>Arrow >The Flash >Super girl >Gotham >SHIELD

The Flash already did.

>>77640589
Yes.
Daredevil Season 2: The Frankening

>>77640589
wat

Gotham > Flash > Arrow > Supergirl > Daredevil > S.H.I.T.

>>77640589
If daredevil didn't have such a shit villan maybe it would be as good as those shows.

>>77640745
>Supergirl, Gotham and Arrow
>Better than Daredevil
Some shit taste there bud

>>77640791
Gotham is better than Arrow, Supergirl, and Daredevil combined m8.

>>77640589
Even Jessica Jones was better than Daredevil

>>77640745
>>77640825
Funny way to spell agents of shield. It's what superhero shows should aspire to.

Jessica Jones was close. Not as much fun as DD but edges over it as "art".

Flash and that one Constantine episode on Arrow did.

Flash > Daredevil

DC Shill, but I love Daredevil more than Flash. Got 200+ DD issues and only about 50 Flash.

Can we stop with the AoS is shit meme? It hasn't been true since the Winter Soldier reveal which was almost 3 seasons ago now..

>>77640851
bad bait

>>77640881
As soon as we stop with the "daredevil was good" meme.

>>77640890
This entire thread is bad bait.

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESLEY

>>77640881
This is /co/, you're not allowed to like Marvel stuff here.

Flash is awesome. But I wouldn't put it on my list of must watch greatest TV ever like I would with Daredevil. Flash still feels like a network or almost 90s TV show like Buffy or sometimes Smallville. DD I would say is some of the best television ever made, up there with The Wire & Breaking Bad.

>>77640924
Except /co/ worships anything with the MCU name. Fuck, they even loved Thor.

>>77640928
>The Wire
>Breaking Bad
>good

i want facebook to leave

>>77640924
If marvel wasnt shit then you could like them tbqh

>>77640967
lol dkeks. Have to crowbar shitty tween drama for them to like anything.

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>>77640589

DC Fag here

The Flash > DareDevil > Contantine > Agent Carter > Gotham > Jessica Jones AKA THE DOCTOR RAPES EVERYONE SHOW > Supergirl > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit > Agents of Shield

So why do people like Jessica Jones? She's just a cheating whore with an uninteresting comic book written by Brian Michael Bendis of all people.

>Muh purple man
One shotted by Jessica 'in my ass' Jones with the power of Jean Grey

>>77641057
>DC Fag here
I wonder if opinion is biased.

Nope.
>shit > Agents of Shield
Just ignorant.

Not enough Lawyers antics

>>77641100
N-N--N-N-N-nOoo you have to keep watching until the 3rd season :-DD that's when it gets G-G--GOOD!

Doesn't matter how good it was. That ending was pure shit. Same for JJ.
It was like eating a five star meal and in the final bite, you find a hair.

>>77641130
You got even that wrong. You have to keep watching first season for it to get good.

>>77641130
He's going to reply saying the second half of season 1 is when it gets good. I personally wouldn't know.

>>77640928
>People actually think DD is as good as the Wire

Absolutely disgusting. Daredevil tries too hard to be like the Wire but does not have even a fraction of the writing to pull it off.

>>77641130
>it gets G-G--GOOD!
no, it gets BETTER.
Like, from liquid diarrhea to shit.

>>77640589

As a Red Batman fan this shit was pretty boring

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>>77640928
>DD I would say is some of the best television ever made, up there with The Wire & Breaking Bad.

The Flash is shit. I don't get why anyone likes that soap opera.

Everything you like is shit

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESLEY

>>77641213
You don't get laid, but I'm assuming you can see the appeal.

>>77641213
People love Flash because it's DC.

You see when it comes to MARVEL (especially the movies) they say ''WHY DON'T MARVEL TAKE ITSELF SERIOUSLY LIKE DC DOES. FUCKING SJWS AMIRIET?''

But when it comes to DC, no matter what they do, will do, or did /co/ is going to approve. Because they're fucking contrarians.

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By virtue of being cape-related, the quality of these shows automatically decreases.

As a result, none of them will ever truly be "good" by traditional standards, no matter what /co/ says, and they all know it.

However that doesn't matter, as some of these shows are fun to different people here. In fact, each and every one of them has the potential to be fun to watch.

Stop trying to bait /co/ for opinions, they already have it in their minds what they like, and nothing will change that; just like you do OP.

Just enjoy what you like, and stop wasting your life trying to get angry responses from people.

>>77640589
Daredevil>Gotham>Constantine>Arrow>Agent Carter>Flash>S.H.I.E.L.D.>Dogshit>Supergirl

>>77641336
How's Bizarro /co/? Weather's nice?

Because that which you describe sure as all sky is blue ain't this /co/.

Daredevil > Gotham = Jessica Jones > All the other shitty shows.

>>77641379
Oh, I haven't watched Constantine so I don't know if it is good or bad.

>>77640589
Daredevil = Jessica Jones > The Flash > iZombie > Gotham = Supergirl > SHIELD > Dirt > Worms > Shit > Hitler's rotting corpse > Arrow

>>77640825
Imagine being so objectively wrong.

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>>77641499
You don't have to.

