Why was the latest episode of Adventure Time so stupid? Why

>>63710257

Because the staff is nothing but hipsters.

The message was pretty easy to get, you can't force people to change no matter how much you love them. Even the last episode was more abstract than this episode due to the trials shelby's brother faced about greed. If anything this is one of the most down to earth episodes of this season due to the lack of surrealism and large use of character dialog.

>>63710376
Literally who gives a fuck about the message? It's not a confusing or insightful message.

>>63710448
i watch adventure time for the messages, i live my life by the directions of cartoons

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Let's talk about the elephant in the room.

>>63710488
how has that worked out for you

>>63710448
I'd say its a pretty insightful message because its not uncommon for people to try to "fix" people who will never change.

>>63710550
Loved hearing tina and louise side by side in tjis.

I liked this episode, and I haven't really liked many this season. I guess I can relate to the idea of people doing hurtful things because they love you.

>>63710550
It didn't sound like Viola was voiced by the dude who does Linda and that was vaguely disappointing.

>>63710640
it's better than letting the possibility of someone you care about fuck up there life

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>>63710550

I sort of wish we had more of them

episode was alright, but kind of meandering

I think I would've been more pleased if they found a new dungeon and got dosh that way

or something

I dunno, I wasn't very pleased, plus it made me think Kim Kil Wan was a fag

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>>63710807
>implying you have any control over how other people live their lives
>implying that trying to change someone's personality or behavior is highly improbable
>implying you won't respond with "it's worth a shot"

depends on the person, I guess

>>63710257
It went from a cutesy show about adventure to waifu pandering to 2deep5u advant garde art shit.

>>63710962
I can sense in John DiMaggio's voice he doesn't really care about the show anymore, he's just sticking with for the m-m-m-money.

This show sucked the minute Finn got his arm back

And then it hit rock bottom with the Breezy bee episode

The only worthwhile episode this season was the guest one, the rest of it's been fucking trash, this show's dead as fuck, end it or actually do something with your plots/characters for once

>>63711137
>This show sucked the minute Finn got his arm back

>And then it hit rock bottom with the Breezy bee episode

Those were the same episode, but yeah I agree.

>>63711049
I can tell he stopped caring through the waifu pandering when he realized how shit the fanbase turned into.

>>63711137
Should've ended gracefully after the first Lich special

>>63710376

The obvious issue is that it's obviously done from the art schooly childish perspective of someone who doesn't want to "grow up" and it's meant to be immediately clear that Jake's son is a bad guy here.

I mean he's obviously supposed to have his own life and wants and needs, but his character was reduced to a bunch of flat gags. His wife and home show up in the last thirty seconds or so and he's never established as talking to his father or having character based around his own brief childhood.

It feels less like an actual episode and more about the writers working through their own daddy issues and worrying about being taken seriously.

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>>63711137
There's an upcoming episode about the origins of the Ice Crown, so there's that backstory being touched on. Also, those two things you mentioned happened in the same episode.

>>63711137
>>63711213
>The show no longer appeals to me, they should end it
>IF I CAN'T ENJOY IT, NOBODY SHOULD
what the fuck, fags?

>>63711049
No you can't. Voice actors are well used to not giving a shit and still giving a great performance.

>>63711274
Its all opinion I suppose but you can eat shit if you want. I stopped watching last season and caught the Finn's dad episode out of curiosity and was let down in the end.

I don't like watching something I genuinely enjoyed turn into shit.

And Flapjack ended for this so fuck you.

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>>63711271
>origins of the Ice Crown

mite b kool

it better be some kind of ridiculous shit

like, some kind of ice magic dude freaking out that magic is disappearing from the world, and he's all "fuck that" and crafts the crown to escape fate

>>63711274
Also I might add I wish they would've just explained what happened to the world and kept doing Marceline/Simon episodes because those were the best ones post-Lich but instead we get Ross-Rachel tier shit with Finn and Fire Princess and forgettable artsy fartsy shit laced in twee jokes.

>>63711477
It actually about a wizard of ice trying to create a crown that will grant the first wearer's wish to stop a comet from ending all life on the planet.

>>63711388
>Implying Flapjack wasn't terrible

>>63711588
It was better than modern Pandering Time.

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I still mostly dig the show

the latest episode wasn't that great, the message was solid but the execution was kinda lacking I thought

I dunno

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predictions for Marceline/LSP episode?

>LSP convinces Marceline to teach her how to prank
>shenanigans ensue
>LSP lets slip that she deflowered finn
>Marceline gets jealous and shit

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>a shitty ~deep~ artsy crap show?

Adventure Time isn't notable for its world or its humor or its characters. It's notable as a platform for talented cartoonists to tell their stories to a mass audience.

This is a show that has given creative carte blanch to the likes of David O Reilly, Graham Falk, Masaaki Yuasa, and Michael Deforge. And it's given careers to cartoonists like Jesse Moynihan, Tom Herpich, Steve Wolfhard, Rebecca Sugar, Natasha Allegri, Seo Kim, and, most recently, Madeline Flores, among others.

All of these people are creators in their own right. They all make their own comics or animations or whatever.

It's then important to view the show not as something with proper continuity. Don't form your opinion on each story based on your head canon or how the characters interact or what the general trajectory of the show is- all of that is basically set dressing for artists to tell their own stories.

Taking the show on an episode-by-episode basis, and in the context of the episode's story boarders, is incredibly important. Herpich and Wolfhard did Ocarina, for instance, and it's exactly the sort of story you'd see in one of their comics, (pic related.)

What I'm saying is this: Adventure Time has ALWAYS been a "~deep~ artsy show." It's a show that's narrative is dictated by a broad team of independently functioning cartoonists, not by commercial whims or editorial mandates from on-high. The show embraces free-form approaches to story telling in its world, which is where strange, unrelated one-offs, like last weeks "Little Brother" or last seasons Lemonhope two-parter, come from.

