Purple Man edition
I liked it but I just didn't like it as much as Daredevil. I don't know why but it just didn't pull me in as much.
I liked what they did with Kilgrave though (with the exception of naming him "Kevin" for some fucking reason). They explored what a child could become if given god-like control over everyone, including his parents.
About half-way through, I'm really liking it.
The only thing that stands out a little as a negative is it's real bad at action - like I think it's actually cool that Jessica isn't Buffy Summers girl master fighter #293846, she just shoves and throws people around with her above normal brute strength because why would she need anything else? But it never actually looks good.
I don't think it really hurts in the end though since it's not an action show. Jessica's super power could be hating doors and the show would be 95% the same.
>spend entire series trying to keep Kilgrave alive
>argue several times with Nuke about it
>almost beat Nuke to death
>kill Kilgrave anyway
Amazing. He was unquestionably correct.
And what about his boys? HIS BOYS?!
A good pair of earplugs and a shotgun would have been the correct approach from the beginning, but then we would have had a 3 episode miniseries instead of a rambling, melodramatic mess.
Yeah, the /pol/trooning on the /tv/ threads has been fantastic entertainment in itself. Not since the Mad Max threads have we seen the weak and fearful airing their minds and treating the rest of us to the lulsworthy sight of their innermost sexual desires
Both shows had the same problem with heavy front/dragging end, But JJ definitely handled it's character development better and which patched up a lot of the plot pacing issues (despite them being clearly there). I'm glad the best friend split up drama happened before the series and for a logical reason vs "You lied to me about being blind! What you do isn't legal!" I thought Kilgrave was done pretty well despite NOT MUH PURPLE and overall I liked Jessica's arc of overcoming her PTSD and being a fucking mess, confronting her abuser, trying to understand him and even attempting to use him for good, then entering a morally grey area to get the truth/justice. It was believable and engaging.
Some things I could have done without:
>kilgrave support group
Outside of Reuben dying and Jess/Malcolm's inner turmoil over having to hide the body while his sister puts up posters, what was the point? When they came to beat up Jessica and free Kilgrave they just felt like a plot device.
A lot of people really dug him apparently, but I didn't see a point outside of introducing IGH for some more superpower origin explanation. There would have been more resonance if he died instead.
>Jessica and Luke finale
So does he want her or not? How much was Kilgrave by the end and how much was Luke? Needs a little more closure, right now it feels like we'll have to watch the Luke Cage show to get that.
I enjoyed it more than DD, though I loved DD. JJ only just edges it out.
I want to know if they were alluding to anything about that story from the bum and the meteor with the guy walking onto the beach, and that stoner robber and the guy with red eyes.
Also, this series was proof of concept for me that they could do a proper Punisher Max series on Netflix.
>That gambit she plays with Kilgrave. >Malcolm answering the phone for Jess in the last scene.
How fucking satisfying. Can't wait to see based Malcolm in S2.
Just to clear things up for myself: I thought the blonde from DD had been mind controlled into killing her boss and forgetting she had done it by Kilgrave, and we'd see a little confirmation of that elaborated on in JJ. Figured I'd be vindicated when they said something earlier on in the season about Kilgrave's bodyguards being hired by some outside agency with an interest in his abilities. Since that didn't happen, what can we assume happened to the blonde in DD? That she was drugged and placed at the scene of the crime?
>That she was drugged and placed at the scene of the crime?
Yes. Pretty sure they made a major point of that in DD.
I was also a little disappointed with the lack of crossover. Even just some mentions of Fisk's campaign or arrest or something to give us a proper time frame for when this occurs compared to DD.
It is a thing anon. It is part of the story building. If they told you everything straight away it would be shitty storytelling.
I thought it was annoying at first too, but it really does play into the story later. Just grit your teeth for the moment.
Plus that character isn't supposed to be likable anyway. So if you are already sick of her shit then they are probably doing something right.
I hate to be a cynical autist but in /co/'s case you're right. They are useful hype ridden mouthbreathing lards who froth at the mouth for everything when it first comes out. Don't worry though in a year they'll all have realized how stupid they were and admit this show is mediocre generic fodder.
The only reason to post here is because /tv/ is too infested with edgy /pol/ teenage memespouters.
I'm genuinely convinced that all the /pol/tards going on about race-mixing anti-white propaganda on /tv/ are repressed kekolds or full on homosexuals with obsessions with black men. It gets tedious to read after a while. It's like, if I were interested in knowing about gay fantasies I'd go to /lgbt/ or something. It's just boring, I want to discuss television shows.
Im so fucking dissapointed that Nuke never referenced Captain America even once to say how much of a fan he is. And on that note its quite embarrassing how they try to avoid saying "The Avengers". Agents of SHIELD is retarded but the way they avoid it like three times is simply not natural at all and in a conversation no one speaks like that.