>>77641057
>anything being worse than Gotham

>>77641341
Beautiful, anon! Well said!

superhero show are the new crime drama its fucking everywhere it wouldn't bother so much if they made a show center around a criminal or villain like punisher or magento

The Flash = Daredevil > Gotham > Jessica Jones > AoS > Arrow > Supergirl

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESLEY

>>77641341
Bravo

Jessica Jones is decent but fails before Daredevil.
Flash is shit, the rest is worse than shit.
Daredevil is still the King.

>>77641619
I'd like a Rogues show!

>>77640909

THANK YOU WESLEY

>>77641762
You can't really compare Flash to the Netflix shows. That's like comparing any Flash run (Silver Age to present) to Miller Daredevil and Bendis Alias. Objectively the latter is better, but the former is a lot more enjoyable.

>>77641699
This desu

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESLEY

Jessica Jones very well might if I like the rest of the season as much as the first two episodes.

>>77641955
>Miller DD is less enjoyable than Infantino Flash
Nope. Guess you've never read. Why does everyone assume it's 100% srs bznz

>>77641762
This, basically.

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>>77640589

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>>77642581

>rating Gotham above anything

Obvious bait is obvious.

>>77642690
Lucifer is just around the corner.

>>77642482
It has light moments, but it's some pretty dark stuff! I loved Miller's Daredevil! Some of the most fun stuff in that run includes Turk and the issue when Foggy went undercover. Flash is just a lot more "out there" which is always great in my opinion.

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESLEY

So you guys think DD will get a new couch next season? I imagine he wore last season's couch out. He spends a lot of time there, so maybe he should get a sleeper or a futon.

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>>77640881

>>77641406
Probably the best one in this thread

I miss Wesley
;_;
Fuck Blondie

>>77640589
Yes a version of DD where all the Foggy and True Blood girl are cut out of it.

Those two where so ancillary to the plot they make the Incest Twins seem relevant

>>77641057
What's the appeal of Jessica Jones anyways? She has no costume, is just strong, and her sole purpose of creation was for interracial relationship.

>>77643420
Fuck you I love Foggs

>>77643420
I hated how Karen killed Wesley. It was such bad writing, just making Wesley a fucking retard and leaving his loaded gun in the middle of the table. Was so out of character.

>>77643431
And the sole purpose of your creation is to gimme dat booty, but it doesn't mean others will see it that way.

Different perspectives man, I just enjoy strong women shows.

>>77643420
>Foggy is ancillary to a DD story
Fuck off casual. The arc wasn't good but Foggy still should have a major role.

>>77640589
Not as long as they are held back by the FCC and femenist agenda!

>>77643520
I'm just wondering because I've never read anything with Jessica Jones in it besides an Avengers tpb a long time ago. It just seemed her powers and shtick were pretty bland.

>>77640745
Don't be stupid.

Daredevil > Late Gotham > JJ > Flash > Arrow > Early Gotham > Agents of Shit = Supergirl

>>77640851
This. I wish literally anyone had kept watching up to Winter Soldier's release.

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>>77641619
>villain like punisher
Nobody this handsome can be a villain, at most he can be a Frank!

>>77643420
Foggy was there to humanize Matt. He ended up being extremely likable.

And every character was relevant to the plot.

>>77643662
>He ended up being extremely likable.
Does he? He made me fucking cringe hard in episode 1.

>>77643431
>her sole purpose of creation was for interracial relationship
>>/tv/
>>/pol/
>>/out/

>>77640745
Good god, i cant even imagine living in your world.

>>77643710
How's it not true? What's interesting about her? Every comic book cover I see with her is just normal clothes with her baby.

>>77640745
Absolutely delusional pedo detected.

>>77642581
I honestly forgot that was a thing. Ha.

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESLEY

The only redeeming quality of the DC shows is hype moments. Other than that they're full of shit acting and writing, bland direction, stupid and incoherent plot, terrible soap opera drama and bad characterisation. They're nowhere near as good as the Netflix shows.

I've not watched izombie.

>>77644018
Some of the acting on Flash is pretty good. Especially Jesse L. Martin and Tom Cavanagh. Even Grant Gustin can really bring it from time to time.

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESLEY

>>77644018
This.

Flash and Arrow have some really cool singular moments, but everything in between those moments is cringe-inducingly bad.

>>77640589
Daredevil was okay, but not great. Too much of the show was devoted to side plots that went nowhere (anything involving Foggy for example), and nothing any of the heroes did mattered. They could have sat around on their asses the whole time and Owlsly would still have taken down Fisk. And speaking of Fisk, what was even his big plan? Gentrification?

>>77644314
I think the superheroes scenes in Flash and the friendship and fathers relationship stuff is alright. The romance stuff is cringe though. Arrow suffers even more from this.

>>77644018
gotham

>>77644418
>The romance stuff is cringe though
It's the CW curse.

>>77644427
IZombie is the only show that managed to break it. The romance stuff is actually good!

>>77644420
Everyone completely forgets it exists.
Probably cause lolfox

Why is Arrow so bad?

