Can we have a Catwoman thread?
Who draws the best Catwoman? Cooke, March, Lee, Gulacy, Messina, Sale, Nguyen, or maybe someone else?
This. And after BvS, where the trailer seems to imply that DCAU tension will return, the comics as always will follow suit. WonderBats next year.
I actually do kind of like Selena, but they have never used her properly, or for a decent stretch of time. The only media she has ever really held my attention in as a viable partner for Bruce was in Batman 2 and Gotham. The former because she is the only one as fucked up as he is, and they have chemistry, and Gotham because they sort of have that childhood friend thing to work off of in future years.
March isn't bad.
Even if toenails are forgotten.
Problem with her is that she's always seen as part of Batman/Catwoman relationship, while Batman has a lot of other women and if you remove Catwoman, he'll lose nothing. And of course, eternal status quo means she was and will always be thief. Bad times are ahead for Selina.
It's also the case of a question; what does a relationship have to offer either of them? Let's get right down to it, she is a thief and something of a femme fatale, but generally is rather comfortable living a normal life using her ill gotten gains.
Bruce is a IS Batman, to the point that Bruce Wayne is practically the disguise. He sleeps most of his days, attends meeting and does publicity stuff with a facade, and spends the rest of his time in the Batcave, on the rooftops, and occasionally hanging with the JL.
There would be no home life, and no romance outside nighttime jaunts. He would want her to stop stealing, and she would resent him trying to change her. Frankly, if you take away the occasional hot date, and their interplay as Batman and Catwoman, they fall apart.
She is an ex street kid/hooker/burglar, who loves to steal almost as much as the thrill of the chase, and spending her ill gotten gains. He is an obsessed detective who know practically every martial art, has terminal depression and yet an indomitable will, who won't let his mission rest for even a day, until it eventually kills him.
Outside their cat and mouse antics, there is nothing there.
Exactly. I'm not that big fan of BatCat
And what will happen now? Bruce is revived, becomes Batman again, Diana and Clark are conveniently broken up so WonderBats can happen. Or Bruce/reformed Talia. Maybe even that redhead survives, who knows.
And Selina? Solo play in her book? Hooking up with writer's selfinsert?
Ugh, I hate it, but I don't think they will keep Supes and Wondy apart for long, not after they made the gambler of a fresh start where he isn't with Lois. That was too big of a change to just retcon away, unless it has been a really unpopular choice. I wouldn't know. I never gave the Nu52 more than a glance, and haven't bothered to keep up much except for bits of discussion that leaked into BvS threads.
I'll admit I like WonderBats, and the trailer does suggest there will be something, but I'm not sure it would actually leak over to the comics. Little ever does. Status quo and all that.
But who knows? I never saw Lois and Clark breaking up for Clark and Diana. So what do I know.
>what does a relationship have to offer either of them?
Selina likes living a life of luxury, something Bruce can offer her. They're both insanely attractive, in prime physical shape, and are attracted to each other. They share their nocturnal sleep schedules. They better each other; Bruce inspires her to be a force for good, Selina shows him how to enjoy himself every once in a while and not take himself too seriously.
>He would want her to stop stealing, and she would resent him trying to change her
Not true, he is willing to tolerate it as long as she steals from those who don't need it. He's even got her to steal shit for him before. She also doesn't hate that he tries to reform her, it shows he cares, but she's just as stubborn as he is.
She's a street urchin who never had anything as a child, he's a trust-fund baby. They both suffered as children, but in different ways. It's a good dichotomy, and they tend to bring out the best in each other.
Man, that is a pretty... open Bruce.
>Selina likes living a life of luxury, something Bruce can offer her.
True, except, she doesn't need it offered. It's something she has taken for herself well enough, and enjoys taking.
>They're both insanely attractive, in prime physical shape, and are attracted to each other.
You just described most healthy celebrity couples. And they usually work out so well.
>They share their nocturnal sleep schedules.
So do many superheroes. And so do insomniacs like me. Doesn't make me a good match for a Cat burglar.
>They better each other; Bruce inspires her to be a force for good, Selina shows him how to enjoy himself every once in a while and not take himself too seriously.