What are the chance of the MCU Jessica Jones to get her hair purple?
You don't remember him saying he had seen real heros in action? I mean it was kind of a throw away line but I think that is what he was referring to.
But yeah he should have had some mention of Cap specifically in there. Or even just a cap pin or something.
As for the lack of Avengers mention. I imagine that is mostly to avoid any licensing issues since one is for the movies and the other web streaming.
Plus I mean think of it this way. How much have the Avengers actually done in the public eye in the MCU? Just fend off the invasion, and Ultron right? They may not be as big to the general populace as we believe.
It's not like they deny their existence. Maybe people aboide saying it because they think a group of people in colourful spandex and stretch pant is Cringy, and their name is super cringy.
The only person on the entire roster with a colorful costume is Captain America who was also recently color muted. None of them have spandex. If you seriously think this is a good reason I would still say its stupid to think of workarounds to specifically avoid saying it that come off as more stupid. "cringey" lost all meaning, I have never once cringed saying it or reading an Avengers comic so I simply disagree. I dont know how you can even be on this board if you seriously cringe at the sight of them.
>The only person on the entire roster with a colorful costume is Captain America
And Iron Man
And Black widow with her flamboyant red hairs.
And Hawkeye is actually starting to wear purple.
And Hulk is fucking Green.
anyway, the point is, about the name, it might be considered Cringy.
It's just weird, I'm five episodes in and Jessica doesn't really seem to be taking him being back all that seriously despite making a big deal over it and having all those ptsd flashbacks.
Oh yes because everyone loves gifted individuals. Not like anyone blames gifted people for the invasion.
Oh wait they do.
And licensing issues can be a possibility. Just because it is all Marvel doesn't mean they can use every Marvel IP available to them in everything. Some of it is so confused about who has the rights to what, and to what extent, on what medium, that sometimes they just have to err on the side of caution and just not mention stuff.
Also 'The Avengers' can't be the go to for every single little incident with powered people and what not. They are a single team for the whole world.
This series was always going to trigger tumblr. Despite a shit ton of stuff in the series has to do with stuff traditionally associated with Social Justice, it felt right and wasn't shoehorned.
Raising the question of who is ultimately responsible for the outcome that was Kilgrave was good. Especially given how much SJWs try to excuse criminal behavior from 'oppressed minorities' due to their upbringing or lack there of.
They are just buttmad because he is a cis white male being put in that position.
But she's not even really being cautious. The extent of her caution is finding a good moment to surprise attack, which is good, but does fuck all in the way of precautions. She knows how his powers work but never does anything to counter them let alone get her door a lock.
It just seems like she's not trying hard enough in proportion to how important getting him is to her.
Was I the only one who felt genuinely bad for Simpson and thought it kind of bizarre how they kind of pulled a sudden U-Turn in terms of making him sympathetic? Regardless of his comic counterpart, I got the impression that he was a genuinely good person that just wound up getting seriously fucked up from a combination of wartime PTSD and some black ops military drug program.
I like show so far, but I am not alone who thinks Daredevil is just better, right? It had better impact, better actors and holy shit choreography in this show sucks.
Ritter is like CW tier actress in a Daredevil show.
No she doesn't know how his powers work. That was the whole point. All she knew by then was that talking to him in person face to face could give him control. Hence why she needed the drop on him.
Well it makes sense the choreography for JJ would be basically non-existant since shes not a ninja like Matt.
But yeah I do agree its still shit and you can only watch her throw guys across the room so many times.
Not the anon you are talking to, but the knowing kungfu or not, the fight scenes were for the most shit. Every time I saw someone flying, my suspension of disbelief took an hardblow.
The only good fight was Luke in the bar fight.
She knows he has voice based mind control and can make people do things at specific triggers, that's enough to think up some counters which she doesn't seem to be capable of doing.
she wasn't sure how much his voice was a factor rather than his desire. Once she figures out his voice is a needed catalyst is when she starts asking victims what his specific instructions where so she can find a loophole if there is one
Yeah Luke's barfight was fucking excellent.
Though I find it odd that your suspension of disbelief ends when people start getting thrown around by people with super strength.
Thats like being able to accept that someone has unbreakable skin, but still doesn't think mind control is possible.
And yes the fights looked poorly choreographed, but that was the point. These people are just brawlers using their strength. Not ninjas like DD.
She knows those aspects but not all. It would be a dangerous assumption to think he doesn't have other stuff up his sleeve. And she did start on a counter early as >>77611587
>Though I find it odd that your suspension of disbelief ends when people start getting thrown around by people with super strength.
