>It's been a hecuva ride...
We doin' this.
All Star Section Eight
Amanda Conner is awesome, BTW.
Give it a bump if you're reading.
Even more than Ennis being back on the Hitman characters, seriously I can't believe he's back on Supes.
Probably more than anything else, the one thing that I'll take away from this series is getting to see Ennis write Superman one last time.
Miller and Moore hate superheroes as well, but I don't see anyone complaining about their books.
I wouldn't say that Miller hates capes, but Moore sure does, and yes people complain about their books. The difference is that Moore has integrity; he hates capes = he doesn't write capes, he doesn't want to be near capes. I don't have to agree with him, but I can respect that.
For that matter pretty much every britbong writer except Morrison and Millar hate the genre. No one seems to get assblasted over any of them except Ennis though for some reason.
That's because Moore is insane. Incredibly talented, sure, but also completely out of his mind nuts. We don't hold him to the same standards as anyone else because it would be unreasonable to do so.
Miller once said that "superheroes are incredibly stupid" and that "I hate superheroes". That's why he wrote Batman Year One as a vigilante story and not a full blown "superhero" one in a traditional sense, and why he stripped Daredevil of his powers and turned it into a book about ninjas.
And Moore wrote a shitload of superhero comics. Do you even read what you type?
And no one "complains" about old school Miller cape books. GTFO of here with that.
Point is no one hates Watchmen just because the writer hates the genre.
In other words, he hated what superheroes were at the time, and he wanted them to be more serious. He succeeded.
Gee, I know that Moore wrote superhero comics, but he doesn't write capes anymore, you know?
It seems like you misread my posts on purpose, or you are illiterate
He hates superheroes PERIOD and he's said so many times.
>making shit up
>being a faggot
>For that matter pretty much every britbong writer except Morrison and Millar hate the genre.
Superheroes are quintessentially American. You can't expect Brits to really get them.
You can be buttblasted all you want, but it won't change the fact that both Miller and Moore are heavily criticized for their works, even the classic ones. And if you don't feel the difference between Miller's attitude and Moore's then you are either autistic, or you're too young to know better. Both Miller and Moore's disatisfaction with capes comes from their experiences with Marvel, however one went to DC, the other went to Image.
I skimmed through HITMAN once, but I'm right now a bit confused. Why does everyone holds a drunk deluded bum as Sixpack in such high regards?
Is it because he tries so hard?
Him and Millar are the best post-Crisis Superman writers.
Or maybe you're just a massive homosexual.
Only a few of them really and only occasionally.
If Miller really hated superheroes, he wouldn't write Holy Terror with a Batman rip-off. If Miller really hated superheroes, he wouldn't do DKIII.
What Miller hates is publishers. It's a subtle difference. Moore on the other hand, hates everything.
Hit and miss if you ask me. and they're best when they keep far away from the "Capes and powers" crew, because they REALLY don't seem to get those, and stick to unpowered vigilante types.
Actually won the argument and proved the "other" poster
who's clearly you, faggotwrong.
There's an ad in here for Batman vs. TMNT. Does anyone know when that comes out?
A while back, Gotham was invaded by these reality-destroying demons called The Many-Angled Ones, which were essentially going to consume the world. Sixpack stood up to them and managed to drive them off, all alone, seemingly at the expense of his own life. We don't really know how he managed it, only that he held the line, all by himself, with most of his team already having been killed, against the end of the world. A singular feat of heroism.
I'm skipping the ads in the back, so that does it.
And that's the issue. And the mini for that matter.
What'd everyone think?
Download in the Win-O' of course.
S'okay. Still think Ennis is best when he moves away from his half-baked musings on capes, and just writes something he's more comfortable with, like Punisher. Although, the old Section 8 in Hitman, >>77866047 this issue at least, was very good, and I can't help feeling a little bit like this shits on it. Sixpack got a great ending in that, and I'm not exactly sure when they undid it, but I'm a bit disappointed.
Six-Pack was a recovering alcoholic who had a violent relapse in public and stumbled out into the hostile cold of winter. The mini-series is his dying dream which is why Batman, Green Lantern, Phantom Stranger, and all the rest are so warped and deranged as these versions of them are being generated by a depraved, unstable mind.
The "threat" he is hyping up for much of the series is his own impending death by hypothermia. Naturally, he must face it alone. Which is why all the other Section 8 members either die or are rendered unavailable.
>Naturally, he must face it alone. Which is why all the other Section 8 members either die or are rendered unavailable.
You just blew my mind.
Of course, he has to do it as Six Pack, and naturally drunk. It's a dichotomy.
That's actually a pretty good finale
>mfw the argument in this thread is more amusing and hilarious than the comic itself
Sideney is struggling with the reality tgat is his life and finds comfort in his drunken persona that is 6pac who lives this fantastical life, but he can feel something wrong throughout the entire thing and is inspired by Superman to make the return to reality.
Supes stops him from freezing to death and I like to imagine he knows how 6pac saved everyone and was talking him down from throwing his life away.
because it's a comicbook about capes. It doesn't have to make sense.
What about Sixpack being a respected hero makes less sense than anything related to Joker, or Batman for instance?
The Hitman cast mostly tolerated him because he was funny and harmless and he fit right in with their low opinion of most superheroes.
And then he saved the world from extradimensional horrors.
Not as good an ending compared to the ones from the hitman arcs.
