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How high is MCU Cap on the Power Level chart now?

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How high is MCU Cap on the Power Level chart now?
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post more chris evans please
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He's still the strongest of the weaker members on the Avengers roster.
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>>77727673
So higher than Thor, lesser than black widow.
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I haven't watched anything since Avengers I. Did something happen to him to increase his strength, or is MCU cap just always that strong?

Like, the latest trailer had him punch Iron Man. It didn't look forceful enough to be, like, devastating, but being strong enough to have punching Iron Man's suit even be a sensible thing to do is kind of like, what
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>>77727641
What is this exercise called again /fit/?
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>>77727641
Pure Muscle Strength Listing:
1. Hulk
2. Thor
3. Vision?
4. Quicksilver?
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5. Capt
6. Iron Man
7. Black Widow
8. Falcon & Hawkeye
9. Scarlet Witch
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>>77727712
Crossfit
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>>77727690

He has always been absurdly powerful, there just haven't been a bunch of instances to showcase his upper limits.
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>>77727641
Not very high. Jessica Jones could do that.
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>>77727716
IM isnt strong in the MCU without the suit
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>>77727712
Helicopter Pull-Downs. Really tears up your lats.
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>>77727745
Jessica Jones' strength is inconsistent. She can bend steel bars but sometimes regular humans give her trouble.
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>>77727758
I was implying he had the suit. Tony Stark is just a normal person. So he's not even on the list. Maybe just above SW. Because he is a man.
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>>77727690
The Russos are powerlevelfags. Cap is supposed to be peak human but he's around Spidey tier now.
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>>77727641
My take:

>Vision
>Thor=Hulk
>Scarlet Witch
>Iron Man
>War Machine
>Ant-Man
>Groot
>Quicksilver
>Captain America=Drax
>Luke Cage=Jessica Jones
>Gamora=Hawkeye=Falcon
>Black Widow
>Star-Lord=Rocket Raccoon
>Daredevil

Keep in mind this accounts for skills+powers+gear. Cap is physically weaker than Jessica, but not by enough to make up for his much sharper fighting skills.
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>>77727787
idk, there was a comic where Daredevil managed to defeat Iron Man in his armor, but then unarmored Tony Stark took DD down almost effortlessly

so post-Extremis, it seems like Tony Stark is actually more powerful outside of the armor, at least in a straight-up melee brawl
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>>77727809
I'd say Thor>Hulk>Vision instead
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>>77727792
>peak human

There goes that stupid term again.
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>>77727787
With the suit he's definitely stronger than Cap.

In terms of pure physical power I think it's:

1. Hulk
2. Thor
3. Vision
4 & 5. Iron Man & War Machine
6. Cap
7. Quicksilver
Then all the normies.
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>>77727809
Nah, Jessica is stronger than Luke, not by much but enough that it's noticeable, just WAY less durable.
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>>77727843
Well he is supposed to be. He's functionally superhuman at this point so really who cares.
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>>77727852
His durability makes them about even.
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>>77727648
Got you senpai.
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>>77727782
So? I bet regular humans give you trouble too.
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>>77727905
Depending on if she's actually able to fly or not I'd even say Luke is stronger power level wise, being able to tank blowing up his bar and shit like that is quite handy.
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>>77727905
Nah, the durability makes parity with Jess' flight capability, she comes out on top in both 616 and MCU.
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MCU Cap will be Hulk jumping and flipping over tanks by the time Infinity War is over, mark my fucking words.
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I don't think that the bar he's holding on to can take the pull of the helicopter.
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>>77727792
The movies are partly inspired by the ultimate universe were he was much stronger, even capable of stalling the hulk for a while
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I hate that people don't understand what peak human is

Cap isn't at the power level of some guy with his body type he's at the peak strength of a human being without all the health downsides that come with it as well as insane stamina and recuperation abilities. Look at a worlds Strongest man competition then Usain Bolt then Micheal Phelps take all of those put them at the peak of their careers then roll them together in the best way possible and throw in a few weirdos with abnormally good senses on top then take all that and bump it up a bit because marvel peak human is higher than real world peak human.
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>>77728351

So basically take every real life example of human greatness, combine it, then throw away those examples in favor of fictional values that greatly exceed those?

If he's better than every naturally born Marvel human (aside from freak intelligence) at everything +5 or so, doesn't that make him superhuman by default?
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>>77728561
No. Just Imagine if some person had every weird ability that was shown in Stan Lee's Superhumans.
And was also able to hold every physical fitness record in the world.
That's Steve
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>>77728351

Also, one thing people seem to forget is that Cap pretty much has unlimited stamina.
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>>77728561
the whole point of the "super" label is to describe something that humans LITERALLY can not do like fly. If a human can physically do it, Cap can.
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>>77728809
>super-
>Word Origin
>1.
>a prefix occurring originally in loanwords from Latin, with the basic meaning “above, beyond.” Words formed with super-, have the following general senses: “to place or be placed above or over” ( superimpose; supersede), “a thing placed over or added to another” ( superscript; superstructure; supertax), “situated over” ( superficial; superlunary) and, more figuratively, “an individual, thing, or property that exceeds customary norms or levels” ( superalloy; superconductivity; superman; superstar), “an individual or thing larger, more powerful, or with wider application than others of its kind” ( supercomputer; superhighway; superpower; supertanker), “exceeding the norms or limits of a given class” ( superhuman; superplastic), “having the specified property to a great or excessive degree” ( supercritical; superfine; supersensitive), “to subject to (a physical process) to an extreme degree or in an unusual way” ( supercharge; supercool; supersaturate), “a category that embraces a number of lesser items of the specified kind” ( superfamily; supergalaxy), “a chemical compound with a higher proportion than usual of a given constituent” ( superphosphate).
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>>77727843
Are you the retard that keeps saying he can trow a bike?
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>>77728893
yes

beyond human m8

it's not hard
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>>77727809
>Daredevil on the bottom
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>>77728561
>>77728809
Cap, standard comic canon at least, is an aggregate superhuman. No individual thing he does is superhuman, but the fact he can do them all is superhuman.
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>>77727641
Pretty sure MCU Cap throwing a motorcycle like it's nothing and surviving jumping off a building without any significant damage already puts him in the superhuman level.

Stopping a helicopter is not that far fetched in the movies.
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>>77727809
Luke Cage is more durable than Cap.

Or at least his skin is.
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>>77727809
I'd put Scarlet Witch over Thor and Hulk, since she already managed to incapacitate them in AoU.
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>>77729361
well yeah, I don't think anyone thinks otherwise.

the training alone would conflict in his goals. there is a reason olympic weightlighters don't look like olympic sprinters.
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>>77729364
he sruvived because he has a shield that absorbed most of the impact.

a better feat is when he lifts that steel girder off Bucky. thats a multiton strength feat.
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>>77729400
thats through surprise and quicksilver assists.

in a straight fight, she gets annihilated by both.
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>>77729407
Yeah, forgot about that part.

He got a significant power up in TWS. Not that I mind, since it was very exciting to see him fighting like a pro and being capable for once in the movies.
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>>77729350
Well, yeah. He barely scrapes by against normal thugs.
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>>77729364
It's not particularly far fetched for real life maybe.
https://youtu.be/pqC-FlRePYc
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>>77729407
>he sruvived because he has a shield that absorbed most of the impact.
That doesn't really make sense. Then again, nothing about his shield makes sense. It absorbs all kinetic energy, except when it doesn't.
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Cap has just been raking in XP.

He saved the world 4 times. Of course, he's high level.
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>>77729487
It can reflect iron man's laser beams because they are such good friends.
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>>77729506
His shield is a legendary item, Tony's suits are just rares and epics.
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>>77729364
>Pretty sure MCU Cap throwing a motorcycle like it's nothing

God... This retard again.
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>>77729713
not the guy you're replying to, but I used to work on motorbikes
those fuckers are heavier than you think, especially things like harley's or touring bikes
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>>77730197
The bike was on movement, it's called momentum.
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>>77730239
You really think someone not superhuman would throw it with that much ease? He doesn't even break a sweat.
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>>77730340
MCU Daredevil could do that.

>>77727641
Superhuman

>>77730239
not superhuman
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>>77730239
you don't seem to have a basic understanding of physics, please don't use words like momentum, they're just a bit too hard for you for now.
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>>77730239
Here it's not on movement though.
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>>77730239
Right, momentum. Try to lift a motorcycle behind your back. The bike only have forward momentum.
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>>77730406
>props
>>77730413
I don't have to try, i'm not peak human, he is, and he can lift around a ton. And that's not considered superhuman in that universe.
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>>77730357
>MCU Daredevil could do that

So you're retarded. Gotcha.
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>>77727690
he's op is Cap1
even quicker in cap2
insanely good endurance is AoU
hes the freaking stronk
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>>77730439
>And that's not considered superhuman in that universe
According to what, you? lol
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>>77727782
I put that down to her not wanting to accidently hurt someone and not knowing how to fight.
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>>77730239
If you wanna get scientific, that throw could only work through Cap suddenly making himself heavier than the bike.

