It's surreal how divorced this fandom has become from the source material.
It's funny because what these comparisons actually show is "how I saw the characters when I was reading the comic" vs. "how I pretend that I see the characters after being exposed to tumblr".
This honestly goes for the differences between the characters before and after the gigapause. I definitely think the writing has suffered, but a bit reason the comic is on the downturn in popularity is that characters in canon just don't act how fans want them to.
Is there other reference to Ender's Game than the "the last egg of an alien species which is the only hope to revive it"? I was rereading Ender's game and found that some of the Peter-Valentine dialogue had a Dave-Rose feeling. Wondered if it was a influence for Hussie.
dave in fact says that there's no such thing as sexuality and being outside of human civilization lets them have no orientation.
this is about the only pandering he does that kinda works, since tumblr people want to indulge in this fantasy through fiction. Since if they tried it in real life, their brains would scream at them about undermining gay activism.
Like I said last thread, they probably got finished with the game and now are firing everybody because, as noted before, they are wildly inexperienced and they'll probably hire more professionals if he makes enough money for the rest of the game
Wait, what the fuck are you talking about? I thought we were talking about the Odd Gentleman Business.
Is this new? Because I can't tell the fuck is going on in that reddit link you gave.
Okay, here's a timeline for you, so maybe you can understand everything that's happened.
2013: Hussie hires TOG.
2013-2014: TOG flakes out. Hussie wastes months trying to get them to hold up their end of the contract and finally pulls the plug.
2014-2015: What Pumpkin switches gears and starts developing the game in-house. They hire a bunch of artists.
7/2015: The TOG scandal breaks on Tumblr. WP denies everything.
10/2015: WP fires a bunch of animators for mysterious reasons.
12/2015: Hussie and Rachel both erase their entire internet presence. WP goes radio silence.
Let me add more shit:
>while Karkat is crying like a bitch on a desolated place, he sees (Karkat) and (Terezi) proposing to each other
>he gets raped by Cronus
>finally wakes up after the battle is over
>everyone is celebrating
>Karkat is just awkwardly standing around and not saying anything
>Vriska finds a new bully target aka Karkat
>Dave finally admits his feelings to Karkat
>Karkat is happy for once
>but it only lasts for two months and Dave already regrets his decision and hunts for Jane now
>every troll gets revived
>Nepeta lost interest to Karkat, because he is too silent and lonely
>Vriska keeps on bullying him harder
>even Eridan, Gamzee and Equius don't want to deal with Karkat
>Karkat finally wants to commit suicide with a prototyped gun
>suddenly Vriska storms in and drags over a shot troll corpse on his hive
>because Vriska is the hero, everyone in troll society believes her and Karkat gets sent to jail
>he gets raped and beaten up there
>finally found peace by choking himself to death with his own fist
I just wrote Karkat's character arc. Rate and subscribe.
posting the hiveswap development timeline BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STILL CONFUSING THE TOG DRAMA WITH THE WP STAFF BEING FIRED
>implying Jane is not hot
It says in the log that she and her boyfriend were laid off on October 21.
So a good handful of employees were laid off for most likely financial reasons, it all depends on what stage of development the game is on, which we still don't know of as far as I can see.
> Technically neither of us were fired, we were 'laid off', it wasn't due to us fucking up essentially. Read between the lines :) We lost our health insurance on the 31st, and because Sergio was contract, and they let him go a few weeks after the fall semester started, he (1) can't file for unemployment benefits (2) can't do anything until the Spring semester (3) is having difficulty finding work elsewhere because our product has not been released yet. Anyone wanna hire a unity programmer?
Can someone explain to me the employment lingo?
"Fired" means you were doing a bad job and they kicked you out to limit the damage. "Laid off" means the actual job went away, either because the company can't afford it or because they shut down that project/department.
>Hussie fucked over several people's lives
>because of TOG scamming him
No wonder Hussie is pandering to Tumblr hard with the latest Homestuck updates. Wouldn't surprise me if Davekat actually becomes canon, so Hussie can swim with the media money.
>No wonder Hussie is pandering to Tumblr hard with the latest Homestuck updates.
There has been no more pandering than average.
I mean, fuck, he even broke up one of the lesbian pairing and kicked one of them in her figurative balls.
The studio has been reduced to its bare-bone.
