In my opinion, the Hunchback of Notre Dame is the closest any animated movie has come to perfection
(slightly tainted by the FUCKING gargoyles)in terms of my tastes as an adult. Esmeralda is one of my favorite animated movie characters of all time.
I respect your opinion, though I can't begin to understand it
wish i had the webm of zigzag doing his card tricks
Why so many of them are "cute animals killing ach other on realistic ways"?
Well man, there is so much things better. I mean, the movie was good, but things like Secret of Kells, Song of the Sea, or even Coraline and many others, are superior omp.
Absolutely yes, if not top ten material. My personal favorite ever.
>Director: The Sublime Patron of Dreams
Here's my 3x3...
Y'all mothafuckas step aside, the true GOAT animated film is coming through
As far as Disney goes. It's underrated as fuck.
Atlantis is a close contender.
i dunno if this counts, but they seemed to do a really good job with the whole animation in reality thing, remember seeing a few other movies like that but didn't seem to give the right punch to it.
>rip Bob Hoskins :(
It brought nothing new to the table bu recycled every great trope and generic action sequence from actual good movies
so its basically content aggregation the film, yet somehow still lovable
deals with metafictional stuff like the nature of a hero and the power of stories, too
also the villain is amazing
>bu recycled every great trope and generic action sequence from actual good movies
isn't it supposed to be a parody of those movies, it would make sense that they would reuse the tropes and rework them to lego style
>not Shrek 2
>no one has posted the best
This is a good list...I can't agree with all of it but it's good.
>there will never be a bonus feature in the incredibles2 DVD where megamind and enda argue about capes for the whole episode, ending with minion cutting in and having a geek out about design
>there will never be a fanfic about this
why even wake up in the mornings
I'f they'd gotten proper Broadway actors (The actors used are still very good though) it'd be much more highly regarded.
>Shit, I just looked it up. Apparently I watched Hunchback 2, never actually saw the first one.
holy shit, anon, you made me spit out my water
>young syndrome sees megamind as his new 'hero'
>After contemplating a lot he decides to propose a team up
>megamind is flattered but laughs in his face, says he isn't even a B-tier villain and can't even be considered "super" because he lacks presentation
>this is the first of many things that leads him to become the villain of the first movie
>his face when he survived at he reads the supervillain newspaper daily and it says in the front page megamind a s-tier villain turned a new leaf
It was definitely my favorite disney movie as a kid. Esmerelda was probably my first /co/ crush.
>Shit, I just looked it up. Apparently I watched Hunchback 2, never actually saw the first one.
Deleted that one to post the updated one
++ Waltz with Bashir, Fantasia
+Akira, Mary and Max, Prince Achmed
+/- 5 cm, Laputa
++ Secret of Kells, Nausicaa
+ Wreck it Ralph, Asterix and Obelix: Olympics, How to train a dragon (I liked the 2nd one more), Mary and Max, Ratatouille
+/- Wolf Children
Alan Rickman needs to play Judge Frollo at some point
Have Andy Serkis Mocap Quasimodo and whoever is pretty at the moment for Esmarellda and you've restored Disney's live action credibility
Shall we pray?
I just keep returning to Beauty and the Beast. The revolutionary animation in the ballroom scene, the character cast, and the fucking music. Alan Menken must have made some deal with the devil when he scored this, Little Mermaid, Aladdin and Hunchback.
The intro gives me chills every time.
And every time that theme repeats:
>32. The Cat Came Back
FUCK that cartoon does not belong on that list
Utena, Haibane Renmei, Tatami Galaxy
FLCL, Mononoke, Kaiba
Texhnolyze, Evangelion, Lain
Perfect Blue, Kaguya, Millennium Actress
Nausicaa, Angel's Egg, Beautiful Dreamer
End of Evangelion, Mind Game, Sadness of Belladonna
Yellow Submarine, Tale of Tales, Heavy Metal
Waltz with Bashir, Secret of Kells, Feherlofia
Persepolis, Alice, It's such a Beautiful Day
The animated series are all recognizable probably.