It's absolutely not even close to something a human could do.
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Would Ultron have won if he had fully uploaded himself into Vision's body without being interrupted?
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>>77730357
>MCU Daredevil could do that.
The biggest feat of strength MCU Daredevil showed was throwing a microwave across a room.
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>>77730497
WELL MAYBE IT WAS A HEAVY MICROWAVE
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Are we for real arguing whether MCU Cap is superhuman.

He kicks people so hard they fly across rooms. Dude is clearly superhuman.
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I'm more inspired by the architect who designed the building, to be honest. The real hero in this scene is not cap, but the bar.
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>>77730491
ultron is fucking powerfull
+ vision powers and body

NO STRINGS CONTROL ME!
NO CHAINS WILL HOLD MY POWER!
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>>77730489
One of the problems is that his legs are not even than heavy, even if you say "he impulse himself so fast that his body mass increases" most of his weight is still tied to the bike.
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>>77730515
>He kicks people so hard they fly across rooms. Dude is clearly superhuman.
So, ozymandias was superhuman too?
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>>77730542
When I was watching the movie I couldn't help but cheer for Ultron to win.
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>>77730558
>>77730542
>>77730491
based on ultron's official powergrid

with vision powers and body his both his intelligence and fighting skills would go tier 6. his speed would go up to 4 and the rest would max out
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>>77730615
Could he solo the Avengers without the fodder bots?
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>>77730557
Nigga caught a bullet
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>>77730516
It's because spider-man used his web slingers to reinforce it.
Throughout the entire movie spider-man is just off-screen helping move the plot forward, never showing up until the very last scene.
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>>77730622
I dont think so. The Avengers work together.
but they would probably have to back off and plan a gimmick with Iron Man, Shield stuff and one of the Infinity gems
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>>77730622
Vision probably could, so yes.
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>>77730685
he is talking about ultron with vision powers and body, so don't count vision on that fight
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>>77730705
You may wanna re-read both posts. He asked if Ultron in Vision's body could solo the Avengers, and I said yes.
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>>77730515
I love his signature kick.

That shit looked like it hurt really bad in WS. Wouldn't be surprised if most of those HYDRA agents died from it.
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>>77730439
Even if it's a prop bike, he's still lifting three people and the prop for a total weight of about 200kg with the centre of gravity over one of his arms. Lifting a 200kg object over your head with one arm and using the other just to balance it is no mean feat. If he can do that, he can probably toss a motorcycle.
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>>77730728
>OOOH YEAH! YOU WAS TALKING ALL THAT GOOD SHIT A SECOND AGO, BUT THEN YOU GOT KICKED IN YO CHEST!
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>>77730651
>we keep seeing threads holding up props, helping out, keep thinking it's shitty movie making and stuff they forgot to remove in post-production.
>turns out it's spidey and his webs
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>>77730772
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>>77730728
Finally, punches and kicks with weight to them.

That shit looked so airy and fake in AoU.
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>>77730557
Ozymandias was functionally superhuman. He may not have downed any super soldier serum or been bitten by any radioactive spiders, but he could push his body to superhuman feats of physical prowess.

Cap is entirely superhuman in the MCU though. He pulls off shit that no human can.
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>>77727809
Quicksilver doesnt have super str.
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>>77730728
The fight scenes are probably what I'm most excited for in this movie.
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>>77730890
>He pulls off shit that no human can.
Bucky does that too.
In fact most action heroes do that.
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>>77730936
Bucky have a super arm.
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>>77730919
Same, except that lucha shit BW pulls. That Iron Man beat down had me at full mast.
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Isn't MCU Cap's strength level based on Ultimate Cap's, who is much stronger that 616 Cap?
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>>77730955
Also a copy of the formula
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>>77730896
He tears apart Ultron bots with his bare hands.

And even without super strength, super speed makes him extremely powerful. Or, eh, made.
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>>77730823
Shoop.

I would know. I've seen many shoops in my day.
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I would love to see Vision take Thors hammer and beat him senseless with it while he cries for his father
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Why doesn't Quicksilver's fist smash into pieces when he punches robots in AoU at high speed?

Try throwing a beer bottle at a metal wall.
The faster you throw it, the harder it's going to smash into pieces.
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>>77727852
>Jessica is stronger than Luke

Did you miss the scene where she was trying to hold Luke back and failing completely?

Or where Luke overpowered her with relative ease?

Jessica is barely stronger than a baseline human. Luke could fucking lift cars and shit.
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>>77731044
Duuuuuude speedforce lmao
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>>77731044
He's got some kind of super-strength. He'd need at least SOME superhuman durability to survive moving at those speeds at all.
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>>77731061
And then she beat the shit out of him and knocked him 3 times. What an idiot, way stronger and invulnerable and get beaten anyway.

Most people agree that she's actually slightly stronger.
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>>77730357
>not superhuman
The front of the car literally got ripped in half from that bike throw
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>>77727825
Thor is, by no means, on par with Hulk.
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>>77729407
Thats not how physics works.
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>>77731061
>Luke could fucking lift cars and shit.
So could Jessica. On episode 1, even.
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>>77731097
Not that far away tho, he wrestled him with some success in Avengers.
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>>77731097
Physically maybe, but when has Hulk showed as much destructive capability as when Thor destroyed the levitating city?
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>>77731099
Tell that to the shield with unknown and convenient properties.
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>>77731140
Sure i agree with that. They're not equals is all I'm saying.
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>>77731140
He was also being mindful that he was on a flying ship, and didn't want to kill him either.
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>>77731140
hulk was just toying with him
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>>77727792
What does peak human mean? I mean Batman is supposedly at peak human even though hes had no super steroids.
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>>77731099
And physics don't work that way. Like this,
>>77731096
no way a 300 kilos bike can do that kind of damage, as someone said, it doesnt matter how strong he is, the only way to lift the bike was by being heavier than the motorcycle
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>>77731222
>Batman is supposedly at peak human
No he isn't and to my knowledge, has never been.

He's the world's smartest detective, no the world's strongest human.
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You know, I love threads like these.

I'm too weak to go out anymore and most of my friends and family have stopped visiting me (I can't blame them) so a thread making me laugh this hard is really great.

This is the /co/ I first started visiting back in 2005, right here, in threads like this.

/co/ is still here, you guys some reminding sometimes.

(bonus points for >>77729511 and >>77731155)
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>>77731222
>I mean Batman is supposedly at peak human even though hes had no super steroids.

He has perfect genetics (i don't know what it means), a special perfect diet (something in the lines of black panther), and like 3 clear powerups.

Peak humans means Superhuman but not officianlly superhuman. Nothing more, usually the strenght limit is around one ton, like 3 times stronger than our universe strongest men. Is not a hard line, is a guideline for the "peak", all other human characters most be under that line. And anything that character can't do is superhuman.
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>>77731158
I agree.

>>77731210
Hulk was winning, but he was also trying.
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>>77731263
>I'm too weak to go out anymore

RIP anon
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>>77731252
Your knowledge is shit. And he has been peak human since before Captain America existed. Also, Cassandra cain is Peak human but that doesnt mean she is stronger than batman, all peak humans have personal limits. Batman is smarter than Steve, but steve does have his mind developed to absolute PERSONAL perfection.
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Slade is peak human.
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>>77731296
Yeah, I doubt I'm going to make it this movie or Doctor Strange.
My doctor is still insisting I'll make it to June, but I really don't believe him anymore.
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>>77731263
You alright brah?
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>>77731359
>a /co/mrade will die in the next year
I didn't come to this thread to feel.
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Also, who here is concerned that BP might not pack as much of technological "punch" as he's typically depicted as having?

I thought EMH did it perfectly, but I wonder if they managed to translate that.
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>>77731252
>>77731277
Peak human means Olympic level tier strength, speed and reactions. Like a human...at its peak.

Cap should be slightly above peak human. Batman is peak human.
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>>77731368
>>77731380

I've seen a lot of /co/mrades disappear over the years.

All will be well
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>>77731222

'Peak human' supposedly that you reach all humanly achievable limits through natural or unnatural means. Funnily enough, that means Saitama from OPM is 'peak human'.

Batman is 'peak' in that he's achieved his maximum limit based on his genes and training. There are still naturally born people that are faster than him (Cass), more agile (Dick), smarter (Tim) etc.. Captain America will always be better than any naturally born human in any aspect that doesn't count as freak super intelligence.
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>>77731263
>This is the /co/ I first started visiting back in 2005, right here
Makes sense, since most of us were forced out.
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>>77731359
>Tripfag fishing for sympathy

Big surprise there.
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>>77727641
This is the kind of shit you'd see pull offin James Bond, so I can accept it.
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MCU Caps power level increases every time someone threatens FREEDOM
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Cap managed to hold his own against Ultron for like, five minutes. That alone should be evidence that he's superhuman.