>>77644469
People forget it because it's a garbage show that thought changing characters all willy nilly like making Barbara Gordon a lesbian serial killer would be a good idea.
Fuck that worthless piece of shit.

>>77644018
The Marvel Netflix shows are poorly written garbage with inadequate budget and decompressed stories with an air of pretentiousness to them. DC shows are not high art either but at least they fully admit and even embrace what they are while DD and JJ are just trying too hard.

>>77644379
Basically, yes. He wanted to fix Hell's Kitchen his own way after seeing his father fail at it, almost like he had something to prove. But his methods were questionable, which led to his downfall and descent into full-on evil.

>>77644479
Guggenheim. Kreisberg jumped ship to join Flash.

>>77644469
It's literally the best cape show there is.

>>77644494
>he never watched it

>>77644499
I agree. I don't think Jessica Jones needed 13 episodes. 10 would have sufficed.

>People putting Flash anywhere near Daredevil's level
>When every fucking episode is

>Start, small talk of last episode's shit
>Small drama
>Suddenly metahuman attacks
>Flash goes to stop them, is retarded and loses despite having powers that would easily defeat them
>Barry angsts a bit, bigger drama happens for 30 minutes straight
>Last 10 minutes
>Barry goes to fight metahuman again, someone from the team says "YOU CAN DO IT" and BarryWinsLol
>Ominous ending hinting to next week's episode

Every fucking time.

>>77644627
>people putting Daredevil anywhere near Flash's level

its just fucking Marvel trying to pander to the drooling Breaking Bad audience.

>>77644577
Even ten is pretty generous. Had this been a BBC show, you could have done JJ with maybe six, seven episodes. There's a lot of fat to be cut, and greatly streamlining the story would fix a lot of the pacing issues.

>>77644627
Sometimes they shake it up with non metas. Like Captain Cold, Heat Wave and Trickster. I do agree that I wish Barry didn't have to hear a "believe in yourself" speech all the time. I would never say Flash is objectively better than Daredevil. I certainly enjoy it a lot more. Just like I enjoy Batman 66 over Daredevil also. I think Daredevil is a better show, but I don't enjoy watching it as much as those shows.

>>77644627

It's a formulaic procedural that excels in what it does. Unlike DD that fails at telling an engaging 13 hour long story.

>>77644709
You're right. 13 worked for Daredevil, but that had a larger plot that benefited it. Jessica Jones was more personal and didn't need that much.

>>77644379
>They could have sat around on their asses the whole time and Owlsly would still have taken down Fisk.

Nah.

Fisk's control over the others was compromised by the constant shit DD and Foggy were causing.

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>>77640589
Not since the DC shows went full Aaron Spelling. Seriously at this point I prefer Smallville!

>>77644750
>It's a formulaic procedural that excels in what it does. Unlike DD that fails at telling an engaging 13 hour long story.

Except, it didn't fail. You are the only one who's telling that.

We're talking about a show which got 2 negative reviews out of hundreds which none of them say what you said.

You're a fucking faggot. Go kill yourself.

>>77644775
SOMEBODY SAAAVE MEE

>>77644449
Flash romance in on itself is not bad. It's the drama inherent to it that throws people off. But when it's just Barry and whatever his love interest in hanging out, it's usually fun.

>>77645132
That's true. The Barry and Patty "blind date" was cute.

>>77640589
Gotham is way better.
The second season is the best superhero shit since spawn.

>>77645199
/co/ just has a natural aversion to romantic entanglements because that's not what they're looking for, but sadly, the show has to cater to the teen girls at least a little bit. But the drama-free romance is pretty charming, even Caitlin/Ronnie was not bad even though it was bland as my mother-in-law's coffee.

>>77645238
I agree, but I liked the mob drama stuff from the first season a little better. Except for fucking Fish,

Season 1 was a lot more tense, while season 2 is a lot more frantic and over the top. I can't complain, though. It's been a blast. And Eddie's been absolute gold this whole season.


>>77645277
Probably because that was what ruined Smallville, and Arrow has been absolutely awful for that shit. Nobody wants another Smallville

>>77643420
Are you fucking serious?

>>77644018
Jesse L Martin and Calista Flockhart aren't bad but I'll concede your point.

I guess the point is Arrow, Flash, and Supergirl try to be cheesy, scenery chewing fun and the Netflix shows try to be real dramas.

The each scratch a different itch and which one is better depends on what you prefer. I personally like Daredevil the best, but that's because Matt's my favorite hero.

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>Gotham
>Better than anything

>>77644479
It's not, but a large segment of /co/ is still triggered from S3 and won't let it go.

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>>77644018
People say Flash is amazing but all I hear is ZOOOOOM all the time (or whatever else goes on in there right now)

>>77644499

>fully admit and even embrace what they are

Owning up to being horseshit doesn't make watching it any less bearable.

>>77645953
>being unable to recognize brilliant cinematography, set design, and costuming
>being unable to take pleasure in expressionist drama

i pity you

>>77646026

>Cinematography, set design and costuming

I'm not a fucking Theater major, so I don't watch TV shows for the pretty costumes and background.

>Expressionist drama

It's campy bullshit and highly predictable. Nowhere near Netflix's tier of storytelling.

