Animated competently, 1980's style is O B J E C T I V E L Y better.
Invader Zim and Shadow the Hedgehog were all from that era
80s style is fucking stiff shit with no personality.
For that matter 90s style in OPs pic is bullshit. Look at how different every 90s nicktoon looks
Also while I admire his skill as an animator, I've never liked Harry's style.
For that matter 10 cartoons in that list do indeed look pretty bland since AT came out, except Gravity falls.
But AT at least had the charm of representing children sketches at the beginning of the series.
> wants to discuss animation
> posts still image
Honestly, the 90s were too DREAMWORKS FACE for my liking, even when I was a kid living through them.I prefer what the kids have these days.
Nothing of value came form that decade
>20 year difference
>Rounder eyes vs ovals
>Flatter hair vs floofier hair
>No shoulders vs shoulders
>Wart nose vs oblong nose
>Shallow mouth vs deep mouth
>Ear outline vs ear detail outline
>No elbow vs elbow
>No shoulder vs shoulder
>No neck vs with nect
>Cylinder arms vs arms with muscle outline
>Sausage fingers vs skeletal outline
>Chest abdomen cylinder body vs chest abdomen separation
After two decades, it's become simple.
This >>77662627 , everything is just dumbed down, simpler, more accessible. Also it's easier to make, you need less illustrators and animators if everything is fat. And fatness is accepted social norm nowadays so you can get away with it while making more money.
So, to sum up:
> population is dumber
> population is fatter
> business needs to increase profits while lowering cost
That's not necessarily true. Many of the shows you listed have good animation. Also, the animation of pic related is god tier imho.
I tend toward realism when drawing and I don't like Tumblr noses at all but I really prefer the more modern, simple models for cartoons. It's easier on the eyes when animated.
The old 90s stuff is more realistic and still frames look more interesting, but the animation in TV runs was usually pretty stiff compared to AT or OTGW, and regardless of muh Tumblr I feel like the style has legitimate charm when used by someone who knows what he's doing.
I also dislike cartoons made in that angular Hanna-Barbera look, it always struck me as lifeless with the exception of Samurai Jack because SJ had great artistic direction to compensate.
Around the late 90's, Hannah Barbera stopped trying to imitate Disney/Comic Books and started going with more stylized characters. This made animation faster/cheaper/more consistent/accessible and even more reliant on writing and cinematography than on off-model takes and visual slapstick.
Oh. I got it mixed up. It has decent animation imho and God tier art. That is what I meant. Also, the other shows you listed have pretty good animation too. I don't see why you're so angry. In your opinion, which animated show has the best art?
It's not fluid or beautiful but I've seen a lot worse is what I meant. Compared to /co/ standards it's not good but by mainstream standards, I think it holds up. There is a lot more crappy, harder to look at animation out there. **Allen Gregory**.
Anon, I think you might be getting a bit too angry about opinions on taiwanese cave painting websites again.
>trends dont exist
cherry picking would be choosing the outliers
00s trend was thick lines and angular shapes
i didnt want people to call me out on putting 2 McCraken shows on there
there was another trend in the late 2000s
and all the claski csupo shows had the same style but thats to be expected
are we just going to ignore the fact that only one out of the five cartoons on the bottom were any good?
The eyes are a bit too far apart in the 2010's one.
The only one with eyes that far apart is Clarence, and he's meant to look retarded.
The others have their eyes closer together, or is AT, which doesn't really count because the artstyle in that show is way different to the other 4.
I agree there were trends, but that's also because all of those shows were outsourced to the same handful of studios, and that matters much more than people would like to admit. They'd all look alike because, just like Klasky Csupo, they were all drawn and animated by the same people overseas.
Nowadays, the common thread is flash/toonboom production. There are some things that those programs just do better, and that's guiding design. It's the tail wagging the dog.
>shitty flat geometrical designs
>stiff jittery "anime" rip offs
What was going on back then?
The only well designed cartoon on that chart is the proud family.
Proud Family is really well animated, especially the faces. Its willing to go off model and exaggerate but saves it for important times. It also has very fluid movement.
Wow, somewhere after the 80's and 90's, animation went to hell. My opinion, flash killed it. And because an entire generation of animators were brought up on flash as the "new medium" for animation, that lack the discipline older animators have for design and detail.
>flash killed it
That's certainly part of it. Computers in general made animation quicker and easier at the expense of quality. Lowering the learning curve makes discipline less necessary, allowing projects to tolerate laziness more.
