So this is happening
I don't get why people think this is out of character for Lois. She's a reporter. She reports. And also, she's been butthurt at Clark because she thinks he hates Superman. So if she found out her closest friend and also that hot guy who shoots eye lasers were the same person, that mugga would get exposed.
>Secret identity gone
I really wish this was permanent instead of just a one year thing. Secret identities are like kryptonite. They belong to another era, they are the trashiest of trash story gimmicks.
She's such a cunt, remember that Lois was fucking that guy, and Clark was all sad. And that guy was all "Maybe he's pining for you?" Then she was all "Nah, let's get back to fucking", as much as I hate trinity shipping, Lois don't fucking deserve Clark, and he gets to fuck the most beautiful woman on earth
Its called tenacity and its how you get shit done
This is incredibly out of character for Lois. she's above all else an ethical journalist and outing Clark Kent is tabloid tier.
>They belong to another era
>Wanting to avoid getting harassed by paparazzi and trolls on social media and coporations trying to secure sponsorship deals and all that is an outdated concept
>Wanting to avoid potential legal trouble that comes from you fighting crime is an outdated concept
>Not wanting the mass murderers with superpowers who you regularly fight knowing who your family is, is an outdated concept
>I just hope it's better planned out than Superdoom clusterfuck
How was that poorly planned out in any way? The story itself might not have been to your (or my) liking, but the actual planning showed off how autistic Soule and Pak were when it came to trying to fit everything into canon.
She isn't. She's just super of insensitive, exposing superheroes and getting MUH SCOOP all the time.
When it comes down to it she'll stand up for the people she cares about, even it it makes her look ridiculous/super hot
Excuse me, Clark was a beta fuck and didn't get in fast enough.
Ultimate Sue "a guy in every port" Storm neutered her ex-boyfriend when there kid could have saved the world because "m-muh Ben". Sue Storm is the worst
>Excuse me, Clark was a beta fuck and didn't get in fast enough.
Yeah basically. He'd have been riding the Lane Train three (by in-universe time) years ago if he hadn't been all MUH SUPERJOB.
She's not remotely on the Floyd scale, this is the last angry speech/message she gave Clark
She doesn't lecture about myspaces, she lectures about showing people the way
Well neutering reed made him become badass again because castration made him realize he put the pussy on a pedestal (he actually did) and so he saved UU on his own. So it kinda worked out.
And people hated her for that too, it didnt really help anything and I think that cause some people to mistrust the league when they were just trying to make people feel safe with an s-shield presence. She needed a big story soon but had nothing so just did that.
Byrne SAVED Superman with the reboot AND the JOSS team (Kurgans, Ordway, Stern, Simonson) created the DEFINITIVE modern version of the franchise that Kelly, Casey, Busiek, Johns, Loeb, etc have done their DAMNEST to shit on
They revealed that Jim Gordon is the new Batman, and that Darkseid's daughter is an Amazon, and it is prophesied that shit will go down in the war between Darkseid and the Anti-Monitor.
>Byrne SAVED Superman
The fact that there are still people who believe this is the funniest thing. Do you enjoy being wrong?
Fuck that. He's probably going to try and make a DEEP story about IMMIGRANTS from SPACE. I'd have preferred 20 issues of JRJr's consequence free banter than some stupid American Born Kryptonian shit.
Pak has given me reason to trust him given that he turned Superman into Doomsday and made it not horrible somehow, but I don't know this new guy yet. We will see. Being a talented writer is no guarantee that you'll write everything well.
teenage jean is worse than ultimate sue
> reading people's minds without their permission
> cucking cyclops with his older self
> knowing what happens with cyclops still trying to sleep with the much older version
> outting bobby
> shitting on beast
> being a whore in general
No, history has proven it. Superman from 1986-1999 was a golden era of awesomeness and pretty much the entire franchise turned to shit when JOSS left and Loeb and Kelly came along with the sole intent to rape the franchise back to it's Silver Age ambomination form, while Joe Casey smoked crack and stopped giving a shit
>Superman from 1986-1999 was a golden era of awesomeness
Which is why sales were falling so hard they decided to murder Superman for money.
Give it up, Byrnefag, your shit taste is showing.
No, he saved it.
Made Clark Kent the heart of the character, brought back his parents/eliminated the whole Superdick aspect of him, made Lex Luthor a COMPETENT VILLAIN, created a Metropolis that actually FELT real, got rid of the sex-crazed Lois Lane mental illness aspect of her character, and ditched the bullshit Kryptonian shit that was an albatross around the next of the franchise
Showing your ignorance; Death of Superman ony happened BECAUSE the launching of the tv show "Lois and Clark" basically made the ORIGINALLY PLANNED STORYLINE (Lois and Clark getting married) off limits due to corporate synergy stuff where the comic couldn't do the storyline until tv show did it.
