Invincible Iron Man #2 Sells 76.15% Less Issues Than #1

>>77843499
#1 shipped with two hundred cover variants.

>>77843499
Eh, they'll just relaunch it again. Marvel doesn't give a shit.

Bendis is on suicide watch?

Iron Man never sells comics what are you so surprised about?

I just want Uncanny Shithumans to die a painful death.

>>77843536
Marvel wants him to be the new flagship character

>>77843499
So the second Iron Man ongoing is presumably cancelled then?

>>77843499
I don't think you understand how Diamond Sales work. Issue 1 and 2 came out the same month, meaning the Diamond sales reflect LCS' pre-orders for the first two issues, which was done at the same time. LCSes over-ordered issue 1 because it had a shitton of variants and it was an issue 1, while ordering what they thought would actually sell for issue 2. These aren't sales to consumers, they're sales to retailers.

All this shows is how variant covers and relaunches artificially inflate first issue sales. 66k is what LCS thought would sell. 279k is what LCS had to order to get the variants their customers wanted for the first issue, meaning there'll be a shitton of issue 1s littering bargain bins everywhere.

Welcome to #1s Anon, they are always inflated. Now if it continues to drop, then you can say they are on suicide watch.

>>77843536
>Marvel puts their most popular writer on the book
>RDJ has made Iron Man the face of Marvel
>IIM is promoted as the face of ANAD, even more so than Waid's teenvengers

>Selling like shit is totally acceptable for Marvel

>>77843499
A drop from 1 to 2 means nothing

I'm curious what the sales will be by issue 6, assuming it hasn't been relaunched again by then of course

Why is anyone surprised by this? He's fucking Iron Man. He doesn't sell. By issue 6 his install base will be 22k. Calling it now.

>>77843499
>Meanwhile, Batman and JL are at issue 45, and sitting at comfy 109k-77k.

>>77843653
What's the highest numbered still on-going Marvel series?

>>77843676
Everything is relaunched, I think.

Iron Man never has been a big seller and Bendis himself hasn't been a big seller himself for a while now.

>>77843676
Marvel just relaunched all their books, anon.

>>77843676
2

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>>77843499
I'm pretty sure someone made this thread weeks ago and everyone already called OP out on his retardedness.

>>77843698
3, actually. The third issue of ASM came out since it double ships.

>>77843676
We won't know for like 2-3 more months once some of the bigger books stop having 10+ variants and settle.

>>77843499
So /co/ how low will sales for #3 and #4 be?

>>77843704
People new to comics not understanding how Diamond sales figures work is nothing new to the fandom. "OMG look at how much the sales dropped from issue 1 to 2! 'publisher/book/writer' BTFO" threads will never stop because there's always new people getting into the hobby without bothering to research things before making claims.

>>77843499
>#2 sold dramatically fewer copies than #1
hasn't this been the industry standard forever? especially once people heard about what happened to the prices of so many #1's and then started hopping on the collector train hoping that every new title would be the new "Amazing Spider-man" in a few years?

>>77843499
are we being invaded by /v/ now?

>>77843782
It has been the cast for the past 20 years, yes. But for people that just started reading comics this year, or don't actually read comics and just hang out on /co/ while spouting what they heard on BC as fact, this is new and exciting news that is somehow supposed to be relevant or indicative of anything beyond how incentive variants are fucked but effective.

>>77843822
Why not? Everyone else is gangbanging us, /v/ can join the fun.

Was this not expected? I'd be surprised if sales will remain the same for 6 issues.

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>>77843822
>now

Maybe people didn't want to be spoiled on Secret Wars.

>>77843926
Yes retailers are pissed by delays of SW since some of their ANAD stuff isn't selling.

You now remember Bendis is meant to do a companion Iron Man book.

>>77843836
how many people we have to stand now here

/pol/
/tv/
tumblr
reddit

now /v/ as well? at least we got rid of /mlp/

>>77843987
Yay, double the decompression!

Except for inflated #1s, retailers are probably never going to order Iron Man the way they order real best sellers like Spider-Man, Star Wars, Batman. Because it's Iron Man, and he has never, ever, ever been a top-tier comic character.

Marvel put Bendis on the book because they want Iron Man to be as popular in comics as he is in the movies. But it's never going to happen because Robert Downey Jr. is more appealing than Iron Man. There are a lot of things comics can do that movies can't, but one thing a movie or TV show can do is use an actor's talent/charisma to breathe life into a character.

>>77844004
I wonder how many of them would stick around if this was a comics only board.

>>77844138
Comics only? Without movies? /pol/ and tumblr would still be around.