Not him but that's not the point.
The momentum of every is just all wrong.
Doesn't look anything like people being thrown with super strenght.
I understand your point anon, but in comparison to what does it look unrealistic? Are we talking about the fights in Cap2 between Bucky and Cap?
I mean we don't really have IRL super strength fights to check its accuracy.
>have hypnosis/MC fetish
>mfw this show
>to what does it look unrealistic?
An object moving according to ballistic laws. It's not that the body fly over that is a problem, it's about how they fly. They look like weightless dolls that have no power behind their thrown.
Fair call. Would we chalk this up to laziness/oversight/incompetence or just cost/technical restrictions?
I think I might need to head off to sleep soon. I was already at the 18 hour mark when I started the marathon. And I finished that like 7 hours ago or something. I think I am at around 36 hours awake.
Too bad they didn't have a better budget. I wanted her superpowers to look sort of MOSish, especially the jumping.
Eh, it was pretty weak in that regard.
I really was envisioning his origin being one of 68 or so subjects raised in captivity as some shady Hydra-esque facility experimented on them for superhuman trials. With the number growing smaller as the years went on and him revealing he did experience genuine love at one point. His fellow captives as they bonded and learned about the world together. With various horror stories on what was done to them...until that sudden day he counted 20 body backs taken from area D...and knew that there were only ever 20 kids there and that they were all going to be killed and manages to tap into his powers but its too late to save anyone and he never finds out who was behind any of it.
Now that would have been a more compelling character in the end. Really twist Jessica's emotions when dealing with him, how do you fight him? Do you really think he should be killed and not saved at this point or you just try to cut your losses?
That would have been fanfuckingtastic and infinitely better IMO than what we got. Keep his exploits the same but give him that background so you have this belief that maybe he can be fixed or saved.
>Imagine, Jessica. 67 children...no, 68.
>Every single day: injected, rejected, stabbed, prodded, carved, electrocuted, burned, spliced, frozen...
>Move the blocks with your mind #47. You can do it #47. Twist the metal with your hands #47. Start a fire with your eyes #47. If you can't cooperate we will introduce motivators #47-that's what they called pain.-Mate with the dog #47...
Actually the idea he would have security did occur to them. They just didn't except them to be competent enough to have a tracker on their client at all times.
It was a genuine oversight on Jessica's part, though one that would be chalked up to the sheer overwhelming nature of what they were attempting combined with adrenaline and that urgency.
>Fucks his crazy bitchy sister
At least he had that
When he was on the phone in that one scene I was like IS HE TALKING TO DANNY?? But then he said it was his bartender friend
and then later Kilgrave said IT WAS HIM
>Imagining her hearing all that and watching video of that shit being done to him
Just damn, that would have been so great to watch. Episode 8 is actually a good enough premise for its own series. I guess Lucifer will be sort of like that, but not really, he's already a good guy by that point. Jessica and Killgrave adventures or their equivalent could have been real entertaining.
That's actually fantastic compared to what we got. The show instead cheated us with him simply lying and just being abandoned at 10 and that was it with one throwaway line about it. They completely avoided and disregarded any kind of weight in his character and just firmly held him as simply "a bad guy" instead of a complex character.
There were two numbers on his call list when Jessica checked anon. The barman, and the phone that Kilgrave got off the rich homosexual.That was the one she 'traced'. Not poor Ron, who is out of the job.
Kilgrave needed more development, but what you're suggesting is not at all an interesting character. Just another bland sob story.
Then again, it's the same with this board thinking Reverse-Flash is not one-dimensional shitty villain because "HE WANTED TO GO HOME"
Wrong on both counts.
He trapped himself, but Barry probably wrongs him in the future with 99.9% certain and ends up being the cause of Eobard causing so much pain for him with a cliche loop.
And it wouldn't be a sob story, like I said, keep his exploits the same. So even after all that shit was done to him he still just goes back to smiling after he yells about it that time and keeps trying to have people kill themselves etc. Let it be more emotional burdening upon Jessica, that shit is gold.
A suffering Jessica is a good Jessica, you're just dense.
>He trapped himself, but Barry probably wrongs him in the future with 99.9% certain and ends up being the cause of Eobard causing so much pain for him with a cliche loop.
And that doesn't change the fact that he's a shit character, you dunce.
>it wouldn't be a sob story, like I said, keep his exploits the same
No, it's still a sob story and it still leaves Kilgrave a shit character.
No to both, you're fucking dumb. You don't even make sense
The MCU is doing everything sequentially. That's why events in AoS only happen between movies and sometimes sets them up. It likely makes the multiple productions much easier and the entire universe simpler to maintain.
Part of it was lies, his parents did run out on him but that wasnt until he had a tantrum and made her mother burn herself.
