Anybody got the next one? I am actually curious what will happen.
>willis is turning joyce into a self insert
I dont know rather to be mad or to laugh
Everytime I see these dumb webcomics I wanna approach them with an open mind and be like "It's not that bad" and then i realized that saying that everytime probably means it's actually bad.
Who's parents aren't cunts in this?
Everyone else parents have problems. He even made digs at Dorothys parents by implying they'd settled for the first people they hooked up with in college.
He'll collapse like a Poltergeist House.
No, and I doubt they'll ever be mentioned again.
They were just used to show how evil and disgusting fundie parents are compared to super progressive minorities with lesbian daughters.
And the only reason Mikes parents are nice is because it's meant to be a joke that he's awful yet his parents aren't.
Ambers Dad is abusive so her mom obviously wasn't going to be portrayed as evil.
They showed up, acted practically as societally stumped as Dina herself and faded into background.
But they actually APOLOGISED for letting Amber's dad in, so that puts them miles above the standard.
>Triumphantly sodomizing autismosaurus
Im fucking cracking up at work fuck you
Atheist friend's parents.
Joe's dad is an older version of him, and I like Joe, so I assume he's cool.
Joyce's parents are actually pretty good as far as fundies go. Most would've pulled her out of college back when she introduced her atheist friend to them. I'm okay with ignorant people being portrayed as ignorant.
>yfw he wasn't crazy
>yfw lesbianism is literally a disease in this setting that was created by Satan
>yfw it goes full on urban fantasy
>yfw toedad was a modern day templar all along
I'm not sure she did side with him.
I think Joyce is meant to be realizing that, even if her mom isn't a crazed gunman, she still shares the same beliefs that drove toedad to do what he did, and those beliefs now sound kinda threatening after someone's pointed a gun at you over it.
Of course, I don't doubt that this whole thing will end with Joyce being a stronk indypendant woman and renouncing her parents.
>Bless his soul, but at least he thought he was doing the right thing.
>Bless his soul, but [positive statement].
>[negative statement], but [positive statement]
The "but" implies a contrast.
"Bless his soul" was meant negatively.
The fourth panel was fine to get the point across everything else just reads as JOYCE ITS OKAY HE HELD A GUN TO YOUR HEAD BECAUSE LOVE. No one tells their daughter that an outside perspective like me of a stranger who saw it on the news but not a parent that's been shown to love their kid.
>"Bless his soul" was meant negatively.
"Bless his soul" and "bless him" are ALWAYS used in negative contexts, but can be sympathetic or sarcastic.
They either convey sympathy on someone who has suffered misfortune ("His wife passed away, bless his soul") or are a putdown (Bless his soul, that boy just can't learn.)
Bless his heart is the same phrase as well.
The context of this is, the Mom is expressing sympathy for his plight but disagreeing with his actions.
Southern is subtle.
I don't think it's especially South-restricted. Every time I heard anything in similar fashion it was in the meaning of there being some problem with the target of it.
His kids are going to turn into "race realist", anti-degenerate /pol/lacks and it's going to be really fucking funny because he'll just make a new comic where Joyce and Walky are parents with ungrateful bastard children.
I thought they would yell at her after making sure she was okay, but this is so much worse. I'd like to hope her parents would open their eyes a little and become a little less ignorant, but this is Willis we're talking about.
Also those fingers holy shit.
She tends to be the only one we like. I don't mind these two past feeling her mom should have called her vs her leaving a message and the last two panels of this strip. They feel like its jsut beating a dead horse panel four and maybe panel six were enough. Five feels awkward for some reason.
Nah, but he'll raise them "right", and then when they come of age he'll go full Toedad when they don't do what he wants.
The only difference is that he'll probably shit himself to death in a seizure rather than come and try to break them out and bring them home.
>"I love you Dad, but I'm going to the Seminary and Laserbeak is going to join a convent. God be with you."
>makes sign of the cross as they back out of the room.
>I don't mind these two past feeling her mom should have called her vs her leaving a message
Her phone was dead. Mom called back immediately after she sent the message, meaning she was hovering over her phone waiting for any signals from her child.
...Actually given the speed of call back, she may not have even listened to the message.
But how can you make that so hamfisted ?!
That line has no context at all, at least Ross said it while confronted by his possible death at the hands of the police.
But Joyce's mother ? She just says that to enforce the point that "parents are evil" without any kind of fucking context
I'm not sure what the hell is going on.
I'm a mod for both /r/DumbingOfage and /r/walkyverse, but i'm really considering just fucking closing those down because of these bullshit storylines.
Plus barely anyone uses them, so no real loss.
>REDDIT'S HERE, AREN'T THEY?
>Reddit has been here, Mister Mulder, for a very long time
Nah reasonable conversation can't happen here. But would be a great edit to make Willis get shitty about again.