I'd say Hussie&co are trying to reduce all cost at minimal up until they have a story-cart solid enough to re-hire developers.
At the least I hope that means that Part 1 is nearly done, it would be the absolute worst case scenario that they have to build the game up from scratch yet again.
And also why does it need to be some sort of competition whether UT is better? I'm fully able to enjoy both when Hiveswap comes out, and Andrew and Toby are still going to be close buddies either way.
It's not about competition. It's about Homosuck being shit. Hussie isn't allowed to make a good game after all the shit we've been put through because of how early he insisted on making it.
Well there goes my thirty bucks. Th-that's okay.
HAH, TOO LATE, LITERALLY TOOK THIS ONE MINUTE BEFORE IT WENT DOWN
i am the guy who made the original post about the state of affairs, i took it down after the person asked me to edit out the twitter pics and i decided just for caution to delete the whole thing, i did that after that person rebloged it and i didnt realize it would delete his own post as well
she just wanted to deny that her tweets about how one should develop a game had nothing to do with what pumpkin, she was fine with the rest because she realised transparency was needed and also that she had already made those statements public.
her only objection was with me drawing a conection between those tweets and the fact that everyone at what pumpkin had been fired
>Hussie isn't allowed to make a good game after all the shit we've been put through because of how early he insisted on making it.
All we got from it was hiatus. From a comics we don't even pay to read.
You have one big sense of entitlement, there.
>Fucked up MSPA's rapid update schedule
>Made Hussie forget how to draw and write well
>Had its money stolen by one studio,
>Ran out of the remaining money funding a studio made from scratch
>Killed Hussie's dad
I think we can safely say Hiveswap was a mistake.
the strange thing is that Homestuck human characters aren't canonically white (i think), they are generic white so people can make their own headcanons.... the problem is that SJW-safe headcanons are fucking shitty, i can't stand the fact of seeing another Jade with Rastas and black skin.. IT FUCKING SUCKS!
It's a bit peculiar!
Here's the complete text of Act 5. Ctrl-F the word "pink" and you'll see that over and over again the human characters are all described as pink-skinned.
Then, around act 6, these references stopped and Hussie suddenly started referring to the characters as "aracial" with no canon skin colour, despite having consistently written them as caucasian before. He even tried to make a joke about it with the whole Trickster arc, but found that he no longer had an audience with the sensibilities to handle that level of irony.
If you'll notice, it mainly only happens when Jane is in her evil form.
I guess evil girls can't be fat because it ruins the "sexy skintight evil seductress" image. Or fat girls can't be evil. Or something.
it's been some time i didn't checked homestuck, i didn't know about that.
also, is it just me or Davepetasprite was just a way to add an androgynous character to appeal to tumblr? yeah i've seen some andro fan art of him... her?
Pink refer to thei baby form, and all mixed race babies are pink and only get shade later.
It has never been a proof of anything.
Bro is the only one confirmed to be White. (mind you, it's the race he is given in most fan-arts).
>Then, around act 6, these references stopped and Hussie suddenly started referring to the characters as "aracial" with no canon skin colour, despite having consistently written them as caucasian before
he never drew them as caucasian. The a-racial was a very early one statement (most babies are born pink, anyway at least the babies who are of mixed race)
The only change was that he jokingly first said they weren't black and later said it was okay to perceive them as black.
Honestly Davepeta was probably added to set up the humanimal abomination bro hug moment IPGD drew, but nobody remembers that moment because the joke was fleeting and forgettable and Davepeta still exists after it.
But the complain was about >>78029175
>i can't stand the fact of seeing another Jade with Rastas
If you are talking about the Troll, I don't see the issue. Especially if it's Meenah we are talking about, who is basically a Sassy black Queen stereotype.
It thought the race debate was about the human character, non of them have rastas. They been all along with their default hairstyle that never changed.
Remember how after Vriskagram everything seemed off? How every changed sounded different not just in personality, but also written voice? That hasn't been explained and it didn't un-happen.
Also why would you even defend replacing three years' worth of content to bring back the author's favorite base breaker, Jesus fuck.
I doubt it will be forgotten. After all the recent usptage the Sprite have done, with Jasprosprite, DapetaSprite, and DOuble NannaSprite, it's more than likely they will have a role to play.
