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How's Your Webcomic /hyw/

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>Post ideas, art, comics you've done
>Share your website/portfolio
>Ask for critique, information, or advice on writing or drawing
>Do some fanart for someone if you feel so inclined.
>Do some exercises. It'll be fun
>Practice Practice Practice
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>>77938164

Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag

Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:

>*-Let’s start of the list with a useful guide for PANEL LAYOUT:
http://innerspace.notonigon.com/?p=8

>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
PEOPLE: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV (embed)

>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'scribblehatch' or 'starlinemike' and they'll add you in.

discordia chatroom link: https://discord.gg/0ckxsOeUFTo3h7m4

Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qby0ed4aVpo [Embed] [Embed]

Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf

http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf

http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf


Paper Wings

http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/

https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

Comic Script: Plot to Outline

http://rocketbot.com/tutorials/626/writing-a-comic-script-from-plot-to-outline-to-final-draft
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please do reply to bones
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>>77938191

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mez7zaB6PoY
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Hey webcomic topic here's a webcomic.

http://ennuigo.smackjeeves.com/comics/
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>>77938164
But what number is it? #216?
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>>77938390

S-sure...
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>>77938463

HOLY FUCK.

YOU FORGOT THE NUMBER
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>>77938494

YOU'RE WELCOME
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>>77938495
i had a good laugh
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>>77938642
That's all I ever really wanted
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yay a new thread. i hope someone fixed the bits of the OP posts that need to be pruned
>>77938390
>forgot number
whatever, at least it's a thread.
>>77938294
>As much stock as I do
eep
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I didnt even plan this, it just suddenly occurred to me as the logical last step
once again apologies for how boring the inside of tomorrowyears temple is. My imagination for inanimate objects is shot.
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>>77938191
"Comic Script: Plot to Outline" -- the appears to be dead.
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Do people like it when you go into detail about how everything works? Or is it better left a mystery?

Like say, where magic comes from and how it's used.
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>>77940286
guess what genius
just like every other dumb question to ask

it depends on the context
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>>77940336
Alright. Thanks.
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>>77940286
It really depends on the manner of magic and the person. Some people like thinking about the mechanics, others like to keep it vague. Just go with your personal preference.
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I tend to think that magic should be kept vague. Makes it more Magical.

It should still be internally consistent though.
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>>77940286

Sorta depends how you wanna use it.

If, in your comic, it's a hard science, like: These components + this precisely resonant location + these exact words = magic. Then yeah, totally. Go into the math of magic.

But if it's a more "OoooOOOooo MAGIC!" sorta setting: keep it vague. The more mysterious magic is the more---well, "magical" it is.
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>>77940398
I dunno man, knowing the exact mechanics of Unsounded's magic system is pretty fucking awesome.
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>>77940286
I have been worrying about this for a character of mine who's a "clone" and finally realized its easier to just be like "oooh yeah... science"
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>>77940286

Make a side codex for the info for those who want to know. Make it optional.
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bump from work
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Sploosh.

http://vigormortis.co.uk/
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>>77943099

Oh no!
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I saved this from another thread for you guys <3
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Awright, I'm at the office, ready to do the lewds I was requested yesterday.
There's a change programmed for today at work, so I'm not sure I will be drawing much if people come to the office today, I'll try to make the most of it.
Also, the proxy at work might limit me from getting references, so I may end up asking for references here.
Who else asked me for some? I think one was Ennui Go for sure, can't remember if someone else enlisted.
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How long does it take for a comic artist in the industry to finish a page?
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>>77938294
Why is Kiki cosplaying as Chel
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Update! What do you guys think?
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Finished inking this from the last thread. I'm nervous to color it but whatever.
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>>77938164
It's actually coming along well enough but I don't like the lack of cohesion between the plots. The idea and setting are sort of based on that exact thing (spare parts from unfinished or scrapped stories fused into one thing), but something just feels off about how it comes together.
It's like making a jigsaw picture from pieces that fit but all come from different sets.
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>>77944005

I think some foot fetishists will appreciate this. And it looks cool too.
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I updated Mostly Lizard! Full update can be found here as always:
http://mostlylizard.com/

New characters get official introductions.
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>>77943845
Like at marvel or DC?

I've been told that a minimum for a good page is 8 hours.

When I do that kind of thing instead of cartoony stuff like Ennui GO! it normally takes me a round that long.
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this was discussed here earlier before, but what materials/methods would be advised to use traditional media for inkking.
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>>77944021

Cute!
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>>77945753
Ink.
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>>77945753
Brush, nibs, rapidograph and if your a pleb like me, microns.
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>>77946321
>>77946670
Thank you, but there was something about using exclusively blue pencils for sketching why is that?
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>>77944005
This is rad. I wish I could draw feet this well.
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>>77940286
I like it!
.. most people don't
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>>77943756
here's the last thread
>>77839263
iunno how to make it the desustorage archive but whatever
you can find who replied to you there
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>>77944005
action action action!
capoeira! brasil! brasil!
motionlines! GOOOALLL!
love it
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>>77944021
awww heartbag
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>>77947574
Some scanners don't pick up blue ink/lines, so you can scan it and not have the rough sketch show up.
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>>77948328
Ah thank you anon
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>>77944183
this is pickin up!
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Here are my webcomics:

"Hunger & Hunters":
http://hnh.thecomicseries.com/comics/first/

"A Serenade for Ferrum Ferdinand":
http://ff.thecomicseries.com/comics/1/

"Dooblu":
http://dooblu.thecomicseries.com/comics/first/

"DreamDread":
http://dd.thecomicseries.com/comics/first/
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>>77949468
>http://ff.thecomicseries.com/comics/1/
OK, I'll be honest with you. I tried to read the first chapter of the second comic and it's downright ugly. Which of these is the most recent and with the best art?
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>>77948242
Thanks! I'm really happy with how that page turned out. I think it's the finest example yet of the high-caliber action the reader can expect out of Miss Melee.
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>>77950222
I started them all in the same time period.

I'm used to drawing with graphite or coal. Ink is new to me. That's why I wanted other's opinions.

>http://hnh.thecomicseries.com/comics/first/
is the one is maybe the one I spent most time on.
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>>77949468
>>77950222
You know what, never mind, don't answer. It's so bad, I don't even want to read it. When you encounter something you don't know how to draw, you just don't draw at all, meaning plenty of floating heads or bodies cut off in half in a full shot panel. Even things you do draw are abysmally bad. You make Dewd's comic look great and damn, that's really something. Please learn the basics of the basics at least, put some effort, then show it to strangers. You're a waste of post limit otherwise.
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>>77950710
And one thing I forgot to mention, the few pages I did read rather than just watch seem to indicate you're a better writer than an artist, but that's not saying much.
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>>77950710
>>77950746
Critiquing him is one thing, but being rude is another, maybe you shouldn't visit these threads if beginner works like this bother you.
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>>77951063
Those posts are 100% legitimatly constructive criticism, they just aren't candy-coated like a lot of other "criticism" you see online is. Straight up, that dude's comic has art so bad it's borderline unreadable, and he needs to know this. He needs to put serious time and effort into improving his art before he makes more comics.
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>>77951110
I think to say that it's awful is going too far.

There's definitely promise there. Obviously he needs a LOT of work, but he isn't working with nothing.
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>>77951063
rudeness is irrelevant, this guy is just being hurtful and insulting. that doesnt help anything. unless the guy was like "hey just taking a little litmus test here, how good am i right now?" for the purposes of submitting or not submitting to this or that. That's the only time that kind of assessment is called for
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Okay, I almost finish with this comic.
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>>77951063
>>77951507
I'm not rude, I'm honest. Really honest. I honestly (get it?) think the comic is really fucking bad.

Let's think about this for a moment. Why do you choose a comic as a medium in the first place? Why not just write novels? Apparently because you want to illustrate the story, not just by single images here and there, you want to illustrate the whole thing. Your art thus needs to be at least descriptive, because by choosing comics you forego a whole lot of narration you could use to describe places, setting, action and so on. Right?

So what happens when the art is so bad you can barely make out what's going on and sometimes not even that? You are losing your narration. You're left with just dialogues and some crude drawings that don't really do anything. You may as well just write screenplay-like dialogues, you'll save your time because your art doesn't add any value.

This, however, is even worse, because the art is off-putting. Not only you have only dialogues to work with, you also have to FIGHT AGAINST your horrible drawings which will likely cause potential readers to do a 360 moonwalk the fuck away from your work. You're literally handicapping yourself a whole lot, and it's comics we're talking about, where art is a much, much more important aspect as far as the first impression is concerned. And the first impression is really important considering a potential reader has so many webcomics to choose from. You need to hook the guy in and you are trying to do it with art which value is not even a zero, it's in fucking negatives.

Do you understand? He's only hurting himself by putting out that art. At his *current* level he should stick to novels instead.
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>>77951872
you cant hide behind honesty when it's an opinion. that's like a reporter violating people's privacy and hiding behind freedom of the press
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>>77951507
Hugboxing is much more damaging to the artist than rude shitty comments. The other guy could phrase it more tactfully but he's making a point.
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>>77952006
>it's just your opinion and rude behavior when you say something is very bad
>it's good criticism if you pat each other's backs
This is the one site where I don't have to sugarcoat my impression of other people's works, so fuck off.
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>>77951872
>If you're not good at a thing you should just give up and do something else

That's not critiquing, that's retardation.

Following your own "advice" you should stop trying to tell people what to do, because you've got shit for brains.
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>>77952163
>If you're not good at a thing you should just give up and do something else
If that's what you got out of my post, then you should find yourself a proper hugbox where everyone will love your work no matter how bad you are.

If you're not good at a thing, instead of shoving that thing in other people's faces, you should improve first.

Too hard to understand? I thought it's common logic, but I guess I was wrong.
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>>77952343
I just realized you might be replying to Scribble.
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>>77952343
So, You basically saying "Git gud before posting your art".

You are right, But being a dick wouldn't help them to get better.
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>>77952431
Hugboxing wouldn't help them to get better either.
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>>77952343
>shoving it in my face

He's posting it in a thread where the whole point is to help people. He's not "hurting" himself. He's doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing.

You, however, keep digging yourself into a hole, and keep acting more retarded.

Every artist who has ever drawn good has spent thousands of hours drawing badly and showing it to other people for help, exactly like he's doing. If you were an artist, you'd know that yourself. You're not upset because he lacks skills. You're upset because he's got the balls to do what you can't do.
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>>77950746
>>77951063
>>77951507
>>77952163
I appreciate you guys taking the time discussing this. I really do.
The thing I wanted to hear was how far am I right now. (One sees his own work in a different light.)
I can take really harsh ctitiques, but I always want to hear the specifics of what's wrong/right. I got some here.

But I can't "get good" before posting, if I don't know how far am I, and I can only know that by asking.
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>>77952468

Dear god, You sound like a dick-head.

Did your teacher hit you in your face when you can't spell "asshole" right?
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>>77951872
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD-AXgYO0lo
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>>77952156
nobody gets or expects or deserves any kind of praise for handing out backpatting. don't act like they are.
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>>77952497
>I don't know how far I am.

You're still at the beginning. Which is fine, everybody started there.

What you want to work on is construction and proportions, but I think you probably already know that. You're at the stage where there's little that we can tell you specifically, and the only thing to do is practice, practice, practice. You're at the "just keep from falling over" stage of learning to ride a bike.

That might not be what you want to hear. I remember being frustrated when I was at the same point and I got little direct help, but it's true. Most of what you need at this point is practice and developing a kind of muscle memory that can only come from doing it repeatedly.
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>>77952029
nobody here is anywhere close to in danger of that. least of all someone this bad. it goes without saying he's already had more than his share of 'you suck'. now give him something he can actually use
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>>77952431
I generally think that the reaction/answer should be appropriate to the level of the posted comics. Apparently I'm harsher than many guys hanging out in these threads, but I'm also much nicer than /ic/ or other places where people take art seriously.