>>77646004
I'm sorry you can't enjoy them. Pulpy trash entertainment has its place and when it's done right like in CW's case, it's very enjoyable. They're by far superior to Netflix's counterparts that completely blunder the opportunity to use the liberty that Netflix provides to produce anything even half way decent. It's impeccable how they are able to completely screw up by delivering these under financed, poorly decompressed stories that are riddled by awful execution, unacceptable level of filler, incomprehensible handling of subplots and overall atrocious pacing.

>>77646004
To each their own. It's pure Silver Age goodness mixed with modern comics at times.

>>77646154
>Nowhere near Netflix's tier of storytelling.

You mean stretching a story to its breaking point, forcing to implement horrific padding and side characters to eat up the run time, poorly developing side characters (who can even literally disappear for several episodes), rushing plot points to get the the next filler scene, and delivering tacked on climaxes where catharsis is akin to a curse word?

>>77646182
You are right on point! I enjoy the Netflix Marvel shows at times but it's a bit too "try-hard" a lot of the time.

>>77646154
>Who cares if I don't know what I'm talking about? It's a popcorn TV Show!

Opinion discarded. Precisely the kind of shit I'd expect from a Marveldrone.

>>77645995
Flash caters to comic fans. It takes all those little silly things that most of Hollywood would run away from and makes them work. That's part of it's charm and certainly why /co/ is gaga for it, but that's not the only thing it's got going for it.

The CW "teenage drama" shtick is awful, but they have great season arcs without making episodes seem filler or wastes of time. The actors are all competent overall and well written enough to make the characters come alive within their roles - it doesn't go out of it's way to focus on the supporting cast at the expense of the main story and it keeps the plot focused on the reason we watch: The Flash.

Cheesy fun, not campy.

>>77646154
>Only theatre majors can appreciate design
Fuck off

>>77646328
That's exactly why I love it!

Dude Daredevil was so boring.

Yeah, I get it. It's Netflix and it's big budget, but the story was just not there at all. It isn't even Daredevil. Matt Murdock is made out to be some righteous hero but in the comics, he's a devil. He has urges to hurt people and that's why he does what he does.

It started out well enough but the story just dragged on. The characters are shallow. The guy who's supposed to be Kingpin just overacts everything to the point where it's stupid.

Not to mention the ending was shit. They spent all those episodes building up only for a lackluster finale.

For all the hype this long movie had, I only managed to watch it once. Watching it again would just be wasting time because there really isn't any depth to the story at all.

Aside from that, Flash has done much better in my opinion. Flash has a lot of cheese at times but at least it's not boring.

>>77645995
Are we talking Zoooom as in the sound effect or the villain, because if it's the latter, it's like complaining that the only bad guy in DD is the Kingpin.

>>77646328
Flash caters to casuals. It gives people who don't read comics a feeling that they are enjoying comic book material when in reality it's a thin veneer over a CW drama

>>77646026
There are two kinds of critics: the kind who are so immersed in production and theory that they care about the novel and the meta, and the people who just care about the narrative.

Problem is both groups think they're talking about the same thing and can't understand why the other doesn't share their viewpoint.

It's like telling The Aristocrats joke. You either get it or you don't and your opinion of how funny it is depends entirely on that.

>>77646416
Shut up nerd.

>>77646389
>He has urges to hurt people and that's why he does what he does.

So just like the show?

>>77646328
The Flash PANDERS to comic fans. It doesn't cater to them,

>>77646470
Yeah, but people get triggered when you say that word and I didn't want it to turn into a shit show.

But you're absolutely correct.

>>77646356

I didn't say I didn't know how to appreciate it, you jackoff, I said that those elements alone aren't enough for me to be interested in a show.

You can have all the budget in the world spent on costumes and settings, but without a gripping story and characters, they might as well be dressed in garbage bags.

>>77646629
>"gripping story and characters"
>using yahoo-tier movie review buzzwords

this is how we know you're a pleb. I bet you watch Game of Thrones and thought Breaking Bad was the pinnacle of television

>>77646470
How so?

>>77640745
I have no idea where Gotham belongs on the list but Arrow belongs on the bottom, way below shield
And I'm talking season 2 Arrow, the one you guys said was good

>>77640745
Flash>daredevil>AoS>arrow>everything else
I don't watch Gotham, Supergirl, and JJ is just a bore to me

>>77646951
It's the very definition of pandering. It goes out of it's way to offer up comic related things, even if they don't offer anything to the plot.

I mean, when entire threads blow up with "THEY SAID THE THING", you kinda know you're being pandered to. It's not bad, it's just what it is.

>>77646960
>arrow
>worse than shield

I know its bad but wew lad it ain't agents of SHIT bad

>>77647082
Agents of shield has great movie quality actors and doesn't have all the endless relationship bullshit drama arrow has.

>>77647136
>Agents of shield has great movie quality actors

kek

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izombie>daredevil>JJ>flash>shield>arrow>supergirl

>>77647623
I'd want her to masturbate with my brains and eat them.

>>77640917
this.

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESLEY

>>77646416
Yeah, okay. Keep trying to sound like you're so smart.

>>77647064
Cape comics do this all the time.