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>>63711718

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>>63711726
>implying anybody's gonna read all that garbage

I like the show, but goddamn

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>>63711726
This is what CalArts faggots actually believe!

>Why was the latest episode of Adventure Time so stupid?
What makes it different from every other episode then?

>>63711726
I really want Madeline Flores to board a Finn episode. Kent was the hero Finn wishes to be.

>>63711726
It's like by pretentious people for when it decides to be pretentious. Got it.

I don't even like the cartoon but if some kid like it just for the dumb silly parts then fine, it's a good kids show. Nothing that special.

>>WAH WAH Adventure Time is bad now
>>It is not about Adventure anymore
>>This is a new development and not something morons have been complaining about since the second god damned season

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>>63711888

you could say it's too much artsy not enough farsty

>>63711250
>and he's never established as talking to his father or having character based around his own brief childhood.

They said, word for word, that they'd only met him twice before this ep.

Lighten the hell up, Anon.

This was a good episode, proof my opinion wrong.

/co/'s problem with Adventure Time is expectations. It's an experimental cartoon, and for kids, not some legacy franchise with a reputation to defend.

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>>63710257
this

I watched some of the earlier episodes, about when Finn met marceline, and when finn was afraid of the ocean

they seemed to have a much more "ADVENTURE IS COOL N SHIT" vibe than most of the new episodes do

this episode was dull as fuck, finn could've easily just gone and beat up some baddies, and got the treasure for Wwk to get their house back, and then at the end have jake give WWk the ocarina as a gift, after WWk refused the treasure and stuff.

the message could've been the same, but it was so boring how they conveyed it.

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>>63712026
>proof my opinion wrong
>proof, my opinion's wrong

every episode is bad

>>63712088
If that happened, people would start complaining regardless.

>waah they always solve all their problems with dungeons and baddies
>they're not being original
>it's starting to be a formulaic cash cow

i liked the shoehorned thing about big mean people and weak people and how it was far too loose a message/story for what was going on with jake and his son

>>63711726
>Adventure Time isn't notable for its world or its humor or its characters.

It's not anymore that's for sure.

>>63712047
I watched it since the very first episode to the third season. It just got worse and worse, calling it "Experimental" is a shit excuse, they blatantly pandered to the loudest part of the fanbase for a long time "kids cartoon" or not.

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>>63712165

what happened to fun

I feel sad now

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>>63711726
>Adventure Time isn't notable for its world or its humor or its characters

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>>63711726
>Adventure Time isn't notable for its world or its humor or its characters.

>>63712241
If you want to have fun, stay away from the internet. You had fun watching cartoons when you were little because you didn't go to a board filled with bitter young adults who dissected them frame by frame after watching. Ignorance is bliss.

Shut up. The past two episodes were amazing.

why do so many people feel the need to bitch about AT? because a lot of people like it?

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>>63712390

probably

or because it doesn't conform to their personal standards of what's "proper"

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I like that they tackle friendship and vengeance as themes, sometimes

those are the best themes

>>63712390
liked*
That's why.

>>63712353
>implying

most of the reaosn why adventure time sucks, is because its a platform for shitty calarts students to practice on

I actually think the majority of /co/ regulars have good taste in cartoons.

its not my fault your opinion is shit

Because Pen just stopped caring

he basically gets paid to play video games now

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I should just go to bed

>>63712451
what changed? less core stories about adventurin' and more focus on other characters/history of the world?

>>63712457
My post had nothing to do with Adventure Time, it was about finding fun in general. If you want to enjoy sausages, don't find out how they're made.

One of the only things more pathetic than the current Adventure Time is Adventure Time's cancerous fanboys who try to stop other people from saying bad things about the show.

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>>63712507

you talk like a bitch and your shit's all retarded

Do kids even still watch this show

I imagine they'd not know what the fuck is going on

I liked the episode It was interesting for me that the mouse stopped the tree from blooming

>>63712422
Says the faggot posting lesbian shit

>>63712498
>less core stories about adventurin' and more focus on who Finn will date and what nonsensical Lemongrab/episodes where the outcome doesn't matter?
FTFY

I love the episodes about the history of Ooo and what happened to the world and even the alternate dimension Lich wish episodes but most other are too much about who Finn is dating even though the outcome never matters or some really "Artistic" shit where the outcome doesn't matter to the core plot.

I can see the AT threads never stopped being pool of faggotry of all kinds.

>>63712532
No more than old kids shows full of innuendo and adult humor.

>>63712639
I feel the first part but I think the occasional one-off episode (like the most recent one) can work really well

>>63712709
I agree about the occasional one off episode being fine but not when its back to back to back like it has been in the past.

It just takes the focus away from the core world and comes off like it was nothing to me.

>>63710257
You got plenty of episodes of the fun kid adventure show. The show moved on. If you don't like it, just move on from the show.

>>63712165
super retarded lolsorandom "2deep4" over indulgent art fest isnt a formulaic cash cow?

>>63712931
Every cartoon is made to be a cash cow, we're living in capitalism. lolsorandom by definition cannot be formulaic.

>>63712814
yeah. sometimes I wonder how seriously the writers take their own canon. giving finn his arm back after foreshadowing him loosing it for so long and doing it in an effective way felt cheap. decisions like that kind of baffle me. but for the most part I like the shows core characters and its general sense of humor so it has made the unimportant episodes enjoyable for me

>>63712931
I can't hear you through all the meaningless buzzwords. Are you sure you're a person?

i still enjoy adventure time, even the shitty episodes

need more marcy and way more simon . those two with finn and jake are the recipe for the best eps.

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Hmm Jake has a granddaughter

>>63710257
I miss the silly faces like the OP picture.

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AND THE CATS AND THE CRADLE AND THE SILVER SPOON

LITTLE BOY BLUE AND THE MAN AND THE MOON

Why haven't we had a proper Marceline episode this season?