>Remember how after Vriskagram everything seemed off? How every changed sounded different not just in personality, but also written voice?
No. I have no idea what you are tlaking about.
>Also why would you even defend replacing three years' worth of content to bring back the author's favorite base breaker, Jesus fuck.
Except it hasn't been replaced, it has been modified. Eveyrthing we have seen so far that isn't contradicted by the Viskagram is still canon. Especially what happened in PAradoxSpace.
What? I thought we were talking about "Race Fan-art stuff getting in the comic" there>>78029312
>some of that got in the comic in his defense
Specifically, in the Viskagram flash
>it did, check the vriskagram flash and you'll see the afroamerican hairstyles
But you might not be the same anon.
EB: if you say so.
AG: Now quit whining and get yourself out of this mess.
AG: Dig deep down inside that pink, nerdy little torso of yours, find your awesome hero mojo, and do what you're a8out to do.
AG: I will talk to you again after you figure it out.
TC: AlRiGhT My pInKeSt oF MoThErFuCkIn sTaR MoNkEyS
TC: ArE YoU ReAdY
TC: To gEt tHe hOrNs yOu dOnT HaVe
TC: CoNfIsCaTeD AlL LiKe tHe mOtHeRfUcKiN HoNkTrAbAnD ThEy aRe
TC: BeInG AlL IlLiCiT As tHe vAsT JoKe iTsElF
TC: AnD ThEn
TC: HaNdEd aT RiGhT BaCk tO YoU?
CG: WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS
CG: THEY ARE ALL LUDICROUSLY INCOMPETENT.
CG: SOFT, PINK FRAGILE THINGS WHO DO NOTHING BUT WASTE TIME.
CG: THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE HORNS!
These are all OBVIOUSLY references to the kids as they exist in the present-tense, as teenagers. Eridan refers to them as being pink as babies, but otherwise Gamzee, Karkat and Vriska are all talking about fully mature, non-infant people as being pink.
the moneysponge of homestuck couldn't have run dry yet
it got lost in the jumble of awful text
it's like the only joke in the newest pages so it came out of nowhere and doesn't match the tone
>it's like the only joke in the newest pages
Are you fucking serious?
The whole Tavros Dance.
The whole convo between Dave and Roxy
Karkat throwing a complete angry tantrum at the mere suggestion from John that Dave and him might be together.
Vriska Vs Vriska and Vriska having a complete meltdown.
they come off less like jokes and more as weird relationship nonsense.
in the past hussie wrote ridiculous jokes like, say, having a bro with a fixation on puppets and irony. and now we're supposed to take that seriously. why should we take less ridiculous events as jokes, too?
>, say, having a bro with a fixation on puppets and irony. and now we're supposed to take that seriously.
TT: No, it was genuine.
TT: The upper echelons of irony should always include measures of sincerity. And if the satirical practice is executed faithfully it will achieve something bona fide in its own right regardless.
TT: Through an intense commitment bordering on religious devotion to the absolutely inane, absurd, or plain fucking stupid, a very different kind of sincerity begins to materialize. One of reverence to the ridiculous. You begin to "mean it," but what exactly it is you mean is never quite what appears on the surface, and is utterly inaccessible to obtuse and literal minds. That you "mean it" then becomes inseparable from the joke, and additional rich strata of humor may be stripped aggressively from this irreconcilable truth.
>in the past hussie wrote ridiculous jokes like, say, having a bro with a fixation on puppets and irony. and now we're supposed to take that seriously.
How fucking new? are you. One of the big things of Homestuck is to take plenty of silly joke and turn them into something much more important.
Its the comic that took an eviscerated doll and turned it into a destroyer of the universe.
They are still joke and should still be taken as such. that doesn't forbid them from becoming more later.
I don't know how you maneged to read the comic so far without getting this.
It WAS played seriously. It was to show that Dave's bro was a fucking weirdo that Dave pretty much worshipped because he thought he was so cool for doing things nobody normal would do just to be ironic
This is a completely different kind of serious. The doll and silly clothes and all those cakes turned out to be plot important lead to an engaging and well developed story.
Dave's brother being outed as abusive was only important inso far as a "And that's TERRIBLE", wag of the finger Sunday school kind of way. It doesn't serve to better the story or any of the characters in anyway but just kind of draws attention to itself like a huge big lipped alligator moment.
