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Red Sonja, Vampirella and Dejah Thoris Get New Creative Teams

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>Redesigns
>Leth
>Bennet
are Dynamite trying to go under?
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Wait, does Leth have a hand in that god awful redesign?
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Since when has fapbait become a feminist icon?
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>>76390021
Trying too hard to cover her up.
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Ah, more beloved characters nutered, deformed and made to spit in the faces of their fans, by the shit stain hell spawn of tumblr.
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http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/nycc-simone-scott-revamp-red-sonja-vampirella-dejah-thoris-for-dynamite?utm_campaign=nycc-simone-scott-revamp-red-sonja-vampirella-dejah-thoris-for-d&utm_medium=internal_links&utm_source=breaking_banner
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>>76390033
Scott did all the redesigns. Simone is overseeing everything. Leth is writing Vampirella.
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>>76390033

Nicola Scott is the designer for all of them.
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This isn't the first time they've covered up Vampirella, morons.
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>>76390067
>Leth is writing Vampirella.

Well, I wasn't planning on checking that book out before, but this just cemented my distaste.
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Vampirella's new design is meh, Sonja and Dejah look cool.
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>>76390021
Part biker, part roller-derby. I hope to see cosplayers in this one ASAP!
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>>76390021
Looks way better, really.
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This will surely bring in a whole new group of consumers who will avidly purchase these comics.
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>>76390067
Of course that cunt is working on the one with the worst redesign, fucking typical.
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This is like the smartest thing Dynamite's done in awhile.

Not gonna read any but still. Like how did it take so long to make Vampirella Buffy?!
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And here I thought my cheesecake comics would be the one safe haven from the likes of kate leth.
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>>76390083
I like this design and the creative team. Will check it out.
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>>76390137

She's... always been Buffy?
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>>76390131
>book sales go from 5000 to 5050

Upward momentum, baby!
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>>76390059
I don't mind being rid of the chainmail bikini shit, but the cowl is a clearly bad idea. What is she supposed to be, discount Batman?
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>>76390131
You joke, but it probably will. These redesigns have got us to talk about Dynamite more in the span of an hour than we had in the span of a year.
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>>76390111
>mfw the artist actually said this
Thank fuck I don't read any of these book beforehand, feel sorry for the fans
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lol dynamite so broke they gotta beg for tumblbux
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>>76390021
>Leth
Leth as in Kate Leth?
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>>76390137
>Like how did it take so long to make Vampirella Buffy?!
That's pretty much what she's always been. Except also a half-naked alien.
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>>76390166

I thought she was like a demon or something and mostly served in a Cryptkeeper exposition role
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>>76390021
Tried to fix that caveman to look more like an actual woman.
I get it, making women ugly makes women feel better about themselves but this is ridiculous.
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>>76390134
>>76390021
But Leth is good at writing vampires.
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>>76390177
>that pic
yes, god fucking forbid our fictional characters dress extravagantly.
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>>76390033
Its good imo and its still sexy
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>>76390177

One without the cowl.
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>>76390086
None cares about Vampirella. Not even when Morrison, Millar, Ellis, Busiek, Robinson and other people wrote her.
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>>76390177
>chainmail bikini shit,

That's always been a misnomer anyway. There are plenty of instances of Sonja being covered up in "traditional" chainmail/clothing.
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>>76390217
forgot picture
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>>76390212

Huh I must've been thinking of something else. The alien part sounds SUPER DUMB though.

And if nothing else giving her clothes is a plus
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>>76390193
Cosplay minded designs is the most cancerous thing that's been plaguing the entertainment industry as of late, Jesus fuck. It's like the artists WANT to be replaced.
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>>76390227
Much better
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>>76390213

No, she's a space vampire from the planet Drakulon dedicated to slaying evil vampires on Earth created by Dracula.
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Honestly, I'm mad that it's this and Leth isn't cowriting an Elsa Bloodstone book
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>>76390223
>using adventure shit as n example of Leth's "good" writing
Pathetic.
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>>76390202
Like Marvel?
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>>76390217
That's just how Scott does faces, bro
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>>76390271
I can't wait for things to swing back around to the most ridiculously convoluted and extravagant costume designs imaginable.
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>>76390283
Is that Scientology?
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>>76390283

I take it back that's hilarious.

>>76390301

You have no idea how hard I am for when 90s extravagance melds with 00s character design
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>>76390225
Conan doesn't walk around in a leotard anymore, why shouldn't Sonja wear more sensible armor?
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The Red Sonja one would look good if they got rid of the dumb cape and hood. Still Id prefer something like pic related. Still sexy but intimidating.
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>>76390268
>And if nothing else giving her clothes is a plus
Why?
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>>76390268
>The alien part sounds SUPER DUMB though.
She's a vampire from the planet Drakulon.

And no, you're half right. She certainly fills the Cryptkeeper exposition role in a lot of comics, but in the stories where she's actually the protagonist rather than the narrator, she's a buffy-style vampire hunter. Just, y'know, in a universe where vampires are from another planet.
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>>76390186
Brevoort was right when he said to make people angry.
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>>76390083
All I can think of is a WW redesign.