>>63714239
We've never had a good Marceline episode since before It Came from the Nightosphere.

OH MARCELINE! WHY YOU SO MEAN!

>>63714239
No one cares about your dumb spoon.

>>63714167
I hope they touch on this.
Is jake going to outlive his puppies, or are his puppies going to outlive Ooo?

>>63710448
How old are you, man?

>>63710332
/thread

Nothing. Everybody knows what's going to happen after the "great war."

Money property and worth are temporary human concepts, created by manifested institutions. Once we break down the fake walls an barriers we've created and we all have to build back up from nothing, we'lll find money, work for profit, and monetary gain are purposeless.

>Kids resent Jake for not being with them
>When they all literally told him to fuck off one day after birth

Are they stupid? Do they think that they could form some kind of deep emotional bond from 1 day together?

>>63712130
No, money down!

>>63712531
the quote is "you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded" but what a good movie that was

Anyone have the Avery dl link?
I missed the primers today.

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>>63711726

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>still being anally devastated about AT's tone
It's been this way for a while, you guys know that right? Just stop watching if it bothers you so much

>>63710332
Pretty much this.

>>63715657
just look it up in the archive man
thats why the archive exists

>>63710332
It almost sounds like you guys want the staff to be boring, uncreative people ala Johnny Test or some shit

>>63710257
The real question is why haven't you dropped this show already?

>>63716341
Nah, I'll pass drudging through the archives becasue you can't do a simple thing.

Thanks for being useless yet again /a/. This is why no one likes you.

>>63716218
but anon With each new episode there is a chance that the episode will be enjoyable and an even smaller chance that the show will continue to be enjoyable. The only way we'll know is if we watch it

I'm very fond with this episode because it addressed a problem I had: Jake's other children

You know, the ones not voiced by Kristen Schaal.

It proved my thought about Jake as a father: He doesn't care about his other children.

>>63716716
Jake's stupid. This has been established since My Two Favorite People. He loves his kids, he's just dumb as a fucking rock and his children are adults/smart enough to be on their own

>>63716690
Then stop complaaaaaaaaining

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>>63712477
>analvore.gif

>>63716716
I don't think that's the right word for it. He cares he's just a manchild and a crappy dad who seems to think his fatherhood means being needed in obvious ways. He leapt into action for Jake Jr because she was in danger, the rest of the kids have their shit together for the most part/aren't in danger.
Jake cares about his kids but doesn't really know how to be a father without in your face physical problems like protecting childrearing or playing.

I just want them to go dungeon crawling and find cool shit. a marcie episode to spice things up, and bipolar bubblegum torturing some poor guy all beast mode, and then smiling and talking to finn all glee like.

whats the general consensus about the cosmic owl?

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>>63714912
Lemonhope outlives everyone, man.

>>63716884

Then he dies in his sleep, then the world dies.

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>Jake is a grandfather
>his granddaughter is 50% bear, 25% dog, and 25% rainicorn

Some serious race-mixing going on in Ooo these days.

I'm glad I have real life people to enjoy cartoons with. So many of you are bitter assholes.

>>63718232
Why are you even here?

>>63716870
>whats the general consensus about the cosmic owl?
Pointless, really

Doesn't play much of a role in the series

>>63718243

I don't even know.

Where the fuck is Martin? Is he dead or will they ever bring him back or what. It's so annoying...

>>63718428
Who's Martin

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>>63718898
He's the kid from Rick and Martin

>>63710257

This kind of post finally made me understand why most people on /co/ don't like AT anymore... this place is full of menchild, like absolutely full, so when the show tries something a bit, even slightly, more mature with a decent message they hate it.

The whole "good message" thing is something that kids shows should try more btw, kids learn more from T.V. than from their parents, sadly, and it's good to have a down to earth thing from time to time IMO.

>>63710807

>fuck up their life

Jake was happy as fuck until he come along, and to begin with he seems to REALLY hate capitalism, so I don't see the whole "fucking up your life" in what you said.

>>63712507

You know, it's more like a shit ton of people that go way to far to insult a show they really shouldn't care about that much.

If you don't like it, don't watch it. If you wanna be opinionated and go around saying how you know better, then do so, but don't start crying when people criticize you as well, this is a give and take thing, be a little more self aware.

>>63710257
>Why was the latest episode of Adventure Time so stupid?
>Why are they trying to turn it from a fun show about a kid on adventure with his dog into a shitty ~deep~ artsy crap show?
It's like you guys don't even remember how the first season of Adventure Time was.

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>>63710863
>implying you don't have any control over how other people live their lives

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>Marceline sold Finn and Jake's house for a musical instrument

Okay, they needed to write in a convenient excuse for losing the house, but that doesn't sit right. Marceline was only a callous vampire jerk initially, until she started hanging out with Finn and Jake. Also if you count Seeing Red as canon, she likes to only use her axe bass specifically, for sentimental reasons.

>>63710257
see, someone could make this post every week without even paying attention to the show or what just aired and there would still be people who agree with them. Every week. since like season 2. Every goddamn week.

>>63710257
HOLY SHIT, THE WORLD OF HYRULE IS OOO IN THE FAR FUTURE, CONFIRMED!

Since when was Marceline such a dick

>>63722507
since shitty, lazy adventure time writers

>The nose knows
Oy vey!

>>63710376
It was about how his dad realizing the orcania might not be worth much, be he actually already made back more than the value of the purchase from the initial rent fees and the gold bone that wouldn't be there in the first place if his son hadn't buried it when it his yard, and would have been accepted as payment if it was noted earlier. His dad might have blown his savings once, but he's possibly learned his lesson there, has a lucrative if unsteady job adventuring and knows how to sell. That's probably better than he initially gave Jake credit for.