At the end of TWS, Cap gets shot three times, gets the shit beaten out of him by Bucky, then falls a thousand feet and survives.
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>>77731457
>Peak human means Olympic level tier strength, speed and reactions. Like a human...at its peak.

Nope, that's olympic level, Nightwing and Daredevil are Olympic level, Peak human means faster than the fastest olympic runner and stronger than any strongman.
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>>77731630
It's pretty clear he is based on Ultimate cap, the guy was literally getting taller from ultimates to ultimates 2
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>>77731457
Cap is peak human in that he's Olympic level strength AND agility, which are normally impossible to have at the same time. This anon put it best:
>>77729361

Batman isn't the best at any one category, but as good as possible in as many crime-fighting-relevant fields as possible. He's a more "realistic" peak human.
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>>77731584
This is the /co/ I first started visiting, right here.
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>>77729361
>no individual thing he does is superhuman
>clears 30 foot jumps in a single bound
>can break 55mph in a dead run under duress
>naturally calculates nearly impossible trajectories in his head, right down to ricocheting bullets back to his attackers
>makes paradrops without the need of a parachute
>shreds armored vehicles with shield throws

The guy has been superhuman for a while.
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>>77731794
And not a single thing there is superhuman in that universe.
Also, the shield feats belong to the shield. not to steve.
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>>77731814
>And not a single thing there is superhuman in that universe.

When other non-metas can't replicate those feats? They are.

>Also, the shield feats belong to the shield. not to steve.

Wolverine's claws can theoretically cut through anything, he still requires the requisite amount of force to actually do that. He's gotten into fights with supers that can tank his strikes with only surface-level cuts like Thor and Hulk.
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>>77729291

Are you the retard that thinks casually throwing a full grown man several yards with one hand while sitting isn't a low level super human feat?
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>>77731896
>Wolverine's claws can theoretically cut through anything
That's not how the shield work and you know it. The shield in practice is a magical artifact.

>>77731896
>When other non-metas can't replicate those feats? They are.
But they can. your generic ninja can do most of that stuff in comics, i get it, you are a fanboy, but Steve rogers is not superhuman, he has been in the past, but he is usually not, Also, stop mixing different versions of the character, Ultimate Cap (actual superhuman), 616, and MCU are different, and have different habilities.
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Strength (=/= power):
Hulk
Thor
Vision
Cap
Iron Man
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Everyone Else
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>>77732040
>That's not how the shield work and you know it. The shield in practice is a magical artifact.

Of course the shield is magical you fucking clod, it just doesn't give him incredible cutting power without the required muscle. Just like Wolverine's claws, there is a level of strength needed to achieve those feats with his tools, otherwise you get any jackass off the street that can throw his shield doing the exact same thing, but they don't.

>But they can. your generic ninja can do most of that stuff in comics

Which ones?

>Steve rogers is not superhuman, he has been in the past, but he is usually not, Also, stop mixing different versions of the character, Ultimate Cap (actual superhuman), 616, and MCU are different, and have different habilities.

All of those feats I've outlined are from 616 Cap, idiot.
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>>77732040
>talking about MCU Cap
>your generic ninja can do most of that stuff in comics
>Steve rogers is not superhuman, he has been in the past
>stop mixing different versions of the character, Ultimate Cap (actual superhuman), 616, and MCU
You seem a tad bit confused.
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>>77732211
No, they are not
>makes paradrops without the need of a parachute
That's ultimate and mcu, 616 has jumped from 60 meters several times, he has landed on his fists after jumping several meters but that does not counts as "paradrop". And if he lands on his shield it doesnt count. The shield doesnt follow any logic, and steve cant destroy a tank with a metal road, only with the shield. He can't lift more than one ton, deal with it.
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>>77731445
I think they're gonna make him have gadgets that are on par with Tony's but smaller, so that way Tony can still be the "most technologically advanced" of the bunch because he has his entire armor to fill with gadgets, while BP will just make things that are more advanced, but smaller and won't focus as much on actually having a suit of armor.
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People seem to be forgetting the fact that regular humans, in our universe, have been able to lift cars under great stress and adrenaline bursts.
Like parents with kids trapped under cars, they can lift the entire car high enough to get the kid to safety.

Now imagine Cap being able to do this all the time, I'm sure he couldn't lift a car for hours, but if it required he could pump enough adrenaline to lift it and probably toss it away.
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>>77727648
Only because I'm literally watching this right now.
Really doesn't deserve the flak it gets.
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>>77732416
Different universe have different rules, what is superhuman here is not superhuman in the Marvel universe. It's just another human limit.
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>>77727641
Will cap age gracefully?
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>>77732475
What is it?
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>>77731061
this is because of just how heavy Luke is, his increased strength plus massive weight made her incapable of stopping him from walking forward.

and not to mention she had not enough friction to do it.
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>>77732546
Fantastic Four: Silver Surfer.
I know it doesn't exactly have good scores, or whatever, but I'm liking it.
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>>77731445
>that BP wank when he shows up and singlehandedly wreks the whole team
hope that happens in film though
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>>77730239
All he really did was lift it a few feet into the air and let momentum do the rest.
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So Spidey is set to appear right? Moneys on who will he job to in his Tonysuit?
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>>77732530
>Wonder Woman
>Not having a classy mustache
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>>77732640
For me is an impressive feat of aguility and aim.
>>77732664
>batman getting old
>not dying
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>>77732530
He fought in WW2, I'd say he've aged gracefully.
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I wish we had a team of nerds here that could estimate power levels based on forces.

So like, how much force is a helicopter using to take off? That would be how strong Cap is.

How heavy is Jessica Jones and how much force would it have taken to throw her through a wall?
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>>77732345
>No, they are not

Nice counter, idiot.

>616 has jumped from 60 meters several times

And ended up crushing a car without breaking stride in one of those instances.

>he has landed on his fists after jumping several meters but that does not counts as "paradrop"

He was thrown into into John Steel by War Machine after he had already dropped from a plane, that's not "after jumping several meters".

>And if he lands on his shield it doesnt count.

I never brought up an instance where he did.

>The shield doesnt follow any logic, and steve cant destroy a tank with a metal road, only with the shield.

It's his strength combined with the shield's properties. The shield isn't a magical "can cut anything" tool that any jackass can pull off, it can only do that when it has the required force behind it, otherwise he'll be cutting heads and other body parts off whenever he hits someone with the edge.

>He can't lift more than one ton, deal with it.

Except in the instances where it would require the strength needed to accomplish any of his more impressive accomplishments?
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>>77727716
There is no way that Cap is stronger than the Iron Man armor
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>>77733149
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>>77732640

Yep, he just pulled a nearly 700 lb machine off the ground and flung it over his head without leverage. No super strength there.
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>>77727641
Look at those forearms
Fuckin juicy brah
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>>77728561
>then throw away those examples in favor of fictional values that greatly exceed those?
this anon gets it

>>77728351
Even 616 cap is almost twice as fast as Usain Bolt (top speed 27 mph, 616 cap outruns a 50 mph bird and a 60 mph cheetah)

Cap isn't peak human like Hawkeye is a peak human for accuracy. Hawkeye is peak for humans today. Cap is peak human for all time, he's the limit of human genetics. The super soldier serum was less like steroids and more like concentrated eugenics experiments. You'd have to selectively breed the best athletes for decades if not centuries to naturally make a Captain America level human.
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>>77727641

Russo's have said that that's Cap getting like an adrenaline boost, they used the ole "Mom lifts a car off her baby" example
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>>77731222
According to Deathbattle, it means he can bench 1000lbs.
The idea of a peak human is beyond bullshit because to be the absolute strongest a man can be, you need to have a diet with so many calories and protein it's not even funny. You have to slam those muscles every single day. More than anything, you have to be sedentary. Any cardio will kill those muscles and make you puny again. You will never see Mr. Olympia run a mile because he's trained his body toward fast-twitch muscles, left his heart to wither away, and altered how his muscles use energy. On the flip side, being a runner--and by runner, I mean someone who runs 20 miles at a time, not someone who sprints--will eat away all their muscle. The constant force exerted on the bones in their legs will destroy them. They'll have trained their body to grow more slow-twitch muscles, which will keep them locked into long activities as opposed to the fast-twitch quick and over ones.
To be a "peak human", you have to have the strength of one of those olympic powerlifters, the cardio of a marathonner, and the body of an actor. None of those things can exist in one body, so fuck Batman being peak human. Fuck anyone being peak human. It can't happen and it won't ever happen. Batman is jacked, but not peak. Cap is superhuman.
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>>77731661
Peak human means the best a human can be. The strongest, fastest, and so on, all bundled into one man. You win the Olympics by being the best in one category, be it strength, or by winning a marathon in other places. Being a peak human doesn't make you stronger than an Olympian since they're already as strong as it gets.
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>>77727782
It's not inconsistent at all.

You're confusing super strength with invincibility.
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>>77727809
>Hulk not above Thor
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>>77732846
>So like, how much force is a helicopter using to take off? That would be how strong Cap is.