He was right about 10 year olds having tantrums being typical
>did you even watch it?
Not the part where they abandoned him when he was 10 years old without any clue as to what was going on with what he could do. You should probably watch it.
Not sure if serious...or just on drugs
>he was 10 years old without any clue as to what was going on with what he could do.
They knew what he could do.
You can briefly see it happening on the old videos where he commands them to stop doing that.
Anyway the parents where shit but Kevin was a lot shittier
Bitch, you can't be serious.
That's fucking Hawkeye from Hawkeye. Also known as Hawkeye, she has a sidekick known as Clint Barton (Also Hawkeye)
Sometimes she's called Kate Bishop, sometimes. (She's practically an Avenger btw)
Go get Hawkeye Vol 1 and start reading.
>Anyway the parents where shit but Kevin was a lot shittier
I really hope you're aware of the correlation between parenting and personality, or you know, lack there of.
And these guys were amazing scientists that didn't realize all they had to do was take proper precautions around him in order to keep him and themselves safe?
Nah, dude, these guys fucking abandoned him instead of putting some fucking ear plugs in and learning sign language. Do you realize how fucking easy it is to learn sign language?
>Also 'The Avengers' can't be the go to for every single little incident with powered people and what not. They are a single team for the whole world.
They exist to deal with global threats. A guy with mind control in Manhattan whose existence is dubious? They're not going to deal with that.
Laugh without reason is a sign of an idiot.
Laugh all you want they are both shit characters. They're one-dimensional sociopaths, and sob-stories are a cheap and usually ineffective way to give a character some depth.
That's why even someone like comic Lucifer would be a more interesting character, because he's fleshed out. We get to understand how he thinks, his philosophy on the world and for all his deeds he actually feels believable.
With Reverse-Flash and Kilgrave we don't have that kind of insight. They're just fodder to be defeated with some cheap motivations tacked on. We get hints of actual character, but they're drowned in the character being less of a character and more of a plot point the protagonist needs to overcome.
>They're one-dimensional sociopaths
Eobard wasn't, we still don't know his story you moron. We already know Eobard will show up again later and that'll most likely be when we learn how Barry ruined his life and tried to kill/destroy him when he's an innocent man.
>Still too stupid to understand that it was about burdening Jessica with more emotional turmoil and not Kilgrave even though this was LITERALLY spelled out for you
Wow, I can say with absolute certainty that you are a stupid human being.
Did you even graduate high school? You sound retarded.
I'm going to be real with you for a moment, anon. You need to step away from your computer or whatever you're using to post here and go do something else. It's what's best for you. At the moment you are just embarrassing yourself and you don't need to do that.
Really? Lucifer is an example of a character? Are you 16?
Fleshed out characters act upon their personal drive and motives. Fleshed out characters are characters first, their symbolic image should be subtle and in the background.
An excellent example of this would be Jack Murdock.
No one says it's not, you worthless retard. Just that it doesn't make a character more complex. Jesus Christ, why am I surrounded by fucking morons?
Jesus Christ, shut up already you fucking retard. Don't even try to backpedal.
>They completely avoided and disregarded any kind of weight in his character and just firmly held him as simply "a bad guy" instead of a complex character.
Your idiotic fanfiction would've had him as "a bad guy" regardless, only with a shitty sob-story.
Giving Jessica more emotional turnoil would've worked even without your badly-written garbage had the writers been good and turned him into an actual character rather than a someone the viewer would want to hate.
Shocking, I know.
Ebin. Simply ebin. How about you kill yourself instead?
>main female femanist protagonist
>main female white protagonist black love interest
>black love interest is highly intelligent, well mannered and the voice of reason
>gay couples everywhere
>all white male characters appear to be weak or foolish
>rape is the worst thing to happen to the main protagonist and the main source of evil
Is this the most SJW show ever to appear on TV?
>I've never read Mike Carey's Lucifer.
He does act upon his personal drive and motives, you fucking retard and he is an actual character. That's why I'm holding him above a shit "character" like Kilgrave.
Except that's not a shitty sob-story, it's an incredible one. How many people get fucking experimented upon from birth and forced to undergo all sorts of inhumane shit? That's the sob-story that makes a room go quiet and people rethink their lives and question whether or not they have any reason to complain about their own flimsy problems. And as mentioned it was meant to weigh heavily on Jessica and further traumatize her, that this person that she's demonized is actually not so different from her, just another chain in the great ever weaving links of people being wronged and wronging others.
But alas you are merely a troll.
Ouch, your ego is an ugly thing. You're one embarrassing neckbeard. It's amusing since you're clueless about what you're attempting to discuss, I might even say you are indeed a trolling attempt taking itself too seriously.
