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Has animation entered a whole new dark age?

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Has animation entered a whole new dark age?
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OTGW was amazing though
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>>77564040
Yes.
>animation will never look this good again
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No.
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What was the old dark age?
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>>77564040
If you believe it has, then it has. Lots of people will disagree, or probably egg you on. I wouldn't call it a dark age, but things are getting deriverative, at least in face value, but all the shows in pic related give something unique, so there's that.
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>>77564060
Not really.
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>>77564091
But that's one of those animes
Obviously drawn by either japs or Koreans
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>>77564040
No, but we're in danger of entering an age of cartoons that all look like Adventure Time.
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>>77564097
Hanna Barnera
The only reason people think we got any better was because between the 80s-mid 2000's we'd get lots of eastern animated shows with gritty realistic styles.
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>>77564109
What exactly do they have to offer anon?
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>>77564060
It was mediocre. Maybe because it didn't live up to the hype people built around it when I finally saw it, plus Adventure Time twig arms, rehashed simple body designs I've seen a million times before yet executed poorly, the puffy mouth face everywhere, the little brother being unfunny and uncute, etc.

The minor characters were great, though.
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>>77564115
Go post that in one of /co/'s cancerous generals.
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>>77564040
I think that there's been a slow shift in terms of priority. Rather than expressive animation or high-paced action, the focus of shows are more on their main group of characters and their personal development.
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>>77564040
>SvFoE

pic related
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>>77564141
Again, a dark age.
>Cartoons will never look like Moonbeam City.
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I dunno, I'm kind of enjoying all these cartoons that aren't just 22 minute toy commercials.
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>>77564119
Japanese are extremely skilled at animation though.
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The the art and animation itself has become simplified we are getting works that creators clearly put a lot of heart into
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>>77564162
It was literally just Tumblr: The Miniseries.
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>>77564141
>>77564187
This.

Why the fuck does every other show have so much simple geometry in it's character designs? Why all the noodle arms? Why all the puffed/pouty cheeks?
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>>77564203
Teen Titans Go has more heart than any of these shows.
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>>77564040
No
people just think it is because they over-praise their glorious older cartoons and have a shitty mindset that everything in this era is bad because it doesn't resemble the old stuff enough

But you guys are just refusing to actually care about animation as a whole and look at whatever is popular on tumblr or reddit or facebook or wherever

For instance>>77564040, OP posted an image of several recent cartoons that air on American broadcasting channels, some of which have less than mediocre animation and some of which are actually very interesting in terms of art style and general sequencing

and then >>77564091 immediately you compare it to something that isn't even western, let alone American

Animation isn't dead or dying, you guys just don't care about it enough to seek out good animation.
hint, it's probably not going to be the cheaper/popular things that you watch on TV in America

That would be like complaining about the fall of the dining experience and food creativity because McDonalds exists

Check France, Japan, Korea, all around the world for amazing animation if it's too hard to find it locally (in NA)
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>>77564173
>your post

Pic related.
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>>77564241
Name 5 currently airing cartoons with noodle arms other than adventure time.
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>>77564188
>low frame rate
>shitty syncing
>tries to make up for it with increased detail that is mostly stationary set peices
Are you fucking stupid?
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>>77564241
One word: Tumblr.
Seriously, that's an animator's priority nowadays.
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>>77564040
Yeah anon, curse this dark age of animation!

When did THIS,
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>>77564224
>literally just Tumblr
in what way?

>>77564243
>has more heart
>only exists because of an older and popular show, but is much cheaper to make
>70% of the plotlines follow the same cliched bullshit that was seemingly ripped straight from tvtropes or the like
>the other 30% just being the same formula that the introduced in the first season
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>>77564267
Turn into THIS?
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>>77564040
still better than the age where even CN attempted to abandon cartoons in favor of live action. Also if you think this is a dark age, I would love to heard what you think the golden age was.

>>77564224
like literally what does that even mean?
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>>77564249
>you compare it to something that isn't even western, let alone American
But animation is dying everywhere, you moron.
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>>77564253
Steven Universe
Gravity Falls
Over the Garden Wall
Wander Over Yonder
Star Vs The Forces of Evil
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>>77564040
no, it's just a dark age (in the sense of there being nothing in the record but emptiness) in the era of action cartoons. there's no serious animation, only jokes. but the jokes are good. be patient, action will return.
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>>77564040
All these news show coming out have almost the same fucking art style with the same fucking genre over and over. Nobody can stop sucking Genndy Tartakovsky's dick on here and you get called a cancerous autist when we whine about it over and over every single day. Yeah well as long as literally every creator and producer in animator's are all best buddies and there is no room for the industry to grow and to get in we'll bitch and moan til we get our way. All these new shows are shit. Sheep in the Big City? Mike Lu & Og? I Am Weasel? Please kill me now.
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>>77564284
It's better than:
>What will tumblr like in a cartoon?
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>>77564284
In a way that makes it easy to scrapegoat even while having no comprehensible knowledge of animation or the industry.
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>>77564295
>But animation is dying everywhere
It really isn't
newer, different animations are popping up because those ways are more efficient
but cartoons aren't dying, even if miyazaki says they are
and really he was referring more to what the cartoons were about moreso than how they were built, especially since he uses CG
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>>77564241
because it's cheap, tardlord.
did you do this to videogames in the old days?
>why the fuck does every other game have such simple geometry in its characters. mario's nose is a fucking square what is this
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>>77564166
Outward conflict is becoming more and more replaced with inward conflict, which has had two effects from what I can tell.

First, exposing the character's inner thoughts and vulnerabilities creates a deeper connection between them and the viewers.

Second, teams save on production costs since inner struggles involve a lot less explosions and kung-fu fight sequences.

Not that they aren't sorely missed...
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>>77564296
I said noodle arms anon.
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>>77564336
It is dying.
It's a dying art in Japan already, animators are working less for what they used to work for.
Animation here in the West is fucking awful. Its already being overrun with shitty CGI crap that people still eat up like the sheep they are.
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>>77564332
>it's literally tumblr
>how
>it's literally tumblr
this is how we know you don't have an argument
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>>77564296
Are you trolling? Do you know what noodle arms are?
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>>77564296
Shit tier tumblr animation
Red nose syndrome
Shit
Autistic shit from the creator of Horse cancer
Absolute retardation

>>77564310
This.
Ben 10, Megas XLR, Motorcity and Sym-Bionic Titan has WAY better animation than any of the cancerous shit airring today.
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>>77564353
And I posted them. You want more examples?

Regular Show
Bob's Burgers
Rick and Morty
The Amazing World of Gumball
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>>77564296
how is over the Garden Wall currently airing? it was a mini series like a year ago, being off the air for a year isn't currently airing
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>>77564374
>Are you trolling?
Psst, yes he is.
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>>77564296
>Steven Universe
Evidence to the contrary right above you.
>Gravity Falls
http://nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/gravity-falls.jpg
Nope
>OtGW
http://naija247news.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/over-the-garden-wall.jpg
Nope
>Wander Over Yonder
I'll give you that one.
>Star Vs
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/star-and-the-forces-of-evil/images/3/3a/Vlcsnap-2015-02-01-15h38m04s252.png/revision/latest?cb=20150201221104
Nope
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Disney has stepped up their shit.
Gravity falls, wander, star.
Tron and motorcity were beautiful
And pickle and peanut is a guilty pleasure
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>>77564340
All the action cartoons came in the 90s when there wasn't any real danger in the world. Now that we live in an era where madmen are driving planes through buildings and shooting up france (The kind of typical plot you'd find in a 90s action cartoon) you cannot show that anymore. The biggest emotional conflict has to be about passing a test or getting a date and not feeling bad or unsafe in your 1st world comfort.
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>>77564381
Sadly if we get any cartoons like Ben 10 and Megas XLR, Tumblr will throw a fit. They want shit like GF and SU.
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>>77564364
>animators are working less
only because the demand is higher, and the whole system is based on a practice that is stressful and outdated
animation in the west is fine, it's generated on computers because it's easier and less time consuming than handdrawn animation
All of the most popular cartoons are still 2D, and if you're referring to Disney/Dreamworks movies, the efficiency/time thing is even more prevalent
It's just a trend that is going to fade in the next 10-20 years (because animation will still be around then)
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>>77564388
Do you see the elbows anon?
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>>77564374
3/5 of those do have "noodle arms" though
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I feel like I'm the only guy on /co/ who likes TTGO
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>>77564429
No, Japan's economy has been falling ever since 1995.
Anime is now being appealed to otakufags who eat that garbage up. Thanks to digital too, it's easier now to shovel it out.
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>>77564287
Some time prior to btas, apparently.
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>>77564388
>Regular Show
I'll give you that one.
>Bob's Burgers
http://netdna.tvovermind.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Bobs-Burgers-Family-Show.jpg
Nope
>Rick and Morty
http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/RickAndMorty.jpg
Nope
>The Amazing World of Gumball
Yeah pretty much.

I can only assume noodle arms to you are 'arms that are slightly loose'. Noodle arms are arms with no clear elbow.
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>>77564430
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>>77564427
What's wrong with Star vs? Does the main protagonist being female not making action enough suddenly?

And nonsense, we live in an era where shows like Xaolin Showdown AND Cody Lyoko have both gotten reboots.
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>>77564427
we don't get cartoons like these anymore because networks always canceled them too early anyway, sure was good finish to Symbonic Titan, and Ben 10 didn't devolve into a shit fest where they used aliens as an answer for more thing than the History Channel
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>>77564459
And you have superior taste.
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>>77564337
Those were technological limits. Not even comparable. Come on, think.
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>>77564287
>Comparing a Disney movie to a 11 minute show
Bruh, you're gonna have to try harder than that.
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>>77564430
Fine, tube arms, not noodle arms.
You still cannot see any knowledge of joints, insertions or real anatomy in that.

