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So have there been any tits busted over this yet?
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>>71201211

>inb4 MUH DAUGHTER tweets and much laughter by all
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>>71201211
Shit this is an awesome cover.

Is this a female artist?
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>>71201211
This is fucking disgusting I can't believe someone did this seriously, Like put this much work into it and DIDN'T GIVE GWEN BLACK AND BLUE CONVERSE. What a waste of paper.
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>>71201211
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Also your filename is wrong.
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>>71201211
Dated reference, but a nice cover thanks to the web cables holding the ball up.
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I don't even know if I like or hate this cover.
Miley Cyrus is awful and it doesn't fit the book at all. But look at that Gwen.
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I don't know about busting tits, but it sure is doing something to my dick.
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>>71201256
It seems so. witta . deviantart
>March 27th I posted a SpiderGwen sketchcover here
The client said I could do whatever I wanted so I made a little homage to the controversial Manara cover. (you know, for fun?)
>A week later, Frank Cho posts his SpiderGwen/Manara cover and Robbi Rodriguez voiced his opinion on it, ala The Mary Sue. Which has really sparked some debate across news blogs and social media. Actually, I think Rob Liefeld just joined the fray as I'm posting this.
>Well, as a female comic artist who also illustrates sexy, cute pinup art, I had to follow up with another sketchcover.
LOVE AND PEACE!
>...hahaha... double standards.
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>>71201256
Mikey Cyrus wrecking ball reference
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>>71201281
It could be because of the Anne Hathaway thing bringing it up again.
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Thread needs more sexy Gwen.
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>>71201357
oh my god, I knew that artist since she was working on a webcomic and then I totally forgot about her
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>>71201411
Ok.
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>>71201357
Haha, wow
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>>71201430
>>71201211
>>71201357

I like her.

Suck another dick Robbi.
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God I couldn't possibly care less.
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>>71201430
Anyone have a link to the big thread about Cho's Spider-Gwen cover?
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What's up the incredibly dated reference?
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>>71201469
It's only been like two years, People still reference Back to the Future, it's not that preposterous is it?
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>>71201508
This.

> read comic books about characters that were hip and fresh in the 60s
> complain about dated references
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>>71201211
People please, there is an easy solution to outrage from over-sexualized female characters. And it's called the Hawkeye Initiative.
Won't you please donate some Male Smut to the cause?
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>>71201602
If I didn't know better, I'd think this was all just an excuse to look at dude butts.
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>>71201429
Gwen Stacy, not Gwen Tennyson.
Although I suppose all Gwen's should be welcome.
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>>71201613
Oh no!
It's a celebration of male empowerment.
Just as much as the depiction of female characters in comics is a celebration of female empowerment.
Nothing's more empowering to people, than butt-shots and skimpy outfits. I look forward to a future where all comic book costumes meet a standard requirement of sexiness.
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>>71201602
>And it's called the Hawkeye Initiative.

But the HI has been around for a long ass while, and people still bitch about sexualised female characters
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>>71201508

I dislike silk but I cannot deny she gets my dick hard almost everytime.
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>>71201256
>Is this a female artist?
yes
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>>71201211
Man, that sucks.
First an asian dude, now a woman. Good thing Rob Liefeld or Patrick Zircher are supporting Cho, otherwise western talibans wouldn't have any "white men" to blame for that.
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>>71201643
Being passive-aggressive and ironic isn't funny or smart, it just makes you look like a tool, which you are.
You know where you should go back to by now, buckle up and go.
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>>71201645
That's cause it's a fan driven initiative, not an actually habit among the industry.
Let's face it, there is a difference in the level of female costume sexiness and the level of male costume sexiness.
Now there are 2 solutions:
1 - Make all costumes equally unsexy. (Boo, boring!)
2 - Make all costumes equally sexy. (YAY)
Now anybody with tech armor or the like can probably stay the same, but I fully expect everyone else to be rocking at least a banana hammock.
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>>71201508
>>71201565
Those are beloved classics, the other is a trashy product for stupid people.
If you concentrate hard enough I bet you can see the difference.
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>>71201357
This bitch seems okay. Is she hot? Cause that's all that really matters.
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>>71201734
Damn anon, chill out. Regardless it's still not all that incredulous for people to reference something they remember.

>>71201739
She looks like Gwen. Go to her dA.
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>>71201710
>>71201710
>Let's face it, there is a difference in the level of female costume sexiness and the level of male costume sexiness.

No.
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>>71201710
It's distresing that so many people seem to wish 1
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>>71201748
>Said nothing about body type
>Was talking about costume
How come Superman's still wearing a shirt?
Point of order, MCU's Thor definitely has the right idea.
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>>71201746
>She looks like Gwen. Go to her dA.
Just post a picture, asshole.
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>>71201748
That pic is correct, we need more beefcake.
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>>71201758
Prudes. What are you gonna do?
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>>71201710
The problem with your thinking is that the complainers don't want things for themselves so much as they want the people they dislike to not have things.

So more sexy costumes for everyone isn't going to stop the complaining. There aren't enough "dudebro tears" with that route.
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>>71201748
Let's not forget the false equivalencies, like:
Female in bikini = male with sock on penis
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>>71201761
I'm not comfortable crossing that bridge of creeper, you lazy fiend.
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>>71201357
>Rob Liefeld
W-What
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>>71201768
read more mangas, I guess
as long as amerifags keep reading them on mangapanda instead of buying them, they are quite safe
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>>71201759
>How come Superman's still wearing a shirt?
Why shoudn't he? Wondy doesn't go around barechested.
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I would fug the shit out of this skeet meat.
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>>71201778
>A picture available to all on the internet
>reposting it in another site makes you a creep

I hope you are a woman at least, it'd be embarassing if this level of pussyfication came from a man.
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>>71201779
He made a FB post defending Cho and Manara.
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>>71201775
The Penis Sock is a classic design.
Don't knock it till you tried it.
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>>71201811
Then why isn't Superman rocking the Panties and Bustier?
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>>71201820
Well, I blame my own laziness, anon. Back to the discussion
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>>71201829
That show was clumsy and awkward in a lot of ways, but when it hit, it hit.
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Aside from cool artwork, there isnt anything going for the comic that we havent already seen in some form.

This is nothing but a cash grab on trending social justice bullshit. I sincerely hope this along with fem thor bomb financially so we can make room for stories that writers actually want to tell and can take seriously.

Worst thing to happen to thor since thunderstrike and donald blake. And this is coming from a jason aaron fanboy..
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>>71201841
He already has a costume.
No famous DC hero goes around particulary exposed, except for Power Girl maybe. But she had a male counterpart and they tried to change that anyway.
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>>71201859
You do realize Donald Blake was there at the inception of Marvel Thor right?
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Spider gwen has the thickest dick
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>>71201864
>>71201864
>No famous DC hero goes around particulary exposed, except for Power Girl maybe. But she had a male counterpart and they tried to change that anyway.
>Completely ignoring Wonder Woman, whom you brought up
For the record, I liked Power Girl's New 52 costume, but what you gonna do?
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>>71201859
>Worst thing to happen to thor since thunderstrike
motherfucker you better take that back
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>>71201874
This is my fetish.
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>>71201866
Classic marvel thor is literally ass. Thor didnt get depth until worldengine. The last jason aaron run of thor, the god killer, was the best thing we have gotten in fucking years. Fem thor is literally taking us multiple steps back.
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>>71201469
idk my bff jill
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>>71201905
>worldengine
>implying Walt Simonson's Thor run isn't among the top 10 cape runs of all time
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>>71202039
>implying that moron has even read it
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>>71201905
Lol even Fraction/Gillen are better than pleb Aaron
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>>71201739
Yes.
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>>71201211

Nah Miley Cyrus is the feminists Avatar so this gets a pass.
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>>71201211
>Marvel thinks pissing people off attracts customers
>The whole Cho ordeal that happened lately
>Mfw Marvel will go out of their way to piss off SJW because off better sales
god yes
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>>71202039
>beta ray pony
>talking frogs

Nigga please. It wasnt nearly as bad as most golden age shitw but the cheese was as real as the villain of the week structure it relied on.
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>>71202074

Say guh.
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>>71201710
While making everyone's costumes equally sexy would be pretty great, that won't stop people from complaining. Modern feminists just like to complain about sexualised female characters, even in works which have sexualised male characters
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>>71202072
Aaron has been one of the only writers to actually write thor as "a god". It was one of the only redeeming arcs he got since richards used him as a meat puppet.
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>>71201883
I thought her weird wedge heels being built into the costume and half-assed logo were lame, but liked the blue stripe. Made her poses stand out.
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>>71201748
People tend to forget the important thing: The dude on the right has a sexuality while the dude on the left is only occasionally a sexual being, mostly during stories when his lover ends up getting killed.