>>76390111
>>76390193
>>76390271
Which industry person said that designing a costume with cosplay in mind only underestimates the skills of cosplayers?
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>>76390344
I don't think the cloak is her default look. Most of the other covers they showed don't have her wearing it.
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>making your spankbooks unspankable and alienating your current audience in favor of a group who probably won't pick up your books
Good luck with that.
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>>76390291
>adventure shit
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>>76390353
She's respectable now!
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>>76390387
Valiant announcing Faith got two threads reaching 500+ posts back to back based entirely on the cover. Most Valiant threads struggle to get 50 posts.

Brevoort may be an asshole, but he's rarely wrong.
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I actually don't mind the Vampirella design (though I'd rather her hair be loose). Its a bit more fetishy.

I think it would look better were her emblem on the front somehow so the back of her suit had a low backline, like a halter top. Backs are sexy too.
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>>76390429
If you can't respect women that are sexually attractive for the sale of sexual attraction then your a worthless piece of human trash, burn in fucking hell.
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>>76390438
Not when he talks about richard rider
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>>76390438
>nuFaith exists for years
>one of the best characters in modern Valiant and not a single person /co/mplains in all those years
>she gets a mini
>SJW PANDERING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~ x1000 posts
People bitching about comics they don't read because "SJWs" has become a /co/ tradition at this point.
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>>76390497
Haha, so salty.
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Anyone want to take bets on how many shills are in this thread right now? Like, seriously, people that Dynamite paid to go into 4chan posts and actually make it seem like these designs are original, and that throwing fans of these books and characters under a bus for Tumblrbux (that will only last a month TOPS) is a good idea?
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>>76390535
Dynamite doesn't have enough money to pay for shills. This is a last ditch effort at relevancy from a dieing publisher.

And guess what? Its clearly working
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This was how Sonja looked in her first appearance in Conan comics: chainmail shirt and leather hot pants courtesy of Barry Windsor-Smith. The chainmail bikini that became her iconic look came later at the pen of Esteban Maroto, and for obvious reasons proved popular enough to become her de facto look.

The Scott redesign isn't all that dissimilar from her original look.
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How long until the Jungle Girl conservative resdesign?

Kek just kidding. Cho would probably make her go topless instead
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>redesigning Vampirella
because that have always worked
remember Vampi or the time she had more blades and spikes than Adam X or black Daredevil costume?
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>>76390614
Lookin kinda cool there, Sunyer.
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>>76390614

Sticklers, before you start I know that's not her literal first appearance; that came in the issue before "Song of Red Sonja." She wore the same outfit though.
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>>76390083
I hate this
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>>76390626
Both of those where awesome.
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>>76390083
I like this one

Seems like it'll be complicated to draw over and over, but it's pretty
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>>76390676
Why? It's probably the best of the 3 designs. Creative team sounds cool as well.
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>>76390021
Is she still Drakulonian not a Vampire?
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>>76390298
Nah Marvel fishes for controversy bux. Dynamite doesn't have that many followers.
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>In this brave new world of make believe fantasy comic books, cleavage is not allowed

Stop. Please stop.
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>>76390021
>spankbooks
>in 2015
Why the fuck publish faprags when we can get porn online?
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>>76390046
In women's minds being "fap bait" while still being strong is feminist
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>>76390083

Isn't it a bit late to go for movie synergy with Dejah Thoris?
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>>76390291
Why is namefagging even allowed?
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>>76390783
>>76390046
Reminder that Zenoscope's readership is almost entirely women.
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>>76390046
Since always? Vampi's original fapbait costume was designed by one of the leading feminist cartoonists of the time Trina robins. This design sucks though. They could have just covered up the boobs kept the belly window and given her pants. The hair is the worst of it though.
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>>76390794
What a horribly underrated movie that was.
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>>76390021
>Dressing Vampirella
She existed for years solely as cheesecake, this isn't going to go over well. Going from a villain to a hero a long time ago was one thing, but to actually dress her? Fucking why?

I don't even read this shit and I'm still upset, whatever. Go put clothes on Johnny 5 or turn him into a human next you faggots. Ruin everything why don't ya
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>>76390815

There were certainly some interesting design choices. Like Woola is usually portrayed as a lizard thing, especially in Frazetta's art, but they went with oversized pug-dog for the movie
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>>76390614
>its ok everyone its actually just like the original design no one liked and was forgotten in favor of what people liked
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>>76390083
DISGUSTING

Stay true to the source material, she isn't supposed to be clothed. NONE OF HER PEOPLE ARE, MEN AND WOMEN
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>>76390734
Deviates from the source material and where would you find silk on mars?
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>>76390021
I actually really like that Vampirella design. It's got a very Resident Evil 2 vibe to it, and that Borat Bikini always seemed kinda weird anyways.
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>>76390811
I cant get a handle on what their comics are even about.
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I'll still buy the classic Vampi books because classic Vampirella had the bet artists around at the time. I won't check this out though because that picture is shit compared to the Warren old guard.
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>>76390299
Well then someone needs to teach him the basic anatomy of the head, such as the eyes being in the middle of the head and the brain existing therefore needing space on the top of the head.
You know the difficult stuff.
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>>76390046
It's been a weird angle Dynamite's been working for quite a while. There's Gail Simone on Red Sonja, pioneer of the chainmail bikini, the whole Swords of Sorrow with cheesecake heroines from various pulp fantasy stuff.

