The holy trinity of cartoons has taken over.
It got infested with le tumblr people. We're just going to have to accept it though. No more cool action cartoons. Just things people watch for "mah feels", "mah comfy" and "mah fun".
This is the future you chose /co/.
>Tumblr Vs. the Forces of Evil
>Over the Tumblr Wall
Then what similarly themed lore cartoon should take it's place in the trinity then?
Steven Universe, Gravity Falls and what?
We are in one of the best ages for animation. I'm really proud of it, this kind of thing would never be possible some years ago.
More and more people are becoming involved in it. We have more aspiring artists, writers and voice actors. We have more and more cartoons being released in all sorts of formats all around the world. People who love cartoons are making cartoons now.
Sure this means more shit, but the amazing thing about this world is, just like with video games and books and movies, is that you can ignore the shit and just watch what you love. If you honestly can't find new shows to love with all this variety then you don't like cartoons. Plain and simple.
Don't you dare compare Courage and Rocko to Ren and Stimpy you fucking bitch.
While I love most of the shows mentioned in the top panel, Gravity falls has a lot of wasted potential
The Star vs. finale was crazy, do you think they're going more lorefag now though?
I was not expecting any of that dark shit to go down. Completely out of no where.
I don't have a problem with the animation, but why do all these shows artstyles just look so rounded and soft? Something about it is just so off putting to how cartoons just started looking the same around this time.
It's just a style. Cartoons fade in and out of it. Just like how cartoons in the 80s and early 90s had a more stylish, anime-esque quality, and cartoons in the late 90s and 00s had a very dirty and slobby look. It'll pass in time to something else.
Perhaps this is more up your alley.
Why the fuck does this website think that tumblr is this all-powerful force of youth? It's just a vocal internet subculture of teenagers, not a fucking guild of worlocks in charge of America.
By the time these kids actually get to adulthood, they'll mellow out.
You gave tumblr too much power. You look like a defeated Tumblr bitch.
Jesus Christ, this is getting so old. You can't even start a thread anymore without it diverging into an obsessive circlejerk about a goddamn blogging website. It's getting more annoying than the discourse on the actual fucking website. You can hardly discuss a cartoon without someone on /co/ pointing at a black character, shitting their pants, and screaming about an invisible boogeyman.
Seems that will be One Punch Man.
Only worth watching for Raven, Jinx & Cyborg in my opinion.
OPM isn't a western cartoon
>Wanting OPM to have a cancerous fanbase
Please no, I was already worried enough when they announced the anime
Blah blah, grave, blah blah, future you chose.
I am stating that it will get a cancerous fanbase, not that I want it.
With the lack of new cartoons, I feel that it will attract a new fanbase left from other shows that were cancelled, are on hiatus or ended. It will be the new normie-friendly show.
Saddly we just don't have other new shows that could gatter a massive fanbase in the near future.
Where is the OPM anime at the moment?
I don't really watch anime adaptations if Manga's I'm reading.
I know it seems that everyone has a hard on for Genos despite probably being the worst part of OPM.
The last twenty years had such improviment on the writting and variety of cartoons, that I can't see where this complains comes from.
We are much better on animation and writting than the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's besides some gems, like old Looney Tunes.
The only issue is the lack of 12 principles.
>OP knew he was shitposting so he started this thread on his phone
>the same old trolling bait and "discussion".
Nah, /co/ is on a constant war between /pol/ and Tumblr, we are a warzone. That is the reason for why we have these threads every day.
I really don't see much of Tumblr SJW on /co/. Like...which threads right now would you say that are Tumblr?
THE golden age was the 40s to the 50s, original Looney Toons, early Disney shorts, Tom and Jerry, Woody Woodpecker, Droopy.
The 90s. Animaniacs, Gargoyles (better at muh lore than anything nowadays), BTAS, Samurai Jack, Dexters Lab, PPG, Futurama, etc. all the way to the early 00s with JLU, Duck Dodgers, Megas XLR.
Right now we have some jewels but we're mostly in a mediocre era. You can point a couple of jewels lost on that sea of bland (GF, the early seasons of the show that must not be named, Symbionic Titan, Motorcity, Tron, Batman Brave and the Bold, Mistery Inc, maybe SU if it delivers on what it's setting up), but so can the eighties(Thundercats, He-man, GI Joe, Silverhawks, Bionic Six) and even the 50s/60s/70s, generally considered the dark ages had a few good ones (og Scooby Doo, Atom Ant, Flintstones, Peanuts TV specials)
If you hate the current state of animation so much why don't you get into the industry yourself and make it better.