"Mom, he took her away at gunpoint, how is that love."
Excessive amounts of seatbelts and "IT'S ALWAYS DADS"
Once again Willis doesn't understand emotional progression, or strip layout.
This would be so much better if it went panel 1-2-3-6-5-4 then the last panel included in the next strip. Joyce rants, realizes how harsh she sounds, and feels guilty about it.
Instead, we get this weird thing where she tones it down for 1 second then goes back to being angry. Then the phone rings like "WHO COULD IT BE" except it's obviously mom.
If Joyce is Willis' self insert, and this is his/her progression, then does that mean Willis used to be likable?
It's the Happening... it's a happening
Or he'll go the Penny Arcade route and re-brand himself as a Cool Nerd Dad. Willis seems to go through more skins than a chameleon.
Fuck you, Willis... fuck you.
You know what? To hell with it, I didn't post it on Saturday, but I'll turn this shit-show around with some Prince Vailant.
Kid comes out, and in he goes, unbirth style up his clone/wife's still bleeding wazoo.
I don't even know any more... God damn it, I used to LOVE reading Willis' comics. Then he pulled that fucking drama tag, and I saw the writing on the wall.
It's just depressing.
Maybe she was having problems shifting into No True Scotsman mode. Trying to separate a Good Christian like herself from a Bad Christian like Ross, even though they believe basically the same things.
So much of Willis' work is geared solely to put himself over. If there was more money to be had in comedy and nerd humor, he would have stuck with that. Unfortunately, there's more cred to be earned in social commentary and having Real and Grounded settings.
>Maybe she was having problems shifting into No True Scotsman mode.
That would involve nuanced writing, and Willis hasn't been capable of that for a while.
>there's more cred to be earned in social commentary and having Real and Grounded settings.
I hate that this is true.
It was a different time.
Welp, she's right, shame Walky didn't make Toedad sympathetic. He nearly gets there when he talks about losing his wife. Like he got wrapped up heavily in Christian ideology to escape that and heal, but didn't actually move forward and him kidnapping his daughter and acting all deranged was a culmination of that. But then he just tuns into incompetent christian terminator.
You're right about her expression, should've been reveresed, but I won't give you the phone ring. Seems intentional. You obviously are supposed to know who it is, it's a cliff hangar and also can simulatae that delayed dreadful feeling of when you call someone and leave a message similar to that. Blood runs cold and all.
Don't want to look like I'm felating Walky either, man's so far up his own ass he's begining to look like a reverse Ouroboros
A time when slim young beautiful men could fight vikings naked and not have it be over-analysed?
I do really like Prince Valiant. My absolute 100% favourite thing from it is when they have a dragon or a questing beast or w/e and it's just a really big iguana or some shit. That is amazing, I never get tired of it.
How can someone write a comic while simultaneously have no idea how humans interact or talk to each other?
In what world would a mother tell her daughter, after just being notified that a crazy man was waving a gun around at people, much less her, that it's ok because "He was just doing what he thought was right, God bless his soul"? (Nevermind that the guy himself was nothing more than a cartoonish caricature to begin with).
Where did all of these hack webcomic authors even come from? Fuck's sake.
Guys, remember that they KNOW Toedad and trusted him enough to take Joyce to Six Flags with Becky.
This isn't just some headcase with a gun, it's someone they know and like. And its harder to outright condemn someone like that.
I recently downloaded the Prince Vailant RPG - Deus is so Vult
Like I said, things were different back then. Language drift, and all that.
It's the second-best fight in a comic I've ever seen.
dude if anyone came near my kid with a gun Id be calling him crazy ass nigga and trying tog et him locked up with a 7 foot tall South American rapist even if Ive known him for years
If something's utterly predictable, can it still be called drama? Or then is it just narm?
>How can someone write a comic while simultaneously have no idea how humans interact or talk to each other?
>Where did all of these hack webcomic authors even come from? Fuck's sake.
Willis knows exactly what he's doing.
The moment the Patreon shekels from teenage/college libtards stop flowing, he's basically going on foodstamps or to a career as a Wallmart greeter if he's lucky.
I've got some classic Mandrake the Magician on my laptop... that shit didn't date well.
Being a History Major I find that stuff Humorous when it doesn't. Also those comics that just disregarded all Science and went beyond. Lensmen is a good early 20th Century piece of Science Fiction that goes beyond. Pretty much Green Lantern before Green Lantern.
I hoped that this lessens your rage from the bullshit Willis has inflicted upon you all.
You would not be concerned if your mother expressed sympathy for ISIS, who recently bombed your neighborhood, and started chanting that she would die for you?