Not to mention the trend of eye-on-face looking eyes without sockets is getting really cheap and annoying.
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>>77564492
>>77564459
I'm cancelling ttg
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>>77564040
more like dank age aint i right m8s
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>>77564480
>we live in an era where shows like Xaolin Showdown AND Cody Lyoko have both gotten reboots
Those were both cancelled after only one season tho
The Code Lyoko reboot hasn't even aired more than one dubbed episode in the US
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>>77564487
We don't get those toons because they cost too much and don't turn enough profit to justify the means. As much as we talk about cartoons we are a small fraction of the people who actually pitch in to give it ratings. I bet most of this board just watches it online.

Why actually put in effort to make a visually impressive show when TTG will bring in more money for less?
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>>77564109
>incest porn
>muh lesbian space rocks
>water down americanized magical girl
>prentious bullshit.

You're right anon, they are unique in their own ways.
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>>77564430
>no noodle arms
>posts elbow macaroni
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>>77564364
>shitty CGI crap that people still eat up like the sheep they are.
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>>77564427
We're getting a new Ben 10 cartoon, baka
Also, in terms of action shows currently airing
TMNT
USM
StarWarsRebels
Penn Zero
SvFoE
Avengers Assemble
GotG
Transforms
etc

Also
SU and AT are still technically action cartoons
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>>77564480
Star spends more time checking everyone's privilege than doing anything action related.
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>>77564430
Yes, I do.
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>>77564551
Kill yourself.
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>>77564549
Those aren't noodle arms tho. You're moving goalposts. Noodle arms are arms with literally no joints, like >>77503507
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Kids always remember to sage in these threads.
>>77564509
>Not to mention the trend of eye-on-face looking eyes without sockets is getting really cheap and annoying.
lol what
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>>77564040
Most of those shows represented in your image are great, though.
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>>77564547
What happened to cartoons? How did they get this way?
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>>77564547
What other currenttly airing show has lesbian space rocks and mystery incest?
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>>77564571
And Wander looks nothing like Adventure time. Neither does Gumball.
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>>77564590
You did
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>>77564605
>raises up flame shield
not this time, butthurt /co/mrade.
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>>77564509
>You still cannot see any knowledge of joints, insertions or real anatomy in that.
>caring about anatomical realism in a show that has aliens made out of balls and buttholes
>caring about anatomical realism in a show that doesn't have anatomical realism
ugh
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>>77564040
Gravity Falls is nice, but everything else is shit
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>>77564557
SU barely qualifies as "action." The action it has is only there as a vehicle for shounen references and the show could get by on less than the scarcity it already has.
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>>77564040
>>77564162
>>77564224
Hold up
Hold up
How is it tumblr?
OTGW had the best music of any series for the last ten years, or maybe even ever. Name one other series that had such Americana Roots in their music.
It had an interesting plot, vaguely Brothers Grim
The animation wasn't Les Triplettes de Belleville, but it was tonnes better than Adventure Time
The backgrounds were really well done.

Man, probably my favorite series of all time.
Maybe it's not Tumblr: the cartoon, but
>cartoon so good, even tumblr can like it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkNV-0O1ya8
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>>77564605
>how dare these people talk about cartoons in a cartoon thread I don't even have to see, much less read
people like you are killing 4chan
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>>77564532
ugh thats the sad part too, its not even the shows that are trying to be creative or serious like SU or GF that the networks love

The true dark age will come when only TTGO and copy shows of it are left
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>>77564500
You're right, but Disney had a higher budget and better animators than and the sketch work is still crappier. Mark Henn who drew those is way more experienced than Rebecca Sugar, so why does the animation for SU somehow end up bette?
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>>77564637
Gravity Falls is bland and repetitive. And as Roadside Attraction shows, it's strong with the tumblr side.
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>>77564647
>post the one scene thats actually animated
>the rest of the cartoon's animation quality is no where near like it.

c'mon son, you're just lying to yourself.
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>people like those shows
>some those people are on tumblr
>THEY ARE LITERLLY ILLUMINATY SJW FEMINATZIS AND THOSE CARTOONS ARE PURE PROPAGANDA
>I HATE CARTOONS
>AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT COMICS SO I HATE'M EVEN MORE
>GODDAMN SJW!!!!!!


other, thing can you teenagers stop doing this threads?
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>>77564634
You're leaping to extremes. In Simpsons, almost everyone is yellow, but still follow normal anatomical rules. Samurai Jack has kinda big hands but still has normal arms. Shows with noodle/tube arms are just lazy.
>ugh
Hello, dumblr!
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>>77564647
IS THAT A NOODLE ARM ANON?! REEEEEEEEE
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>>77564689
yes because our modern computer technology doesn't assist in art or graphic designs in any way
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>>77564697
this
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>>77564634
That's the whole point of this thread doofus.
It's a show that tries to be all hardcore edge and takes itself very seriously but has an artstyle that an obnoxious highschooler could've puked out.

And anyway the animation is just not good. Thus the point.

>>77564647
>How is it tumblr
No anatomy, no edges or joints or hard lines, everythings squishy and soft from the eyes, limbs to the teeth. Every character has to look like they're made of rubber with no imperfections or solid structure. There's no real implication for form, understanding of contour or composition in anatomical knowledge at all.

Also, tumblr nose pops up frequently. (See Over the Garden Gnome) 40 tumblr noses. And that's just terrible.

>>77564662
>Ugh
We're not on tumblr you know.
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>>77564254
I might be. What's it to ya?
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>>77564716
Hardly anyone is talking about SJW, dumblr. You're more "muh sjw" than anyone else right now.
>"teenagers"
>that grammar
Stay off this site.
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This is literally a /tv/-tier thread, how embarrassing.
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>>77564716
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>>77564771
>takes itself very seriously

KEK
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>>77564605


i said once and will say it again, i will look for someone wo lurks in this board, like IRL, go to his house/apparment and shoot myself ...after ate 34 garlic burritos so that person would have to deal with my corpse and my shit.
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>>77564716
I'm more curious what the link between animation and tumblr is. That people HAVE tumblrs? Shocker.
Lots of animators visit /co/ too, why isn't the animation related to 4chan than?

>>77564723
And yet, the animation from those old classic disney movies (Even the crappy one, like the one posted) still ends up way better, more fluid and impressive overall. Even when those were hand drawn instead of tweened every other frame.
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>>77564771
Screencapped.
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>>77564091
damn that's some good animation
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>>77564805


THIS IS DOING IT LOUDLY!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!


btw, this thread is literally bait/shitposting
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>>77564806
They did a satire on The Purge. THE PURGE.
Also one on Inception.
You cannot more outlandishly pretentious than that.
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>>77564692
Damn, I've only seen the first season or so. I was planning on catching up with it, but ion fuck wit tumblr
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>>77564818
It's just an easy label that angry nerds can direct their hate to.

If I were to make a tumblr right now, would I become an sjw?
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>>77564109
This "unique" all looks kind of same-y to me.
I honestly don't see how someone can like one but not the rest of these currently airing shows.
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>>77564858
>opinions and criticism are shitposting
dat butthurt, you cannot make this shit up
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>>77564818
I'm not really sure how that is a realist argument, a classic disney movie has a way bigger budget than a modern tv show, also computers aren't used because they make the animation better, they are used because they make things cheaper and easier
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>Has animation entered a whole new dark age?
>over 100 posts
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What's wrong with Steven Universe?

Is it all the females? the same "sex" "relationships"?

Are those things really enough for you to dislike a well thought out, and paced story?

I know there's room for it to turn to shit but at this point it's pretty much been all plot since halfway through season 1, and I haven't seen a modern kid's cartoon prioritize overarching story like this.

>inb4 back to your general

how bout you fags stop being fags?
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>>77564091
>posting Ghibli
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>>77564781

Sorry, english isn't my native language. how is it then?
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>>77564040
>Be OP
>Make a shit post
>????
>Guaranteed replies
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>>77564040
not really, it's more popular than it's been in years
just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's entering some strange form of "dark ages"
and I realize the irony of telling a board full of twenty-something manchildren to grow up, but it's really the most applicable thing to say in this scenario
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>>77564590
They continued to be aimed primarily at children, and children in the present like different things than you.
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>>77564697
>>77564731
>>77564771

Man, I just admitted it doesn't have the best animation, but the music and plot were great.


God, do you guys just watch stuff on mute and ignore anything that's not animation? Or does paying attention bore you?
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>>77564886
I'm not sending you back to your general, I'm sending you back to where you belong.
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>>77564898
Kinda bad.

>>77564872
No you idiotic tumblr user. Everyone knows the site can have porn and some good art on occasion. Everyone also knows it's like reddit, Gaia, or 9gag, where 99% of the common content is shit.
>on 4chan
>calling someone else a nerd with negative connotation
>being this ignorant about the nature of the dislike of certain sites
And that's how I know you're an outsider.
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>>77564818
Have you seen the great mouse detective? The animation is terrible. All those direct to dvd movie animations that Disney did are terrible, why are you defending it?

I'm not lying when I observe see that even with the low budget of most modern cartoons they're better animated than those shitty direct to DVD movies or crappy Furry films. In terms of technical ability, framerate, consistency of models, backgrounds, really everything. Of course access to digital technology plays a huge part in that, but saying that modern cartoons are any worse than those 80's and 90's cash in's is just plain inaccurate.
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>>77564818
Because there is more a less a homogenized art style thats attributed to to tumblr. Which is a simplified art style mixed with an accentuated nose.

>>77564872
No but you would be a faggot
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>>77564920
I'm pretty sure kids today don't like tumblr.
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>>77564640
So the action doesn't count because it's only there to reference other action? And, if the action isn't necessary to the show but they put in a bunch anyway, that makes the action not count?
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>>77564928
I watch stuff for the animation, characters, and plot. If it lacks in one, it's shit.
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>>77564886
It's boring.
And honestly I wouldn't care much about that if you literally couldn't have any negative opinion without the defense force coming out about how it's the greatest show these last 10 years.
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Twitter Hipster Age. It'll pass.
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These threads are filled with jackasses.