Before all the autists start crying this isn't about deflecting criticism. It's a legitimate question.
50s and 60s animation can be pretty cool, though. Since it was handdrawn, it was a lot more fluid.
Not /co/ related, but the first Astro Boy anime still looks aesthetically pleasing to me.
If I get far enough in the industry to make my own show, who knows? I don't really care about trying to vilify /co/'s vendetta or tumblr's obsession with inclusion. I just want to create things.
Rebecca Sugar got BTFO and had to use a more modern, kid friendly art style too. She didn't have the current art style in mind. Have you seen the pilot?
My son, if you try to create things just to spite people you don't like, you're going to create a shallow product. I mean, I suppose that this rule doesn't truly apply to sattire, but that isn't really a booming genre in animated series.
I find it hard to believe she pulled a complete 180 without any external pressure. Gonna need some proof f a m.
I'm 100% sure CN didn't like the initial art style and opted for her to follow in Adventure Time's simply artstyle.
If anything, blame Pendleton Ward for starting the craze.
They said it needed to be more simple so that they could hire multiple artists to work on episodes. They have a shit ton of artists. They each have probably 5-7 episodes under their belts.
I'm still salty the designs were changed so much.
I wish they chose a Pearl without a giant nose
For the uninformed
>What is a "Tumblr" cartoon?
-amateurish art direction, usually looking like flat notebook doodles and tries to hard to pass off the lack of skill as "charming" (AT, RS, Sanjay and Craig, Breadwinners, Gravity Falls, OtGW, Long Live the Royals, Bee and Puppycat, Bravest Warriors, Star and the Forces of Evil, Clarence)
-attempts at idiosyncratic and "natural" dialogue that ends up sounding robotic. Usually has a lot of modern or made-up slang. "Man, this day was total butt. We needs to go get out munchichies on, ya' know what I'm saying?" (AT, RS, GF, Steven Universe, SaC, BW, CH, OtGW, Star)
-a romance plot that's taken seriously and is also the plot of a lot of episodes. The male is a beta wimp and the girl is a "laid-back" character (AT, RS, SU, GF, SaC, BWarriors, BaP).
-a lot music, usually either a freestyle serenade or pixeltune shit (AT, RS, GF, Clarence, SU, SaC, BW, CH, BWarriors, Manly, Star)
-voice actors that sound like they picked random people from the street (all of them)
-fake 80s montages (RS, SaC, BW, Star, SU)
-limited amount of expressions, most of them being ":-T" (all of them)
>Implying Rebecca Sugar isn't one of the best children cartoon writers of this decade
She made Adventure Time good. Their lore department is shitting themselves without her.
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You started off strong then just nitpicked.
But a "tumblr" cartoon will always just be something with a trace of progression or female lead or something that people dislike and brand to make other people stay away. I bet Hey Arnold nowadays would've been a tumblr cartoon since every episode had some sappy message of equality and there were a lot of feels moments. Shit, they even had an entire episode teaching about Judaism.
Rebecca Sugar didn't really introduce lore
In fact, SU is severely lacking in lore
all we have so far is that the gems were here a long time ago and other gems exist elsewhere
>SU is severely lacking in lore
come on f a m, you can't really believe that. I don't want to put effort into a bait post
She'd be horrifying in real life
>What happened to animation?
Are you talking about the West...?
The people who watched it in their youth are now making it.
Blame He-Man and She-Ra, Muppet babies and Denver the last Dinosaur. Blame the old network executives for forbidding ongoing plots and mandating toy tie-ins.
You can't ignore all the great past action cartoons, all the great action cartoons that got cancelled in recent years, or all the great action cartoon projects we might not get to see.
>western animation got fucked over by progressive art being prioritized over the basic art fundamentals and realistic drawing, thus leading to a industry where there people are willing to animate but don't know anything about drawing.
I can see how you'd compare Steven Universe and Star Vs the forces of evil to tumblr, but Gravity Falls? There's nothing in Gravity Falls that even suggests Alex Hirsch is an SJW. Idk about over the garden wall because I've never seen it.
It's the few autistic SU fans that browse this board going in full sperg mode. Notice that, out of all the accused cartoon, only SU is being defended with piss-poor arguments and memes.
SU is the new MLP, no matter how much autismos shitpost about the contrary.