Now I dunno about you, but most people don't dream about getting killed so that their former lover can now starr in a story about superhumans fucking up the planet.
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>>71201602
But a sexy male is nothing but a power fantasy!

The HI ridicules male sexuality, just read jojo, man!
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Someone just needs to draw her having Angry sex with Norman already.
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>>71202296
What's Norman's role in that alternate universe of hers?
They could've made him his love interest, just for fun
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>>71203391
>>71202296
This is next level cucking holy shit.

I'm not sure if cucking is the accurate term anymore.
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>>71201430
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>>71201211
Hot
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>>71201778
Show your face.
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>>71201211
So exactly why fags and sjw hate sexy women?

I don't get that part.
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>>71201748
> on the right the woman is covered head to toe while the man is naked
> on the left the woman is wearing a miniskirt while superman is covered head to toe

I like how conservatards are often intentionally shooting themselves in the foot argument-wise.
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>>71203539
>fags
Because sexy women aren't men.
>sjw
Because sjw's aren't sexy, but they're jealous of the sexy women.

Anon pls, it's not rocket surgery.
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>>71201710
or 3 do what every you want and fuck anyone who says other wise
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>>71203539
>So exactly why fags and sjw hate sexy women?

They don't. You don't understand their issues because you're an idiot.
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>>71203539
>>71203574
Fag here. We dont hate sexy woman. We actually dont give a fuck. Blame SJW landwhales though.
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>>71201759
Because for some weird reason that sort of thing went out of fashion with the artists. Martian Manhunter was one of the last holdouts until nu52 hit.
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>>71203443
It would be some strange form of cucking. True Peter is dead in that world, but muliversally speaking his is alive and it's pretty much true in most of them that she's one of his great loves.
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>>71203615
Would you care to explain in a calm and reasonable manner on behalf of your fellow compatriots?
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>>71201602
The Hawkeye initiative is retarded.
A) Agile comic characters do those poses all the time to begin with so you aren't making some great change. Aka see if spider-man can go 5 seconds without a provocative pose or showing off of the spideybutt.
B) Hawkeye would do all of the poses to begin with while being completely in character .When the Avengers get bored they probably bet that he can make X shot while cartwheeling off the side of Stark Tower in a pink tutu and doing a plie.
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>>71203782
>The Hawkeye initiative is retarded.

I think it's useful when applied to moments like the genderswapped thor 5 (hell, gender swapping the entire thor would be a lulz mine, including having odin slap the shit out of freyja) or gender swapping that wonder woman page complaining about mansplaining
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>>71203574

Fag here. We don't hate sexy women.
And we like "muh male power fantasies". Sexuallly
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>>71204002

And I can also speak for a couple of lipstick lesbians I know that love cheese cake
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>>71202074
More importantly, Devils Due are still publishing shit? I thought they went broke
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Nice Cover but.....who is she?
There's a slight difference since Frank is bigger.
There may be a sexual double standard but I'd say there's also the fact nobody probably saw it in the first place.

Is this nontroversy not dead yet? Last I heard Frank Cho linked to some GGer's article and they're getting pissy about that.
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>>71203539
because all sjw's are Jewish, conservative, pro-life, born-again, overweight, Asian Lesbian broads who cuts herself.
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>>71204002
>>71204140

I am sorry for our
>muh evil sjwfemuhnazigayagenda

4chan idiots. Have a nice day .
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>>71204846
I went through his FB, he linked to something called Reaxxion. They don't really seem to be GG, just anti-SJW. Which I guess nowadays does mean GG
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>>71205123
Wait no I take that back they have a whole section dedicated to GG, I just missed it

DISREGARD EVERYTHING I SUCK COCKS
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>>71205054
No one cares retard.
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>>71205137
At least you admit it.
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>>71205148
I gotta admit my faults

I also checked out his Twitter, he retweeted a picture of him and Liana K's ass. She was doing some GG shit months ago right? I can't keep track anymore. But on the other hand, Liana K's ass and Frank Cho
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>>71201643
Mike Grell era Legion is calling your name right now.
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>>71205186
>Liana K
>super model

no Frank. She's just a model
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>>71205054
what a faggot

the gay guy can stay. you're too much of a faggot to be here, gtfo
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>>71203558
>Superman
Skin tight suit that leaves little to the imagination
>Lois Lane
Dressed like a mom going to work

Are Americans so anti-sex even their left are against it? It's kinda hilarious.
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>>71205267
He seems to think that gays aren't extremely common on 4chan.
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>>71205282
Horseshoe theory
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>>71201253
Why ISN'T that dude freaking out? Look how sexual that is
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>>71205282
anon, her skirt is way above the knee. And her tits are covered, but you can still tell she has them. And...are those black pumps?

She's dressed like a whore. Complete and total whore.
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>>71205335
Probably hasn't seen it yet. Cause he's blind and whatnot
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>>71205335
Well he's going to have to come to terms with the fact that he had a daughter, and if she's even mildly attractive, she's going to have at least 20 dicks in her lifetime
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>>71202074
>ugly tmblr landwhales throw hissyfits about female objectification while hot cuties celebrate feminine beauty

Shocking
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>>71205338
Yea I read that article too. Pretty funny.
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>>71205355
>37! My daughter's sucked 37 dicks!
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>>71205529
I don't know the article. link.
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>>71205540
In a row?
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>>71205566
Simultaneously.
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>>71201602
>the Hawkeye Initiative

You mean unhappy, untalented artists who barely read comics and are solely looking for asspats?
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>>71205267
Oh, i am sorry, Mr. internetwarrior.

Did i insult your laughable, tiny worldview?
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>>71205290
What happens on /co/ on every Nightwing thread boarders to a Sodom-situation.
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>>71201469
Same decade m8.
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>>71205630
That Miles one is always exceptionally lewd.
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>>71205714
In this time of day referencing something more the a year old might as well be referencing the Magna Carta.
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>>71205551
I don't have a link, but it was a fake article about a senator named "Richard Head" trying to get a bill passed that requires a dress code for the children of the president, citing that "their skirts were too short; you can clearly see above their knees!" and "only gogo dancers wear the boots they were wearing!".
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>>71205684
okay baitmaster, here's your reply
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>>71205684
*Tips hormones*
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>>71205630
that boner on Miles though
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>>71205786
>>71205810

Samefagging so obviously. Jesus, you are pathetic.

And then being so retarded to use the fedora-meme, while YOU are the the frustrated, fat teenies, that go
>Muhfemuhnazis
>MuhSJWeverywhere

in every thread.

What a loser.
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>>71206416
or its that you're a faggot, and nobody likes you?
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>>71206430
Ah, im quite fine with my social life and my family, mr. teen angst. Could you get any more edgy, pathetic loser?