It's always about modern noodle arm shit vs old anime and disney movies.

Why do the people who partake in these threads always forget all the western shows to talk about from 1987-2012?
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>>77564886
You do know that SU nearly killed someone?
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>>77564886
>What's wrong with Steven Universe?
It's cliche and tries way too hard to be anime. The pacing moves like molasses. The characters seem interesting at first but quickly become one-dimensional once they fall into the same traps and character traits. Character development is non-existent. The show relies on too much crying and FEELS like a bad shonen (I'm reminded of every arc of One Piece ever) and has a worse stuck on Namek Saga right now than, well Namek. It has absolutely no direction. The gem concept has potential but they do absolutely nothing with it. It's not well thought out nor well paced, and overall lacks any real style or substance.

I found the Pilot more engaging than SU when it airred even.
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>>77564993
But we do talk about those shows in their relevant threads. Are you thinking or not?
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>>77564967
I didn't say it doesn't count. Just that it barely counts because it's just phoned in for referencing.
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>>77564886
Honestly is an alright show but the fanbase is godawful. Which makes me hate the show because it doesn't have much going for it.

The "songs" are terrible, the voice acting is off, the designs are that interesting. Then you have a bunch of anime call backs, buts thats cheap fanservice, its doesn't really make the show good. The the show is subtle as a bag a bricks with it comes to the whole fusion stuff.
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>>77564976
>>77565016
Even the staff hates working on the show. One of the producers even left because he hates the show so much.

SU is the SAO of CN.
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>>77564947
>I'm not lying when I observe see that even with the low budget of most modern cartoons they're better animated than those shitty direct to DVD movies or crappy Furry films. In terms of technical ability, framerate, consistency of models, backgrounds, really everything.
Wait, are you serious? AHAHAHAHAH.
Oh wow you're deluded. You seriously think that tweeny tumblr-toons and cartoons made in flash are better animated than Disney's finest? I will destroy you if you keep insinuating that.

>>77564948
Funny how when it's a show that people here are more fond of (Like Rick and Morty or Sym-bionic Titan), they're less likely to attribute the derivative artstyle, homogenized and all to tumblr.
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>>77565016
>The gem concept has potential but they do absolutely nothing with it.
>cool alien race idea is a background story at best
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>>77565016
>>77565064
Blame Tumblr. The show was much more different for they got their hands on it.
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>>77565016
how much did u actually watch?

also u liked that Pilot? It basically has all the worst elements of the show, Steven being an annoying kid, way too much Lars, aka the most cliche character in the show and it just looks strictly worse than the designs they ended up with
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TV shows are pretty fine today. I think some earlier seasons, from a few years ago were better, but hey, nothing bad is happening. There's plenty of great stuff out.

If we're complaining about the actual animation/art itself, again, I don't think there's anything to worry about. Compare it to 70s/80s stuff even 90s/00s and there's a lot of difference in the detail of backgrounds/art/attention to detail.

If you're still complaining about real, real animation, it's been gone since the 50's. Get over it.
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>>77564151

Not really. It's because of the Disney Renaissance of the 90s as well as the television toon renaissance kick started by Ralph Bakshi and others. These eras produced athletics and practices that while sometimes overrated and overused are still better than weird ass shows about the Fonx and his ugly dog.
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>>77564040
Yes, and it's mostly tumblr's fault.
>inb4 tumblr boogeyman
You know what I mean
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>>77565084
I love how Sugar and Hirsch shill their shows as the best since Disney. What deluded freaks.
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Yes animation has reached it's lowest point.
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I will just never not be upset at how short motorcity was.
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>>77565084
Okay I get it you're a furry fanatic. Just because you get a hard-on for cartoon mice doesn't mean it's good animation.
> I will destroy you if you keep insinuating that.
I'm not "insinuating" it, I'm outright saying it.
In all aspects Modern Cartoons > B-level Subpar Disney movies.
Deal with it.
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>>77565084
rick and morty's art style is extremely derivative, but then again I don't love it for its animation.

As for symbionic-titan, it was made by gendy, sure his shit looks like the same derivative shit we see now. But gendy was one a the first people to change how cartoons are with simplfied shapes.
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>>77565106
They should've arrived on the Gem Planet by the beginning of season 2, if not the first few dozen episodes.

Instead we've spent what, how long going nowhere because GOTTA CATCH PERIDOT GOTTA GO FAST! ablooabloo.

>>77565129
I've seen nearly all of it (Minus some filler I didn't bother to rewatch), which is more than I'd like since it's stalled like hell.
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>>77565172
How can we stop tumblr from influencing cartoons?
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>>77564040
I only see good shows in your pick so I guess not?
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>bitching about cartoons
>not just enjoying the little things in life like cartoons
Fuck man. Thank god I just come here for storytimes.
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>>77565172
No, explain.

>>77565168
Don't forget John K!
John K kind of resurrected animation for a while.
Shame he's such a bitter old coot about and cannot do it again.
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>>77565227
>inb4 if you don't like it, why do you watch it
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>>77565227
According to Sugar, neither her or the crew know how the series will end. They just make shit up on the fly.
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>>77565227
Actually, this was the plan all along. However, the network made Sugar pad out the episodes because the plot was too fast for kids.
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>>77565229
i don't know, can you explain how they are influencing cartoons or are you just randomly blaming a group you dislike for something you dislike?

Basically whenever people cry tumblr I can't help but think of Hilter saying "I bet the Jews did this"
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>>77565189
Oh I'm a furry fapper? You just posted that pic not me, projecting much?
And even with technology they're lazily animated models moving in repeated copy pasted frames and rehashed backgrounds.

Classical animators, and even animators for "B-level movies" (What the fuck does that even mean?) have to draw everything frame by frame. The quality is inherently better by way of careful detail and attentiveness. Every bit of hair and shadow is in motion, it's undeniably superior to what you have in modern cartoons today, which is just two characters standing still while their lips move for minutes at a time.

Today's cartoons have picked up bad habits from the animes.
Bad animes. Baka no desu, go back to nippon bad animes.

>>77565229
We kill the tumblr.
The real question is how can we stop /co/ from bitching about cartoons? Let alone influencing them.
>Yes I'm looking at you AT writers
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>>77565328
Tumblr is the reason why there's so many things wrong with SU and OtGW.
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>>77565339
Once Tumblr is dead people will stop bitching about tumblr. Simple as that.
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>>77565232
So what are you saying, that we just shouldn't care about quality in our entertainment?
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>>77565130

I would argue that we are in a better state than we were in the late 90s/early 00s. There was a strange trend of cgi cartoons back in the day, But Ugly Martians, Jimmy Neutron, etc. Most of these shows sucked major Black cock. Nick started to become the Spongebob channel. CN started drying up of new content with fresh ideas, Toonami was axed. CN's foray into live action. 2006 to 2010 was a preety dark age man. No more cgi toons, we seem to have abandoned that fad, makes me hopeful for 2D animation in the future.
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>>77564040
No, the Dark Age was marked by dime-a-dozen Scooby Doo knock offs and poor theatrical performances.

While all of the shows in your picture share the common thread of being "coming of age with magical shit" they each offer something different from the other. Steven Universe is more slice of life with a mix of action, Gravity Falls is a monster of the week show with an overarching plot similar to X-Files and StarVs is a much more traditional wacky comedy parodying tropes common in fantasy and the magical girl genres.

Theatrically, although they have moved away from 2-D, animation has been ridiculously strong.
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>>77565347
any proof of this? or is it like blaming Jews for the German economy collapsing after WW1?
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>>77565347
Tumblr does not have control of SU or OtGW.
Now Adventure Time on the other hand, that's a matter of debate. Goddamn lesbian shippers.
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>>77564190
Lupin is awesome.
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>>77565392
Sugar is blatantly stated that cartoons need to pander to tumblr in order to stay afloat.
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>>77565373

he's saying that a lot of you are being dense.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXpWAO0F7ck
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>>77565373
>mostly just talking about how bad tumblr is
>on 4chan
Oh yes this is going to change it.
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>>77565403
>PB to Marcy: "I let my best friend get hurt..."
Or something along those lines.
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>>77565229
By not giving big studio jobs to millenials. I'm looking at you, CN
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>>77564771
>No anatomy, no edges or joints or hard lines, everythings squishy and soft from the eyes, limbs to the teeth. Every character has to look like they're made of rubber with no imperfections or solid structure. There's no real implication for form, understanding of contour or composition in anatomical knowledge at all.

this isnt tumblr, this is how cartoons were since forever. Ever hear of 'rubber hose' animation, or have you never watched anything pre-70's?
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>>77565427
lol would love to see a source on that quote man

and Miyazaki hates modern anime right?
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>>77565440
>inb4 some anon's irrational hate over Nostalgia Critic
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>>77565084
This coming from some Homofaggot to a comic that has hideous eye-scarring animations that make newgrounds look good, you've pretty much discredited any validity of you having good taste ever.
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>>77565463
Sadly that will never happen.
If it did, people would sue CN for "discrimination".
Let's face it, with out a vagina, Sugar would have never gotten SU on air.
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>>77565403
On the contrary, they played a huge hand in their development.
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>>77564336
Miyazaki is a huge Autist though. So of course his opinions are the same as /co/
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>>77565493
Yeah men are at a real disadvantage when it comes to getting garbage shows on the air. You really need a vagina to manage that!
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>>77564091
Why can't we ask Japan for animation in our cartoons anymore, again?
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>>77565478
The hate is justified. He's just funny to laugh at and weirdly relevant to bring up at random topics however.
>tfw Doug will never make a good review again without needing to make stupid cringe worthy skits
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>>77565535
But we get our animation from the same place they do, Korea.
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>>77565534
At least Problem Solverz never pandered to tumblr. So it's levels above SU in quality.
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>>77565493
>Let's face it, with out a vagina, Sugar would have never gotten SU on air.
It's a shame she couldn't have gotten SU to air on Disney without being a woman. I mean given that Daron Nancy and StVTFOE are only the second show ever to be directed by a woman on that network (The first being Pepper anne), she was so lucky to have that vagina bonus.
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>>77564188
Instead it's just a 22 minute tumblr commercial
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>>77565010
The fanbase did. And that "someone" was a mentally unstable tumblrina.
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>>77565534
>>77565581
Think about it, had Rebecca not gotten SU on air, she would have just played the female card.