Whether it helps depends on a person. Bad reactions to your work mean it's not liked, right? So the logical solution would be to improve your skills because unless you're a spoiled autist of CWC magnitude, you are aware your art isn't exactly good. And if you're one of those who'll choose to get offended instead and seek out other places for affirmation, you're a lost cause and a good riddance.

And the last thing - how are you supposed to not be a dick in response to those comics? You can either abbreviate your answer to "these are bad, improve" or lie. Why lie? Because there's literally nothing worth praising. There's no single element that you can look at and say "yeah, this is good, you can keep it the way it is and work on the rest". There's nothing. Art is abysmal, panelling is non-inspiring at best, layout is random, flow is non-existent. What can you praise? I see nothing.

I hope this will be my last post on the matter, I'd rather discuss webcomics than discussions about critique of webcomics.
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>>77952758
>>And the last thing - how are you supposed to not be a dick in response to those comics?
the rest of us seem to have no problem. i certainly never walk on any eggshells, but neither do i ever exaggerate my disdain
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>>77938164

it's going meh, we ran out of money after finishing a trailer for the webcomic\graphicnovel, writing the first volume, and recording about 14 songs for the music parts. It's a story that spans a bunch of different art forms including web comics,short films, music videos, albums and programming projects like a3ye.xyz

The Libel is a cypherpunk satire involving some fictional alter egos of hip hop artists like Donald Glovers "The Boy"


The Libel Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOCe-bf5W6M


We made a kickstarter.com/projects/notjesus/the-libel

but we cant afford ads or "social media management" solicitors we keep be spammed by so its just lost in the ether


if you have any questions you can ask in a3ye.xyz/que/

(if your interested in "The Boy" you can watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbtnbtF1l4g)
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>>77952497
I'm the initial, angry guy.

I think you still haven't taken off from the start line. You should check out the /ic/'s sticky, they have a lot of reference material and book recommedations there. Start from the very beginning. Right now your art is working against you, like I already wrote. If you don't want to draw perfect human figures, at least get the basics of body/figure construction, perspective, foreshortening, layout and, if needed, color theory.

The worst you can do when you don't exactly know how to draw something is to assume "maybe it's something like that" and hope it somehow works out instead of looking for references.
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>>77953040
Hello there Huey Freeman.
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>>77953061
thank you for noticing
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>>77952758

The more I talk to you.

The more I think I am the shittiest artist in the world. I will never become great, I will die like a failure. In my life, I never felt I am getting a "hug-box". You keep on saying it, But I never felt that feeling. I always a shitty artist. I always felt like shit. But, I keep on drawing for no reasons.
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>>77951110
How are you being "constructive" by being a complete and total dick to the guy? How can you give him criticism when you admit yourself that you haven't even put in the time to read his fucking comic? idiot.
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>>77952758
you can easily not be a dick by explaining WHY you think a comic is shit. point out specific things instead of just dismissing it so it can be constructive criticism...
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Ever try to read in your dreams? Maybe you sit down in a library, open a book, and there's letters on the page. Maybe you can even read individual words. But trying to put it together into an actual meaningful sentence is impossible. Everybody is like that. There's a good reason. When you're dreaming, the part of your brain that imagines scenarios and creating pictures in your head is conscious and doing the dreaming. The part of your brain that knows how to read is still asleep. When you're dreaming, everybody has severe dyslexia.

Now learning to draw is a lot harder. There's a big part of your brain, way deep down in the "reptilian" part, that recognizes human faces. It's dedicated. Penguins can recognize their own babies out of millions of "identical" birds, humans have the same sort of faculties with each other. It's why human faces are the hardest thing to draw. Something looks off if even the smallest thing is out of place.

Then there's a second part of the brain that's way higher up in the cerebrum. It's the part that is capable of listening to instructions and learning from them. It's a very evolved part. Very human. It helps us learn how to build fires, or learn color theory. We can understand the basics of color theory in a 15 minute seminar. Here's the color wheel. Colors on the opposite side of the wheel work against each other and clash. Cooler colors can make for good shadows, hotter for highlights, etc. You can learn Loomis construction methods the same way. Draw a sphere or circle. Decide which direction the head is facing. Draw a little cross for the center of the brow. Drop a center line from it. Draw the jaw. Eyebrows will be on that horizontal center line etc., etc. etc. All well and good.

Then there's the third part of the brain. The part that controls the hands. None of these parts of the brain communicate with each other properly.

cont....
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>>77953298
The guy you're replying to and the guy who wrote the review are two different people.
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>>77951818
i really like how your character looks in the first panel. The art reminds me of The behemoth games like alien hominid.
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For those of you writing long stories, how did you decide where to start? Right now, I have a few different places I could start my story off at. Do I want to start in the middle of the action? The character who a good chunk of the story revolves around won't be met until probably about the second chapter, but I was thinking maybe I could show what she's up to, then hop into where the protagonists are. At the same time, I could start at the end and work my way back. Then there's just so many other options as well. I have my story, but I just can't seem to start it.
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>>77953260
Look, art in comics matters, but not as much as that guy is crying about. I went through and read a few pages of your comic, I intend on reading what I can. So far, honestly, your comic "Hunger and Hunters" is interesting to me. The art is bad, but so what? You'll improve as you study the fundamentals. Don't let being bad at art stop you from making comics. You can improve it with practice.
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>>77953401
Now everybody knows what the human head looks like. Except nobody can draw one properly, except for artists, and that's only because of a combination of that higher training, and lots of practice.

Now let's look at one of our friends heads here:

It looks to me like he's been reading how-to's. Quite possibly Loomis. Here's where all the help he's going to get from /ic/ ends, because recommending Loomis is all they can do. He seems to have drawn a circle. He knows he wants the head tilted down a bit. All well and good. He's dropped the vertical centerline down. Good. Now the jaw... wait, this looks like where he has the big error. I'd guess he's not quite comfortable yet between profile and 3/4's view. The head's in profile, but the jaw line is too far back, as if it were in 3/4 view. Thus the ear is set too far back. It's also too small in proportion, because of that first mistake.

Now the know-nothing shit-for-brains might freak out over that, and cry and cry about how horrible it and how "harmful" it is. But it's a small mistake, by a beginner, and it makes the whole thing look off, mostly because we're so particular about human faces. It's exactly the sort of mistake all beginners make thousands of times, and it's just one of those wrinkles that gets ironed out with practice. He's also added lots of details, individual hairs, fuzzy eyebrows, strong jowl lines. This is common in beginners as they're learning what details are important and what art. It's a part of developing an individual style, and looks worse than it is due to the construction errors. Again, these are all things that pan out with time and practice.

And for fuck's sake.

>>77953043
Let's just stop replying to this cunt. It's probably Bones anyway.
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>>77953537
You ussually want to start the story with something that will hook the readers so action can be good. dont start in action and make it a flash back though please
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>>77953580

No, I am not him.

I am some other guy.
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>>77953537
I decided which part of the story I wanted to focus on. There was a long backstory to where I got to where the characters were. But I realized none of it was really that important to the story that I wanted to tell, so I decided to start the thing in media res. Right in the middle of the "story." But at the beginning of the one I felt was important.
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>>77953607
forgot pic I was referencing
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>>77953608
Awesome! Thank you so much. If I draw some sketches of what the first few pages might look like, could I get some feedback on what looks the most interesting?
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>>77953043
you're born on the starting line, moron. that's why you dont get a trophy for passing it.
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>>77953607
It's definitely not Bones, the grammar doesn't match up.
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>>77953401
I can read in a dream
the problem is the words don't stay consistent. same with clocks.
>build fires
uhhhhh that's just friction, anon. you have good advice but you could see better with your head out of dawkins' rectum
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>>77953580
Like this >>77953634 already said: this >>77953260 is not me, aka this >>77949468.

This thread has given me alot of advice.
>>77952651
>>77953043
>>77953401
>>77953607
>>77953686
Thanks a bunch for the feedback.
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can we start talking about the comics again?
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>>77954407
We were talking about comics.
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>>77954407
>you will never have a radioactive treehouse
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>>77938807
god dammit i knew i would do this
i wrote myself a note to make sure i didnt
but i fucking did it anyway
fuck
now i have to redraw them
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>>77953537
I maintain that writing long stories, especially comics, is a terrible idea.

You get so wrapped up in where the comic SHOULD be and where it's going that you either neglect what you're currently working on, or get overwhelmed by the scope and quit.

Better to work on self-contained short stories or arcs. Keep it manageable and digestible to the reader, and to yourself.
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>>77954440
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>>77954536
woops meant to reply to >>77954407
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>>77954513
Both methods can work. But it's important to let your story evolve from your original vision as you see fit.
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>>77954505
oh phew, neither of them really appeared up close
that's probably why it didnt click
but i'll get it right in the next one first try!!
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>>77953040
anybody check this out? theres alot to it
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>>77954671
Hey, working on a video game. It's gonna be part platformer, part something else, a mystery genre.

Anyways, yeah, annabeth is the main, we get to learn about him before he met jack and stuff.
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>>77955022
>makin vidyagames
man that takes me BACK. I used to do that connnstantly. though i never drew out animations, i always had them planned in my head..
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>>77955064
what did you make games with?
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>>77955022
>him
I want this meme to die.
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>>77955064
>tfw reminded of my attempts to make games via RPGMakerVX
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>>77955085
same. drawing on paper
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Also guys, my host struck up a deal with a guy who can make merchandise.

Would you be interested in buying any of the following:
Sd hat
Sora hat
Sora plushie
Or a
Annabeth plushie ?
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>>77955602
shit.. sora and annabeth plushes would be pretty cute. but A) plushes are expensive, B) they will be offmodel within a few weeks, and C and a half) I'm broke
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>>77955644
>B) they will be offmodel within a few weeks
This is funny because it's true.
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>>77955644
Well, they're gonna be off model anyways because they're gonna be done in a chili like style.
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thwinj.tumblr.com
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>>77955861
Come on, man. You're just blatantly advertising your Kickstarter here.
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>>77955731
it's an unfortunate fact of even the best of comics that art styles change rapidly
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>>77955981
That's not what >>77955644 was referring to. Dewd is a special case.
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>>77955746
>chili like style
now how was i supposed to resist that?
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>>77955997
> >>77955981 (You)
That's not what >>77955644 (You) was referring to.
my god.. get out of my head!!!
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>>77955602
On the topic of merch, does anyone know anything about costs for getting runs of various types of merch done? I'm looking at figurines and/or action figures which I expect will be expensive.
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>>77956670
Wildly expensive. Anywhere you get them from requires minimum orders of thousands. Even if they're being made at $1 per toy (they won't be), that's still thousands of dollars.

I knew guys in the Florida con circuit who had stuffed animals that they sold. They had ONE design that they could sell, because having more than one was prohibitively expensive to produce.
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>>77955895
the thread subject is "hows your webcomic" that's how it is. i have a sweet trailer and script but its lost in obscurity because i cant afford a bunch of ads and bs. why would i show it off here to the people who actually understand imageboards and shit that the webcomic will be about...
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>>77956782
why wouldn't I show it off here*
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>>77956782
>because i cant afford a bunch of ads and bs
It's not bullshit, dude. If you wanna make it you have to work your ass off (which includes getting money to properly promote your work) or get unusually lucky. That's just the way it is.
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So, Dewd, check on aco HYW, then, choose your destiny: Sarah or Scruffy beard?
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>>77957053
we have worked our asses off. We've been working for 2 years with no pay. this didnt just pop up over night. we have been working on new websites new boards new drawing, original pictures\wallpapers.

thats why i said there a lot to it
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>>77952758
THANK YOU.