You don't know shit anon
let's just turn this into a recommendation thread
Disney did too. You know why Yensid looks scary as fuck? Because the animators created him using Walt as their inspiration, even the expression he gives Mickey in the end was the same face he'd give the animators.
It had good animation and shot composition, but I personally found the narrative rather unengaging and the designs rather ugly. I watched it more for educational/historical reasons.
+Fantasia, Toy Story 2, Mary & Max
Need to see Waltz with Bashir and Castle in the Sky.
+Wreck-It Ralph, HTTYD, Kells, Mary & Max, Nausicaa, Ratatouille
+Kells, Persepolis, Such a Beautiful Day
.5 for Yellow Submarine - don't think it's a great movie, but damn is it fun
now that's some good taste
Highly underrated film...
I came into here just to post this.
>the sea prince and the fire child
Maybe art design looks better, don't think animation does and when it does it's in works inspired highly by western animation: Miyazaki, Yuasa, Takahata, Otomo or Koike. Plus some animators really stand out like Mitsuo Iso.
Easily the best of the last 10 years or so.
Chomet's stuff beautifully actualizes this Miyazaki concept.
His animations aren't simply stylistic amalgams of other films, they're drawn directly from personal observation and introspection.
It's so good and underrated that Isao Takahata ( Director of Grave of the Fireflies, The Tale of the Princess Kaguya) bought the copyrights for Studio Ghibli to dub the film in Japanese and release the film in Japan so it will be more well-known.
Just finnished it. Why do things just end like this, holy shit. Just kill me now.
Also, InsideOut is 10/10 for me.
10/10 is pretty fucking hard, but I think these ones would be my top contenders.
>Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
>The Lion King
>The Iron Giant
>Who Framed Roger Rabbit (if we're including hybrids)
>Akira (if we're including anime)
Ninja Scroll was better.
nah I found it to be pretty enjoyable actually, thanks for reminding me of it
I recall the MC's love interest flashing her boobs at him at some point in one scene near the end though
I wouldn't call these the best but for the past few days I've been watching this series and I just finished the third one a couple hours ago so right now for me would be the first one out of the series with the second one a few feet behind, the third was meh but I liked the mom origin story. I like other animated films but I guess right now I'm filled with childhood nostalgia because I keep playing the songs in my head causing me to like it more plus Ariel is kind of hot in the first film even if she is "16" to me she looks like early 20s. Btw I'm a guy and I have no shame about watching them... maybe a tidbit.
From the ones I've seen recently, I quite enjoyed Jack and the Kekoo-Clock Heart
Yeah, she did.
I was so, so hesitant to watch that. Literally zero interest, no idea what it was other than 'animated Johnny Depp is Johnny Depping It Up in Animated Land'.
As it turns out, one of my favorite animated movies. Just fucking amazing looking, -and- a Western (of sorts).
I'm glad it's at least appreciated in the dark corners of the net.
It's among the best 3D animated movies for me, mainly for the designs. Other contenders: Wall-E (overall), How to Train a Dragon 2(scenography), Kung Fu Panda 2(action sequences) and Inside Out.
6/8, +Castle in the Sky, Waking Life
3.5/5, -Ralph, +/- Secret of Kells (kind of a love-hate relationship, I change my opinion every time I see it)
3/8, +Millenium Actress, -NIMH
I see a predilection towards 2deep4u material.
I'm surprised how little love The Illusionist got around the people I usually talk with.
I mean it can be accused of being a bit simplistic, but I think it's still everything it wanted to be.
If you mean KFP2 then here is a link
I got two words for ya...
Do you guys think that sometime someone can make an adults-only infographic of animated stuff that isn't Family Guy/Simpsons tier?
Like I get asked this question a lot and wouldn't mind just having a picture handy instead of having to type out a list.
