ITT: Writers expressing their hatred for characters

I may be a faggot who refuses to read comics outside of storytimes, but that seems really out of character for Spider-Man.

>>77797953
Bendis has issues with Spider-Man. When Jessica Jones admitted she had a crush on him, he called her 'Coma Girl'.

>>77798022
It's rude to say out loud, but that probably would be what everyone called her back in high school.

>>77798022
Peter tried to help her in Alias after the car crash.

>>77797953
Bendis' Spider-Man takes the whole "speaking his mind" to another level. His mouth speaks faster than his brain can process and then he tries to justify it.

It's a take on the character, I guess.

>>77798076
Need to fill those Bendis speech bubbles somehow.

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Always thought the very first Peanuts strip was sort of a mission statement by Schulz.

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WHEDON!!!

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>>77798193
To be fair, if I were a Marvel writer I'd probably shit on the Punisher too, but I would try and be more subtle about it

>>77798193
Thats homophobic

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Tom King is not a fan of Clayface.

>>77799841
That's more of a joke about that cliche plotline than Clayface himself

>>77798124
I remember seeing some interview where he said that strip is literally the only one he actually regrets drawing, because showing a kid seriously hating somebody is pretty fucked up.

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Here Scott Snyder shits all over the JL by acknowledging what a lot of fans think in regards to batman operating in gotham and leading the JL

>>77800719
He said he doesn't like Clayface much either, and if he could get rid of one character completely, it would be Clayface.

>>77800768
Some of these Bat-Mechas' designs are pretty cool. Damn, now I want a comic about Mobile Police Batlabor.

I think we all came to the conclusion that Bendis assassinated Wanda's character in order to make his precious Kitty Pryde look good.

>>77801015
how did House of M make Kitty look good?
was she even in it?

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>>77797726

bendis again

>>77801015
the hell has Kitty to do with Wanda at all?

>>77801248
Everyone knows she is Bendis' waifu.

>>77798193
Cue Molly punching him in half.

>>77801334
and?

>>77797726
In Disassembled Bendis:
>Killed Jack of Hearts
>Killed Ant-Man
>Killed Vision
>Killed Hawkeye
>Made the Scarlet Witch toxic
It must really make Bendis angry that 4 out of 5 of those characters are now important in the MCU

>>77801238
>MY WAIFU ISN'T PURE REEEEEEEEEEEEE
It's a joke. Don't take it so seriously.

>>77801415
Did anyone ever actually care about Jack of Hearts though?

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>>77797726
bendis hates spider-man? all this time I thought it was just the falcon.

>>77801015
No, he just doesn't care for Wanda or Vision. He enjoyed Byrne's run that started the destruction of both characters and takes it as the word of god.

>>77801469

What would dropping him do? Few not flying heroes had fallen more than spider-man, probably none to be honest, and he is still standing to this day.

>>77801517
Who are they talking about? Magento?

>>77801575
It would hurt

>>77801541

I wanna read this

>>77801677
Sentry.

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>>77801446
the one who is upset about his waifu is bendis.
She is a joke character. Bendis was trying to make her a serious character.
>MY WAIFU ISN'T PURE
are you an idiot? I don't give a fuck about squirrel girl, but giving her a serious drama qith wolverine when her character had always been a parody used to mock when comics take themselves too seriously is bendis trying to shit on her.

>>77801575
Just because he can survive it doesn't necessarily mean it won't hurt like a bitch.

>>77801469
Bendis doesn't hate Spider-Man. If anything, he truly loves him, but understands that part of the appeal of the character is that he's a guy everyone hates until they really get to know him.

>>77801711
What

>>77801719
>serious drama qith wolverine
Are you genuinely autistic? That page is very clearly humorous. It's meant to make readers go "Squirrel Girl and Wolverine? Lolwat."

>>77801719
>I don't want anybody to know I'm a mutant

>she's not a mutant anymore

Bravo Marvel

>>77797726
After reading this scene, I understand why Falcon hates Spider-Man so much here: >>77801469
I'd hate him too

>>77801541
are there people who actually like shatterstar?

>>77801803
People who've read X-Factor.

>>77801764
>That page is very clearly humorous
no it's not.

>>77801517
>sentry
>johnny
How many people have has rogue had off screen relationships with?

>>77801801
Inferiority complex?

>>77801469
Bendis doesn't hate Spider-man, Spider-man in this instance is Bendis's mouthpiece for Vision hate

>>77801574
>>77801015
It's not just Scarlet Witch, Bendis just hates all characters that use magic. He can't write them worth a shit.

>>77801816
>>77801816
I read it and liked PAD's writing , not shatterstar

>>77801677
Sentry.

Most fans however fanwank that Rogue was pulling a Jane Lane and made up shit about fucking Sentry nd creating a public scwne to humiliate Scott because Wrongclop expelled her from the X-men after Rogue called Scott out on being a worthless leader and not only defied Scott's orders (which would have destroyed mutantkind had Rogue not mutinied) but ended with Rogue saving mutantkind instead of Scott

>>77801833
You're talking about that page in New Avengers right? Why are you taking it so seriously exactly. They never even mention it again.

>>77798056
>>77798022

if memory serves they DID call her that in Alias

>>77801876
Shatterstar was always just around in X-Factor. He never really did much outside of superhero battles except that he quoted Gladiator that one time.

>>77801862
He doesn't hate all magic characters, Dr Strange, was used by him extensively. But yeah, he sucks at writing them

>>77798193

fuck you if you don't think Molly pushing Frank's shit in was hilarious

>>77801469
they should write a scene like this in Civil War.
Neither side wants him with them because he's too damn annoying

That one where Superman tells the Joker something like only stupid teens find him cool.

>>77801931
That part was, the way he was written was not.

>>77801893
>Why are you taking it so seriously
The OP asked for a page of a writer shitting on a character they hate and I posted one.
You're the one who's been taking this seriously.

>>77800724
I dunno I was a mean spirited vicious little cunt when I was a kid. Maybe we just had different childhoods.

>>77801982
That was less one page and more the entire issue.

>>77798193
Why are there three guns in the second panel? Am I missing something?

>>77802120
The top gun is the gun he's holding in the first panel, his arm is crossing the panel border

the bottom two are the two he's holding in the second panel

>>77802120
One of them overlaps from the first panel.