Pretty small, at takeoff, the lift less the mass is on the order of 10s of kgs. More can be generated but a small helo like that would be seriously perturbed by the hundreds of kilos Cap can exert. It's not much more far fetched than throwing a motorcycle.
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>>77732388
All it takes is for him to use something something and Stark to go "WTF," I believe that'd get the point across, but if they do >>77732616 I believe that'd be a more resounding setup for his upcoming solo film.

Also, I think people tend to underestimate what a "perfect" human might be capable of, but I suspect Cap has always been just a bit beyond that.

On a personal note: When I was a kid, I always loved the idea of beating down people with a shield, it just seemed so much more "badass" to slam a shield into people's faces than going at them with weapons.

We've seen it a few times, but its something I always hoped to see more of in every film with Cap in it. (Not striking them with the rim of the shield, but actually bashing the face of the shield against people)
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>>77733214
I want MCU Cap to hold me in his big arms.
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>>77733512
>On a personal note: When I was a kid, I always loved the idea of beating down people with a shield, it just seemed so much more "badass" to slam a shield into people's faces than going at them with weapons.

The problem is that it spreads the force over a wide area. You'd fracture a nose but you're never going to achieve the damage of knuckleduster or even a fist.
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>>77733566
Unless, you know, when he charges at someone.

Yes, that game made me love that idea so much.
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>>77733594
That's fair but you're still going to do more damage by charging at someone with knuckledusters. The shield is useful for freight training a group of people out of the way while limiting harm to yourself but if you want to take someone down, you're better off with a melee weapon. Putting some sort of pneumatic ram in the front to add force would be a neat idea, Stark the Elder should have put his foot down.
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>>77733512
He's a perfect human, but by comic book standards. He's stronger than every base human in the comics, who are already as strong as real life Olympians
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>>77731035
I'd like to see Thor come back and PUNCH THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYONE for killing Cap
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>>77733638
But... CHARGING STAR, though!
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>>77733673
>Thor choking Tony in the Iron Man suit
>Iron Man suit is metal
>Denting the metal enough to choke Tony
>Metal doesn't just dent back when you take the pressure off it
>When Thor lets go, the metal will still be dented and pressing into Tony's neck
>Thor literally just killed Tony with his own suit
What a fucking asshole
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>>77733729
>Implying Tony isn't just making choking noises to guilt Thor while he charges up for a chest shot.
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>>77733199
I didn't say he doesn't have super strength. I'm saying that "he picked up a motorcycle and threw it" is misleading. As it pertains to a demonstration of strength he merely picked it up.
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He's definitely stronger than Superman, that guy can barely snap someone's neck without hella exerting himself.
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>>77733157
>Tony and Rhodes both pulling Mjolnir with repulsor gloves
>Doesn't move
>Cap pulling on Mjonlir with raw strength
>Budges

Nah, I don't think so.
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>>77727716
>Black Widow
>More muscular strength than Falcon or Hawkeye (Have you seen their biceps)
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>>77733799
aaaaand I believe that's my cue to leave.

Fanboys on both camps can't help but be retarded and ruin things for others.
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>>77733881
Either bait or your a moron.
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>>77733881
That didn't have anything to do with raw strength tho
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>>77732530
Clark has to go full Santa Claus, light stubble or nothing for the beard.
I can't tolerate that trim.
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>>77733799
That was a kryptonian neck, not one of those cheap knock-off spinal columns produced on Earth.

Why did Earth steal the humoid form from Kyrpton anyway? Can't they design their own species instead of just copying species from other planets?
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>>77733881
>Cap pulling on Mjonlir with raw strength

If that were the case then he'd be able to fly by swinging his arms.
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>>77733935
Super jizz crossed through space and landed in a monkey 100k years ago after some kryptonian decided a quiet yellow sun was a good place to fap next to.
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>>77733729
I don't think he's actually trying to crush his neck, he's just lifting him by the neck which might cause strangulation through the noose effect but whatever the case Tony is breathless there because he just got slapped across an entire city, his systems were all completely fucked by magic lightning, there's fire everywhere, a god dude is way to close to his personal space and emasculating him and he probably peed a little.

Probably trying to gather what the fuck's going on since a bit ago during Civil War he was bi-winning.
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>>77732640
How many feet can you lift a motorcycle into the air?
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>>77733992
4
>tfw manlet
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>>77733991
>peed a little

You are now hearing 'Sir, I am detecting rising suit urine levels' in JARVIS's voice.
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>>77733892
>WOW STOP HAVING FUN WITH YOUR JOKES YOU GUYS

Just fuck off somewhere else you dumb tripfag
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>>77733992
see >>77733749
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>>77734034
The best (worst?) part is Tony tells Thor he can't fly to get a change of suit.
Thor tells him to walk.
Tony actually starts walking.
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>>77733992
That would be relevant if he is a supersoldier.
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>>77732647
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>>77731222

DC's peak human is different than Marvel's peak human.
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>>77731222
Ozymandias.
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>>77733354
>According to Deathbattle,

So you don't read comics, that's fine.
The rest of your post is beyond retarded. The DC and Marvel universe don't have the same rules as our universe, as simple as that.
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>>77734151
>'slosh'
>'slosh'
>'slosh'

>'JARVIS?'
>'Bilge pumps inoperative, sir'
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>>77731896
Wait. If Wolverine's claws are just Adamantium but Black Panther's sword is Virbranium + Adamantium does that mean with enough strength you could cut wolvie in half with the sword?
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>>77732530
nah
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>>77734281
Vibranium is inferior to adamantium.
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>>77727641
Batman can do it better.
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>>77734270
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>>77734294
Technically, that other anon is dead wrong about it coming down to sheer force but Vibranium is more versatile a material than Adamantium as Doom demonstrated.
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>>77734294
no its not, other way around
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>>77727641
I don't know why all you guys are so intent on seeing him as some kind of Superman, and why the Russos are obliging you so much. That's not the way Cap was traditionally in the comics, especially not the old Avengers comics. He even admitted he was the least powerful member of the team. His main ability was supposed to be his tenacity. That he could keep going, even when the odds were against him, and that he could be taken down but not out. If the guy can flip onto a helicarrier, catch himself with his SHIELD, then bounce it against the engines and flip off to destroy the thing, all in one smooth motion, how can we actually feel like the odds are against him, and he actually NEEDS that ability to persevere?
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>>77734281
Anti-metal can btfo adamantium
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>>77734390
>He cares about that gay BS in a powerlevel thread
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>>77734390
Well first of all as someone earlier said these scenes are just to show desperation Cap where he's doing less thinking and more just trying to stop something, secondly these scenes are precisely to show what happens when all those stunt theatrics can't stop the literal army of people trying to kill his friend so he has to persevere in the most hopeful way even when he knows the way he's doing so is hopeless.
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>>77732530
Why does Clark look like Obi-Wan?
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>>77727716
Bruh, the Iron Man suit lets him lift something like 20 tons
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>>77734752
>muscle strength
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>>77734259
That "according to deathbattle" was supposed to be a hit on them and the idea of a peak human. The rest of my post is perfectly sound. Physics may work a bit differently, but a human is a human through and through.
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>>77733940
>fly by swinging his arms

I didn't know I wanted this.

I now want old Steve to somehow get this strong and start flying around in his version of a "Falcon" getup, sans wings, and give Captain Falcon smug looks as he flies across the city while Wilson just looks on, completely bewildered.
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>>77734817
>Physics may work a bit differently, but a human is a human through and through.
But they are not, from having meta-genes, to living in a bigger or smaller planet, to be experiments from celestial being, to having been affected by cosmic rays, or experimenting on when they were homo habilis, blah blah bla. You are a retard if you believe batman is just a fit dude, we are talking about a character that can close his wounds using chi, melt ice just by being concentrated, can bend steal as if it were paper, and has a kicks stronger than a car crash.
Hell, Drago in Rocky had punches that were stronger than a shotgun, and rocky didnt got killed. And that is a "realistic" universe. The idea that "cardio would kill his gains" is just dumb.
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>>77731630
>MCU Caps power level increases every time someone threatens FREEDOM

This is so true.

Also is it just me or for everytime Bucky gets threatened Cap wrecks a wider area than usual?

In CATFA he takes down Hydra
In CATWS he takes down SHIELD
In CACW?
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>>77734845
Tony would be pretty pissed too.
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>>77734270
in the 616, Stark doesn't have a JARVIS AI until well after the movies came out.
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>>77734845
>>77735003
SOMEBODY CALL A DRAWFAG, SERIOUS BUSINESS!
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>>77730936
...Bucky is a superhuman too, dude.