It's not wrong, per se, since they both get the same point across, But with the Creativity example its more of the idea of art reflecting life, rather art reflecting art, if that makes sense.
And that just leads to the question of when referencing becomes cliche/plagarism/whatever.
Feel free to add more or debate on these. The aim is to find stuff that really has more adult/mature themes, not just having enough gore/nudity/swearing that it's not for kids. Think more Watchmen
this is just an examplethan Johnny the Homicidal Maniac.
At the outset, I'd argue that we can put in some fantasy stuff as long as it sticks to this. Also, I'm including some anime because I don't think many /a/spies would be interested in this sort of thing.
This kind of list is mostly so adults know this kind of animation exists, and it treats adults like a mature audience that can handle what's there. Granted, they don't have to be rated R, but rated R is a helpful indicator.
A Scanner Darkly
Chico and Rita
Grave of the Fireflies or Barefoot Gen
It's Such a Beautiful Day
My Dog Tulip
Pink Floyd's The Wall
Rock and Rule?
The Suicide Shop?
The Triplets of Belleville?
Waltz with Bashir
When the Wind Blows
Animated TV Series (even harder to find than movies IMO):
Spawn (I'm including these purely by virtue of the fact that they're the only animated cape series I can think of that even are aimed mostly at adults)
The Life and Times of Tim
Neon Genesis Evangelion (Like it or not, it's the Watchmen of mecha series. I mean this in both its maturity level, popularity, and polarizing opinions/interpretations.)
i think it really shows how pathetic living conditions were back then and how small time the kings lived.
Granted it may not be, strictly speaking, "good" or "deep" but I think it's underrated.
I'd get rid of anime. I mean, /a/ has tons of great list for this and no offence but it seems you're not too well versed in the medium. I'll add some titles concerning western stuff when I have a moment.
The infographic isn't for underrated animation, though. It's for animation that tells a mature story, meaning one that explores issues that adults face in a meaningful way.
Again, gore, profanity, and tits do not a mature story make.
/a/ has a mature/seinen rec list??
There is a lot of shit taste in this thread.
For anyone who hasn't seen The Tale of the Princess Kaguya, it comes to mind as the only 10/10 fucking masterpiece in recent years. There is a lot of terrible anime out there but when they get it right, they get it so fucking right.
Not defending the Beowulf film, because it was terrible, but the story of Beowulf which WAS reasonably translated to the film, is a mature one. It is a story of conquering and succession and the rights of a king and how the downfall of man stems from his own actions and hubris. These aren't really family themes.
>movie is called fucking Kung Fu Panda 2
never judge a book by its cover, jesus Christ
also best villain
I was going to recommend, but you already did.
It's a beautiful movie, helps to know is about
hereditary mental illness.
what should i take out and what should i add
going to add
>kirkirou and the sorceress
>snoopy come home
>les maitres du temps
>the last unicorn
>the brave little toaster
>rock and rule
>These aren't really family themes.
I don't think I'd fully agree with you and here's why.
>It is a story of conquering and succession and the rights of a king
Kids read fantasy literature with these themes, and the topic is addressed in some works aimed for kids. (And many prominent religious texts do as well, which are definitely under the purview of family.)
>how the downfall of man stems from his own actions and hubris
This is a pretty universal theme that pops up in a surprisingly diverse array of stories/animated works, and many of them are aimed at kids.
It wasn't the story itself or its themes that was the reason for Beowulf's rating. It was the T&A and gore. Can I theoretically make an adaptation of Beowulf that lacks these things? Sure I can. Would it still be accessible for kids? Most likely. And this is not a problem at all!
Conversely, I can put a lot of inappropriate humor, violence, and nudity into a simple premise with one-note characters and market it towards "adults". (Tellingly enough, though, kids will still eat these types of shows up and ask for more. They have stories they can easily understand AND has stuff they can giggle at while looking over their shoulder in case Mom walks in.)