Come on, be honest: How many posts whining about
>muh femuhnusts

did you do today to feel better? Loser.
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Spider-Gwen is apparently one of Marvel's top sellers right now. Is it just because of MUH GWEN? Because personally I find it a boring, dull, uninteresting experience. There just aren't enough differences between Gwen's universe and 616 to make for interesting new stories. It's just the same shit retread again.
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>>71206484
then why are you crying so hard on the internet?
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>>71205338
These puritanical values are really starting to become annoying.
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>>71205630

The difference is that one is objectification. The other is a male power fantasy.
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>>71201691
And that is the answer for the thread. She could have obvious nipples and toe but hey its drawn by a woman so its okay.
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>>71201211

It needs Spider-Man in the corner going "damn baby, nice ass"
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>>71206514
its puritanical values for guys, whatever you want for women
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>>71206492
>It's just the same shit retread again.
Maybe the majority of people buying it haven't read them before? Maybe between Spider-Gwen and femThor the old adage of "SJWs don't buy comics" isn't strictly true any more?
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>>71205254
Yea not skinny enough to be a "super" model.
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>>71206518
I dunno, I've never had a fantasy about spreading eagle in a tight suit for all to see. But I mean, maybe someone has.
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>>71206492
Hyped up, tons of variants, tied to a big name, and yeah pretty teenage girl is a thing to be right now.
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>>71206416
I'm gay.
Stop being an annoying faggot.
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>>71206578

It's a bit of both. Thanks to the Nolan Batman trilogy and the series of Avengers movies more people are getting into comics, a bunch of which are women. They aren't the ones complaining because some sexy girl drawing isn't enough to piss off most level-headed people.
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>>71205368
>miley cyrus
>feminine beaity
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>>71206600
try not famous enough

why are you being such a faggot today?
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>>71206484
Haha you are fucking MAD.
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>>71206645
Eh, I would.

If she went back to long hair and dropped the wigger schtick.
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>>71206691
>wigger schtick
she's a redneck

its not a schtick
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I kind of want to read Spider-Man but I stopped after issue 300.

How do I get back in? Issue 700?
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>>71201256

I'm getting bored with girls being the only ones in comics allowed to draw sexy girls

Male artists need to grow their dicks back and draw bangin' sluts the way Cho does and laugh it off when the feminazi mob turns up to bitch
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>>71205186
>Liana K

Fuck that disingenuous pandering cunt is no better than Anita Sarkeesian.
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>>71206827
To be fair it's not like guys aren't still constantly drawing hot chicks, this is just a case of tumblrtards trying to flex their muscles for no reason.
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>>71201469
>dated reference
>September 2013
Kids these days
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>>71206663
Said while you rage at women for not giving a shit about you, buddy? :^)
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>>71206762
>desperate twerk attempts
>not a wigger thing

I suppose the redneck genes could be a part of the problem but still.
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>>71205566

I like you buddy.
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>>71206827
What's truly appalling is that Cho draws banging sluts AND they're anatomically correct, one of the biggest issues actual feminists have with cheesecake covers. It's just these false feminists that care more about being offended.
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>>71207607
Hasn't that always been the case? People just going out of their way to get offended? Sounds just like tumblr...
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>>71206910
>made of rape
Why? Because "Sephiroth-with-scars-and-stubble" Geralt ploughs women who want him? Yeah. Sure.
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>>71207237
>she admits women are terrible people
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>>71207452

The point the previous anon was making is that redneck and wigger go together like shit and flies
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>>71207741
She means the game is made of rape.
The development team was very green that way.
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>>71207607

What's really appalling is when SJWs are given the chance to make comics and the comics look like this, proving SJWs never even slightly gave a shit about anatomical correctness
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>>71206484

Does calling people a loser on the internet make you feel better about the problems in your own life?
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>>71207741
She has zero history with games and made those tweets around the time of The Witcher 3's E3 trailer or something, she panders to GG and now writes for The Escapist.
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>>71206827
I wish I was that guy. I totally like sexy characters, but for some reason I like to draw meek girls with cloths and small breasts. And it's not even sexual, It's just what I like. Portal, Korra, stuff like that.

I suppose if I was into drawing sexy women, I probably would try to do it without fear of SJW. I would just keep doing it and ignore them. A lot of issues people have is that they keep logging into social media sites. No respectable artist or writer should be on twitter or tumblr. Maybe facebook since that seems to be somewhat good for promotion.

But I really wish most of these guys would stay off tumblr and ignore bullshit bloggers like salon.
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>>71207838
Wow don't be such a shitlord pissbaby, you just hate Squirrel Girl because you can't jerk off to it!
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>>71206518

>objectification

The hawkeye redraw is closer to objectification than the Spider-woman one.

Spiderwoman isn't arching her back with her ass sticking out while making a kissy face. That is a decent pose and the focus of the picture isn't her ass.
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>>71207741
A lot of women get raped in the Witcher books and games, but there's nothing wrong with that. Some people have some weird thing about how you shouldn't write about rape ever because women are emotionally children or something.
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>>71207838
>>71208008

It's because she's badly drawn and fat.

If she was badly drawn and skinny then that would be like 8000 rapes on the oppression scale.
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>>71208008
>muh strawmen
those whores don't know shit.
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>>71206762
Yes it is.
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>>71208033
Is it used cheaply?
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>>71208033
most SJW's haven't heard of the Witcher, because most of them don't play games.

Once the handfull that DO tell the rest to get pissy about it, you'll see the outrage. Not before then though
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>>71208033
Can you imagine how much classic literature would be banned and censored if these SJWs had their way?
People like them hold back the progress of society and thought.
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>>71208196
It's a matter-of-fact part of the setting along with other kinds of violence.
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>>71208351

>People like them hold back the progress of society and thought.

I think arguing that rape is an overly-used narrative cliche for hack writers who can't figure can't figure out more interesting or complex way to show defeat or trauma is a perfectly legitimate grevience.

I think it has less to to with MUH SOGYNY then just being a shit writer in general. I mean Christ women do it too, there was that whole shitfit about Mary getting raped on Reign and that has a female showrunner.
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>>71208008
>because you can't jerk off to it!
You don't know shit about men do you? I've jerked to stupider, uglier shit than this.
Like your mom
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>>71208618
I jerked it to Moon Over June once
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>>71208638
The machine right?
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>>71207747
>for not giving a shit about fat, teeny losers.
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>>71208638
If I ever read MoJ I'd probably end up rubbing one out to that chink that does self fisting.
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>>71208638
Liar
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>>71208638
>once
step yo game up playa.
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>>71208699
I did it just to see if I could.

I could

It hurt like shit, had to go at it for like two hours
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who cares
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>>71201211

She's not sticking her ass out like on the cho/minara cover

Girls sticking their asses out = feminazi rage
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>>71208729
Does it still update? I suppose I could try it again. Not like I have anything better to do right now
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>>71208231
To be fair to SJWs (And I may actually vomit from typing that), the Witcher 1's attitude toward sex is incredibly juvenile. You collect women as trading cards for fuck's sake. Not that being juvenile is a bad thing, necessarily, as long as you cop to it.
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>>71208744
>not edging for at least 2 hours per fap session

Get a load of this pleb.
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>>71206827
trust me, i'm trying.
i'd be drawing huge tits 24/7 when i get good enough.
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>>71206492
>There just aren't enough differences between Gwen's universe and 616 to make for interesting new stories.

There are enough. Matt and Kingpin working together, Stacy being alive and having his own daughter be a costumed vigilante and Punisher working for NYPD.

The only weak thing about Spider-Gwen is Spider-Gwen herself.
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>>71208784
and there was literally no complaining about that because like I said: they don't play those games. Just like they don't read these comics. They only get pissed off when one of the few that DOES says "hey guys lets rev up those outrage machines"
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>>71208793
This was more of an angry fap. Kinda trying to beat it into my penis that this would work even though everything kept fighting it. I think I raped myself
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>>71208826
I've been wondering for the longest time how they find out about this shit when they don't even play/read the relevant material.
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>>71206827
I'd love Frank Cho so much more if he didn't have such a terrifyingly irrational hatred for Superman and everything about him.
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>>71208862
the handful that do fire it off to their twitter and tumblr leaders, the leaders get pissed, and the unwashed crowds of dyed hair, fedoras, and desperation follows
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>>71208862
Because some of them DO play/read/watch this stuff. And nowadays more and more probably do play/read/watch just to look for stuff to shit themselves about.
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>>71208797
>Black Cat swaps minds with Spider-Women, and we get a Superior Spider-Gwen arc
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>>71208901
>liking amerijesus unironically

No.
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>>71208901
are you really demanding that he like everything that you like? so you're not 100 percent alike anon, what does that have to do with you enjoying his art?
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>>71208952
yes
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So back to the OP question. Did anyone tweet this? I want to see if sjws reacted to the artist's double standard comment.
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>>71208929
Going out of their way to get offended as usual I see.

