Good evening owls of /co/,
Frank's gonna be on a real adventure this evening
"G. W. Bridge" is truly a name from another era of comics. COMICS, EVERYONE.
I know we're in Frank mode but I have some Legion stuff!
The LOSH is going to be in the next LEGO JL movie!
and Levitz did a little interview about his time on Legion
>Paul: Well, I guess the objective answer to it is there isn’t a regular Legion title these days. So, one way or another we disappointed the readers. I think there was a fairly unimpressed reaction to the work I did coming back on the series about four or five years ago. I certainly contributed to its failings. It’s hard to keep things around forever.
>Whether the Legion is simply a concept that has outlived its time or whether it just needs someone to execute it in a new and wonderful way, you could argue either side of it.
>I’d like to believe that somebody will step up in the next few years, do a new run of it. And people will remember that, love that and mine will fade into history. But that’s fine.
YES IF THEY'RE IN MOVIE MAYBE NEXT GAME
And huh, that's pretty honest of Levitz.
it's not quite like the bit in The Slavers where she tells Frank what's going on, but well, what IS like that arc, goddamn
I think working with a young artist like Liew is also really good for him.
how are you owls?
it's fucking cold here :(
Tim Seeley went on a podcast a couple days ago and talked about Grayson, and I finally got around to listening to it
He didn't give much info but he talked about Robin War a bit, BRE and child soldiers, how he and King work together on the title, that Grayson controversy from a couple weeks back, AND how Seeley thought some Wildstorm characters where very fitting for Grayson
any mention of which other Wildstorm characters? and yes, yes they are
i am intrigued by your ideas
I wish it were cold here. The weather here will be 50 degrees one day and the next it's 70 degrees. Today it was like 60 so that's acceptable, I guess.
But anyway I'm really nervous right now because I can hear some critters moving around outside and it sounds like they're in the walls, ugh
Probably the people getting mad at him for that nude shot and how it objectified Dick and triggered them
yeah, it was dumb, and Seeley did some twitter musing about Dick and how fandom identifies with him and thinks about him
It's in the high 40s and windy and might freeze
yesterday it was 75 and sunny
Did I ever run that Ron Marz Zealot mini?
It's a very solid adaption of DQ mechanics into DW mechanics, and also British voice actors for most of the cast. Ultimately, it's still a Warriors game, and it won't do if those aren't your jam, but I think it's more developed in the gameplay/boss department compared to Hyrule, at the cost of less characters.
There's going to be a PC port, because Squeenix is making PC ports a thing for more franchises now, but I'm playing PS4 and current-gen 3D winds up working pretty well.
There was a page from Grayson #13 and some people went to twitter about it to complain about it. Said the writers were abusing the character and that's horrible and why haven't they acknowledged it's horrible, etc. It was personal for some and that's why they and others got more worked up on it.
Though on the podcast Seeley said that, in fact, it was meant to be showing how little privacy Dick really has. I case nobody got it by reading it. Which some didn't.
>any mention of which other Wildstorm characters?
Nah, the podcast person just asked why they included Midnighter, Apollo, Ladytron, etc and Seeley said how well they just fit in Grayson. Like Wildstorm had more trends like technology, human engineering, etc and stuff like that. I see what he means by it
Whoever is running the dick_nixon account on Twitter is a fucking riot, and they have his voice down incredibly well
(since we're on the theme of Dick, after all)
I went to IKEA today
IKEA on a Saturday is a fucking adventure, but there were cute babies
so apparently Gail Simone wanted to write a young women sidekicks book that would have involved Stargirl
>Vietti: We were sitting down with out Our boss, Sam Register, who is the president of Warner Bros. Animation, and we decided what better thing could happen with the Cosmic Treadmill than to build it onto the back of the Batmobile, and then you get to have Batman and Flash team up to go back in time together.
>Krieg: So Flash is sort of like the hamster on the wheel, you know, on the back of the Batmobile.
Someone draw this
The very first thing I ever pitched to DC was a mini called 'Kicks, featuring Cass Cain Batgirl, Mary Marvel, and Stargirl.
Stargirl spent two pages explaining bubble gum to Cass, who immediately weaponizes it.
I am bummed, though they were right to nix it, the plot needed a LOT of work (it was before I had written Deadpool).
Mike Carlin read it, he was pretty fair. But girl-lead comics were a tough sell, and it needed work.
When the New52 happened and there were so few female creators and titles, I re-pitched it as the Baby Birds of Prey.
think the new cast was Cass, Mary, Stargirl, Misfit, Black Alice and Bumblebee.
Misfit and Black Alice on the same team makes me shudder
And I dunno, even with the reboot, Stargirl feels a bit out of place, like she's...already a more put-together hero? especially since she's already Stargirl and not the Kid
>Simone writing Cass
No thank you
If they wanted a teenage girl team they can just take a couple female Titans + female bat character + couple random teenage girls. Instead of Simone Misfit and Black Alice because no.