>That's the sob-story that makes a room go quiet and people rethink their lives and question whether or not they have any reason to complain about their own flimsy problems
No, it doesn't. Literally no one cares, and it only seems like a weak and idiotic way to make the character more sympathetic.
That's why Monster is such a piece of shit manga. Because they took the most one-dimensional villain possible and tried to make him sympathetic by the same "he was experimented on" shit.
>And Black widow with her flamboyant red hairs.
Honestly, I think Jessica Jones is better. All the characters are way more well-rounded and the story is just better. Most people here would prefer Daredevil because that story was straight forward and it had a lot more action.
Are MCU villains cursed to be shit or something?
>Fisk was promised to be threatening
>pitiful autistic manchild who backs down like a bitch when one of his associates talks shit to him
>Ultron is promised to be threatening
>is ineffectual as fuck and more of a comedic relief
>Purple Man is supposed to be threatening
>ruined by Tennant's stupid face and shitty acting
Disagree completely, it's way better than what we got in the show.
Also stop samefagging.
>showrunner worked on Dexter
Well, that show used an inappropriately giddy melody in moments that are supposed to be tense.
Good to know the trend continues here.
i'm not the autist you've been arguing with pal, i think he's wrong too since both Eobard and Kilgrave are good characters.
That it's fucking hilarious to look at and makes PM look like a bitch than a threatening villain?
Michael Pitt would've been better, anyway.
All of them. He's at Jack Nicholson of overacting with none of Nicholson's charm.
>everyone criticizing my writing is the same guy
a better way to add more complexity to purple man would be to have him do good things instead of just adding to his sadstory a bloo bloo background.
Kilgrave was irredeemable though and thats fine. those villains are fine.
I absolutely loved Patsy in this. She was a better Carol than the one we're going to get on screen, the actress was just phenomenal.
I wouldn't even mind if they retconned her into Jess' life in the books, that's how much I loved her.
no one can deny that Trish is best girl.
I can forgive hammy acting, fine. I don't like it but it's expected from cape comic adaptation.
But let the character look creepy. You can still be a psycho manchild and not perpetually look like you shat yourself.
I never even saw Doctor Who m8. His facial expressions are just dumb-looking.
No one said he should be "serious and drab".
You can be hammy as fuck and not look like a bitch.
>>pitiful autistic manchild who backs down like a bitch when one of his associates talks shit to him
Except that's not how Fisk is at all.
>>is ineffectual as fuck and more of a comedic relief
Ultron is an unstoppable force up until the end.
>>ruined by Tennant's stupid face and shitty acting
Kilgrave was fucking great.
Mahoney also makes an appearance. He is the cop who un-cuffs Jessica at the precinct.
Sucks to be Hope, she died anyway.
Quantifiably, if Nuke had been allowed to off Killgrave earlier, significantly fewer people would have died. I can't recall the exact timeline, but Reuben would have lived I think. And the self-help group.
This was a very shitty show coming of the heals of Dare Devil
I felt like this would be in the same lineup as gotham, flash and supergirl.
at times it got dark but in an edgy way. DareDevil atleast had good fight scenes and you could watch him get damaged.
Jessica also came out of this underdeveloped as fuck
Like David Tennant clones/a twin or other experimental children? Kilgrave is going to be revived though, right?The thought of Kingpin and Kilgrave working together or even against each other is exciting.
I have 2 more episodes to go so maybe things will get better but I just got annoyed with Jessica. No one really tells her to shut the fuck up. Like when she has that retarded plan to go to Supermax prison. Or when she catches Killgrave and never thought about what to do with him. It's cool to think you're better than everyone in the room when you back it up but when you make stupid decision after stupid decision it is kind of grating.
>But let the character look creepy.
Let me guess, you're British. I hate to break it to you, but all Brits (Anglo, Scot, Welsh, Irish, Afro-Caribbean, whatever) are all huge creeps. Your country is run by pedos. Only limeys don't realise how creepy they are due to extensive socialization.
>Super strength, but normal-level toughness
>Punch a wall
>Wall breaks, but not your bones
>Jump twelve stories up
>Don't get crushed when you land
You can't really have super strength without having invulnerability. Equal and opposite reactions.
Jessica 's skin and organs can get lacerations, but her bones and muscles are stronger.
Meanwhile Luke's has unbreakable skin, but his brain started swelling with fluid from the shotgun blast.
This, what the fuck?.
It looked like they were going that route with the whole
MY PARENTS WERE THE TRUE MONSTERS
Then you learned their true (if somewhat misguided) intentions, and it just Kilgrave seem more like a villain.