>>77801833
Yes it is. The rest of the context is the Avengers all being weirded out by the idea of Squirrel Girl and Wolverine and then there's no dramatic tone after. It's textbook humor.

What did Spiderman say that was wrong?

Vision is a android.

I'm pretty sure they all think of Pym as a insane pervert for fucking a robot with a copy of his wife's brain in it, and they're right to. But Wanda gets a pass?

>>77801931
that was funny, the rest of the story was the biggest pice of shit the Runaways had been until Arena.

>>77802184
Tom doesn't hate Dick

He just wanted to bring him back later in an awesome way.

>>77802236
all I can think about when I see Prometheus now is him and Midnighter fucking

>>77802183
All of them are giving him the "He's a REAL HUMAN BEAN you ASSHOLE" look.

>>77798193
I'm no fan of Frank and enjoy when he's taken down a peg, but this is just too strawmanny.

If I ever get to write X-men, i'm going to have Kitty Pride verbally destroyed for being such a cunt

I'm a Jew and I fucking hate her. Maybe Magneto should kill her, Mags did nothing wrong.

>>77802340
why you hate her? because she scolded your husbando Cyclops?

>>77802020
You're the one that didn't get the joke you damn idiot.

>>77800768
>He stood next to gods and said, "I handle my city."

Aaaand that's why Gotham is a crime infested, grimy hellhole and the absolute worst city to live on the DCU.

>>77802340
>You could have saved our race, Pryde
>instead you run off to space to be with your homo sapiens boyfriend

>>77802399
Hub City's worse

>>77798106
This would be funny if Grant Morrison didn't already make the same joke, better, in Doom Patrol

The Beard Hunter should make a return

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Fraction hates Doom so much he got the Living Tribunal, who was dead at the time, to call him a dick.

Now that's fucking dedication.

>>77801541
>Ha ha ha! Silly readers, caring about our characters. Whatta buncha nerds.

>>77802411
>saving race by staying on Earth and be sterilized with everyone else.
her children will be mutant/spartoi/celestial/human anyways.

>>77802380
Nah, she's really got an insufferable attitude and she comes across as that "edgy PC cunt" that everyone on 4chan hates, especially when she gets huffy at the word Mutie

>>77797726
You know, far from defending bad writing, but Spider-Man is right in this one. If it was him dating a robot you can bet that there would be headlines in the newspaper saying:
>Spider-Man Sexual Deviant
>Know Criminal Spider-Man In Unholy Relationship With Machine
>Spider-Man Fuck Robots
>read more on page 3

>>77800810
Tom King is pretty based but this is a shit opinion.

>>77802457
>Bendis has the Watcher come down and call Beast a shit
>Fraction tops him with the LT

>>77801803
Rob Liefeld and nobody else

Everyone else just mocks him for his retarded head gear and swords that don't properly sit on the handles because Rob can't draw anything right.

>>77801803
People who like that he fucks Rictor

>>77802513
How much time until the One Above All actually descends just to tell Spider-Man he fucked up?

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fuck you marvel

>>77802571
He already did that

ITT: People who think shitty writers writing characters terribly mean they hate them.

>>77802340
Magneto does EVERYTHING wrong. That's the point of the character, a point that's been taken from him because he was made attractive and people bought into his hype.

He is, or should be, the guy who's saying, "Yes, I understand your pain, your feelings, your aggression towards a world that doesn't understand you. But I do! Now set that mall on fire."

Magneto's the easy way out of a civil rights debate, the self righteous anger that turns into "action" that has no coherent plan outside of "break stuff to make myself feel better", the idea that the people you say are oppressing you (or more often, bystanders because you can't get at the real bastards) are less human than you, less deserving of life and safety.

He, or someone like him, is fundamentally important to X-Men and I honestly feel like the lack of a violent mutant demagogue character (Apocalypse never quite sticks as the leader of evil mutants does he.) is one of the major problems in modern X-Men. They have no guy doing it wrong to define themselves against, and all their philosophers have either gone rogue, crazy, died, or otherwise been so inconsistently written that there's no real sense of what the X-Mens's philosophy is anymore.

>>77802572
Fucking BARF. Is the Punisher Gen from Street Fighter know?

>>77802583
Oh yeah, I remembered right after I posted.
Thanks, Quesada.

>>77802572
You're mad that GR just got BTFO correct?

>>77801541
>Forge with the "this isn't going to end well" look

>>77798106
Was this made as an answer to Ennis' way of writing Logan?

>>77802572
This happens to Ghost Rider all the damn time.
The Penance Stare doesn't work on people who regret nothing or on the insane, regardless of what horrible things they did, so it's proven pretty useless

>>77802620
yes

>>77802620
I dunno doesn't this confirm that Frank's some kind of psychopath? Even the most willful person has some kind of regret.

>>77802602
>Taking "X did nothing wrong" seriously
>On 4chins

Way to get meme'd on, son

>>77802572
Wait, doesn't the Ghost Rider's Penance Stare work be making the victim relive all the pain they inflicted on INNOCENTS? If so, that would mean that Frank never hurt an innocent, which is basically canon, right?

>>77802669
I know, I know, I should've thrown in a disclaimer.

I'm still mad about Magneto and Scott saying how much Professor X would've loved this awful ending and hugging what can I say.

>>77802602
>He is, or should be, the guy who's saying, "Yes, I understand your pain, your feelings, your aggression towards a world that doesn't understand you. But I do! Now set that mall on fire."
This. Magneto'd be proud of the Ferguson riots if it was a mutant that was killed

>>77802663
Ah yeah that is fucking bullshit.

>>77802299
Did they actually fuck? Because I can imagine Midnighter touching himself at the thought of Prometheus soloing the Justice League

>>77802662
Which is all the more reason why this page is dumb. This isn't the first time GR comes across some sicko with no regrets for being a murderer, he shouldn't be falling to his knees saying "THAT'S UNPOSSIBLE", should've just called Frank a sack of shit and chain tossed him around.

>>77802681
No, the Penance Stare works by making the victim contemplate their sins. However, in order for it to work the target has to actually think that what he's done is wrong. Therefore, it doesn't work on people who genuinely believe they've done no wrong.
All this does is prove that Frank is fucking insane

>>77802681
Correct, Frank has probably minimal damage done to innocents. Mostly emotional I'd imagine.

>>77802716
>Did they actually fuck?
Yep

>>77802698
but he would've loved it.