>>77844148
Except the user base would shrink to such a level that the board would slow down too much for them to get fast responces to their bait. They come here for attention, not for discussion, so there'd be no reason for them to come here if there weren't enough users to give them the attention they crave. What's the point in making a Squirrel Girl thread if it doesn't reach 500 posts within an hour?

>>77843676
Silver Surfer I think

>>77844148
What do we have to do to get rid of /pol/? I feel it's all Marvel's fault they came here in the first place.

>>77844408
Which ironically is ending.

>>77844431
Not ironic.

So where do people think the reader base will be at by issue 7? 21k? 25k?

>>77844794
We don't even know where the reader base is now. I imagine it'll settle at around 50k. Higher thank Iron Man usually sells thanks to Bendis, but not as high as their A-lists.

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>yfw a legal monopoly dominates your hobby

>>77844941
>people take Diamond to court for being a monopoly
>Court agrees that it's a monopoly on comic distribution, but since it's only comics and not all printed books, it's ok
>Court literally rules that it's a monopoly but won't do anything about it because "lol comics"

>>77843691
I think this is the first time in a while that Bendis' name has been attached to something that wasn't guaranteed sales, like Guardians or The Avengers or Uncanny X-Men.

>>77845029
Guardians wasn't guaranteed sales until after the movie. Bendis was put on the book before the first trailer even came out.

At the time of its launch, the Guardians were still a D-list team that the average comic buyer knew nothing about. They knew they were getting a movie, but that's it. It was less guaranteed sales than Dr. Strange or Ant-man.

The initial sales of GotG were absolutely on the back of Bendis (and the Marvel marketing machine).

>>77844991
Is that a real event that really happened?

>>77845086
It is, apparently, though the only source is a link to an archived CBR page that doesn't seem to go into detail, but it's listed in the Wikipedia article, for whatever that's worth.

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>>77844941

>>77845085
Don't forget Steve McNiven.

>>77843499
>no variants
>not a number one

It's not cool to buy comics past number 1 for normies

>>77843758
Or maybe there are people that know these threads trigger you this much and will keep making them as long as it keeps happening

>>77844417
Marvel is the reason both /pol/ and tumblr are here.

>>77845215
Who's the artist on this one?

>>77846904
Marjorie Liu I think.

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>>77843499
People like Iron Man only when he's played by RDJ. Nobody gives a fuck about his comic or cartoon incarnations.

>>77846813
Or maybe you're just upset right now

>>77846938
Oh shit, is Putin about to get raped?

>>77846938
Don't worry, Bendis is trying his darnedest to make him RDJ

>>77845246
Yeah, McNiven is actually a really big draw when it comes to sales. I imagine Uncanny Inhumans' high sales are partly thanks to him.

>>77847008
Until they can find a way to distill RDJ's essence into liquid and literally paint the comic with him, it's not going to work.
>>77847017
Exactly what make McNiven a big name? Because for some damn reason when I read his name I draw a blank.

>>77846813
>I-I was only p-pretending to be retarded!
Uh-huh.

>>77847043
>Exactly what make McNiven a big name?
Civil War and Old Man Logan I would imagine.

>>77844289
Just like before 2012 when the board used to be considered one of the best. People actually took time to read posts since threads moved slower and post limit was 250, lurking was easier for newfags. Shitposting and shilling was lower since companies didn't give a fuck about /co/. Scanbro unintentionally ruined the board when ASM 698-700 was leaked.

>>77847081
Oh fuck, of course. How the hell did I forget McNiven?
For some reason I was thinking writer, not artist, dunno why.

Can we get a sauce on the sales numbers? Did ComiChrom ever come back from the dead?

>>77847114
>Scanbro unintentionally ruined the board when ASM 698-700 was leaked
Don't put the blame on him. What damage he caused with that is outdone by the damage of Avengers making everyone flock here to talk about movies.

>>77847162
You could have at least checked first. It would have taken less time to type "comichron.com" into your browser than to type out the question asking if it was back up.

>http://blog.comichron.com/2015/11/marvel-relaunch-impact-fourteen-comics.html

>>77843499
>Brian Michael Bendis in charge of the company forced flagship character

>>77843499
It's okay so far, with the next issue having Ninjas and Samurai Iron Man armour.

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>be DC master race
>wake up
>rifle through my backlog of Justice League comics
>Bendis's name isn't on them
>look online
>solicits for Green Lantern are out
>Dan Slott isn't writing them
>go to my $200K a year job
>come home
>crack open a beer and read the latest issue of Batman
>it wasn't edited by Quesada
>go to bed
>realize your favorite comics aren't dictated by money-grubbing blobs of anthromorphic cancer
>dream like a king

>>77847247
I meant on the #2 sales.