If LPT was shot down, Ian would just play the race card.

Are you seeing what I'm putting down?
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>>77565260

He may be a crazy coot. But a lot of great animators worked under him and Bakshi, many would go on to do great things themselves, Bruce Timm, Lynn Naylor, Eddie Fitzgerald. That whole Mighty Mouse team was golden. That Kali chick that worked under John now does the Mickey Mouse shorts. There's also Katie Rice
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>>77565593
No joke. Sugar, Hirsch, Nefcy and others are signing deals that allow they're characters to show up in tumblr commercials. Nice to see where their loyalties lie.
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>>77565614
the what happened to my perfect white male world card?
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ITT: Anons bitch and moan, call everything tumblr, and suffer under the delusion that if they pretend to dislike everything it makes them seem cynical and cool rather than a tryhard faggot
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Everyone agrees that the premise of this thread is awful but everyone keeps on posting.
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>>77565478
>irrational
NC is legitimately terrible. All of his skits are cringe-worthy and his exaggerated impotent rage at everything got old years ago..
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>>77565596
The fanbase never would have done that if it weren't for the show.
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>>77565631
If John K had his way he would pretty much kill all all cartoons and end the industry today because in his holier than thou opinion, absolutely everything and anything that's not Ren and Stimpy is shit.
Only instead of blaming everything wrong with cartoons on tumblr, he just blames them on him not being responsible for them.
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>>77565639

> My god, they're advertising on a social network that we dislike! Don't they realize that we've made it into a huge bogeyman on our boards and think there's some sort of political implication behind running ads?

Fucking kill yourself jesus christ
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>>77565648
>>77565692
Tumblrinas detected.
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>>77565648
Nah it's just the usual weak bait

>>77565657
He was kinda better when he was a critic. Of Nostalgia. A nostalgia critic, you know?
I cannot even remember the last real nostalgic thing he reviewed. Now he just does terrible movies that came out a year or even few months ago. He's become as bad as all of his detractors and his imitators.
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>>77565657
Eh his earlier stuff was funny. Same with AVGN, and the imitators he inspired. At least he's not a sick degenerate like his peers.
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>>77565692
Riddle me this anon; why aren't they letting their characters star in ads for 4chan?
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>>77564886

>well paced story

Bitch I've been in /sug/ since we were still whining about the possibility of calling it a general. Well paced story my ass.
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>>77565711
>This weak bait
Hey nerd, did you know that Rick and Morty advertised on Deviantart for several months? DEVIANTART.
Call the sirens, hail the alarms. They've sold out to those damned dirty DA pandering deviants.

But honestly who cares.
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>>77565748
Sugar stated that she planned on dragging the story on for as long as she could. In her own words:
>"Why let the golden cow go unmilked?"
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>>77565743
cause we literally have the worst reputation on the internet and have literal hacker groups associated with us
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Steven Universe is a shitty show. Tumblr keep it alive. I used to be really into SU until I took a step back from it and realized how straight up autistic it is. Steven has the personality of the 20 year old tumblrina writing his dialogue. The series wants to be anime, but the worldbuilding is shit, and the only relationship it has to its "inspirations" is glossy backgrounds. Show is pure cancer. Good for mindless watching.

Gravity Falls is worth watching. Over the Garden wall was a fantastic mini series with great storytelling, but why is it with the rest of these? It was a mini series that ended last year.

Star is not even as good as SU. It's slapstick for neckbeards who like lolis.
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>>77565743

Probably because 4chan has a significantly dirtier reputation than tumblr, or doesn't have the numbers, or doesn't support the type of ads they want to do, or doesn't attract the demographic they want to advertise to, or any of a thousand different business decisions that have absolutely nothing to do with this autistic tumblr vs. 4chan war that nobody outside of maybe 5%, max, of the users of both those sites gives one flying fuck about
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>>77565730
Doug is a degenerate by association and passivity. If you've heard of all the corrupt shit he let his brother and manager slip by and gone "noht my poblem" while looking the other way you'd be disgusted. It's thanks to kek doug that we lost Allison and several others.

Plus his wife is fat. No relevance here, but she is.
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>>77565790
Still no reason why we can't Steven and Mabel do a few ads for us.
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>>77565806
>Steven has the personality of the 20 year old tumblrina writing his dialogue

Do you read what you write or what?

>Shitting on Star for being fun

Oh, I guess not. Nevermind.
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>>77565820
AD PEOPLE
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>>77565806
In the words of Ian J. Quartery:
"The show is shit, the characters are shit, and the people are shit. But the paycheck is good so why complain?"
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>>77564166
Action cartoons don't make money anymore, CN decided that. They died off a long time ago.
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>>77565806
How could 4chan improve SU?
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>>77564857
>screenshot
>good animation
Kill yourself.
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>>77565869
THIS THREAD IS AN AD BY TUMBLR AND ANIMATION PEOPLE
THE AD PEOPLE
THEY'RE TAKING OVER
TALK LIKE ADS
WALK LIKE PEOPLE
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>>77565657
>>77565540
This man. Cringey like nothing else. At least AVGN does more than sit at a desk, and stare at a camera.
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>>77565806
>Star
>loli
Do you even realize what a loli is? Its not the same thing as being jailbait you know
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>>77565912
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>>77565888
I love how everyone complains about SUs plot and the imaginary tumblr pandering. When 'Action Cartoons' like Ben 10 and Generator Rex were horrible, episodic monstrosities written by hacks and very blatantly pandering towards the toys and advertising for it.
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>>77565679
I think he's gone on record saying he hates all the Ren and Stimpy imitations. I just want like Mighty Mouse again, the show aged like fine wine. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rVKE-etrHFA
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>>77565900
Connie is on Steven's dick 24/7 because she knows she won't live forever.
Everyone just tells Pearl to shut the fuck up whenever she opens her stupid mouth.
Peridot keeps doing anime shit because let's face it, that's what we want, no matter how much some people complain.
Ruby and Sapphire NEVER EVER show up again and are never referenced for any reason, Garnet gets to keep her own character without being a walking metaphor.
Greg gets a fucking job, or is at least SHOWN supporting his son.
Amethyst stays Purple Puma all the time and is constantly making /woo/ jokes.


What else?
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>>77565900
Honestly, /sug/ comes up with amazing storyline ideas that we will likely never see in the show, because the crew ain't really into worldbuilding.
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>>77564040
Nice and safe now that the soccer moms have bullied everyone.
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/co/ isn't actuallt turning on Over the Garden Wall, is it? Fucking hell this place has gotten awful.
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>>77565925
He honestly doesn't even NEED a camera. His best and funniest videos in his early era just came from him narrating over clips and throwing a joke here o there. The skits are so terrible however, why does he do them?
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>>77565976
Greg runs a car wash and literally built the house Steven lives in what more do you want from the man?
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>>77565979
>/sug/
Reminder /sug/ still exists >>>/trash/211518
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>>77565989

No it isn't, people are just engaging in 4chan's favorite hobby, pointless bitching
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Does anyone think Star will get really good in it's second season? I vaguely remember Gravity Falls didn't go anywhere or set up much lore in it's first Season either.
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>>77566035
I would rather wait out the hiatus than visit that place.

>>77566023
I know that, but people want to SEE him doing something useful to believe it.
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>>77565989
People were complaining about Garden when it came out.
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>>77565979
World building is useless without character building.
Backstory snippets are not character building Tbh
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>>77565819

Fat wife. At least she didn't have a dick. Also what are we talking here? Is she one of those fat chicks that was born to be fat. Or one of those fat chicks with a really cute face, that shit used to trip me up in high school.
-John Bender
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>>77566023
The fact Greg runs a car wash makes him a shit character with no motivation.
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>>77565979
Sugar has been recorded laughing at the idea of worldbuilding in her show. She really wants it to be a episodic series like AT.
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>>77566049
>people
>actually just anon
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>>77566102
I believe you wholeheartedly and without a hint of doubt despite a lack of source.

I know you would never lead me astray, fellow anon.
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>>77566083
Plus, it's confirmed he steals money from his son.
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>>77566061
Nobody cares about character building though.
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>>77566119
Just look at her AT episodes and come to your own conclusions.
There, now you know.
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>>77566102
I mean its not like she got famous for her Adventure Time episodes which were all about both character building and world building
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>>77566119

Good. Sugar was also quoted as saying "Fuck 4chan, and fuck freedom of speech. This is for tumblr! Long live queers!" on a video where she sucked Moot's dick to convince him to shut down /pol/. It's happening next week.
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>>77564154
>>77564877
>>77564547

OtGW's the first western animated miniseries that I can think of, and kids liked it.
Gravity Falls and SU are odd, they're definitely not action, but when they want to tell serious stories they can do it effectively. GF does it better than SU does.
Star is basically a psuedo-action, mostly comedy show for the female demographic. It's harmless really.