>>77802728
Nope, harms those who have harmed innocents. Nothing to do with sins.

>>77802572
To be fair Ghost Rider's Penance Stare can't be so badly designed and flawed that it will fuck you up just because you killed.

>>77801466
Marvel Zombies Supreme.

>>77802236
When the fuck did this happen?

>>77802844
looks like Gay for Justice

>>77801888
what order did she defy?

>>77802829
>How dare you use time travel that one time! You are the worst person ever! Far worse than Reed Richards, Doctor Doom, Zarrko the Tomorrow Man, Wolverine, Spider-Man 2099, Iron Man 2020, Two-Gun Kid, Kang the Conqueror or all those other time travelers for some reason

>>77802875
Thread name says "writer", Goyer doesn't qualify.

>>77802340
I'm also Jewish and hate Kitty. I mean, the writing is solid because I absolutely knew girls that stuck up, entitled and self absorbed in Hebrew school. Up to and including believing they get to say "nigger" because they're making some point about how jews are discriminated against or something.

I don't go to temple anymore.

I'm pretty sureall the Bloodlines characters, except Hitman, were shit on by other characters, they explicitly said that the JLA hates them and mocked them. To the point that after they all died, Flash was basically all "of course they died, they were all shit"

>>77802920
Hank broke time in some kind of unspecified way.

The original X-Men have changed too much to go back, but they are from the original timeline, not a divergent one.

Hank fucked up massively.

>>77797726
> Strange told Wanda that magic babies was fine and that she was silly to worry about it. She was right; he was wrong.
Yet Wanda gets branded as nuts when the magic babies shit was never her idea while the people who greenlit it and pushed for it are seen as supreme voices of reason.

>>77802425
Honestly, not sure about that.
I mean, the Question book went out of it's way to establish it as being "worse than gotham" in terms of crime or something.
But how many times has Hub City been turned into a quarantined warzone the government just wrote off?

We can say there are more muggers or something, and that probably is awful for the residents, but by sheer volume of Bat-books, Joker has probably killed more people than the total residents of Hub City.

>>77802572
>I regret nothing
Except, you know, my single defining character trait, I regret failing to save my family, their eyes pleading with me to help as the life drained from them.
>I suppose since I know for a fact I live in a world where people use magic and shit to bring people back from the dead, I suppose I also regret not using my sometimes frenemies like Spiderman or Daredevil to line up someone who could help on that, I guess.

>>77803133
The Hood once brought Frank's family back to life in an attempt to use them as hostages. Frank burned them alive because he says they belong dead.
I shit you not

>>77802829

Between him and MJ, dunno who got fucked over the hardest

>>77801415
>The reason Feige disbanded the creative committee was because Bendis purposefully made Edgar Wright angry because he wanted to sabotage Ant-Man

>>77801015
Not exactly that but he destroyed characters that got in the way of his favourites. He removed Ant-Man, Wanda, Vizh, Hawkeye...then shoved in Spidey, Snikt Bub, and Luke Cage.

Wanda is a nuanced character who does not quip, is not brash, and does not do "Bendis-speak", she's not street level and deals in the mystical which Bendis is shit at.

>>77802911
Fuck that book is just awful.

>>77802399
Well the problem with Gotham (at first) was that it was a hub of organized crime, so just having superman throw all the criminals into the sun wouldn't solve anything
So you need Batman to be a detective to expose the criminal organizations below the surface.
But now its bad because it was built on an indian burial ground and only batman is super cool enough to fight it and stay sane

>>77803205
Wow The Punisher a shit.

>>77802399
>Gotham is burning to ashes.
>There is no hope in sight.
>Bruce let us help you.
>No. This is my city. Stay away, I got this all covered.

>>77801415
>Bendis's face when Jack-of-Hearts is introduced as a bargin bin version of Iron Man on AoS and they push a Daisy/Jack ship hard because no one gives a fuck about Lincoln and Ward is a psychopath who is gonna be red skull 2 or something.

>>77801415
It truly is glorious.

I do wonder if Bendis sits through Age of Ultron thinking "Why doesn't Wanda just kill them? Why is she hesitant and thoughtful and not batshit? Why is Joss showing her as a good but hurt person? Why is she not a 2D whack-job?"

>>77803711
I wonder if he even cares about the movies since he still has the comics as his soapboat.

>>77803613
Joss Whedon go back to your twitter echo chamber

>>77803812
He got chased off Twitter for his strong female character not being perfect.

>>77803812
I'll go back to counting my money and ordering your mom as a little slut on the side for my pleasure.

>>77802602
>Magneto does EVERYTHING wrong. That's the point of the character, a point that's been taken from him because he was made attractive and people bought into his hype.

Exactly. This is one of the reasons I'm dreading X-Men: Apocalypse. It's amazing how fast his characterization in the movies became "Eric's a good boy until provoked" as soon as Fassbender got the role. I thought Cullen Bunn's Magneto run would have at least fixed this problem in the comics, but apparently it didn't.

>>77802496
>read more on page three

That's a terrible headline even for the Planet

>>77801541
I really don't like when artists cant remember that Spiral doesn't have 5 fingers. I find that annoying. It would be like drawing Wolverine with 4 claws.

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>>77802120
>>77802156
>>77802162

>>77804445
>Spiral doesn't have 5 fingers.
Really? Odd I never noticed that.

>>77802742
He killed a bunch of people in 'Nam.

>>77801982
I mean, he's not wrong though. Especially recent incarnations of the character where he isn't just another thug with a gimmick.

>>77798193
I don't get it.

>>77798106

This is a reference to an old who-dunnit type murder mystery movie called "Murder By Death." That line is delivered by Peter Falk's character when asked why he keeps a bunch of nude musclemen magazines after he was done going undercover.

>>77804250
Yeah, the same Fassbender who said to Nazi Black King, "You are absolutely right about the need for a master race to rule the world. Its just going to be mine."

THAT WAS A GREAT LINE WHY DID THEY BACK DOWN FROM THAT.

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G A R T H E N N I S

Everytime

>>77798022
Yeah, and it was funny as shit.

>>77802496
>read more on page 3

Ok, I keked at that.

>>77805823
This whole run is just a massive Wolverine torture porn. Someone post the page where Frank runs over him with a steamroller.