>legit tumblirinas here
>people here defend "buh gay marriage"
>sjw always here
>but is a boogeeman!!1
I know tumblr is justa web that allow opinions and art , but so far the hated "tumblr sjw crowd" is fucking here and there's no denied of that.
Considering that they have a 10 minute time slot, I think SU is doing a great job of introducing lore without shoving it in your face.
It's still foremost a fun cartoon, the subtle lore is just the cherry on top. I like how they don't make EVERY episode center around an overarching plot and that they can still have fun episodes.
Gotta remember Anon: entertainment is about "plot". Narrative, if you want to be specific. It's what keeps us interested and entertained.
When I was a child, I accepted things like "never ending struggles" of GI Joe and Cobra or He-Man and Skeletor. I accepted that there would be lessons learned from each episode, that would be forgotten by the next show, and gadgets or weapons or tools would all be discarded and forgotten.
But now, I'm an adult... I kinda want there to be consequences for the actions of characters. I want the doodad from episode 1 that appeared forgotten and discarded to show up in the season finale. I want people to admit they've behaved badly, and actually try to behave better in future episodes. I want less clunky exposition, more discovery.
>a 22-minute adultswim cartoon where they're fully able to use adult themes and humour is even comparable
Steven Universe would have been a great fucking adultswim show though. Why don't we have any mature fantasy adventure cartoons anymore? I want them to FULLY explore gem corruption and death. It even looked like a Adult Swim show when it aired.
definitely this. once you to 2006...you really saw a major shift. 2010's is sort of like a slow gradual return....I'm hoping by 2020 we can maybe get more action cartoons and the tumblr era dies down.
The animation isn't so disgusting that it's unwatchable. It has pretty much grown on me anyways, it makes the show more comical and cute. I'm sure Rebecca is disappointed with the art direction though too.
shows today are all made by creators that grew up with anime, no one remembers anime for their animation, which wasn't special anyway, but the adentures, the stories, the magical girls etc.
There is just no need for good animation these days, why waste money on something no one would care about
From the last 5 years?
You're serious? Not just going to gainsay anything I suggest with the phrase "It's Shit" and then not posting any points relevant to it's quality or production? Not just gonna call it Tumblr and mic drop? You promise?
Motor City was really good.
Tome Unknown/Over Garden Wall
Johnny Test and Post Season 4 Spongebob
I get that there aren't many horror cartoons, but that's because it's harder and harder to do "horror" for kids
>tfw you're forced to watch weeaboo TRASH because there are barely mature, fantasy western cartoons
F U C K A N I M E
The only thing that satiates my hunger are the great DC animated movies they release. Gods and Monsters was fucking amazing.
At least keys are done in the US for SMIP episodes.
When Japan gets it's head out of it's ass and replaces Korea permanently.
It's why 80s & 90s animation is much better then animation made today.
>which wasn't special anyway.
The 80s & 90s called.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. The current style matches the style of the backgrounds MUCH better. And even if she's not happy with that, I'm sure she recognizes that the simpler lines and forms make the movement look cleaner as well as easier for the Koreans to in-between.
>horror cartoon in any way
>Over the Garden Wall
>not meandering shit
And it's fucking easy, if you're not a retard who thinks gore = scary, and can work with suspense and characters designs well.
I'm gonna point out that before tumblr took over, forced cartoon diversity was done with awkward shoehorns, and terrible steriotypes. How many black men in Cartoons played basketball? NOT ENOUGH OF THEM!
Rebecca didn't originally want SU to look like it does now. She had to simplify it so that multiple artists could work on the show at once. She's probably okay with it now, but it wasn't close to her original idea.
it's funny because in the 2000s, creators who no grew up with anime stuff try hard to be cool with "japanised" artstyle on western cartoon
and now we have just some rounds, cute, fat, colored style with annoying shipping, references to video games and bashing about 80s things "Lulz Mullet haircut is so uncool"
"I wanted to make the characters more specific, simpler, and more flexible, so different artists could draw them different ways and they would still look like themselves!"
I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe she completely changed her art style because she wanted to. She obviously needed to because it was too complicated for other artists to draw.
>What happened to animation?
Backgrounds are more important that characters design. Compare SU and Star has simple designs but amazing backgrounds,
>If I rewrite the same posts time and time again that'll teach them!
Stop being triggered and go away, you useless NEET.
>I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe she completely changed her art style because she wanted to. She obviously needed to because it was too complicated for other artists to draw.
How was it difficult?
But does SU have a memorable them song?