You guys think all of the people writing the "harsh" critiques are the same person and they are not. The level of critique here isn't challenging or "hurtful" at all - being inflammed by mild critique IS pretty hugbox-y.
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>>77938164
>Want to make an R Rated webcomic that will have violence, language, soft-core nudity, maybe some sexuality and everything fun under the sun.

>My parents, family and friends will know about it and read it.

How do artists, writers and other creators live with the fact that their parents know all of the adult shit in their work? I know it's ridiculous, but I can't get over the awkwardness.
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>>77955895

This anon is right, don't just slop your advertisement shit here, this is a discussion board, not a spam advertising cesspool.
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>>77957602

Ugh, The one thing we don't need in this thread is a guy that like to suck a critic dick.
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>>77957654

Why even tell them, or link them to it, I sure don't/wouldn't show or tell my parents about smutty stuff I make, even if it is a comic with heavy sexual overtones
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>>77957654
I'm lucky in that my parents believe me when I tell them they wouldn't like Ennui GO!
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>>77957654
I don't show my parents my work.

Then again I'm an adult and I live in my own home, so it sounds like you may have a different situation.
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>>77957678
alright, my bad I apologize.
I'm just trying to have what we've been working for get a little recognition. We understand what putting in the time and money for a project and we have done that and more.
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>>77957654

Hey dad, look at this sex comic I made.
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>>77957654
My parents would have no problem with my webcomic but they still don't know I even write one.
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>>77957678
How about you post your own comic, if you've got one, instead of bitching about people who post theirs.
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>>77957936
Not for nothing, but do you have ANY of the comic done? All I see is music and some character designs.

Also that's an awful lot to ask for.
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>>77957974

He's just blindly shilling and spamming his comic, no discussion, just slapping it and running, I'd post mine, but I'm at work on my phone.
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>>77957898
I don't want to sound like a child, but this thing I have right now, it's gonna take years but I want it to succeed as a legitimate franchise. I don't have a Tumblr or anything to show it, yet, I started thinking it up in February and have done some minor sketches and story work.

I'm usually pretty private about my art in general, but I don't want to be an asshole to my parents and keep things hidden from them. Maybe they wouldn't care, I don't know. I just can't stand the mental image of my mom or dad looking at my stuff, turning the page and seeing a a sexy lady get her shirt torn off, showing her ample boobies.

Maybe I'm overthinking it.
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>>77958133
>I'd post mine, but I'm at work on my phone.

You fucking pussy.
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>>77957974
honestly, I thought people would appreciate something new, especially with so much on it, we've worked on our own tshirts and setup an imageboard that goes with the webcomic.

>>77957986
The comic most of it written we dont have many pages because its the most expensive. the trailer took alot and we have this page

we have one artist working on all the drawings and hes also dealing with school and shit.

>>77958133
im not blinding shilling im trying to have a discussion and get people interested. how else would i do that without posting to what it is?
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>>77958252

Just post your comic.

I mostly making my comics because it is my hobby.
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>>77958252

You posted your link, then didn't say anything until ppl called you out on it, now you post saying, I just want some help, sketchy intentions at best.
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>>77958292
We mostly make the comic because its a hobby but we want to be able to afford the hobby.

thats why we've been working on so much along with the comic. We want to provide the comic for free and afford it by selling the clothes and music.
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>>77958252
Your crucial mistake was wasting money on the trailer. You never should have done that.
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>>77956699
and the alternative, stuff being handmade in smaller numbers, doesnt save you a dime because each individual one is then ludicrously expensive

fact is 3d shit is still expensive as fuck, and probably will be until 3d printers get off their laurels and become something more than a gimmick that prints things out of waxy plastic
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>>77958502
I didn't just post a link to the kickstarter. I linked the trailer and gave a short summary of what its about.

>>77958717
how so?
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>>77958763
Your comic isn't established at all yet so no one is going to want to spend money on anything related to it.
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>>77957422
well next time tell us more. plenty of people come in here and advertise, but they dont just plop down a link. they introduce us, tell us stuff about it, tell us there's a kickstarter.. the whole thing
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>>77957654
why do you think they hated so much that you were becoming an artist? they knew this was coming
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>>77957760
heh. i tried that. mine insisted they were still reading it. they weren't... but every so often would still say they were, or say something tha tmakes it clear they werent, and EEVERy so often get some flak for it (never what you'd expect either)
finding out that I apparently have the image of being for little kids is never fun. Not that my shit is any worse than european or japanese kids shows
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>>77958148
They were hoping you were gay right
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>>77958779
Your right, but that why we made the trailer, to introduce it to people. The trailer isn't just about the comic though. It represents what the whole brand is about. Which is about creating art and spreading inspiration by doing what your passionate about in life.

>>77958787
alright, my bad. ill keep this in mind
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>>77958899
brand awareness is great for a pitch to executives... it's uh.. not a great way to connect to people like us. Just gotta use your situational awareness!
awareness awareness. underwearness
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>>77958899
The better way to introduce it to people would be to actually have the comic and have a fair number of pages out for people to see and get invested in the story. I think pretty much everyone in this thread who actually do have their webcomics out there would agree.
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>>77958133
You know what really strikes me as "hugboxing"

Your screaming bitching about new people posting their webcomics while you don't do shit to contribute to the thread yourself.
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>>77959148
Well I could share pages of the story but I doubted people would want to read the script before its drawn out and thought people would appreciate the time we put into the trailer\music\clothes\photography\imageboard to understand how much we are dedicated to this project and how much we can offer.
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>>77959164

YEAH! You notice that!

He can't show his web-comics. The fucking coward can't show his comics.
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>>77959227
You should have waited until you had multiple pages done before posting.
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>>77959164
well you have a bit of dysgraphia then, m8
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R8 and H8 my stuff M8's

i fucked up the panels, i know
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>>77951818
Okay, Finish with the dialogue. Proof-reading anon.

You do the rest of the job.


>>77953502
I did not notice that. Good eye on you.
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>>77959460
Hehehe. it took me a second, but I got it. I'll be interested to see where this ends up going
what is it with cupcake shops? I remember someone in these threads was going to have a superhero who works in one
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>>77959480
maybe i dunno the rules but when i do extreme closeups i still include the edges of faces n such even if it makes an annoying tangent
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>>77959257
I don't have more pages but I do have a whole universe that set to rival Marvel set up around it. Every character you see has an entire backstory with novels, screenplays, and\or albums about their character. All along with an imageboard set around all of their likes.

>>77959460
I really dig your art. The lack of outlines is really smoothly done and feels real nice.

>>77959494
I recommend you have the yellow the character is colored with where he's being electrocuted make it a little more obvious hes being electrocuted
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>>77959460
>>77959480
This looks alright. The biggest complaint I have is that you waste a lot of page space. You shouldn't have so much white floating around. It looks unfinished and cheap.

Try to make the most out of a page, and definitely don't do weird shit with the panels until you've gotten damn good at sequential storytelling.
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>>77959460
Opening this comic caused Firefox to crash. Minus five stars.
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>>77959590
yeah making him brown might work. that's how it worked in pokemon.. so theyd show up better against the lightning theyd be drawn kinda brown and toasty mid-shock
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>>77959590
>but I do have a whole universe that set to rival Marvel set up around it. Every character you see has an entire backstory with novels, screenplays, and\or albums about their character. All along with an imageboard set around all of their likes
Yeah, see, none of that matters because you have no pages.
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>>77959529
they're at a bakery, i guess? and im not your cupcake guy.
>>77959567
will keep in mind anon
>>77959590
thank you!
>>77959616
yea i made the terrible mistake of just adding in random panels without thinking how they would effect everything else
>>77959716
it worked

thanks for the feedback guys
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>>77959747
We have an animated\narrated trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOCe-bf5W6M are you telling me thats worth nothing?
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>>77960174
Only about 50 seconds of it is trailer. The other two minutes is a black screen.

And no, in comics, animated trailers don't mean much. In comics, the only thing that really matters is the comic.
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>>77960174
That doesn't matter. Comic readers want to see a comic.
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>>77960174
>are you telling me thats worth nothing?
Yes, I am. Actually, it's worth less than nothing, because you spent time and apparently money to make it, and it will do nothing at all for your comic, so it's a net loss. You should have spent that time and money on actual pages.
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>>77960432
It's not black screen, the end has an original song by one of the characters...

>>77960538
yeah i get you.

>>77960572
the trailer was 5 drawings of one character and one drawing of 6 others. wouldve been about 5 panels if we made pages.

I edited the trailer while the artist was too busy with personal problems and school so its was better than just not releasing anything.

I wish we had more pages to show but there's nothing really i can do about that for now
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>>77960687
>its was better than just not releasing anything
Given the reaction to it in this thread, I wouldn't be so sure of that.
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>>77960687
>It's not black screen, the end has an original song by one of the characters...
I don't care. Comics are a visual medium. Gimme something to look at.

It sounds more like you wanted to make an album not a comic.
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>>77960687
>the end has an original song by one of the characters...
...over a black screen. That's an immediate turn-off to anyone watching the video. People will look at that and think you were so lazy you couldn't even be bothered to do an animation or even the no-effort slideshow-style crap you did earlier in the video.

>I wish we had more pages to show but there's nothing really i can do about that for now
With this little content, you shouldn't have tried a Kickstarter, you shouldn't have bothered doing ANY promotion, and you absolutely shouldn't have bitched to us about how nothing has happened yet WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING OF VALUE TO ACTUALLY SHOW OFF.
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2 new pages.
http://luckyhazard.thecomicseries.com/comics/44/
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>>77960786
im not bitching that nothing happened im posting what work ive done so i can get feedback on the work put in. Only one comment actually addressed the content of what i showed >>77953061

im looking for criticism\opinions on the concepts, drawings, characters, sounds used but noone asked anything about the characters or the designs used...
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>>77962911
>im not bitching that nothing happened
Then explain this post. >>77956782
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>>77963302
im saying people havent seen the trailer or the art we've done so im posting about it here
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>>77938164
How would you guys do a western take on a marriage between the magical girl genre and giant mecha? how would you make this appeal to the current population?
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>>77964292
I'm right now working on not exactly that but something similar where a magical girl and a sentai-style superhero work together.
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>>77964421
magical girls and super sentai...arent that much different in concept are they? the difference would really be the gender demographic they're aiming for. would you be willing to give an example of what you're doing?
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>>77964555
Not really, it's still in a pretty conceptual stage at the moment.
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>>77964587
same. I've got an idea for the magical mechas myself, but im kind of curious to see how other people would approach it.
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>>77963482

Is this that dino and human in space thing?
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>>77961419
i like the little stars in the THOK effect
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This one's a bit of a talkie.

http://ennuigo.smackjeeves.com/
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>>77957654

Pseudonyms. Pseudonyms within pseudonyms. This name is hiding behind another that isn't even my real name.
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>>77969253
yes
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>>77963482

Looking very nice!
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>>77964292
pointless: all female power rangers
bad: magical girl but they turn into mecha pilots
bad: magical girl but they turn into robots.
still bad: magical girl but they turn into/are different styles/genres of sentient mecha. they can be hijacked and hacked.
good: magical girl, but transforming turns you into a cutesy doll-like android. the more you use cyborg form you gradually and irreversibly become more and more robotic, physically and emotionally. think cyberpunk 2020's cyber-psychosis. (horror/deconstruction)
better: magical girl dislikes being the publicity and sexuality of being a famed magical girl vigilante/soldier. she becomes a mecha pilot. and becomes reluctant and eventually refuses to fight outside the less effective machine. (coming of age/deconstruction)
funny: macho mecha pilots must begrudgingly use partially sentient magical girl mecha. these mecha are flamboyantly girly to a fault and indulging in their transformations makes them more powerful at the cost of being less responsive/logical.