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>>77802572
>I regret nothing

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>>77805928

>>77803879
my mom is not Kitty Pryde so I know you won't enjoy it

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>>77805954
Cont.

>>77805887
Geoff Johns has had a funny way of expressing his hatred for Hal over the course of his career.

>>77805887
OUCH.

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>>77805887

>People accidentally touching that magic lasso again

>>77802917

Dont sleep with Sentry

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>>77801719
>he is a joke character. Bendis was trying to make her a serious character.
And, personally, I think it worked. It was neat seeing Squirrel Girl mature, and it isn't like she was "SERIOUS AND DARK, NO FUNNY BUSINESS " character, she was still largely upbeat.
>a serious drama qith wolverine
There wasn't even any drama outside of that one instance. It's a joke.

>>77805887
>Johns
>Hating Hal
You're kidding, right?

>>77802995
So the writers decided Hank's time travel worked different so they could deflect the blame of "breaking up the x-men" from Scott's Magneto impression to Hank.

>>77801888
Wasn't Sentry that insane Superman expy who ripped Ares in half and eventually killed himself?

Where did he land on the scale of Marvel heroes, anyway?

>>77806252
What do you mean by "scale", anon?

He was meant to be a one off character that was there all along but everyone forgot, much like DC's Triumph, and was supposed to be an exploration of addiction through superpowers. But after his story wrapped up, he kept getting used as a unstable Superman whenever a powerhouse was required to the plot and ended up getting offed by Thor.

Last seen as a Horsemen of Death for the Apocalypse Twins, as far as I know.

>>77806434
Power scale.

I'm not super well versed in marvel canon.

>>77805887
Johns doesn't hate Hal, he just got confused and thought he was writing Guy Gardner in early JL.

>>77803776
>>77801415
You're overestimating Bendis.
I recall with Hawkeye specifically the movie made him suddenly like Hawkeye. He's more fake nerd than even the fakest of fake nerds.

>>77803079
"Quarantined war zone" is standard operating procedure for Hub City, instead of "in case of earthquake break glass"

>>77797726
What the hell's going on here? There's like 20 heroes there.

>>77806483
He fought a powered up Hulk capable of destroying the world in World War Hulk to a standstill for a long time until both of them reverted to human for expending all the juice they had, so I'd say he's up there.

>>77803133
You're a retard and don't know the Punisher's character at all.

>>77804485
>Wouldn't be the first time

Are you fucking kidding me

>>77804445
Well it is easy to forget. I didn't remember until you mentioned it since she is a human.

>>77806549
>implying Johns wrote early JL

>>77802701
As in the riots where cops were blatantly lying about rioting happening while not realizing that everything was being streamed live on the internet to call them out on bullshit and many of the stores vandalized were to get milk thanks to it's uses for rising out the teargas spam?

>>77802457
We all know its not the Beyonders that took LT down. Doom did it as revenge.

>>77806609
Avengers Disassembled

Shit went down in the name of ruining Scarlet Witch

>>77806857
He did. Geoff Johns can write shitty stories, the dude is not untouchable.

>>77806873
Nice bait, but not nice enough.

>>77806873
Because Michael Brown's stepfather screaming BURN THIS BITCH DOWN, BURN THIS MOTHERFUCKER DOWN was clearly a police officer in disguise

>>77805887
what's the point of even having batman there?

>>77806248
>>77802995

I can't remember if Hank using Doomlocks for that is canon or not. Doomlocks are the one true form of time travel in the MU as it prevents alternate reality splits from your meddling.
It was also WOLVERINE that specifically broke time because Wolverine getting his hands on a time machine can only go wrong.
Most of the X-men's previous time shenanigans also removed entire timelines from existence yet the watcher didn't make time in his final hours of life to make personal visits to each and every single member of the X-men involved.

>>77806652
He was in 'Nam. The Viet Cong weren't above recruiting young soldiers and a kid with a gun can kill you just as easily as an adult with a gun. Likewise plenty of the gang members he's put down during his days as the punisher would have been teenagers. Crime has few age restrictions.

>>77806483
>>77806434
Didn't he also overcome the Apocalypse Horsemen of Death "spell" or whatever, and take control of himself.
Isn't like, he still finding himself in space or someshit?

>>77801911
I just read Alias last week, she's called Coma Girl by Flash Thompson and his friends when she gets to go back to school.

>>77806942
It's pretty obvious he didn't when you compare Throne of Atlantis and the other early story arcs

>>77806434
his powers were actually narrative based.
Reality changed to make him look better anytime he needed it, his powers were fit to retroactively make him look better and better.
Thats whats happening there, The hottest girl that no one can touch is now his secret lover, even tho it makes no sense in continuity, because it never happened. He just created that.

Remember who is narrating this, its Sentry.

>>77806252
>>77806483
in his original run robert reynolds gained great reality warping powers and with those he unconsciously made himself into the Sentry, the ideal of the best supehero there can be, while his fears and anxiety and insecurities formed the Void, which was far more powerful than the Sentry.
The point of the character was that all of Robert's successes came as the Sentry, but those powers came from a serum and it would have worked on anyone. Robert himself had really no credit in them, or at least he felt that way, and thus all that he achieved felt empty, Void.
But following writes have failed to understand that and have turned him into a generic flying brick.

>>77807327
Age of the Sentry was pretty good,.

>>77807327
>>77807412
I really loved how for every person The Sentry saves, The Void does the opposite.

>>77802212
How was Dick brought back?

>>77807621
As Deadman

>>77805977
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't work, considering his skeleton.

>>77802299
That was an AMAZING reveal.

>>77806628
No he's not. Frank's regret and anger at himself for being unable to save the people he loved is the driving force of his character. That and the wrath he feels towards those who did it. Has been since Issue 1.

It's the only thing that keeps him from being complete shit.

>>77805975
I'll just have her cosplay as her for my amusement while I screw her then.

>>77806232
Having pet characters doesn't mean you can't take the piss out of them from time to time.

>>77808769
He uses it as a force of conscious but his wrath is the main part of his character, he is a soldier fighting a war against criminals and that's all he sees it as

>>77807881
It certainly wouldn't be pleasant regardless

>>77809021
unless he's into that

>>77809061
How would you even find out you're into that

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>>77801469
why does every super spiderman jokes around with have to act so serious? he's legit funny alot of the time, so why does everyone have to have a stick up their ass?