>Implying that shit hasn't been outsourced to the cheapest Asians anyone can get on payroll for ages
Other than big wig movie studios, there aren't really animators making cartoons in America. Production crews for your average cartoon focus on the story, music, storyboards and writing, and voice acting rather than the pain in the ass that animation is. Flash just made their jobs easier, because of course they aren't going to painstakingly draw it by hand when there is an alternative.
I'm tired of people bashing the 00s. They always bring up 2006-2009 when they say "they sucked". Bieber, iPhones, social media, Hannah Montana, Jersey Shore, etc. are 2006-2009, not 2000-2005.
2000-2005 awesome, like the 90s
Remember that now.
>not posting the better 80s
my waifu! how nice.
.still missing the 00s though.
>posting the version not done by japanese animators
i have that one too, just not the correct expression.
those were by japanese artists? are you sure they were not made by korean or french artist
that's the thing about 80s shows, they were so inconsistent and only looked good when the japanese did work on them, few of them were entirely commissioned in japan like the D&D cartoon of the Pole Position cartoon.
yeah, it gave me troubles when i was trying to draw her 10 years ago.
here's my favorite, more womanly than 'cute".
fair enough, but hey, at the least i can still tell them apart, i been drawing cleo for awhile.
also i did the 2 80s pictures.
good for you. oh well, im going back to drawing board.
>2000-2005 awesome, like the 90's
Also nice quad dubs
>What would a 00's look like?
Giant heads with small bodies, wearing T-shirts and pants of solid colours.
My example is Timmy but other cartoons has the same style.
Why hate the 2000s, I remember that it had soe pretty good cartoons, and bad ones, just like any other decade. Also, the recession made studios take less risks and cut back money in general, which is why there was a lot of shit in the late 2000s. The early and mid 2000s were pretty good. I mean in this image alone, I can honestly say Avatar was among the best Western cartoons ever made. Teen Titans, Megas XLR, Foster's, KND, FoP, etc. -- there is some good shit here.
Also, I can't be the only one who was raised in the 2000s, are all of y'all like 25+?
did you actually capture your own screenshots?
>flipping the mouths on the TD pic to make it look more unnatural
For what purpose
yes, from that DVD pack from shout factory, they're a bit off though.
maybe you should make a tumblr blog sharing screenshots of cleo, they could be useful
It's okay to have preferences, but it's pretty obvious that there's nostalgia-fueled bias. Especially since there's some slight cherry picking going on and it seems like he deliberately chose expressive shots for the 90's and blank stares for the 10's. I know SU tends to be pretty expressive despite it's simplistic face style.
Also while I liked a lot of 90's shows as a kid with that style, I always hated that type of face.
Neither of those character designs actually look aesthetically appealing under either aesthetic, though.
Design is more than just a level of detail; it's what you focus on that draws the audience's eye, how the characters move and how they interact with the world. Both Steven Universe and Darkwing Duck look good in their respective shows because they were designed around their respective art aesthetics.
The 2010 examples are all children, and the actual art for 1990s doesnt line up to the examples, where the humans aren't nearly as exaggerated. The art better fits 2005ish era animation a la Kim Possible and w/e
Have fun with your stiff drawings then
Asymmetry is the key to breathing life into illustration, animation, and even composition
Intentional Symmetry can be used to convey a certain mood, however.
You can't find too many similarities and even OP's examples are cherry picking.
What's it like being blind
I was raised in the 2000's and I still remember it being mostly shit up till around 2007.
I mean there were shows that were decent and even a few that were good, but nothing like Gargoyles and Darkwing Duck or Avatar and Gravity Falls.
total drama island
samurai jack (in the flat and angular way, i know it was lineless)
my gym partner's a monkey
johnny bravo, though it was more the later seasons
puffy ami umi
the three shows i posted probably set the trend
>Phineas and Ferb in the 2010s.
The story behind it is that Bajeet was originally supposed to be a very minor character. Once they cast an actor for him, they promoted him to a main character because they found the voice to be so funny. He ended up taking Irving's place in the group.
Was this posted to advocate in favor of 1990's?
Cause I think that style disgusting to look at when used in humans.
Even Harry's version makes me want to puke in my mouth, it's so fucking hideous.
It falls so hard on the uncanny valley that it might as well wear parachutes. Robotic looking grotesque humanoids.
As for the modern cartoons, not only they look great for cartoons (hint that something is human but have no anatomical accurate part clashing with gross cartoony eyes, noses and mouth and let the brain do it's work) but also animate a thousand times better.