Great.
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>>71208995
They would claim she has internalized misogyny or something.
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>>71208901
Agreed. It's not easy have these torn feelings toward Cho. I want to be on his side, but Superman is my favorite hero.
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>>71208952
Congratulations, you outed yourself as a tremendous faggot. I'm sure your parents are very proud of you.

There's nothing wrong with liking or disliking a character, you dumb little puddle of wasted brain matter. The problem is when people like Cho develop an unhealthy obsession with their hatred of a character, and make it taint everything else they do. That picture up there? It wasn't something Cho did for shits and giggles, a fan commissioned it. And it didn't ask for that at all, it just said something with Batman and Superman. And Cho decided to turn that into a two-page, prolonged rant on why he absolutely DESPISES a character for having a decent moral center. It's the most juvenile shit you can imagine, and it comes from a "professional" in the industry. If you can't see the problem there, you're retarded.
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>>71208949
That sounds really good actually.
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>>71208966
My problem isn't that Cho dislikes Superman, it's that he's so fucking crazy about it. It's autism on a scale that would make /r9k/ balk.
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>>71209023
The old stand-by. Works for any woman who doesn't agree with them.
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>>71209026
You can think he's an asshole for hating his views on Superman but think it's dumb that he's getting hassled for fan art.
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>>71209029
Cho can draw what ever he likes.
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>>71209067
I really want some white knight sjw to cry interalized misogyny to a woman just so she can fire back that he has externalized beta faggotry.
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>>71209163
Yeah, and I can call him a gigantic sperg for being a gigantic sperg about fictional characters he has rage issues towards. Welcome to freedom of expression, numbnuts.
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>>71209195
and we can all laugh at you for being upset enough to call him anything for not liking a fictional character
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>>71209029
>getting this mad because anon doesn't like your favorite mary sue(perman)

There is literally zero appeal in a character with a powerset that can be summarized as Godmode.
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>>71208008
Is that travesty cancelled yet?
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>>71209190
I want this to happen. What would the traditional white knight response be, though?
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>>71209029
i smell a new copypasta.
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>>71209195
>Welcome to freedom of expression, numbnuts.
If that's the case, why are you so mad?
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>>71209190
>>71209257
you have to understand the SJW hierarchy. Only a woman is allowed to say internalized misogyny to another woman.
Also, the woman making that claim better be a minority of some kind or she's still in trouble
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>>71209238
Not yet its sales went up a little
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>>71209305
>better be a minority

Or if she's famous for doing something retarded, right
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>>71209236
>thinking superman is godmode
>being this casual

Just stop.
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>>71209320
Brb, going to my LCS
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>>71201211
Is she going to come on top of people like a wrecking ball?
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>>71208437
Rape is no different than murder and war and other negative aspects of people as far as writing goes why should it be held in a different category?
It is regularly used in warfare in Africa as a weapon of fear, it happens trying to create this barrier or aversion to sexual violence in fiction that really does not exist in to regular violence its unnecessary and merely used for political ammunition for social issues like "rape culture" and other such nonsense.
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>>71209305
>you have to understand the SJW hierarchy. Only a woman is allowed to say internalized misogyny to another woman.

I sorta realized this before I posted, but I couldn't pass up an excuse to post "externalized beta faggotry". I guess if it were a woman crying it to another woman, she could shoot back "you have externalized cuntiness" or something.
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>>71209286
Because there's nothing wrong with being mad over someone being such a faggot they let it taint their work.
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>>71209361
#1 41,693
#2 24,621
#3 26,586
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>>71209350
Then how come any Superman vs. X thread always ends up becoming a circlejerk over how hard superman would win?

inb4
>vs threads
>relevant
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>>71209403
>let it taint their work.
How?
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>>71209458
my schadenfreude is going into overdrive.
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>>71203743
Not a SJW and I'm like 90% sure they don't exist, but Male characters get to be sexy without sexy being their only redeeming quality.

For some reason though you end up with stuff like that ugly as shit she hulk run, or people tracing pornstar poses everytime a girl is on panel. It's getting better but there wasn't much inbetween for a while.

No one is against the sex appeal, just keep it out of the forefront until we get some good stories in and you can justify a character as something that isn't eye candy.
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>>71209458

Are those considered good sales in American comics?
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>>71209458

I have no idea how anyone can like that travesty.
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>>71209591
>, or people tracing pornstar poses everytime a girl is on panel.

Not every artist is Greg Land, and most people hate Land.
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>>71209610
not really. for Marvel, most books that drop bellow 20k are in danger of cancellation
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>>71206910
"Cause it means unfairly bashing someone as the price of inclusion"
Completely lacking in a sense of irony.
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>>71209591
>Wasn't much inbetween for a while
I'll agree there was a lot of shit art in the past but I don't think there was apoint EVERY artist was Greg Land.
>90% sure they don't exist
Really people flipping their shit over Frank Cho's fan art doesn't count as SJW?
>>71209610
Not especially but not cancellation tier plus it may be one of those "we want this here" books like Captain Marvel so.....
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>>71209591
Not the same anon but I have issue with that, the male characters who's only redeeming quality is sexiness absolutely exists but in women's fiction like romcoms, romance novels, erotica and such.
No one gives a shit though because that doesn't create a problem for anyone no one is actually harmed or affected negatively by these things other than those that like to bitch about made up shit aka feminists, there is no harm in having some characters like that and don't give me that objectification bullshit, or people can't tell the difference between pure fiction and reality and therefore it influences real life in negative and problematic ways even though I have no proof crap.
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>>71205368
That's all this ever was
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>>71208008
I'm a chubby, ugly guy I wouldn't read a comic about a chubby weirdly drawn guy. There's always an unconscious appeal with comics where I'd like to see a good looking guy. And I ain't gay hopefully

At least deadpool is drawn with a healthy build even when he's obviously a slob.
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>>71207838
I feel the insane need of redrawing this shit.
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>>71209591
>but Male characters get to be sexy without sexy being their only redeeming quality.
So do female characters. It's just that you don't realize when they have depth because *you* as an individual can't look past their cleavage.

Objectification is an action done by the observer.
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>>71209970
>I'm a chubby, ugly guy I wouldn't read a comic about a chubby weirdly drawn guy.

>i am insecure as fuck

Fixed, no need to thank me.
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>>71210303
Please name one female character that ever had any character depth beyond look at my tits before last year.
Thought as much.
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>>71210416
Wonder Woman.
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>>71210416
Polaris.
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>>71210416
Batwoman
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>>71210416
Jackie Chan.
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>>71210425
Bull shit
>>71210433
Who?
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>>71210462
Why do you pretend to know about comics when you talk about them when you don't know about comics?
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>>71210462
>Bull shit
Then she doesn't need a movie.
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>>71210416
Huntress, Black Canary, Supergirl, Batgirl, Scarlet Witch, Batwoman, Renee Montoya, Phyla Vel, Dove, Wonder Woman, Mera.
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>>71201357
>guy draws a sexy girl
YOU MISOGYNIST SHITLORD!

>girl draws the same thing
How empowering!
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>no board for western adult comics

why?
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>>71210595
Because they have western lawyers and tend to be lazy enough to spend half their day googling themselves to see who's pirating their stuff. It's not worth all the takedown notices.
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>>71201211

my NUTS have been busted.
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>>71201602
>Hawkeye Initiative
Kill you are self.
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>>71201602
right now we need the inverse
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>>71211708

Just as ugly.
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>>71201464
Anyone?
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>>71211951

Right this way. >>71048434
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>>71201211
>why aren't people fitting into my narrative for me
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>>71212094
I think they might be.
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>>71210416
You don't end a statement with a preconceived conclusion.

It makes it incredibly evident you don't actually wish to have a discussion and just want to say you're view is the only one that is right.
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>>71201691
That mattered to the sort of busy bodies that bother with this sort of stuff?
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>>71206518
>feminists actually believe this
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>>71206518
The most bullshit counter-argument of all time.