But there are some topics that kids, growing up in a safe and more-or-less normal state of
existence, can't (or hopefully shouldn't) fully understand at that age. More importantly, though, they treat these topics in a manner that respects an adult audience and more importantly an adult mental capability.
>tl:dr-- There are some storytelling themes and premises that both kids and adults can appreciate, which isn't a bad thing at all. It's why this board exists and why we talk about a lot of media aimed for kids, after all. But there are stories whose complexity and content make it clear that they are aimed at adults. Those are what the infographic's for.
Pretty solid list so far.
I commend adding the three dark animal movies too. I wouldn't a
However, I'd be a little bit careful in what you add out of that list. Don't confuse universal themes adults can relate to (what the "family" label is ostensibly for) with themes aimed squarely at an adult audience.
>Animal Farm (mostly for the element of satire there)
>Mary and Max (forgot about that one)
>Les maitres du temps
>The Rabbi's Cat (forgot about that one, too)
Gandahar and Rock and Rule I'd be okay with, too, I guess.
I'm kind of on the fence with The Last Unicorn.
If we'd want to have a family-themed one of these, a lot of that list would make great additions. Something like: /co/'s Family Movie Starter Pack or something.
I don't mind having anime - I'd be interested in seeing what anime /co/ likes as opposed to /a/ - but you'd probably want to keep them to their own section/guide.
I see people calling TLU an adult film pretty often here. I don't know how much I agree with that (versus it being a family film that adults can enjoy) but I don't think it's out of place on that list.
>as opposed to /a/
I didn't know that I wanted this.
What should I start adding to it?
So, more to add or delete?
>we are the strange
>i am nightmare
>fire and ice
Adult /a/ movies from /co/
>garden of words
>grave of the fireflies
I havent watched a lot of /a/
If you don't know a lot about /a/ maybe you should leave that one to someone else.
Though I have another infographic idea I just came up with:
/CO/’s DISNEY-FREE FAMILY MOVIE STARTER PACK
Secret of NIMH
An American Tail
The Land Before Time
The Prince of Egypt
The Secret of Kells
Cat’s Don’t Dance
Snoopy Come Home
Kirikou and the Sorceress
Ernest and Celestine
The Brave Little Toaster
The Iron Giant
Road to El Dorado
How To Train Your Dragon
Who Framed Roger Rabbit (??)
Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night
Shaun the Sheep Movie
Wallace and Gromit (Were-Rabbit or other movie)
The Book of Life?
1 good Asterix movie
Hmm... I know the topic is "adult-only animation", but I feel uncomfortable getting rid of TBLT. I think the experiences of watching it as a kid and as an adult are profoundly different, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to someone looking for mature animation, even if they'd already seen it as a kid.
I would say the same about TLU. So either they both belong, or they both don't.
I think having three categories would work best here: (1) animation that is not intended for or is unlikely to appeal to most kids, like Felidae and Persepolis, (2) family animation that can give adults a significantly different experience, like TBLT and TLU, or has stronger themes than most children's animation, like Plague Dogs, and (3) family animation that is especially good but isn't so different for an adult vs. a kid.
I can do this to
yellow submarine and kirkour is just weird, so idk if its a family movie
been a while since ive seen it
book of life was one of the worst movies ive ever seen, but at least had some good designs
asterix and the vikings
wallace and gromit the were-rabbit
haven't seen the illusionist or feherlofia
Does this count as anime?
Regardless, it's really good, and it really sorta captures what Animal Crossing is about (albeit taking a few liberties, but that's fair).
It seems like most of the first two of these categories have been folded into the first infographic. Mostly because of who the movie was intended for. I'd be okay with having a little of 2 and most of 3 being considered "family" animation.
I personally never saw TBLT as a kid but imo the intent of the infographic is to give to someone who brushes off animation as an inferior medium for kids, or for someone looking for movies that pull no punches discussing polarizing topics.