Still was great to see ennis and mcrea back together again though.
8/10 desu families with it carried by the jokes and visual gags more than story
I found it a bit hit & miss, with the last issue being pretty weak to me.
There's been some very funny moments, like most of Baytor, Batman struggling to deal with a parking ticket and to prove that he's not racist, and the hip-hop phantom stranger, but some issues weren't all that funny, and I don't know if the overall plot was enough to really drive the series along.
gotcha senpai. may this serve as a capstone of sorts to this issue.
He doesn't really hate them, he just doesn't like them, and he finds them silly so he takes the piss out of them now and then.
He likes some of the ideas in Superman's concept, so when he writes the odd story about him, he has something to write about.
Grant Morrison too. Wrote in his book that loves Watchmen for its storytelling and visual craft, but hates what he does to the concept of superheroes.
>The X-Men too? Weird, of all cape parodies in The Boys, the X-Men one was actually heartwarming and cute.
Tragedic would be a better description. They were all kidnapped as children, turned into supes, and in return they got endless supply of stuff. All of that was so cool for the mind of a child, they put up with old man Godolkin raping them as kids.
They were all just a bunch of broken kids.
The rape was implied, however there were also these frat New Mutants-riff that were shown as a cool kids, but a little brainwashed. All in all, I remember that it was very inoffensive for Morrison. Also, they way that they were killed, it reminded me of Purifiers killing that bus full of children...
>but hates what he does to the concept of superheroes.
His objection wasn't over what it did to the concept of superheroes so much as limits its characters. He preferred Miracleman over Watchmen anyway.
Well this is depressing and.. cute? Here's my take.
the entire story is a dream, Sid had a relapse and is drunk in NY, he was succumbing to Hypothermia and was losing his reason to live in his dream.
Real Superman finds him and wraps him in his cape, and dream Superman gives him the talk. This gives dream and real Sid the will to continue on.
For better or for worse, Sid chose life.
>you will never be glorious bueno exellente
pain is eternal
Just because it's a dream doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Remember anon, ALL OF DC COMICS IS FICTIONAL. Why is this story more or less real than any other story that takes place in thag universe?
I don't think Garth Ennis is very good. At all.
Stuff like Wormwood is the most stereotypically "edgy Atheist" shit imaginable. He just seems like a teenager stuck in a comic book writer's body.
Wehter it's all in Sixpack's mind or not, what I like the most of all is that Superman is the only one who really cared about him, like everyone shat on him or was useless in helping him but Superman cared enough to make him feel better.
Fucking Ennis really gets him.
Part of this thread sounds like as if the posters from Bo News just stopped by.
>Cassidy is Ennis' self-insert
>How dare Jesse be able to beat the shit out of him, he's such a Mary Sue this makes no sense
U fecking wat m8?
He only likes Superman, Superman is the only hero he can do something positive about and it shows in Hitman and JLA/Hitman crossover that he puts him above the others.
He likes to shit on Kyle Rayner and on Batman though, and he is very neutral to characters like Wonder Woman and Flash (maybe Hal too) although he writes them like jerks.
But Superman he likes, he makes his Sidney's guiding angel and the guy who convinces him that everything is going to be all right in the end and Sidney believes him, also Tommy Monaghan says in Hitman that all superheroes are idiots but that Superman is the only exception.
You made us feel again.
So yeah. Basically, if it's edgy, The Boys went there.
It still only IMPLIES that he raped them. You really have a dirty mind, you know? He could very well force them to play the naked twister. I know that shit would scar me for life. Or he could want to play a doctor Jizzago. Seriously, it only proves that Ennisfags are uncurable perverts.
The thing is, someone said that Ennis hated X-Men. I don't see how that proves that he hates them, considering that his parody of Prof X is barely a parody, as he is a villified pedo-jerk in comics as well.
Another thing is that the characters felt very sympathetic, despite being damaged (which again, feels more like a homage, rather than a parody), as opposed to other supes who were just a mean-spirited satirize, and presented as hedonists, killers, rapists, fuckups, and etc. The characters are broken, but not unlike the X-Men, who also are broken.
I do know that Ennis hates Wolverine, but Ennis hates a certain types of alpha male macho characters, as he also hates Lobo.
Ennis is a white knight, so he obviously hates stereotypical males. After all, for Ennis, there is no greater sin than hitting a woman, and it's an unforgivable sin. There is literally NO redemption for that in Ennis' opinion.
>After all, for Ennis, there is no greater sin than hitting a woman, and it's an unforgivable sin. There is literally NO redemption for that in Ennis' opinion.
jesus fucking christ
pretty sad ending, isn't it.
I exaggerated a little, but it's something that Ennis self-inserts in Cassidy's last appearance as vampire in the final issue of Preacher. I do believe that Ennis has a white knight in him.
Funny thing is, it's hardly a parody, when such shit happens in the source material. Especially now, when DisMarvel is butthurt about the Fox. I wonder if X-Men are the punching bags and jobbers of Marvel Universe? They get bullied by literally everyone.
One thing I wonder about The Boys.
The comic is obviously Ennis showing off what he hates in comics, and what he loves in comics as well. But why did he make The Boys ultimately a
villain organization?. Someone can explain?
There are nov villains or good guys in the boys. They all are ordinary scum with too much power for their own good, with bad and good trades.
Also, edgy cool bad boys are Ennises go to.