>>77647623
what is the point in a lab coat if you wear it like that
still hot af though. with the labcoat i mean.

>>77647064
No, that's not what Flash does. I've seen other cape shows do this. Arrow does it. Flash doesn't! Flash usually pays off those references and "they said the thing" moments.

This scene could have just been a fun nod and nothing else. Nope, literally the next episode/season has Jay and Earth 2 as integral part of Season 2. Same goes for Grodd. They kept teasing him and delivered. It applies for the Flash ring and museum too! One day those will all pay off!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3WNruGergk

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESLEY

>>77640589
For me, a supreme DCfag, it is objectively:
Daredevil>Flash>Gotham>Arrow>Jessica Jones>iZombie>SHIELD>Supergirl

>>77640601
You mean The Flash is no longer a shitty soap opera with barely 5-6 minutes of capeshit in wich every episode the answer to any problem comes down to:
Barry: hey guys, how fast do i gotta run in order to [insert way to beat villain here]
Guys in Starlabs: really really fast Barry, we belive in you!

>>77651114
It's sappy!

Daredevil > Flash > Jessica Jones > AoS > WWE Programs> Arrow

I don't watch Gotham after 10 episodes of complete Fox Shit, and the pilot for Supergirl was so bad the second time around that I can't bring myself to watch any more than that.

>>77640955
>Quip quip quip quip quip quip
That's literally 25% of angry posts about the MCU in all threads.

>>77651114
The formula works for the show. Mess with it too much and you might get Arrow Season 3.

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESLEY

>>77644297
>Jesse L. Martin
John Ship is also ridiculously good.

>>77651680
A lot of great guest stars too. Wentworth Miller, Robert Knepper, Liam McIntyre, Mark Hamill, Clancy Brown, Michael Ironside etc.

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESELY

>>77640909
AS YOU WISH

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>>77651759
Why is Miller so fucking good

>>77652128
Because he LOVES being a supervilian!

Does Daredevil show up in Jessica Jones, or is it just her and Luke?

>>77652432
nurse bitch shows up, mentions daredevil

>>77640837
I haven't finished it yet, but what?

If so, then I might binge watch it tonight.

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESLEY

>>77653303
I preferred Daredevil but that's just personal preference, both are excellent and well made. .

>>77640601
The Flash is mediocre garbage with the exception of Harrison Wells and cop dad.

>>77644751
No, every episode of Daredevil felt like it was wasting time to pad out the episodes. But Jessica Jones could've used some cutting down too.

>>77644751
To be honest I dont think 13 worked that great for Daredevil either. It dragged towards the end and most of the really good stuff was near the beginning, particularly in terms of action. Nothing that came after compared to the hallway one-shot.

>>77652969
They're probably saving the DD cameo for Luke Cage or just waiting for Defenders.

Jessica Jones> Daredevil> Gotham> iZombie> SHIELD> Constantine> The Flash> Arrow> Supergirl

>>77640909
Thank you wesley

>>77653406
NOOOOOOOO!!!!

>>77640589
Daredevil is the Iron Man 1 of TV superheroes.

>The "first" modern TV hero
>Leads into new universe
>Even if later shows come out and are better, DD will get top billing as the best.

I really like Flash and Daredevil.

I'm really liking Jessica Jones and Gotham (watching them now).

I can't get into Arrow at all.
I can occasionally watch some of AoS, but I never stick with it.
I never had interest in Constantine.

Supergirl felt just awful, but I didn't watch beyond the pilot.

>>77640909
thank you Wesley

>>77640837
Wow

In these shitposting threads you guys always forget about Izombie

>>77640589
JJ>DD>AoS>Flash>Arrow=Gotham(stopped watching Gotham)>>>>>>Super girl

The Flash did.
It plays and references things for the fans and is better for it.
Daredevil is only better if you don't read comics and go to /tv/.

>>77640589
Daredevil really kinda get worse in the second part of season, the best fight was in episode 2 nothing come even close later and that fight with Kingpin was just lame.
Daredevil has super senses and he fight ninjas but he cant dodge a slow giant fat man charging at him
kek

>>77658026
>references are better than good writing

you are the cancer of comics

>>77658245
Except you are assuming The Flash has bad writing and DD has good writing.
I am saying the reason the Flash is better is because it's an adaptation fans would like. DD is easier to get into and enjoy for non comic fans.
Also you can't say successfully knowing the viewer and catering towards them doesn't take skillful writing.

I love the amount of people that havent even kept up with shield because the first episodes were bad but happily went through all that bullshit with arrow and flash.

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>>77658297
Oh, you only read capeshit.

I want a show that can stand on it's own, not be filled with references to a bunch of badly written garbage. Good writing is good writing, it shouldn't rely upon a bunch of other stuff before it. One of the reasons Jessica Jones is so good is because it has a tiny comic history and doesn't have to reference anything, it allowed the writers to craft a better story

>>77658154
I don't know if they indicated this in the show, but Kingpin has the reflexes of a man who's 2x less his size. Hell he rivals Spiderman to some extent.

They didn't do a good job showing this though.