>bringing back his parents
You should have just said from the start you were a filthy STAS shitter trying to front, would have saved us a lot of time.
Don't feel bad about him, they'll reboot continuity in a year anyway. I mean, didn't they actually kill Clark Kent like 10 issues into this current continuity anyway, and then somehow brought him back?
I've never read this story before and was getting information about it from you but because you misuse words I'm an autist for calling you out on it? Our generation is so annoying.
>Ultimate Reed is an asshole above assholes.
Did we read the same fucking comic? He's the ONLY motherfucker that did ANYTHING to stop the villains... then he realized that everyone was so shitty in his universe he decided to reboot the whole fucking thing.
He's a fun character, but let's not pretend he was a good person. He didn't tell anyone about these plans, he just went and started fucking up his former friend's lives with no warning. He nearly killed Sue, Johnny, Peter, and Jessica, and attacked Shield. He never explained himself until after he attacked everyone
I still don't see anyone saying what's so bad about Sue. The only thing she did that was bad was planning to basically rape Reed, and she was doing that for the same reasons you praised Reed, saving the world
>Break up with good Reed by telling him you want to get fucked by a ton of guys
>Starts fucking his best friend
>Reed realizes she was holding him back
>Turns out the only way to save the universe is from her and Reeds kid
>Reeds fine with it, whatever
>She then proceeds to castrate him because "Oh but you're a bad person, fuck the universe"
>>Reeds fine with it, whatever
>>She then proceeds to castrate him because "Oh but you're a bad person, fuck the universe"
This never happened. Reed wasn't fine with it and talked her out of it. Reed convinced her that having a baby with Ben will save them
>>Break up with good Reed by telling him you want to get fucked by a ton of guys
>>Starts fucking his best friend
She broke up with Reed because Reed left her to die to chase after Namor during Ultimatum. She didn't hook up with Ben until after Reed went full evil. She rejected Ben before the reveal that Reed was evil
>"DAMN IT KENT, GET ME PICTURES OF SUPERMAN."
>"THAT BOY SCOUT IS A MENACE TO OUR CITY, NO ONE SHOULD HAVE THAT MUCH POWER."
>"FUCK KENT, YOU'RE JUST LIKE PARKER, NEVER AROUND WHEN THERE'S SUPERHEROES THAT NEED TO HAVE THEIR PICTURES TAKEN."
Killing his family was apart of the original fall from grace was it not? He went egotistical from an abusive father and Sue dumping him after Ultimatum, and just attacked everyone including his family
The retcon was Future Sue Storm telling him to do this to save the UU from the incursions
>big twist is that he actually killed them himself, and was only pretending to stop his father from opening the door to fool the reader
Just don't fucking show us Reed getting up from the coach desperately trying to stop his dad and everything, for god's sake. Have him tinker in the basement or some shit, then everything blows up. We get to think someone blew him up, then he reveals that the thing he was tinkering with was in fact what let him survive the explosion he staged himself.
Another thing, is that Ult. Reed would have just left the universe if he was so fed up.
Leaving the universe would have actually been a good conclusion to his character arc.
Dude's first impulse was to chase down Namor and beat on him, rather than help at the Baxter building or save people. The fact that he then got shanghaied into saving everyone doesn't negate that.
It was just one more retarded out-of-character moment in a whole slew of them, along with Sue's "I want to be slutty for a while..." speech.
So will we ever get an explanation of where Ultimate Kang/Future Sue went after the Ultimates beat Reed? Will we ever see Sue Storm address that she's gonna join Reed in the future? Am I a fool for hoping Ultimate End and Secret Wars concludes that story arc?
I still want an explanation for why the fuck the Blob was in NY, when he must have known that the wave was going to hit. And how the fuck Janet got washed out of the building she was in with Hank, ending up all that way off being eaten by Blob.
Hell, I'd even be okay if it turned out Magneto sent him off on a mission to kill the "race traitor" Janet, without telling him about the wave in a bid to kill him off for having a Homo Sapiens kid.
Honestly, Hickman will probably follow his own plot threads.
I think Fialkov did a better UFF, but Hickman was there first and he has his own plots.
That would be great though.
This. Sometimes I feel like there aren't many of us who want new things. So much of the fanbase is content to put Supes back in underwear and retread the same shit over and over.
Its canon to, before Az. Beauty was literally ingrained in her genes and she didn't even wear make up because of her Aphrodite blessing
>>>71801550 >71801605 >71801969 >71802625
I'm not sure revealing his SI is necessarily bad, but I don't think DC had known what to do with him in his own books, and when he was in the SG and SB books, which are now cancelled. A lot of his villains are the same, they even look the same. I know Helspont came from Wildstorm, but how did he and his power set differ all that much from H'el and looks wise, from Wraith.
The stuff like making him a blogger, being interested in Lois while dating Diana, yadda yadda, they have ping pong throughout the 3 years since the reboot.