>>77847275
It came out the same month as #1.

Man I want to really Like Iron Man, is there any good stories with him?

Iron Man/Captain Marvel team-up book when?

They really like to push these two failed characters for some reason.

>>77847300
It did?
I didn't realize it double-shipped.

Shit, my bad, then.

>>77847312
>They really like to push these two failed characters for some reason.

Iron Man is their most popular character outside of Spider-Man, primarily because of the popularity of the MCU films and RDJ's portrayal of Tony Stark.

Captain Marvel is their only non-Spider Family, non-mutant heroine. Or, at least, the only one they feel has franchise potential.

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>>77847269
>crack open a beer and read the latest issue of Batman
>It's by Scott Snyder

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>>77847269
Not to be an asshole, but you kinda sound like a dick.

>Trying to make Iron Man COMICS happen

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>>77847387
>50 more issues

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>>77847377
>Shulk movie never ever
>Only female-led movie we're going to get is fucking Captain Marvel

>>77847716
A-at least we're getting Ant-man and Wasp, right?

>>77847269
>JL
>Green Lantern
>Batman
Get better taste in current DC. Though you are right that even those are better than whatever shit Marvel puts out lately.

>>77847215
>outdone by the damage of Avengers making everyone flock here to talk about movies.

Even then it was minuscule. Some faggots took the pages from the ASM sticky and posted them all over social media. Comic sites were directly blaming 4chan and Marvel was ass ravaged. The board didn't have as much of a presence among other sites except a few shoutouts from nsfw artists. The sticky somehow managed to reach 2000+ posts which was rare for /co/. Once reddit and tumblr discovered this place board culture completely changed. Win-o threads were in danger for a while since shills reported links more often. The newfags from those places don't understand the concept of lurk moar and now we have constant shitposts whenever someone says something like nigger or faggot because they don't understand the site. Sexism used to be a joke but now it's serious business for these same faggots. It made catching bait so much easier for people.

I'm not blaming this on Scanbro the person, since there was no way he could have known how big dropping the issue would get, since normally it's just something we'd consider was done for shits and giggles.

>>77844138
None, we should split Comics from Cartoons, then maybe we could get actual comic discussion.

To be fair it shipped the same month which always seem to sell less, 3 is probably a better comparison.

People don't care about Iron Man comic books, no matter how good RDJ is as him in the movies.

>>77848248
We were able to get comic discussion just fine despite being split with cartoons from 07 to 12.

>>77848270
>3 is probably a better comparison
No it isn't. Pre-orders are done 3 months ahead of time. LCSs won' be able to accurately order based on sales rather than guess work until issue ~5.

>>77843599
>IIM is promoted as the face of ANAD
Isn't that a horrible idea since RDJ isn't going to be as prominent after Civil War?

>>77847740
Fake Wasp.
Unless there's Pym/Janet movie in works I'm not aware of.

>>77847781
>not being hyped for Parallax arriving to Hal's book
What is wrong with you?

>>77846854
So what you're saying is that Marvel ruined the board? Makes sense.

>>77843499
First issue sold a shit ton. What did you expect? It doesn't mean the story is shit, it only means that this run doesn't seem as easy to follow, as others.

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>>77843499
How's that "iron-man is our flagship title and is WAY more popular than spider-man" thing going Marvel?

>>77843499
You have a point OP.
Please, give us an example of something that either outsold the 250k copies, on their first issue, or outsold the first issue on the second.

>>77843499
He doesn't care

http://brianmichaelbendis.tumblr.com/post/134091294007/what-does-it-feel-like-to-completely-tear

>>77847247
>John Jackson Miller isn't writing Star Wars comics anymore
BUT WHY

>>77847387
>>77847536
Is this the new DC BENDIS! maymay?

>>77843536
>>77843574
They want Iron Man to succeed so bad, they give him more that one title, Bendis is writing, they are bringing Mary Jane and Doctor Doom to make more noise and controversy, Doctor Strange guest starred, so much variants for a shitty no.1 that won't be worth anything in a few years.

The clearly want it to do good but the way Bendis is writing it feels like he's just hitting deadlines more than anything, I think Iron Man will start to slowly decline until the point when Marvel relaunches everything and then the comic is going to do ridiculously well with the new #1 and variants.

At least until people wisen up this strategy will work for Marvel.

>>77843676
New Marvel comics rarely go over the 30's nowadays, they just relaunched sometime before Secret Wars (would have after it if it wasn't for the delay).

>>77846996
More like he will do the raping.