>>77799841
It was a big rock

>>77809342
There was a comic with one of his villains admitting he was kind of funny with all the others disagreeing, but I don't remember which comic or villain.

>>77802210

What, the Old New York arc?

I liked most of it, the pacing and release schedule were just atrocious. I got to see The Yellow Kid in a Marvel comic, that was great.

>>77803133

>Frank brings his family back
>they have been watching him from heaven this entire time and are horrified at what he has become, immediately flee the country
>Frank stares out a window, shrugs, goes back to killing people

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>>77810264
Shit, that wasn't the one I was talking about, but now I remember. It was during Dark Reign, and it was also Bullseye talking to either Daken, Scorpion or Moonstone.

Bullseye's just got a thing for Spidey, I guess.

>>77810264
>>77810365
God damnit bullseye is so great. He just literally gives no fucks about anything or anybody else really, enjoys life in his own sick twisted way and just chills.

>>77802962

But the "nigger" thing was great, within the context of the comic. Could apply to bigotry towards a marginalized group displayed by any other marginalized group.

>>77806252

>ripped Ares in half

Gotta love that he tore a person in half--lengthwise, like splitting a hot dog--and they still censored the swear someone muttered in response.

can i get a 32pages invite

>>77810389
>>77810365
>>77810264
There is also another one with some low list villains doing a heist and peter shows up quiet, making them panic while one of them wished he was joking.

Completely different from the baby stealing saga.

>>77803079
To be fair, even during 'Quarantined Warzone' Gotham still had a cadre of superheroes, occasionally Superman stopped in, and Gordon rallying the police to STILL try and keep order.
Even some of the villains were maintaining a delicate balance.

Meanwhile, there was a period of time in Hub City where ALL the emergency services were shut off, and the whole place devolved into one massive riot, with Vic being driven around by 'Tot so that he could try and manage to keep SOME kind of peace. Solo. He spent 36 hours at least not sleeping, (possibly not eating) just driving from one fight to the next (and usually outnumbered, and without any of the cool gadgets Batman gets to bring)

I admit Gotham was quarantined for longer, but still... Hub City gets amazingly shitty.

>>77803612
Why hasn't Doctor Fate ever dropped by and put some wards up? Or exorcised the city?

>>77807621
>>77802184
>he didn't finish reading Injustice
Dude...

>>77801415
JACK OF HEARTS FOR MCU

>>77803848
>>77803812
HORK HORK HORK

>>77804445
Does she have 4? Didn't she start out as human Ricochet Rita so should have 5 on her original arms?

>>77803245

Well, at least MJ is still somewhat likeable.

>>77811509
Because you're not suppose to think about that. Now sssshhh and be quiet and eat up some more regurgitated Batcock by Scott Snyder.

>>77808923
I love the MAX series too, just as I love the Ultimate universe in it's prime, and hell, even the MCU as fun flicks with friends. They're all self contained universes, and it's clear you're only quoting MAX because that's the most well known Punisher story.

>>77806248
Doom is the only master of time travel, Hank tried to pull some hodge podge operation just so highschool friends would tell him he's great, then called Wolverine to do some timework.

How the fuck would this end well?

>>77803776
He literally chose to write GotG because he thought he'd have an impact on the movies. And then was btfod by based Gunn telling the cast not to read his shit.

>>77811509
That eldritch abomination that Arkham asylum keeps caged in to prevent it from fully entering our reality may be above his pay grade? Yes. that's the reason that asylum is so shitty and fails so hard. There is a lovecraftian horror seeping in and making the patients/staff even more insane than when they first went in.

>>77801948

There might he some "hey you're really young, go home," too

>>77813945
Maybe they should keep people somewhere else.

>>77802183

Hey, Vision is only a copy of her boyfriend in-between periods of dating and/or being married to him, not her dead husband. So...

>>77799841
>using characters to nonsensically bitch about plot cliches
That's one of the hackiest things you can do.

>>77806252
Senry's really a reality warper. I want to say Jenkins himself came out and eventually said that even while "dead" Sentry was still using his abilities to warp things around.

That's the thing most people (such as Bendis) don't seem to get: Sentry isn't Superman but CUHRAAAAAZY. He's literally the embodiment of wish fulfillment and his powers in fact stem from that. If Sentry wanted to shoot Punch Dimension Beams instead of be Superman he'd probably be able to do that.

>>77805709

Commies aren't people.

>>77802236
Robinson has been doing this shit since his Firearm series in the 90's.

>>77809116


>Jubilee and Logan try to re-enact the steamroller scene from Austin Powers in the danger room
>Jubilee can't drive steamroller because Asian woman
>Logan couldn't snikt the steamroller
>gets run over
>acquires new fetish

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>>77802156

Maximum skill

>>77813610
That's kind of fucking hilarious, actually.

He's a fucking synthezoid, Peter.

>>77802791
Well, apparently that's not how it works anymore going by that page.
Continuity? What's that?

>>77804485
Tbf, you don't tell someone you're trying to intimidate that they're in no danger at all. Thatyjyst fucking common sense 101.

>>77801469
I would genuinely enjoy it if it became canon now that Sam just hates Spider-Man.

>>77802571
Well he DID once go down just to tell him to stay chill and accept what happened during Back in Black. So he'd be well within his rights to just pop on down and call Peter a dumbass for being told by the Lord himself to not do something stupid, and he does something stupid anyway.

>>77803205
Punisher then tried to kill Osborn, got dicced up by Daken, became an honest to god Frankenstein's Monster and teamed up with Mobius the Living vampire and Manphibean in the struggle against monster hunting Samurai lead by an insane man who is more or less a skull in a jar.

Ain't comics great?

>>77810365
That's Dark Avengers, written by Bendis. Not exactly USM or Daredevil tier, but far from his worst work. Between that and the Spidey-torture scene, I guess it's canon that Bullseye likes Spidey (not enough to not kill him or torture him horribly, but enough to take a moment from doing so to laugh at his jokes)

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>>77801982
Damn straight

>>77817059
Is he talking about himself or The Joker?

>>77817094
The Joker obviously.
At the end of the story, Joker is so butthurt that he never wants to return to Metropolis ever again because Superman is no fun

i love how everybody has opinions but most will agree that kitty pryde is shit

>>77817470
It's less hate for Kitty and more hate for Bendis splashing on the character. She's not very appreciated around, true, but a good half of the bitching is directed at the writer.