I flipped back and forth on Kilgrave while they were doing the sympathy thing. The bits that really got me were him saying he was a ten year old who had a tantrum, his mother stabbing him, and at the end when he responded to his father saying it would sting by saying it feels like a branding iron. I also liked when he was buying the house without using his powers.
But in any case, the real sympathetic one was Nuke.
>are all huge creeps
You're thinking Germans. German people are inherently terrifying. There's something very inhuman about their faces. Not sure if uncanny valley shit can apply in that case, though.
>Nuke was 100% right about needing to put a bullet in his head or snap his neck or whatever.
Yeah, but the execution of his plan was terrible. He knew Jessica was in the house yet didn't account it for.
And Kilgrave is never alone. He was going to blow up the house with innocents.
Well the pills were thrown out the window. She probably assumed she didn't have time to go search and called 911 instead.
She probably did have enough time since 911 actually worked but there was no way to know that.
I like how Kilgrave never took responsibility for killing people but did for saving the family. It implies along with his whole love of Jessica he does have some idea of right and wrong, he just only applies it in ways that make himself look good. He's probably the best depiction of a narcissist I've seen in tv.
I liked Daredevil more. This has way more cringey scenes like the support group mob and all that. Also no Wesley or Wesley-tier characters. Honestly couldn't give a shit about most characters.
>Nuke kills kilgrave after his first sugestion
>Hopes still lose her life
>Shitton of people keeps their lives, business, money...
>Simpson doesnt go back to the program and lives happy with hellcat
A real hero and a real human being
I work in the industry, where wearing earplug is a requirement. It doesn't stop sound, it simply protect your ears from loud noise, while you are still able to communicate with your coworkers.
purple man should have been given a second chance after jessica learned about his past. He wasn't wrong at all, he admitted to his wrong doing, needed help to fix it, and was willing to take any help she could give him to make things right.
she decided her revenge was more important than helping people
IT work like in most countries. Either you have an agreement and it's settled out of court and you sign the papers on who get what, or you can't have an agreement and you settle your divorce in court.
The Doctor used blackmail to make the lawyer sign an agreement where she get most of her wealth, or she would unveil everything.
The lawyer wanted to make her sign a different kind of agreement she thought was fairer.
in this vein, when I was younger I would always go to concerts with ear plugs You can hear the music better through the plug because it filters out all the shitheads screaming the whole time
he was a child that went through physical and emotional trauma, regardless of if it was to help him it was psychologically damaging, and he admitted ignorance to his powers.
he flat out said he has difficulty turning it off, doens't realize when hes doing it sometimes. and in the case of his mother threw a temper tantrum since he was an emotionally damaged child.
then he was left to fend for himself and never had anybody there to help guide him and make him into a decent human. He isn't evil, just extremely immature.
it only goes to prove the point further
Final episode spoilers:
Was anyone else disappointed Kilgrave never actually turned purple? They hinted at it with the purple veins in his skin as he was being injected but he never actually went full purple.
>believing everything his parents said
Just because Kilgrave was a lying bastard doesn't make the people disagreeing with him saints. This was hinted at when he was talking with Jeri before they showed up, the truth is somewhere in the middle. His mother pretending to forgive him so she can stab him was evidence of the fact that they lied about some of it. There was also the reaction scientist guy Jess talked on the phone with, that shows you that the shit they did to him was unethical as hell.
look at what happened to him, it was nothing but betrayal and literal fucking backstabs to him. Jessica was out to kill him, he needed a way to protect himself.
he was trying to escape
I don't think he was lying about it. He didn't necessarily know why they were doing those things to him. He was a kid with frightening powers and nobody to guide him in how to use them. its no wonder he turned into a piece of shit.
but I think more importantly is he wanted to make things right, because he wanted someone to love him for himself and not because he told them to.
There is no universe in which jessica made the right call. The show pretty much even tells us the right call is
to stay with him and help him.So by doing things the "jessica jones way" she is outright telling the viewer she has no regard for the consequences and safety of others, she wants her revenge.
Thing is, though, combat scenes get way better if you get the sense either party could lose, y'know? Part of why the fight scenes are so bad in this compared to Daredevil is due to that. When Jessica got her ass kicked, it finally felt thrilling.
There is such a thing. It's good for business repution, but in reality, it translate with the attorney setting agreement out of court when a case seems too though, so that their precious 100% win ratio doesn't get armed, sometimes making their clients agree to plead guilty to case they might have got a chance to actually win.
I also think a big problem is they didn't do powers right. They had unnatural wire fighting knock back in zero gravity shit going on and the camera never quite focused on the action, always a little off center or out of the shot because they didn't know how to show their intentions.
>Character isn't raped in the comics
>They make her raped in the show for DRAMA
Why is it that in any "adult" show the writing of female characters immediatly goes to shit because rape becomes to go to for any and all problems they face? It's so boring.