>how would you make this appeal to the current population?
you make it as braindead and pandering as every other successful modern genre-checklist anime show.
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>>77971286
Thanks a bunch.
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>>77961419
every time i look at this comic i like it more.
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>>77963358
me too. oop you forgot to resize. okay.. time to zoom in and out. i am giggling more than usual. Like this is actually a well set up joke, not just a sort of pile of humor stirred into a pudding and blopped down on a plate. good job.
Umm is Anna's tail missing? and holy shit flexi-twisting in 2nd panel. that's what you get with a morphing metal spine i guess.
btw that should be 'your' in the first panel.
Annabeth is so damn cartman i love it. but old cartman. not boring new cartman.
jesus i am starting to ship the fuck out of them what is wrong with me.
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>>77963482
Never give up! Trust your instincts!
>>77964292
funny, those two examples are certainly NOT what I would pick for blending the two genres, and yet... that would probably work a lot better than what I was imagining.
>>77964555
The differences are mainly in the trappings. The story structure is the same, but neither one is particularly MARRIED to that story structure, it's just tradition (it makes for quick easy writing so they can churn 'em out for the kids, and do live stage shows with ease). Those of us with mature tastes are in it for the actual trappings, the cool robots, the fun powers, the cute girls, the awesome weapons.. not as much the repetitive monster of the week use a super move we win format
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>>77970498
Shit, Meagers seems like a guy who could make a mint by having the world's only efficient company that cuts out all the treacle and actually lays off the right people instead of the only ones who work. or was he just unable to do that?
... oh shit is that actually what happens if the balls touch? damn, i didnt realize how much i.. i mean other people!! were playing with fire

also i did not realize pinkhair mcvagoo only had 25 percent share in her own company. That's trickystyles.
Darcy is the worst kind of bitch though. Trying to affix a formula to chaos.. all you do is hurt everyone involved and then blame all of them. fucking behaviorists, fucking.. marketing assholes. they dont understand a damn thing.
So yeah dude good job making your villain hateable
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>>77971189
>that worry when youre such a loner that if you die nobody will ever be able to piece together who you were
>and since nobody can speak your true name to open your tardis and insert your time scar, it'll just sit out in the open where anyone can leap into it and fuck up your history
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>>77972216

I wanna have three popular identities and then someone figures out I'm all three and everyone is like WOAH.
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>>77971861
but modern anime arent popular at all

anyway if i was going to mix the two like that, i'd make it more like that exo frame Dexter had. Or like Oman: O-parts or Pony Metal U-GAIM. Nice small-scale mecha suited for fighting monsters of like, 12 feet in height. Something where the girl is quite visible inside
on the other hand if we're ditching the mecha part of the sentai you could have an ultraman kinda situation, transforming into some manner of feminine titan. theme it after ancient goddesses, that kinda shit.
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>>77972279
oh yeah like Hyadain
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>>77972279
Check your note inbox.
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>>77972652

Done.
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>>77971861
>good: magical girl, but transforming turns you into a cutesy doll-like android.
I had to draw this
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>>77970498
I just started reading your comic, it's great so far, but what did she rename the Denver Broncos to?
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So hows my composition on this? I feel like the legs are a bit ehh
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>>77973790
my two cents: I'd place the background figure's legs further apart like in a run, both the girl's legs forward like she's landing on both feet, and the foreground guy's legs placed closer together. Maybe his sword raised above his head so the silhouette reads better
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>>77973831
All of them are midair though?
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>>77971861
All of those ideas can be anywhere from pointless to good to better to funny, it all depends on the execution. There's no such thing as a bad idea, just bad implementation.
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>>77973180
She looks weird without a hat.
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>>77973871
I'm not claiming it's better but maybe it can help
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>>77973938
Pretty sure she feels the same.

I think it's the eyes in that pic tho, I'm terrible at manga eyes
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>>77973940
Oh! that is nice, I see what you mean.

They are midair though so a running pose wouldn't really fit with what i'm going for but I'm definitely digging the one on the far right.
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>>77972155
Oh, forgot the tail.
But yeah, thanks!
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>>77959494

Panel 1 dialogue:
"shake it and go"?
"TAKE it and go" surely.

Panel 2 dialogue:
"enERGy"
"AN error".

Panel 2 and 3 captions:
Capital W starting "When"
Too many periods. An ellipsis only has 3 periods, but people have a tendency to go overboard, probably because they think "more dots = longer pauses".

I just noticed the hazmat suit is in two subtly different shades of yellow. Too subtle, as it's practically unnoticeable. Change them so they contrast more.
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>>77974608
>more dots = longer pauses".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0I4mTEdAf8

I thought it means static noises. Man, Rpg video games lie to me.
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>>77944005
Kickass. I hope this fight will be resolved quickly though, because I want to know more about the main character.
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>>77974899
Sorry, but I've been taking writing and pacing cues from Zack Morrison's Paranatural so this fight will drag out for the next 130 pages, AKA 5 minutes.

Seriously though, thanks! I wish I could tell you how the fight goes but I don't want to spoil anything.
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I tried drawing a head for the first time
It comes off more like an ape then a man desu
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>>77953537
The answer to your problem is: write it all chronologically first. Just vomit everything until you get to the end. If you get stuck, just skip it or pull something out of your ass. THEN edit the story into something more manageable. Shorten it. Make sure it follows a proper story structure -- you'll find instructions online for that. Be prepared to throw away a large part of your original ideas and focus your story around the first plot point, middle and the second plot point and most importantly: the climax. It's not actually very hard. Just write, don't think, then edit the story to follow a neat structure. Make it tight and save all the extra ideas for your next story. Also don't get stuck with editing too much, set a limit to yourself about perfectionism and just make finishing a story your goal.
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>>77974963
well the characterization is ok but without a rotation view i doubt the intended shape would stay. For facial anatomy in itself i think you did alright for underlying features.
Try drawing the same face in alternate views and see what happens!
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Every time I think i'm ready to come back to HYWC real life pulls me away. Yeesh, I wonder how many people are in here I never got to meet!
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Hi co, I'm not the best writer or artist around. But I had this silly idea for a harem type comic.

Regular guy suddenly meets these Ninja dog girls who move into his house, and have wacky adventures together with him.

There will be weekly monster fights and occasionally questing for legendary weapons or ninja scrolls.

Plus maybe the Male mc will be able to fight as well. Sort of like how Marcus fights the bad guys with Star in star versus the forces of evil.

And maybe there will be a busty childhood friend who gets jealous of the Ninja dog girls horning in on her friend.

I know most people don't like Harems for being generic, but i thought I'd go with something sort of simple for my first webcomic attempt.

Any ideas or thoughts on this?
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>>77975921
I think you should stop formatting your posts like that.
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>>77975921
Show us some character designs.
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>>77975966

I don't have character designs yet, I'm working on those.

This is an idea I just thought recently. So I still have a lot of work to do for it.
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>>77971861
>good: magical girl, but transforming turns you into a cutesy doll-like android. the more you use cyborg form you gradually and irreversibly become more and more robotic, physically and emotionally. think cyberpunk 2020's cyber-psychosis. (horror/deconstruction)
>better: magical girl dislikes being the publicity and sexuality of being a famed magical girl vigilante/soldier. she becomes a mecha pilot. and becomes reluctant and eventually refuses to fight outside the less effective machine. (coming of age/deconstruction)
>funny: macho mecha pilots must begrudgingly use partially sentient magical girl mecha. these mecha are flamboyantly girly to a fault and indulging in their transformations makes them more powerful at the cost of being less responsive/logical.
Please don't ever write a comic if this is your idea of good.
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>>77973621
I have completely forgotten. It was something alliterative. Cum somethings, clearly.
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>>77975921
Not inherently a bad idea. Harems can be fun.

But yeah draw up some character designs. Remember that in a harem, you gotta make each girl very different yet still likeable.

Every reader is gonna need to have a favorite.

Also, I'd recommend not introducing all the girls at once. Introduce them over time so that you can give each of them appropriate screentime. If they're all dumped on the readers at once, you run the risk of them getting lost amongst each other.
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>>77976207
Agreed.
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>>77973966
the eyes are just a bit close together is all
it's still cute and a funny idea
mfw now i want cowboy themed magical girls
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>>77974608
I have never understood this ONLY THREE PERIODS bollocks. I use two periods for a brief pause but longer than a comma (or if a person loses their train of thought briefly), 4 if they full-on stop talking but pick up because nobody else talked, five if they are utterly speechless.. rarely more than 5, but for emphasis you can do that
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>>77974963
imagine if he grew a moustache
should a moustache be taller than it is wide?
let that guide you when putting space between noses and mouths
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>>77978143
Two periods isn't enough to properly convey a pause in my opinion, and more than 3 feels like the writer is trying too hard to draw it out. 3 periods is all you'll ever need, and if you want to make a pause more meaningful you can do so with the way the scene is laid out.
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>>77975877
we miss you. damn rreal life and the lucky people in it that get to spend time with you
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>>77975921
>dog harem
ha, so he's the alpha of their pack. there's something to that.
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>>77975877
It's ok, I'll still silently cheer you on.

It's what I've been doing sense your porn comics.
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>>77978679
I really wanna get back into nsfw stuff I just hate posting it on tumblr cuz all the shit I like is mad rapey and I don't wanna get yelled at. Politics!
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>>77978255

Hmmm I didn't think of it that way, Nice idea.

I was also thinking like the Male mc could be the son of a Hero or a martial artist, but he prefers not too fight.

But with the Ninja and monsters, he's kind of forced into life or death struggles.
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if this were porn, would it be fappable?
or at least can I make a porn comic
be honest
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>>77979007
Just make a secret account on pixiv and post it on aco, adult comics and cartoons.

Don't know if you were updated on the fact that we have an adult board for cartoons now.
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>>77979422
It's not a bad start.
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>>77979422

I can't tell if a mannequin torso might be fuckable if it were a person
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Hey guys it's time for wacky witches in the wild west again

I've been working on story writing and anatomy. Some anons pointed out that my protagonist's lower half didn't match up well with the upper half, so I've tried to touch upon that. There was also talk of lowering her facial features because I'd be boxing myself in as far as expression goes. Less worried about that, though.

As far as writing goes, how much organization do y'all put in before the actual drawing work begins? I'm trying to work out all the dialogue and events in my first short story before digging in and putting pencil to paper. I thought about maybe just diving in since I have a general idea of what I want to do but I feel like I might end up getting sidetracked or fuck up the pacing if I just wing it.
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>>77974998

This is good advice, but this method doesn't work for all writers. Here's a typology of writers by GGRM:

“I think there are two types of writers, the architects and the gardeners. The architects plan everything ahead of time, like an architect building a house. They know how many rooms are going to be in the house, what kind of roof they're going to have, where the wires are going to run, what kind of plumbing there's going to be. They have the whole thing designed and blueprinted out before they even nail the first board up. The gardeners dig a hole, drop in a seed and water it. They kind of know what seed it is, they know if planted a fantasy seed or mystery seed or whatever. But as the plant comes up and they water it, they don't know how many branches it's going to have, they find out as it grows. And I'm much more a gardener than an architect.

If you are a "gardener" this will either be impossible for you, or it'll feel seriously restrictive as you begin to work. If you know you're a gardener, what you need to do is, with every chunk, or whatever you work in, ask how the panel, the page, the scene, are contributing to your story: is it adding to your characters, progressing the plot, developing your ideas?
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>>77979880

Also more and more as you go along you'll need to ask if what you're making now coheres with what it was you made.
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>>77979880
Anybody who plans on writing an ongoing comic will have to be a gardener.
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>>77980223
Not true.
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>>77980564
It is true. Source: I am living it.