It's gonna be weird seeing Dejah Thoris, Princess of Mars with clothes though.
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>>76390373
No earth Vampires still exist in her universe and are slightly different from Drakulonians. Drakulonians can't change people it was a big plot point in Death's Dark Wings which was the first Jose Gonzales Vampi story.
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>>76390407
She actually looks a bit more Wonder Woman-ish than actual Wonder Woman with her current get-up.
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>>76390862
Could be silk-like material and it wouldn't be the first thing in the history of ever that deviates from the source material. If you want the source material go read the books.
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>>76390083
>Character is from a canonically nudist race.
>Always overdressed in media because of cultural prudery for the last century.
>Let's put her in even more clothing.
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>>76390021
Don't like the artist, hate the ponytail beyond belief costume's alright but the bat symbol on the back is awful and it should have been a belt buckle instead. Crossbow is also kinda stupid, but whatever.
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>>76391017
Yes remember thus words yourself the next time they cast a black actor to play a white character
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>>76390848
>no one liked

That's a bit presumptuous.
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>>76391041
That doesn't always bother me.
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>>76390871
Generally, they're gritty fairy tale reboots with the female main characters turned into female badass vigilantes (and when the fairy tale doesn't have a female protagonist to use, they genderswap the male protagonist, such as in Robyn Hood) that wear skimpy outfits.
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>>76390862
Pretty sure silk was readily available in the original stories.
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>>76390829
>I don't even read this shit and I'm still upset
This describes almost every comic "reader" on /co/. No wonder the other boards call us /co/mblr.
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>>76390829
>I don't even read this shit and I'm still upset
Post-2011 /co/ in a nutshell.
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>>76390829
>I don't even read this shit and I'm still upset
I hope you realize just how fucking stupid this sounds.
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>>76390829
>I don't even read this shit and I'm still upset

/co/ in a nutshell
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>>76390829
She turned into a hero in Vampirella Magazine #8, it wasn't that big a deal.
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>>76390059
not progressive enough
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>>76390829
>I don't even read this shit and I'm still upset
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>>76391200
Horned helmets never fail to trigger me. So dumb.
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>>76390829
>I don't even read this shit and I'm still upset
You are the reason this industry is so shit. You and others like you.
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>>76390290
I'm mad it's this and Kate Leth isn't being eaten alive by rabid dogs.
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>>76390829
>I don't even read this shit and I'm still upset, whatever.

Why should companies and writers listen to you then?
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>>76391099

Yeah; fur was the hard thing to get, iirc. But if Deety isn't nekkid ot near-nekkid, it's completely outtaline.

And that Vampi --- what the raw blue fuck?
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>>76390411
It got you faggots talking, it's definitely working.
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Implying ANOTHER new creative team, new bold direction or new redesigns will help those dying IPs. Its only watering down the interest in those titles, they should put them to rest for a few years or let a REAL bold creative team have some fun with those titles (e.g. Vampirella by Warren Ellis).
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>/co/ getting mad at comics they don't read

What else is new
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>>76390021
Dynamite have been doing the season volumes way before Marvel made it their standard
these SJW friendly comics will go for at least 2 or 3 months until they ''end'' and they returned to the old pulpy trash
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>>76390059
I kinda prefer the old mail shirt tbh
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>>76391433
I read classic Vampirella. Though I'm not really mad at this and more unimpressed.
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>>76390950

They did some bullshit retcon in the 90s where Draculon was a section of Hell controlled by Lilith (the Semitic Mother Of Monsters and Adam's first wife) where she raised her daughter Vampirella to fight the horrors that Lilith had unleashed upon the world -- Vampi's memories of being an alien and junk were false.

Did they dump that stuff? Cos that's when I stopped reading anything Vampi (and personally, only really like her Warren stuff and the B&W mini that reintroduced her).

Hated what they did with The Rook, then, too.
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I keep forgetting these characters even exist. Do they have any good enough comics to maybe start to care? Wasn't Simone's Red Sonja run pretty decent?
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>de-cheesecaking cheesecake characters

reminds me of that shit, they tried to pull years ago with the Chaos Comics characters
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>>76391535
Simone's Red Sonja is awesome. Check it out.
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>>76391524
I don't know that was Warren stuff and it's all I ever read too.
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>>76391535
>Wasn't Simone's Red Sonja run pretty decent?
Yeah, it's a decent read.
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>>76391557
Hopefully it will work about as well.
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>>76391535
Vampirella Magazine from Warren was incredible in terms of art direction. The stories are so-so like most silver age stories, but it is a classic.
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>>76391535
>Wasn't Simone's Red Sonja run pretty decent?
Yeah, it was pretty good. One of the better stuff she's written in the past few years.
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A huge improvement over the original, panders less to the male gaze, you look at her and you know what she's about, and she's not about satisfying your lust.
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>>76391524
>>Did they dump that stuff?
No, but she stopped giving a shit.
The best recent run has been Trautmann's, which also uses a quite sweet redesign(though she often ends up with her classic costume for this or that reason)
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>>76391433
Oh put a sock in it. Most of the posters ITT are sucking off these new progressive designs.
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>>76391670
I've always hated that costume anyway. You can have a sexy costume without it being stupid and ugly.
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>>76391670
When I look at the new one I just think she's someone who drives a firebird.
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>>76391670
>you look at her and you know what she's about

We do?
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>>76391712
And why not? They're pretty good.
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>>76390021
Am I the only one that thought this was a pic of Clair Redfield for a second?
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>>76391670
What if my lust revolves around knee high lace boots with thick heels, short-sleeved and short-legged jumpsuits, skintight one-piece athletic wear, and chokers?