Experimented on by Zola, remember? He's essentially got the same powerset as Steve, plus the metal arm.
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>>77735145
Why didn't Zola try to use his formula on himself instead of going full digital. Also, is there a backup Zola, in the time between the 70s and Winter Soldier data densities should have increased enough for every high ranking HYDRA agent to have a Zola phone.
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>>77735145
Nah, he is not superhuman, he is closer to the guys with the infinity serum, when cap died he was pretty clear that the shield was too heavy for him without the arm.
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>>77735222
I'm willing to bet nobody realized it had worked at the time of Zola's death. It took some time for Bucky to recovered, and he didn't seem to exhibit superhuman abilities until after the shock of his 'death'.
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>>77735296
Thanks.
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>>77735294
In the MCU, not in 616.

MCU Cap is stronker than 616 Cap too. He's a step or two below Ult Cap.
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>>77735316
Then yeah, and yes, MCU cap is superhuman and bucky too.
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>>77735145
The allies got to that lab in WWII
Just like with Cap, you can't just use the living specimen to reverse engineer the recipe
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>>77734773
In which case he should be below Hawkeye and Falcon.
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>>77731252
Batman is definitely at Peak Human Conditioning, I've even seem him listed as the perfect human, though I'm pretty sure it was from a wiki page. From what I know, Batman is as strong as Cap and a lot smarter. Running and jumping isn't something they would focus on with Batman, so I really have no clue how he preforms in those.

The term will differ between both companies, with Marvel probably making it seem like someone who is Peak Human is better just because of Cap.
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>>77727716
>scarlet witch that low
She soloed the entire team. The only person who she couldn't take down was Hawkeye and that was only because of whedons epic quips.
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>>77735451
>Batman is as strong as Cap
Top kek
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>>77735498
He is though. He has benched well over 2000lbs and I'm 50% sure there's a scan of him keeping a car from driving off with his grappling gun.
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>>77734387
per the comics.
vibranium is force, adamantium is durability.
if you want a blade thats cuts deep without losing its edge, you go ada. if you want an armor that doesn't kill your ribs when it takes a tank round, go vibra. adamantium doesnt break or scratch but it will bend when its thin. vibranium is vulnerable to damage that isnt caused by kinetic energy, like acid or heat. (which is why you can process it easier.)
in the movies Cap's Shield acts like it's comic book counterpart, which is a adamantium/vibranium alloy. plain vibranium shouldn't tank superlasers. OR stand up to a shot from Mjolnir.
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>>77735485
Muscle strength bruh, not threat capacity.
She's still a delicate flower.

Also why is Quickslav even rated that high?
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>>77735549
>doubling modern bench record without the mass increase
So Batman has superpowers now?
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>>77735451
>>77735549
'Peak human' in Cap's case does not mean what it means in Batman's case.

Batman is as strong as a human can be. Cap is as strong as the human shape can be made to be without massive physiological changes, cyborg enhancements, or cosmic bullshit. He's as strong as the human race can get before it pretty much ceases to be human as we understand it.

His muscles are way denser and more efficient than Batman's.
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>>77735785
>His muscles are way denser and more efficient than Batman's.
Guess that would explain >>77733160
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>>77735732

Yes, it's called plot armor man. He is a hero who is PRAISED for it. If I hear the phrase "prep time" one more time...
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>>77735732
>looking for logic in comic books
Peak Human conditioning means they are the peak of human capabilities, that is what both Cap and Batman are listed as. The only difference is the the companies choosing what that limit is, which will obviously differ.

Second largest weight on the bar says "500lbs", thats easily over 2000lbs. No point in arguing this.
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>>77735856
forgot the pic
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>>77735873
Don't bother, you are talking with 2 fanboys that don't know shit about batman, even when batman is a extremely casual character. For them is just bad writting.
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>>77733749

Except what he did is more impressive. He pulled it over his head before his feet ever
touched the ground. He managed to generate enough force with his arms and core to flip something over 3x his weight.
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>>77735732
No, he is peak human, as in his muscles are more effective than any living human being in our world.
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>>77730239
What about in the first movie when he lifted a motorcycle with several women sitting on it? With one hand? Doesn't seem like momentum helped him there.
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>>77735856
>Second largest weight on the bar says "500lbs", thats easily over 2000lbs. No point in arguing this.
What do you think I'm arguing? That anon was lying?

Nope. I'm just saying that unless Batman as superpowers that kind of feat is bullshit.
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>>77734909
The force of Ivan Drago's punches were not concentrated into small pellet sized surfaces capable of penetrating bodies.
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>>77730551
I figured he hit the brakes on the bike but I still feel like that's not enough.
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>>77727716

Anon, even a manlet is stronger than a tall woman. No matter what your fetish say.

Men are men.
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>>77735785
Yes I've thought of this before, but have never personally found anything to support it (maybe i havent looked hard enough). I've never heard of his muscles being denser than a normal persons. The only way I could support him being the perfect human is the fact that they completely change his build. Other than that, I don't see a difference between him and Batman. Both are listed the same, but at the same time both listings differ between Marvel and DC.
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>>77730239
He actually moves it against the momentum.
That's even harder than throwing it if it stood still before the throw.
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>>77735920
>making batman a superhuman without any superhuman powers isn't bad righting
kek

>>77735936
That makes no sense, explain
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>>77735997
Then quit bringing it up, dumbfuck. If you're not arguing there's no point in bringing up the same topic. Most of the stuff in comic books are bullshit.
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>>77735932
He didn't throw it. He lifted it with style.
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>>77727716
Correct list would be
1. Hulk
2. Thor
3. Vision
4. Captain America (Perfect human)
(Black Panther might fall here)
5. Hawkeye (Archery requires a lot of strength)
6. Falcon (good physical shape.)
7. Tony Stark (average male strength)
8. Black Widow (Tough to say if she's physically stronger than Tony)
9. Scarlet Witch (No real idea on her physical strength)
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>>77735920
It feels like I'm talking to an SJW.
>Your facts and statistics are racist despite being inherently unbiased and irrefutable through being factual and unopinionated!
Bad writing is bad writing. There's no two ways about it. No matter how much you love a character and wish it were you under his muscular form, getting your little boy hole pounded, the fact that a normal, unaltered human can bench close to 2000lbs is just bad writing. Your excuse that human is just different in their world only helps my point. Changing the way a species works just so you can have someone do something cool is beyond stupid. It's just plain bad writing. Do you get the point now or should I hire a kindergarten teacher to better explain it for you?
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>>77736009
This. Ice will have a much easier time supporting a 200 pound man lying down than it will a 200 pound man standing on 1 foot.
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>>77736071
You can't aply our universe rules to a fictional universe. Bruce has like 7 degrees even without spending more than one semester in any uni. There's nothign superhuman about lifting a ton in the DC universe. Nightwing beating over 50 armed bad guys on a small storehouse does not make him superhuman either, even if that is not possible in our world
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>>77736123
I'd go with:

1: Thor
2: Hulk
3: Vision
4: Iron Man (suit)
5: Black Panther
6: Captain America (5 and 6 might be switched in movies, but I think in comics Black Panther is stronger)
7: Hawkeye
8: Quicksilver
9: Falcon
10: Tony Stark
11: Black Widow

Don't know about Scarlet Witch
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>>77736142
>he fact that a normal, unaltered human can bench close to 2000lbs is just bad writing.

Good thing he is not normal, he is PEAK HUMAN.
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>>77736171
And none of that is bad writing? Absolutely none of it?
>Here, let me just change the way humans function to make their feats seem more amazing
>My character is really special so he can just rack up these degrees instead of normal people
>H-he's just really smart
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>>77736072
>hey anons, I take issue with claim x
>well here's the evidence for y
>but i'm not talking about y
>THEN STOP TALKING ABOUT X
fucking retard, I know reading is hard for /co/ but please do try

You're just a batfag that's upset Cap would kick his ass in a fight.
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>>77736213
You should stop reading capecomics then.
>>77736220
What are you talking about? He never talked about that.
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>>77736171
Oh batman is a normal person in universe where normal people have superhuman limits, I'm okay with that then.

So relatively he's normal but compared to Marvel or our world he's super strong.
This answer works for me.