>They belong to another era, they are the trashiest of trash story gimmicks
For some of the heroes this is probably very true; it would create problems for Firestorm, for example, and for some of non-powered guys (Oliver, Bruce, Dick, etc.) it paints a target on them AND yeah, stupid crap on the Flash and other TV shows notwithstanding, also on their closest family/friends, etc.
For the case of someone like CK, the point (especially if you read the Morrison run) is it allows him to stay connected to the person his parents brought him up to be and whom he still wants to be and explore.
The scene where he and Diana go out on that date, being able to go out in public and have a meal without fans, reporters, looky-loos being all in their face is what they are after. Trust me, I live in LA, I've gone hiking and see people annoy the shit out of actors and others who are just doing shit like walking their dogs or hiking. It is NOT a by-gone thing.
Her one shot was good and her role in the Psi War and Unchained were good; she's not written as bad ass and as much of a team partner as she was written last decade, but no, she's not really going around fucking this up for everyone. She's not the one that did the big reveal about Kal-El and Wonder Woman being a thing, for example.
She's badly written for the most part in Nu-52; this is also true for Billy Batson, Reverse Flash/Daniel West, E2 Power Girl, and probably a bunch more. There are also arcs where certain characters were also badly written (Cyborg, the entire JL/JLA pre-Trinity War, Aquaman and Manta pre and during Throne of Atlantis).
Plus, DC just has major group editor problems on the Superman family of books, and generally, with being consistent for most of their characters. For example, Lex is a full-on kill/kidnap psycho in some of the arcs, a conniving/hyper-intelligent businessmen in it for the money in others, and then a 360 changed hero post Forever Evil?
That was "magic" and actually played into part of the overall arc Morrison did (who killed CK, that it didn't "kill" Superman, who 'saved'/'changed' reality so that CK never died).
I could give a fuck about his uniform (although if they serious put him in a tee shirt and jeans with the no-neck body shown in the solicits, I'd be pissed). I could care less about that in the movie.
I want the confident, Kansas morality/values icon that others could look up to. You can write this and make it new and interesting.
Superman Unchained could have been a good series, yeah it had some stuff I didn't like, but other than Morrison's run on Action Comics, it's the only Supes story I've really been interested in re-reading from the Nu-52
>Well neutering reed made him become badass again because castration made him realize he put the pussy on a pedestal
This is a problem a lot of guys have, they put the pussy on a pedestal. Ya gotta take the pussy off the pedestal, and
PUT THE PUSSY ON THE CHAIN WAX!
Jesus Christ, Lois. This can only end one way.
All I know is that Clark is having the time of his life dating a goddess right now. He better not fuck it up chasing after Lois Lane after this shit. There is no way that can happen without him look like king of the beta bitches.
Clark is going to break up with Diana and get with Lois after she pulls the biggest bitch move possible?
Obviously yes, how can you not see this coming?
Just like in stories where they have the heroes fight so they can team up, they'll have Clark and Lois fight so they can fuck. It follows the formula perfectly.
This doesn't seem like one of those fights. Most likely Lois x Clark has been torpedoed until the next reboot, hopefully when sane people are running DC.
Give it a rest. This is a reboot. Clark didn't make a deal with the devil to save his shitty old aunt. This is a fresh start to explore a different Lois and Clark dynamic. Just wait and see what happens rather than whine every time.
this is retarded. why would supes stay in a dingy motel???
if he wants to go into hiding, he could be chilling in antarctica, grand canyon, amazon jungle, some tibetan plateau.... and he'd still be less than a minute away from metropolis
this is what happens when a writer has limited imagination
Yep this is it. For some reason DC doesn't like listening to majority of their fanbase and keeps on shipping their fanfic-tier bullshit. Which funny, especially since SM/WW keeps dropping in numbers and been getting the shittiest reviews for awhile now.
>New52 was just finally becoming actually enjoyable
>DC goes on and fucks everything up
Lois isn't a bitch.
Clark is a bitch, getting addicted to flaring and losing all his powers until the only way Lois can stop him getting himself killed because he still thinks he can survive getting hit by train is to yell his real name at him.
At least that's the delusion I'm operating under until proven wrong.
>Most likely Lois x Clark has been torpedoed until the next reboot
Considering all of the Superman writers, including one of DC's most powerful writers, are rabid Superlois fans, that's unlikely
Just avoiding the possibility of Lex Luthor buying out the Daily Planet and be an asshole Bossman for Clark or Lobo stopping in at his apartment unannounced in the middle of the night should be reason enough to keep a secret identity.
Nevermind the fact Livewire could play hell with his electricity bill
Lois and Clark only really got married in 1994, and Flashpoint was 2011.
>Out of character for Lois
>posts picture from four continuities ago.