I just put some out there to start some discussion. Especially since by cutting out Disney/Pixar, it'd give more obscure movies a chance to be discussed.
IMO, a "family" movie is a movie that has a simple enough narrative/theme for kids to understand but still has meaning/relevancy for adults to stay engaged in. Furthermore, it does so without coddling or being condescending towards either audience
Add at least 1 Peanuts movie.
Hell, maybe even the most recent one.
Some potential additions:
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Is the Man Who Is Tall Happy?
Allegro Non Troppo
Was The Last Unicorn really created with adults in mind? And I disagree with The Wall being taken out.
>Chuck Jones' Rikki-Tikki-Tavi
>The Cat in the Hat (2D)
>The Grinch Who Stole Christmas (2D)
>The Lorax (2D)
The Muppet Movie (the first one) inb4 "bought by Disney"
>The Magic Roundabout (NOT DOUGAL)
Probably just movies. Otherwise, we'd get a deluge of Fleischer stuff. Not that there's anything wrong with that but it's not the point.
I dunno. Our family had The Snowman, The Grinch who Stole Christmas, and The Cat in the Hat on cassette, so I guess I forgot those were technically shorts.
I'd still go with the movie that introduces the characters in a "starter pack" but that's just me.
the animatrix is /a/. its by studio 4c
i liked snoopy come home the most
at least one exists
i'll just delete it
It's just that the animation is pretty noteworthy so it just seems weird not to mention it.
Kill Bill has like 1 sequence. The Wall has several at significant moments and together it's longer than just five minutes - I think it's 15 in total.
Simply for the quality of those 15 minutes I feel like it's significant. It's not an adult animated movie but it has animation created for adults.
>the animatrix is /a/. its by studio 4c
It features two American directors though, and is arguably an collaborative international film. Since only two of the films are in overtly animu styles it's something I would include.
Peter Chung yo.
I checked my stash of lists, and this and the CN was all i found, so maybe we do?
There's a decent representation of /co/ movies, but they're mostly pleb-tier.
I'd be down for it.
Reminds me of the Christmas tape we ALWAYS played. Had stuff like this one weird Nutcracker but more importantly The Year Without a Santa Claus.
Isn't the Animatrix a bit more towards teenagers in audience, though???
how should we divide it?
>cn specials, nick special, disney specials, rankinbass, charlie brown
>co christmas movie guide
>co stop motion christmas movies
best matrix sequel,
has a ton of deaths onscreen
we'll just stick to this one then
>Isn't the Animatrix a bit more towards teenagers in audience, though???
What makes you think that? I remember falling asleep on all but the really violent short as a teen watching it, actually.
Most of it's pretty slow paced and artsy-visual, not something that appeals to teens.
I'm just saying that just by virtue of it being an adaptation of an R-rated movie wouldn't really fit in on a chart called a -family- starter pack.
We've got lists of generic /co/ recs, these are for people who in the future want to show their little kids some good movies instead of Minions 8 or Alvin and the Chipmunks 16 or something.
Therefore, little kids are an audience that needs to be considered. Also,
>slow-paced and artsy-visual
appeals even less to little kids than it does to teens.
Whoa, was just about to start a thread asking for a film recommendation list for my 7-8 year old cousins. I watch a bunch of animated movies myself, was just worrying I might forget something good they might end up liking.
My cousin is pretty much obsessed with Frozen, the funny part is that she only watched it once at a friend's house, which is the reason I'm trying to get her and her sibilings to get to know more movies.
So far I put: HTTYD, The Little Mermaid, Tangled, The Incredibles, The Lion King, Brave, Shrek and a few others
I wonder if they might like Wall E, the intro is pretty long.
>obsessed with Frozen
Uh oh. Better fix that up right quick.
Pretty solid list though, albeit a bit entry-level. The movies you've got are a pretty good mix, and all have pretty strong female characters. Not to sound like a SJW or anything, but one reason little girls loved Frozen was that Elsa is basically a superpowered princess.