Man, this design is early 00s as fuck when you think about it.
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>>76390332
Because even when momoa did him, all he wore were some short pants.
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>>76391670
>panders less to the male gaze
TUMBLR

YES
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>>76391716
That's true, Vampi's costume was always ridiculous. This new one also looks stupid. Honestly some ye-ye fashion would be best for her.
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>>76390282
Not really.

Long time Red Sonja fan, and barbarian lover in general.

It's just so soulless and generic, she looks like a mook, and worst of all, she looks weak.

Sonja uses a Sword or a fucking huge axe, not a tiny ass spear.

She should be Female Slaine if anything.
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>>76391744
They aren't at least Vampi's isn't. It's less ridiculous than the original but still stupid.
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>tfw semi nude female warrior will never be taken seriously
I get that this stuff is mainly for fap bait, but I always considered it cool as long as it's well written or just downright badass. Christ look at the Doc Savage covers were his shirts are always tattered, I just want that unbridled awesomeness to extend to women.
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>>76391866
It's because women don't love the fantasy of killing shit naked without the need for protection.
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Hey guys what's going on in this thread?
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>>76391902
Those women are awful, then.
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>>76391904
What's going on? In this thread?
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>>76391968
Of course they are.

They are the first to complain that women are not represented as "Strong independant" and Warriors.

Then they cry when Archtypes like the Scantly Clad Barbarian are around.

It's fucking horrible.
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>>76391902
How is such a thing even possible? But I guess I need to stop projecting what I consider cool onto women.
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>>76392009
This thread. That we are on *right now*.
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>>76390227
That looks completely fine. As long as the book remains as good as it was with Gail Simone writing it.

Gail had her wearing different outfits throughout it anyway.
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>>76391376
but if i wanted to read about sensibly dressed vampire hunters,i'd go read Ann Rice
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>>76392113
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>>76392168
It's Tragic and Horrible that Cyclops has died trying to fight Dr Doom... but don't worry! We have a spare.
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>>76392168
I'm sorry I didn't catch that, you're going to have to post that panel at least three more times.
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>>76391670
I wonder how many people on both sides of the issue know that Vampirella's classic costume was designed by a feminist cartoonist.
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>>76392283
>Cyclops
Scott Summers.
And yes, I thought same couple of days ago. He has backup body in case of death. What a guy.
>>76392317
Literally Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V art.
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>>76392346
I don't see what that changes. An ugly costume is an ugly costume.
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>>76392413
So literally Vayne for League of Legends is better?

I'd prefer something like Morrigan from Darkstalkers.
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>>76392346
Doesn't change anything, she's clearly ignorant of the male gaze.
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>>76390021

>Vampi redesign

I'm not mad, just disappointed.
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>>76390077

It's not new but it's always sad.
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>>76390021
>Vampirella
>Wearing clothes

Disgusting.
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>>76390021

Nigga what in the fuck are you DOING.

I wouldn't be triggered if this wasn't Vampirella because that is actually rather nice, and I like the symbol now on her back.

At the same time though, and I hate to be the person holding the nostalgia goggles but it's Vampirella. How long has she had that look? Sonja makes sense given her backstory and reincarnation or whatever but c'mon.
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>>76393014
>Liking the symbol on her back
That's the worst part, it's like firebird hood and it was really gaudy.
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>>76390083
I know it goes against the lore, but it's a nice look.

>>76390021
>>76390059
And while I don't mind them covering up these characters (I've always thought their skimpy looks were kinda stupid, honestly; not from a "realism" perspective, I just didn't like them aesthetically), these redesigns are pretty meh. Especailly Red Sonja's. Vampirella isn't terrible, just unremarkable.

>>76390227
Without the cowl, though, she looks MUCH better, and I actually rather like it.
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>>76390815
Yeah the scene where that alien hottie gets whipped is so damn hot
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>>76390083
>>76390059
>>76390021
The only reason anybody ever read their comics was to fap to them and now they're covering it all up. Whats the point?
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>>76393223
Well none of those people bought the comics, chances are that another audience will
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>>76393223
Those awful misogynist shitlords don't matter.
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>>76390059
>>76390227
I think these look pretty cool
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>>76393223
Man you're a turbo pleb if you think Vampirella wasn't worth more than fapping. Jeff Jones, Neal Adams, Jose Gonzales, Wally Wood, Alex Toth. The Warren Publication books were some of the best comics out during their time.
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>>76393336
They did, actually. Dynamite's problem is their idiotic approach to variants, the recent John Carter reboot had a 1:1000.
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>>76390021
Dynamite is the absolute worst publisher today.

they did this stunt to "whitewash" with Vampirella and CHAOS! comics last year and it failed miserably, to do it again is just whatever man...you can tell when someone is ashamed of their product and identity, they should just close down shop and become the Oni and Image clone they dream of being.
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>>76390083

Wait, hasn't Dejah and her people always been nude?