I think it's less an issue of her current character and more an issue of you guys stuck in the seventies. Those characters are gone.
That was her character up until the fucking reboot. Nu52 will always remain shitty as long as it keeps fucking up characters for no reason. Both companies have mare me stick to indies because of it.
Goku is the eternal challenger, always thinks everyone can be redeemed, but always challenges those greater than him because he wants to see how high he can go. He's not fighting them as much as he's challenging himself, this is something Vegeta mentions in Buu Saga.
Superman won't ever kill him, Goku will only get stronger, that tenacity will ultimately win through.
On the day when he does surpass Superman in power they can have a soda today, and then Goku looks for someone else stronger after that.
This is probably the best argument I've seen for Goku. Goku would probably lose the first, like, fifteen fights, but he keeps getting boosted, his reaction to getting punched into the dirt is "awesome, Imma train some more and do it again!", and Superman wouldn't actually kill him unless Goku went evil for some reason, because he's not an asshole, so he'd end up winning eventually.
Yeah, I can deal with that.
Leaves Reed for the stated reason, straight to his face, of wanting to try other dudes, which causes Reed to lose his mind and become a super villain. She continues to keep a pretty bitchy characterization.
Theirs an idea for a story there
>Livewire comes over to fuck with Clark
>Clarks all depressed and shit because holy shit the chick he thought was cool fucking exposed him
>One thing leads to another and now they're dating
>DC finally realizes Secret identities are bullshit
>DC realizes he can't stand for truth while being a liar
>DC realizes Marvel has had success with their superheroes coming clean.
You call this an apology?
She didn't suck his dick Or nuthin'
It's great journalism, what are you talking about? It's a little unethical, but ethics in journalism is pointless and only poseurs (like your twitter journalist) make any pretenses towards it.
I think it's stupid, understand, but like. Who exactly is harmed by the world knowing Clark Kent is Superman? Does it put his girlfriend in danger? His best friend? His parents? Does it set Lex Luthor on him?
The fact is, the only person whose existence is endangered by the world knowing Clark Kent is Superman is Clark Kent. And not SUPERMAN, see. Just the Clark Kent identity.
Again, it's dumb. Superman needs to have a connection to the common man. But I don't think DC did this all of a sudden. They planned this out.
>Who exactly is harmed by the world knowing Clark Kent is Superman?
Just Clark, basically
Which is why Lois feels bad about it, she acted on her Daily Planet instincts instead of her friend instincts
So how's the public react to his identity, especially once it was found out that he and Lois were co-workers?
Cause like, if I heard that, the first thing I would think is that she's a angry ex-girlfriend that outed him for revenge.
>New York floods
>One of main villains has the power to flood New York
Don't pretend that confronting Namor isn't a logical thing to do.
Besides after everything is over she gives him shit because he chose to save the world instead of her. When he replies that saving the world also saved her she makes a comment about thinking their love should not follow logic and walks off.
all of the people you listed are affected and more. you forget that he deals with psychopaths and normal criminals who are not above taking out somebody to hurt him. what they have done is have every super villain boasted to Zoom's level in that you now fuck with everything he cares about and you know it is going to hurt
Who could possibly? The only villain who hates him that much is Xa-Du and he already knew who Clark was, only it didn't matter because Kryptonian bullshit.
Of all the other villains with a deep personal vendetta against him -
Vril Dox: Dead and gone
Lex Luthor: Part of the Justice League
Parasite: Works for the government
Metallo: Reformed, is now a hero
Martha and Jon were murdered by Satan so really the only people in danger from Clark being exposed are Jimmy, Cat, and ironically Lois herself.
You mean like whenever Clark wrote about himself as Superman? The opinion pieces, news reports, shit, his original Superman is an alien and here to help us interview?
Alright fine so what if Jimmy gets raped?
Then everything is going according to my plan
Like the citizens of metropolis and basically anyone Clark might of been nice too.
>that cute barista near the daily planet
>that korean laundromat
>the park where clark feeds some pigeons
the pigeons have been raped.
Opinion pieces are ok because they're not meant to be unbiased in the first place. Everything else is shady as fuck and imagine what it does for the outlets who have run his stories. I hope this is something that gets touched upon.
The comic OP's panel is from came out yesterday in the Divergence issue. The actual story starts in June but there will be an 8 page preview released this month.
It's still pretty shitty. Something bad happens, he sees an obvious lead and follows it. Continues to help save the world from that point. What was he going to accomplish sitting at her bedside? She was the biologist and Ben and Johnny played doctor just fine without him.
I understand why she was upset but it's still shitty
Why would supervillains target random ass civilians in order to get under Superman's skin? How is that any different from them targeting random ass civilians just because they are a supervillain?
>I was only pretending
Damn, and I was looking forward to posting it, too.