Willis is a deranged dumbass for making literally every parent in his comic a psycho, not for having his characters react negatively to said psycho parents. You are probably more retarded than he is, judging by your posts.
Which is garbage. So her mother and father who we've seen before are just one event away from a campus assault. That being their daughter rejecting god and coming out for that grinning idiot.
>Mom a man literally raped me in the ass yesterday
>oh I can't believe that dearie, but have you considered that he was horny?
>I would die for you.
WILLIS WHY WOULD YOU MAKE A CHARACTER UPSET THAT THEIR MOM SAID SHE WOULD DIE FOR THEM?!!?
>The guy wanted his daughter back and didn't hurt anybody.
Except for all the people he threatened with a gun. I get that you guys hate Willis, I do too, but try not to defend school shooters just to be contrarian.
>literally defending the act of shooting up a school
>tells other people to get therapy
Why can't we just hate a shitty comic together without being retarded? Why do you people have to take it too far?
Except every time the PA guys talk about their kids it's all about drugging them because
>muh dad was terrible
>muh social anxiety
>muh inability to understand that my kids might have interests that aren't mine and so I pre-emptively decide that raising him will be terrible
They locked their daughter in a bedroom with the immature boyfriend, vehemently stated multiple times that their daughter having baby-making intercourse was wholly necessary, and hid erotic literature near their Bible.
What did Joyce do?
Ran off with a Bible and found god again.
Wait wait wait, she was just talking to her. Her mom would've called back already.
He's literally going to leave there isn't he? It doesn't matter that Joyce revealed the Becky was staying at the college illegally to her mother, it doesn't matter that any normal fucking police department would've asked for a fucking residence from a kidnapping victim, or that the College itself should've checked up on this shit.
Because it's not about logic or realistic circumstances, Anon.
It's all about feelings and emotions. That's what makes webcomics like Questionable Content so popular, and other comics like Endtown literal pieces of trash that don't deserve a cent via Patreon.
Joking, of course.
I live in the south and the term "bless his heart" either means "I hope he'll be okay" or is used as a way to make up for saying something insulting: "Holy shit that guy's ugly, bless his heart."
I've yet to hear anyone outside of my great grandmother say "bless his soul", and she was always sincere when she said it.
You know, I really would like this comic if it were actually about Joyce going to college and having her preconceptions about the world challenged and broadening her mind.
But instead it's about how parents and their religion are unreasoningly evil.
Apparently this part is somewhat autobiographical on Willis' part. At some level I can't hate on it because this is a story very close to who Willis is as a person. We can joke about "get therapy, Willis" but the fact of the matter is this IS therepudic for him. By having hsi character go through the same crazy behavior (obviously escalated) as a way to have this moment with Joyce where she feels her mom is just as bad as this monster of a man.
I dunno. After reading his post on tumblr I'm not gonna really hate on him for it I guess.
So, in Dumbing of Age Joyce is going to end up hating her parents and her religion while in It's Walky she held onto her faith and was fine
, minus the evil Joyce clone she beat to death.
Yeah but he should actually get therapy instead of having thousands of dumb children tell him he's brilliant, and their parents also don't respect their genderfluid pansexual identity and its pronouns, which makes all parents evil and bad.
It's not so much therapy as much as it is catharsis in the long run.
Without actually choosing to look at issues from multiple angles, all this does is further validate his own point of view for himself. It likely doesn't help if/when other people agree with his point of view.
It's like his reaction to the Becky/Toedad edits. He prefers his own take on what Becky's reaction would be—immature and uncouth— versus the Anon's edits, which held development and a willingness of the character to accept that she can't change her father, but still respects him as a person. Or something to that effect.
In any case, it's all still his way of lashing out against his parents.
Wonder what it's like having /pol/ for a parent.
I want to say he should still be able to talk with his mom even if they disagree politically about things, but really, that's none of my business.
He had an oedipal phase that he never got past because he has political disagreements with her and so hates himself for loving her. Hence his arrested development.
I'm just bullshitting but it's probably something like that.
>Willis is ruining Joyce
You know, this is just driving me to reread It's Walky again so I can remember when I actually liked reading his comics. Has he managed to scrub the archives yet?
Willis is pathologically incapable of writing realistic parental relationships. In his world, good parents never try to teach their kids anything or pass on their culture/religion/traditions what have you. Parents just pop out the kid, keep them from dying until they go to school, and never ever ever disagree with any decision the child makes.
I can't even imagine how horrifying it must have been for Willis' parents to see him become the autistic, sanctimonious hypocrite he is today. This entire arc is easily his creative low point, what he's doing to Joyce is just heartbreaking, all to justify his infantile personal philosophy. Just retire these characters, cancel this comic and get some fucking help Willis please.
>people still spouting the "Willis hate parents" bullshit
He doesn't you know? The majority of the parents he represents in his comic are okay people.