You can plan out arcs, sure, but your plans will change over time as your comic evolves. That's gardening.
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>>77979880
That's a great analogy, I had no idea it was from GRRM. It's funny because I was convinced I was an architect but I couldn't write for shit, then I tried being a gardener and I was immediately in my natural environment. It's so natural to proceed by "what would this character do now?"
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>>77979880
That's not much of a defense of the "gardener" style, given GRRM's actual work.
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>>77980665
The typology is two extremes, no one is exactly one or the other. Interpreting it literally is your own ignorance.
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I'm at a foot ball game.

Drawing sarah in this outfit is fun.
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>>77981103
You put more effort into this than you usually put into your comic's pages.
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>>77981437

And ppl told him to quit
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>>77938164

super early sneak preview of the next exciting page of F.A.T.E.S.~!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsSHSukKrXg
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>>77979572
Lol, I was workin up the nerve to post in their How's Your Webcomic about some of my ideas when you posted this. Plus I used it as an excuse to do a nsfw warm up today before getting started on maggie.
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>>77981501

Forgot to add, and he is doing awesome.
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>>77938220

are you going to be doing this shit for the rest of your life or what?

please stop, i dont deserve this amount of internet bullying, whatever you think ive done or said, just keep in mind people make up a lot of crap about me that isnt true and used to pretend to be me by using my name and trip, so in other words your just being a mean piece of crap to me for no god damn reason, so ill ask you again nicely to please stop doing this, please...

>>77938213
thanks this means a lot to me, you tried
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>>77981437
Yeah, I would do this whole comic water colored, but when I did that people said it was Chris Chan teir. And that's why I stick to digital.

But to be honest, I did the same thing I did as digital, I just drew it.

>>77981501
>>77981575
Aw, thanks guys! My fans, like you, are more than half the reason why I draw.
>>77981573
Glad I could help!
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>>77981721

Replied to Bones, let there be a 2nd chance.
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>>77981960
It's only Chris-Chan tier if your art is shit.
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>>77981960
What's a Chris-chan?
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>>77982239

Such unholy things should never be searched on Wikipedia
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>>77982021
So, are you saying I should try water color again?
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>>77982498
Yes.
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>>77982420
oh... oh god... you weren't lying... oh god my eyes...
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>>77982541
Alright, I'll do a side comic first as a test.
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>>77976207
erryone's entitled to their input
>>77978167
it's when you start making arbitrary rules that i get mildly upset
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>>77982962
A man has to have standards.
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>>77978679
>maggie porn comics
uhhh gonna need to see those
>>77979007
... now i REALLY wanna see those. and possibly work on the writing with you
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>>77982962

Ughhh, not the anon, but he does have a point about the period use conveying pauses, two would seem like a typo, more seems too tween text like, three seems professional.
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>>77979346
>girls sense danger
HEY HEY MASTER HEY HEY LOOK LOOK LOOK HEY THERE'S A GUY
that's the mailman
GO FIGHT HIM DUDE HEY MASTER GO KICK HIS ASS
i'm not fighting him
YOU CAN FIGHT GO GO GO GO FIGHT HIM
>tummy rubs shut up the loud pomeranian girl
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>>77979422
not yet, but don't quit. You're getting there. You clearly know how to construct: next step is evening out your proportions. then after that: if you want it to be nice porn, smooth things out a bit. You don't want all the harsh detail all the time. that's one thing that took me a long time to learn in my prons
lotta porncomic discussion here when we have an aco thread
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>>77979857
she still has pretty stubby legs but if this is just your style then.. at least you're in good company! it's a popular way of drawing. it at least looks like it has a lot of fun appeal and good times.
I would say go ahead and 'dive in' but write things down as you dive. write down your ideas. even just arranging them as paragraphs in a notepad document
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>>77981437
nah he's just better on paper than in digitals. i was for a long time too
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>>77981573
cuh-rabs
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>>77982602
didnt he use washable crayola markers?
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>>77982970
yeah but you have to be able to justify those, so it's not just your emotions
>>77983073
language aint professional man. i've begun ommitting commas that i was taught were 'grammatical' but don't actually convey a pause. In 50 years (if grammar has survived at all) that'll be the standard.
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>>77982021
not saying he shouldn't do watercolor, but his art is still pretty bad. honestly dewd, it's the blind leading the blind here. do what you want, but take everybody's opinion (good or bad) with a grain of salt. half the people here only look at cartoon or anime art and have really low standards as to what "good art" is. you guys give me a headache.
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>>77983372
Alright, I'll do a short three panel comic.
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>>77983354
>language aint professional man
The implementation of it in a comic with professional aspirations (such as my own) is.
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>>77983354
Bad grammar is like bad art. It shows the creator doesn't know what he's doing, and may or may not even care.
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>>77983421
what year do you think this is?
don't get me wrong, this pisses me off, but.. there are no standards anymore
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>>77983453
Other people not having standards means I, too, should not have standards? Fuck outta here.
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>>77983449
grammar has at least some rules, but they're less solid than you think they are
art should follow rules the way birds should follow traffic laws
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>>77983299
It definitely looks like it, yeah.
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>>77983487
you said professional aspirations
was i wrong in thinking you were saying "if you wanna make it in the professional world you must X" ?
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>>77983510
Yeah, you were.
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>>77983527
oh, nevermind then
kudos for going above and beyond requirements then. we need that. You keep doin Bach, ima keep trying to bebop and scat. we need both of those.
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>>77983547
Don't insinuate that the failure to comprehend and properly implement the English language is acceptable because it's some kind of different style.
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>>77983613
i'm deciding what grammar is for myself based on the same, if not significantly more strigent standards than the ones that decided it centuries back, and continue to every so often. i'm not trying to ebonics it up here and justify bad grammar as being common.
see there where i used "(noun) it up" ? That's a new piece of grammar. we all decided to use it.
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>>77983644
Whatever you say bones.
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>>77983644
stringent*

or hey, astringent standards if that floats your submarine in a sea of listerine
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>>77981103

I hope you weren't at the Vikings game. If you were, sorry about that.
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>>77983644
so eager to break the rules before you learn how to play within them
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>>77983718
Nah, I was at the bucs, we won, it was cool.
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>>77983644
"I see people that know infinitely more about a subject doing something, so I'm going to try and replicate that. Surely nothing could go wrong!"
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>>77983659

thats not me man, i dont know anything about grammar and dont have any kind of opinions on it, its not something i think about at all which is why i appreciate whenever points out i spelt kingdome wrong or needed a you're instead of youre, cuz i have no ifuckendea how to proper grammer

also please stop calling anyone you dont like or argues with you bones, its really annoying, whats worse is that person wont even correct you and say there not me, which is even worse!!! it really gets under my skin and causes me a lot of stress
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stupid sexy robot voice
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>>77983753
love that smug assumption that i must be breaking the rules due to failing at them
not that i'm much more experienced than you and long-since gave up giving a shit like so many oldtimers who get that hilarious lack-of-a-filter thing going on.
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I did a guest page for dewd

Also,
https://picarto.tv/StonesOfAnarchy
I'll be streaming if anyone is interested
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>>77984092
There's a certain The Critic quality to this
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>>77963482
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>>77984679
yeah this comic has certainly hit its stride. just hearing her react to his awesomeness in a "he was cool to me even before he starfox'd some guys" way
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>>77985051
Wait so are we the only country that hasn't cured cancer yet?
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>>77985051
>no, hamburger?
he was worried it was burger instead of icecream?
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>>77985051
comma,comma,comma,comma,comma
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>>77985348
i dont think that follows
america invents everything then ruins it..
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>>77985348
Not if the FDA and pharmaceutical companies can help it, son.
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>>77985640
dont forget, if those two ever decide to let up, the lawyers will swarm in with their constant lawsuits until theyve taken every dime away from everyone and given it to someone else but taken their cut
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>>77981554

official FATES page 8 wip! This page is going to be good!

no colors are official colors yet, all temporary clothes and gun colors!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgXFA_yP3jw&list=RD6MZw_Iv0wdU&index=9
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>>77985640
This. If they fake the moon landing, they can suppress the cure for cancer.
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Well this thread sure plateaued.
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>>77978143
>I'm too stupid to understand grammar rules so I make shit up and get mad
Foreverially tied up and loving it
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>>77938164
Sorry for the long hiatus.
I had to go on a major break to write a Visual Novel... and so far, I'm really proud of the outcome.
It'll be done by next month, so we'll go back to Kevin soon.

Here's a little preview for you guys.
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>>77988717
drawing goat legs riding a bike is hard now that i think of trying to imagine what it would look like...
kevin's outer leg isnt showing in the first version, are these sequential?
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I finished page 52. I really need to work on pages throughout the week and not pump it all out in one day.
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>>77989028
Kevin's leg is on the layer behind the bike, I just have to edit all that shit first. And yes, they're sequential.
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>>77989094
I just realized how weird it looks without the bike...
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>>77989243
All of my keks
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>>77949468
I just read into Hunger & Hunters, but I absolutely LOVE it! Keep going, man, this is hilarious!
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>>77951872
>At his *current* level he should stick to novels instead.

Oh and you sound like a major dick, btw. I think the art fits the narrative very well. It's meant to be humorous. If you would've actually read into it with an pen mind you would've noticed it's basically a Onepunch Man with werewolves.
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>>77987054

completely changed the colors

bright orange hat and boots is now a faded raw hide color...

hows it looking so far????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfYblltzFII&list=PL284A9F9923332ED6&index=44
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Hey I know this sounds like attentioncajoling, but
anyone who's reading my comic, particularly the old shit, what do you think were the biggest-hits kinda moments? There's actually a serious reason
ideally something that can be represented with just a single image
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>>77952470
>You're upset because he's got the balls to do what you can't do.

B A S E D
A
S
E
D
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>>77990559

That's really tough because my favorite moments are when it's the whole group pal'in around and being silly. I still haven't found time to finish the Kiwi Day (i'm like 40 pages in) so I don't really have any old shit to really go off of, though.
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>>77957654
My dad regularly reads oglaf. I can't do any worse.
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>>77989903

Yooooooo, its done yall! i hope yall like it! i love the way it turned out!

more pages here: http://fates.thecomicseries.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eESLjZqRUHs&list=PL284A9F9923332ED6&index=50
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>>77990843

...akward... but seriously thats funny as fuck.
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>>77991150

Work on your backgrounds more, it's a real eye sore, also, play with your line weight, it feels way too heavy and flat. Plus, texturize the bottles, sky and background, it seems half-attempted honestly.
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>>77991150

FIXED ALL SPELLING ERRORS, updated on my deviantart, the fates website and on the webcomic host site

>>77991595
thanks for the advice senpai ^^
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Sunday night inking. So tired but I have a new found fear of dying before I finish anything and it's forcing me to work.
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>>77991767

I am loving this so far!
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>>77991767
Jesus Christ this is translating really well to ink.
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is it bad if i use comic sans?
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>>77991875
Generally yeah. It's tacky and overused. There's plenty of fonts out there that look nicer and may be more to your personal aesthetic.

Look around on fontsquirrel to see if there's some you like.
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>>77991850
>>77991858
Thanks guys! I'm hoping to be able to color these soon and make more but I'm not 100% sure if I want to use watercolors or digital yet.
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Must finish with comic.
Explain the story to the thread
Check the grammar
kill myself.
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>>77991595
>replying to bones
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>>77984824
agreed
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>>77992716

Sorry, I shall stay quiet...
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>>77991875
I like it. it resembles my handwriting
>>77991952
is it overused? I never ever see it used. Hell, at this rate it's probably more associated with undertale or possibly doge than anything else
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>>77992709
you dont need perfect grammar whilst explaining the story to us, anon. just proofread it before you finish a page.
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So, I have a problem.