>>JUST TO PROVE YOU WRONG I'LL TELL YOU I DON'T FIND MAN ABS SEXY
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>>71208008
>>71207838
man what the FUCK

They turned her into a bigger meme character
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>>71206518
Then how do you obectify a male character?
And what is the female power fantasy?
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>>71210416
Silk
No, really. She's great in her own book.
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>>71213765
Samefagging tryhard
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>>71208008
>EricaFails
She certainly does.
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>>71213765
Females objectify me pretty often
It's not as fun as it sounds
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>>71201829
master cylinder pants are best pants
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>>71214237
I can't believe i used to think this guy was "buff".
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>>71201430
can this be a running joke now with people drawing the covers.
like, ever con, everyone should ask people to draw the main character in the manara spiderwoman pose
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>>71208008
I don't even mind ugly characters but there's something grotesque about those faces that just seem off.
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>>71214376
I don't like the faces either. I can hardly believe that Wolverine dated her.
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>>71214301
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>>71201211
>>71201430
>>71201746
>>71201778
>>71203529
>>71205186
>>71211973
With great power comes great assponsibility.
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>>71208008
It took me forever to figure out this wasn't a webcomic, as it's one cut above like, Questionable Content in terms of artstyle.
It doesn't help that I don't really like squirrel girl.
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>>71214416
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>>71214521
The vacuum cleaner makes it so perfect.
>>
god you guys are fucking pathetic. you just confirm every stereotype "SJWs" have of dumb nerds.
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>>71215898
Who gives a fuck what SJWs think about nerds. They're landwhales and cucks, they've already removed themselves from the genepool.
>>
Holy fuck this cover is awesome. Is it a legit variant or just commission?
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>>71215975

And who gives a fuck about what you idiots think? Because you have such valuable NEET genes to pass on. Is being a fuckboy a genetic defect or just a calling in life?
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>>71215898
You see, I really don't care what creeps vilifying sexual expression think.
You can like sexy things or not like them. Find them appropriate or inappropriate for any given situation.
You can say you don't like how a character is portrayed. But smearing entire genres without rhyme or reason is just bizarre.
How dare you portray attractive characters in suggestive poses!? Waaaah!
How dare you make your protagonist a goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus!?

As friend Anita showed us last week, what they want is non-representation of anything.
They want no story, no artistic decision, just blank space to project on.
Which is only logical. If your aim to to have everyone to have no possible way of feeling underrepresented, the moment you show anything a person identifies with (relationships, social behavior, character motivation, race, gender), everyone not associating themself with that will obviously feel unrepresented.
Therefore a barely human shape will do until someone starts taking otherkin seriously.
>>
This was also drawn by a female on DA and no negative comments no negative nothing.
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>>71216579
I'm really hoping someone is forward this shit to Rodriguez
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>>71208949
Black Cat get's powers that would actually help any thief become a better thief but has never realized how much she relied on her luck powers in breaking in to places and avoiding cops.

Gwen is far to timid and guilt ridden over her part in Peters death to see the bad luck she spreads to others as anything but a curse and hesitates to seek help from anyone else out of fear of what might happen to them.
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>>71216356
Did your handler help you type that out, spergo? I'm happily married and don't give a fuck what some cuck thinks about "my-sore-gina privledge" or whatever. Cry about it
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>>71216579
>>71216245
Variant.
She also neglects she's not really anybody in the industry.
She's a pro but she's very new and hasn't been on anything big so it's not surprising she didn't get harassed by a bunch of SJWs.
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>>71216356
you sure seem to quite obviously :^)
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The girl in this photo is 17 and she drew this cover for herself.

SHE DONT GIVE A FUCK
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>>71216875
They'll probably just call her edgy and emo
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>>71216875
>Gwen
>With Hobgoblin
Fake ass bitch.
>>71216698
Shit, stupid.
I mean commission.
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>>71216875
>Hobgoblin
>not Green Goblin
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>>71216875
wrong goblin
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>>71210416
Nina The Barricade Girl
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>>71216917
>>71216933
>>71216948
>>71217063
Yes, okay but the point is she's not offended and she's a female so according to all the people who got the variant pulled she should be very offended.
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>>71217349
Internalized misogyny
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>>71215898
>>71216356
Someone call the trigger police!
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>>71201357
Huh. She seems cool. And she's pretty good. I'd say that's a winner
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>>71214521
>sale
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>>71216579
>>71216698
>>71216875
Somebody tweet this shit and watch the hypocrisy sizzle.
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>>71220615
It's pretty much over isn't it?
And everyone who wanted to think what they wanted to think is already thinking what they want.
I'd say move on but no one can seem to do that until it's REEEEEEALLY overstayed its welcome.
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>>71220615
Actually there have been many females, including some in the industry for awhile, who are on Cho's side. They get blocked immediately from the guys trying to protect them from themselves.
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>>71220714
>Some in the industry
Who?
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>>71220778
Joyce Chin was pretty vocal about it on Liefield's post
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>>71220876
Got a cap or something?
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>>71215975
Fuck you are fuck your bullshit infection of a comic board dedicated to the appreciation of the craft into your bullshit excuse to rant about "those guys" who you dont like.

Fuck you, die in a fire you are a cancer on /co/ and this fandom and you represent the antithesis to everything this site is about.

You dont care about comics, you just want to fucking talk about and rage on your enemies in the massive comicsalliance/themarysue/gawker/sjw/twiiter/tumblr hive. Fuck actuallyd iscussingw orks ont here merits, no it's all minorities this, and feminists that and sjw this; fuck actually assessing content on it's own merit "Oh this article comes from [insert enemy site here]" well fuck you if it's information I want, I'll read it all right, as long as it's not from THE EMENEMY.

You are using an artform as an excuse to act out petty tribal feuds, you are a blight upon this site and if the mods had any sense they would purge you and your filth from this site for all time
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>>71205054
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>>71214521
So is female objectification an issue because you suck cocks? I just don't get why it'd matter. In any case you are certainly handsome.
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>>71206518
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>>71206518
You have never watched Free!, have you?
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>>71221189
>You are using an artform as an excuse to act out petty tribal feuds

They are the ones doing that. All we're doing is calling them out on their stupid shit.
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>>71222239
Its copypasta, m8.
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>>71221189
I FUCKING LOVE PASTA IN THE MORNING.
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>>71221189
>>You are using an artform as an excuse to act out petty tribal feuds

hey look, it's literally the entire history of art

congratulations on noticing the Iliad, bro
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>>71215898

You confirm every stereotype "dumb nerds" have of SJWs
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>>71206910
>Hero that prevents rape makes it made of rape

Wow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJlkMAZTEPI
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>>71217349

So she's the Queen of All Girls & Women, and can speak for all of them?
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>>71201748
You do know that the two guys that are being compared are wearing different clothes right? And that's not even the point of the image.
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>>71221992
What's the context of this one anyway? Like Arnold being naked in Terminator doesn't make me think "oh this is just sexualization".
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>>71216875
>>71202074
Now these are real women, not irrational shitbag retarded hypcrites like the ones condemning sexuality.
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>>71225606
>condemning sexuality and violence.

I mean.
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>>71225606
Why? I disagree with them but the whole "this is a real woman" mentality is pretty bullshit. Besides one drew Hobgoblin with Gwen
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>>71225606
You also mean "hypocrites". Now why is anyone who voices an opinion regarding tastefulness in an industry that's trying to court them through tastefulness a hypocrite?
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>>71225810
Period needs to be in quotations.

And they're hypocrites because they eat up all the other violence, sexuality and garbage that men are subjected to with smiles.
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>>71225893
>Period needs to be in quotations.
Thought it's only when you're quoting someone.

>And they're hypocrites because they eat up all the other violence, sexuality and garbage that men are subjected to with smiles.
You're assuming a lot.
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>>71225810
Standards of tastefulness seem pretty arbitrary.
An artist creates a sketch on his own time some how became a big fucking deal.
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>>71225976
>Thought it's only when you're quoting someone.
Nope.
>You're assuming a lot.
Nope, I highly doubt they condemn the vast majority of fiction they claim to be fans of. You can look on all their blogs and see it, this argument is moot and you have no ground.