I went back to try Daredevil and forgot I dropped it because he tortures people

and yet i don't care about barry's kill count

>>77658569
Not that anon, but I think Daredevil and Jessica Jones Are better shows objectively but I will always enjoy shows like Flash and Batman 66 more. Because they can go so campy and cheesy sometimes. I loved Daredevil and Jessica Jones, but I didn't really feel "wonder and joy" watching them.

>>77658569
>One of the reasons Jessica Jones is so good is because it has a tiny comic history and doesn't have to reference anything, it allowed the writers to craft a better story

I'm just starting jessica jones now. But I wouldn't say it's "great".

First episode was a drag; I had little reason to care about jessica, her sister, her tradgedy. Villain was ominous and un-specific. Ended with a cliffhanger that lays the foundations only for jessica's character arc, and doesn't make me want to watch more. We didn't see much of Jessica's drawing characteristics; like her superstrength used for much, and her investigation was solved by her own ptsd relation to the crime, rather than any actual investigation.

The most interesting thing about episode two was the relationship between jessica and luke cage growing. Half of the story is taken up a second plot arc we hardly care about, and exists only for the excuse of plot development between jessica and luke cage. Jessica's own arc about actually deciding to go after kill-graves, is a moot fucking point considering it's just a greater jump on what she decided in ep 1. (let alone that it's a capeshit adaptation. So it's to be fucking expected, in the first place) Her fear character arc makes no sense for the audience, as you're given no reason to fear killgraves, until the end of Ep.2. Making jessica fear killgraves, does not make him a strong villain.

You're right about good writing being good writing, but a self-contained world and lack of references has nothing to do with it. Daredevil was it's own story in a bigger world, and only suffered for it mid-season, where yakuza ninja's, and ominous evil war with blind teacher backstory. (but even those episodes aren't bad, it's just bad choice of content, not execution)

So far, it feels like Jessica Jones had to be paired with luke cage for the show to move forward with any kind of traction.

>>77658569
I know people who don't read or like cape comics at all but love both kinds of shows like the Netflix ones and Flash/ Arrow for all being varied and different.

The Flash = Daredevil > Jessica Jones
> Gotham = Agent Carter = Constantine > Arrow = Agents of SHIELD > iZombie >>>>>>>> Fear The Walking Dead >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Walking Dead

Supergirl is refuse to watch tier.

Gotham > Flash > Daredevil > Agent Carter > Arrow > Supergirl > Jessica Jones > Agents of S.H.I.T

>>77659049
>agents of shit

You know, you're just a contrarian. You either don't watch it anymore, never watched before, or you just like spouting memes.

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESLEY

>>77659074

Or I'm not a Marvelkek and can form an unbiased opinion on a horrid show.

>>77643792
Her character, perhaps?

You know, that thing that isn't superficial?

>>77658910
first episode is the worst episode of the season, give it more.

>>77659128
no, you clearly haven't watched season 2 or 3. Season 3 is easily the best cape show on network television. EASILY! They were balancing 4-5 story lines at once, and very well, and by episode 8 it all tied together very neatly.

>>77659155
I'm making my way through it. I just hope S2 DD stays just as strong as S1. Especially since I love the punisher.

If anything, all this has made me excited for luke cage. He's been the only consistently good thing so far.

Daredevil = Jessica Jones > Gotham > Flash Agent Carter > Agents Of Shield > Arrow

>>77644709
>Luke Cage is in this

Anon, it IS a BBC show.

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESLEY

>>77640589
Jessica Jones was better tbqh

Gotham is surprisingly good. I hated it at first and thought it was the worst thing ever made but i decided to keep watching and it ended up getting really good by the end of the season. The worst part of it is it being loosely related to batman, it would be great if it wasnt attached to that franchise.

>>77659656
same with AoS, which was even worse than Gotham at first, but it surpased anything besides the netflix shows

>>77659614
>>77659497

Jessica Jones had a very dissatisfying ending though. As soon as they didn't need Kilgrave alive it lost all tension. Honestly I think it was 5 episodes to long

>>77659760
I'll agree that the ending was kind of lame, hell, the last few episodes even. Really I thought the show was amazing until Kilgrave escaped the holding cell, then the show just kind of spun its wheels for the last few episodes.

Still, the ending to Daredevil wasn't so great either, aside from the whole "ill intent" bit.

JJ still slightly beats it out for me, but if it had ended about 3-4 episodes sooner it would be a clear victor.

>>77643792
So like, have you ever enjoyed a work of fiction that wasn't about power levels?

>>77641341
I disagree, because I feel that Daredevil deals well with the intrinsic flaw of being cape-related.

It overcame it with a few tricks though, like avoiding the hell out of the costume until the very end. Season 2 will be a true test.

>>77640909

THANK YOU WESLEY

>>77640928
jesus, DD is really good, but let's be realistic here.

literally a facebook/youtube/imdb tier opinion, out there with praising TDK as one of the GOAT movies

>>77640928

DD isn't even the best Netflix show m8.