>to stay with him and help him.
No, that's the worst possible option. the ideal choice would have been to arrest them and judge him for his actions. But that is nearly impossible.
>You should give up your freedom to live with the guy that raped and tortured you.
part of being a hero is suffering for the good of others
>The right call was to put a bullet on his fucking brain.
the argument could be made for that also, but even still she didn't want that until her originally plan had failed and she went full scorched earth protocol
there are two choices that can be made
1. he is irredeemable and should be killed
2. he is redeemable and should be heped
there is no place for a personal revenge trip, locking someone in a cage and torturing them, all the while exposing other people to the danger of a now very angry and powerful man\
she did so to help hope, not for the pleasure of torture, you know that, stop being dense.
>part of being a hero is suffering for the good of others
so they arent allowed to have emotions and being persons. they are not machines son.
There was an audible "HOLY SHIT" because I had forgotten that Nuke was going to be in it and was hoping he would end up being an established character.
when you decide to be a peace keeper your personal feelings need to be blocked out. she flunked out of jedi school for sure.
helping hope was ignorant. honestly outside of the in universe stuff, that whole plot line was horrible. They even said it would be inadmissible or staged in court. there was no point to any of it if she wanted anything other than to torture him.
>mfw realizing he was Nuke
His name just never clicked with me before that moment. He was actually my most hated character in the show until he Nuked out, now I can't wait to see him as a villain in Defenders.
Anyone else think the story kind of went downhill super fast after Hope committed suicide? I don't know, just something about it felt off. Like they really needed a reason to force Jessica to have to kill Kilgrave and that was the only thing they could think of to do it.
Except JJ never wanted to be a hero.
A hero is admirable because they put aside their own interest. But that's the thing, self-sacrifice it's an admirable thing, not an expected thing, neither a thing of duty for people who want to live normal lifes.
Add to that the case of Hope. JJ engaged herself, made her a promise to help her out and prove her innocence. And sticking around Kilgrave to make him an hero goes against that promise.
she isn't a flawed hero, she was never a hero. She was the protagonist but to call her a hero in any capacity is misplaced.
nuke was the only hero here.
jessica wasn't even willing to face her demons to save people
He was willing to become one
So, is a season two possible? If so, what the hell could be the potential storyline
now that Kilgrave is out of the picture?Even though the show wildly differed from Alias, it still covered a lot of the story beats and I can't really see where else it could go.
Well, she obviously felt responsible for the fact that she A) didn't make sure Kilgrave was dead and B) forgot the extent of Kilgrave's control and didn't think he might have had contingencies in place. The fact that she saved Hope so effortlessly should have been setting off alarm bells in her head like crazy.
A promise is a promise, anon. And there is a bit of guilt too. JJ played right into Kilgrave's game and it's thanks to her that Hope had the opportunity to kill her parents.
Hope's parents were killed right in front of her eyes and she couldn't prevent it.
Maybe they go the pulse route kinda? Jessica and Cage have grown closer, maybe we see signs of early pregnancy? She gets hired to investigate a suspisious murder by the girls parents, maybe a supervillain gets hired to stop her?
The whole reason why Jessica didn't want to kill Killgrave is because she wanted to prove Hope's innocence. She tought it would erase her guilt or whatever, she was delusional.
Killgrave even pointed it out, which Hope heard and comitted suicide to remove Jessica's fixation on the whole thing.
Then Jessica was finally free to just murder Killgrave.
Does anyone else think its kind of random that they used Nuke for this and not in Daredevil or something?
He feels kind of out of place, and he's not enough like comic Nuke, might as well be someone else
I remember someone who saw the first episode previewed at NYCC said there was an implication that Trish and Jessica had had a sexual/romantic relationship in the past.
I didn't see that at all; where were they getting that from?
10 year old
he wasn't an evil 10 year old, he was immature and out of control, yes, but not evil. He wasn't evil, he was extremely flawed as a human.
but he prompted the conversation about tipping the scales, he wanted to make things right and redeem himself. Jessica made the choice for him that it wasn't an option.
She's close to going full Hellcat. I thought that she was going there in the beginning of the show, then when she got roided up, then they left me hanging. But she's definitely on her way. I imagine that if JJ gets a Season 2, she'll do it there. If not, she'll be doing it by Luke Cage.
Final episode spoilers:
Luke Cage's eye surgery. I fucking HATE eye trauma.
he wanted to before jessica literally held him captive and tortured him
and that's a fact. We can see him trying to make the changes when he acquired jessicas old house, which he paid the family to leave instead of just ordering them out.
How happy is Bendis right now?