Keep in mind, these shows aren't perfect. Nor are they all individual, but I'd have to say this trend started with Adventure Time, and I'm not even sure how it had such a huge impact on animation, at least children's animation. I'm just talking seriously here, guys.
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>>77566139
When?
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>>77566040

Right now there's a trend of shows becoming more serial- like and abandoning the whole sitcom aesthetic, so pretty much yeah. I actually like the show, it's well animated, none of the characters are annoying or cliche, and BEST of all, no annoying autistic fandom.
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>>77564190
japanese animators are damn near slaves
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>>77566201
not sure if I can agree with GF being better than SU, I mean how many episode did we have to spend on Dipper's creepy crush on Wendy that literally everyone knew was leading no where again? 4-5 episodes, maybe more
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>>77566176
Why would you want a show with a decent world but shitty flat characters? What's the point of that? It leads you to not giving a shit about any of the characters, which is what happens with Steven Universe aside from Steven who gets character building through his "filler" as the severely autistic say
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>>77566178
>>77566181
Muto was known for world building episodes. Sugar was in charge of the relationship stories.
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>>77566194

Moot is a such a C U C K he can't even get the micro dick up. Gnomesaiyan? White boi got a 0.5 inch dick.
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>>77566253
Not him but there's definite bias due to the fact that Gravity Falls is actually fucking doing SOMETHING right now.

Shame it was all saved up for the last bit of the series.
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>>77566040

First season definitely had its ups and downs, and getting screwed over by Disney, who kept switching animation studios on them so they could make My Little Lionguard definitely didn't help.

But it definitely got more solid as the season went on, and it seems like they have an overarching plot in mind. I have high hopes for S2. Especially since they've said they're going to have episodes concentrating on my favorite background character, Janna.
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>>77566258
And that's why Steven is the worst character. I don't care about his problems or character Injust want him to kick ass.

Ocarina of Time was an amazing game and it didn't need an character building for Link.
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>>77566262
>Sugar in charge of relationships

>"Ok guys Sugar left, but I'm sure we can handle this like mature adults that have every idea of what a healthy relationship looks like and how to acceptably present the concept to children on a daytime cartoon."
>"What could possibly go wrong?"
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>>77566286
also doing means waiting a mouth between giving us the second half of a two parter

Thanks Disney, really love your scheduling
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>>77566310
They wouldn't be doing it if they didn't know you'd just lie there and take it.
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>>77566258
Honestly, SU has the most unlikable characters I've ever seen in a cartoon. If they were all killed by a nuke, O don't think I'd miss a single one.
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>>77566299
>using 4chan on a phone
Kill yourself.
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>>77566258
Bait harder, anon. SU has excellent character building, but nearly nothing in the world building department. They just kind of bullshit through it and keep things vague with some kind of "war" in the past and a homeworld planet we will never see. Bullshit.
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>>77566201
I feel like it wasn't just animation AT had an effect on but Genre. The coordinates for what shows can be and what they can get away with has changed.

AT introduced this weird format for shows that are both episodic and vaguely serial with interconnecting plotlines. Before AT you'd absolutely never see something like "Arcs" in childrens cartoons, save for the odd exception like Kids Next Door.

Now they're taken as a given in most shows. Even episodic comedies like The Amazing World of Gumball have "Arcs" of sorts and reoccuring storylines.

It's especially weird to see South Park now revolve around season-spanning plots, compared to what it was 15 years ago.
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>>77566305
that show needs someone in charge, literally everyone seems to want to take their own direction with each character and it just makes them completely inconsistent in terms of characterization
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>>77566305
Honestly, the relationships in AT are a lot more healthier than in SU.
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>>77566258
>Why would you want a show with a decent world but shitty flat characters? What's the point of that?
>What is Homestuck/AT/SU
Easy. It allows for fans to self insert their OCs and inserts into the world better if there's a lot of world building.

It's easier for people to insert into worlds with a lack of characters than it is inserting into characters will dull worlds. It sounds strange but it's true.
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>>77566337
Why would expect world building? Sugar promised an SoL show, not something plot driven. Of course we're never going to see the war or the Gem home world or anything like that.
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>>77566328
Actually you're right. I rather like the show, but I can't think of a single character that I'd miss.
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>>77566350

As much as people here like to bitch about SJWs and tumblr and shit quite possible the single most PC thing you can do, and the most dangerous since it's so unquestioned, is just declare entire relationships "unhealthy" because you happen to dislike the dynamic personally
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>>77564040
>Has animation entered a whole new dark age?

/co/ always think this, because modern animation pander internet fetish for people downloading of TPB and Mega versus 90s cartoons when was a televised medium for the sake of profit.
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>>77566346
Definitely, but it's almost over...I think.

It's also the reason we have this fucking Status Quo. It's not the work of one person maliciously resetting everything, it's the work of everyone pulling the show in a different direction so that it never actually moves from the starting point longer than it takes someone to pull it the opposite way.

>>77566350
Healthier yes. Part of the show, for some reason I don't understand, is Steven fixing broken relationships.
Everyone on the show seems to be in a terrible relationship, though.
They're well-written, actually, just horrible.
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>>77566238
>no annoying autistic fandom.
Its autistic fandom it's smaller, but not inexistent.
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>>77566381
In fact, I'd love it if they just wrote off the whole cast and replace them with some decent characters.
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>>77566337
>SU has excellent character building
Lot's of screen time and development =/= any real growth or development. We really haven't gotten any good depth from the SU cast in any way yet. Show me some serious development that told us something about the characters we didn't already know or couldn't figure with 15 seconds of speculation before, just try.
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>>77566372
I was actually going to post that but it felt like a low blow to call out the autistic children who use episodic as a dirty word for their projection
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>>77566339
>AT introduced this weird format for shows that are both episodic and vaguely serial with interconnecting plotlines. Before AT you'd absolutely never see something like "Arcs" in childrens cartoons, save for the odd exception like Kids Next Door.

You're forgetting justice league and Gargoyles.
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I never get this. I mean I get some people have opinions, but what makes people think these new cartoons are absolute tumblr-shit?

Sure some are expressing new ideas, but it's not forcefed, preachy, or have that whole "subversive ooooh I'm a tumblr SJW fag", it's just a meh. Part of the story. And a good story at that.

OTGW was more like a series of folk tales that had Americana, a thing never done that well before, dripping from the pores in an interesting way with a tightly made folk-talish story, which in itself is something rarely seen because if we ever make a story of a folk tale it's asian or european; America lacking its own since colonization due to its youth.

Gravity Falls actually had fun moments, atleast I think so, with some very interesting yet still cartoony mysteries that kept me gripped, as well as making references or jokes that, honestly, tickled my funny bone a bit.

cnt...
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>>77566389
They writers use the show to vent about there own terrible relationships. So yeah, that's why.
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>>77566434
>actually trying to figure out what "tumblr" means when used as an adjective

Anon, no.

No.
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>>77566434


Star vs the Forces of Evil was always something I thought Disney forgot to do for the longest time - How to take their shitty sitcoms and make them animated, and make them good. Now it still has some of those Disney-esque cracks and lolrandom shit going, but I like to think it's overshadowed by the humor and the eccentric art that's not too rainbow-vomit enducing, but also not too boring.

Lastly, Steven Universe. Can watch this whole show and you see the same-sex couple (could be argued that it's more like pansexual or omnisexual like ME's Asari, being ROCKS), the interesting pairings, the mainly female heroines, the dark skinned love interest, etc etc. But it's not preachy about this shit. It doesn't shove it in your face, it doesn't bring it up, it does one thing; Tell a good story, have some good feels moments, and have some fun moments. The only reason I even think about the above mentioned things is because SJW fag-hats bring it up. I'm here trying to enjoy the show, and they won't shut the fuck up about its progressiveness. It's like trying to listen to a good beat but some ass won't stop talking about the deeper meaning, or reading some interesting Sci-Fi story and some autist won't shut the hell up about the finer details representing the microcosm of society and its unfairness. Fucker, I'm trying to enjoy a story with lasers, feels, and heart. Fuck off with social commentary.

Examples of things done wrong in animation, though, would be like Korra. Got way too fucking preachy, story lacked and didn't make up for it, and that super-tumblr autist force-fed ending didn't help things along.
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>>77566381
There's Connie, but the only thing she brought to the table is sex appeal.
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>>77566384
>is just declare entire relationships "unhealthy" because you happen to dislike the dynamic personally
We may be going along different trains of thought here but wouldn't it be the opposite? If you're not willing to critically examine and be suspicious of creepy, unorthodox dynamics you'll end up with really disgusting relationships in turn that only continue because you end up policing them.

Knowing when a relationship is unhealthy and when to act is the LEAST pc thing you could do, and least dangerous.

Although it may vary on gender, every girl I know has told me they've been warned about 'stranger danger' and to trust their intuition when it comes to bad relationships. Guys don't have to worry about that (Or atleast aren't warned about it) because they're stereotypically not the victims in most relationship.s
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>>77566468
I thought it was pretty clear. SJW LGBT Environmentalism Feminism etc etc. Guess I won't use tumblr as an adjective then.
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>>77566419
A lot of the characters got more preachy.
Other than that, I got nothing.
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>>77566423
Case in point, look at shows like The Lion King or MLP. The characters are all one note and their entire characterization can be described in a single paragraph. They're nothing but clop fodder.

But the world's they exist in, well people are really attracted to the escapism of the worlds. That's why they want to go to Equestria/Sburb/Hogwarts, they don't actually want to be Harry or Purplesmart.
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>>77566523
>Guess I won't use tumblr as an adjective then
Good job, man.

>>77566483
>Connie
>sex appeal
Anon the only appeal she has is "female".
Calm down.
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>>77564040

Yes. Thanks to MLP, everybody in Earth thinks (all) western animation is for weird 34-years-old adults.
This is unanticipated consequences of internet simulcasting went big and legit and suddenly pretty much every cartooon is easily available online.
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>>77566328
I like Steven and Garnet a lot.
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>>77566242
Oh, as opposed to all the other animators, who never complained about their conditions.