There are few assholes parents, just like there are a few parents asshole in real life. and one very messed up one, just like from time to time, there is a really messed up parent.
The thing with David Willis is that, no matter what, whenever he introduces a bad people, (like stories many have bad people too), people feel the need to defend that villain no matter what and when he is irredeemably villain, People complain he forced that villainess. No matter the amount of not-villain or more morally nuanced character his story already have.
I swear the answer to every one of Walky's creative shortcomings is to broaden his life experiences in a few key areas. Try hallucinogens, get in a fist-fight, visit a brothel, sleep under the stars, build something, destroy something, make love to another man. Seriously in three months he could put this hyper-anxiety and childishness behind him and become a real artist. Even the questionable content guy has lived a little.
He is a real artist. And a good story teller. He just get a very biased rage boner ever since he made that false equivalence batman comic. Since he is the man to hate, no matter what.
Seriously, there was nothing wrong with this sotry telling. It was haevy drama, but I find it strange that people don't want hevy drama in their tall of fiction.
Even the physical stunt are nothing to really complain about all of it are below the usual Batgirl stunt, who is also meant to be a real human.
Oh yes he is. Ever since Roomies he has been and improving. He just tell stories that for some reason, people don't want to see.
I mean, seriously, the only critic I see is "How dare Willis represent some parents being shitty". And by "some", they mean "all" because a few asshole mean all the other okay parents cease to exist. It's not even that it's unrealistic, there has been far much worst parents than what we have seen.
I have been in many of these threads, and I can find a single valid criticism. All I see is complain for event taking a turn they didn't want to see and yet, people keep making thosqe thread and posting in it and complainingand being buthurt.
It's like even OP doesn't enjoy the trolling, yet he feel compelled to perpetuate it.
>someone disagree with the general opinion
>must be some sort of organised defence force.
Is it so hard to believe that there are people disagreeing with you?
Frankly, all this hate I see is uncalled for and barely make sense.
Someone actually asked Willis Where's Becky?
Love is over.
>>must be some sort of organised defence force.
No I think it's just you actually. I don't expect there are too many people other than Willis himself who are going to fight for his reputation as an artist.
The kid named Buzzsaw gets the better end of that deal. I mean, he can just be called Buzz and it's normal, and then when he reveals he's named after (they think) a chainsaw? Awesome.
>I mean, seriously, the only critic I see is "How dare Willis represent some parents being shitty". And by "some", they mean "all" because a few asshole mean all the other okay parents cease to exist. It's not even that it's unrealistic, there has been far much worst parents than what we have seen.
It's "ALL" because all the parents that have significant roles on screen. Dina's parents are ok but have been in like three strips total.
And the all bad ones also lack a milk of human kindness and compassion.
We had Amber's father, an utter shithole. Fine, because that's the first.
We had earlier conflict with Joyce's parents, they were fundie but not total shitholes. Fine, because they aren't one-note caricatures.
Then the toe came. But we already had an utter shithole in the comic, so we wanted something more extreme than Joyce's parents, but still without going utterly off the deep end. We wanted nuance. And the nuance was easy to deliver. But Willis didn't want nuance, so we lambast him for that decision.
He is now also making Joyce's parents slide into deep end and removing nuance from them. That also deserves bashing.
>So you'd defend Becky's behavior as being reasonable?
Her dad want to take her to some place to "rehabilit" gays, who are notoriously known to be awful place, she try to leave and plan to find a way to live on her own.
Her dad found her and when he threaten her with a gun, she agree to come with him to avoid him killing anyone or him getting killed with a sniper. She call the police to warn them that they are riding away.
When Joyce want to kick him on the ground, Becky stop. When nothing force her to see her dad, she still do it and try to talk with him and when he says it's all her fault and blame their situation on her, she goes "fuck you dad". And she intends to pursue her studies.
She has been nothing but reasonable, if sometimes a bit misdirected, which, for someone just out of highschool, is a bit to be expected.
>I don't expect there are too many people other than Willis himself who are going to fight for his reputation as an artist.
that an all his readership paying his patreon and buying his paper version of his comics. Form which he is able to live comfortably.
>It's "ALL" because all the parents that have significant roles on screen. Dina's parents are ok but have been in like three strips total.
We have Dorothy's parents.
We have Joe's father (and probably his mother too)
We have Amber's mother.
Joyce's father is actually accepting of Joyce's choice.
>Then the toe came. But we already had an utter shithole in the comic, so we wanted something more extreme than Joyce's parents, but still without going utterly off the deep end. We wanted nuance. And the nuance was easy to deliver. But Willis didn't want nuance, so we lambast him for that decision.