>And I dunno, even with the reboot, Stargirl feels a bit out of place, like she's...already a more put-together hero? especially since she's already Stargirl and not the Kid
Yeah, they introduced her as somebody who already had superhero cred and was America's sweetheart post-reboot, and with her and Vibe getting their introductions as joining the JLA it would feel weird to move them to a teen team
Interestingly, Gail also says very clearly
>A-Force would NEVER have happened at Marvel at that time. It's changed a lot.
Hold on to your asses, it's gonna get ugly
I'm still buttmad we never got Remender Turner D. Century, dammit.
(she also says that Gotham Academy is the kind of book she was aiming for and is delighted by it)
Ostrander wrote an amazingly good Black Alice in just a few panels in that Blackest Night Squad/S6 crossover
I miss him writing DC
I believe her, and yet I'm more nostalgic for the She Hulk of that era and Spidergirl and Bitches Love Spiderman than terribly much of the current catalog.
If there's the marketing will, there's no charm behind it.
Oh heavens no, it's even retitled FRANKENCASTLE a few issues in :D
Rick Remender is fukken comics, man
Slott Shulkie is a lot of fun, with Andy the Awesome Android and her abrasive boss. And it feels like a love song to continuity, not a fuck you.
She has a number of projects going on and she says she doesn't actually like pitching--but I agree that the BoP niche is grossly underfilled at the moment.
Sterling Gates made a tweet the other day about how great it is when art comes in and it blows you away and WHAT IS IT FOR
d00ds on glider boards
those look cool
Thank you so damn much OP. I haven't read Punisher in ages. One of my favorite series next to Hal, JSA with BB and BG and Legion.
I lost my USB. Somehow I put something else into my wallet so I have to search the whole house for a tiny little thing half the size of my finger.
That is super-annoying. One time I apparently dropped one on a sidewalk, and a guy sent me an email and gave it back because it had dox I was working on on it. He was awesome.
you know, I'll put some Shulkie on the schedule. It's fun.
hey anon, have you ever read Ellisbolts?
If not, we have to read Ellisbolts too.
Naw, it does make sense that if you didn't know his earlier stuff, /co/ rarely mentions the good side of Slott
Daken is alive again, right?
I never fucking bought that he conned Johnny Storm into being his buddy
>Hey anon, have you ever read Ellisbolts?
Haven't read any Thunderbolts, actually, no.
Clearly. Though I suppose to be "fair", Dark Reign was the immediate aftermath of Civil War, so frankly, I blame Tony Stork. I hate that tool so much.
Hmmmm. I was thiiinking of running Thunderbolts from the top for some Busiek goodness, and then we could skip down to Ellisbolts, that's a lot of comix tho
Ellisbolts is also 1) not too long 2) pretty self-contained
Slott Shulkie is 12 issues + 21 issues, also doable as broken-up runs
I think Johnny is only that gay for Peter, yeah
All I know about Thunderbolts is the premise, and that people waifu the hell out of Hummingbird.
>Osborn killed the Skrull Queen so he got to be top cop.
.... That's fucking retarded. Even Klingons don't work that way.
and that line of thought makes me want to run the Johnny/Peter FF issue
Hummingbird is in Scarlet Spider, you're thinking of Songbird, who has a devoted fan who's as creepy as, like, K-Box
no wait, sorry, no one's as creepy as Box.
Daken's got that pheromone shit tho
I'm just saying what happened. He rode being a war hero into getting massive power.
I was bored, none of the characters grabbed me, Bagley is fine but not spectacular. Busiek in general leaves me cold a LOT. I dunno what it is. dug his Avengers tho
I think this why Frank usually does alright against supers, besides the plot armor. He seriously just does not give a fuck and he never uses a fly swatter when he can be using a howitzer.
>Hummingbird is in Scarlet Spider, you're thinking of Songbird,
Oh right, Songbird. Sorry, I'm bad with Marvel stuff.
>who has a devoted fan who's as creepy as, like, K-Box
You mean Diamondback/Songbird? Yeah, I remember him, unfortunately.
He doesn't have the same level of inhibition that fucks over heroes, so going that extra degree does make a difference.
Daken getting his was one of the best parts of this run, too bad it's fucking ruined when it was getting good.
Hey, don't kill Moloids, they're harmless! Anyway, you're about to run into a...
we gotta read Parkerbolts for some Man-Thing action, too
also Boomerang, and a better Luke Cage than Bendis ever wrote, and Moonstone and USAgent
>James Tynion IV: So what's happening right now is now, Jason Todd and Tim Drake are off on their adventure that's going to end up bringing in characters that no one's expecting to show up in the series, and I'm very excited for people to finally find out who we're bringing in here — Cassandra Cain's not the only character who's coming back to continuity in this story.