>Dave's brother being outed as abusive was only important inso far as a "And that's TERRIBLE", wag of the finger Sunday school kind of way.
And it still remain a joke that can be taken like that.
>It doesn't serve to better the story or any of the characters in anyway but just kind of draws attention to itself like a huge big lipped alligator moment.
Except not at all. It is and has always been important for the development of Dave. It was always important, and leaving it unaddressed would have been a big hole in the writing.
The convo beween Dirk and Bro is one of the most touching in the comic.
It is a joke and it is important too. One does not forbid the other. One of the core component of humor is an help to cope with bad situation.
it was also funny. just like jack going on a rampage because he didn't like his clothes was funny.
nowadays its hard to see what hed consider a joke. odd things just happen while they talk about their feelings.
Of course, that shit's hilarious. That's half of why people like the comic, it's that he can take stuff that he made a joke about 1000 comics ago and make it a serious threat, like LE. He was just a Midnight Crew villain until Hussie made him the BBEG
>nowadays its hard to see what hed consider a joke.
Davepeta ARqius hug
Vriska having a mental breakdown because Tavros was competant.
A super awkard convo between Dave And Hotmom (I was in those fucking thread when it happened, absolutely everyone loved it).
Silly Tavros Dance.
>odd things just happen while they talk about their feelings.
You can be sure there will be hilarious stuff in that. It's always then that there are the most funny thing.
Look, I'll be the first to admit that there is so much evidence and little cues that Dave was gay, you could paint a ghetto with it in rainbow colours. His very first conversation with Tavros and his "I love him" comment towards John made it strikingly obvious.
That doesn't make the development really fucking stupid. It's not really funny, it isn't even a joke.
John and Rose's parents dying off-screen brutally and yet being treated as a casual thing is a joke. Jane losing her shit to Caliborn's harassment, all of the kids going Trickster, even their sappy spoon croon on the quest beds together was all played like a bad joke. Even half the shit that Vriska does amounts to a gag, from berating herself, to building herself up and having it end in her usual egotism and tantrums. Those had clear deliveries and humorous payoff.
But Dave COMING OUT and having an intense emotional conversation with Dirk, that wasn't played for laughs at all. He played that one completely straight, as much as his brother being an Abuser. No gags about floppy weiners or how his brother mistreated him had a silver lining, it was just straight up whining.
It wasn't much of a joke, and until we see the payoff of how Dave being abused by Bro ends up being important, it's pretty dumb.
It's kind of like all the incest innuendo Dave makes. Did you know he makes a lot of that? Probably as much as him being gay. But if we had a serious conversation and introspective moment where he confronts his desire to fuck Roxy or his sister, it'd be weird and creepy as shit. Sure there'd be a backing and precedent for it, but it'd still be way stupid.
John's dad smothering him with cakes was a joke.
Jade's Grandpa being stupidly triggerhappy and careless with guns, leading to his own death was a joke.
Mom's alcoholism was treated like a joke.
You know why? They all got over it and none of them took it dead seriously. The only reason people take Dave's treatment with any austerity is because it was shown in the comic that he's still sore about it. No one that cares about him being abused by Bro seems to be demanding that Rose confront her mother's alcoholism or John's Dad's neglect.
>That doesn't make the development really fucking stupid. It's not really funny, it isn't even a joke.
I am stopping you right now and I don't think I should bother reading the rest.
Dave MAYBE turning bi, is not the development I am talking about.
I am talking about first and foremost about his relationship with his brother and how he perceive hiumself, what it means to him to be a hero, what he want to become later on. How he grew up to relalize he was trying to stuck to an ideal he didn't really believe and that all in all was his Brother/father, a man he realize was an awful person he has grew to despite.
And he has to reconcile that notion with liking himself for who he is, while also accepting that Bro was a bad person, wile at the same time acknowledging he was trying to be like him is an huge part for Dave.
That's the center and heart of his two convos with Dirk and it turn out into Dave being happy to finally having a bro he can love that is a decent person: Dirk.
That Dave might come out is only a very small part of all this and of actual minor importance.
It can almost be considered as an aftermath: Dave having finally found out a real Bro worth of loving, ask him for little real life tips, as a bro would actually help out.
Dave maybe coming out wasn't played at all. It's barely an opening for the next conversation, in no way a conclusion.
