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>Multiverse level threats tier
1 - Darksied (I don't like it but his upgrade is very obvious)
2 - Anti-Monitor (He was the perfect #1, rarely used and mysterious)

>Universe-wide level threats
3 - Brainiac

>Earth-wide level threats
4 - Black Adam
5 - Eclipso
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>>77975395
>>Multiverse level threats tier
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>>77975446
Depends who Paralax host is
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>>77975395
Anti Monitor is stronger than Darkseid,

Also Dark Monitors and he Gentry need to be on there
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>>77975446
Parallax will kill Hal for stopping being God.
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>>77975470
I mean OG Parallax

Nigga tried to rewrite the multiverse
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>Multiverse level threats tier
1. The empty hand
2 - Darksied
3 - Anti-Monitor

>Universe-wide level threats
4 - Brainiac
5 - Parallax

>Earth-wide level threats
6 - Black Adam
7 - Eclipso
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>>77975679
Brainiac fucked around with multiverse, anon.
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>>77975715
Brainiac got fucked by the multiverse and learned his place
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>>77975746
Ending was such letdown.
>yeah guys, I turned into dickish monster, my bad. Here, there are your worlds and sorry for stealing you from your times.
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>>77975836
I like seeing bad guy do some good tbqh even if all he wanted was his body back
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>>77975865
Yeah, we got Multiverse out of that.
And Earth 2 continued to exist.
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>>77975395
>Anti Monitor over Darkseid

The D-man is a good second but we're talking about a being that destroyed countless universes. In fact that was literally his power.
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>>77976815
>nu52
Darksied War, lad
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>>77976886
>jew52
not canon
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>>77976919
Sorry Anon, but it's the only thing that IS canon now.
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>>77976969
nah
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>>77975395
I have only really seen the Anti Monitor in COIE and Infinite Crisis. Where can I read more of him, I like him a lot

I hear he shows up in Green Lantern stuff a lot but I have never really read a direct GL book. Only events or tie ins
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>>77977076
Sinestro Corps War, Blackest Night, Darkseid War
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>>77977100
That was quick. Thanks
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>>77975679

That should read

>Omniverse-level threats
The Empty Hand

>Multiverse-level threats
Darkseid
Antimonitor
Bleediac

>Universe-wide level threats
Parallax

>Earth-wide level threats
Black Adam
Eclipso
A bunch of other people
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>>77977141

Fuck forgot to take off my name
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>>77976919
This was true before new 52, read final crisis.
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>>77976886

Well he still fucked up the Crime Syndicate's world. And he mined the anti life equation, and merged it with death and Flash.

Just wait for him to become a big guy again.
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>>77977215
I have read Final Crisis, and Darkseid is not more powerful than the Anti-Monitor in it, no is he even the primary villain of FC.
The vampire monitor is.
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>>77977116
His very rare appearances are what make him special

Conversely, Thanos is pimped out in multiple books every year, used in comedy bits and is now completely worthless
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>>77977299
*nor
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>>77977277
>Darkseid fucked Earth-2
>Anti-Monitor fucked Earth-3

Darkseid is ahead so far
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>>77977353

I still maintain that what fucked Earth 2 was the Gentry. Darkseid and Apokalips was merely the means to an end to accomplish it. The Anti-Life equation perverted to serve the Anti-Death equation, as the suffering of that book and its continued prolonged zombie-like existence with no thought or care put into its characters or ideas, continues long past the threat of Darkseid within Worlds End.
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>>77975395
>>77976815
So are those lips or teeth?
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Brainiac got upgraded to multiverse level though with the Bleediac shit.
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>>77977353

Well everything is reset. Before that Anti Monitor had an infinite number. Give the guy some time to get ahead again.

>>77977393

It's best to think of Morrison's stuff as separate from everything else until DC decides to integrate it.
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>>77977405
Lips
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>>77977405
Lips.
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Shoutout to the Time Trapper, who has the ability to create pocket dimensions and basically do what Bleediac did that led to Convergence
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>>77977405

Lips.
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>>77977299
Darkseid winning caused the Multiverse to collapse, Ant-Monitor was slowly destroying Earths, Darkseid did it on go.
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Where does the Anti-Monitor fall before he absorbed the entirety of the antimatter universe? I mean Supergirl beat the shit out of him.
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>>77977457
>>77977482
>>77977491
I always thought they were bristles like a whale has.
He now looks a lot less cool and creepy to me.
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>>77977453
>It's best to think of Morrison's stuff as separate from everything else until DC decides to integrate it.

I dunno, I think Morrison's cosmology is just vague enough to accommodate everything else that happens.