>>77803428
This is bullshit but I believe it

>>77814400
>He's literally the embodiment of wish fulfillment
that makes him superman.
bob reyolds is a reality warper. Sentry is his fantasy of a perfect superhero, that is, superman.

>>77811435
I read that Annual the other day.
It was Dr. Bong, Shrunken Bines, and Angar. Ruby Thursday was there too, and she said "as long as Spider-Man is cracking jokes, the world is alright."
Then he shows up and says nothing while each one tries to goad him on. They all shit themselves so hard.

Turns out he just had laryngitis.

>>77814203
Who did Uncle Chthon prefer?

Vision or Wonder Man? Or maybe he shipped her with Dr. Doom. Maybe he secretly writes Wanda/Doom fanfics in his FicHold, an indestructable parchment of daemonic fanwank.

>>77798193
I don't see what's wrong with this.

>>77800810
Which Clayface tho? Haven't there been, like, six?

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>>77817720
quiet spidey is fucking scary. It annoys me when writers have him spouting or narrating typical angry rants when the gloves come off.

That aside, do you remember which annual it is? someone should storytime it if they haven't recently.

>>77805887
that's just Hal being Hal

Man, Spidey should have clocked The Winged Negro.

>>77817853
It was Annual Spider-Man Vol. 3.
I have the pages. I can storytime it later today if anyone is interested.

>>77817839
Punisher don't point guns at kids. Also he was REALLY badly written by Whedon.

>>77805928
>Ennis writes Spider-Man
>Punisher repeatedly uses him as a shield against a huge cyborg russian with tits
>"We had a team-up. You were great."

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>Ctrl-F bendis
>29 results

>>77798193
>>77817839
The worst part about this is that I can't unhear Thomas James voice whenever I see Frank.
>Doesn't kill women or children.
>Children in harms way make him go fucking berserk
>pointing guns at kids because they stole something

The most he would do is scare them silly. He wouldn't actually ducking point a gun at anyone that didn't deserve it.
It's because Whedon has the audacity to do this kind of thing and get praised for it.
Frank getting knocked down a few pegs is always great, but he has an absurd moral core. This kind of shit is where I stop suspending my disbelief and get assmaimed.

>>77801517
>holds on to Ms. Marvel for like a minute
>gains enough flight and super strength to last like a year.
>has a full session of fucking with the Sentry
How fucking strong was Rouge in this page?

>>77809342
Carol, Silk, Wolverine, Prowler, uh... Fuck that's all I can think of right now.
Jesus not even Torch as of late, huh? Or Black Cat. Slott must have a hateboner for her or something.
>MUH FAMILY, MUH BUILDING

Speaking of Family, is Spidey even aware Flash is in possession of Venom? or is there some retarded mandate in place that prevents them from meeting?

>>77797726
You'd think Jocasta would be the one who feels most insulted, she's standing right there

>>77807881
frank didn't intend to kill him, just put him out of commision long enough to throw him off his scent

>>77797726
>Only chimes in to say what everyone is thinking
>"I was helping with the aliens a second ago"
God bless you Spidey, you're the only one who's always got his heart in the right place.

>>77802962
Maybe a bit off topic, but I saw a Bill Maher where Shara Silverman was arguing rather strenuously with black chick and a Chinese guy that it was perfectly okay for her, a white Jewish woman, to use nigger and chink because it was "comedy".

>>77797726
Why are people only pointing out what Spider-Man is saying?
What Nick Fury is saying is horrible too. Not only is he claiming that being related to evil people makes you evil (how's that evil brother of yours doing Nick), but he's making it look like Wanda was an evil mutant terrorist, when in reality she hated being there and was only repaying the debt of Magneto saving her life. She and her brother went out of their way to sabotage Magneto's plans and kept shittalking him and calling him horrible to his face.

>>77818269
Its because he's horrendously easy to pick on and Falcon hates him for some reason.

That and no one there wants to acknowledge the bomb Fury just dropped.

>>77800959
I'd watch this so hard

>>77817954

I'm interested. Quiet Spidey gets my hype train rolling.

>>77798193
>...and you can punish my ass.
List of things that sounded better in the writer's head.

>>77818316
But what Fury said isn't a bomb, Wanda never believed in the cause of mutant supremacy, and being related to someone evil doesn't mean you're evil (even funnier when later it turns out they were never related after all)

>>77815640
Franks only got INT 10 dude chill

>>77818269
They never went out of their way to sabotage shit.
They were partially responsible for some horrible crimes and they are both responsible for even worse crimes on their own.
Hell they are almost personally responsible for 90% of the anti mutant prejudice on the planet and they don't have to worry about ANY of that shit because LOL WE SOWWY WE AVENGERS NOW!!
No fuck that.
Those fuckers should be the FIRST ONES on genosha getting tortured and weaponized and made into human components of genosha's slave built empire.

>>77817853
>the way he hides in every panel
Fucking brilliant

>>77818360
>They never went out of their way to sabotage shit.
Off the top of my head, Magneto put a bomb in a castle that would have killed the X-Men and several civilians. Wanda and Pietro got rid of it.
They never actually did anything heinous because if Magneto told them to they'd refuse.
The "Brotherhood" wasn't a brotherhood at all, everyone hated each other

>>77818017
It's the retarded reasoning that since the Punisher doesn't shy from killing perps he's obviously switched to the "dark side" and he wouldn't hesitate killing innocents.

>>77802829
Yeah, that last panel is pretty close to the expression I'd have when I realize that a massive, smug bobblehead is literally watching and judging me in my bedroom.

>>77818254
depends on what she meant. In context of a crass joke? yeah sure, a person can be offended at the use of vulgarity in a joke but this is 4chan we throw around slurs here because anonymity turns them into meaningless fodder for jokes.

but you don't get to use slurs without ramifications, even for jokes.

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>>77817059
Ya know, I kind of like Sues insulting and humilating Joker, and saying that he is above his league.

The Joker is already the "edgy" character with ridiculous plot armor. Let someone put him on his place sometimes.

>>77798106
>shitting on the Punisher

Someone's looking to get Franked

>>77818458
A later writer had to retcon this as being Jigsaw drugging Frank and making him crazy

>>77798193
>SJW turns Punisher into a mustache twirling villain because his personal moral code differs from his own

This is not surprising, but it still bothers me.