I'd also suggest Mulan and maybe even an older Disney movie. Something like Lady and the Tramp or The Aristocats.
For little kids, I'd say go ahead with WALL-E. There's at the least enough slapstick in it to stay entertained until EVE shows up.
If they're patient enough with WALL-E, then I'd totally show them Song of the Sea, The Secret of Kells, or even like Bambi.
Also, I'd totally also recommend Kiki's Delivery Service as well. Really fun and kid-friendly Miyazaki romp, and it has a girl protagonist. Also Ponyo as well, come to think of it.
Can't put animu shit because most of it isn't dubbed in our language, and they don't know English very well yet.
I've put Rise of the Guardians too but I doubt they'll get most of it (we don't celebrate xmas and easter), the only reason I'm trying to put it there is because they saw a picture of Jack Frost next to Elsa and asked who he was.
Was wondering about Mulan too, guess I should put it there. Thanks for the help by the way.
You can add Guardians of Ra'Ghoule. Mediocre plot desu, but the visuals were probably the best I've seen in any 3d animated film.The Hobbit, Fern Gully and James and the Giant Peache could fit there too. Animatrix doesn't belong there, Allegro non Troppo neither.
>and they don't know English very well yet.
In that case I'd totally rec that Shaun the Sheep movie that just came out. Completely dialogue-free and really funny.
Also, now I get why you'd want to show WALL-E too.
Just wondering, what country are you guys in?
Seconding Hobbit and James and the Giant Peach. Need at least one Rankin-Bass in there.
Again, though, these are rec lists aimed more at normies than people drooling over "muh animation".
There are already enough of those here...
You know, I actually would not be averse to putting in a couple of the better CGI movies out there.
>Ice Age: The first one is legit good. Watched it like all the fucking time when I was younger.
>Kung Fu Panda
>Shaun the Sheep movie that just came out. Completely dialogue-free and really funny.
Probably one of the few movies in this thread I haven't watched yet so it's a recommendation for them and for me as well.
Israel Good part is that they might not understand Rise of the Guardians but if they listened a little in their classes they would enjoy Prince of Egypt which is one of my favorite Dreamworks films
That's pretty neat. And yeah, I'd totally be into an animated musical about my nation's history.
I do feel kinda obligated to ask if you've seen Waltz with Bashir and/or The Rabbi's Cat...
Bambi's also one of those movies with fairly minimal dialogue as well. And it's old enough that it's probably been subbed at the least. Same goes for many of the bigger-name stuff, I feel.
Has /co/ ever made a poll like this? It would be interesting to see the results for films. Series and comic books like-wise. Anyone know how they avoid people voting multiple times?
Saw Bashir, haven't seen the Rabbi's Cat. Gonna check it right now.
And yeah all Disney/Pixar/Dreamworks/etc films have been dubbed, it's only anime films that barely get dubbed here.
The only way I could think of pulling that off on 4chan itself would be to invade /pol/ or something and use its IDs as confirmation of not stuffing ballots. Don't think it'd work out, though.
The mere thought of what'd happen is amusing to ponder, though...
Either that or just make a survey on a third-party that logs IP's to prevent cheating.
Very few, close to none. I can't even name recent ones.
If the film is for a hit series (like Pokemon) it'd get dubbed, but if it's a standalone film it won't. Actually we don't even get to watch Pokemon and other popular anime series on TV anymore, most of what kids watch today are dubbed US cartoons.
I like the American Tail series. Picked the first two up at Target recently. Not as good as I remember but still pretty solid.
The amount of stuff you miss out on if you watch Kung Fu Panda 2 without seeing the first, is no different than the amount of stuff you miss out on, if you watch the 12 Tasks of Asterix without knowing the comics or the first 2 movies.
Really the only thing you need to know to get that movie, is:
>Panda's power is Maximum
>Panda's Papa is not The Baby Daddy
Once you've got that, there is nothing you're really missing out on in the core of the movie.