Sometime, an asshole s just an asshole. This is not bad storytelling to make one or two characters complete vilains. This is not what you wanted, but that doesn't mean it is bad. This kind of persons exist in real life and there is nothing wrong in featuring them in stories.
>He is now also making Joyce's parents slide into deep end and removing nuance from them. That also deserves bashing.
Joyce parent are based on personal life experience of David Willis, he has told it before that Joyce is a sort of semi-autobiographical stand in. One of the reasons artist make their piece of work is to express themeslves. and this is what Willis is doing.
>literally defending the act of shooting up a school
While it's not something to be taken lightly, there's a HUGE difference between firing one shot in the air on a college campus and "shooting up a school".
This is not unreasonable. It's at the very least understandable, after having been in a sheltered environment her whole life (home-schooled, then send to a Christian uni), she enjoyed her first bit of real freedom for the first time in her life. She camped on campus because she had nowhere to go.
And you seem to forget that just after a few days, she decided she needed to find a job and a real place to crash on, because she didn't actually want to be a leech.
No, I can't find her attitude unreasonable.
>We have Dorothy's parents.
>We have Joe's father (and probably his mother too)
>We have Amber's mother.
They aren't significant characters in the comic.
>Joyce's father is actually accepting of Joyce's choice.
Haven't seen his reaction here.
>Sometime, an asshole s just an asshole. This is not bad storytelling to make one or two characters complete vilains.
Yes it is. We already had "utter shithole father shows up and gets beaten" arc.
Doing it again is a waste.
>This kind of persons exist in real life and there is nothing wrong in featuring them in stories.
Again, one is enough.
>Joyce parent are based on personal life experience of David Willis, he has told it before that Joyce is a sort of semi-autobiographical stand in. One of the reasons artist make their piece of work is to express themeslves. and this is what Willis is doing.
Removing nuance and characterisation from a story in order to whine about your personal issues is also a waste of writing.
>Then the toe came. But we already had an utter shithole in the comic, so we wanted something more extreme than Joyce's parents, but still without going utterly off the deep end. We wanted nuance. And the nuance was easy to deliver. But Willis didn't want nuance, so we lambast him for that decision.
Amber's father relied on emotional abuse. Willis has actually sated he never relied on actual physical force.
Toedad is the other side of the coin. he rely on actual force to get thing the way he want.
Dumping money on a haircut while your ability to support your life is in question is very much unreasonable.
>And you seem to forget that just after a few days, she decided she needed to find a job and a real place to crash on, because she didn't actually want to be a leech.
She shouldve gone for that before going to haberdasher.
>They aren't significant characters in the comic.
Surprise surprise, you get more story telling out of drama and conflictual relationship than out of people getting along fine. It's like DoA is your first story.
I also forgot Danny's parent that we see quite a bit.
>Haven't seen his reaction here.
I am talking about when she anted to remain Dorothy's friend.
>Doing it again is a waste.
>Removing nuance and characterisation from a story in order to whine about your personal issues is also a waste of writing.
No nuance was removed, there.
you expect someone out of highschool who has just found out she is gay and has to run away from her home to act in a perfectly responsible middle -aged adult when she is experiancing freedom for the first time.
Her not doing that would be unrealistic. As far as her whole attitude goes she has been overall reasonable. and the few free dip she took in her new situation, she intent to pay back.
I'd say she is acting more reasonably than most uni Fresh-men.
Well then, if this is what we want to talk about, it's really not his place to dictate to us otherwise.
If he wants to post Valiant. Fine. He can do it in it's own thread, not hijack some other comics thread. That's the beauty of this imageboard, you can start a new discussion thread
If he doesn't want to read a discussion on some comic, that's also fine. No one is forcing him to. He can just hide the thread or ignore it. That's a perfectly reasonable approach to handling it.
I am not being contrarian, I am just stating, that for someone who has been through what she has, getting some haircut and a bit of moment oo breath and be herself, it's not too much of an abuse of the situation.
>she's just an outright annoying dyke in how she lives her life.
You mean, in how she is looking for a job and intend to pursue her studies? how? Because that's all we know she is going to do beside skishing some dinosaur girl.
>You mean, in how she is looking for a job and intend to pursue her studies?
The most hilarious thing is you think Becky's actually going to do any of that.
Homosexuality serve a s a way to regulate overpopulation, as well as providing childless siblings that will take care of their nephew, increasing the chance of passing down the gene of the family.
There exist n actual connection between Homosexuality and paedophilia not bestiality.
>Becky is flaky, unreliable and socially obnoxious. That's her entire character.
How is she unreliable. I mean, for most of what we have seen her, she was in a situation of distress.
And she actually accpeted to follow her father to prevent him from being snipped.
>Also being a lesbian and making sure people know it.
Going all out after having been repressed her whole life is kind of a natural reaction.