So they have the basis for a good friendship. Always a good start. Except, I would query the latter point, as getting Bruce to crack a smile is a challenge. He is far too damaged for 'fun'.
>Not true, he is willing to tolerate it as long as she steals from those who don't need it.
That's just out of character, frankly, and a concession to make them fit.
>She's a street urchin who never had anything as a child, he's a trust-fund baby. They both suffered as children, but in different ways. It's a good dichotomy, and they tend to bring out the best in each other
A fair point, but it doesn't make them good romantic partners.
The way they live their lives, and like to live their lives, are still very different.
One true Catwoman pairing coming through.
Search your feelings.
Hey there, my name's Selina. I'm a streetwise, devil-may-care, thief with a laidback but serious attitude! Are you the same age as me? I'll call you 'kid' cause I'm way more mature than you. I'm only a little girl but I'm in the big boys club and I call the shots in the top gangster's hideout in the city.
You're probably wondering, how did I survive so long on my own in the most dangerous city in America? Well I got PLUCK and SASS and SPUNK so no one's ever gonna hold me back or hurt me, girlfriend. I'm just that good.
When all you do is look out for number one, everybody loves you and everything goes your way!
They flirted in Gotham City Sirens and were together in Kingdom Come, too. There's a few other stories here and there.
Their interactions are always fun, though, because of how sarcastic the two of them are, and also the fact that they aren't (usually) bad people, just driven to crime by necessity or compulsion.
Plus, the only logical endpoint for Bruce is dying alone, let's all just accept that.
How creepy Nigma is is usually dependent on the writer. In When In Rome, he's a creep.
Gotham City Sirens
Bat and the Cat
Guardian of Gotham
Hush/Heart of Hush/House of Hush
When in Rome
Long Halloween/Dark Victory
Birds of Prey: Catwoman and Oracle
Trail of the Gun
Winick's run is also a guilty pleasure of mine
Batman Returns Selina has the best chemistry with Bruce
They've fought like 10 times already I think cheetahs only won once
You're fucking delusional. DC is shit when it comes to synergy. Even if they do ship them in the comics (which is unlikely) they won't follow suit in the comics just because of what the fuck the movies are doing.
Yeah, and I don't think it has ever really been topped. But then, i might be biased, as i grew up with the Burton films, and because of it I don't even really dislike Forever and &Robin (though I only really consider the first two as having any soul as an adult).
I think Gotham edition Bruce and Selena certainly have young love chemistry that could play out well when they grow up, but we won't get to see that, so they really don't count.
Rises was utter shit.
No the only actresses in Hollywood are 7/10s that look more like girls than women like Selina's portrayal in comics
She's a 2d girl I don't even think there's a porn star out there that looks like her
Anyone with the face and the acting chops has a waif body.
No one as hot as Selina would be in porn.
She is 2D or you find someone obscenely hot in your personal life, I can't even find models that look like her.
I think Antje Traue could pull it off, she might be a biiiit too masculine though.
What the fuck is she doing here.
I remember reading article on MarySue saying some bullshit that on this cover diamonds are representing cumshot and frankly, before I thought this was retarded but in hindsight, I still have no idea what is a practical or artistic reason for what the fuck is she doing here.
1.) Its a fucking pin up!, What does practicality have anything to do with it?
2.) She just robbed that building and is relaxing outside as she knows she will not be found on that ledge.
>Not only Robin and Gorden are dead in BvS, but Selina is also dead.
How would you feel?
Carla Gugino for Affleck's take on Catwoman!
Mob boss Catwoman
Yeah, it's Firefly.
She's dumping the diamonds out because she doesn't care about the money anymore, she's stealing for the fun of it. There's a ton of reasons she could be lying on the ledge.
It's meant to be sexy anyways.
And this is where my Catwoman-related pictures end. Help fellow anon.
Or perhaps not. I have few covers from her comic.
I wonder what's in Catwoman's bubble, I googled and found nothing.
The Batman/Catwoman thing really doesn't work without something like in the last dark night film. A cataclysm event that takes away the role both of them had in their little ecosystem. In terms of personality, I think they form a pretty good dichotomy, but it's not a pairing that really works with the status quo at all. More like "she flirts with him because he's dark and brooding and she finds it amusing."