So, you admit you watched CP. Very good.
Because it will be that really weird and corny cartoon that shoved sociopolitical messages down children's throat without having any real or lasting effect.
Plus it has gems that fuse togheter.
Let Japanese animators do all animation instead.
Did it flop? All I ever heard of it were high critic reviews
though, that usually does indicate something flopping somehow.
The impact of it, from what I can tell, is more that they proved a miniseries format can work for a cartoon.
CN's been doing a few different similar things since then. OTGW was completely independent and contained, later they had SU with the Week of Sardonyx which was a 5 part mini-arc for Pearl, and most recently we finished Stakes, which was also a mini-arc.
If I recall, they are also working on some other new miniseries for release sometime as well.
Kill yourself you fucking SJW cunt, get off my board, we tried so hard to rid ourselves of your cancerous following and yet you keep coming back. Die you fucking tumblr fag.
of course mate , that look like real USA
WBB don't pull that lesbian or crossdressing shit.
The only agenda cartoon is SU.
>buh muh clarence
Lesbians are not the important point there
lesbians/gays are just backgrounds and no plot driven like SU.
>muh rocks are not lesbians
Literally tumblr defense.
It's good but the water doesn't look anything like water.
Also I'm pretty sure that isn't a tv shot but just artwork.
It's a show that'll be cancelled and fade into oblivion, who cares.
Here's the thing; you CAN have amazing backgrounds, but why the fuck not put the same amount of effort into your character designs either?
For fuck sakes, I've seen better background work from a foreign film done in the 1970's.
>go to art exhibit at university
>'100 artists after Picasso'
>every artist is clearly unskill and only trying to ape on older better artists
>get free pizza and watch free screening of Fury Road
Worth it all in all
Unfortunately, im afraid the entire network has been plagued by tumblr.
>SU has LGBT characters; it must be left wing shit being shoved down kids throats like CP!
Yep, correct, good job.
>For fuck sakes, I've seen better background work from a foreign film done in the 1970's.
We don't bring eastern animation here because it'd be like comparing a child's drawning on a fridge to the fucking Mona Lisa.
Basically all the people who're 20 somethings now who are new, up and coming talent grew up watching dubbed anime and 90s cartoons. Meaning a lot of their shows are derivative of those things. So there's a focus on having characters that are cute, have loose noodley proportions, Flashy animation and fights with an unfortunate lack of focus on weight, and lore that slowly builds over the course of a series. It's just that generation. Similarly in 10 or so years kids who grew up with 2000s cartoons will be making cartoons.
Lesbians aren't the main plot point in SU. The MC has a girlfriend for Christ's sake.
This shit again; how is it different from the millions of cartoons who have done this?
Putting gay people because you want them in the story != putting them in in the hopes kids will like them and be more "acceptable" or some shit.
This is what makes the difference between story and propaganda.
>muh bugs bunny as an example
playing for laughts
In SU? people cheer him and applaud him for crossdress. How the fuck is that for laughts?
Was next ? spongebob example?
>Lesbians aren't the main plot point in SU
>Fusion plots , episodes for lesbo fantasy,
fuck off , not even you believe that,
>Not reading what I am aswering, before taking conclusions.
Your average western TV show still has more of a budget than your average anime show.
The only difference is that the Japanese are willing to draw difficult objects at the expense of a limited budget.
You're also more than welcome to post good western animation as well. I'm just posting what I find exemplary.
Steven has a girlfriend and he was born out of heterosexual sex and Lars and Sadie made out and always have relationship drama, wow the show is a straight propaganda too now.
You got problems.
HI /co/! What cartoons do you like? I like SU and Korra and i also think Undertale is super cool!
Poni is a threat to tumblr. From the very beginning, /co/ had its hands on MLP:FiM as the first ones to notice the accursed new MyLittlePony series.
The fanbase did not rise from tumblr, not from multiple sites. No, it took it's winds from 4chan and setup fansites, by Anons, for Anons. The fan culture around it did not grow naturally from little fan circles. At it's very core, MLP fandom was 4chan thread.
To this day, tumblrinas fear poni and will desperately turn you against it.
The lesbians in SU are used as a mean to change society. The lesbos and gays and trannies in Sailor Moon are not, which is why Takeuchi wasn't triggered and threw a shitfit when overseas they completely erased such concepts.
>one fusion male/female
>that means lesbians are non existand in the show
i don't know mate
that is not for laughts like Bugs bunny , Spongebob and other crossressers like Gumball for example.