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Jack Kirby approved tier:
Daredevil

Alan Moore actually smiled (we think) their:
JJ, iZombie, Agents of SHIELD s1e17-22-s2-s3, Flash, Arrow s2

Jim Shooter appreciates their female characters tier:
Arrow s1, Agents of SHIELD s1e1-16

Even Rob Liefield asks why this crap is still going tier:
recent Arrow, most of Gotham

Erica Henderson approved tier:
Supergirl

The biggest problem i have with the flash is if it was not for RF/Harrison Walls it would be just another CW soap opera with really bad romance. Daredevil on the other hand is much better i terms of writing and you don`t hear Karen or Foggy saying "Listen Matt... I believe in you" all the fucking time.

So:
Daredevil>The Flash>Jessica Johns>Agent Carter>Arrow>AoS>Gothem

>>77643792
Did you not read her original comic? I admit, I was never interested in her before the show, but I went back and binged on it. It's pretty good before the whole baby thing, but I guess it's good closure for her. Jess wanting to live a normal life? Maybe.

Constantine > Any of the rest in whatever order you want
Can we at least agree on this?

>>77640589
>Arrow better than Flash.
This can never be. Arrow Season 3 saw to that.

>>77660125
>Daredevil on the other hand is much better i terms of writing and you don`t hear Karen or Foggy saying "Listen Matt... I believe in you" all the fucking time.

Yeah, instead of you just had Karen literally crying about how they need to take down Fisk for several episodes and characters repeatedly having the same exact recap the story conversation on the off chance the binge watching Netflix subscriber managed to forget what happened thirty minutes ago.

>>77660929
Daredevil>Jessica Jones>>>garbage>>>flash

>>77651114
>JUST LIKE THE COMICS!

>>77641213
Because the soap opera part is very skippable and the jot of seeing 5 minutes of a guy who runs really fast fight a CGI Gorilla and send him to a CGI City of Gorillas pretty much makes the sappy stuff worth stomaching. Plus, everynow and then, it surprises /co/ like with King Shark randomly appearing.

>>77660749
I agree that Constantine was the best DC show.

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESLEY

>>77660125
>you don`t hear Karen or Foggy saying "Listen Matt... I believe in you" all the fucking time
Oh yes you do. Those two have no place being so awful in that show.

>>77640601
I've always wondered what life would be like if I were this delusional.

>>77640745
>S.H.I.T.
Confirmed for never actually having seen episode. Just just jumping on the good 'ol meme bandwagon.

>>77661242
Are you gonna cry about it? I hope you're involved in the production of that steaming pile of shit otherwise it's pretty funny how much of a crybaby you are.

You're all a bunch of autists trying to shove your opinion down other autists throats. These threads are fucking cancerous.

The fact is that all of these stupid shows have short comings, they either start out as shit or they start out well but slowly but surely get worse

Daredevil is definitely the best of what you've listed, but I preferred Smallville to it.

inb4 Smallville got shit. It's the Simpsons argument and you know it.

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>>77661267
>Daredevil is definitely the best of what you've listed, but I preferred Smallville to it.
>Smallvile

>>77661242
>It gets good in the second half of season one, guys!
>Okay, not really but it gets good in season two, guys!
>Well, seasons one and two were crap but in season three it finally gets good, guys!

Not big enough for the big screen, not good enough for Netflix.

>>77661287
Meh. Rosenbaum and Glover were amazing.

>>77660125
">" means the thing on the left is better than the thing on the right.

You got it backwards retard

>>77661298
>Rosenbaum
I always have so much fucking trouble ranking live-action Luthor performances.

I mean, obviously the bottom ones are Scott James Wells, followed by Sherman Howard, followed by John Shea... but when you're ranking the top 3, Rosenbaum+Hackman+Spacey, it's near-fucking-impossible. They're all so good.

>>77643105
!!!

>>77659971
plus nobu/stick fit in really well, despite how extraordinary the whole hand clan is compared to the rest of the show

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Daredevil > JJ >>> Flash (only because it's pretty fun, even if it's dumb and full of the typical schlocky CW bullshit) > Everything else to be honest family.

This has more to do with the platform it's developed for than anything else really, as I think they both really benefit from being made for Netflix from the ground up.

Not having to worry about TV networks, scheduling, the FCC, etc. etc. as well as releasing in a format that is basically a 13 hour long movie really help make them come across as more focused and well realized products than what we generally see on TV. It seems like they have a lot more creative freedom when it comes to planning, writing, and budget allocation, almost like you would see on a BBC series.

Just my opinion though. They Marvel Netflix shows arn't perfect, but they're a huge step up in quality when compared to other cape related television outings. Most of which still kinda stuck in the same kind of Smallville-esque fomula they've been doing since like 2001in the case of Supergirl and the CW stuff, or the obnoxious Whedon knock-off tone of AoS. (Which granted, I haven't watched since it's first season. People claim it's improved, but honestly I'm long past the point where I could possibly give a fuck.)

>>77662661
>They Marvel Netflix shows arn't perfect, but they're a huge step up in quality when compared to other cape related television outings

The only thing they have going for them is the novelty gimmick of not doing a more traditional episodic show and trying to be more like a HBO style season long arc series. And they still fuck it up because they don't have that big of a budget to pull it off, and they are also so committed to following their algorithm based bullet point plot progression structure that episodes have blatant filler and padding to eat up the running time whenever they can't just move the plot forward yet. This is why you get so much asinine subplots nobody gives a shit about and certain supporting characters can kinda fall of the grid for half the series because they can't do anything until X,Y and Z happens.