The Gentry are driven by toxic ideas that breed in apathy. All I was trying to point out is that what killed Earth 2 was the fact that once Robinson left, no one gave a damn about the setting or characters and just saw a sandcastle to be kicked over and pissed on. That sort of mind-set is what the Gentry represents.
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>>77977531
That's how I'll always see him too
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>>77977538
>>77977453
>>77977393
Wasn't the cover of Multiversity shown during Bleediac's speech towards the end of Convergence?

That's got to mean something
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>>77977531
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>>77977502
'no'
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>>77976886
>>77976919
>>77976969
What is this Darkseid War? I heard from a friend that Darkseid did something like scatter himself into the multiverse so each fragment could become its own Darkseid. Then he would harvest and combine those fragments with the real Darkseid to make him even more powerful.

The way he explained it didn't make too much sense and maybe I misunderstood.
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>>77978336
Justice League story arc from the last 6 months
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>Krona
>Nekron
>Trigon
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So in recap

> Omniverse Level Threats

The Empty Hand
Mandrakk - he is the 'ultimate enemy' after all

> Multiverse Level

Darkseid
Antimonitor
Bleediac

> Universe Level

Parallax
Supermen when they 'punch realities' - Prime, mainly, but can be extended to include Supes and co

> Earth Level

Black Adam
Eclipso
Everyday Kryptonians (zod, etc etc)
Whole multitude of other people

Am I missing anyone noteworthy?

On a technical note, Superman(as well as prime etc) could be considered mutliversal, if they reality punch the main earth in the right way, bringing down the rest of the 'local multiverse'.

Also, question semi-kinda related to this stuff. Are there other groups of monitors out there, that preside over the universes beyond the 52? Been thinking about this a lot lately, now that 'everything is real' post convergence/multiversity etc. Does each multiverse in the omniverse have it's own set of monitors?
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>>77979023
adding a few more

>>77978930


> Omniverse Level Threats

The Empty Hand
Mandrakk - he is the 'ultimate enemy' after all

> Multiverse Level

Darkseid
Antimonitor
Bleediac
Nekron


> Universe Level

Parallax
Supermen when they 'punch realities' - Prime, mainly, but can be extended to include Supes and co
Trigon
Krona
Volthoom - I am unsure about him. Universal or Multi?

> Earth Level

Black Adam
Eclipso
Everyday Kryptonians (zod, etc etc)
Whole multitude of other people
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>>77979070

Volthoom so far only seems able to fuck with one universe at a time, I think.
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>>77977585
Why in the world would Anti-Monitor need or use a yellow power ring?
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>>77980323
He didn't actually have a ring, he's wearing the Sinestro Corps emblem as a show of force
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>>77980323
He's not. The Sinestro Corps was merely doing his bidding.
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>>77980380
This

He was the "guardian" of the sinestro corps

>>77979070
Bleediac is definitely not in the same league as Darksied and Anti-monitor.
Didn't he get trapped by Mr Terrific?
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>>77980458
>Bleediac is definitely not in the same league as Darksied and Anti-monitor.

but he's definitely above universal. So what, multi-universal?
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>>77980502

He operates outside of the scope of single universes, but really cannot affect events within the DCU Multiverse like the others can. What he does is influence the individual universes directly, what makes him different from regular Brainiac (his probes) is the fact that he can access more than one universe. I don't know what you would classify that as.
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>>77976969
>it's the only thing that IS canon now
That's a load of shit.
Besides the blanket effect that Convergence had that isn't likely to matter much, Pre-Flashpoint Superman and Lois are in the New 52 and Zero Hour Parallax has just dropped in.
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>>77980602
Still only a universal level threat due to his low power level

He's only capable of destroying one planet at a time like Mogul whereas Darksied can launch much larger scale wars
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There's also the Great Darkness who is the pressence' worse half.
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>>77980869
Entities don't count due to how rarely they're used
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>>77980869
>>77980904

Yeah they're sort of fundamental keystones of the DC cosmology. We're talking more about agents that work within that framework on different levels.
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>>77980693
>Besides the blanket effect that Convergence had that isn't likely to matter much

All Convergence did was just provide the same conclusion that Multiversity brought us, on a slightly smaller scale.