I am not good at describing character, but I see more in her than just "The lesbian".
Anonymous, that is the dumbest thing you have ever said.
Can anyone please photoshop some elements of gta in this picture. It's for my project!
It's just one generation of stubborn, stupid, sanctimonious, angry, paranoid, intellectually dishonest, socially retarded weirdos leading into the next. Frankly, I think Willis is beyond saving unless the insulated hugbox he's built for himself falls apart and he has to face the world without a bunch of Tumblr kiddies telling him how great he is. At the very least, I hope he has the decency not to dump all his emotional baggage on his kids and gives them the chance to break the cycle.
David Willis is neither dishonest nor an hypocrite.
What he is today is the result of the confrontation of the worldview he was taught with with the reality he later met.
His evolution stem from meeting tons of people he was told were awful, only to realize they were okay people and then having to deal with the hypocrisy of his family he couldn't delude himself to not see.
Joyce is simply going through the same process of having to reconcile her own worldview with the new reality she is meeting.
I won't deny that Willis has improved, but of the last few years he seems to have plateaued. Did you see that drawing he did of the college where DoA is set? The perspective in that is kinda janky.
I can understand you being mad about me posting a good comic in a DoA thread.
Remember kids, mods don't respond unless a troll has at least 10 reports for their posts!
>Did you see that drawing he did of the college where DoA is set? The perspective in that is kinda janky.
I do not possess the skill nor the sensibility to tell.
>Remember kids, mods don't respond unless a troll has at least 10 reports for their posts!
Science is not trolling, you know.
Okay, I am one of the few (the only one?) who don't hate Willis and genuinely enjoy his stories. That being said, I am someone who never had to deal with any of the drama that happens to the characters in those stories, so I am curious, if you are talking here from a personalpoint of view (or have got a close enough friend to know about it), I'd really like to know what it is like. What is your story?
Don't be afraid of people calling you a fag or insulting you, one should never fear the the inevitable.
What I mean, is, how much do you relate to the characterisation of David Willis. Is it really pure fanfiction drama with shoehorned characterisation and over-reactions, like many seems to criticize it for, or is there actual soul in what DW tell?
Valiant-posting and Funky-posting are legitimate Willis thread traditions. They serve as necessary contrast to the style and content of the material being discussed and also highlight the storytelling excesses of Willis' work. Taking them to their own thread would be like reprinting Watchmen without the Black Freighter.
Did Willis plan this horrible shit plot ten years ago or is he just not aware that lesbians are so absolutely mainstream and overdone that it's impossible to believe anyone would get offended by that shit?
His intend is not to offend anyone. his intend was to feature how gays from the Christian belt tend to be treated.
I mean, there is been tons of story about people trying to explain avenge the death of a close relative. That doesn't mean this kind of story should stop. Same with gay. Just because there has been gay stories before doesn't mean it should stop being done now.
Can they at least be well-written stories, instead of badly-paced bullshit with chase scenes that defy physics, continuity and logic and denouements that make no fucking sense?
Becky is going to become even more of a main character btw.
Willis had a bumper till February, and the toe-dad story was likely written and drawn in like August. The recent poll showing how desperate fans are for more Dina and Becky will have likely have lead him to finding some way for her to join the College and become a student.
She'll be the Robin Desanto of the comic, except much more hollow.
All the stunts see there are below Batgirl level, so I see no problem with them. There isn't any real continuity problem either.
And the story IS well written. It's just taking a direction you don't like for some reason. The denouement after Toedad's arrest make perfect sense. No one is acting out of character.
>And the story IS well written.
Holy fuck Willis, get the fuck out of here!
>scenery flipping around
>laws of gravity, inertia and motion thrown out the window
>pet character barely getting a scratch after being in a vehicle that flipped over
>There isn't any real continuity problem either
Also, fuck you for comparing this shit to stuff that goes through an actual editor.
>All the stunts see there are below Batgirl level, so I see no problem with them
That's a shitty standard and you still don't reach it. Amber is fat, out of shape and untrained. To say that it's fine when Amber climbs onto a car during a high-speed chase is believable because it's less than you'd expect from a superhero is retarded.
>He is a real artist
If by "real artist" you mean "someone who it can be factually proved draws pictures" then yeah, he's a "real artist". He's still not a good artist. He's fucking terrible at perspective and distance, as well as conveying things like speed and angles and other very basic things an artist should learn very early on in their development.
>And a good story teller
Pic related. Has he ever written a story which isn't the comic strip equivalent of an angry blogpost about something that happened to him or a jab at groups of people he doesn't like? He's really only a step above Dobson in that he can at least distance himself SLIGHTLY from the obvious mouthpieces and stereotypes he populates his pages with.