That cute barista can actually take care of herself.
only if he's looking good at the time
you will never flip up that skirt and wreck jimmy's sweet boypussy
Oh man I love that Abilify chick.
And her doctor.
Why would common criminals try and victimize Superman though
He's literally saved the world (and therefore them) like fifty times
Supervillains I can understand (no long-term planning capacity) but dime-store crooks who got stopped by Supes once aren't gonna go rape his pigeons just out of spite
Maybe Clark and the cute barista should get together
>the first villain to try this does this right here
>Supergirl pretends she figured this all out beforehand and squishes the bug
>Everyone else is too scared of Superman's psychic cousin to try again
Only thing stopping him is Kryptonian law, and Krypton is dead
You can do that with a bit of make up actually
>Because in Mexico the roided up beast is chopping people's heads off, and the hardworking scientist fled to America, where he's putting his worthless, Mexican PhD to work picking weeds out of my lawn at 4 dollars per hour.
I honestly do not understand. People who say that Lois did well, are just idiots. This is a good twist to bring something new in Superman life, but Lois was a bitch. Among other things, Lois (the old Lois) had repeatedly explained why revealing the Superman identity was an idiocy that in the long run It would indirectly brought more damage to the entire community of super heroes.
It's not just like reveal the identity of a spy.
I got a question for you traps/trans. How do you make your voice believable? It must be very hard. The only time I've hard people making their voice softer was when they burned their throat.
I always wonder this. All of the X-Men rouges never target their families and it is sort of pointless for the X-Men to use such costumes if everybody knows them.
I did drama club. The only way I can describe it well is you basically tuck a fuckton load air into your voicebox and talk quitely while you have your tongue raised a bit higher than usual.
Or you could get the surgery that has like a 70% chance of making you a mute forever if you cough even once during the two month recovery time.
They just claim to be heavy smokers
If you meet a chick who has a man's voice and smokes a lot it's probably a dickchick
Also did you know if you eat semen, it makes you more feminine?
It could have been literally any other reporter. But no. It had to be Lois that threw Clark under the bus.
Why does New 52 hate Lois so much? First she gets paired up with some rando with no personality just to fuck with Clark, then she becomes Morgan Edge's loyal little toady, then she gets psychic powers for whatever fucking reason, and now she ruins Superman's life? I mean what the fuck even is this shit?
>she's above all else an ethical journalist and outing Clark Kent is tabloid tier.
Welcome to the new face of Journalism.
Secret Identities aren't an outdated concept, but reporters NOT being assholes is.
>yfw Vicki Vale throws Superman under a bus
It's the way it was always meant to be
nobody would take the story seriously unless it was a pulitzer winner like Lois. Imagine if Cat Grant or Steve Lombard did such a story? People would laugh.
Lois is suppose to be a very competitive and ambitious investigative reporter. I like the fact that she was (assumingly, as we don't have the exact details) overcome by her own journalistic drive, the story was simply too big to bury, that she failed to think about full consequences and now regrets it in hindsight. After all, she considered Clark to be her bff and biggest rival, she probably was too pissed at his secret as well as thrilled to finally do a story that Kent can't possibly outdo and steal, that she wasn't thinking straight.
This is a great new direction, which hopefully will get people to read Superman again.
Whose quality of life is improved by releasing that story, Lois? Who benefits? I'll give you a hint, it's you, you piece of shit human being.
The more I think about it the madder I get. This is straight-up Lois crossing the moral event horizon. There's no going back from this.
Superman needs to feel human. Humility is what helps him to not be corrupted by his own power. When Batman stole his powers, he is driven crazy in a delirium of omnipotence.
This twist will force Clark to constantly change Identity and life, but reveal that Superman is one who lives among humans, is something that will destroys that divine image about Superman, which allowed Clark to remain inconspicuous.
>There's no going back from this.
it's nice to know that no matter what she does in the story to make up for it there will always be some people mad about it forever, thanks for the reminder
Oh god dammit I can read it now.
"Daily reminder that this hobag sold Clark Kent out to the world"
"That's not been canon for twenty years you faggot"
New 52 killing off the Kents and giving Clark no real tether to humanity is paying off! Lois didn't ruin Clark's life because he had no life to begin with!
Yeah you nailed it
In a decade or whatever when Clark and Lois are inevitably married again this will be a frequent thing
>Reminder that Lois ruined his life and sold out his secret identity!
>yeah but then she gave up her own reputation and persuaded the Spectre and Detective Chimp to help Supes out, and he forgave her at the end
>SHE MADE A MISTAKE, SHE'S RUINED FOREVER
>Superman needs to feel human. Humility is what helps him to not be corrupted by his own power.
This. The destruction of the Clark Kent persona is almost always the first step in stories where he goes full dictator. Suddenly it's a good idea?
Well, that's what the story is about, so yes?