I say that like those lessons didn't make for the silliest and shittest cartoon in existence.
Like I said, SU will be remembered as Captain Planet is today.
I still don't get why you people are blatantly lying to win internet arguments.
What is the anime of this taiwanese children cartoon?
>don't have a tumblr
>hate sjw hit passion
>watched S1 because was fun , dropped S2 because all the agenda shit.
>i'm not /pol/ and i give a fuck about screengrabs
nice try whale. Was next? i'm a bigorot or something like that?
Noiseman Sound Insect by Koji Morimoto.
It's not like SU was a previously made series that they MADE gayer. The characters in Steven Universe were gay from conception. And legitimately the only gay characters are the two little gems and the other is just implied with Pearl. I'm not gonna shit myself over 3 gay characters, 2 of which don't even show up for most of the series.
For shoehorn SJW shit onto KIDS cartoons? of course.
>no gay marriage where i live
>gay don't scream , "muh rights" "if you on't enjoy watching me kissing my couple then you are racist" shit.
It seems that when people say "Cartoons suck now compared to the 90s" or "Cartoons are worse than ever", they're really thinking about 2004-2010 - or, if you wanna be generous, 2008-2010 - and not the present day.
Sure, there were some gems (Avatar most of all), but much of it was cheap Flash and cold CGI, as well as live-action kidcoms threatening to devour the animation industry whole. Shows such as Back at the barnyard, Tak and the Power of Juju, Out of Jimmy's Head, etc. really encapsulate what this era was all about.
Things have definitely picked up in the New '10s, but for those few years things seemed like they would never look up, at least to me (and, if old forum posts are any indication, many other people).
Gay people were invented by SJWs in 2003 as a means to take over the world.
By overweight, underpaid seamstresses
In a small broken down factory
DETROIT. DETROIT. DETROIT.
FUCKING TUMBLR SHIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>make out, date, and have entire sideplots about their teenage love.
>make sex jokes,
that kids don't get mate
SU literally screams lesbian shit. In a fucking KIDS show , do you think is ok to showhorn SJW shit on cartoons for kids?
Was next? a trans guy?
That screams aceptance propagando to me.
The boy with a sword in adventure time is a means to change society.
The talking Bird and Racoon in regular show are a means to change society
The Uncle who is also a Grandfather in Uncle Grandpa is a means to change society.
I'm asking for elaboration because anyone can just say that. But if you have an opinion for yourself and aren't just regurgitating something you heard someone else say you can definitely define in what ways Steven Universe is doing the things you claim.
You sound like you have no idea what you are on about
I really hope you aren't serious
>Literally no drama cartoons ever
>The best you can hope for is a some rare independent movie
Eat a dick
>when you get triggered so hard you start to shitpost
I like that you people are so unusued to being out of a hughbox that, when you are, you go completely ballistic.
It's almost like it's "why" and "how" you put them in that makes the difference.
You still don't get it! I'm using gays as a business to get elected! So I can end gays as a business...In my new America, people will die and kill...for what they believe! Not for money -- Not for oil -- Not for what they're told is right! Fuck this SJW Bullshit!
No, /pol/ is just as bad as tumblr.
No wait. /v/ is just as bad as tumblr.
Ignore that. The point is that if you think tumblr is wrong, you're just as bad as them and literally just tumblr too.
I like how the only way you can get replies to your shitty bait threads is to literally lower cartoons like Star vs the Forces of Evil and Gravity Falls to the low budget, low quality productions that Cartoon Network routinely shits out.
It's part of a greater problem here that all CN fans are cancerous twats, on a similar vein to Sony fans on /v/, in that they try to overwhelm the board with their products (either by genuine young adult fuckhead fans who don't know better, or outright viral marketing) that results in a backlash from oversaturation.
If you want to shit all over Steven Universe, fine by me, but stop dragging actually decent productions down with it to stimulate your repetitive discussions.
Rebecca Sugar herself stated something of that effect in an interview.
The difference with the two midget lesbos is that their relationship is way more sexual than the others, even though we had flashbacks of miss Jumbo and her slave, who actually had a child togheter.
And there's no other dimension to them, they are "the lesbian ones" and all the episodes with them were about their relationships, at least the ones I saw.
There's nothing to them but being lesbians and is pushed far harder than any other relationship in the show.
Fuck off /sveg/. Go back to writing fanfics.