People exist to be toys and playthings in fiction. Many more men have been brutalized throughout fiction than women ever will be and the corrupted worldview of women being "special" when they are not has allowed this sick interpretation of anything negative happening to women as some sort of super-crime against humanity is absurd.

Go rant about how Star Wars evil for blowing planets or something.
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>>71226100
Star Wars teaches us that it's okay to destroy planets, it trivializes the destruction of Earth, our most vital resource!

STAR WARS IS EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>71210416
The irony is that the 08 run of Power Girl fits that description.
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>>71226100
This is all sad and true. There's no blog posts for all the covers where men are completely disgraced or destroyed and how horrible it is...because people understood it was a story and what was happening was for drama and entertainment.t
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>>71226012
It was a big deal because it seemed like a passive aggressive move, though Cho's intentions will be unknown. Doubling down makes it look like he's doing it out of spite.
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>>71226241
To be fair those typically had something to do with the comics and weren't just variants.
Except the ones that weren't.
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>>71201778
>>71203529
Considering who the artist of these is, Robbi is very lucky
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>>71226281
Why must it be some passive aggression? He said he had artist's block and hadn't drawn in a while.
So he drew a Spider-woman who was blowing up at the moment in the Manara pose.
The Harley Quinn one was definitely making fun of the outrage though.
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>>71226294
>To be fair those typically had something to do with the comics
>typically
Covers have been bullshit for decades and you know it. They're just eye catches, nothing more.

Joker holding a wounded Batgirl was a great eyecatch, period.
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>>71226100
Fictional destruction is means to an end while sexualization of fictional characters hardly serves any purpose beyond eye candy. It's almost like if a movie were to have only violence it'd be an action flick and if it only had sexiness it'd be a porno. It also sets a tone for the work, and it's often appropriate as these comics used to be for a demographic that appreciates hot chicks striking hot poses. It would be more of a non-issue if DC and Marvel weren't trying to change their image while going more mainstream.
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>>71226575
>hardly serves any purpose beyond eye candy
The point is they are all candy at every point of their trivial existence. They exist to be toys and entertain us, it doesn't really matter how.

It's only poisoned cultural views that actually relegate notions of what is just or evil to fiction and claim it's promoting or making political statements that is ludicrous. Regardless of ANY possibility of such things happening you're supposed to be intelligent enough to discern it from reality.

Every time anyone condemns or wishes to censor something in comics they are insulting you, period.
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>>71226390
The fact that he made the Harley one can be used to confirm suspicions that he did the first one fully aware of what people would say. Some call it self-censorship, others call it consideration. He doesn't have to be considerate of those who don't like the sexy variant, but they don't have to be considerate to him. I just think that he could have defended his position better.
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>>71226696
You're ignoring the degrees of all the elements that could go into a work of fiction. It's not simple.
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>>71226575
>Sexualization hardly serves any purpose beyond eye candy
What if sexuality is an important part of the character or story.
If we're judging it solely by the single cover, the action is just as much eye candy as the sexuality since there's no story going on.
Sexualization can also go into setting tone, characterization, countless aspects of the story.
And why is it for comics to "grow up" they must do away with sexuality while most all other mediums can wear their's proudly.
DC and Marvel are free to do whatever they want but to do away with sexuality would be a mistake. And Cho himself has nothing to do with that, this just seems more like trying to shame everyone into being on their "best behavior" and draw stuff that doesn't offend them.
>>71226742
His remark seemed to be he didn't consider anyone would care. The fact he made the Harley can confirm suspicions he doesn't respect the outrage but not that he was baiting it in the first place.
>>71226807
Aren't you kind of doing the same?
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>>71226696
>Every time anyone condemns or wishes to censor something in comics they are insulting you, period.
That's not true though; condemning DC and Marvel for what they have done to the American comic industry is constructive. Someone saying "I don't like this, but I would if you changed this or that" can be seen as constructive criticism as the big two would love to know what they can do to get more people to give them money. You're internalizing this too much.
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>>71226742
>consideration
Why would he have to consider some random people that he wasn't drawing for?

If everyone avoided making things somebody might not like, nothing would ever be made.
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>>71226932
But is this criticizing that? Aren't they still doing the same thing? They first inadvertently made comics a kid's thing with the Code Authority, and eventually spun gold out of that shit and it wasn't until a few decades later they could make comics adult again but still strictly a cape game which it still is and only are there a few comics that could be considered even close to competing on the same stage.
They don't seem to be criticizing the big 2 in a way that shits on the fact they're more or less holding the American Industry hostage and then whatever they're marketing to becomes the norm of comics but just trying to control what they do.
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>>71226012
Rodriguez was also trying to throw J. Scott Campbell under the bus for his Spider-Gwen variants in an Outhousers article. He just randomly tacks on that, "But once they see works like the Cho sketch cover or the J.Scott covers, it puts the medium back in the basement-troll stereotype zone."

For the record, THESE are J. Scott Campbell covers he's referring to as being "tasteless".
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>>71226968
EMMMMPAAAAAAATHHHHHYYYYYYY!
>>71227110
Yeah that was a real dick move, they're nothing great but I don't get how that puts comics in the basement stereotype.
Is it because the super think waists? Are the butts too far out or something?
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>>71226807
It is simple. You can't take fiction seriously.

If Captain America were to say "I'm going to go kill all members of the KKK because it's the just thing to do!" the only people that would do that in real life are those that have severe mental issues. Comics are not meant to be taken as reality and should not be treated as such.

It IS that simple. What happens to comic characters is not some grand worldview or message to others. It is simply people being people indulging in their fantasies.

There is NOTHING wrong with fantasies. Doesn't matter if you enjoy killing people with machine guns, or running over them with a car and then beating them with a bat, or going through pipes stomping on a race of enslaved mushroom people that should be freed instead of murdered, or dressing someone up, or dressing somone down and raping them, or pretending you're the opposite gender, or robbing people of all their forks, or solving murders, or pretending you're an alien that gestates in human beings...etc and etc on and on

People around the world indulge in those things 24/7. Whether it is comics, movies or video games none of these things are what WE are. What we are is how we act to each other in the real world.

If any of the artists condemned for their art had actually kidnapped real people and forced them to take certain poses against their will then you could say something about them having reprehensible behavior. As of now all anyone is doing is just insulting humanity, its intelligence and attempting to murder culture.
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>>71201429
MODS! I have a boner. That is all.
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>>71226862
>What if sexuality is an important part of the character or story.
It can be. I didn't say it's always for eye candy.

>If we're judging it solely by the single cover, the action is just as much eye candy as the sexuality since there's no story going on.
But there's violence in the story. There's more than just hot people getting sexy at each other. I can't speak for every reader, but I'd read these comics for the action before I'd read them for the hotness.

>Sexualization can also go into setting tone, characterization, countless aspects of the story.
Yeah, I thought I covered that.

>And why is it for comics to "grow up" they must do away with sexuality while most all other mediums can wear their's proudly.
"Growing up" means getting "realer" as comics become movies. Questions like "Why is she wearing that while fighting?" are asked by a mainstream audience and these companies don't want to tell them that these comics aren't made for them.
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>>71227186
Ealier in the same article, he basically says that he stands by what he said about Cho's drawing because America isn't psychologically evolved enough to not take that image sexually. In my mind, this comes off as Rodriguez saying that he's too immature to see a woman posing as anything other than sexual, but tries to blame America being behind the times instead for his own mixed up views.
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>>71201643

You laugh, but I would welcome a comic climate where Nightwing is the standard for male characters.
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>>71225169
Hey, works for Anita.
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>>71208008
>you just hate Squirrel Girl because you can't jerk off to it!
See though this is the thing. People can jack off to ANYTHING(see: tileguy). But people aren't jacking off to this Squirrel Girl? Sounds like she has NOTHING TO HER is what they're complaining about.
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>>71227100
>But is this criticizing that?
Is what criticizing what?
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>>71227110
>those covers
>tasteless
holy fuck, is he literally a Muslim that this isn't desexualized enough for him?
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>>71207838

That fucking face.
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>>71227288
And what if the comic does involve the characters being sexy at eachother? It'll probably have action but there's sexiness too.
>Getting Realer
Not a huge fan of that, I'd miss the flamboyancy of superheroes.
>>71227383
This Cho controversy.
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>>71226862
>Aren't you kind of doing the same?
How so? I'm not comparing sexualizing characters to blowing up planets. There's a difference in degrees of sexualization between the genders and that makes sense considering the largely male readership. That's not to say that men are never sexualized in comics.
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>>71226932
>condemning DC and Marvel for what they have done to the American comic industry is constructive. Someone saying "I don't like this, but I would if you changed this or that" can be seen as constructive criticism
Their criticism isn't valid, it's based off a poisoned view of women being inherently special and better than men, that they should not be subjected to the same FICTIONAL situations as men are in this material.