>>63721535
nigga, most humanoid beings don't even have noses let alone pointy ears

>>63711137
For fuck sake, Something Big happened right after it, you deepshit.

Also Breezy WAS the the episode he got back his arm.

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>>63716870
>go dungeon crawling and find cool shit
Well, we had dungeon episode not long ago.
>a marcie episode to spice things up
I'm on it with you, I don't even remember when was her last episode. An episode about her past would even bettersince her present is filled wiith nothing but senile wizards, lesbian innuendo, lustful teenagers and daddy issues
I'd also like to see another episode featuring Finn's pation for violence. Maybe it could make him question how Mushroom War happened. Maybe it's a common human problem?

>>63720959
She sold the Finn and Jake's house to Jake's son.

It make sense she thought it was okay if the house remained in the familly. Was she supposed to know his son would pull some shit on his own father? Plus it was sweet rad guitar

>>63720959
>Marceline was only a callous vampire jerk initially, until she started hanging out with Finn and Jake.
I expect that comes and goes a bit. She only pranked Finn a bit outside of the house thing, so maybe being immortal and flying made her lose perspective of the value home ownership has to others since she can just find a new place to hang so easily.
>Also if you count Seeing Red as canon, she likes to only use her axe bass specifically, for sentimental reasons.
This makes more sense, though I imagine if it's an instrument she had her eye on longer than she used the axe bass she might make an exception.

Kind of surprised they didn't go to PB and ask to her declare imminent domain for her two strongest champions, but Finn and Jake don't understand law much less how to exploit it.

>>63723286
Forgot to add, one thing where Kim Kil Wan was being unreasonable was how he divided the house. He made no distinction between apartments and common areas, renting out the only means upstairs and making the bathroom a private residence.

>>63723718
We have also see her go to a music store and buy other instruments in one of the 5 garbles story. the axe guitar might be her favourite, but it isn't the sole one.

>>63723718
>Kind of surprised they didn't go to PB and ask to her declare imminent domain for her two strongest champions, but Finn and Jake don't understand law much less how to exploit it.
Also, they are not really the kind to go cry to higher authority when someone bully them.

I dont know but I am getting real tired of this bullshit already

>>63710376
>The message was pretty easy to get, you can't force people to change no matter how much you love them.
Then why the fuck are they trying to change the show so much? Do they not love it?

>>63723933
They aren't. It's still the same silly show.

We just got Something Big an Little brother. AT has always been about alternating between big adventures and more silly things.

I'd say the only problem with the show is that we only get an episode by week, if we are lucky. It's an 11 minutes show. Adventure time would be much more enjoyable if they broadcasted two new episodes tail to tail each week.

>>63724048
I'd think longer episodes could work, but with made two at a time it'd be easier to have two-parters while still allowing short ones, so that's even better.

>>63724261
Does anyone have a gif of the little dance Finn does when he get his arm back?

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>>63724261
>delete file to post it in the talkback thread since I meant to post it there
>talkback thread dies
Well then.
Anyway, the ocarina not being hollow is another wind instrument not working, I wonder if there's anything up with that. Reminded me that Finn apparently blows a mean flute when he isn't using one full of twig.

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>>63710550
You know I was going to make a joke about how he's not in the treasure room anymore, but that made me realize:
>Finn's love problems seem sorted out and he has a new sword
>the treasure room's cleaned out
>the War Elephant's gone
>Maja's plan is finished, and now she's stuck with a Demi-God
>Finn's Dad is off doing whatever, and it's implied that humans still exist elsewhere, just not Earth
>bits about the Willow Tree, and NEPTR, and stuff are sorted out
>Betty's now running around out there

And to top it off, we haven't heard any real mention of Season 7, where before we'd get news about two seasons in advance before Season 3 was done.

Are they starting to wrap up Adventure Time?

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>>63716884
>>63717314
No way.
He's going to sleep because he's about to turn into a Wish Master like Prismo, just as Finn or Jake or somebody traveling time pops in and needs a wish badly.

>>63724567
It's not a new sword, it's the one from "Still".

I hope they really are wrapping it up, it's for the best it goes out with a bang instead of trudging along for another 10 seasons.

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>>63724611
Some day...

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>>63724567
>he has a new sword
It's an old sword, besides grass sword is still there.

The seasons started great, but what the fuck is going on with the last episodes?

>>63710332
Everything is a hipster nowadays.

>>63724634
Ten more would too much, but depending on how things are wrapped up I don't see how a seventh necessarily wouldn't be a good idea. Not to introduce more stuff, just to wrap thing sup more slowly. I think what's left might be better off handled at its own pace than rushed.

>>63710257
How could Finn and Jake let KKW do that to them? If my kid did that, I would've disowned his ass.

>>63714304
I'd say ever since Heat Signature. But yeah.

>>63711049
That's just Jake.
He's a shithead.

>>63710257
>latest
didn;t know season 3 was "latest"

>>63714912
well since rainicorn isnt dead im assuming they mature fast but age really slow

>>63726469
remember, werent rainicorns parents like 900 years old?

>>63720148
Or how so many people kept wanting the show to get all deep with the various elements of Ooo's history (Something Big) and make Jake's kids less of a cop-out disappearance (Ocarina).

>>63715440
actually what will really happen is a mixture of fallout, mad max, and Dredd.

societies are made from scrap using pseudo currency people can get behind and eventually bigger cities will emerge to contain massive amounts of people, out side those cities rouges and travelers battle for resources.
3-700 years later, we recovered completely.

>>63726509
yep

>>63726509
900 years old and yet great grandparents in the time span of less than half a century. No wonder they have a whole crystal dimension to live in, they're almost like fast agers in Docking Station.

The Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, Adventure Time. These are shows I have given up on because they lost their way.

>>63726775
>American Dad
Explain yourself.

>>63726803
The characters are no longer likable. Especially Roger.