My setting is too perfect.

I'm working on an alt history fantasy Earth where all mythology, folklore and religion (except for Pastafarianism and that one religion I can't talk about or I'll be sued or be assassinated by Hollywood celebrities) is real. So gods, monsters, demons and spirits share the world with humans. Not like Harry Potter or Percy Jackson where they all hide themselves for some silly reason, but it's common knowledge and perfectly mundane to the general population.

But, in a world that is inhabited by thousands of divine beings and people know magic- how would there be any problems?

>Did your doctor tell you that you have terminal cancer? Well, look for a phoenix or just swallow a seed from a Sinmurgh Tree.

>Did an important character die? Just get a god to bring them back to life!

>Global warming? Just get a few winter gods to freeze everything up there! On second thought, the Ozone wouldn't be depleted since the nature spirits and gods could either stop it or they'd come down on the humans and just say "guys, cut the shit, lol."

You see my problem, here?

I guess I could raise more challenges, like phoenix stuff can't cure cancer, or resurrection is possible, but a simple procedure can cost at least one million dollars, so only rich people and politicians can afford to pay gods to raise their dead people.

Thanks in advance.
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>>77993409
make magic mumbo jumbo stuff poisonous to humans, BAM!
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>>77993362
easy
different problems.
youd have to lobby a bunch of benevolent beings if you wanted help stopping the more subtle malevolent ones or the fallout from their doings
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Since it's a sunday, there's two new strips. Other one is NSFW so it's not really appropriate for this thread, and it's also censored so it's not appropriate for the other one.
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>>77994807

A toy with beasts?
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>>77994807
>two new strips
shit you mean if i've been visiting your site once a day i've missed all the second sunday strips?
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>>77994952
Uh, yeah. What, have you never tit-fucked a plush before?
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>>77994952

I mean breasts,

It was a typo! Nobody see it.
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>>77994807
So it's not THAT censored?

Heh, That's a plush I could go for
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>>77994952
Izzy(pink girl)'s game is a porn game.

Her directors are now trying to market the vast array of characters in the game to children.
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>>77994988
Yep! On sundays there's a normal three panel strip, as well as a six panel one that's NSFW.
The uncensored version is a patreon-exclusive deal, but I try to still make it at least funny so you can still enjoy it if you don't want to donate.
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>>77995064
son of a-
i just went back and checked and I missed 3 strips.
man i like your comic, why you gotta do dis.
I mean shit your update schedule is positively HEROIC and that is awesome, but do we really need 8 comics a week?
actually I'm looking at your update schedge and http://ennuigo.smackjeeves.com/archive/ it's pretty damned haphazard. For a gag comic that doesnt have the kind of plot where you instantly go 'oh i must have missed one, i'd better go back' this is.. not ideal. You want a consistent update time once a day max.
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This is weird concept that I tried to bring in my comics called the "Ant theory". Get a bunch of guys that look the same and get one girl to be their sexy smart leader.

Does that sound sexist?
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>>77995235

Sounds like a recipe for a top tier waifu to me.
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>>77995209
Ideally I'd like to get into a better update schedule where the normal updates go live earlier in the day, and then extra content would come out at night.
Either way I think the current schedule goes a long way towards establishing the comic as consistent, which to me is really damn important in webcomics.
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>>77995235
probably, but so what? we're not gonna bitch
WHY do you want to do that? just for the ant comparison? because whatever your reason is, stick by that and focus on it and you'll do fine
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>>77995440
consistency is awesome. all this time i thought 'woot there's always a new one, i love that' and it turns out sometimes there were 2 and i missed it
i may be wrong here, someone please correct me, but i dont think anyone checks the same comic twice in a 24 hour period
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>>77938495
Is there more?
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>>77983826

Thanks for keeping the Falcons down.
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>>77940286
In the case of magic it's better if it has defined rules. You don't want to bore people with the details but make sure they're they're if they are.
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>>77944021
Do you have a blog or anything? I like your style.
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>>77996867
yeah that makes sense. rules that could be sussed out if a careful reader checked all the clues, but not rules that are crammed down anyone's throat. that way if you have to change them later, the inconsistency wont be nearly as visible, it will feel to the reader like they just had it wrong
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>>77996924
http://indifferentsocks.tumblr.com/
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>>77953040
I can't say that I'm interested. I usually don't like stuff like this though and I don't think it's a wise decision to make a character based of Huey because he's also a comic book character. And the Kickstarter campaign it just looks... really pretentious to be honest. You haven't even shown what the comic would be about or be like. That's how you run a kickstarter.
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>>77958252
I think your big flaw is trying to make a webcomic into some sort of big thing when you are completely unknown and have an idea that isn't very interesting. You're trying to get merch and stuff and have a trailer and a kickstarter. For what? For a webcomic? Most people who have webcomics do it for free at least when they start out. What about this requires money other than the merch which I have no idea why it exists. You think you have some sort of big amazing product but from what I've seen it's just a webcomic and you will have some merch also. And I guess you're not Jesus and you talk pretty pretentiously in the kickstarter and stuff. It looks to me like you're doing this in a large part for the money. I really have no idea why you're planning merchandise before you even have made the comic. That's not how it's done.
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>>77991875
It is one of the forbidden fonts so yes. Don't ever use it. Unless your comic is about the skeleton.
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>>77989600
Thanks for the interest!
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>>77997161
The only merchandise I have planned is plush dolls. And only for myself.
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Last couple Comixscape strips... (1/3)
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>>77999266
2/3
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>>77999271
3/3, today's update
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>>77999266
This looks interesting. I'll check it out.
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>>77993409
>greek pantheon
>all dat drama, violence and weird shit
>nordic pantheon
>greek, but more violent and weird
>crussades
>jesuschrist vs mahoma: electric boogaloo
>all that spooky scary shit lurking in the shadows at night is real: vampires, ghouls, skinwalkers, dopplegangers, trolls, demons, dragons, leviathan, kraken...
>all these gods who don't care or even outright despise humans

Cancer? Not really a concern considering all the curses and magic venom and plague shit killing people left and right

Important Character dies? Good luck convincing a God to go through the Hades, Inferno or whathaveyou to retrieve some guy's soul (which would make for an interesting story anyway: see Orpheus and Eurydice); That is, assuming his soul or whatever hasn't been irreparably corrupted, damaged, eaten or lost forever somehow.

Global Warming? Quite a few gods and magic critters are trying to reshape earth into their kingdom already; eternal forest as far as the eye can see, the whole world submerged in the oceans, a wastelandish hellhole of eternal suffering, a well kept paradisiac garden for everyone... doesn't seem to me like any of those can coexist

Depending on how strong they are and what kind of influence they have, what would be surprising would be for mankind to even be alive
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Yo earthfeild, thanks for that fanart!
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>>77999753
You're welcome man. Can't browse nsfw board at the office, but I managed to finish it and post it before leaving home, I figured you'd see it eventually.
I also had fun making it.
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>dream an idea for a story or strip
>try and hang on to some of the ideas because I thought it had potential
>now I'm awake and I can note down the ideas that I dreamed
>this could still work, but I don't have any clue how to go about writing it
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>>77973940
Tweaked it a bit based on input, idk what im gonna do with the other guy

no way is this anywhere near finished though, as pretty as it might look
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>>77993409
>My setting is too perfect
There's no such thing as that. A good writer would have no problem coming up with something.
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>>77993409
So all these gods and monsters and demons are quite happy to play nice get along with each other?

How does Ra feel about Apollo? Do they take turns driving their sun-chariots across the sky or does Apollo cut Ra off over Mount Parnassus?
What happens when Apollo decides to expand his influence out of Greece and starts encroaching on Egyptian territory? (Say if Greek immigrants move to Egypt and start setting up temples to Apollo)

Stories require conflict, and there is more than enough potential conflict to go on in that setting.
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>>77993409
Simply have them not do that if you ask them to
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>>77993409
You define laws that they follow. Not "weewooweewoo" laws, but you know, the natural phenomenon kind. Laws about resurrection because trying to resurrect someone a certain way causes problems. Phoenix are rare and impossibly quick, seeds from the Sinmurgh tree try to devour whoever takes them away from the tree's boundary, etc. etc.

If you can't find ways to instill conflict in a "perfect" setting, then the setting isn't the problem.
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Any webcomic artists out there who dislike blog theme layouts? What would you be looking for in an HTML layout if you were to choose one?
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>>77993409
make it a comfy slice of life comic
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>>78000807
I have been looking for a layout that allows me to display more than one page allows allows time for ages. I want my project to be presented in a traditional book style.
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>>78001508

The Magical Adventures of Roy and Shantae!

But seriously though this looks really sick. They already give off some great vibes just from these early sketches, so definately keep going. The logo clearly gives off both a sci fi and RPG style vibe, which is hopefully what you wanted. It's great.

Pardon my autism on this one slight tip/issue I have, however. It's not a big problem, but basically, I think it would look a bit better if you took out the black pupil out of the girl's eyes, and then it in the dude's eyes instead? It sounds retarded, I know, but I just feel the boy's eyes look much too pale and underwhelming, while the girls' irises seem a little too real. I really think putting black pupils in the boy's eyes could make a huge difference (if not, at least try it)
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>>78001599
That's not stupid, it's just a case of someone not knowing when to use true black. They'll figure it out as they go, it's not really an easy fix. They'll need something that fits their tastes.
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>>78001599
>>78001760
Sorta like this?
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Just Updated Jasper Gold.
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>>78001803
I think the girl's eyes are a little better, not sure about the guy's. I'd play with different colors, highlights, and see if giving them an outline makes it better or worse. In the end it comes down to your taste and knowledge.
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>>78001803

That's much better. I like what you did with the girl's eyes too. I just felt like the boy's eyes stood out because of how simple they were compared to the rest of the image.
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>>78001803
Hey man what brushes are you using for their hair?

very nice picture too.
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>>78001967
Please post the website as well, I would like to actually read this!
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>>78002467
>Hey man what brushes are you using for their hair?

this shit mainly, I like to fuck around with the blending levels.
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>>77983453
>that pic

TRIGGERED
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>>77999371
Thanks man, this is Chapter 4 I'm doing now and it differs a bit from the previous ones in terms of my approach and whatnot but I've probably been having the most fun messing with this one so far.
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>>78002494
Sorry, I was doing everything in a hurry this morning. Here ya go:

http://taleofjaspergold.tumblr.com
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>>78000016
I like it, but I wouldn't align his leg with the sword.
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>>77999276
such cute actionnn i need to study this
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>>77999703
or what if cancer is the actual crab
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>>77999862
that's luckier than the majority of times i get an idea in a dream, dude. at least you woke up and yours still made sense, or you could remember it
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>>78000016
looks pretty cooool. maybe slightly too much resemblance to cassiopeia quinn but i think i'm wrong
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>>78000160
>no problem
dude nobody is so perfect that they have 'no problem' with anything. least of all a complex setting with difficult limits
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>>78000807
man as long as it works properly and has good easy to use navigation. i wanna be able to quickly click my way through the comic, and to be able to bookmark a page that shows the newest comic every day, whether that be the root url or the /latest.phtml or something
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>>78001967
Finally! been waitin'
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>>78003254
mmmmmm meat vapors
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>>78004079
What do you think is better? A weekly update? Or "update whenever there's a new completed page"? I've got a few pages completed under my belt, and I'm leaning towards updating on a weekly basis, but the urge to just post it all and giving readers more is tempting.
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>>78004483
Multiple days a week are fine too, but it's better to be regular. "Mondays and Thursdays" or "Monday, Wednesday, and Friday" or something like that.
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>>78004483
i mean, are you making enough that if you release one a week you'll start building a backlog? because that's great. i don't want big gaps, so basically whichever choice means i don't have to go a long-ass time without a new one.
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>>78004483
Personally, I would say weekly. I'm a big stickler for having a set update schedule.