People should be brutalized and experience horrible tragedy in fiction because it's entertaining. We already know they do plenty of heroic things as well. And sexuality? Sex is responsible for everyone here being alive, pretty sure sexuality isn't evil despite what certain crazy people like to think.

The market shouldn't change to fit people that damaged worldviews, the people with damaged worldviews should be educated.
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>>71201211
>Yet another tumblr thread
>400 posts 200 images
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>>71227337
>but tries to blame America being behind the times instead for his own mixed up views.

I kinda loved that part

>I-I-I-I love Manara's work...b-b-but its America's fault I have to find it tasteless!

Nigga plz.
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>>71227478
>And what if the comic does involve the characters being sexy at eachother? It'll probably have action but there's sexiness too.
It doesn't sound like a very good Marvel or DC comic, but I'm sure it'll find an audience. The initial outrage about the Manara variant cover was that it was for a series that was trying to appeal to female readers as well as males. There was a larger conversation beyond "I don't like this because it's sexy." Of course the conversation goes in many ridiculous directions.

On the topic of getting realer: I didn't miss the old X-Men outfits when I saw the movie, but I can understand where you're coming from. I don't think it should all be thrown out, but these companies like keeping their comics like their movies. It's why One More Day happened.
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>>71227186
>EMMMMPAAAAAAATHHHHHYYYYYY
But he's not hurting them. If they are hurt by the mere existence of sexy things, then they're doomed.
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>>71227699
>The initial outrage about the Manara variant cover was that it was for a series that was trying to appeal to female readers as well as males

And female readers can't enjoy Manara's art?
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>>71227494
It's valid because it's true to a degree: Women have been more overtly sexualized than men in these comics. Yes, there are feminists who go crazy with this fact.

>And sexuality? Sex is responsible for everyone here being alive, pretty sure sexuality isn't evil despite what certain crazy people like to think.
I can't speak for feminists, but I don't think sexuality being evil is the issue here. Maybe for a few crazies. It's just weird that you throw this into your reasoning.
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>>71227812
>Women have been more overtly sexualized than men in these comics

Well considering the primary readership...
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>>71216698
maybe toss your salad.
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Are they trying to get the Comics Code Authority reinstated?

this pro-censorship talk concerns/irks me
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>>71227804
I was trying so hard to avoid hitting this speed bump in this conversation. Yes, female readers can enjoy Manara's art. I brought gender into this because Spider-Woman is a female lead and Marvel has been trying to get more female readers. And yes, I think males can enjoy Spider-Woman too.
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>>71227861
Yes and that's okay.
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>>71227864
No, these comics have always been highly marketed products.
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>>71227521
>>Yet another tumblr thread
>>400 posts 200 images

This is basically our life now. Half of /co/ IS Tumblr, and the other half is desperately trying to resist the seeping invasion, so every topic with even a hint of "social issue" is going to turn into a shit-flinging back-and-forth.

And topics like this are going to keep getting made until one side or the other eventually gets fed up and leaves.
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>>71227997
I used to think that tumblr was figurative, but now it's a literal invasion?
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>>71201691
Mystery Solved. When a lady does it, it's empowering.

Despite the fact that this is far more unnecessarily sexual than was Cho's. She's literally in her underoos.
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>>71227864
Nobody reads comics anymore but obsessive nerds so soccer moms no longer care like they did when their kids were reading them. Now it's only obsessive nerds arguing with other obsessive nerds.
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>>71228033
Is that the official cover?
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>>71227699
>It's why One More Day happened.

No, One More Day happened because Quesada wanted Spider-Man unmarried, but didn't want him divorced or widowed.

I do agree that comics do (and always will) try to mimic the movies' superficial details if those movies succeed, though. Both companies at this point are watching the market for their product slowly trickle away, and are desperately looking for ways to bring in new readers.

The fact that they have their heads up their asses and seem to alienate more existing readers than they ever manage to bring in is unfortunate, but at least the attempt is understandable.
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>>71205630
The Hawkeye Initiative was pretty much the last playful approach to stereotypes in media. People just poked fun at how crazy comic lady poses would be on men and everyone had a good laugh, tumblr and /co/ alike.

I miss those good times.
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>>71227270
Was I meant to read this in Guru's voice?
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>>71217701

I'll tell you what: I'll dump all four of her pertinent issues tomorrow.
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>>71228066
It's a Variant.
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>>71227910
>I was trying so hard to avoid hitting this speed bump in this conversation. Yes, female readers can enjoy Manara's art. I brought gender into this because Spider-Woman is a female lead and Marvel has been trying to get more female readers. And yes, I think males can enjoy Spider-Woman too.

The problem is, it was a VARIANT cover. Meaning female readers who found the image uncomfortable or off-putting didn't actually have to buy it.

For that matter, due to the more limited nature of variant covers, most people would have to go out of their way to even know it existed in the first place, if not for the fact that we live in an era of manufactured outrage where everyone had to Tweet at everyone else how horrified they were by its very existence.
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>>71228081
I don't really think it was playful. It was just as bitter and spiteful; it's just that it was unintentionally funny because of how over the top and off the mark they were about it.

Especially once they started using Spider-Girl poses and going "It looks weird if men do this!"
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>>71227910
>And yes, I think males can enjoy Spider-Woman too.

Counter-point: No one can enjoy Spider-Woman.
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>>71228081
I dunno, I remember /co/ being butthurt about it.
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>>71227812
Women have been sexualized because women are intense figures of sexuality to men, INHERENTLY, not because of culture or programming. Men are the driving force of sexual contact and have been for many, many millennia due to their biology. The male brain being more preoccupied with sex than the female brain isn't a myth, men are the natural initiators and the ones that experience the urge far more of our two sexes. They're the one that have been given the vast majority of the responsibility when it comes to populating the race.

The fact men will always fantasize about women and wish to see those fulfilling certain biological signals displaying health (fat deposits on breasts, buttocks, fitness etc) is normal due to the biology.

Men will sexualize women but it's not evil, and they aren't wrong to satisfy themselves. No woman is meant to be insulted by it, they are merely pleasing themselves. Men and women should be treated as the toys they are in fiction, it's perfectly healthy.

I would personally like to see Hercules get a new comic with him topless and wrestling guys while oiled up and displaying his sexual prowess inbetween choking the heads off dragons/gods but I never once have been condemned for this by ANYONE my entire life whenever I've mentioned my sexual fantasies and wishes for media.

While men are constantly condemned for comments or fantasies when all they're doing is communicating their pleasure and happiness.
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>>71210416
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>>71228081
No, it was pretty vitriolic on Tumblr's part. The /co/ mockeries of the HI were humorous.
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>>71228081
It's fun, but just saying that these comic lady poses are silly means people get to make all sorts of assumptions about you.
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>>71228185
I think we were butthurt about how shit the art was
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>>71210416
Moetron
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>>71227399
I know, right? The first one's pretty cute, in my opinion.
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Whatever to #IamComics

Did the realize how retarded that was?
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>>71228238
Partially but mostly I remembered bitching it was misreprentative
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>>71228190
>Men will sexualize women but it's not evil, and they aren't wrong to satisfy themselves.
I'm not saying it's evil. Is this copy and pasted from somewhere?