Okay see that was the kind of simple answer I was looking for. Thank you. All these other anons are too ass pained to be coherent like you, I appreciate it.
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Peak human doesn't just mean "Best Muscles Evar!"
It means Strongest and most Durable Bones that a human can produce.
It means the Most Effective Nervous System that a human can have, for better reflexes and senses.
It means the Best Immune System, Best Lungs, Best Pancreas, Best system for dealing with Endurance, Best Stomach, Best Colon, Best Skin (durability, repair) Best Resistance of Injury, Best Recovery from Injury, etc....that the human race is capable of, either thru genetics or training and hard work.
Other Baseline humans can be as good as him in one or two areas, but no one, outside of a million year old Eugenics Abomination, or a fellow SSS user, can equal him in all areas.
And none can be better than him. Or else they are not baseline. When you hit harder than Cap, your punches are SUPERHUMAN.
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>>77736193
I'm a huge BP fan but depends on what they do in the movie. Cap is stronger than his comic self. Black Panther may be blessed by the Panther god for strength but will they do that in the films? Will he have magic tattoos for strength?
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>>77736220
>trying this hard to fit in
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>>77736193
Thor needs mew mew to beat Hulk, at least in the MCU
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>>77736200
Let me spell this out for you.
The original argument was Batman is a peak human. Peak means the best, so he'd be the best human. You will never find a single man, woman or child that is, was, or ever will be who could bench 2000lbs without SOME form of enhancements. What does that tell us then? Batman does something beyond the capabilities of what the best of our species can offer. That makes him super human, since he's better than the best. Then you turn around and say "yeah well humans are just different in their universe." Ok, let's roll with that then. I'll say it again that changing the way a species works just to make your character seem more amazing is bad writing.
What we're left with is Batman either begin a super human by performing better than the best real life humans can, or you have him being one big mess of bad writing, since you're altering the fundamental parts of an entire species to make him seem even more amazing without calling him inhuman. Which is it, Anon? Is he super human or poorly written? I'm inclined to say both, but clearly you know more than me.
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>>77736255
Nice goalpost moving there.
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>>77736296
well yeah, Thor doesn't get stronger the angrier he gets.
he can take Abomination, he can take Hulk. (provided he end the fight quickly)
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>>77736283
They haven't always made their characters 100% like the comics, but I think they will make Black Panther close to Cap or a bit stronger, otherwise whats the point of bringing him in? Also they've already shown him in the chase scene against Cap and Cap was having trouble keeping up
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>>77736289
>bat always wins
>not the most normie opinion ever
I guess not being normie scum means I'm trying extra hard to fit in on normie /co/ right?
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>>77727690
>Like, the latest trailer had him punch Iron Man. It didn't look forceful enough to be, like, devastating, but being strong enough to have punching Iron Man's suit even be a sensible thing to do is kind of like, what

The shield amplifies his strikes, and MCU Iron Man is generally less powerful than the comics version.
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>>77736322
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Anderson_(weightlifter)
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>>77732530

Why is Bull Murray the Justice League?
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>>77735856
>>77735549
A new anon here... Batman is peak human condition, while the serum made cap go to 100% use of all of his musculus cells. Cap is literally everything that human body is capable of.

A normal human is using around 30% to 40% of his muscle cells (you can thank evolution for that), while cap is using 100% of it.

+ batman is bench pressing 1000lbs (453 kg) not 2000lbs, Cap was seeing 1200 lbs (544 kg) on each side of the bar, that`s over a ton.

Batman is not as strong as Cap... Sorry.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Captain_America_(Steven_Rogers)
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>>77736498
see
>>77735873

500lbs on the second largest weight. That's 1000lbs on those two weights alone. Even if the largest weight was only 1lb heavier than the 500lb weights, thats still over 2000lbs.

Not really in the mood to talk about Batman or Captain America anymore, gets repetitive.
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>>77736498
Is Bane stronger than Cap?
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>>77736681
Bane is a bigger guy.
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>>77736681
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>>77736725
Evans is 2" taller than Hardy.
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In the old DC/Marvel crossover, Batman himself that there might be a chance that Cap could beat him if they fought for reals. A chance.

The fight between them was a stalemate but even Bats realized that Cap had more in the tank.
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>>77736755
So, Bane, but Cap is smarter?
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>>77736764
4U
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>>77736613
There is no way in hell that one weight is 500 lbs each. I know it`s comic books we are talking about, but no writer is so dumb as to say "one weight is 500lbs". What they are saying by that is that there is 500 lbs of weight on each side.
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>>77736789
>DGAF about being punched in the face by a peak human
>A pissy eagle is somehow an issue
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>>77736498
>batman is bench pressing 1000lbs
He is not, that is the smaller disc.
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>>77736876
Claws, man
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>>77736772
That was JLA but you are right, in DC/Marvel Batman won by having a better aim and Cap going into a place where batman would have an advantage.
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>>77736876
Talons hurt, man.
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>>77736897
I have difficulty believing that a class act like Kingpin wouldn't have a silk shirt, let alone some sort of aramid jacket.
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>>77736876

Birds can beat green lantern.
Birds > Cap
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>>77736919
His big bald head got scratched.
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>>77736123
>>77736193

Movie Cap is definitely superhuman.

I don't know if they'll go the same route with Panther.
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>>77736929
>Birds can beat green lantern.

Only yellow birds.

or red birds but only if they're in a 4chan banner
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>>77736954
Fair enough, I have a finely polished dome and it's sensitive as hell.
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>>77736961
Is ultimate BP superhuman?
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>>77737029
He's half panther, half black and all man.
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>>77735577

titanium/vibranium alloy.

Adamantium is a synthetic material created in an attempt to replicate said titanium/vibranium alloy.
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>>77727716
Whedon pls go
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>>77737029

BP is superhuman in general.

People often forget that he took a magic herb that gave him enhanced senses, agility, strength, etc.

I just don't know if they'll do it in the MCU.
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>>77737133
>magic herb
It didn't look like this, by any chance?
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>>77732206
There is no way Cap is stronger than Iron Man.
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>>77737232
That out of the suit. Stark works out but he doesn't juice.
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>>77733465
Thor's other powers and the fact that he can think evens them out.
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>>77727690
Whedon write Cap as useless, Russo write him like hes worth a shit


>Jobbing in Avengers 1
>Literally running through walls in Winter Soilder
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>>77735624

His feet are hitting the ground at about 200 beats per second whenever he runs. I'm not autistic enough to be able to calculate how hard his feet must be be hitting the ground because of that speed, but if any normal person were doing that their legs would be so much Smucker's jelly.
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>>77737247
Stark practices wing chun, which is objectively shit martial art that makes you worse at fighting
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>>77737322
Not to mention that KE=1/2MV^2.
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>>77737338
He also pilots what amounts to a thrust vectoring jet fighter while perpetually drunk, give the guy some credit.
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>>77736929
Hey man, birds are dangerous. They've defeated Avengers before.
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>>77737157
it was more like this
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>>77737430
That would only work if the entire comic/movie was from his point of view.
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>>77731061
You're forgetting right before they fucked for the first time. He was showing how strong he was and she just lifted his arms back up like it was nothing.
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>>77733881
Because he's the most worthy besides Thor and Vision.
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>>77733881
Because lifting the alien tech hammer is all about strength, right.
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>>77737133
>People often forget that he took a magic herb that gave him enhanced senses, agility, strength, etc.

More like they turn him into a peak human with better senses.
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>>77727648
This gigga gets it.
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>>77733932
I agree.
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>>77734702
Looks more like Bill Murray to me.
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>>77727852
>>77731084
He is way stronger and more durable. The only reason she won was because she had her right mind and he was trying to resist Purple Man. He has never been shown to be anywhere near weaker.
>>77731121
The back of a car
>>77732562
That doesn't suggest that she is stronger
>>77737682
He was definitely not going all out there. Also, she didn't lift it like it was nothing, she was showing that shes no small fry either.
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>>77737682
What about when they were fighting people? JJ had to put in effort to toss those guys, Luke treated them like nothing.
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>>77734845
>>77735056
i got you
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Does anyone have the page where he summons warriors from all different cultures?

I just thought it looked cool
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If I were to rank everyone
>Thor
>Hulk
>Vision
>Scarlet Witch
>Iron Man/War Machine
>Cap, Drax, Gamora, Black Panther
>Groot
>Luke
>Jessica
>Daredevil
>Black Widow, Falcon, Hawkeye
>Star-Lord, Rocket Raccoon
We haven't actually seen Black Panther in action yet but he should be at or above Cap's level.
Thor is probably misplaced but he really SHOULD be the most powerful.
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>>77727909
I'm not gay, I swear
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>>77727641

I see him as Bruce Willis from Unbreakable.

He doesn't seem to have a problem with stamina, he keeps surpassing his feats, I believe he doesn't have a ceiling, he applies his body and it responds, he can lift more and more, and it'll take even more effort but he can manage it.
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>>77740561
>Thor is probably misplaced but he really SHOULD be the most powerful.
Should be but isn't. Iron man fought a raging berserker thor to a standstill and just danced around him quipping.
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>>77740572
It's Cap, don't think it counts as gay.