However, since your comic hasn't launched yet, I would say that you dump the pages you have, or at least a few of them, right at the start, to give new readers something more than just a single page to read, and then commence weekly updates or updates to whatever schedule you prefer, as long as it's a legit schedule.
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>>78004981
but it has launched
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>>78005095
Oh, well then just set an update schedule and stick with it.
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>>77988717
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>>77991150

drew kid fairune in an ugly christmas sweater
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>>78005896
sucks he cant fly
hey where's he keeping his tail?
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>>78004483
>>78004741
>>78004564
>>78004981
Is it acceptable to have multiple updates a week (2-3) but without a set schedule? Some pages just take me more than others. Is it that big of a deal?
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>>78006608
>sucks he cant fly
He used to be able to fly, but he lost all his powers.
He'll gain them all back over time

>hey where's he keeping his tail?
D-don't ask!
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>>78006652
shit, did someone trick him into saying his name backwards minus the first F?
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>>78006613
as long as it's not more than one a day
and ideally no two updates back to back days either
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>>78006613
To me, personally, as a creator, no it isn't. A set schedule is paramount and I will never change my mind about this.
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>>78006613
No. Figure out a schedule and stick to it. At least pretend you're professional.
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>>78006750
>pretend you're something you're not
didn't you ever learn that lesson? it's a damned storytelling cliche
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>>77991747
"Your" kidding when you say you "fixed all spelling errors", right, son? Because you haven't even begun to correct your spelling, let alone your punctuation, conventions, grammar, and syntax. And trust me: you'd get much better feedback round these parts if you at least tried.
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>>78006776
>>78006750
Okay? No need to get upset.
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>>78006799
Stop it.
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>>78006686
>his name backwards minus the first F
Kla?

Well... I came up with several "plot-twists" for him and I can't wait to reach the point where I'm able to make comics about his past. His loss of power is pretty straight-forward, though. Without underlings, he sucks. The more people he can gather, the stronger he will be.
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>>78006823
dude i'm saying put one out when it's ready. rigidly holding to standards you can't live up to benefits nobody
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>>78006848
HE SAID IT
now we get a free luncch special!
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>>78006874
Alright, you got me there!
Are maggots and pillbugs fine?
It's what demons eat, I swear.
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>>78006900
woosh
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>>78006851
ok then, I'll try to stick as much as possible to a schedule otherwise
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>>78006776
"Hurr durr, I want to write a comic and have dreams of doing something with it as a career but gosh darnit I know I'll never get there."

If you want to build something out of your stories, act like a fucking professional. It makes people want to work with you and support you, and makes it easier for companies to give an okay to approach you. Act like a fucking worthless slouch with a bad work ethic and they'll avoid you like the plague. They asked for advice, they got advice.
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Thumbnailing in the dark on my laptop since the electric is out. I'm not sure if the comment about "the chinese" will make sense though. This is something someone legit said to me but maybe I'll have to add him saying something about mangos to show he's an out of touch old man who thinks manga is from china.
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>>78007083
I think the only people who wouldn't get that are people who already don't know much about where manga comes from. You're probably pretty safe.
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>>78004981
>>78004741
>>78004564

Great. Thanks for the feedback. I don't have a lot of pages completed, but enough to have a set schedule for the next couple of weeks, and of course I'll be working on pages between updates. What with this school semester ending, the schedule might change since I'll have more free time. But for now I'll just keep it at Monday updates. Thanks again anons.
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>>78006997
Let's rephrase so it's more clear: is it better to post lower quality work on time OR being sometimes a little late for the sake of delivering the best you can draw?
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>>78006997
You're describing a situation where you have two options:
Do what you can (doing something)
Refuse to do anything other than what a professional would do (doing nothing)
it's not really difficult to choose there. If he COULD hold to a strict schedule, he wouldn't have asked. Because he can't, the answer is 'no, don't do that'
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>>78007325
It's better to stick to your schedule, because it teaches you how to manage your time instead of hiding behind your lazy excuses.
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>>78007083
I wish my drawings came to life
also, your power's out but your internet's still working? Is it phone-ernet?
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>>78007371
>If he COULD hold to a strict schedule, he wouldn't have asked.

Then he should learn. That's all there is to it.
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>>78007403
Phone internet. Which is why I took a photo of my computer screen.
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>>78007376
You're being ludicrously inflexible. I'd love to know which teachers taught you that was okay.
>>78007325
That's a tricky one. If you only need one more day, I say do it. And for that matter if you notice a glaring mistake later, go ahead and go back and fix it
But if you would have to make major cuts in order to push it out on time, don't do that. You don't want to be like videogames that were rushed out for christmas, or action figures whose features or design were gutted to stay under budget, or tv clip shows, right? The one thing about doing your own thang is you should never have to do that annoying shit the big guys do because of contracts.
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>>78007413
>That's all there is to it.
Whoa, did you guys hear that? This is life-changing! If you can't do something, all you gotta do is learn!!
What fantastic advice!! We need to pay this guy attention
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>>78004483
It's important to have at least a regular set date for updates so that your readers develop a habit to check in every time, otherwise you'll be hemorrhaging readers between updates because they forget your comic even exists. that's also why it's usually easier for audience retention to update as often as possible instead of posting several pages with larger gaps between the updates.
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>>78007474
oh wait
I just realized I said "but" but both things I said were on the same side, that of 'take the time to get it right'
Okay, take what I said.. and anytime those don't apply, go ahead and rush something a little. It's okay to rush the parts you or the audience don't care about as much, because sometimes you have to be practical. You don't wanna get to the point where you're bored, or that will show through, and no amount of careful time taken will make it worth anything
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>>78007508
At the very least, you shouldn't disappear for ages. If you're a day late, you'll be forgiven. If a week goes by and you haven't updated, people will get bored. A month and a lot will give up on you. More than two years and I will give up on you
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>>78007474
Got it. It's definitely a temporary problem which I'm trying to get rid of.

>>78007573
Noted. Thanks!
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>>78007474
He asked for advice, I gave him the correct advice. He already knows that not adhering to a schedule is something you can do, he's asking how important it is to stick to it. And it's VERY important for a lot of different reasons.

>>78007503
Something tells me you were one of those "slow" kids. Self-discipline is a thing. You'd be amazed what not being a lazy cunt enables you to do.
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>>78006613
>Is it acceptable to have multiple updates a week (2-3) but without a set schedule?
Is you just wanna make your comic as a hobby you can do what you want. If you hope to ever make a living doing your comic your unreliable schedule is going to be a huge weight on your potential growth because you're competing for readers with all the creators who are able post their pages on a reliable schedule.

If some pages take you longer to draw to a point that it affects your schedule then you need a buffer to absorb the time from the harder pages.
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>>78007652
Got it. I'll make that a priority.
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>>78007623
>Something tells me you were one of those "slow" kids. Self-discipline is a thing. You'd be amazed what not being a lazy cunt enables you to do.


Holy fucking shit man. Did you listen to yourself?
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>>78006851
>rigidly holding to standards you can't live up to benefits nobody
Never trying to become better and aspiring to more benefits nobody. Your mentality is that of someone forever stuck on the bottom of the food chain. Challenge yourself a bit.
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>>78007325
If your occasional "lower quality pages" are something like 60-80% of your max out then keeping your schedule is more important, big chances are your readers don't even notice the lower quality, but they will notice skipped updates.

If your "lower quality" basically means you frequently have nothing but scribbles finished in time for updates then you need to re-evaluate the time you spend on pages, set a new update schedule accordingly and stick to that.
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>>78007371
>f he COULD hold to a strict schedule, he wouldn't have asked. Because he can't, the answer is 'no, don't do that'
>>78007371
>If he COULD hold to a strict schedule, he wouldn't have asked. Because he can't, the answer is 'no, don't do that'
The answer is "learn to stick to a schedule". If you can't stick to a schedule you can't do something as your job, if you're hired somewhere you'll get fired, if you're working independently you'll get no readers and no money.

He can learn to keep a schedule unless he's a legit invalid, just like almost everyone who is successful at any field has learned to do.
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>>77938220
>>77992716
>>77992765
>>78006837

i hope you people know i have cancer and im dying, your bullying a guy who doesnt have very long to live and just wants to make as many webcomic pages as he can before he dies, i just want to share the results of my hobby with the world before my times up

why do you people bully me for no reason? me specifically, and no one else in these threads?

this is the most active webcomic community on the internet, everywhere else is either completely dead or non existent, its not like i can just go somewhere else because i would if i could

im in a lot of pain, and im dying, my hobby keeps my spirits up a little and these threads are the only way for me to talk to anybody anymore

so for the last time, please, stop telling people not to reply to me, which from my experience people follow the rule religiously as some, no, a lot of people on here have mentioned more than a few times... i dont have much time left in this world so im as good as im going to get and i still take all of your advice and critques into consideration, and this is what i get in return for it, yall going out of your way to tell people not to talk to me when this is the only way i can talk to people... really?

i hope yall know yall are real pieces of shit and theres a special place in hell for each of you
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Wow, bunch of uptight killjoys in this thread.

How about everyone just does their comics at a speed thy like and update when they feel like it? Instead of stressing out about some occasional entitled reader leaving because the pages aren't always exactly on time, we'd have a much nicer and less competitive webcomic community, and even those who can't exactly draw 2 pages a week every week could have a fair share of the success.
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>>78007652
>he thinks webcomics are competing with other webcomics
even printed comics have delays
>>78007623
>>78007719
I am rather flummoxed. I never met anyone in school who had any self-discipline. Those of us getting straight As did so without effort, and everyone else got shitty grades because they didn't study. But the effort expent appeared to be identical. That's american school.

.. can you say expent? does it have to be expended? I'm making it expent now.
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>>78008071
No, shut up. I'm enjoying my anger.
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>>78008071
This. It's not like any of us have fandoms large enough to car.
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>>78003254
Does... does that raccoon have floppy boobs dragging on the ground?
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>>78008071
I think the problem is we all misinterpreted someone's question pretty badly. Whenever people think they're helping by handing out rules and standards, it's immediately snobby to anyone who didn't think that was what someone asked for
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>>78008071
Look, the reader is willing to put up with an unorthodox method of content delivery and consumption- page at a time instead of an entire product- in exchange for the art and writing which they have attributed merit to. But there's going to be a point after which they check so many times when they expect a page and it isn't there, that the art and writing isn't enough of a draw. The unorthodox method of presentation is no longer a good trade off, because it isn't reliable.

The point where people drop the comic is going to be different for everybody, for example some readers like to wait some months and binge read everything that's been released. But if they wait that time and come back and there's only two new pages, they may decide that what they're paying in exchange for the content- their time and effort, the space in their bookmarks, spreading the word- isn't worth what they're getting in return.

For the creators who truly do not care, for which content creation in this form is purely a hobby, that is probably acceptable to them. But from what I understand the people in the conversation are trying to make a living off their content, in which case there are indeed standards that need to be adhered to. These standards have been set by prior models of webcomic consumption, and models of consumption in general which influence people's opinions of what things they consume are worth their time/money. The comics that make money are the ones that give new content at a time which they have stated, when people expect it. It's a kind of contract between creator and consumer. The creator is expected to know the rate at which they can present new content and inform the consumer when and where that content will be to be consumed, and the consumer, if interested, will be there. If you tell them to meet you at a time and place and you'll give them a new page of a comic and you don't show up, the contract ends.
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>>77979880
Whether you are a gardener or not, you still have to understand story structure. You can write and then make sure it works, or you can make sure it works before you write it. Both ways can be used. Both require knowledge of the basics.
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>>78008689
Thanks for making it very clear, I'll make sure to not screw up again with the schedule.
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>>78008689
Readers have decided you have what they want, and so now what you have to do is give them what they want. Readers are even willing to deal with strange times and methods of delivery, compared to other works they are consuming, because that is the nature of this particular industry. You'll just have to inform them when and how you're giving it to them, and they'll take it. It's a minimum of effort on their part the go to your website twice a week, and so you may think that means they would keep doing it because it's not a big deal- rather, it means they'll drop you in a heartbeat. So if someone is wanting to make some kind of living off the people reading their stuff, it behooves them to meet those deadlines.