The japanese have slaves.
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how do we save western animation /co/?
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>>77566419
>Deeper look into the meaning of fusion.
>Pearl's relationship with Rose
>Awkwardness of a Gem-Human shipping
>Amathtyst's relation to the group
>Pearl's role in Gem Society
>Peridot's representation of Gem Society
>Peridot's shifting view points
>Connie and her Mother's relationship
>Steven and his Dad moments
>Steven and his Mother whom he has never met
>Pearl and Garnet's relationship, tied with Fusion

Off the top of my head
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>>77566599
I used to like Garnet, but lately she has become less likable.

>>77566613
It doesn't really need saving, but some good action shows would be nice.
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>>77566613
Find the middle man where we can have new, interesting ideas and be unafraid to explore new aspects, while at the same time not jumping off the fucking ship to drown in the newness of everything?

Easier option: Fuck it, vidyuh gaymez
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>>77566509

It strikes me as PC because they have a very, very narrow and unrealistic idea of what constitutes a 'healthy' relationship and are all too willing to label other people, and I said it's dangerous because it's so permeated our society that this extremely narrow idea of what makes up a healthy relationship is already pretty firmly rooted in our mental health industry.

And constantly questioning whether every relationship you're in is 'unhealthy' because of whatever extremely abstract notion you've been convinced is the indicator of healthy relationships is only going to lead to one thing: Constant self-sabotage and difficulty entering and maintaining relationships at all, because when you're constantly on the lookout for 'unhealthy' signs, everything begins looking unhealthy to you.
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>>77566599
>A Gary Stu and a Mary Sue
Go figure.
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>>77566419
>Pearl getting over her past as a gem escort slave weakling who couldn't fight, and getting more confident.
> Amethyst grappling with terrible baggage because her closest friends basically agree it would've been better if she was never made
>Steven going from dumb clueless kid to a growing hero who's more emotionally mature and empathic than all the gems put together
>Rose gets background development, showing her go from an alien general who sees humans as cute toys to someone who's deeply appreciative of human lives and accomplishments
>Peridot starting to see why being gem racist and autistic is maybe wrong
Take your pick, anon.
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>>77566635
Bring back Sym-Bionic. That had a more story driven Samurai Jack feel going to it.

Oh the tears of another premature cancellation....
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>>77566635
Garnet has ironically become nothing more than the sum of her parts, Ruby and Sapphire.
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>>77564091
>We will never get a full on your mark movie
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>>77566613

Increase the flexibility and fluidity of computer animation to the point that you can make something decent without having an army of low-wage slaves.
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>>77566666
SATAN YOU BASTARD
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>>77564040
That's not how you spell "golden age." We're going to be telling our grandkids about these shows when we're oldfucks.
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>>77566666
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>>77566660
You're saying it like it's a bad thing. It's like Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune.
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>>77566434
>I mean I get some people have opinions, but what makes people think these new cartoons are absolute tumblr-shit?

I don't really agree with them, but I can see where the criticism comes from. My hunch comes from the simple difference between the pilot and comic of series like SU and Star Vs, and the show+Presentation itself.

They has so much more substance to them and would've been really neat, and actually would've been pushing the edge a little. Pilot SU has some cool 80's aesthetics, the Star Vs comics looked like something close to Ren and Stimpy than a cutsy magical girl sitcom.

Than you look at the end result, and while they're not completely terrible per say you can sort of see where they flattened out. Kinda, dulled and trimmed off those edges, softening them into a squishy homogeneous kid-friendly mush in turn that's completely inoffensive and lacks the stylistic substance of where they came from.

"Tumblr" as an adjective has come to mean juvenile, safe, PC and overly committed to compromise for a specific niche audience. (Even if in this case it's technically the target audience) And even if the fears are overstated, I see where they're coming from. The shows are solid in many ways but they play it safe, and it distracts from the entertainment value. All the emphasis is on feelings and emotions, relations and personal growth. There's very little sense of danger or that there's anything 'real' at risk 90% of the time, and that can make the conflict seem really lacking at times. I don't even think the shows are allowed to show blood, it's not just a stylistic complaint about the characters being noodle-nosed and rubbery, but that we're not allowed to acknowledge them in any sort of fragility or weakness. Real physical harm, or situations that demand more than just an emotional epiphany for resolution, ya know? And you compare it to all those dark shows from the 90s, one can kinda see what they mean.
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>>77566700
Hey I love half those shows but that's a blatant lie, anon.
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>>77564040
>dark age

idiots say this, you know modern animation have much focus in human characters meanwhile furry cartoons are limited to regular show and CGI crap.
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>>77566472
Ironically, I admire Korra for it's ambition. It's a shame Bryke were such shit writers that they couldn't just consult someone and balance out the story a little.

Don't even get me started on the disgusting lesbian pandering at the end.
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>Over 70 people were baited here today.
>They started fighting because someone made a critique about their show

How is /co/ better than tumblr?
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>>77566743
90s was truly a time for animation. None of this weak shit here.
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>>77566743

> There's no violence, or suggestion of violence, or anything really at risk

the season finale of Star vs. had Star blowing a monster's arm off, having her best friend almost slowly crushed to death before her eyes, and a recurring character incinerated by a magical explosion tho
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>>77566743
Hmm... yeah I can see that.

Which, as I said in an earlier post, means one thing...

Symbionic Fucking Titan. The way that show was going we had heart and violence. One scene is high school life with some feels, the next we're watching the space version of Man King.
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>>77566798
Simple. People who love shows like SU and GF are the vocal minority. On the tumblr, the vocal minority always wins. On 4chan, the vocal minority gets BTFO.
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>>77566779
Honestly I was fine wtih that ending but Bryke kept opening his mouth to drive his pandering into the ground.
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>>77566779
Right? I would have no fucking problem with it if it was just fluid in the first place. Like, again, SU. It's just there, it's natural, the end.

Better ending for Korra, I think, would have been if, (and going off memory), the entire gang gather outside, just congregating by chance, and all of them just stand side by side as they watch the light, and the Avatar steps up to the light BY HERSELF, turns around and... fuck idk. Smiles? Camera pan up, credits.

Wouldn't excuse the show, but it'd probably be the best ending we could get outta that series.
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>>77566808
Where was the blood and gore though? 90d cartoons had blood and gore.
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>>77566821
>On 4chan, the vocal minority gets BTFO
This isn't fucking true at all. In fact, the vocal minority thrives here because we're anonymous.
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>>77566798
Because /co/ isn't tumblr. Duh!
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>>77566821
>People who love shows like SU and GF are the vocal minority
I like living in imaginationland, too.

>the vocal minority gets BTFO
Okay maybe we should take a step back, here.
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>>77566839
How new are you? This isn't Reddit.
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>>77566856
see >>77566847
You're a huge idiot.
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>>77566814
No one is fucking saying that you dumb fuck.
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>>77566814
80s shows were shit. 70s shows were shit on a stick. 20s-60s cartoons like Looney Toons and Disney? Yeah alright.
90s? Hit and miss.
2000's? Shiiiiit with a few gems.
2010s? Okay now we're talking.
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>>77566864
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>>77566878
Exactly. We are not Rebecca Sugar.>>77566880
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>>77566878
Ohhh yeah that's right.

Surprisingly, 4chan's /co/ has more of a limit than Tumblr's... misguided SJW autists?

In retrospect, this is weird as fuck, considering their typically portrayed as the ultra-pacifist types while 4chan would be the ones more than likely to get someone to an hero for shits n' giglges.
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>cartoons will never be better than anime

why not accept it /co/?

korean anime-tors already animate your cartoons
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>>77566878
>force someone to kill themself
Come on now.
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>>77566644
How exactly is that a PC thing? Having healthy relationships isn't exactly a new thing or anything, this has been a concept in sitcoms for decades, and even a staple of literature and romance for hundreds of years. It's not about finding a 'perfect' relationship or one that's so healthy it's always going to work out and be maintained. That sort of thing is inherently impossible, and I think most sensible people know that.

No relationship is ever going to be 'healthy' in a sense that you cannot find things wrong with it. It's pertinent to relationships that you let them play out, narrow or no without a label. If anything it seems like the idea is more fixated in media and our obsession with relationships on television and film, but I wasn't really thinking of healthy in terms of mental health.

Every relationship is 'unhealthy' realistically speaking, it's the questioning it that allows you to realize what indicators for change will allow you to work it out. If you've found a perfect healthy relationship where neither partner needs to change or work on anything, both satisfied to stay in their safe zones and be perfectly comfortable with some ideal of imagined health, that only strikes me as possible through extremely authoritarian and PC thinking. (It being "healthy" because you don't question it or allow any room for doubt)
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>>77566878
I don't still have the thread up but are you the same person that tried to make that argument earlier tonight and got laughed out of the thread?

4chan has done much worse.

Fortunately, we've also done so much more good in the world than tumblr that it makes up for it.

>>77566891
Wait are you saying Sugar condoned bullying a mentally ill paraplegic into suicide?

Boy it sure is a good thing nobody ever lies on 4chan.
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>>77566904
I will not deny this.

But there' only so much high school big-eyed Oniichaaaaans kawaaaiiiii 16 year old hero, save the world, mechapilots with giga powers half-daemon shit I can handle.

Nice to sit back and just watch a boy and his magic dog, or a kid and his three rock-mammas, or twins in a weird town, or two brothers lost in an Americana woods.
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>>77566898
Tumblr ultra-pacficists? You're imagining things, anon. They claim to want peace but only on their terms. One step over the line and you are fucked.
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>>77566898
>4chan would be the ones more than likely to get someone to an hero for shits n' giglges.

4chan more chaotic neutral.
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>>77566916
She practically high fives everyone who bullied that girl.
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>>77566930
Oh, I bet your next line will be, "I was only pretending to be retarded."
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>>77566253
Ok, I can see why some people would like SU more than GF, but I think that really leant itself towards character. I mean, the show would be way worse if it was just dipper going around solving things. His creepy crush is a pretty good character flaw, and something he's been working on.