>>77801541
>There will never be a Spiral comic book

Fug

>>77802236
Jobbing is not a hatred for characters.

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>>77818460
It was a nice moment in a terrible issue. Such a shame.

>>77818460
On one hand, yeah, he's right.
On the other, my god it's heavy-handed.
>You're a goofy idea that only a child would think is cool
That is not how a character talks about another character. That is the writer voicing his opinion in a speech bubble and forgetting he's writing a character in a story and not a post on a forum.

>>77802457

\You want to talk about Matt Fritchman hating characters? he fucked Iron Man for 4 and ahalf years.

>>77818666
>You're a goofy idea that only a child would think is cool.

Fuck you could the same about Superman.

>>77818703
Joker fanboy detected.

>>77818065
Wasn't she made by a machine supremacists? The only offense she could take is that she was indirectly linked to a weak fleshling.

>>77818703
besides the point.
That is not how a person describes another person.

>>77818666
Plus he says he's wearing a "Silly costume" when Clark is wearing his undies on the outside.

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>>77798193
>and you can punish my ass.

>>77818360
Are you one of those people that think joining the avengers automatically prevents anti-mutant riots and whatnot from happening because Wanda and Pietro have to deal with the same crap every other mutant in that universe deals with except they're nice and public so they know exactly where to go to burn down the house.

>>77819624
I can think of only one story where they were shat on for being mutants. And cap stopped that with his +20 speech skills
Have any other stories where they had to deal with that while they were avengers?
Mainline stuff, not the AU stuff.

>>77809342
Because you need the straight man for comedy act to work.

>>77819635
House burning down, that riot stopped by cap, the actual terrorist attack on the avengers mansion (that counts more for vision than wanda imo) anti-mutant protests in general, Cap deciding to help Jarvis sort out Wanda's fan mail and discovering it was mostly anti-mutant hate speeches instead.
You're expecting her to be treated like an X-men character where the bigotry is the focus of the story 99% of the time and the characters go looking for the bigotry instances. That sort of thing isn't the focus as often outside of X-men comics. Instead it's simply there in a few panels. Most mutants don't have to deal with X-men tier troubles.

>>77802995
>>77802920
You can't break time. With Doom's tech, you end up influencing your universe and without them, you just create a branching timeline, of wich there were infinite to begin with.

>>77803612
>So you need Batman to be a detective to expose the criminal organizations below the surface.

Reminds me of
>GAZONKS, Batman, the Penguin is pumping industrial waste into Gothamn's water supply, which is going to kill everybody ten years down the line
>M...muh free enterprises do nuffin wrong, Robin. Invisible sky hands will save us and deliver justice.

>>77801770

And she doesn't want people knowing she isn't a mutnant now.

Poetry?

>>77802978
Poor Tommy. He deserved better.

>>77819723
Most costumed mutants either lie about or don't bring up the fact they are mutants.
The non costumed one's without the avengers backing them get bullets beaten and sentinels sent after them.

By the way, they helped cause most of the anti mutant hysteria that they are only getting a tiny little snippet of from behind the safe gated super hero community and avengers mansion.

The rest of the mutants dont' have it so lucky.
Best part? Wanda depowered most of them leaving them without ways to defend themselves, in dangerous situations that their fucking birthright allowed and oft times demanded they use. That's not mentioning how many lives were ended because they depended on those peoples mutant powers.

They Pieotr and Wanda Maximoff are the worst things to ever happen to the mutants.
Period.
Them getting a few hate letters means fuck all.

>>77820822
If you wanted sentinel attacks specifically that was during the Onslaught Saga and Avengers missions have had complications due to the fact that they would set off any sentinels in the area. (Sentinels actually do get employed for defense in ways other than to kill mutants but they have the massive problem of kill all mutants being seemingly impossible to remove without breaking the spaghetti coding that makes them effective.)
A majority of mutants couldn't defend themselves in the first place and you're acting like every mutant power is a "gift" when most of them were happy to be rid of it. There was one that didn't get depowered whom became a serial killer out of rage that he was still a mutant.
You think the mutant experience boils down to sentinel attacks and fantastical storylines about genoshan slave camps when the reality for most mutants is much more mundane than that. Then you proceed to pretend the only thing to happen to her was some hate mail. Is the only characterization of her that you've seen from 2000ish onwards when it seems to have been decided for Avengers mutants to not have to deal with bigotry or are you ignoring anything to the contrary of your opinion?
A decent portion of Wanda's early character was her being angry at the nonstop anti-mutant bigotry that came her way. What the hell is with that gated community line about her when the X-men is a team comprised almost entirely of billion/millionaires that live in a mansion at upstate NY?

>>77821041
Have you honestly fucking forgotten all of the sentinel attacks and the nimrod program from operation zero tolerance?
The fact that a persons mutant power was just the ability to grow their eye lashest to be two feet long or glow in the dark means FUCK ALL.
They got wasted.
The twins got both the good mutant powers AND were protected from the worst of it by an alpha class mutant then the fucking avengers and their status as heroes.
They got off with a slap on the wrist.
The other mutants?
They get sentinal attacks and beaten to death because they have a goddamend tail.
Mundane powers?
That shit that was retconned in by morrison is mostly ignored, secondly the MORLOCKS are the mutants who got the worst of it in power type or physical mutations.
Want to know what they got when wanda had her hissyfit?
Half of them dead because they're bodies didn't have the mutation keeping them alive the other half hunted because they don't have their powers to protect them anymore.
Same thing happened to the rest of the unfortunate mutants out there.
So few turned into humans with no visible mutations that it might as well be a fucking statistacl anomaly.
As for the x-men. I was contrasting the lives of the average mutant in the mcu with the lives of the twins in the avengers mansion.
Not the x-men vs the avengers.

>>77797726
Any time Ennis has a superhero on panel, always. They are portrayed as either idiots or sociopaths.

>>77821503
Do you not actually read comics or are you just a Wolverine fanboy?

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Johns has a long story with Batman. but he also does that to some characters he like

>>77802875
Dude, no. That wasn't genocide. That was a man finally making a decision for himself, and that was one of the points of the movie.

Throughout the film, Jor-El told Clark that he would have to make a choice between Earth and Krypton. Krypton was an isolationist, xenophobic society which had become stagnant and rotten at its very core. Earth had not yet run its course. It had not yet had its 'chance'. Krypton did, and it suffered the fate it made for itself.