If you consider DoA good story telling, you seriously need to broaden your horizons. People have been posting Funky Winkerbean in the earlier threads which is actually an example of how to do soap-opera style drama RIGHT without it getting preachy, and having characters who are actually likeable and who you hope DON'T die when terrible things happen to them, rather than wishing they would.
It's a good thing all this stupid nonsense takes place inside Willis' head, because no one would want to be friends with people who act even remotely similar to these characters in real life.
I also wish we didn't have to get this shit plugged here constantly, if people want to read it they can go to his home page. No need to advertise it here, too.
>That's a shitty standard and you still don't reach it.
Batgirl is considered a normal human, that's actually quite the good standard.
>Amber is fat, out of shape and untrained
Wrong, completly wrong if you want to complain about a story, at least be accurate about it. Amber has been training herself since she was 13 and is in very good shape. She is just shortstacked.
> To say that it's fine when Amber climbs onto a car during a high-speed chase is believable because it's less than you'd expect from a superhero is retarded.
It's not retarded. BAtgirl is a normal humanbeing and Amber is doing less good than her.
>>scenery flipping around
What do you mean
>>laws of gravity, inertia and motion thrown out the window
Have seen none of that.
>>pet character barely getting a scratch after being in a vehicle that flipped over
There is a thing called seatbelt.
>>There isn't any real continuity problem either
>Also, fuck you for comparing this shit to stuff that goes through an actual editor.
Cape comics Editors don't make reality check.
Dude's fucked in the head, especially when you consider he shares half his genes with this woman.
It's possible that his parents are evil AND he's a douche. But wait, that'd mean admitting he's right about something and the hatedom could never do that.
I admit, this comic isn't for me anymore. I'm not gay and I have a decent relationship with my atheist parents. I'm glad Willis is finally getting this shit out of his system but damn is it hard to read, and just because I liked his older stuff doesn't mean I'm obliged to slog through this for a payoff that won't come.
Amber spends her time beating up teenagers and playing mmos.
Batgirl spends her time fighting supervillains and being trained in martial arts by Batman.
There is a very vast gulf of difference between them.
>He's still not a good artist. He's fucking terrible at perspective and distance, as well as conveying things like speed and angles and other very basic things an artist should learn very early on in their development.
He does all this very well.
>Pic related. Has he ever written a story which isn't the comic strip equivalent of an angry blogpost about something that happened to him or a jab at groups of people he doesn't like?
Plenty. Also, keep in mind that DoA is meant to be semi-autobiogrphical, so of course it will feel like someone expressing his personal life. You know artists can you their work to express themelsves, right?
>. People have been posting Funky Winkerbean in the earlier threads which is actually an example of how to do soap-opera style drama RIGHT without it getting preachy, and having characters who are actually likeable and who you hope DON'T die when terrible things happen to them, rather than wishing they would.
Funky Winkerbean is in no way worst than DoA.
So is Prince Vaillant. I don't see what would brought more praise than what Willis is doing.
Including in your sotries some real-life issues doesn't make it bad.
>Has he ever written a story which isn't the comic strip equivalent of an angry blogpost about something that happened to him or a jab at groups of people he doesn't like?
His sci-fi stuff wasn't like that. But he doesn't write sci-fi anymore, it's not "real" enough.
I'd suggest we curtail these threads from a daily event to, perhaps, something for the weekend.
This whole sequence threw me for a loop; you're expecting Val and Arn to get captured and make a daring escape... instead, you get something beautifully unexpected.
>Batgirl is considered a normal human
I was under the impression that any member of the Bat Family had to be ABOVE average, but what do I know?
>I can't refute any of the points made, so I'll just pretend they don't count
>I'll also continue to compare a slice-of-life webcomic to superhero comics, as if that excuses this bullshit
>Including in your sotries some real-life issues doesn't make it bad
No, having shitty continuity/characterisation and including little gags at inappropriate moments makes them bad. Also, did you seriously try and say that DoA is as good as Prince Valiant?
Here's your reply, you deluded imbecile.
>I was under the impression that any member of the Bat Family had to be ABOVE average, but what do I know?
And What amber did was Below what Batgirl does. Amber trained herself to do what she can, she might be slightly above average too.
>>I can't refute any of the points made, so I'll just pretend they don't count
You didn't prove any of your pints in the first place.
>>I'll also continue to compare a slice-of-life webcomic to superhero comics, as if that excuses this bullshit
I compare a normal human who train herself to an other human who also train herself.
Also, it's not like Realistic/Fantastic setting is a n on/off thing. There is a full spectrum between the two and a story can be set at any point in it.
>No, having shitty continuity/characterisation and including little gags at inappropriate moments makes them bad.
Which Willis doesn't do.
> Also, did you seriously try and say that DoA is as good as Prince Valiant?