I could have sworn Pak or Yang said it was going to be the status quo for a year somewhere though so presumably they are already planning to undo it by the end
This is exactly the mistake they are making.
A lot of people don't seem to understand that Clark Kent, the guy who was raised in kansas, is Superman, not a disguise superman wears for convenience.
You'd be surprised. There are a lot of old school fans that think it's better when Superman is the real guy hiding behind a pair of nerdy glasses.
I find Superman much more compelling when Clark is the real guy, and he puts on the suit the way a firefighter puts his helmet on.
Based Detective Chimp. Is there anything he can't fix?
Because in the movies or in the What if stories like Kingdom Come we have always the stupid concept of messianic space Jesus to lead the humans.
Superman does not work in that way. Not in the long run.
>some people get REALLY hung up on their first exposure to a character
Not always a terrible thing, especially if that's also been one of the better portrayals of said character in recent years. Just saying.
It's not really a bad thing, but the inability to let other people get attached to their favorite interpretations or accept that any interpretation except the first one they were exposed to can be pretty grating
I certainly have my preferences, but I'm not so set on them that I think literally everything else is wrong
Had ever happened that was Batman the one going in full dictator mode?
There are a lot of stories with Superman that goes crazy, but I can not remember Batman doing some worldwide mess.
Just the Omac issue, but no others. (Well, my competence is limited.
whenever somebody dares to not portray Batman as perfect or pokes fun at him people start crying about how much the writer hates him
A very bad one. The fact that Clark had parents alive (Both) was something that made him more like us. It was also a perfect mirror of Batman life. I do not understand why people are so obsessed with hiding parents as if they were something unpleasant.
having them alive was kinda nice but frankly I don't miss them that much
it means Supes has to rely on other relationships for support rather than a default relationship with Ma and/or Pa and I like that
I like it better when they die after he becomes Superman as an adult, but I don't really feel strongly one way or the other. It could be a bad thing in theory for the reason you state, but in practice I haven't actually seen anyone really write it as something that tortures him or whatever so it's not a big deal to me.
>Who exactly is harmed by the world knowing Clark Kent is Superman?
Not many people get that if he was Superman 24/7 and didn't have time to be Clark he'd unravel and go crazy. You don't want a crazy Superman. So given enough time it'd basically put everyone in danger.
Of course like most of these kinds of arguments this depends on your Superman.
I honestly have a bigger problem with Batman being portrayed as a brooding borderline sociopath who punches criminals because he's a knotted up eight year old inside and not as an man who realized very young how cruel the world could be no matter your lot in life and made a conscious, adult decision to make it a better place.
>What a terrible fate, to have to pretend your name is John Irwin instead of Clark Kent
He is Clark Kent, not Superman
Clark is who he grew up as, that is his real self more than Superman.
>Batman is insane for fighting against evil and injustice
>but Superman is not
>some people get REALLY hung up on their first exposure to a character
This is something I don't get. I guess it's one of those things you have to be to get.
Or maybe it's because my first exposure to Superman was Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. Fuck I don't know.
Like fifteen years of Wally having his identity out in the open proves villains aren't often that depraved, only the real assholes make it personal. Chances are those types would have found out who you are anyway before this.
For most of the would be villains that would try that, Batman or Superman are fast enough to stop them before anything happens.
The only thing they can't be fast enough for is pure plot power, which they couldn't have stopped even before this. Like when Joker used his random hyper competency to find out who Superman was in less than a week and kill everyone in Metropolis once. Didn't matter that the information wasn't out there, plot can make anything like that suddenly happen.
If the plot decided this was a good thing, like Fantastic Four or Flash, it would suddenly be a good thing. Frankly that's not hard to believe at all, since Superman would normally be strong enough to protect his family members from all angles, if his powers weren't currently going on and off.
If the plot suddenly decided it was a bad thing, it would be treated as a bad thing. Like one arc of Flash where it was like "You just revealed yourself for the glory" and "Oh no, revealing my identity was always wrong, I just realized this, Spectre, help!". Also Spider-man OMD or that time Peter went to the Ultimate Universe "How stupid my younger self was, letting others know".
Is it inherently wrong? Not even close, typically Superman would be able to save everyone related to him if anyone was after them even if his powers were working normally, unless the villain was moving at the speed of plot or was just stupid in that certain way. Think there was a story about that recently though. Not everyone is the Joker, Wally made it work for ages.
Dude. My first exposure was the TV series and the 90's. Him being a fulltime superhero like the F4 makes him boring. If that series has taught me anything it's that one writer can do well and dozens others just make the concept boring as fuck.
Superman has been one of the worst parts of Nu52 and he continues to be so.
>Like fifteen years of Wally having his identity out in the open proves villains aren't often that depraved, only the real assholes make it personal.
The professionalism of the Flash Rogues is the exception, not the rule. It's what makes them, as a group, unique.