>that feeling knowing Iwao Takamoto did most of H-B's human characters in the 70's and up to the 80's.
>that feeling of massive Japan outsourcing in the 80s to coincide with the rise of Bubblegum Crisis
animaniacs and bonkers, as well as many 90s cartoons with thinner/whacky characters was insanely guilty of "noodle-arms". just reminding you all.
Also, the simpler a model, the easier it is to animate. If you want animation to die, then by all means, push for the more complex models.
>'why was this posting to advocate for X????'
>advocates for Y to make up for it
it still looks like shit, nice hot opinions. Good luck finding someone who genuinely agrees with you on that other than 'i-its cheaper to make!'.
When people say Evangelion saved anime in the 90s they aren't lying.
is there really anything more 90s than obari and kotobuki
everything I said still applies. cartoons nowadays are mostly as boring and bland as it gets when to artstyles it comes to, and the main aesthetic a show possesses greatly influences its own feel and weight as much as its style of animation.
go ahead and tell me you're able to go completely unphased watching ATLA/LOK and not even notice the world of difference it has in contrast to, say, Clarence.
You would have a point if the art style were all that mattered in a show. South Park looks like garbage but it constantly pulls out quality episodes. Art is just something to look at. It isn't substance. It can enhance a work, but it isn't the end all be all. Shit like this thread is stuff that retards like you use to justify your nostalgia
Sorry I didn't base my arguments off rules that apriori determine I qualify as a 'nostalgia fag' to you and as such this argument served no purpose other than ending up with you pulling out ad hominems out of fucking nowhere as last resort to justify the fact that modern cartoons do, in fact, look like hot shit.
I get that you are rustled because a show has sjw shit but that doesn't mean that you need to be retarded anon
Nah, 80's and early 90's anime quality was the best, Evangelion just came and fagged it up, it's hugely responsible for the prevalence of so many garbage tropes.
Beta MC, condescending bitch, ice girl, kids saving the world and so on, although I enjoyed the show itself, I do not like the impact it had.
>None of those shots look even remotely pleasing either imho
Well your honest opinion is shit and just driven because of the fact that "everyone else hates the show, I might as well do the same"
How can they not look pleasing? They are colorfull, well drawn and sure as hell look much more artsy than 80's or 90's cartoons
not that it's necesary for them to be like that but it's a good touch for this show
>thanks for pushing forward the image limit
We are only at 41 images and this thread is almost dead
Congrats anon, you are the most retarded poster in this thread
I really hope the thread ended now so as to make it easier for me to sleep knowing someone made a SU fan write a literal essay over absolutely nothing worth anyone's time: a batch of cherrypicked screenshots with a predominance of pink and green, lovingly seasoned with 'I bet you never watched the show and are pretending to dislike it' projecting, and some shit about pushing forward the image limit despite not having even implied the thread was that active to begin with.
How is it that he picks cartoons for each that are not at all similar in art style passed maybe steven/clarence then draws a picture that looks nothing like a culmination of those styles
what the fuck is he trying to say? hes blind or he can't draw?
>emo and goth revival
>basic flash animation that switches to crazy the style of mid 00' anime boom
I know it came out in 2010 but this really was the perfect parody of the decade
Why must so many retards act like they understand of art or animation? Adventure Time and Steven Universe's art are superior in any aspect to regular 80/09's shit that wasn't god tier (read Chuck Jones).
Stop being butthurt cause things are good.
And the 80s was actually a step up from the 70s, animation wise.
Thinking about it animation started taking its nosedive at around the mid 60s, which I guess was the moment studios realized that adults were basically over cartoons and kids didn't give a shit about production value.
That's my impression, though. I won't pretend I'm a historian or anything.
Hold the fuck up. Are you trying to tell me the quality of animation of Lodoss was actually good? Have you watched that shit? You're lucky if they did the key frames for some of the scenes.
The character designs were top fucking notch anyway.
I prefer shit animation that actually looks good to smoothly animated shitty drawings.
Not who you're replying to, but that's my two cents.
The 90's one reminds me of Johnny Test, which I'm guessing isn't the intended effect of that image.
Doesn't even try to look like Rintaro's women either.
Christ I loved Rintaro's women.
>And the 80s was actually a step up from the 70s, animation wise.
Oh, no, certainly. I'm just saying there is a lot of praise for the look of the 80s in this thread, and a lot of people shitting on the 90s for being wackier in design. I can only assume most of them haven't ever seen any of the cartoons in those pictures.
Why we dont look it from a different angle......