Yes. And you are the only one being deluded by your uncalled for hate-boner for Willis.
Seriously, most of the people I see in this thread react as if what he does is a personal attack against them.
>Also, did you seriously try and say that DoA is as good as Prince Valiant?
It's called no perspective. People will defend DoA to death and excusing everything because they literally don't know any better.
The art is great and the story is fine! Until you look at Unsounded, or Gunnekrigg Court or even Blaster Nation, if I have to include a slice of life comic. Hell, blaster nation even did a whole chapter as backstory to an asshole jaded dad and made him sympathetic. You know, to give a reason to his behavior besides "he's a bigot"
Confession time. A few years ago I was a huge Ctrl+Alt+Del fan. It was the first webcomic I ever read and I defended it the same way people are defending Willis right here. Looking back, I don't understand how I could ever read that piece of shit and its asshole of an author. I hope you can forgive me.
Except I am european. My parent had a whole collection of Prince Vaillant and I read them all several time when I was a kid.
I know about it. I enjoyed those story, but if I am being honest, I don't see why I should praise them more than DoA. I am not a comic Critique. I put comic in tow category: those I like and those I don't. And Ilike both Prince Vaillant andDoA. It's a simple as that. Both tell me stories that entertain me and this is all I ask.
>Hell, blaster nation even did a whole chapter as backstory to an asshole jaded dad and made him sympathetic. You know, to give a reason to his behavior besides "he's a bigot"
Sometime, a asshole is just an asshole.there is no obligation to make all villain sympathetic.Sometime, a Villain can just be villainous. I don't need a sad backstory to enjoy Red Skull or Emperor palatine and i don't need a sad backstory to enjoy Toedad.
There were several threads while that stupid chase sequence was going on, pointing out the various ways that at least most of the characters should've died due to their own stupidity, and how the bridge appeared and reappeared as if by magic. People with actual knowledge of how vehicles and physics work got pretty damn pissed off at how badly Willis was fucking things up.
I used to like CAD as well. It took that stupid "Gamecube is dead" strip
>pointing out the various ways that at least most of the characters should've died
I was in there too, and they couldn't provide any convincing argument.
the most blaffing one was how Amber should have suffered whiplash because her hed still is under the effect of momentum, yet thy assumed the back had tobe freezed and not move and not be under the effect of momentum for that to work.
*that stupid "Gamecube is dead" strip for to realise Bum Tickley had no taste
And yeah, this guy is just going to respond to every single one of our arguments with a "NUH-UH! Willis is as good as Hal Foster, and he did literally nothing wrong!" as shown in >>77684938
I'm convinced we're dealing with a troll here. Pretty good troll, but a troll nontheless.
I am not a Troll. I am simply seeing people complaining that a Villain is acting villainiously.
and people complaining that some parents in DoA are assholes because somehow that is not allowed and that somehow that make Willis hate all parents.
None of those critic make actual sense.
so she trains herself to chase cars down on skateboards and throw grappling hooks all the time? There is a big difference to a billionaire training themselves versus a poorfag training themselves,
Willis just wanted to take a joke and make it serious in his new universe and it's shit mate.
>you'd attract people who actually like it.
To be honest, I have been around from way before that.
I was there when Shortpacked was actally liked, I was there, when people strated to complain about the gay in it. I was there when people made a point of misunderstanding his Double stnadard Batman comic and see the the hateboner for Willis actually crystalize there. That day was the day Willis was considered redeemable and every opinion he formed had to be wrong.
I was there in every single thread were people made a point of not understanding what a strawman fallacy actually is while committing a fallacy fallacy themselves.
I have been there since the start. And I seem to be the only one remaining expressing a divergent opinion.
Fuck it, I'll post some screencaps and call it a day. To the dipshit who keeps arguing that up is down and Willis is good, I hope you're either a troll or somebody who can get some taste again.
It's your job as an artist to get that shit right, you can't NOT do that unless you don't want a job in the industry. Unless you're the chick who draws the unreadable squriel girl no idea how she gets work.
1st panel girl on the left is off and no in perspective
Once again, the forshortening is wrong here, the fountain is in more of a bird's eye view where as the character here seems to be at a different perspective.
this background here is incredibly flat for the last 3 panels
that second panel is bad, there's barely any movement to her here. mostly because her arm isn't foreshortened correctly so it looks stiff the rest of the action here is good though, especially that third panel.
It was worse on shortpacked back when that was posted on toy a lot. Basically, he lacks a few of the basics of understanding in art, but he is capable of doing it. He does however get it wrong a lot.
This reflects on his work as a whole though, he's capable of doing good work, but he does not improve significantly. It's because he doesn't take critcism well, and gets very defensive about his work, which is also the reason he gets a lot of hate from people.