>literally lower cartoons like Star vs the Forces of Evil and Gravity Falls to the low budget, low quality productions that Cartoon Network routinely shits out.
Yes, because Star and GF are the golden cows of animation. How dare they be grouped with peasant level works!
That is false, Warners is as far away from Tumblr as you can get.
It's for it's own good.
Rascel The Raccoon.
That is fake, Avatar is garbage.
>when you get triggered so hard you start to shitpost
literally pic related is SU
why not more detailed animations like this gif in the U.S? Japan animations tend to have shit budget and produce more detailed art in some shows. I understand that some things are style, but the U.S as of late, has grown lazy when it comes to art.
It has better music, animation (even the "downgraded" studio), character development, and most importantly character and world design than anything CN has had since Samurai Jack.
>There's no dimension to them
I guess you could argue that. I mean Ruby is meant to be passionate and emotional while Sapphire is stoic and logical but since we've only seen their personality in short bursts they're not very fleshed out.
Hell the first time we see them is just them trying to find one another and the other time involves them being in a fight.
>oh noes the cocodrile make a surprise face
>god tier finale
top kek , also she got the wand again at the end of the episode because suddenly another unicorn appear.
Just accept the show is fap bait for /svfeg/ and move on.
he's suggesting that everyone is the same. everyone blames everyone else for their shortcomings so they don't have to pay consequences. it's been like that forever and it'll continue to happen. idiots are idiots so why don't we just do whatever the fuck we do.
>Moving the goal post
Hey Arnold wasn't a drama series, it was a comedy that had drama in it.
>And my examples are not pure horror
Then why the fuck did you mention them?
You're splitting hairs here. The point of both of our posts is there are genres animation hasn't even been seriously touched, and these assholes feel the need to bitch at the ones that are there.
True, at least we know we'll get episodes about how they met and how they lived back in Homeworld and their relationships with Rose and Pearl.
The show is limited by being strictly from Steven's POV.
>Once McFarlane, Vedder, and Sony gave their final approvals, the short was taken to Korea by Altieri and Pearson for animation at Sun Min Image Pictures and Jireh Animation. Over a four-week period, a team of more than one hundred artists worked to deliver the finished animation.
Why is it that almost every single good animation done is always either outsourced to Korea or done by Japanese?
Fuck off with the high horse "You just fap to characters" shit as if its some unique property here. It's such a bitch ass tumblr comeback.
You can't tell me with a straight face first of all that 99% of discussion in /sug/ wasn't waifu war shit on a level that would make even A:TLA threads of old cringe.
The thing is, I can understand why people are attracted to a cute blonde princess who kicks ass. I don't understand why people are attracted to fat, ugly, overly emotional "asexual" space rocks.
mfw /co/ has gone so far left, that it is now looping around to the right. Feels good man.
>Then why the fuck did you mention them?
Because it's closest I have.
It's like wanting a Rolex, but settling for a brass Chinese counterfeit because you can't afford actual Rolex.
Did you even watch Sailor Moon? Like the episodes where all the girls think that Haruka is a guy dating Michiru, but once they see the truth they get shocked and accept it? The Sailor Stars season with the trannies? There is even a movie about Haruka and Michiru being gay.
>All I've seen is a bunch of disproven nitpicking.
Then you either didn't look hard enough or are completely delusional.
In any case our conversation ends here.
It doesn't even work with the post you linked to, gj.
>implying i give a fuck about /sug/
i care about good cartoons anon
Not the ones with an agenda but the fun , great episode ones.
S1 SU was great on its own , now is some shitty lesbian boring show with lame episodes as a excuse for the "hiatus".
Star was literally "LOLRANDUM" shit with a mediocre canadian first villain. Repetitive episodes and bad "plot" episodes. For example the face ogre one was awful. Same about the "Star is sad" one.
First, it's not a movie it's a special episode.
Secondly you either didn't read the post or lack in reading comprehension, I didn't say they didn't exist in SM you retard.
eastern animation != toei
Wow that single example from show made by a studio notorious for their QUALITY sure proved us all wrong.
plus Haruka flirting with Usagi and Usagi having a crush on Rei.
>Not the ones with an agenda but the fun , great episode ones.
So literally SvTFOE then? Because it focuses on fun and adventure, and succeeds, while shows like AT and SU concentrate on lore and drama and "feels"" which leads to the product becoming stale quickly.
Also, the first villain and main one is Ludo, not the exchange student. The first few episodes were weak anyway but the series got stronger toward the end as they fleshed out the cast.