>>77566659
Shhh...shhh....Let's not dream of what can't happen.
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>>77566916
Name five things that 4chan has done that are "worse".
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>>77566941
God damn this is some good bait.

No really though, for anyone not busy joking here the SU staff spoke out against the situation and then tumblr turned on them for not going along with the mob mentality.

Matt is/was going to stop talking to the fans at all because they're fucking nuts.
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>>77566808
It was touchingly safe still. The whole scene was all comfy and basic slapstick violence, but not even that violent. All of them might as well have been made of rubber.

Remember the old Road Runner Cartoons, or Tom and Jerry? Even going by slapstick those shows were far more violent than anything allowed on cartoons today.
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>>77566904
>Le smug face

Anime has bad seasons and good seasons.Cartoons stay good in their current airtime.
Cartoons also aren't Naruto and Death note so that's a plus
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>>77566964
Than just going "You're a terrible person, please kill you're self."

Seriously?

Just because the people on tumblr will actually take something like that to heart doesn't make it some terrible crime/
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>>77566644
Hey anon are you ok? Sounds like relationships is giving you some serious anxiety shit. I think most people don't care about that stuff as long as they're not being completely horrible assholes about it.
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And people wonder why the /sug/ general got banned. Shitposters posted the bait and people keep on responding. What, you think you're ever going to change their minds? Steven Universe is popular enough that a few vocal shitposters were able to bring it down and no would that they were samefagging.

This is my last post in this thread, good night, /co/. Take it away, mod friend.
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>>77566969
Now why would the staff get mad at their Tumblr overlords? They're the ones who pay their bills.
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>>77565301
Sugar said in her leddit ama that she knows how it will end, but is leaving room for it to grow.
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>>77566904
Anime's lame. You might get 1 or 2 good cartoons a season and the rests all the same schoolgirl/moe shit.
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>>77567006
Just bullshit to dupe world builders into watching her show.
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>>77566963
I know man... but I can dream. A man can dream.

Also, 'bout the SU/GF thing. But Dipper has other aspects he could grow in. I.E. the very much wanted shipping of him and Pacifica, the results of such dangerous things that could get someone hurt (Been expecting that this whole time), the impact of the weirdness on these people's lives... etc etc
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>>77567001
You posted a good bait too.I would point how there were other fandoms in the treadh but since you are going away:Bye bye
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>>77567002
Anon I know this is going to sound absolutely insane but bear with me here:

The people that are complaining about the staff on tumblr aren't the target demographic and aren't being advertised to by the people paying the staff's bills.

They don't matter.
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>>77567039
gravity falls fans are one of the main ones who come to /sug/ for some reason
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>>77567043
Next you're going to tell me that OtGW was legitimately good.
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>>77566923
i just dont understand it

i get introduced into this new manga
then a few months later some animation company picks it up and makes it a fucking animation

when was the last time did this shit happen to comics?
the next big comic never becomes a cartoon unless its the supermans or the spidermans

is anime simply just more lucrative than cartoons?
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Conversation about shows turns into talks about the fanbase. Yep, we're down in the shitter, boys.
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>>77567002
You realize there's an entire contingent on tumblr who absolutely hate Steven universe?
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>>77567100
Yeah, they go to 4chan.
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>>77567112
Pretty sure they're on Tumblr.
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>>77567112
No aside from that. They're the ones who get mad SU isn't "doing enough" to further pandering because they're that fucking entitled. That and Sugar's EEE porn really did it for them. To them, SU is oppressive.
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>>77567098
You must be new here.Shit like this always happens.
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>>77567148
I never said I was surprised.
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>>77567146
YEAH, AND THEY'RE FROM 4CHAN. It's reverse trolling bullshit.
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>>77567094
Western comics are 99% superhero comics, and like 90% just Superman/batman/Spiderman ones. How many cartoons of those heroes do we need?
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>>77567166
Poe's Law.
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>>77567192
Those look like they were all posted by the same person for the sake of that image.

>Select all signs with street names
>Get 9 pics of Wheelchair/Handicaps signs
You wot captcha?
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>>77567214
They're on point, so it doesn't matter.
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Holy shit mods are you guys that fucking petty?
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>>77567173
thats my point

you dont see the next best webcomic out there getting picked up by a studio
they dont want to invest on it unless its one of the "superhero" comics

indie mangas in the east usually get picked up by studios if the manga gets enough traction
see this gif
ive come across the manga version of this and i thought it was the most delusional shit ive ever read in my life
next thing you know its a fucking anime
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>>77567229
I'm assuming you posted that one deleted post for hours just a bit ago.

Fuck you, we don't need ACTUAL shitposting in the designated shitposting thread.
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>>77567034
I think they might have done the Pacifica thing if Alex had gotten his third season.

I think they did deal with the weirdness in lives with the memory eraser episode. And people getting hurt is hard with a limited population show. But yeah, would have been cool.


SU just kind of confuses me. On one hand, everyone learns at least one lesses. On the other hand, the gems are what, 900 years old or so? It feels like they shouldn't need a 12 year old or so to show them this stuff.
With Stan and Stanford though, it feels like they're learning middle aged stuff, like how to deal with kids and accepting the past.
But that's just me. Both are entertaining shows, and I won't hold it against anyone for having a preference.
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>>77567280
I think I have you confused with someone else. Nevermind.
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>>77567283
>900
Try 5000.

Needing a 12 year old to tell them shit is kinda the point of him being a hybrid. He's their one real connection to the species they worked to save because the only one of them that actually gave a damn is gone.
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>>77564040
...you know, intially I'd say your over reacting but with so many cartoon shows switching entire animation studio's mid season, the rushed production scedules and budget cuts resulting in lot's of animation errors making it on air...you might be on to something...I mostly blame greedy corperate assholes squeezing every penny and not really having any passion for what they produce.
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>>77567250
Comics are still see as a "for kids" thing. Not hard to see. Take a look at what role comics play in Japan, then compare to US. Even housewives and salarymen read fucking comics over there.
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>>77567316
It wasn't like this in the 90s.
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>>77567283
It's to show the difference between humans and gems. We have short "insignificant" lives yet we can learn and grow and create far more than they can.

I mean, come on. It was confirmed homeworld never invented the fucking wheel.
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>>77567342
The early 90's saw an extremely brief period of actually good animation/budget on TV. It was just the eye of the storm started by UPA and later, Hanna Barbera, though. Though UPA's styles were good and different, people misinterpreted their work and used it to push limited animation anywhere, even places it wouldn't fit. Why not? It saves money, and kids will watch anything! Too bad even the adult cartoons got just as stiff, eventually. Adult animation in the 30's/40's is something we'll never see in full swing, again. There's no way to stop it.
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>>77567250
>What is Scott Pilgrim
I bet Homestuck would be sold to a studio in a heartbeat if the author didn't protect his franchise like a hawk.
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>>77567301
>Thousands of years old
>Needs a 12 year old kid to explain humanity
Wat
That doesn't make a lick of fucking sense.

Even less so since we see Greg and Rose hook up and the gems are way young than. Either they stayed young for thousands of years and aged inexplicably for no reason, or Greg is ancient.
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I personally think modern cartoons look pretty good. I just don't like that they're all trying to kids into pansexual genderqueer otherkins.
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>>77567321
One Piece has been the subject of entire academic study there. The most we get are a few fringe books on Superheros being modern myths.
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>>77567346
And yet, the humans still manage to be dull, unlikable and boring.
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>>77567390
>new comic ip
>heavily manga inspired
>gets picked up by a studio

SEE WHAT I MEAN
ITS ALWAYS BECAUSE OF THE MANGOES
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>>77567428
The gems' forms are partly based on how they feel, so when Rose left and they had a kid to take care of, they were forced to stop acting like Rose's children and act more like Steven's parents. At least that's how I interpreted it.
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>>77567443
Well to bad because genderqueers are a lucrative business. You'd be stupid not to pander to them.
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Jokes and shitposting aside,OP is actually right.

We aren't entering a dark age.We already entered it.

Nowadays every single fucking cartoon needs a HIATUS for some reason.If you took AT,SU,GF,STAR VS and RS and calculated the time they spent on hiatus together it would easily be a 2 year worth of content that didn't got made.I'm not praising the 80 or the 90's but back them this shit didn't happened.

Nowdays people who worked on cartoons became too lazy.They got too much freedom and money from the networks and think they can stop working anytime they want.
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>>77564422
...so the 90's that the Fight Club Talks about where a generation of young men have no over reaching goals or purpose in life.
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>>77567390
Homestuck wouldn't work in any medium other than what it currently is, a mix of text (like stage plays without actions), flat images, and light animation. Plus all the weird meta shit dealing with messing with the website and external links to SBAHJ, youtube, etc. Hell, even if you just looked at the sheer size of the pesterlogs, there'd be no way to translate that to another form, because that long of them just talking would be too boring
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>>77567428
>>77567458
Or, you know, the writing and continuity is inconsistent at best.
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>>77567475
Again, this is why 90s animation will always be the best. Shit like this never happened; it the 90s, work ethic meant something. Nowadays, the government babies you and you don't have to lift a finger.
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>>77564480
Stop making crisis out of thin air you SJW, Star being female is not the issue, it's the animation atudio change and lack of suts given by the editors for letting multiple animation errors get in the season finale.
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>>77567487

The show is perfectly consistent. Your ability to understand it is where the problem lies.
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>>77567531
Then explain the shark painting.
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>>77567477
Or the Fight Club that talks about having no sensible identity in a society where one's identity is so invested in soulless media.
Media that's a lot more based around managing emotional well being and personal growth.

I feel Fight club would've been written very different if it's had waited until 9/11 and than the social media era, there's such a divide between it's predictions and our contemporary situation. Metal Gear Solid got it right tho.
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>>77564563 Please don't encourage and validate >>77564480 's stupid comment, she's pulling a Gamer Gate and trying to derail the thread into being about perceived misogyny and femmenism.
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>>77567487
Well yeah, but with some mental gymnastics, that can lead to enjoying it even more by extending the experience of the show from just watching it to theorizing and filling in the gaps and all that.