>Nrama: Another character a lot of people are guessing resulted from that list you had, when Dick saw his name and other Bat-characters. The name Jean-Paul was on there. Could we look toward that name meaning something?
>Tynion: If eagle-eyed readers caught that, they might see something connected to that question play out over the next few weeks. So stay tuned in the book. There will be some surprises in store for you.
I can't believe they're gonna try to bring JPV back and make us care about him
if Howling Commandos lives, it might get around to more of it
I thought JPV was off-limits in general because Quesada?
this is such a great horror/comedy WTF teamup
the art shift is perfect, too
She did send some psycho's to kidnap her pregnant daughter,whom she tried to get declared mentally unstable,so she could take her child. Gotta be something there worth killing over.
I gotta run some BATTLE POPE some time, too
When you zoom in and see how beautifully hand-done the panel borders are, too, hnng
She did get her declared mentally incompetent, making her legally dependent and unable to have custody over her own child. Frank might have killed the guys who were trying to kill her, but Wazzo didn't hire them to murder her daughter. And besides, Frank would probably end up killing half the population if he ended up on Rimbor.
also, cropped for your use and enjoyment
This issue has letters. I'm looking forward to them.
Marco Checchetto's Solid Frank was holy shit pure husbando.
Manphibian is an alien? why is he even on your list!
>Manphibian's alien species did not suffer the delusional concept of fate. They did not reinvent such calamities in their own minds as a call to a righteous and vital missions like a hunt for revenge. They realized the true motive for such actions was to share their own pain with the world
that's the first line from wiki and now i wanna go look for old Legion of Monsters issues
oh my god, Frank, don't terrorize a Moloid in a Devo shirt
this is amazing in so many ways
>hunt with divine purpose
Oh he's one of THOSE assholes. Great.
Also, it's funny how this guy acknowledges the monsters as people, even bothering to use the appropriate gendered pronouns as opposed to "it", but still slaughters them wholesale. That actually makes him even more of a prick.
>Manphibian's kind believed in a "Prime Mover" where they have not raised a hand against another of their kind for eons. This was until Manphibian's mate was murdered by someone in Manphibian's species. After being denied by his elders to deal with the murderer, Manphibian ended up pursuing the murderer into space. Manphibian's search took him across different planets until landing on Earth thousands of years ago.
He's the Fugitive!?!?
The Ghost backstory issue! SO GOOD.
Troll was delightful, too.
I guess Swampy is the DC niche that corresponds, but there are more DC pulpy monsters, right? It's not a genre I'm well-read in.
The combo of cute and horrifying is a really interesting genre shift from, well, most Punisher stories
and that's what got us onto Frankencastle, was the genre question
Oh duh, self, and they were just in JLU.
That said, some of the best modern Frank stories, like Ennis, are pretty heartfelt. This is one way of getting there and getting emotionally invested, so I can connect the dot a bit.
I can't apparently. Or at least remember the pic.
I feel like Spectre and the Stranger are the reps for DC in the area/genre. Oh and they did House of Secrets/Mystery
also Supes v Frank in Action Comics!
Lava Preacher is a righteous dude.
The rotating per issue art thing actually makes me more interested in the Wanda book
>Whether the Legion is simply a concept that has outlived its time or whether it just needs someone to execute it in a new and wonderful way
It's the latter! It's the latter! Dammit Paul you know this!
Yeah, and since they're doing it as single issues they can get people to tuck it into a schedule who wouldn't do an ongoing.
Not to imply I support Marvel's Inhuman's boner, but the Monsters and the Inhumans seem to have the right idea, honestly. I don't really get why the X-Men even bother trying to protect mankind anymore. They'd be better off just finding a place to fuck off and live in peace. Maybe the Shi'ar would take them in on their world.
2) holy shit, there's Ales Kot in the letters
>I don't really get why the X-Men even bother trying to protect mankind anymore
Nostalgia. It's been like that for ages and not too many writers want to change that. Or when they do it doesn't work out
It's more that it's hardest to see an adorable little Moloid kid with good musical taste killed in front of you
Let us shed a few tears for whatever Remender X-Men would have been, because it wouldn't have been the reheated stale leftovers we're getting right now, odds are
No, Ales Kot is the guy who killed his own Image comic that was filled with annoyingly unspecific footnotes
They probably think it's "quirky" or some shit. They put the Green Goblin in charge of SHIELD. They're clearly too stupid to recognize obvious red flags.
>Because dammit peaceful coexistence isn't impossible.
The status quo says otherwise, sadly.
Imagine though if editorial had the balls to have mutants and humans make peace with each other. The fandom shitstorm would be glorious.