But by all means, keep shitposting like the small minded cretin you are.

>>77819723
Spidey said it best in S&XM #1
>WHO KNEW A GROUP SO FEARED AND HATED COULD BE SO FEARING AND HATEY?!

>>77821503
Read Hitman 34 and the Hitman /JLA crossover. Both have great portrayals of existing heroes.
Hell read The Boys. Most are idiots or sociopaths but a couple (Hughies gf and the russian dude) are chill

>>77822484

I'll say this about Ennis: he may hate superheroes and have a huge military boner but he knows when not to shit on things.

He shat on Punisher in the end, which is a lot better then most people.

>>77822484
Or just read Marvel Knights' Punisher, where Wolverine is a complete tool as usual but Daredevil and Spider-Man are written normally.

>>77802399
I thought Bludhaven was as bad, if not worse, than Gotham?

>>77822786
Gotham is huge, from 8 million to 11 depending of the writter, hub and bludhaven are worst but smaller

>>77822640
Spider-Man is literally a punching bag and human shield

>>77802399

Burnside seems pretty okay. Gentrification works again!

>>77823407
Well Batman can't adopt Barbara's method of letting criminals gang banging her in exchange for quitting crime.

If you are a super villain she lets you creampie her.

Why does everyone act like Wanda's behaviour was remotely in character in hom/Dissembled and not Bendis' hate Boner showing?

Like everyone calls OOC for literally any character but Wanda, despite the fact Bendis has a history of hating her?

>>77802662
If it didn't work on people who didn't regret their crimes it would be almost completely worthless. That's not how it works.

>>77802829
Telling people things is an action.

>>77818254
But that's correct.

>>77823560
>it would be almost completely worthless
Well, yeah, it kind of is.
Case in point, this guy is immune to it because even though he's a serial killer he's convinced he's following God's will.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacon_(comics)

>>77823465
She's a woman. Fuck her.

>>77821503
Ennis need a good therapyst

>>77799841
It's a decent criticism, especially when there used to be a ton of people under those disguises.

>>77823465
She was stupid enough to feel remotely bad about it combined with the fact that the crappy OOC moment was forced to still exist for over a decade, the ramifications of that bullshit echoed in event after event so that we can't possibly forget it until AvsX.
If she hadn't had a forced character limbo she might had a chance but at the same time we got to see it hammered into everyone brains until there is now an entire generation that only knows Wanda from HoM forwards.
It's also part of the hypocrisy of comics. Cable turns everyone into smurfs but it's not genocide. Cable also invented an integrated Utopia about a year or two before Cyclops did yet Cyclops never gets shit on for stealing his son's idea or the fact there seems to be a running pattern with Cyclops where it's only a good idea if it's his idea and anyone else having bright ideas must be stopped.

>>77815586
Just because one writer doesn't know how powers work doesn't mean that's how the fucking powers work.

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>>77802572
That's not how it works.

>>77801770
Well, she denies being mutant, because she doesn't want people to know that she is.

>>77825397
It's more like several writers not knowing how it works because they always think some dude resisting the penance stare is cool. It's utter bullshit since the original parameters of it are very explicit but it's still there.

>>77812893
It only proves that ennis sucks. People think that his Punisher is the only punisher and completely ignore DeMatteis, Baron, and Dixon

>>77805977
Pretty sure that because of the skeleton, that steamroller wouldn't be flat on the ground like that, unless it's pushing Logan into the ground.

>>77805954
>>77805977
Post Tieri's response to this: the shit in Wolverine where he insinuates Frank is gay.

>>77826263
It's literally the second image posted in this thread, you lazy cunt.

>>77802602
Magneto is basically Malcolm X and right now the culture favors radical social justice. It's not the writers fault, it's that times have changed. Professor X is seen as weak and a collaborator.

>>77823597
Yes, yes it is. Why the fuck should he give a shit what the watcher thinks anyway? Dude shows up out of nowhere just to say "You're a dick".

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>>77817059

I have to agree.

I used to really like the Joker but now he's just edgy for the sake of being, he hasn't been compelling at all in the last couple of years.

I only like the Ledger Joker because of the performance Heath gave.

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>>77826635
Not really. It's more that with the spread of information(usually via social media) it's alot harder to ignore that the problem is still blatantly there which brings up alot of anger.
Most don't actually have a problem with the professor X angle. It's actually the ideal choice. The problem is the use of the ideals as an excuse for inaction by the side doing the hating.

It would be like the X-men get shit on for defending themselves from a sentinel attack (How dare you destroy government property!) or calling for whatever person did the terrorist attack yet AGAIN to actually be put in jail and prosecuted. Then they get called out for not following Xavier's dream when they do attempt to follow his guidelines and get beaten attacked for it instead so that everyone can ignore what's going on tomorrow instead of doing something about the wrongs being committed.
It's not that he would be seen as weak. It's that he would be brought up like that and then everyone gets surprised when mutants respond "fuck you" and Magneto is gaining sympathy points.

>>77802236

I find it hilarious someone decided Prometheus deserved this when his introduction was "he was able to beat up Batman because he got the drop on him" followed by him getting his shit pushed in by Batman in their rematch.

>>77797953
It is really out of character. He's only there to be a cunt.

>>77826899
kept expecting him to show up with Sheldon and Penny

>>77823836
I thought that was because he was working for Zadkiel and Zadkiel had usurped God, so obviously he can futz with GR's divine punishment

>>77825864
>MAX is so good that it overshadows every other interpretation
>this means Ennis sucks
Good work

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>>77821751
>Throughout the film, Jor-El told Clark that he would have to make a choice between Earth and Krypton. Krypton was an isolationist, xenophobic society which had become stagnant and rotten at its very core. Earth had not yet run its course. It had not yet had its 'chance'. Krypton did, and it suffered the fate it made for itself.

not the guy but you didn't payed attention to the movie didn't you?
Jor-el all the movie spends his time talking about making Krypton and earth co-exist, and how clark was the bridge between two people, and he begs Zod to not destroy humanity, which ironic enough Clark does(but with his people).
Watch the movie again, stupid fuck, and no I don't hate MoS I find the movie an interesting interpretation of the character.

>>77828615
but he sucks anon
just happen he only sucks sometimes