Just patriotic love.
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>>77740561
There's no way DD is above any of the Avengers with the beating he takes from regular crooks, while even Widow can solo multiple superpowered opponents without taking a hit.
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>>77740572
you'r gay af bra
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>Standstill
He was getting his ass beat and not saying a single quip. This AFTER getting his suit super charged by Thor's lightening.
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>>77737932
That's...that's very impressive.
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>>77727787
Stark has a suit for all situations.
Speed chart he is at the bottom unless in the Mark 40
Strength chart he is at the bottom unless in the Extremis Armor
Espionage chart he is at the bottom unless in Mark VII

He is Techno-suit Batman, makes a suit for all situations.
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>>77740649
>He was getting his ass beat and not saying a single quip
All he did was quip. He returned every hit he got. The most thor managed to do, in a rage I might add, was slightly dent his gauntlet and dent his helmet. Thor is a fucking joke in the MCU.
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>>77731252
If you don't have superpower in marvel or DC there is almost a 100% chance you have "peak human conditioning and strength, equivalent of a gold medal athlete"
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>>77731661

Peak physical human and "Olympic level" are synonyms, you fucking doofus. Peak human literally means the best a human can be without magic or X-gene or whatever.
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>>77731661
>Olympic level
The best a human can be, "NAH MAN THEY MEAN BETTER"
You're wrong m8
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>>77740689
You should really rewatch the fight. Yes, Iron Man returned hits, but his clearly weren't as potent as Thor's. Thor crushed his arm, took his headbutt like it was nothing and returned it with much more power, completely destroyed him in direct hand to hand, and took no damage at all during the fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1g-B8BJzwc
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>>77740716
No they are not, Peak humans can do stuff is impossible for real world humans.
Pic related
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>>77737932
FUKIN JUICY Super Serum
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>>77740625
Yeah he takes a beating but he survives. He survives hard beatings even when he's not done healing from previous beatings.
MAYBE drop him down to BW/Falcon/Hawkeye's level.
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Is avengers hulk at a single powerlevel or is it like that "angrier he gets the stronger he gets" or is it moreso "hulk is prettymuch unkillable" i mean he ate a bullet literally as Bruce Banner
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>>77737932
How do I get a butt like this?
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>>77740095
That luxurious velvety sheen.
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>>77727792
>Cap is supposed to be Peak Human
Casuals get out
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>>77734034
Get out casual
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He'll lose his arm just like Finn
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>>77734845
flycap vs flyclops when ?
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>>77740285
that scene vs the husband +his bros was delicious
Cage nonchalantly flicking people out of the way
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>>77741087
Probably stronger as he gets angrier if they're aiming to put him in Thor Ragnarok.
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>>77736417
I said bench, not back lift. Still though, you did go out of your way to actually prove your argument here, and I did enjoy the read, so I'll give you credit.
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>>77740771

What's impossible about that?
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>>77727641
>Trying to rip off the Spider-Man 2 train scene

BRAVO MARVEL
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>>77733638
The edge of the shield, though.
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>>77734390
Christ, this shit again.

Captain America in the comics got a permanent BIG boost in strength, speed, endurance, and durability due to the Power Broker's drugs in the Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation storyline in 1985, and he KEPT that level of ability all the way up until he was shot dead in the Civil War ending.

Neither Wheadon or the Russos are fucking anything up - about 2 decades worth of comics in having Cap being clearly above 'peak human ability' is something they chose to draw from.
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>>77741143
This guy gets it.
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>>77733881
>>77733911
>>77733925
>>77733940
>>77737817
>>77737851
Damn, and they say /co/ isn't the most baitable board
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>>77740601
>He thinks Thor was going all out on Stark in the forest fight
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>>77728609
>>77728561
Yes, he is superhuman. If his muscles, large as they are, are as powerful as the "world's strongest man", who is significantly larger still, then by definition his smaller muscles must be super-human, pound for pound.
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>>77743264
He was straight up trying to kill him and was yelling incoherently. MCU Thor is not 616 Thor.
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>>77743752
Near the end maybe
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>>77731263
Go to the gym you weak-willed fuck.
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>>77744347

I think he's dying anon.
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>>77744774
Walk it off.
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>>77744805

Anon. Anon, I think he might be terminally ill. Anon pls
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>>77744859
He's an edgy 12 year old. Theres no stopping him
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>>77744859
>>77744874
>tripfags
>dying
>ever
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>>77727809
>Daredevil
>Weaker than Rocket physically

Surely you jestin.
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>>77745099

Little dude's got all those cybernetic implants and shit. Besides, you ever try to fight a rabid racoon when it's hungry? Fuckers are vicious.
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>>77729443

>normal thugs

Really?
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>>77736362
Hulk's Upper limit is non existent.
They start on around the same strength but they Hulk just gets stronger and stronger.

He's also smarter.
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>>77731154
Remember when he punched the whale?

He could go donkey kong and just slap the city to dust.
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People work out don't they? You telling me Rogers doesn't go to the gym once a day when he's not doing a mission? Since he's so far from his time I doubt anything in the outside world makes sense to him except hard work and lifting.
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>>77729364
The moment Ultimate Cap jumped out a plane with nothing but a shock absorber and his own muscle density to break the fall we started to get a realistic look at what the Erskine Super Human Serum + Vita Ray treatment had accomplished. The blue energy of the vita rays is reminisent of the blue energy extracted from the cosmic cube, the same blue energy that ripples off of and through Thor's Hammer.

Everything I just said is true but you will argue it because that's what fourchan does, argue intelligence in favor of nonsense that promotes this weeks dvd release $.

Now the Black Widow power levels are coming from complete mystery and have almost not onscreen explaination except for Ballet and the idea that she is some kind of creation.

Also she had a jumpsuit with blue enegry coursing through it too.
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Aside from his early appearances in Comics Cap has always had super strength. The SSS gives him the abilites at peak human potential, that is what could be obtained, not what currently is obtained. Take the strongest man on earth, there will be someone who can outlift him eventually, and so on and so forth. Cap is the pinacle of strength that no human can realistically achieve.

Cap's strength has always fluctuated, but there have been instances of him in comics chucking 600lb concrete block like 100yds, and motorcycles weigh less than cars so he still isn't Jessica Jones strong in the MCU. Basically he has been shown to be a little stronger in the MCU but the difference isn't as great as many people here believe.
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>>77736193
>>77736193
I'd say this, with the exception of 5 and 6 being reversed, cause fuckin cap, and 10 and 11 being reverse cause I'd say Tony is is pretty wimpy without his suit. Dude's a science, after all.
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His greatest ability isn't his strength or speed.
It's his abnormally good physical health and immune system.

That is the true aim of the super soldier program. To create the most perfect specimen of human health on the planet.
A perfectly funcitoning constitution that adapts and grows and maintains perfect healthy while pushing his body to perfectly adapt to every single physical and mental stimulus that a normal human being can ever adapt too without putting them into the position where their body will completely break down.
Like giving him the ability to lift 10k pounds but have a body that can never ever survive lifting anything more then 3k.

This allows him to reach the peak of human potential in every single physical and mental endeavor quickly and easily and maintain all of these positive adaptations with no effort on his part.

He is not the perfect solider.

He is the picture of perfect physical health.
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>>77736789

Kingpin's strength levels are super inconsistent. He's gotten the shit beaten out by Daredevil, but has also tangled with Spider-Man.
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Isn't 1610 Cap at super human levels?
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>>77741090
Squats
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>>77731640
>At the end of TWS, Cap gets shot three times, gets the shit beaten out of him by Bucky, then falls a thousand feet and survives.

One of those gunshots was center mass too, and it only slowed him down.
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>>77729506
Wanda is almost ready to acquire Chaos Magics once she gets her TK and PSI up to Lv20.
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So how much harder are people going to ship Steve/Bucky after this movie?
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>>77730615
Why is 7 the max?

Transforners tech specs did this right why do these faggots use such shitty rating methods?
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>>77727809

>>Captain America=Drax
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>>77743752
>He was straight up trying to kill him
Oh Lord you are serious
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>>77743264
>He thinks Thor was going all out on Stark in the forest fight

Probably the only tiny unfortunate thing about Civil War being a Cap movie and having no Thor is that we don't get that scene from the comic where Thor basically makes Tony kneel before him like a little bitch for making the mistake of threatening Asgard.
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>>77745505
Didn't Thor smack the space whales up too?

I mean sure Hulk could just eventually tear a city apart but Thor's super attack was just one blast of power.
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>>77746567
Watch it again, and use your eyes this time.
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>>77743752
>He was straight up trying to kill him
No he wasn't. If Thor wanted to kill Tony, he'd be dead.
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>>77740229
The back of a mid engine super car, so you know, the heavy part.
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So if Cap trained with Kenshiro or Strider, will he grow even stronger and learn to punch through 5 feet of pure steel or harder metals?
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>>77746775

Metal is soft like butter. Three feet of butter is far too maleable and giving to punch through.
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>>77746788
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>>77746788

You'd just get it all over your hands. Then where would you be? In a mess that's where.
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>>77737932
Stupid sexy captain.
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>>77727809
There's no way Matt is weaker than Falcon or Hawkeye or Black Widow.
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>>77740608
I'm totally gay for America.
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>>77727716
more like
>1. Hulk
>2. Thor
>3. Vision
>4. Captain America
>5. Bucky
>6. Hawkeye
>7. Falcon
>8. Ant-Man
>9. Tony Stark
>10. Black Widow
>11. Scarlet Witch
and this is based purely on physical strength and we can't really get anything accurate on Quicksilver because is speed affects everything he does. my best guess is he is at least on par physically with Hawkeye and Falcon adding in fighting skill would change it up a bit.
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>>77733887
Widow has punched through alien armor with just some knuckle blades.
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>>77745505
I want to see Hulk tunneling under a city with his fists and just going I'M GONNA WRECK IT!!!
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>>77731222
Peak human means at the brink of what would actually be physically possible for a unaugmented normal human being.
He is as strong as a human actually could be before crossing the threshold into the impossible.
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>>77730357
>MCU Daredevil could do that.
you can't be this much of a retard
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>>77727843

It just means whatever the Olympic record is.
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>>77746969

If we're talking pure physical strength then Captain America is probably below Bucky. And Ant-Man is probably below Stark and maybe Black Widow.
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>>77747147

Also, Stark is below Black Widow, easily. She's probably above Falcon, as well.
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>>77747147
>If we're talking pure physical strength then Captain America is probably below Bucky

Nope. Compare when the two choked each other.