If anything, most representations have her more covered than she should be.
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>>76390213

I see you've never read a Vampirella comic, at least.
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>>76390227
This is the Man of Steel of Red Sonja designs.
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>>76393751
It's more like the Return of Superman for Red Sonja.
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>>76390227
This is solid. Not liking Vampirella. I feel like she should rock the skimpy outfit because she's an alien vampire so she doesn't care about being modest and all that. Vampires should either be scary or sexy.
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>>76390213
She's an alien Vampire most of the time, the original 70's book was a anthology where she was in the crypt keeper roll along with going on her vampire adventures which was the A-Story.

in the 90's she started hunting other vampires and monsters as she moved to monthly action comic books.

now she's more of a occult investigator.
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>>76393802
I meant in that it was lazy and uninspired.
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>>76394092
We're both right.
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>>76393868
She actually did keep modest most of the time, she would just wear a long overcoat over her outfit for the most part unless she was stalking the night.
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I guess I should have seen this coming when they started a seven month event where the enemy is a patriarchy strawman.
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>>76393868
>Vampires should either be scary or sexy
>OR
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>>76394426
That's true in a couple of arcs I read I've seen that but she usually tosses it to show her skimpy costume.
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>>76392450
>So literally Vayne for League of Legends is better?

Yes, it is. Are you being serious? No one is this stupid.
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>>76394632
Yeah she tosses it when she doesn't need to blend in, but when she's trying to get information and interacting with non-monsters she's modest. She just doesn't interact with people that often.
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Man I'm too tired.
I thought this was another fucking Spider-Woman redesign and I wasn't even surprised.

Even stupider though, why are they completely throwing away everything in her original design?
Like whatever, cover her up a bit maybe you'll gain some new readers or something but this literally looks nothing like Vampirella.

Sonja looks fine w/o the cloak, could stand to be more muscular though.

Who gives a shit, space babes, still sexy. Those shorts look weird as shit though.
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>>76390083
I like this one? It's just a little too "safe". Designs are supposed to be fun. Thats the point, fun. Still, the fact they feel the need to redesign cheesecake characters into not-cheesecake is fucking funny.
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>>76391138
saved for prosperity
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>>76390227
This I like, she doesn't look like she cut out of some teens porno mag.
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>>76391761
My first thought and disappointment
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>>76391107
>>76391123
Trying way too hard, dude. I can defend something without partaking of it based on various grounds. I defend the rights of blacks without being black. I can say they shouldn't put hormones in meat even though I don't eat it regardless of that.

You're a fucking idiot to not understand the reason Vampirella has existed this long is because of cheesecake, it's integral to her character.

>>76391123
>>76391128
>>76391138
Trying too hard to use too little of your brain.
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>>76391107
>>76391123
>>76391128
>>76391138
>>76391147
>>76391214
>>76391244
>>76391307
>Other people that don't read Vampirella thinking they know better

LOL hilarious.
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>>76397922
It's SJW retards that want to jump on it now that it's becoming "good" and destroying what it used to be that was "wrong" or the stupid thoughts that "if I jump it now, then it means I'm in the right because that's what the book is no, not the decades of history before it that allowed it to exist at all!"

You'd have to be stupid to think the people that kept Vampirella alive to this day want this for her.
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>>76391107
>>76391123
>>76391128
>>76391138
>>76391147
>>76391214
>>76391244
>>76391307
Someone that actually reads Vampirella here, would all of you please kill yourselves since he's right, thanks.
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>>76390021
That is not vampirella, death to anyone that thinks this is okay
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>>76396756
>she doesn't look like she cut out of some teens porno mag

She looked that way before?
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>>76397840
I like you
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>>76397840
>caring this much about a cheescake character.
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>>76397922
>>76398150
A lot of that is samefag trolling I'm sure

Anyway anyone that isn't a little kid knows that OP isn't Vampirella
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>>76390223
>leth
>good

pick one.
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>>76398507
>Simple truths are "caring this much"
Heh, you must think this entire board is a modern crusades or something.
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>Marguerite Bennett Red Sonja

Absolute garbage. Wake me when Kathryn Immonen, Genevieve Valentine or Jen Van Meter get her.
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>>76397922
>>76398150
Hey there >>76391147 here why the fuck are you tagging me in here? I'm just saying Vampi has been fighting evil since issue eight of Vampirella Magazine where Vampi gets the fake blood serum and meets the cult of chaos and then vows to destroy them and all the copies of the crimson chronicles. I fucking read Vampi, and I think the new costume is guady and Vampi would wear something more trendy.

I'm just saying Vampi was a hero from the very start. The story in issue 8 was the second story actually involving the character, so it wasn't that shocking when she turned here.
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>>76397840
It's not really integral to her character but I do think she should stay with the bikini outfit. It's pretty iconic and kind of makes her stick out compared to chicks like Buffy and Selene from UNderworld
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>>76398656
Does Valentine even want to write comics after Catwoman?

I know she has maybe 3-5 issues of that Eternal weekly, but has she teased any other books?
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>>76398705
You're a casualty of the war, anon. Many innocents like you will fall in the days to come.

Are you happy with the new Vampirella?
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>/co/ still getting BTFO year after year
>can't do a single thing about SJWs
still hilarious
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These are okay:

>>76390083
>>76390059

>>76390021
This feels kind of generic. Which designs did Nicola Scott do for Earth 2 again? I usually like her art but I'm divided on her designs.
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>>76390814
>Vampi's original fapbait costume was designed by one of the leading feminist cartoonists of the time Trina robins.