Is Catwoman a buttslut? She seems like she would be a buttslut.
I agree. I don't like the Ba/Cat relationship as anything more than just a hook up. I hate when DC tries to make it a "Peter Parker/Mary Jane" OR Lois and Clark type of romance. It's stupid and doesn't work for either of their characters.
But that requires menial lab...
Did I ever tell you that boobs pressed against wall are my fetish?
Read that story in Batman/Superman when she corrupted amnesiac Superman for shit and giggles? Iirc, Lois punched her or something.
Then I can warm them.
I have no face for this.
I kind of agree, but the thing about both Bruce and Selina is that neither of them could ever really "settle down" with anyone. They both pull each other into the temptation of something that is so drastically different from their comfort zone that the eternal "will they won't they" actually works here imho.
Just you wait until Damian starts putting up Bruce with reformed Talia.
I have no idea, now that you mention it.
People like Damian and want little happy family?
>Catwoman vs Squirrel Girl
Comic Vine's VS threads are weird.
I don't think it's PURELY physical. I think she enjoys the change of pace mentally, too. Even when he means well Bruce can fuck everything up because he's just so socially stunted. Clark is much more well-adjusted.
Reminder that this happened later that same month. Selina you slut...
She's now canonically gay, a mob boss for some god forsaken reason, fucking the random asian girl who decided to be catwoman or the local thief in her stead, and has no interest in batman.
Oh an audrey hepburn was average looking as fuck and built like a plank, so they should really find a hotter chick to copy.
Every other chick in comics is built like that. Even the RARGH ME HATE MEN ME WISH ME WAS BORN WITH PENIS super lesbians are drawn like that.
The face and the everything else has to be hot too.
And she ain't hot no more. He'll she not even fun anymore and that's the real damned shame.
Hear that crack? It's her back.
Remember people yelling RAPE after Joker did stuff to Catwoman?
No tits this time. I'll flagellant myself later.
Dude, I like short hair. The problem is...Audrey hepburn is exceedingly average looking if not a bit below.
There are HUNDREDS of hot dark haired women with the right kind of body and personality in hollywoods past to copy. Why her?
She's still gonna be painted as the ball buster dyke cat themed mob boss with a thing for underage asian girls no matter how many dicks they have her hop on and how hot they make her look.
Gonna take at least 5 years of them trying to reinstate her former status quo before that goes away and it's still going to be a thing that is going to be brought up.
It's going to be a full half decade before it can be completely ignored.
A full decade or another crisis type event before anyone can say that it didn't happen.
And going full gay, not just kinda bi, or questioning, or doing it to get a rise out someone...
That's permanent. You go gay in media like that and you stay gay. I don't care how much you wave the bi/pan flag.
Nocenti didn't include anything gay in her run unless you count Joker being gay for Batman. You're thinking of Valentine.
Slightly stronger and hell of a lot faster. Like needs the flash to back her up if she gets really frisky.
Cheetah's not one of a billion of the bastards of a god. She's the living avatar of a blood thirsty god of death and murder and hunting.
I really like the idea of Catwoman still having her old cowl which has a mask while also having the goggles.
I feel like you've got a really negative and biased view of Bruce. The guy has a sense of humor, it's just subtle. Read stuff like JLI, his adventures with Superman and with Dick Grayson, and you'll see him let his real self shine through a little. He is a lot less broken than you think he is, his self control just means he doesn't let the facade drop often except when he's around people he's very comfortable with.
And Bruce letting Selina steal isn't as big a deal as you make it out to be, Bruce hates violent crime and Selina is a cat burglar. She doesn't hurt people, just takes their shit. When she restricts her thefts to the well off, which she did even without Bruce's influence he has no reason to mind, especially when he's got actual murderers to deal with.
This she needs to come back as some meta Catwoman
Why is Iron Fist there?
She was also the most fun character to play as, I can't believe you can't free-roam as her in AK.
There's more to Batman than Snyder's and Johns' renditions of the character, which many people do not like.
I wanna lick the sweat off of her face...
I know you're being facetious, but I'm pretty sure that guy is some lame D-lister named Searchlight or something.