While it's kind of unjust to compare things of such different levels, you can see a similar situation with cinema that have vague endings, like The Thing. And people spend ages patching plotholes like how many parsecs it takes to do the Kessel Run in Star Wars.

>>77567543
What's wrong with the shark painting? It's pretty much just a gag that provided visual evidence that the gems are thousands of years old.
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>>77567543

It's a painting of the gems in the past. Since they provided no details on the scenario and all it shows is them in period clothing, I don't see what there is to confuse you.
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>>77564590
Money, it became all about what is cheaper to produce to make more money.
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>>77567475
>Nowdays people who worked on cartoons became too lazy.They got too much freedom and money from the networks and think they can stop working anytime they want.
I agree with you for the most part, but you are dead wrong with this last part, at least in the context of Gravity Falls. Disney imposed horrific deadlines and still made hiatuses that Alex has no control over.
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>>77564647
OTGW bored the utter shit out of me until two parts before the end. It was trying to hard to sell itself on looking and sounding nice to notice its shit terrible voice acting, slow vague plot and characterization.
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>>77565403
Look at this pleb. He watches AT to cry about maybe-lesbians, while the rest of us are enjoying some shit occasionally go down.
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>>77567591
I liked it because it was pretty, and there was just enough story to keep me looking at the pretty pictures. I don't need more, at least not when I'm not looking for more.
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>>77567481
On the contrary, I think Homestuck is one of the few franchises that could expand out considerably, since it's so broad. Whatever adaptation it makes wouldn't have to follow the main story, just snippets and different aspects of it's plot/setting/characters in vastly flexible ways. It's so chock full of ideas that the sheer amount of content could let it be transferred over any other medium in partitioned ips. (Hussie seems to think so, considering Paradox Space and Hiveswap) One could see it being adapted in the same way Hitch Hikers guide was from a Radio Play.

There's so much material to work with that it's impossible not to think that a company getting their hands on it wouldn't be completely lucrative. The only thing one couldn't hope for would be any sensible and faithful adaptation of the comic, start to end. It'd end up becoming a cash cow goldmine, like Doctor Who or whatever.
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>>77567613
Oh yeah, the world established in Homestuck could definitely be the setting for other stories in varying media. I thought you were just referring to Homestuck itself.
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>>77567568
>She
You called me a sjw. Rude dood.
And I didn't mention either of the things you just said, you did. Just now.

See
>>77566880
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>>77567613
>Homestuck:The audiobook
>Chapter 8.1.2
>Narrated by Morgan Freeman
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>>77567629
I was, just not in full.
>The kids
>The trolls
>Skaia
>Sburb
>Alternia
>The Felt
>And so on
I can imagine one adaptation just being slice of life about the kids, another trying to tackle a hashed and mangled version of the kids sburb session, something about the trolls, and a shitton of AUs incorporating and playing around with the above until the cow comes home.

You know, the George Lucas model.
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>>77564190
I fucking miss Lupin III. It was the only anime show my dad tolerated.
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>>77567692
We're calling the same thing by different names. When I say adapting "homestuck", I mean a full on, start at page one and go. What you're describing is what I called using the established world for other stories. That's not an adaptation, that's a side story in a different medium. Like an original OVA in anime/manga/LN terms.
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>>77565187
there is a reason shows like that air for a short amount of time. they suck and the only people who watch them are above 18, watching online. this thread is for bait, not that heap of trash
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>tfw you enjoy SU, GF, etc with your siblings
>tfw you don't like Star or WoY but don't bother those anons who like it

But I do agree that a lot of cartoons nowadays are a bit derivative in style and humor. Then again, it's probably just the current trend or style, and we saw the same thing happen years ago (weren't 80s cartoons sporting their own style, too?).

Let's hope more cartoon creators would be inventive in the near future. I really like the look of Moonbeam City but I heard the animation is atrociously stiff.
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>>77567733
There can still be slight adaptations of the story in parts. An OVA of the Felt, a series retelling Hivebent, a LN that tries to restate everything past act 6.

I just think it'll never encompass all of it in one medium. It's kind of like Jojo or One Piece, outside the manga the series is just too long to simply easily.
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>>77566299
>ocarina of time
>good
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>>77567853
Hivebent wouldn't work. The entire thing was a joke based off the fact that this was a session of sburb that took a lot longer, but was condensed down to just character introductions and critical events.
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>>77567557
It's very much a product of an age after the collapse of the soviet union, that American youth stopped having national idenity and patriotism because supposedly our enemies/competitors were defeated and while, if you were at leadt hslf paying attention back then there were still plenty of wats and wars brewing for the future, but for tour average 18 year old coming out of high school...what was your motivation to do anything?
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>>77567917
I'm funnily enough reminded me of the Negima Ova, which condensed the last several dozen chapters of the manga into all of the first 5 minutes...
And than spend the rest of the OVA on some completely unrelated and ridiculous alt ending so Negi could get his harem ending.
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>>77566472
>Examples of things done wrong in animation, though, would be like Korra. Got way too fucking preachy, story lacked and didn't make up for it, and that super-tumblr autist force-fed ending didn't help things along.

What I find most ironic is that Korra's animation was pretty good overall, and seems to be exactly what a lot of faggots here claim is missing in cartoons nowadays (anatomy, contrappasto, etc.), but it's story and shit really fell all over the place.

Meanwhile, something like OTGW exemplifies everything about the more popular, simpler style, does it well, and has great story and themes.

And Steven Universe has animation that can be too strongly tied to the modern style, but their story is pretty damn good overall (at least it does lesbians better than Korra, among other things).

In other words:
It ain't some dark age, it's just "an age"
There's good, bad, and everything in between with varying degrees.
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>>77568100
Such a reasonable post is powerless in 4chan's current state. But yeah I agree with you.
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>>77564040
Yes.

It made the 70s look like the 50s and Avatar was the cause of the whole nightmare.
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>>77567703
It came back.

http://lupin-new-season.jp/
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>>77564296
Are you fucking retarded ? Any of those shows doesn't have noodle arms.
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>>77565806
This.
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>>77564040
>Star vs
literally canadian tier writing
is just a fap bait show

>Steven U.
Started good , went full gay
Not going to act surprised if Ronaldo and Lars are a couple in one next episode.

>Gravity Falls
Great series with a shitty part 1 finale.
I blame disney XD on that tho.

>Over the garden wall
Amazing miniseries and a reminder more shows need to be like that.
Crafte with love and passion without sending other social messages.

>Fun ressistance
Some other cartoons are
>Clarence, Harvey and Bears
for comfyness
>Gumball , Wander
for laughts

I think the age is ok so far but you can see the damage that sjw are going to do in the next years.
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>>77564141
>in danger

Dude, we're already in the middle of an age where everything looks like AT/SU.

This is gonna be the style of cartoons for at least another 5 years
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>>77564040
>>77564040
>Star vs
literally canadian tier writing
is just a fap bait show

>Steven U.
Started good , went full gay
Not going to act surprised if Ronaldo and Lars are a couple in one next episode.

>Gravity Falls
Great series with a shitty part 1 finale.
I blame disney XD on that tho.

>Over the garden wall
Amazing miniseries and a reminder more shows need to be like that.
Crafte with love and passion without sending other social messages.

>Fun ressistance
Some other cartoons are
>Clarence, Harvey and Bears
for comfyness
>Gumball , Wander
for laughts

I think the age is ok so far but you can see the damage that sjw are going to do in the next years.
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>>77566262
I really like Adam Muto. Did the dude ever try to pitch his own show?
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>>77566618
>>77566658
What a fucking mess, just watch what you guys posted all this development going nowhere, what is this show even about? we don't need to know what is going on in every character's minds in fact we may not care because this characters arent that appealing.
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>>77566565
>But the world's they exist in, well people are really attracted to the escapism of the worlds. That's why they want to go to Equestria/Sburb/Hogwarts, they don't actually want to be Harry or Purplesmart.

Jesus, I would really like to know more about Hogwards/the Wizarding World. Instead, the new content for HP is about Harry's son. What the fuck, I don't want to know this kid's angsty shit.
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>>77564040
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>>77568100
>steven universe
>good
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>>77568760
>development going nowhere
To be fair, the show's not done yet.

Not those anons, but the show is mainly about Steven tackling his existence as a gem-human hybrid, him coming to terms with the gem part of him, as well as nurture the humanity in him.

The rest of the things, like gem society hierarchy and gem history and what his mother was like, are the things he encounter along the way.
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>>77564173
you may like to eat shit but that doesn't make it taste better
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>>77564091
That's anime, pal.
Anime still looks pretty good nowadays.
Pic related.
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>>77568669
>>77568669
>shitty part 1 finale
Dammit, spidey10.
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There will never be anything as bad as 2004-2010g
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>>77566838
>the reason behind edgy furries
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>>77564692
Nice meme.

>>77564864
Keep watching it. Seriously, two mediocre episodes doesn't hold an amazing series back.
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>>77569159
I liked the OP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsAVN9q9HfU

But basing an entire show on the OP for Teen Titans was not a good idea.
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>>77564040
Gravity Falls and Over The Garden Wall are two of the best animated series' in history.
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>>77569231
Noice bait sempai, but I'll have you know Nichijou already has been crowned the best animated series ever.
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Fucking SJWs and shit
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>>77564040
If you have to ask, you don't deserve to be told.
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>>77569200
yeah, but would you "fuck" them?
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>>77569305
Explain your quotation marks.
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I just watch Star Vs so the porn makes more sense in context. Sue me. Also its fun.
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>>77569251
There's no such thing as the best animated series.
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>>77569330
Source?
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>>77569354
Most well-animated then.
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Give me something to watch /co/ that you don't deem "tumblr".
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