>>63726941
roger was never likable.
he's a pure seth character.
meant to be as deviant and shitty as possible because seth thinks that crap is funny.

>>63726999
remember seth at the oscars.

turned what is supposed to be a classy ceremony into a fucking adam sandler film

>>63710257
That's Tom and Steve's thing now as a team. It's getting to be pretentious.

>>63711726
>Adventure Time isn't notable for its world or its humor or its characters.
lol what? That's what it's known for, primarily.

>all of that is basically set dressing for artists to tell their own stories
It did not used to be, anon. The influence of individual boarders become more and more prominent over time, and I think it's gone overboard now, personally. There's a profound lack of coherency, and I think it has hurt the show. Especially because they do try hard to keep the show's continuity functioning, and that's ridiculous when every boarder is going in a different direction.

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WHAT

I want to punch everyone involved in this episode in the face

This is bullshit

>>63728336
btw I agree that the show has always been artsy (that's good), but only recently has it become pretentious. It's too aware of its own messages.

Originally, the show took typical morals of kids' shows and violated them and turned them around on purpose. That gave a certain structure that made season 1/2-ish really special.

>>63728367
>im about ready to watch this episode

great, now i know its shit

hello. i liked this week's episode. bye

>>63728487
Would have been a high tier episode if not for that...

I hurt. I enjoyed the one after it though

>>63718428
Um, has he not been back? What about that interview that said he'd be around a lot?

>>63728740
They wanted him dead so the banana guards would have a reason to stay incompetent.

>>63728740
Shit meant
>>63728367

Kids don't want fun

>>63710257
they're doing new things to keep the show fresh.

>>63728740
>>63728758
The voice actor wanted him dead since he felt so strongly about the character.
If RBG couldn't improve the Banana Guards, then it would feel like he was failing him.

>>63728951
So...just make them actually be somewhat useful and add a scene of about 11 seconds worth commenting on it? Job done

Goddamn, instead you kill Root Beer Guy? That's worse!

>>63728487
More like wasted opportunity.

>>63729007
You can't change the status quo Anon. Without retarded guards there'd be less conflict. i.e. watching a banana guard spend 30 seconds trying to do something it sould be able to do in 5 seconds.

>>63713732
That fuck is this?

>>63726232
1. He is an adult.
2. Jake is too much of a papa-bear dad.

>>63729238
Then make an episode where NEW GUARDS are created or kill all the old banana guards or something.

>>63729752
Rattleballs addressed that. Really it's down to laziness, stock retards are safe comedy gold when you're stuck with a minute to fill.

>>63729238
>>63729752
I'd like to add that the guards are not relevant in the great scope of things. 99% of the time the guards couldn't help even if they were competent.

In other words killing Root Beer Guy off was a display of prominent ignorance and supreme stupidity.

>>63728758
Then why the fuck did they create RBG in the first place?

I wonder if it's because that guest artist created him and the normal staff didn't want to keep him.

>>63729814
Goddammit I really wish they could evolve beyond the use of stock comedy retards. It's cheap. At least Cinnamon Bun is sorta gone.

>>63728951
I was asking about Finn's father, though. Has HE not been back? I thought I just missed it.

>>63729238
But it did change, the guards got *dumber* over time.
In You Made Me they were smart enough to understand that they had to keep Lemongrab's visits a secret if they wanted to keep spying on him spy on other people, and their old captain was this kinda cool guy with a mustache. In Root Beer guy they fail to put clues together and by James II they can't even recognize a face from a photo.
If the status quo can change in one direction, it should be able to change in the other.

>>63731147
Should be, but it's just entropy. Stupid characters get easier laughs, so characters gets stupider and stupider. It happens in most long-running cartoons.

Characters never change in a way that's more difficult to write, since that would require conscious effort.

>>63718428
He's off making potato rolls.

>>63732034
Someone put that old man out of his misery. I'm tired of seeing his agony.

>>63732136
It's a problem that they have a character who is kinda designed to be stagnant. He's cursed to be stuck like that forever. All they can do to "develop" IK is change his relationships with other characters.

I would have advocated Simon as actual character, trying to adjust to the future like Betty supposedly is (someplace where we'll never see her). But that boat was missed so hard it exploded.

>>63732034
Read the left page of comics from the top down, then started reading the ones on the right and wondered why he was doing things so similar to what was in his dream. Was kind funny to realize I was reading it wrong, I wonder if it was organized like that to make it seem more like Ice King made it, like the part he made in the AT Encyclopedia.

>>63724567
There's been no mention of season 7 at all?

Why doesn't somebody ask, certainly they're making it now if there's going to be one. Unless there will be a hiatus that's like, 6 months or longer.

why are jake's children so shitty?

>>63733073
Because Jake is a shitty person.

>>63733091
well they're even worse than him

>>63733115
I don't think that's possible.
Except for Jake Jr. But how else would she earn the name?

>>63726999
>roger was never likable
at the beginning of the series Roger was a LOT softer. but those are the seasons /co/ usually says suck.

>>63716218
We've been on this wild ride since S1, since there's nothing else important going on we'll just stay on this train until it crashes.

>>63731427
did he not actually die at the end of Escape from the Citadel?

>>63716218
>Just stop watching if it bothers you so much
I like to read /co/ all the time, so it's hard. Seeing news about this show leads to reading, and reading leads to watching.

>>63728367

There is even an explaination for that? Did his voice actor retired or something?

>>63731369
It's something that tends to happen, but it does go directly against the stated reason for RGB's death.

>>63732387
What if Simon returns by becoming a cyborg or something, but but the parts that are removed re-form into Ice King? Would go with the precedent of Composite Princess and Ricardio. IK could even thank Finn for taking Simon out of him, saying it made him crazy and worry about things other than ruling the Ice Kingdom with an icy fist.