For some it's also a preference to art quality over animation quality.
Having been born in 89 I grew up with 80s and 90s cartoons, and while the 90s animation was smoother, I always thought the 80s cartoons looked better overall.
Get your eyes checked. Johnny Test didn't have near the level of expression and deformation as that image has, because Johnny Test is badly animated in Flash instead of hand-drawn.
I dare you to find even one screenshot from Johnny Test that resembles that image.
I know you're probably not here, but I agree. Animation in the standard cartoon has been watered down to easily drawn doodles originally just seen in webcomics and in the margins of school textbooks.
This says little for the quality of the writing, but if a cartoon isn't pleasing to look at then at the end of the day it's only done half its job.
Tiny Toons did more then Eva.
That show's art style was based on My Life As A Teenage Robot.
I was hoping pic related would become the new norm but guess I'll keep on dreaming
>CGI becomes widely accessible
>only select artists actually use its full range with incredible stylized designs
>Gendy still not getting his projects
>Gendy still not getting his projects
>his career ended because he didn't sell enough toys for CN
Well, at least we got a cute goth out of the deal.
I probably liked 40's American animation the best. Private Snafu, Popeye (early Famous Studios), and Elmer Fudd are some of my favorite animated humans.
If someone saw The Brave Little Toaster (1987) at any time now or in the future without knowing when it was made, what do you think they'd guess? The music and visuals are pre-Pixar gold, timeless as can be (grand, orchestral), with only the "Cutting Edge" song toward the film's end dropping many hints about "current" stuff. It sort of looks like the more experimental and stylized animation from the 60's, but it's way too fluid/shaded. And the way it moves sort of looks like higher-budget 90's work, but rounder, softer, and not rebellious or rough at all. Where does this film even fall, stylistically?
>By 2020 anime girls are gonna go full Final Fantasy Tactics.
I am okay with this
That's all I could think of, too. It looks like a living, breathing vision of Pixar's 2D concept art. Not quite UPA levels of "Picasso", but sort of a re-imagining of the style, that keeps the good stuff UPA left out, like some facial wrinkles and details around the eyes/mouths, but only as much as is needed for the character to look "just right." The old Pixar sketches have a sort of warm and classic feeling, between very detailed old cartoons, and the sometimes sterile, modern work in the 50's and 60's. The old Pixar style is almost timeless, now that I look closely.
>there are people who'll never know a time in which airport security didn't really give a fuck, politicians had to find excuses other than terrorism to erode people's rights and nobody even knew what a Muslim was
I don't honestly know if you're better or worse off. That time between the fall of the Soviet Union and 9/11 was a special time, when people actually thought things might be getting better. Now we just expect things to be shit or get worse.
>Smaller noses are perceived as being cuter. The smallest you can get with the nose still existing is a dot.
Or no nose at all, which is what happens with a lot of chibi characters.
Big head, big eyes, small mouth, no nose.
Same. That game was and is fucking beautiful. SNES has some of the games that have aged the best (Yoshi's Island, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Super Metroid, and Mario RPG being some of my favorites.)
McCracken and Tartakovsky were an inseparable duo in the 90's. They were both art directors, storyboard artists, and writers for eachothers' shows.
Dexter's lab is as much McCracken's show as it is Tartakovsky's; the same can be said for The Powerpuff Girls
Most cartoons today are just better than what we had in the 90's and late 80's. They have more fluid and consistent animation, actual story arcs and character development, are allowed to go dark and be more serious when the situation calls for it.
that anon may have put his point like shit but regardless I don't understand how anons regard SU as ugly.
It's no visual spectacle but it's certainly not ugly. I guess the character designs are odd but the backgrounds are fine
man oban star racer is an underrated treasure, and was what got me interested in french animation.
Through Oban, you start seeing a lot of their design aesthetics in other french cartoons, like code lyoko or wakfu. It's interesting how that works.
It's not actually. GF backgrounds are just gorgeous.
The way people talk about modern cartoons, you'd think it wasn't just some new shows.
You'd think the cartoons that came previous represented some archaic stratified order, and the new shows are a revolution bringing about a new age of... something.
Now why would that be the case?
>awesome, like the 90s
The 90s was lame.
Look! No nose! No nose!
How many shows have animated backgrounds, though? More than light effects and stuff like that, I mean.
Pic related. Some of these were used for a couple of seconds at most.
Gravity Falls background's not only can stand on it's own feet, but when compared to the mayority of animated shows right now they look amazing.
Gravity Falls is damn beautiful.