It must have been agonizing for him to see the MCU ignore everything he did (except Maria Hill), and for characters he dislikes like Ant-Man, Vision or Scarlet Witch being important.
But now he has a TV show that he can brag about.
>blow up house with innocents
That's just cost of taking out a supervillain. Especially someone like Kilgrave. If three innocent people had died in the explosion, that's still less than the number that died later on because of Kilgrave.
seeing the Night Nurse was pretty cool. Does anyone have any idea what the timeline is? It's obviously after Matt Murdock gets fixed up by her. But uh, is it before Kingpin blows the shit up out of that one Spanish lady's apartment?
How soon is this show going to pick up?
I'm on episode 5 and I'm not too impressed. I don't mind spoilers.
then kill him. But she didn't want to do that, she wanted him to stay alive and torture him into a confession that would never in a billion years be admissible into any court room
>but he prompted the conversation about tipping the scales, he wanted to make things right and redeem himself.
Incorrect. What he wanted was a good reason for Jessica to stick with him no matter what. he saw a possible future for them working together, for reason even Jessica would agree with beside holding people hostage and in the long run hope that maybe she'll genuinely fall for her.
He was thinking about himself the whole time.
thats fine too. But from a viewer stand point the writers wanted us to be on jessicas side and to feel hopeful that she would break him down.
its just not a good story to me
if it was a cat and mouse where she wanted to kill him and all that, fine. But the confession plot that took up half the season was pointless, went nowhere, did nothing to advance the plot itself, and made no sense on top of all that
Meh. Boring villain played by Criminal Minds-tier shitty actor + very shitty special effects.
No, he wasn't. I've never seen a more forgettable villain since the fat fuck in the first season of True Detective
Kilgrave was an excellent villain and Tennant was perfect.
yep, one thing that pissed me off. Also, I'd rather they just cut instead of trying to show her jump sometimes in the show.
I think so, but they haven't announced it yet.
The whole beginning of Death by 1000 Cuts was metal as fuck. Then when Pam straight murdered Wendy and the Asian dude falling on shears, I was legitimately grossed out.
The Netflix shows really get you thinking that the street-level heroes see way more fucked up shit than the big namers do.
They loved mentioning Hulk and Cap, didn't they?
But wait there's more:
IGH made the chemicals that spilled on Jessica and gave her powers. And the initials could stand for Inhuman Growth Hormone in place of the mutant growth hormone MGH from the comic.
I didn't find the first few episodes suspenseful at all.
I'm glad we got over how many ways Luke can give Jessica the dick and lesbian wife issues but Kilgrave doesn't seem too... menacing to me?
I'll finish this series up but I don't think I'll keep binge watching.
Thanks for the info
Jess probably hates Iron Man with a burning passion.
>Malcolm answering Jess's phone at the end
That made me genuinely happy. I loved seeing Malcolm develop as a character. I don't know where they'd go with Season 2 in terms of big bads, but I'd love to see more of Jess, Trish, and Malcolm. I assume that Jess would show up in Cage's show, but I'm not sure about Trish, who I assume will suit up in time for Defenders.
Marvel confirmed for worst than Scarlet Witch
damn this is the best bait I've seen.
If I really had to pick a scene from tennant's acting, It'd be this.
I do have to say though, It felt sort of weak on episode 11 with the Cop and Jessica's sister quarrel. That whole plot was a bit weak imo.
>Dropping "Sweet Christmas" twice
>His fight scenes, especially the bar fight
>Trish's fight scenes
>Trish's sex scenes
>Pam getting fingered
>That entire apartment fight against Simpson
I really liked this show
How else thinks Tennant performed perfectly for his villian role?
His villian really carried out and was one of the best parts of the show.
Lorne Malvo, Mr. Freeze or Nolan's Ra's Al Ghul for instance.
Should have all of the qualities, not just one. And their personalities are not even remotely memorable.
I'm not the anon who said that Kilgrave and Wells weren't interesting, but his post said that a good villain possesses all 3. I don't agree with him on that.
I also don't think that Ultron was memorable for particularly good reasons, but that's just me.
I didn't find him scary at all. He was boring as Wells, and the moment he put the suit on, he was straight up hilarious to me with those ugly CW special effects and cheesy growling voice.
I hate how people in the show act like mind control is outrageous when a giant fucking portal opened in the sky with aliens coming through it. Or how a man from the 40's somehow survived throughout time and hadn't aged a day. Or how a giant green gamma radiated monster fucked up Harlem and left many people injured or dead. Its like they act like amazing shit like that never happened. Are we sure this show takes place in the MCU?
Should've picked Nolan's Two-Face instead. I loved that he was less of a villain and more of a wrathful misguided vigilante
and he was better and more memorable for me than Joker.