>>63733340
When I first heard the spoiler, I figured they were gonna milk it like a dramatic event.

They way it was actually handled makes me think there was some problem with the character. Either the VA or the character's existence interfering with already finished plots.

>>63733340
>>63733728
The VA quit because he felt the character was pointless if he wasn't able to turn the Banana Guard competent.

>>63733811
lel, so they'd rather kill off an interesting, useful new character than change the thing he was introduced to change? Seems a clear indicator of the staff's insufferable attitude. The banana guards aren't even that funny, guys... that schtick is already old.

Where's the sauce of that info?

>>63733811
didn't he want the banana guard to stay dumb so he asked them to kill rootbear?

>>63723933
They love the show but hate the kids audience.

>>63734105
Either way, why in the world would they value keeping the retard banana guards over the chance for PB to get a more competent army? If they're trying to play up PB's dictator history and general evilness, why not keep RBG by her side. He was one of the few candy people who was not clinically retarded, and they kill him off just like he's nothing?

The relatively new (season 4, I think?) development of the banana guards being idiots is mildly funny, at best. Well, maybe 10 year olds disagree.

WEEE WOOO WEEE WOOO WEEE WOOOOooooo

>>63733984
>The banana guards aren't even that funny, guys... that schtick is already old.
This, Finn giving PB some perspective on her kingdom was good but the guards themselves felt a bit forced in places.

>>63734441
If hope they don't force in "comedic relief" like that because they fear kiddies getting bored. Because that would be sad.

It's probably not that though. The staff just thinks the banana guards are so goddamn funny that there's no way it should ever change.

Assuming that this rumor is even true. Where's the source?

>>63711726
go back to /calarts/

>>63735255
He's right that this is what the show is NOW. It's like an experimental ground for each writer to explore their own issues through these characters, and do stuff that strongly resembles their personal work.

But he's wrong that that has been the main draw of the show since forever. A few years ago, the show hung together better as a whole product. You usually couldn't tell who was writing. Now each writer has their own pet interests and sense of humor and special characters. It's artistically free, but it's also self-indulgent.

Hi /co/. I have a problem with Adventure Time. How come it isn't written specifically for me anymore? Have they forgotten that I am their core audience? I can't help but think sometimes that they think other people are also their audience. How do we fix Adventure Time so it's made just for me again?

>>63735720
I don't think the staff thinks much about their audience, really. They do what they want. Which means it's not dumbed down for kids-- there's complexity that adults love. But there's also enough bullcrap to piss off adults and bore children at the same time.

>>63710332
>everything but 4chan and 4chan associated things is hipsters or bullshit.

Which is ironic considering that most of Anon's posts are kneejerk hipster bullshit. There are a few Anons that actually put up a good opinion whether it be contrary to mine or not, but that is rare indeed.

Man I loved this episode.

Maybe it's because I'm older than most people on /co/.

Maybe not.

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>>63736906
I thought it was great too, if not for how close to home it hit. I think it's just one of those stories you won't be able to fully enjoy if it isn't personal to you in some way and boy did it feel personal to me.
>Moving out for the first time in my life soon
>Have no fucking clue what I'm doing with my life beyond that
>Really troubling relationship with my father, he's too stubborn and ignorant
>Still can tell that in his own weird, twisted way he still cares about me to some extent and just wants me to be able to move on and do my own thing
>Despite already being ready to move, he gives me an eviction notice as a misguided attempt for "motivation" that comes off as petty
>Literally got it an hour before watching this episode
>mfw
I wont lie, I teared up a bit during this episode.

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GUYS GUYS GUYS
Aren't we all forgetting something serious that needs to be discussed?
Jake's explanation of the origin of laws.
So bullies can keep the weak in place?
What the hell are kids going to grow up thinking after being exposed to this?

link to the episode?

>>63740139
That the strong must rule?

>>63740679
That they must fight the law / the law isn't for them.

>>63740139
>What the hell are kids going to grow up thinking after being exposed to this?
That television shouldn't be trusted?

>>63740139
Fight the Power!
Resist!
Question Authority!

>>63740728
But if they are weak they will ultimately fail and be persecuted by the strong. It's not that inaccurate a picture really.

>>63740139
Probably end up on C.O.P.S.

jesse moynihan,and his shitty 9deep10u writing the dude has written all the duds of the past 2 or 3 seasons

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Clip from next week's episode.

>>63741007
I think Steve Wolfhard's 9deep10u writing (this latest episode) is more irritating than Jesse's brand. It's cutesy in a way that makes me kinda ill. But it does help if you can relate to the message being delivered >>63738547

>has written all the duds of the past 2 or 3 seasons
No way, jmoyns saved season 5.1, imos. Only recently am I starting to not like his work so much. Anyway, I can tell he's still trying really fucking hard, and that counts for a lot. Breezy was like this crushed condensed cube of symbolism.

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>>63720092
Anon, you couldn't have said it any better. fuck these /co/mrades. If I grow up with a show, then I want the show to grow up as well.

>>63741704
I don't mind messages and being "mature", but those things don't automatically make a show good. At least, I don't think so. Being entertaining is important too.

>>63733115
>>63733073
They didn't have Joshua to teach them.

>>63740139
They learn that dogs don't really know law very well, even when their friends are law makers.
They didn't make law to stay in power because they can do that anyway. The laws were made to make the weak better servants, which helped the law-making strong defeat the lawless strong.

>>63741290
Lookin' good. Guess that old guy must be the one in the title.

>>63742464
>They didn't
Mean to say the strong didn't.

I hate not being able to understand the korean

For Adventure Time weren't they going to do an episode related to the Dead Worlds? Aren't there like 50

>>63742922
It's good for sneaking in funny secret stuff. Stuff that children won't look up.

>>63743041
jmoyns said he'd try to get around to it. guess it depends on how much time the show has left to cover "less important" topics.

as if we could ever know what's really important.