And those two convos were loaded with small jokes everywhere.
You are trying to make a big deal and the corner stone of something that was more of an incidental value.
>that wasn't played for laughs at all. He played that one completely straight
I'd say, there might be a good chance it's played for laugh. A lot of people think of Davekat, but seeing how Karkat reacted when John implied that ship, it's actually not happening. No Dave's love is actually already know. he is in love with the Mayor
>The only reason people take Dave's treatment with any austerity is because it was shown in the comic that he's still sore about it. No one that cares about him being abused by Bro seems to be demanding that Rose confront her mother's alcoholism or John's Dad's neglect.
Dude, bith Rose's mom drinkness and Jon's dad action were addressed. And John's dad never neglected him. quite on the contrary.
They also weren't TRYING to neglect them. The worst thing Mr. Egbert ever did was throw a pie in his face, and he didn't realize that John didn't appreciate it, because he thought John genuinely enjoyed the tomfoolery and John knows this
Grandpa was just an idiot that thought giving small children weapons wouldn't lead to anything bad happening, and Jade knows this (and she at least got a dog that could bend space to compensate for it)
Ms. Lalonde knew that her alcoholism was bad for Rose, but she tried to make up for it by spoiling her with gifts and affection, and Rose eventually figured this out
Bro? We have no idea why he did any of the shit he did, other than that he liked doing it. If he was preparing Dave for Sburb (which is doubtful, considering that there's no way he could've possibly known about the game or what happens inside the game until afterwards), that would be one thing, but until we find out his real motivation, we have to assume that he was just doing it for whatever reason he could think of at the time (I seriously doubt he hated Dave, though)
>Toby Fox is truly the best thing to come out of Homestuck.
Nice b8 m8. Toby is one of a kind. Gave me a full game and soundtrack.
Will the guy who irrationally hates Karkat and Vriska fuck off already?
What, so he can lose our money to thieving assholes again? I wouldn't trust that fuck with a souvenir penny. He even appears to have thrown the rest of the funds away all by himself.
>analizing these characters as if they even come close to somewhat resembling normal human behaviour
every way they have ever acted, reacted or conversed was either for a laugh, or to advance the story.
they lost the slightest chance to be "realistic characters" the second john did not begin sobbing when he realized A FUCKING VIDEO GAME was bending space around him and creating matter seemingly out of thin air
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But seriously, Dashcon did this. It only helped to be a joke.
Homestuck's characters don't have realistic reactions for shit like trauma and SBURB what the fuckery, but they're complex and lifelike in other ways, that's what makes them realistic.
yeah, so hard an manly.
its going to sound edgy as shit, but i wouldn't cry if i saw a bunch of kids getting killed.
something completely shattering pretty much everything you have ever thought is a different story
don't forget when john called bro white and when kanaya called rose pale as a ghost.
>EB: that's fine, you are entitled to your opinion, i am just saying that being a white guy who is a rapper with a ventriloquist doll is not cool by any stretch of the imagination or by any definition of word cool, ironic or otherwise. that's all i'm saying.
>How underwhelming. No horns. Skin as white as a ghost! You wonder how she manages to look in a mirror without falling asleep.
Reminds me of this image I made after seeing so many arguments about (vriska) and (terezi)
This fucking game, man. This bullshit is funnier than the comic's been in years.
Jade, like the rest of the Harleyberts is one of those people who always prefer to be optimistic both as a way to hide away all of her inner pain, and also to retain the hope that things will turn out for the better. She's a quirky, loving girl that has experienced, and is still experiencing a lot of suffering that she had little to no control over.
I'll bet dimes to dollars that he's working with Andrew in some way, moving forward.
Do people expect bad blood or something?
she's a bubbly sociable and extroverted girl despite being raised on an island in isolation with a dog
if you think she's characterized realistically there's nothing to say other than you're wrong
She got to play with Bec and wander in Prospit, and was able to talk with John, Rose and Dave soon after having her Grandpa got shot - those were probably the only things that got her to still stay alive then.
You know, the only character who really grew up in isolation was Jake, and he's obviously in pretty bad shape.
Every other seemingly isolated character?
we saw when john first talked with jade in the intro to a5a2; john was using his normal sprite by then so it probably took at least a few years for jade to download pesterchum and connect the dots between the letter and pesterchum
A wise man once told me, there has never been a bigger need for heroes and they have never been in such scarcity.