>>77662661
>he hasn't watched Gotham
It's just as good as Daredevil, great cinematography with no teen drama bullshit.

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>>77662896
>Gotham
>just as good as Daredevil

>>77662887

I'll take a wannabe HBO series over stuff that's retreading the same basic formula as fucking Smallville any day of the weak.

Even if shows like Daredevil have a few low points, they're not even in the same league as some of the bullshit that goes down in shows like Arrow. (Not to mention the highs in Daredevil more than make up for it)

>>77662896

It's actually the only capeshit show I haven't watched yet, so fair enough. That's the reason I tried not to really commented on it directly.

>>77663001
>Not to mention the highs in Daredevil more than make up for it

Aside from the Stick episode there are no highs. Just pretentious meandering shlock.

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>>77663059

Good talk, shitposter-sama.

>>77658569
>On you only like capeshit
Oh look. You have no real argument.
Fuck off /tv/.

>>77641064
Cause she fucks black dudes.

>>77640909
THANK YOU BASED WESLEY

YOU WILL BE AVENGED

Gotham s2 >Daredevil >The Flash >Arrow >Gotham s1 >AoS but only watched first season and dropped it.

Was gonna watch supergirl but I'm just not hyped. Starting Jessica Jones today.

>>77662989
This. It's way better

>>77658569
You didn't even read the post you were responding to and just went
>Hurr durr capeshit capeshit
If you don't like capes then you probably shouldn't even be watching Superhero shows.

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Steve Baxi is at it again!

Flash > Gotham >>> Daredevil > Agent Carter = SHIELD > Supergirl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Arrow

still mid Jessica Jones

>>77663487
Arrow s2 was GOAT and s4 is pretty good so far. Only a couple instances of much feelings bullshit.

>>77663487
Nah man:
Flash > Daredevil > Jessica Jones >>> Gotham = Agents of SHIELD > Agent Carter > Arrow >>>>>>>>>>>>> Supergirl

Dunno 'bout iZombie since I don't watch it.

>>77640589
It's not even a TV show so Flash is still God-King.

I miss Vergil and Richie

>>77640837
I'm still trying to decide. I'll probably rewatch Daredevil this week, just to compare.

>>77663059
C'mon!

>>77641057
This guy gets it

>>77641100
>>shit > Agents of Shield
as marvel fag i say
S.H.I.T is not something i enjoy

>>77640909
THANK YOU WESLEY

Flashfags are ridiculous.

Just because they're autistic enough to put aside all the cw shit doesn't make Flash awesome and entertaining. I mean, yeah, if you skip 95% of the episode, it might be an enjoyable 3 minutes.

>>77666170
>3 minutes
Excuse me i missed the part where Murdock doesn't have a female around him

arrow season 2 was pretty good. but then season 3 happened.

constantine's appearance on season 4 has been the best episode yet

>>77640589
>>Arrow
>>The Flash
>>Super girl
>>Gotham
>>SHIELD
>Mfw no one remembers Izombie

>>77666235
There was like what 3 episodes with "romance" the rest have been with the shit blonde who works for him

>>77644775
I heard that after a while it stopped being kryptonite mutant of the week.

>>77652212
Pretty much this, you can just tell when actors are having fun with their roles, and it just makes it really fun.

>>77666303
Well people are talking about capes I guess.
Nobody is mentioning TWD either.

>>77666303
not cape enough.

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Daredevil>Ep 4 of Constantine>Jessica Jones>The Flash>Gotham=Arrow>The rest of Constantine

I hesitate to put Agents of SHIELD up because people have told me it picks up after the first season or so, and I'm not bothering to watch Supergirl just because it looks kind of bland.

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>>77667159
>Gotham=Arrow

>>77640909

Thank you, Wesley.

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Is Green Arrow supposed to be lighthearted and sarcastic?

When does that happen? He's so brooding. Is this just a season 1 thing?

>>77667686
sorry anon
Enjoy your 'totally not nolan batman'

Daredevil > Flash > Arrow > Gotham > S.H.I.E.L.D. > Supergirl

Haven't watched Jessica Jones yet, so I can't comment there.

>>77666170
Depends on your definition of "entertaining!" Daredevil is not "entertaining" all throughout the episodes either.

>>77667686
Season 4.

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>>77641057

>DC Fag here

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>>77662896
>gotham
>good

How can people be this delusional?

>>77668102
>yet another post of meme arrows with no supporting evidence
Okay Sherlock, what exactly is so bad about Gotham?

Daredevil > God > Jack Kirby's testicles with Ditko's sperm on it >>>>>>>>>>>>> shit >>>>> rest

>>77667320
I dunno, in retrospect I'd put gotham over arrow, but both shows have the same problem with pointless melodrama. Gotham at least has things like little brucexselina, penguin, joker; arrow just tries to be a batman show with CW relationship garbage thrown in. If it weren't for felicity's ass i wouldn't be watching anyway