>>63733233
We don't know, there's no way to tell fur sure whether any of those guys would help him breath for any reason.
But there is a place near where I live called Martin's that makes bread. I'm not sure why I thought the Internet was a good place to reference arbitrary local things.

>>63743108
i liked when jake got kidnapped by that demon and had to fight that dog prisoner and rainicorn saw, and thought they were having sex. jake explained

"i didnt even have any blood in me". I got it, kids would not. was it even intentional? i dont know, but its just another example of "AT is not a show for kids"

YOU DECIDE!

>>63743291
Blood War, that's most important.

>>63743401
Oh right, those. Those are sold all around the US.

But seriously, was there not an interview where Adam Muto said Finn's dad would be featured in the first third of the season? Finn being depressed for awhile over his absent dad isn't the same thing at all. Fucking hype, always wrong.

>>63710257
i just miss the lore Adventure Time created for me

i think the last ep that did this for me was the one in a library with those paper people

>>63720092
>implying that cartoons aren't for kids and manchildren anyways
kek

>>63713732
shes a dog, a rainicorn, AND a bear? and jakes a grandpa. wow

>>63743417
You mean, like, as a boner joke? Not sure. I think he was just making up an excuse for why he spent so much time with that girl -- he was too tired to get out of the pit because he had lost blood. Originally the ep involved him almost doing the adultery thing, so the nervous conversation was still in there.

>>63743788
Anyway, that episode already had dick jokes about swords and sucking etc. cus why not?

>>63743906
"he sucked my sword off its hilt".

i stopped, paused and got up from my desk for a moment. i lold so hard i couldnt even take it.

>>63710257

I've been disappointed before, but this was the first AT episode that I legitimately hated.

Remember when AT took lessons and then trampled all over them?

>>63744011
my favorite dirty joke is Finn going to jail and getting panties thrown in his face, and then he goes to his cell and cries (might have been a Silence of the Lambs reference?)

>>63744117
elaborate

The problem with adventure time is that it's become bloated by all the sideplot hooks it's been building up over the years, and is now spending all its energy trying to wrap them up half the time unsatisfactorily.

It's like any comedy series which eventually degenerates into nothing but self-referential junk.

>>63713732
I wonder what bullshit mary sue spawnling powers she has inexplicably.

>>63746538
If they're going to follow overarching plots, I wish they'd fucking focus. Laser focus on a couple of long arcs, ending in either the show changing forever, or simply ending. I like continuity references but their approach doesn't feel satisfying anymore. I get the impression that they're mining the past for ideas and scraping the barrel. Self-cannibalizing with references.

>>63746777
none, the beer gene cancels the powers out and makes her fertile too.

Yo, is nobody gonna talk about how great the art and animation was in this episode? The angles and things were incredible.

>>63747758
Really? I felt they where kind of slacking this ep.

>>63712581

That little the little detail at the end make it great for me.

>>63748061

Some of those angles were really cool, and that entire bit at the end where they were talking and having a really mundane conversation but we were so far away we couldn't hear anything... It was weird and unusual and really cool.

OP is an idiot

>>63744117
I'd say it was more just spoofing the way lessons get spelled out in an obvious way at the end. AT doesn't do explicit "This is what you should do." lessons, but always fit in episodes as part of the characters' personal lives. Ocarina was being particularly personal about Jake's life, but there wasn't really a spelled out lesson. "Never buy property without getting the deed to it." was made pretty clear, though.

Also, I wish I had a screencap of of Finn being fat with THE END appearing over him right now.

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The reason for AT's demise is that the show is no longer fun to watch when stoned. If a show is fun to watch when stoned, it's also somewhat fun to watch when not stoned, as in something simple, innocent and crazy. However, now the show is an attempt at artsy hipsterism in a children's world and the concept just doesn't work.

Some of you might remember the funky cops show. The reason why it failed was about the same, it had no target demographic.

Shit is going to go down.

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>>63750876
I miss the time where were no lessons or just parody of them. Who the hell needs these fucking lessons? Like anyone will remember them after 10 seconds.

>>63746812
>beer gene
>makes her fertile
I know where this is going.

>>63747758
>>63750876
They were nice angles, yeah.

>>63751186
If we didn't then how are we talking about them?

>>63751400
>If we didn't then how are we talking about them?
We don't. There is nothing to discuss about them.

>jake's kid a shit
>god fuck he's such a cunt
>the ending
>...damnit, i cant hate him
I thought the episode was pretty decent

>>63717365
what shall we name her and her mother

>>63741290
That's the first time I see an AT character with an Italian name. How strange.

>>63740139
>Aren't we all forgetting something serious that needs to be discussed?
>Jake's explanation of the origin of laws.
>So bullies can keep the weak in place?
Best goddamn part of the whole show. I think it's great to get kids thinking about stuff like this. Hell, most adults need to be pushed to think harder about stuff like this.

>>63754852
It's not like pushing skepticism of the legitimacy of government is something new in AT, either. It provides a rich set of metaphors for understanding ways that sovereign power can be abused or become ludicrous. I think AT is as good as Gulliver's Travels or Alice In Wonderland for expanding minds.

>>63710257
That *was* a fucking stupid episode, wasn't it? It didn't make much sense, even in the context of the show and tried way too hard to be something AT never was.
If I wanted a cartoon about hamfisted social commentary I'd watch Southpark or some crap.
Honestly, ever since the last few episodes of S5 tried to wrap up as many plot threads as possible the show sorta started loosing me.

I considered this the "Jake is a fuckup." episode to go with the "Finn is a fuckup." episode: Jakesuit.

>>63740139
They will become rebellious teenager, then reality will hit them in the face and they will become adult. Nothing will change.

>>63754852
Counterpoint: I was watching it with my niece, who is nine, and her only reaction to this was: "Well, Jake is lazy and kinda evil, so what would he know about laws?", dismissing the whole edgy commentary right off the bat.