Well huh.
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https://twitter.com/kateleth
>Some guys are so worried IтАЩm gonna make Vampirella bland and PC and covered in a parka. Dudes, I got news for ya
>I also happen to find women super sexy and IтАЩm into vampires so like, have faith

It says nothing about the actual story quality, but at least we might get boobage.
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>>76398757
>compared to chicks like Buffy

This is my main complaint about the the redesign. She doesn't look like Vampirella. She looks like some 30-something who pretends she's still in college.
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It will get to a point where someone will make a cheesecake comic with tits everywhere and everyone will be "OH FINALLY, TITS! THIS IS REVOLUTIONARY!"

Humanity is like that. Eternal cycle, Ouroboros etc.
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>>76398792
No I think this new costume looks stupid, but honestly there haven't been artists on par with the Vampirella old gaurd in ages, so being disappointed with Vampirella is kinda the norm for me.
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>>76399260
Well, Morrison did say he was gonna up the sex and boobage in Heavy Metal.
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>>76399063
Yeah it was described by her to Frazetta over the phone. She claims he made it slightly skimpier than what she had in mind which probably covered the boobs but not the belly.
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>>76399338
It's happening, see?
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>>76399467
Scots seem to be immune to it, judging by Morrison, Ennis, and Millar.
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>>76390021
>>76390059
>>76390083
I actually buy all these Dynamite books. Bleh.
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>>76399089
We're also going to get weak attempts at Kate Leth's idea of humor, and I'd bet my bottom dollar more than a few patriarchy villains. A leopard never changes its spots.

>>76399779
Now you have more money to spend on other things.
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> Red sonja
not bad

> Vampirella

I dont know the character looks like shit though

>Dejah Thoris

WAY TO MISS THE ENTIRE DAMN POINT!

God i fear for Witch Blade.
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>>76400467
>God i fear for Witch Blade.

She's been covered up a long time now.
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>>76390083
>Barsoomian
>clothes
>no leather harness
>no sleeping furs and silks
>not heavily decorated in colorful jewels
It's shit.
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>Dynamite
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>>76390021
I saw the stuff posted here. Not only is it bad, it breaks with the iconic nature of the characters. Like, really? Dynamite was slowly killing Vampirella and Sonja with the Collins/Simone stuff, and Warlord of Mars went south a long long time ago.

Its over.

>>76390054
seriously.

>>76390230
Which is a shame cause she had legitimately great runs. Also, the mike carey stuff was good as well.

Both Vampi and Sonja got written into corners. Dynamite editors weren't paying attention so the characters were left with nowhere to go. The Vampire Red Sonja arc was a horrid arc. How you mess up red sonja as a vampire will be something scientists will study for years.
>>
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>>76402084
Could you give him a leather banana hammock instead? Or a harness with conveniently placed straps.
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>>76402147
Here this is He-Man
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>>76402189
>tfw you bought that movie just for Frank Langella's Skeletor performance

Worth. Every. Penny.
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>>76390227
The only thing I dislike about this is the weird looking ponytail on top of her head. Every woman I've ever met with that hairstyle was white trash and doing drugs.
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>A subhuman bloodsucker is writing a book about a vampire

It's like poetry.
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>>76402372
Lel
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>>76390021

>They cover Vampy up
>End up just making her hotter
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>>76391904

I actually don't hate that costume for Gamora...I just wish she wasn't involved in Bendis' shit
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I don't mind the redesigns for the most part, but I agree that the hair is off on Vampi and Sonja, plus it kinda looks like Vampi's wearing one of those full body-shaping spanx things beneath her red outfit.

>>76402298
I still love that he considers that role one of his favorites simply because his kids thought he was a kick-ass Skeletor.
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>>76390059
After a while you must try something new, but that looks lame.
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If nothing else, this thread convinced me to check out old Vampirella stuff.
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>>76402905
It's not very good, even for what it is, but I love all those old Warren magazines. Also, it's been stated in this thread but throughout the 90's the Vampirella books had some obscene talent working on them.
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Dejah Thoris is the only one that kinda looks decent because it remains faithful to the original design, but misses the point of the whole John Carter universe and is pretty generic.

Vampirella and Red Sonja both just look entirely bland and forgettable character re-designs.
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>>76403600
>because it remains faithful to the original design
No?
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>>76390021
>>76390059
>>76390083
I want to point out that Gail Simone is one of the people heading these designs, because being feminist means more than actually knowing anything about proper design
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>>76403600
>Dejah Thoris is the only one that kinda looks decent because it remains faithful to the original design...
You mean the one where she's naked and adorned in jewels? The people of Barsoom don't cover the natural beauty of their bodies with anything but jewels, leather straps for weapons, and furs if it gets cold. Did you even read A Princess of Mars?
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>>76403718
He probably just meant the general aesthetic. Take away the breastplate and shorts, and the rest is pretty in-line with what she usually wears.
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>>76403600
Read the novels, all species male an female on Mars wear nothing but jewels. and even the jewels are only worn as part of status
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>>76403965
The yellow men wear heavy furs when they leave their cities, but that's needed to be outside at the north pole.
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>>76390021
Female Van Helsing

>>76390059
Generic warrior woman

>>76390227
Okay, this is actually okay, but I'd change the hair to her original look and give her arms some more muscle like