>the universe is truly infinite again
>there are multuple multiverses that make up the omniverse
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>>77977585
Lame.
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Why focus on only the villains? Surely the Guardians, the Spectre, the Emotional Spectrum creatures and other "good guys" should factor into this.
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>>77977531
They're not lips, they're his face, he has no lips
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>>77981685
Guardians are weak af
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>>77975395
Mandrakk is probably the biggest villain in DC, either him or The Darkness (from Hellblazer/Swamp Thing).
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>>77976815
Darkseid's slow death was going to erase all of existence and released Mandrakk upon the multiverse.
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>>77982699
It really depends on their depiction.
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>>77979070
So, considering his threat level, how did y'all feel about Anti-Monitor being taken out by a Warworld to the head?
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>>77975478
>including one shot villains
We will be here months. No.
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>>77981685
Emotional Spectrum creatures are dependant on their hosts, their respective corps are usually enough to subdue them
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>>77977508
>I mean Supergirl beat the shit out of him.
And she was weakened there in the Anti-Matter Universe. It's shown that kryptonian powers were lower there for some reason.
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>>77982828

Antimonitor can do all that by himself, without having to die. And he would've gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling heroes.
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>>77979070
>>77975679
Wrong

Empty Hand is not Multiversal or even Omniversal level enemy
He is literally part of Overmind
He is the villain on all levels of existence and doesn't seemingly have an upper limit

MORE IMPORTANTLY multiversity spells it out pretty plainly that you can't actually fucking beat Empty Hand, you can't just poof and punch him to death unlike even guys like Mandrakk
He can be fought, that's a constant process, but it's not a process that will ever come to a fruition until all consciousness in universe achieves Grant Morrisian spiritual uber-singularity
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>>77980869
Great Darkness and Pressence as it's explained in modern DC multiverse are but fragments of Overmind
If anything The Pressence and Darkness are minor representations of Empty Hand and the Creator Hand and they are both just hands of one being, the Overmind
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>>77983082
That wasn't how it happened. He was still killing GLs left and right, almost got Hawkman iirc. Superboy-Prime through him across the universe.
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>>77983550
Riiight, fuck, I'm dumb. I just remembered that part 'cause I loved it.
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>>77983451
I would say Empty Hand is 'omniversal-level.'
The difference is that the Empty Hand is based on an idea, essentially something that really exists and really does threaten the creative world, so he is the only true 'threat' of any omniversal-level threat.
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>>77976919
>>77977277
>>77978336
Anti Monitor KILLED Darkseid in Darkseid War

that comic is like a month old, jesus co
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>>77977502
Darkseid winning was because the Dark Monitor was leeching the universe, the whole rule that good wins stopped existing, thus Evil won.

the System was broken. ...

chrisy Hickman ripped THAT off too?
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>>77979023
Marvel has "The Beyond" where Beyonders and the Beyond (c) Corporation are from.
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>>77975395
Pretty sure Mr. Myzptlk needs to be on top. Him and Bat-Mite destroys the multiverse for FUN. Hell, they even do it weekly.
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>>77976886
You mean the war that Anti-Monitor completely won?

And you still rate Darkseid over him?
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>>77977141

This. Everything else is wrong
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>>77986073
It's a terrible comic by a writter that has no idea how to use the new gods, fuck you.
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>>77977531
Me too. I thought it was symbolic on how a whale filter feeds on krill, the Anti-Monitor was filtering through the multiverse and entire universes were nothing but krill to him.
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>>77977508
His power isn't physical so much, its energy

You could say that his attack power is beyond belief, but his body was just as breakable as anyone elses.

Because of this fact, he could keep coming back any time he was killed, since his real body was the energy, and his physical form was just the thing holding the energy together in one place.

He's rebuilt his body many times.

He's like a Celestial sort of
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>>77977538

>meta- bullshit

No thanks.
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>>77976969
Story over continuity now, remember? Nothing is canon anymore.
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>>77986389

But what if things are contradictory?
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>>77983451
I find it both amusing and depressing that the ultimate villain of all of fiction is the literal embodiment of "I got nothin'."
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>>77977508
Well before Supergirl got the drop on him, he was bitch slapping Superman pretty handily.

And despite the damage Supergirl caused him, it was more just an inconvenience, and then he killed her in one shot.
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>>77986358
>Real-World Threats
Editorial
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>>77976886
Darkseid war is shit. Johns take on the anti-monitor is just bad.
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>>77986446
the better story is the one that matters, survival of the fittest
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>>77986296
The hell you talking about?

Hell, he is like the one guy who remembers Metron ISN'T a New God
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>>77975478
Gentry is like... real world level threat, they transcend the comic world because in essence, they are us. not US us, but a lot of /co/ definitely qualifies as gentry
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>Multiverse
1. Anti-Monitor
2. Cripple Dying Darkseid
3. Blood Moon Brainiac
4. Butterfly Mr. Mind
5. Superboy-Prime juicing on exotic energies
6. Crazy Captain Atom

>Universe-wide
1. Nekron
2. Parallax
3. Brainiac
4. Oan Guardians
5. Sinestro Corps.

>Earth-wide
1. Warith
2. Superman
3. Black Adam
4. Major Force
5. Doctor Polaris
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>>77991721
>Superman
>villain
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>>77988175
I guess he's butthurt about the misinterpretation of the Black Racer. That's the only thing that was really a glaring mistake to me at least.
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