Consider we live in a world where if you say something offensive on twitter that's grounds for people to hunt you down and shame not only you, but your family, friends, and coworkers. And that's done in the name of "justice". How can such a thing happen and yet have our supervillains not do worse?
>Batman was not the point.
Yes, Batman is the point.
DC's biggest and most consistent success is Batman by a pretty wide margin, so they go "People like heroes driven by tragedy! Let's kill some parents!"
So I assume this is Nu52?
In which case, I guess the only ones who could possibly be in extra super danger would be Pa and Ma Kent (is Pa alive in Nu52?) & Smallville/Kansas?
I mean, it's not like Superman/Clark depends on the Daily Planet to get access to information, since he's just a blogger in Nu52. Attacking them in retribution has no more meaning than attacking any other building, especially since they're the ones who've outed him. And his girlfriend is Wonder Woman. What? He's afraid some mugger with a grudge is gonna go to her home on Themyscira and shoot her with a gun while she's not wearing her magic alloy bracelets?
Given the current setup in Nu52, I can't think of how this would matter to Superman/Clark, outside the threat to his parents.
People are lazier than you think. People going out of their way when someone offends them is the exception, not the rule. You'd run into more issue with random people harassing people Superman knew asking about Superman than you would super villains giving them issues.
Joker might exists, but every villain being Joker is nowhere near correct, or every villain looking for a reason to become Joker is incorrect. People just use it as an example to say its always wrong to have your identity out there. Even when ironically Joker knew Batman's identity and never did anything personal. Maybe one in ten-thousand villains would be stupid enough to try to make it personal, Superman would be there within an atto-second to give them the red eye stare down before they never tried again.
It's fucking Superman, even being insane isn't enough to warrant most villains to try to get him angry at you.
People go out of their way to harass others online because they're behind the anonymous shield, because its just twitter, because they think they're right so whatever they do to the other guy is justice. That's more in line with paparazzi than it is with villains, as they feel they can get away with it. Villains either have to play smart, or they're behind bars in seconds. I mean I can't tell you enough levels of how that doesn't quite follow suit. This being this doesn't translate into that being this.
>I guess the only ones who could possibly be in extra super danger would be Pa and Ma Kent (is Pa alive in Nu52?) & Smallville/Kansas?
Kansas to Superman is just one step away typically, but they're already dead in New 52.
You have too much faith in humanity. I saw so much wickedness. People now worry even more about how it looks. if you bother someone or you give the impression of disrespect, many take it on personal very easy. You have no idea of assholes that I have to manage at work.
>Joker might exists, but every villain being Joker is nowhere near correct, or every villain looking for a reason to become Joker is incorrect. People just use it as an example to say its always wrong to have your identity out there.
The funny thing is I was actually thinking about the Penguin, and that story how he destroyed that one guy. He THINKS someone is laughing at him, so he slowly and systematically destroys the guy's life until he commits suicide.. No actual killing or hostage situations involved.
And that's what I'd do if I were Lex Luthor. Buy Kent Farm and foreclose on it. Turn all of Smallville into a parking lot. Keep buying wherever Clark is living and evicting him. Daily Planet? That's gone. Print media is dead anyway. I've got bottomless pockets and can buy and sell people easy. Why go full retard and kidnap Lois when I can repossess all her stuff and blacklist her from so many careers that she'll have to turn tricks just to survive and end up offing herself via overdose?
You're jumping straight to "villains will kill his friends" when there are SO many other ways, perfectly legal ways even, to make the lives of everyone Clark knows miserable just by association. Especially given that his arch-nemesis has way more means to do so than a psychopathic clown.
>It's fucking Superman, even being insane isn't enough to warrant most villains to try to get him angry at you.
You did not you read what happened? The first idiot who recognized him went to challenge him creating panic in middle ot the street. And people are really that bitch, especially when they think of not having to worry about consequences.
Then I use my connections in local, state, and national government and a beautiful little thing called Eminent Domain to turn them into municipal buildings and freeways to nowhere.
The ONLY person that might not be able to be fucked with in this way is another billionaire like Bruce Wayne (usually is), and as soon as he starts aiding the outed Superman, people are going to ask why, and then his secret identity is gone too, and then you've gotten Alfred and Dick killed.
The ones that are stronger than him are more "outside of the system".
Darkseid, Brainiac, Doomsday, they don't care who his secret identity is here.
Only the Lex Luthor types might care, or maybe Toyman, but Lex might find it in some disgrace to go at it so openly. Though he might still do it in a casual sort of way.
Superman can't be in two places at once. Just tail Lois or whoever your target is, wait for the next earthquake in China to take Superman to the other side of the planet, and then make your move. Easy peasy.
Then the usual "Superman experiences tragedy and goes crazy and decides to rule the planet" thing can happen again with tedious predictability.