>>76390083
I'm never gonna get a John Carter comic where everyone's outfits are true to the book, am I?
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>>76403996
true but the yellow men only wear the furs when outside of the city to protect against the intense levels of cold. When in the warmth of the city dome they wear nothing
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>>76404042
>I'm never gonna get a John Carter comic where everyone's outfits are true to the book, am I?
Well the original Warlord of Mars comics were the closest, but even then they had some things added for censoring purposes
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>>76404047
Yeah, I'm just being overly accurate. The red men of Manator wear feathers, too.
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>>76404099
I would count the feathers as jewels among the people of Mars, since they are adorned and made for the purpose of show
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>>76404094
Are any of the old comics worth checking out? Been meaning to for a long time, and coincidentally I just started reading the original stories last week.
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>>76404170
the Warlord of mars comics are ok, they are essentially a retelling of the original novels with some slight changes. However outside of that I never checked out much else
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I'm not really opposed to the redesigning of these characters, I just think Vampirella's looks very bland and unremarkable.
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>>76390021
>we want the movie audience

I prefer the sling bikini but I also prefer Vampirella as an alien so whatever.

>>76390059
>>76390227
Not bad.

>>76390083
Straight outta the Disney movie, which is alright, I guess.

>>76390829
>I don't even read this shit and I'm still upset
Literally autism: the post.
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>>76390021
Say what you will about her original design, but at least it was unique.
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Outfits come and outfits go, the sling bikini always makes a comeback. If this does anything for their sales, it will be a temporary bump at best, they're likely banking on a bad reaction so they can "listen to fan demand" and come back with new #1s with six regular covers each.
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>>76404697
And I'd buy all damn six, like I have for the past 10 or so years. Huge boner for comic babes and variant covers
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>>76404769
I've always been curious, how do you guys choose which copy to read?
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>>76390021
>SJWs win again
you know why do we even bother anymore?
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>>76405329
>getting three characters most people never cared about
>winning
This is probably just the worst publisher in comics aside from Marvel kowtowing to Gail Simone. Just ignore the titles like you always did and they'll be back to normal before you know it.
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>>76390614
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>>76403052
The warren books also had some obscene talent working for them in the art department man. Don't knock the Warren magazine just because the writing was so-so.
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>>76406015
True, I just always compare them to the Creepy and Eerie stuff, which are among the best horror comics ever made. Vampirella is nothing special next to those and has to be approached as more than a little schlocky to be really enjoyed.
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>>76405447
>implying I wasn't already reading Red Sonja and Vampi
I tried Marz' John Carter but it was too shit even for me
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>>76390332
>Conan doesn't walk around in a leotard anymore
And you think this is somehow justifiable either?
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>>76390021
pretty sure the sales numbers will tell them they fucked up
(or the variant covers - i.e. them being in their original designs will sell more and again tell them the redesigns are fucked)

stupid pc bullshit and femnazis/women empowerment
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>>76390021
The sad thing is this probably gives Dynamite the most publicity it has gotten in years.
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>>76404565
>unique
Looks like starfire's outfit
>>
Welp back to hiding this thread.
It was almost dead but you had to bump it.
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WTF @ Them literally stealing CLAIRE REDFIELD'S ...EVERYTHING
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>>76409649
ORIGINAL SWJ CONTENT DO NUT STEAL
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>>76409678
Literally Claire from Resident Evil
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>>76409594
Yes like you said it looks like a character that was created decades after her
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>dynamite wants the tumblr audience

Is nothing sacred? Will they censor Heavy Metal next?
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>>76390021
>vampirella
>redesign

Well my year is fucked.
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>>76409710
Morrison said it's getting kinkier.
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>>76409736
There's hope.
This is still a terrible blow and Dynamite fucked its shit up.
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>>76394945
>Even stupider though, why are they completely throwing away everything in her original design?
Chain mail bikini isn't Red Sonja's original design you pleb.
>>
How is Dynamite going to sell their covers if there's no tities on them?
>>
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>>76409836
>this will never be on a comic shelf again
>now we'll have Claire Redfield

And people think Tumblr doesn't have enough of a voice to negatively affect the world.
>>
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>>76390021
This is as sad and appalling as the Lobo redesign.
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>>76409861
>>76409836
My 55 year old uncle's favorite comic book growing up was Vampirella.

I can't make myself break the news to him. I remember how pissed he was when they fucked up the Vampirella movie, and her outfit looked downright slutty compared to what Dynamite just pulled.
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Silver lining, we have literally hundreds of vampirella comics. It's been a good run guys.
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>>76409891
>Storytiming and ensuring this thread won't die
Why?
Why do you want this thread to live?
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>>76409911
It's a vampirella comic. The people here need to remember how it should be.
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>>76390083

Burroughs must be rolling in his grave.
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>>76390021
>Kate Leth
I don't even have a proper reaction pic.
Then again, comic books are mostly shit anyway, so I shouldn't be alarmed.
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>>76409805
Vampirella moron.
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>>76391485
I actually like Left the best
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>>76409929
Yeah this new direction is kinda stupid. If they wanted to take it in a new direction and cover her up then she should just be wearing normal dresses and things. I mean Vampi is much more like Valentina than she is Buffy. Though Kate Leth is kinda tacky so it figures that that goth girl from NCIS as Van Helsing is the design she'd back.
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I don't understand why this is important. It's just some fucking costumes
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>>76390021
I like how putting more clothes on females equates to progressive. Like is there a mathematical scale for it? However many square inches of bare flesh there are convert into whatever units of measurement the patriarchy is valued at?