I think the only thing we can do is batten down the hatches until cartoon artists go with a different art style. Can we make it?
>What happened to the game?
Gearbox stole all the money now it's dead.
>Will we ever know what each aspect does?
>Was it the fandom or Hussie prolonging his comic/pandering to the wrong group that turned the comic into this terrible mess?
It was the beforus trolls.
i think their art improved, i really like the style on the right
not to say it was bad before, though.
this one feels like a step backward, though
i get that they were going for "more cartoony" which is a noble goal, but they sacrificed a lot of crispness and realism, too much for it to be good
unfortunate. it's like trying to learn a new style and just not quite getting it
What the fuck are you going on about? There's a huge difference between playing an advertised augmented reality game and seeing it do videogame stuff and getting fucking shot. No reasonable person is going to start the game, watch their friend expand their living room, then piss their pants, go into convulsions and curl up into the fetal position because reality as they knew it is a lie.
You know what we call shit we can't explain with science? Magic.
sure, but that's just a fact, it's not necessarily good or bad. me personally, i think it's good, i like the style. it's obvious that you and others here who don't like tumblr would disagree.
>April 13, 2016
>The new page isn't the final Flash
>It's an ad
>You have to buy the end of the story
>Hussie will sell you the Flash on DVD
>It's two hours long, so it's a good value
>He uses the funds raised to finish Hiveswap
>well you are wrong
does dave's hair being a bird have symbolic value? absolutely! is that a by-product of one particular symbolic rendition, and therefore not intrinsic to his character? also absolutely! see pic related. that is quite clearly dave, isn't it?
dave's hair being a bird is a quirk of his sprite, symbolically interesting but not important to his character.
I saw this on a post on tumblr where artist rebog their art and how they improve. Most of the people who reblog with their improve art was great, until I saw this.
I was like how the fuck was this an improvement. the draw on the left is way better than on the right. How do you call the drawing on the right an improvement!? HOW!?
she's still got an enraged expression, bu ti suppose you're right that the humour of the first one was in the exaggerated unnatural grimace
the second one makes her look more real, like a face a person could actually make
Does anybody think it's weird that supposedly Hussie was writing Hiveswap over 2 years ago, and yet supposedly Skullmandible is still writing Hiveswap right now? Doesn't it seem really fucking weird that he's now hired and then dumped two entire game dev teams during this time period? All the while, the writing and maybe seemingly the design for the game is incomplete?
>advertised augmented reality game
was it really advertised at that? i thought no one except jade had any idea what it did or that it had greater consequences than a regular game.
but then reality starts getting altered and hes just like "wow, that's a thing that's happening."
>No reasonable person is going to start the game, watch their friend expand their living room, then piss their pants, go into convulsions and curl up into the fetal position because reality as they knew it is a lie.
a 13 year old weinie like john was might have.
You're missing the point. It's not about the amount of writing and designing or how long it takes to do it, which I'm sure is vast.
It's that it seems likely that he hired a dev team to start making the game before it was actually even ready to be made in the first place. Twice.
he is not very good at what he is doing
honestly hiveswap has been a mistake from the beginning but he's 2.5 mill into it now and he can't just go "lol sorry bit off more than i can chew making a video game is hard"
Hiveswap on paper sounds okay. Like the Stick of Truth really. But right now it looks like it'll have every problem that's currently plaguing homestuck with it.
>was it really advertised at that?
That's its classification under the Gamefaqs walkthroughs page, and Sburb was a highly anticipated game worldwide. Jade didn't know shit about it, she just saw glimpses of the future and put some pieces together. She doesn't normally play videogames like the other three do.
>a 13 year old weinie like john was might have.
Which is totally why John died from that meteorite impact, right? If some dumbass is going to dawdle researching the magic the game presents too long or crying in a corner, then they're gonna bite it and weren't cut out to survive anyway. Sburb handles like a videogame to make its magic user-friendly. The people who aren't clinically retarded and can suspend disbelief are the ones that get to progress.
chin too big.
a lot of artists need to study skeletal differences. Especially differences in skull differences between men and womne.
It's as if people forget sexual dimorphism is a thing
well it's more of a "I don't know" thing than a "I don't care" thing.