Superman and Flash have both used the trick before where they're in the room and their secret identity is also in the room, because they're both just so fast they're constantly switching between both at light speed.
So yes, he can be in two places at once.
People forget how fast this guy is, someones threatening his tailor on one side of the world and Lois on another, he can do both in a few seconds.
Has a plan ever been able to beat a mainstream hero in the long run?
Best plan ever enacted was probably Bane's original appearance because he kept it simply yet still something that would surely work.
This type of stuff though, never so much works.
If we go the whole "nothing in comics is permanent" route then that has to apply both ways and we have to admit that Clark is going to get his secret identity back in a few years anyway due to some bullishit.
After the first few times he has to scare someone away, they start to learn as the message spreads to what happens to those that try.
Then Batman comes up with a counter plan to allow Superman to live normally even with his identity out. Like everyone he knows gets a special watch that can send a message to Superman whenever for starters.
You can start killing random people in Metroplois and have the same effect on Superman as killing people he casually knows, still hurts either way, but people don't do it for a reason.
How important is a secret identity anyway? Superman is just Superman most of the time. When you really think about it when would he ever have time to live a civilian life?'
It is so unimportant and irrelevant to the comics that Clark would go "Oh welp I just emerged from a fucking universal cataclysm that unmade reality here I go back to the Daily Planet!" That and any character that is important in DC already knows that Clark is Superman
Its weird because film making sensibilities are a lot more accepting of liberal ideas, but communism still has to be portrayed as 100 percent evil and inaccurate. Honestly if films are to be believed then there is like no difference between Communism and Fascism.
Any kind of media that would portray communists even a little sympathetically is just not allowed. America is dumb
If Clark Kent ceases to exit because people know Superman is Clark Kent then Clark Kent is a construct. Though it doesn't look like thats how the story is swinging it.
Clark needs to man the fuck up and stop crying.
Wait... The old universe is going to come back after the divergence. DC will have its OMD
Red Son is dumb on a lot of levels, from Luthor exacting a decades-long revenge due to a clone beating him at chess to Supes almost blindly trusting Brainiac and letting him brainwash people despite his ideals.
One of those cases where the concept is more interesting than the actual execution, but no way can Hollywood be expected to improve on a concept that involves communism as a sympathetic point of view.
>A lot of people don't seem to understand that Clark Kent, the guy who was raised in kansas
Yeah but one of the architects of this run, Pak, understands that perfectly well. So I'm not worried on that account.
>ever getting shot in the face
>Darkseid, Brainiac, Doomsday, they don't care who his secret identity is here.
I dunno man. In this very run when Vril Dox/Brainiac executed his master plan (taking the minds of every human on Earth, with no survivors) he hit Smallville and Metropolis first because he knew those were the places Clark called home. Dude was a megacunt.
His life was already a warzone. From Space Satans coming to Earth to see if they could rule the galaxy together, to space dragons sent by his space brother to test his powers, to space warlords coming to earth because fuck earth, it's not like this changes much. The only difference is he can't hang out with Jimmy and Cat in his apartment anymore because Lois fucking ruined it. Also
>implying Clark x post-Flashpoint Cat isn't best ship
Why would DC start doing stupid shit when New 52 was finally getting in a good groove?
Honestly I'm kinda hoping for more of her. Have her take over as Superman's PR agent from Lois.
Think about it: They run a website together, she left the planet and her job because she was inspired by Clark. She's an underdog to Lois.
She's what Lois was back at the beginning of Pre 52. - young, Idealistic and just starting out and inspired by Clark/Superman.
I don't think Johns would allow it, his endgame ship is always going to be Lois/Clark
Plus all the other potential love interests for Clark (like Lucy) got torpedoed when the Wonder Woman thing happened
From a moral point of view, that's not how do you deal with the "friends". Lois should have warned him before. Explain her reasons and intentions.
She use the "truth excuse" to act with selfishness. The "truth" is not an excuse for the lack of common sense and NO... "Truth" is above everything. Think that the truth is a value that allow any action is just stupidity.
>remember that Lois was fucking that guy, and Clark was all sad. And that guy was all "Maybe he's pining for you?" Then she was all "Nah, let's get back to fucking",
How should she have responded?
"You're right. We're breaking up and I'm going out with Clark now."
>The ONLY person that might not be able to be fucked with in this way is another billionaire like Bruce Wayne (usually is), and as soon as he starts aiding the outed Superman, people are going to ask why, and then his secret identity is gone too, and then you've gotten Alfred and Dick killed.
Except the only person people want to fuck with less than Superman is Batman.
Seems this comic hit it right on the mark. Going to need a elseworld story of this..
Wait, are you implying Kingdom "I'm gonna go murder the United Nations because I'm butthurt about them nuking us" Come Superman is any good? Or that the whole comic wasn't just Waid and Ross whining about how modern comics are bad because they suck?
Nah fuck off