All well, at least all you fat ugly tumblr cunts don't have to feel threatened by these cartoon women anymore. Congratulations I guess.
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>>76409594
You mean the character that was created after her you drooling retard?
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>>76410845
Why is Leth ruining my "bad girl" comics?
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>>76402084
Much better. He is no longer pandering to the female gaze.
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>>76411053
If you charted it out it would actually look weird graph wise. Nudity is slutty and sexist, but not in the case of slut walks, and then you get progressively more...progressive as clothes are put on, until you reach Muslim/Nun territory and it plummets again because you're denying their sexuality.

In general the rule of thumb to remember is "When a woman does it and no men are enjoying it. It's okay. Otherwise it's wrong."
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>>76411053
>I like how putting more clothes on females equates to progressive. Like is there a mathematical scale for it?

I honestly think there is. I remember a while back in a thread where someone was asking for comics with good female protagonists; I suggested The Maxx which has Julie Winters/Leopard Queen, literally the first response I got was (greentext and all):
>Strong female character
>10% clothed

The amount of clothes a female character has is the CORE component to these neo-conservatives
>>
There are people who prefer this
>>76390227
over
>>76390344
this

What a sad day
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>>76390227
This makes me imagine a DnD nerd went out, found a crack whore, paid her a hundred bucks to dress up like his female barbarian character and come to a session to read out her lines. I mean Christ look at her expression and that fucking hair. That's exactly how she would look after she slurred out one of his shit lines of dialogue.
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>>76390046
>We're not trying to take your comics away. That's why we're now taking cheesecake comics we never cared about before and completely changing them and if you don't like it you can get the fuck out you stupid misogynerd.
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>>76411403
So she looks just like Red Sonja is what you're saying?
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>>76397840
>I can defend something without partaking of it based on various grounds. I defend the rights of blacks without being black
So you're just an SJW that's suddenly getting negatively effected by the SJW's rampant war on American values.
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>>76411650
You realize the publishers sought these artists/writers out, right?
As much of a heel as Leth is, she's not wringing her hands with Goldar and saying "WHAT BELOVED SMUT COMIC CAN I DESTROY NEXT?"
Dynamite has their finger on the pulse and they know attention, any attention, whether it's people like you throwing a shit fit, or people on blogs praising them, is good attention.
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>>76411996
Yeah, sales on these books are nothing special. Dynamite is just trying different things hoping something will ignite.

My LCS already said he's not ordering the books any higher than before as only 2 or 3 people buy them, and they all are pre-orders.
>>
>Publisher desperately shaking things up in an attempt to get more sales
>Because this shake up has a "SJW" flavor instead of them all getting new hats or going to space, /co/ gives them a shit ton of rage attention
>More attention means more publicity
>Redesigns stay longer than the usual few months they'd normally stay because it's working

All according to plan
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>>76411095
Isn't it strange how, in this supposedly progressive era, when people are insisting that judgments of worth not be rendered based on appearance, will judge these characters based solely on their appearance?

Because that's what all of this hullabaloo seems to amount to.
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>>76390059
Still showing too much skin
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>>76390614
No wonder they changed it, it just looks wrong. Like why did an 80s party girl get teleported into Conan times?
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>>76412236
The judgement of worth is being made on the creator/consumer. The character is assumed to have no motivations or free will, since it's just a drawing.
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>>76412616
>The character is assumed to have no motivations or free will, since it's just a drawing.

Oh boy, should somebody tell him?
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>>76412066
When did Dynamite become Marvel?
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>>76411724
You mean does she look like this?
>>76390344

No, no she doesn't
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>>76390021
Leno jaw and an outfit that looks like she should be a pokemon gym leader

>>76390227
Bland costume, retarded hair, and a face that suggests she is constantly smelling something unpleasant

>>76390083
Might make for a good Mortal Kombat character

Call me back when you have redesigns worth a fat hairy shit
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>>76390344
That outfit isn't intimidating, it looks like something out of someone's ERP night. The woman herself is pretty built, but that's because of the artist, not the outfit. Make me curious as to how people would react to a Cho version of >>76390227
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>>76412030
That's the thing with Dynamite's stuff. It's basically a niche of a niche market, and there's a small and dedicated pulp whatever market that'll by whatever comes down the pipe.

If they can draw in a few extra buyers by making everything steampunk, or giving heroines pants, more power to them.
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>>76411053
>I like how putting more clothes on females equates to progressive. Like is there a mathematical scale for it? However many square inches of bare flesh there are convert into whatever units of measurement the patriarchy is valued at?

"Hmm... not quite liberal and progressive enough, ladies. Maybe a few more inches to cover up those knees?"
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>we love these characters, but we don't love how problematic they are
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>>76390083
>>76390059
>>76390021
MEH, to all of them

Yet again much like the shitty new WW look they don't really put any real thought into the design past "cover them up" and what you get is this. Generic shit, that really doesn't even look anything like the characters they are supposed to be but doesn't even capture the spirit of the characters they are supposedly redesigns of. These could easily be some generic characters from any fantasy comic.
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>>76414865
I think the opposites gonna happen, they now look like every other superhero mag
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>>76412066
>>More attention means more publicity
>>Redesigns stay longer than the usual few months they'd normally stay because it's working

Eh I kind of doubt that given Dynamite doesn't have the same kind of push behind it that Marvel does.
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