>Imagine though if editorial had the balls to have mutants and humans make peace with each other. The fandom shitstorm would be glorious.
They'd have literally no idea what to do with the muties then
I don't think fandom would mind that, honestly. Fandom just wants, like, non-Land X-books
Watching the X-characters being dispersed into other books to try to drag their readers with them, that's fascinating in how blatant it is
I dunno, I got pretty tired of "Oh no apocalyptic future/alternate reality!" stuff in X-Force. It would def at least be interesting though.
well yeah, they're never gonna get there because then the comic ends. that's the game
this storytime is always a safe space for debate
unless that debate involves, idk, fellating Bendis
Ohhh, you're thinking of Alex Toth, classic artist, guy who designed Space Ghost among many many other things
No, Ales Kot is a contemporary writer
I see you and dig it and raise you:
Point taken. Also, I think even X-fans are getting sick of the whole DEFENDING A WORLD THAT FEARS AND HATES THEM thing.
I'd be down for some slice-of-life stuff.
who are the ones we kept in charge?
killers, thieves, and LAWYERS
btw, owls, I'm out of town next week some, but I'll try to do an abbreviated schedule
Honestly,the whole "feared and hated" thing with mutants doesn't really make sense anyway. I mean,given how many super powered beings there are,and how relatively easy it is to become one (gamma rays,radioactive spider bite,anything radiation really), it seems a bit forced.
by putting them on a bus and blowing it up?
>hero and rival have a begrudging respect
Speaking of classic tropes.
I've always hated that. So, the Fantastic Four and the Avengers are beloved celebrities, but fuck mutants? Whatever.
Johnny and most of the Avengers are willing to bang their way into public approval; several prominent X-men aren't even legal.
...you know, all they need to do is produce their own porn line and I think everyone would warm up to mutantkind sooner rather than later.
Since Frank clearly knows no fear...
I don't even need to finish that sentence, do I?
The real question is why doesn't Frank use ridiculous FUCK YOU weapons all the time?
He survived so that Frank and Man-Thing can wreck his candy ass even more thoroughly.
The smile of a Frank who has just Franked well
>an old Nazi cyborg and his cadre of Imperial Japanese soldiers take off in a old-fashioned helicopter after raiding a city of monsters for a magical stone of power while chased by a Punisher turned Frankenstein's monster and a plant-like creature
Thanks for reading, owls. More Frank tomorrow; we have ten issues left, including a Daken crossover!
it's a cornerstone of the franchise. just cause marvel is using the spice too much/badly doesn't make it wrong.
oh also sublime makes people hate mutants too if the racism thing doesn't work for you
Thanks for posting as always, Storyteller.
Franken-Castle is actually pretty great so far. The overall premise, that Frank teams up with the Legion of Monsters, is actually a solid story hook.
The issue I have with it is that it's stale and not working if you seen that one issue with Jean Gray. If it wasn't for the fact that X-men is a long standing and popular book it would be cancelled by now.
Marvel is really popular in places like Japan compared to DC.
Strange doesn't give a shit about monsters, also I think he was depowered at this point? At the least not Sorcerer Supreme.
Yeah, but that's bad writing not anything with the concept.
>it's a cornerstone of the franchise. just cause marvel is using the spice too much/badly doesn't make it wrong.
it's outdated and they haven't done anything interesting, new, or useful with it in ages
they need to take the X-men behind the barn
Yeah that's what I mean. The whole concept of humanity is against us most writers can't do very well and use old ideas to the point of ad nausea. It's at the point that the fans can guess what is going to happen.
>Someone comes from the future to change the past
>Someone hates mutants
no, that's the kind of argument we enjoy having here. I, the OP, approve of them
Except X-men is still on going and had several movies while LOSH doesn't have a movie.
>Nobody knows what the hell LOSH is
>Everyone knows mutants like Domino and Marrow due to games and movies
Sorry I'm salty because I really want to see a LOSH MvC style game.
>tfw if they do a Dc vs Capcom it won't have Legion members
Yeah, but they're really similar. Rabid fanbase, deep continuity, huge in the 80s, weird premise, X-men stole 2 of their best characters from losh! i used to have more. on Earth-L tho Legion got the Liefelds and shit and the 90s animated cartoon that was huge and X-men faded away.
Honestly part of it is a weak memory of what's Claremont/Byrne and what's Cockrum, or Smith, or etc etc. But redoing plot points doesn't mean much, there's so much more to the stories. Characterization, art, etc. Battle of the Atom didn't suck because it was about mutants from the future .
X-Men's just had a lot of bad writers and it's kinda hurt the brand but it keeps on going on momentum. Someone'll come and do good stories with 'em, the ideas are too strong. They've survived cancellation.
also I get annoyed when people talk about Marvel shitting/minimizing them and then seeming to miss that could make the stories bad.