>>77850221
>rarely go over the 30's nowadays
Make that 10.

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>>77843499

aren't they trying to sell the Peter keking arc?

>>77847008
It shows because the way he is writing him is really different from the way he wrote him in his Avengers run, even his GotG comic.

But ugh he comes off as less RDJ and more like teen Peter with facial hair.

>>77847043
Pretty sure if there's an artist that can constantly ape RDJ's likeness and the other MCU actors into their art without making it look ugly then they would have captured a lot of people as readers based on that.

I mean one of the reason Bendis gets popular and decent artists (because he's allowed to chose his own artists unlike other writers) is because he knows that if his writing fails the artists can carry the comic.

>>77847269
DC isn't perfect but their awful at least isn't as shitty as Marvel's awful.

>>77847269
>>rifle through my backlog of Justice League comics
>>Bendis's name isn't on them

If you go really, really, back though you will find one Batman comic with Bendis name on it.

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>>77847269
>be a normal person
>go buy my comics
>many are Marvel
>read them all
>enjoy them all, not caring one little shit about the internet or memehaters
>go to bed thinking about the great things that can happen soon in my Marvel comics
>dream like a king

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>>77850455
>normal person
>buy comics
>Marvel

>>77850421
In Batman anthology book. You have to search for it to find it.
And Citizen Wayne sucked dick.

for people saying this drop isn't a big deal: marvel wants this book to outsell spiderman, which sells 100k copies a month give or take (not including relaunch spikes)

so yeah the second issue going to 66k is a big fucking deal. i doubt it will improve.

>>77850491
>Bendis' story is named after one of my first Batman books ever
This guy really deserves a beating.

>>77847308
There's Matt Fraction's run, and there's also...

There's Matt Fraction's run. also Extremis but that's just a one off, not really a series.

>>77850530
>marvel wants this book to outsell spiderman
You heard that, Sony? Better start praying!

>>77848289
People don't care about comics in general, no matter how many go to see the films.

>>77846929

You mean Sana Takeda, Liu is a writer.

>>77843499
Do we really need more Bendis threads?
>>77827254
>>77849807

>>77850981
That Kitty Pryde thread is awful, I dunno if it's brilliant baiting or the same autist forcing her on the board.

>>77843529
suicide watch, like in prison dramas? that kind of suicide watch?

>>77849087
yes

>>77849087
Yes, they should've pushed Iron Man with Marvel NOW instead of like three years later

>>77851012
It's actually surprising there's no Bendis pasta in that thread yet.

>>77843822
as long as you don't report and mods don't ban it will keep happening

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>>77850981
>complains about Bendis threads
>links to the other Bendis threads instead of letting them die

>>77847269
>it wasn't edited by Quesada

When will the idiots stop thinking Quesada is still an editor? He hasn't been one for years.

>>77847377
they should push monica rambeau instead

>>77851541
>monica rambeau
Or how I learned to love them black.

>>77847866
>The newfags from those places don't understand the concept of lurk moar and now we have constant shitposts whenever someone says something like nigger or faggot because they don't understand the site.

Bullshit, the board was already changing by 2008 or 2009. The /co/ you're thinking of was still in 2007.

>Once reddit and tumblr discovered this place board culture completely changed.

Also bullshit because most of them would be going here already. Do you even remember the Comics Alliance vs New 52 thing? Or the Batgirl cosplayer? Those were 2011. Also Scans Daily is not that far off from tumblr and some of its members have been going here since at least the late 00's. In fact..

>Some faggots took the pages from the ASM sticky and posted them all over social media.

There was one guy who did that, who took all the pages from ASM #700 that Scanbro posted and then posted it on Flickr or Facebook or something. He was also a Scans Daily regular for years till he got banned.

>>77851478
And you bringing them more attention is also adding fuel to the fire.

And me calling you on it is too so we are all scum.

>>77852098
And 2008 was when the movies started taking off. Iron Man 1 and Dark Knight, BOX OF SCRAPS and WHY SO SERIOUS getting spammed everywhere.

>>77852601
In this we agree

>>77843603
>tfw Marvel starts relaunching Iron Man after issue 4.

>>77850185
>Is this the new DC BENDIS! maymay?
No, it's the "Snyder a shit" maymay.
Snyder's problems as a writer are very different from Bendis' problems.

>>77843522

This.

I don't remember Iron Man ever selling THAT well.

>>77847308
Pretty much the entirety of the 1980's. Anything with 'Michelenie' and 'Layton' written on it somewhere will be good.

>>77850555
Don't listen to this man. There should be laws against Fraction writing Iron Man.