This is valuable information to have, and I will not pass judgement on those who have it or don't because people learn in different ways. Some of the people saying it may have heard it through reading social websites discussing it, others may have learned it the hard way. Keep it in mind, or don't, especially if you decide it doesn't apply to what you're putting out and trying to get back from creating, but don't call it wrong and talk shit about the people saying it.

There are ways to make schedules work, whatever your work ethic is. Only update once or twice a week, if that's all you feel you can manage at a regular pace. Nobody is going to drop a comic for having a slow schedule if it's regular. Create a buffer zone, meaning have extra comics drawn so you still have something to post even if you didn't finish that weeks pages in time. Take advantage of low readership and an already irregular schedule to create this buffer zone, when it's not going to harm you.
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>>78009022
First sentence in shows you have no idea just how fickle new readers can be. If you want to build a fanbase, you need to be consistent.
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>>78009084
i think 'pap' in the third panel should be written in white so it's visible. because it's important
btw in 7th panel, you misspelled different. and 'everyone' is one word, so if you're gonna break it up, put in a hyphen. Luckily for you, fixing 'different' will give you just enough space to add that hyphen!
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>>78008071
>we'd have a much nicer and less competitive webcomic community, and even those who can't exactly draw 2 pages a week every week could have a fair share of the success
Eeeeh, your logic doesn't add up. If all of us here decide to collectively chill out and just update our comics whenever webcomics as a whole would still be a competitive scene, we'd just take ourselves out of the running for a spot at the popular table.
I'll keep clawing myself up there with all I got.
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Update schedules really don't matter as much as you people think they do. Just look at Lackadaisy cats and Dresden Codak, both are successful enough that the artists can easily make a living with patreon and they've always updated when the artists feel like it. You just have to make a good enough comic and the readers will come and stick with you even through the slow times.
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>>78009185
Fixed, thank you!
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>>78009345
I hope we can at least agree that if a comic is late, it's better to upload it a day or two late than it is to wait until your next scheduled update a week later
can we agree on that at least? because I thought that was the initial conflict but now I'm thinking I was wrong
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>>78009403
The initial question was basically "Can I just upload whenever I finish a page, or should I stick to a schedule?"
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>>78008363
Hahaha yeah, he was introduced thin but as a gag he got bigger when he met the main character (Tyler, with the hat), in an earlier strip and ate his food. For his next appearance in Chapter 2 I thought it'd be funny to just keep him that way. He'll lose it eventually though, I've got that figured out!
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>>78009425
And the general consensus in that it's that it's perfectly okay to update when a page is ready instead of picking a rigid schedule that only causes astress.
Working on comics should be a joy, not a constant drag on your life like other jobs.
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>>78009578
Hahaha yeah no. If that's what you got out of this you're definitely only hearing what you want.

The consensus is that if you don't plan on making a living off of this, do whatever you want. If you want people to take you seriously, get your shit together.
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>>78009425
is that what >>78006613 was asking? because I took it as "Can I just update a few times a week without a schedule, because some weeks i can produce more than other weeks, because some pages take longer than others"
Meaning that the two options were A) update as often as possible or B) update only as many times per week as the absolute minimum you can accomplish, depriving the reader of the occasional 'extra' update, all for the sake of maintaining a consistent schedule
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>>78009578
>>78009697
Consensus is one of those magical words that lets me know not to listen to you anymore. Because it basically means you aren't listening to anyone and don't plan to.
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>>78009782
Okay I just started following this argument.

And seeing this post automatically has me agreeing with whoever you're arguing with. What the fuck.
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>>78009846
Well that's gonna be sticky because I just said that about the two opposing sides, one of whom I agree with. But both of whom are wrong if they think there was a consensus in this debate.

the problem is that before that post, there were several more amicable posts about update schedules, and I think people are confusing those with this
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>>78009846
That's to the power of rhetoric, my friend.
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>>78009759
That was a continuation of the same question, so kind of?

>>78009782
In other words, you only listen to things that agree with your initial thoughts and anything that goes against them is the enemy. Stay ignorant.
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>>78009884
Do you know what consensus means?
Do you know what it means if two people give contradictory "this is the consensus" statements?
Or when ANYONE tries to claim they have won an argument that nobody has yet won (or ever will) by claiming their side is that of consensus? Because that happens a lot. And it evidently works on people like you
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Maybe the next thread will be better.
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>>78009929
> thread will be better.

That will never happen.
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>>78009884
how did you get that out of that post

whatever, we need a new thread soon. has anyone gone through the OP posts and cleared out the 404d pages and such?
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>>78009697
I was the guy who posted the original question

>>78009759
No I didn't explain myself well, I rephrased the question (non-sarcastically) in >>78007325 , what I meant was on time but a little sloppier vs. a day late and nicer looking.

Also I need to make it clear that my replies to all of this were

>>78007621
>>78007673

I think the discussion is a healthy one and while there are arguments against the importance of schedules (Dresden Codak, Lackadaisy) you've also got to admit these are exceptions. The average webcomic doesn't have that luxury.
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>>78009965
I got that out of the post because that's exactly what the post was. Not sure which you're talking about but it's true for both of them.
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>>78009998
It was made pretty clear that there are clear benefits and disadvantages to either option. If you're trying to delude yourself that the consensus was that it's perfectly okay to be lazy about your work then by all means, upload whenever you want.

Guess that's the downside to anonymous advice, someone can just say whatever they think is right without any basis and they'll have people that agree with it.

Let's just say this: When someone makes something for entertainment, be it a youtube channel, a stream, a comic, a story, or even illustration, those who update regularly and stick to a schedule are far more successful than those that don't.
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>>78010124
>If you're trying to delude yourself that the consensus was that it's perfectly okay to be lazy about your work then by all means, upload whenever you want.
... I tried to make it clear in the other post that my only words about this were
>>78007621
>>78007673
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>>78010224
I want you to look at the first thing you hyperlinked in >>78009998 very carefully.
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>>78009084
panel 8 is preddy gud
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>>78007083
I don't really see how it makes sense in context. Is she competing with the "Chinese" somehow? And I don't get why the drawing was insulted unless it's a literal play on him insulting her drawing.
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>>78010031
oh dude, i see, you were adding. you meant to reply to the posts that post was replying to
okay we're on the same page
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>>78009345
>Dresden Codak
I was about to object but then I remember people still shell out tons of dosh for Diaz
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>>78010570
i thought it meant because the chinese outcompete us in everything. but i guess it can also indicate he's talking about 'muh chinese cartoons' and literally thinks that's where anime is from.
and i can only assume the drawing came to life and got insulted because he's a dirty racist drawing who hates the chinese. drawings tend to, because of a prejudice against rice paper
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>>78010570

I think the artist is trying to portray that the teacher can't differentiate or has very little understanding of anime and where it is made, I assume he thinks it's made in China, like a dense non-hip teacher.
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>>78010643
>>78010653

I took it to mean anime but I still don't get the rest of it.
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For whatever it's worth, the guys who taught me how to make comics worked at Marvel and DC as pencilers for years. One of the things that got hammered home while I was at school is that keeping a schedule is INCREDIBLY important in the world of professional comics.

People need to know that you can reliably put out content if you want to do this as a living.

Obviously if you're doing webcomics as a hobby project it doesn't matter, but if you want to do comics seriously you've gotta be consistent about what you put out.
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>>78010799
So what do you do if you absolutely can't get it out at the rate you want to? Cut down on detail? Or just put up with being perpetually late?
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>>78010880
Start earlier. If you can't do an entire page in one night, then just do small amounts of the page every night. Then it should be ready by update day.
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Can i get in trouble if i use names from a phonebook?
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>>78011056
No. Names are pretty generic.

It might raise some eyebrows if you name your character after someone famous though.
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>>78010922
well then you're dead right about professionalism being key: because if you're doing it professionally you won't have another job getting in the way of that
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>>78011056
Can't trademark-protect your name
but be a cool guy and mix up two different people's first and last names instead
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someone who isn't me:
time to make the new thread, you! you'll be a hero. a hero to all of us!
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>>78010726
Not going to respond to everyone because I'm on my phone but this is literally what someone told me while I was drawing in Starbucks once. I draw too slow and I can't compete with the chinese. I'll make what he says before hand be more insulting though. I'll have him call the drawing an ugly cat since she is doodling a cat.
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>>78011175
yeah if the real-guy didnt say 'it's okay' then dont have the fictional guy say that, it only muddles the insultingness and makes him come off like a teacher

one time around 2001 or so i was drawing for some kids i was looking after in church, some generic anime stuff, mostly sailormoon style, and some older (but younger than me) girls walk by all "is that a pokeyman?" to the drawing of the magical miniskirt girl
i was dumbfounded
she walks off muttering "the pokeyman. and the pokeychu" to her friend
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>>78010880
Don't listen to >>78011120
There were artists renowned for finishing over 400 pages in a month. If they can do 400 quality pages in a month, you can find time in your "busy" schedule to get out a page or two.
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>>78011247
Irl he did say my art was fine but I draw too slow so I can't compete with the chinese. I have pain in my hands so I do what I can...not that he would care. He then showed me his dull artwork. It was weird. I'll just have him be insulting then!

On another note, I can finally use my light box again so I've made progress on Teeth.
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>>78011320
>>>78010880(You)
>Don't listen to >>78011120(You)

>>77956052
This keeps happening!!!
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>>78011324
Gotta admire his eagerness to socialize with strangers at least. he's just gotta be nicer and less of a dumbtard.
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>>78011324
People like that pop up every now and then. They tend to be the bitter people that didn't get where they wanted to be, probably because they thought having a consistent schedule didn't matter.
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>>78011324
I wouldn't worry too much about that.

Mangaka have assistants that work with them. In a lot of series, the main artist pencils the characters and does a rough sketch for the backgrounds, and they have assistants who do all the inking, lettering, background art, and toning for them.

Even in american comics they have different guys for pencils, inks, and colors.

Also mangaka literally have no lives outside of drawing manga. The one piece guy barely sleeps, and the HunterXHunter guy was doing comic pages from a hospital bed.

In webcomics, as long as you can meet your update schedule, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, that's all your fans really care about.
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>>78011375
He was an older Turkish man. My Turkish friend said he was probably trying to flirt with me in a weird way. Happens all the time to be honest. The art is just a way people and start a convo with.
>>78011378
He tried to talk himself up so I assumed he did stuff but I didn't really care and stopped talking to him and he tried to brag.
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>>78011415
Oh I wasn't concerned about it. These stripe I'm making are just taking things people tell me and having them happen to someone who can make them stop without being rude or angry about it. It's more that people are giving her advice or comments she didn't ask for and they kinda get bit in the butt when weird stuff happens because of what they say
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>>78011443
>look, I draw good drawing, I get preety american girl to go on a date
>yes chief but you got to tell her her drawing ees no good, that way she need you
>hehehe you are right my friend
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new thread time. get it going. cmon now
hope someone's checking those links, checkin em for correctitude.
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>>78012130
my siiiiides

new thread now. make it
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>>78013017
No.
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>>78013160
well somebody'd better
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>>78013188
This is the last How's Your Webcomic thread ever.
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>>78013311
Fuck we dont even know what number it is. is it #216? I think it is. so next one is #217
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