>While men are constantly condemned for comments or fantasies when all they're doing is communicating their pleasure and happiness.
It's funny, I had to stop and think, "Where is this happening?" but then I had to back up and think, "Where do people make comments about fantasies?" and I thought tumblr. Maybe it just doesn't happen in the parts of tumblr I visit.
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>>71228190
I'm afraid you're too educated and rational a woman, you're going to have to leave
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>>71228208
>No, it was pretty vitriolic on Tumblr's part.
How is this vitriolic? The tumblr nose is triggering, I can understand that.
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>>71228410
Mostly because the Hawkeye Initiative pretty much banks on homophobia to make its point.
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>>71228410
I'm being triggered by the shitty art, is that their point behind this?
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>>71228410
I think he means the whole "take THAT" mentality behind it.

Also, what is with tumblr artists drawing noses like deformed feet?
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>>71228375
>It's funny, I had to stop and think, "Where is this happening?"
It happens on /co/, we have a lot of sensible people but it happens here not to mention tumblr/reddit/twitter where it happens in greater force which due to a considerably larger audience
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>>71228470
>tumblr artists
>drawing noses
>deformed feet
You guys... what if tumblr is Liefeld?
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>>71228410
The whole shtick is based on homophobia and inventing sexual complexes for traditional comic book fans.

Even then, I don't really have a problem with it. Making silly pictures is fine with me. Where I throw down is when they start trying to take down people's work.
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>>71228450
Are you implying that people can't think it's fun or maybe even cute?
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>>71208901
You realize that Superman is not the one who comes off as a cunt in that comic, right? That comic is making fun of Frank Millar's hatred of Superman.
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>>71228410
But Cloak and Dagger are lovers...where as Hawkeye and Hulk are not...(I hope, he would not survive)
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its the absolutist rhetoric and bully tactics that really piss me off the most.
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>>71228512
I dunno, have you seen EMH? They were a little TOO close if you know what I'm saying
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>>71228512
Are they I thought the lover angle was recent
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>>71228508
>That comic is making fun of Frank Millar's hatred of Superman.

Was it? I thought Cho was pretty clear cut on it being a chance to draw Superman getting the shit beat out of him.
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>>71210416

Batwoman.

Bitch.
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>>71228574
Superman is getting the crap beaten out of him, but at least he doesn't sound like an edgy fucker.
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>>71228470
>>71228494
But having fun with how the booty always seems to be out and pointing to the camera using Hawkeye is entertaining. Isn't it strange that it happens a lot? I'm not even a feminist, I just think that trends like that and the whole "blue and orange movie poster" thing are interesting.
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>>71210416
Death, Delirium and Despair
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>>71228488
How can it happen on /co/? Our genders are secret.
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>>71228654
Blue and orange are simple contrast
Butt is cheap sex appeal.....or is it?
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>>71228743
I'm not saying that it only happens to women.
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>>71201430
I can't read her last name

What is it?
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>>71228898
Witter
http://www.ashleywitter.com/main.html
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>>71201211
>Referencing a dated and old song by a washed up artist.
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>>71210416
Liz Sherman
Mina Harker
Antimony Carver
Every female runaway
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>>71228810
I know
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>>71228984
The most offensive thing about this pose is his leg. What's going on there?
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>>71229059
I think it's a perspective thing, but the colourist fucked it up
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>>71208901
>Batman beating the shit out of Supes

YES.png
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>>71209458
>wanting to have a Squirrel girl comic because I like the character
>can't stand it because of the atrocius drawing.

For fuck's sake. HOw this piece of shit can work for Marvel? It's on the same level of Lifeield's Captain America.
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>>71230747
The author's response to the criticisms laid against her is that the only people complaining are sexists who want her to look like a pornstar.

Apparently, you have to look like a Fetal Alcohol Victim to avoid objectification.

I wish I had those edits an anon did where he fixed the downs syndrome face and made her look like a normal, and still plain, human being.

I'd twitter that to this SJW's twitter so hard.
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>>71230747
It's really not even close to as bad as Liefeld on several levels.
>One
Can draw feet and has 5/10 anatomy
>Two
Crisp Paneling
>three
good backgrounds

Honestly the only thing that's "kill it with fire" tier is the faces the rest is just mediocre art no worse than half the house style types marvel and DC use
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>>71230993

>Crisp Paneling
Nigga, the paneling is awful. There was literally a page where the panels was a mirrored building which made a huge double arrow down the middle of the page, taking the eye away from the action. it's awful.

>good backgrounds
What? The backgrounds are simplistic as fuck, and not in a minimalist way. In a simpleton way. They're bland at best, uninspired in truth.
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>>71216671
Nothing says gangsta' like having $2 handy.
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>>71201265
I think those are supposed to be her costume kicks
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>>71228081
>women pose feminine and men pose masculine
MY GOD. THE SEXISM AND HORROR.
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>>71230959
>The author's response to the criticisms laid against her is that the only people complaining are sexists who want her to look like a pornstar.

Does the "Don't like it, you're just a sexist/racist/homophobe/buzzword" deffence even work anymore? People have overused it so much that these words have lost all meaning

>>71210416
Christ, you have never picked up a comic inyour life, have you?
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>>71214301
Never skip arm day, bro.
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>>71231141
>Does the "Don't like it, you're just a sexist/racist/homophobe/buzzword" deffence even work anymore?
It never mattered to people who knew any better, but so many idiots are so eager to please these people that they go along with it.

Nobody wants to be labelled as a racist, even if it's by idiots. That's what gives the SJW, which is basically just /pol/: Leftist version, power.
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>>71210416
The best thing about tumblr visiting is it's always really fucking obvious. They have no clue how to be subtle. It's hilarious.
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>>71231188
>Nobody wants to be labelled as a racist, even if it's by idiots.

Although I think (or at least HOPE) that people are catching on to that. Basically the whole population which doesn't identify as a 3rd wave feminist is a "mysoginist" to these people.
[/spoiler] And when everyone is a mysoginist, nobody will be [/spoiler]
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>>71231242
Woops, fucked up those spoilers
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>>71231242
>Although I think (or at least HOPE) that people are catching on to that
You'd think that, but there are still people on 4chan who don't know Ctrl+S. People are slow to learn.
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>>71231188
I had a funny thought experiment that I'd like to see posed to one of those people:

A rich, affluent, educated white woman accuses a poor, impoverished, and uneducated black man of rape. The black man professes his innocence. Both have evidence supporting their claims Who do you believe?

If they answer "the white woman" then they're racist. If they answer "the black man" they're sexist. And no matter how they answer, they're classist!
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>>71231403
It fails because the rape would be blamed on White Men who have created a society where Black men are basically forced to commit violent crimes.

The option is always D, and D is always Straight White Men.

Sometimes, in the case of successful Black Men, it's just straight men.
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>>71231438
Saddest par is that there was this white middle-class woman who went somewhere in africa, got raped by an African man, and blamed it on the European colonials.
This is the level of delusion we're dealing with here
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>>71207838
I don't give a fuck if she's fat or not, I don't mind stylised stuff (love me some tim sale) but this shit is fucking lazy, inconsistent and downright horrible. Her fucking face defies any possible logic and sense, it's not even a derp-face, this is just horrible, lazy, ugly art. Also - ugly, chubby girl as main character, black gou getting robbed - how mouch more obnoxiously politically correct can you get, jesus
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>>71228470

>tumblr nose

It's a medical condition called rosacea which Tumblr artists like to give their characters. In the early stages it manifests itself as a pronounced redness around the nose and cheeks, and in later stages the nose becomes large, bulbous and deformed. It's frequently associated with severe alcoholism.
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>>71231545
>I don't mind stylised stuff

Speaking of which, I hate it when people use the "You just don't like it because it's not House Style" excuse when people criticize this garbage.
The VAST MAJORITY of comics in my shelf aren't drawn in typical Marvel House style; hell, I even like chubby girls. This Squirrel-Girl is just repulsive in every way, it's last saving grace was that at least she wore makeup, but that was removed after the preview because I guess the artist was too lazy to add one extra color to the character
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>>71231609
Ironically enough, that's probably where the cartoony potato nose also come from.
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>>71227110
Those are some weird faces that don't fit Gwen's character at all. Like creepy doll faces
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