Bucky barely moved Cap choking him with his cyborg arm, later in the movie Cap one hand choked Bucky three feet off the goddamned ground.
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>>77747260
>All other instances Bucky pushes Captain America around.
>Even knocking him 10+ feet back with his OWN SHIELD, that he just stone cold blocked.

Easily explained with leverage, for your examples.
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>>77747147
>Ant-Man is probably below Stark
no Scott was in pretty good shape and can actually fight. when did Stark fight without his suit or gadgets to do all the work?
>>77747153
in fighting skill yes, but shes like a 100lb woman no way she is stronger that Falcon. maybe Stark but I still think he's stronger than her in terms of just strength.
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>>77747357
>when did Stark fight without his suit or gadgets to do all the work?
He beat up his own body guard in a boxing ring. Just taking that as a stance on it.

>It's just strength.
She can leap her body height, probably higher. Not to mention hit harder.

>No way is she stronger than Falcon.
Are we restricting this to just arm wrestling or what? Because as I've pointed out above there's multiple ways to measure strength. On average she's stronger.
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>>77732640
He did it while in MID-FUCKING-AIR by the way

that itself kind of defeats the laws of physics
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>>77747372
>He beat up his own body guard in a boxing ring. Just taking that as a stance on it.
I forgot about that. still Scott seems stronger to me.
>>77747372
>She can leap her body height, probably higher. Not to mention hit harder.
compared to Falcon or Stark? I will agree that yeah she is probably stronger than Tony but not Falcon. I'm going on just muscle mass and raw strength. fighting skill isn't a factor in my ranking. it would be a different list if I factored that in.

also, like everyone else, only used the main earth based characters we've seen in movies that have been released. don't want these lists to be 40 characters long.
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>>77741278
>flyclops
please don't fuckingmtell me someone got the idea of having Cyclops fly by using his eye beams on the ground
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>>77747411
>I'm going on just muscle mass and raw strength.
Muscle mass =/= raw strength, though. If we're just measuring muscle, sure, Falcon has more... but that in no way translates to strength. Especially if we break it down to the variations available, like smooth (endurance) / striated (burst), and the ability to effectively use it (which does matter in strength). Unfortunately "raw fighting skill" (whatever that actually means) does equate into how "strong" you are. Up to, and including, overriding your body's instinctual resistance to overtax itself.
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>>77747412
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>>77747447
Somewhere Sabertooth is smiling for a reason he can't understand.
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>>77731140

Do keep in mind that Hulk gets larger and stronger the angrier he gets, with no functional limit, unless he's incapacitated fairly quickly.
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>>77747446
I feel like your over complicating everything. I'm basing strength on pretty much "whatcha bench bro?!" I know that fighting skill and mental and physical training and all that effects how strong someone is in a fight and all that.
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>>77747484
So this list is just bench pressing? Would that put Bucky over Cap and Stark over Ant-Man anyway?
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>>77727690
yeah he's training more. the serum gave him peak lvl but they never said he can't get stronger.
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>>77747502

We should all just assume he's above peak. He's already performing feats even a peak human couldn't touch...

Like his little "jog" early in Winter Soldier. Or the fact he fell over 10 stories without a scratch. (Shield or no shield that would fuck you up, cause even a peak human's internal organs can only take so much abuse before being pulped.)
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>>77747501
no because Bucky is only lifting half the weight anyway. and why do you think Stark is stronger than Scott?
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>>77747530
Because Scott has only recently take up the superhero gig, and Stark has been shown to be actively training for, what, years now?

I doubt Scott has even touched a bench press, even being a newly minted superhero.

>Bucky is only lifting half the weight.
So... we're not counting the arm? I doubt even each lifting with their off-hand Cap would lift less. Bucky's training was just more intense and objective than Cap's. I don't think Hydra would have been soft on his training... especially if he was going to be a Captain-counter.
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>>77747567
Scott was in prison for 3 years. I doubt he spent all of it lifting weights but he kept in shape. plus his training had to include strength training. we only see Tony train at all in IM2 and I always felt that was his way of keeping his body healthy due to the arc core poisoning him. Tony relies on the suit for everything physical so I don't see him keeping up with any serious training regimen unlike Scott.
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>>77747660

We'll have to agree to disagree.
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>>77747567
yeah but his super soldier serum wasn't as good as Steves. Bucky's edge is in training and the arm. Steve is still stronger physically.
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>>77730557
In the movie he certainly was. He was punching through pillars and chunked the comedian like he weighed nothing. Brock lesnar would have trouble picking up a 215 pound guy dead weight over his head like that. What was vedt ? 180 ?
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>>77747708

That might actually be true. I just assumed Hydra spent that time increasing his strength with further experimentation.
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>>77747725
no just his training and stuff.
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>>77747447
retarded, but not as bad as i was thinking. I was imagining something similar to how Blackbolt flies with his voice stuff, but with Cyclops's lasers. Which would basically destroy EVERYTHING beneath him, so
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>>77747708
He's basically cruising on a pefected yet weaker form of the soviet super spy serum that black widow was given well over half a century ago.

Neither of them age, they both have super normal physical capability, heal rather quickly.
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>>77747768
Blackbolt doesn't fly up. He just pushes everything further down.
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>>77747798
so he's the one to blame for global warming for pushing earth down too much
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>>77747797
>that black widow was given well over half a century ago
pfffhaha what?
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>>77747918

Widow's older than she looks.
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>>77747923
no she's not. she was born in 1984. I think your confusing the comics with the MCU.
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>>77747708
>yeah but his super soldier serum wasn't as good as Steves
is something you're just making up
the robot arm is what makes him stronger than cap in TWS but his abilities minus the arm are equal to cap
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>>77747967
She's been in the spy game for a very VERY long time.
For someone who's been hiding her identity and eternal youth for nearly a century, faking an identiy like that would be easier then falling off a log, or a black guy getting a on the sly bj from a lesbian.
Very.

I'm also wondering why bucky didn't recognize his old flame.
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>>77744347
Can't helicopter pull-down my way out of this one, unfortunately.
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>>77748312
>black guy getting a on the sly bj from a lesbian.
Cool headcanon but what the fuck does this mean
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>>77748312
>I'm also wondering why bucky didn't recognize his old flame.
But he did recognize Cap at the end of TWS.
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>>77727782
Strength /= Pain Tolerance

I actually thought they put this across pretty well in JJ. She's a bit of a glass cannon. She's super strong in terms of output, but she can't take a hit too well. Look at the bar fight scene with her and Cage against the Rugby fags. He takes hit after hit without really feeling it, but she's still tussling and getting tossed around.
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>>77745099
Dude, read the post. It's not a pure physical strength list.
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>>77746892
Falcon can fly and has machine guns. Hawkeye can hit a fast-moving target without even trying. Black Widow can take down multiple, much stronger opponents without breaking a sweat.

Matt almost gets killed by a bunch of regular crooks. Like, every episode. The fact that he barely scrapes by was a big part of what made the series unique.
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>>77747153
Widow's a much better fighter but she's still a nonpowered woman. She's not gonna be physically stronger than a muscular guy like Falcon.

Her fighting style is mostly stuff that doesn't rely on strength.
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>>77749772
So if we're going purely by fighting skills/hand to hand prowess and we disregard strength, what would the top be?

>Cap
>Bucky
>Widow
>Hawkeye (did pretty well against Widow in Avengers/trained by SHIELD)
>Falcon (military/did alright against Crossbones)

Tony and Scarlet Witch are probably shit-tier and can't fight hand to hand. How do you even rank Thor and Hulk in this?
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>>77749952
Thor is a pretty good fighter even without his powers. I'd say he's almost on par with Cap.
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>>77749952
Those that appeared in Russo movies are the most skilled fighters, those that didn't are the least.

I expect Wanda will become a CQC master in Civil War.
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>>77727673
There is only 2 powerhouses in Avengers
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>>77750384
*ahem*
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>>77750457
the other one is thor.
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>>77731210
Thor takes on a Roid Raged Larry the Cucumber?
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>>77750727
Hulk is weak as fuck in the movies.
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>>77750738
Stop moving the goal posts
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No one can do parkour as good as him. That's his power.

That and drugs.
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>>77750787
>No one can do parkour as good as him
Spider-Man can.
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