>all men have a certain type of chin and all women have a different type of chin
sexual dimorphism is a thing but it's not that rigid you moron.
this is like seeing a woman with a big chin and saying "oh you must not be a woman" like you fucking know anything
Well then doing this works if you want to make a manly female character or some shit like that I guess, but still, this screws up the whole fanart because I really dont think that jade is suposed to have a manly face
>it's a trollcops fic
>karkat, terezi, sollux, kanaya, equius and tavros work for the police
>chasing down Eridan, Gamzee and Vriska
>Karkat is the unluckiest and weakest member who always jobs, even Tavros is better than him
>all the others are professionals
>Eridan has been dealt with Sollux and the hostage Feferi
>Gamzee has been dealt with Kanaya and Equius prioritizing others than his fetish
>Vriska being chased down by Terezi and Tavors
>gives a speech about trollcops city knowing fear soon while quoting batman movie lines
>crashes on Karkat Vantas
>her sudden realization that not Terezi, Tavros nor John caught her (for her epic batman vs joker moment she planned)
>it was the weak manlet who shouts a lot
>she ends up snapping and being send to a mental asylum (the other two went to jail normally, also Vriska just ruined her whole reputation with that childish tantrum) while everyone praises Karkat as the hero they deserve
This is what the internet is for.
She learned to be social with her friends.
>LOL internet recluse being social
But since she is little she has been frequenting and being social with all of Propit's population, including royalty.
>expecting somebody to keep their dummy blog up when everyone involved is telling them that he's causing way more trouble and could drag some already poor people down farther
It's not like people haven't screencapped it already anyway.
You can still see their post, search the hiveswap tag and go to ipgd's tumblr. He also wrote a long creepy post about everything she's done regarding Toby and Homestuck and she got pissed.
Okay, as someone who's familiar with this kind of thing when shit like this happens it's always one of a few reasons, Drama, lack of money, lack of planning, it's dead, or it's done
From what has been said I think we can rule out Drama, there didn't seem to be any big fights leading up to it so that's probably not the cause
There's a lot of talk about it being dead but I don't think it's that, from what little's been said development is intended to go on but most of the team is gone, this could just be a handful of people working away at something that'll never live but I think it's more likely something else, Hussie is determined as hell when it comes to making things but he has been known to drop projects when they've turned out to be more than he can handle regardless of how much his fans want it
The one everyone's talking about is lack of money, but while it is a possibility, I don't think it's just that, lack of planning (or realizing the current plan will cause a lack of money) is probably a bigger part of it, from the tweets and various other rumors it sounds like it's fairly well along but they ran into issues that could have been prevented with some foresight or better testing. Testing in particular is a big trap, it comes at the end and is often the first thing to get it's time or money trimmed when something else in the schedule goes wrong, if they tried to rush things to get it done when they planned only to find when they finally tested it nothing worked? That could cause a huge delay as they have to go back and start fixing things. Another possibility from what's been said is that lack of organization in the scheduling led to certain parts getting done too early, trapping development in a bottle neck as everyone waits for other parts to catch up, this is unlikely.
Either way, this would lead to several people having nothing to do and if Hussie realized he couldn't afford to keep everyone on full time while the problems are solved (or just felt the need to hunker down and save money in case something like this happened again), people would have to be laid off, which could result in loss of talent and time if they do need their skills again as they'll either have to bring them back in, or train someone new in how the game works before they can put them to work. (a larger company could have the current workers transferred to another project to preserve working knowledge of the system but Hussie doesn't have that option)
The final possibility, that it's done, is unlikely. Or at least that it's done done, there have been rumors that it's very near completion, particularly from just before everyone started getting laid off. Some of what's been said implies bugs, and there's a possibility that if they waited until it was "done" to test and are only now finding many of them, then there could be a playable, if very buggy version of Hiveswap somewhere and now they're trimming all unnecessary personnel as they fix it.
Another more remote possibility is that PART of the game is done and Hussie doesn't feel like he needs all those people any more, unlikely given the sudden laying off of everyone but if Hussie, or anyone he'll listen to under him, has no knowledge of how to properly manage his employees then it's possible. This kind of thing would likely led to loss of talent and increasing the possibility that the game would be completed, but would be in an unpolished state as the finishing touches aren't quite as skillfully applied