>>63756013
That's something, too. When these sorts of ideas are entirely new to people, presented to them by interesting friends maybe in college, they can fall for them in naive and simpleminded ways.

She's learning to question what she's told, even from people she likes. It's an important lesson that people you like can be flawed and have weird ideas you don't have to agree with.

>>63710257

Most of the staff are hipsters that prefer listening and pandering to a small, vocal minority on places like tumblr and deviantart trying to force it to be more than it is than just general viewers.

>>63756127
...and it's another important lesson that well-illustrated ideas on TV can be kooky or wrong.

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>>63750876
my favorite ending ever

>>63750876
>Finn being fat with THE END appearing over him
What episode was that?

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>>63757463
Business Time.

>>63755004
Goliad is a masterpiece for this. She kicked a lot of ass by using force, and Finn had to sit down and think about why what she was doing was even wrong, since it worked so well.
>No, Princess. Bee cares not for flower. If getting pollen hurts or kills flower, bee would not care. Bee is stronger than flower. Goliad is stronger than bee. Goliad is stronger than all.

>>63757539
Thanks.

>>63756013
yeah, I guess he is kinda evil huh.

You now realize that the fucking stupid episode about a elephant pondering life was actually meant to be taken seriously
Also, when is the goddamn filler going to end?

>>63710376
Who said it was hard to get? It was still hipster nonsense

>>63757752
>actually meant to be taken seriously
>Adventure Time
None of it is meant to be taken seriously. There are constant reminders not to take it seriously. You are watching this show in entirely the wrong spirit.

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>>63757752
The next batch of episodes (presumably in August) includes Evergreen, an episode detailing the Ice Crown's origin. Pic related is from this episode.

There's also another one called Nemesis, which deals with a guy who wants to remove a great evil from the Candy Kingdom. But is he taking about Bubblegum, or Peppermint Butler?

>>63757871
>None of it is meant to be taken seriously.
Youre kidding right? You do realise you can take a show with jokes seriously right?
and yeah, often with AT, youre meant to

>>63757902
Peppermint Butler dabbles in the dark arts but has he ever done anything evil?
Now Princess Bubblegum... thats a history of some evil deeds

>>63757871
Depends. I think the scene in question was meant to be serious. As in, moving rather than funny. Whether it actually worked is a different story.

>>63757962
My favorite Princess Bubblegum moment was when Finn and Jake came across her "collecting taxes" in their treasure pile.

>>63757902
I'll be amazed if they have the balls to DEFINITIVELY state that she's evil, or a threat to Ooo. So far they just want to dance around the bush so somebody can always argue
>PB did nothing wrong

Peppermint Butler is hardly even evil. More like lawful neutral black magic practitioner.

>>63758036
I get the feeling that thats the path the characters going down. Personally I would LOVE it if the "final boss" Finn has to face at the end of the series ends up being PB.

>>63757962
>Peppermint Butler dabbles in the dark arts but has he ever done anything evil?
Well, he drowned a goblin. They just don't focus much on him.

>>63757902
that character design looks familiar

>>63757630
From the mouth of babes, and all that, right?

>>63711726
>>63716218
>>63716351

>>63711765
>>63711780
>>63711863

For fuck's sake, /co/. This entire thread is unbelievably depressing. You're so buttblasted that AT isn't what you wish it was anymore that you refuse to even try and see value in what it is now. Or you just can't, because apparently most of you can't into story analysis/tone/subtext.

inb4 there isn't any it's all pretentious hipster nonsense give us back our fun kiddie adventures forvever

>>63757871
>none of it is meant to be taken seriously

Psychic Tandem War Elephant was not meant to be taken seriously, but you wanna tell me again I Remember You was a joke episode?

A show can be both at different times, anon.

I hope you AT fans don't complaint about "Simpsons are dead" threads after this.

>>63758774
I can hate some things about the show and love other things.

>here isn't any it's all pretentious hipster nonsense give us back our fun kiddie adventures forvever
There's definitely a middle ground. AT was never just kiddie adventures, anyway. It's always been rich in subtext and inverted morals and all that good stuff. That's why it gained an adult audience immediately. But currently the writing pushes too hard with the morals sometimes, and it's hard to stomach.

>>63758841
Not a "joke episode", but still not something to take seriously.

It doesn't matter whether it makes you laugh, makes you uncomfortable, or is intensely sentimental, none of it is serious. It's all a very silly fantasy show.

>>63759028
This. It's the same with anything of artistic value. A balance has to be struck between themes and the action. Both have their merits, both are inextricable. Adventure Time is at its best where the two compliment each other. It's been far too heavy handed recently. It's easy to favor one, and quite difficult to balance.

>>63759176
For one thing, t's easy to favor dry, talky, philosophical moral pieces because it's easier to fucking draw.

For me, the show has tipped the scales so that it's now more fun to discuss than it is to watch. They put so much cerebral content into it that I have to think about what they mean, and a lot of meaning is uncovered by talking about the symbols and such. But as for action and snappy dialogue and crazy visuals? Especially of the non-symbolic variety? Much less than earlier seasons. That was the stuff that used to make me fucking giddy to watch this thing.

>>63759140
>I Remember You/every episode like it was not serious or intended to be viewed seriously

That's so bizarrely stupid I don't even have a response to it other than christ, is this the level of delusion AT fans will go to, to hang on to their fun times kid show?

>>63759390
>For one thing, it's easy to favor dry, talky, philosophical moral pieces because it's easier to fucking draw.

Except that doesn't necessarily follow at all, and the art and animation is better than its ever been

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>>63760714
I thought AT fans were supposed to be deluded that it ISN'T a funtimes kid show?

Has the hipster attitude flipped because the mature themes are now so incredibly obvious?

>>63760753
I guess it's more slick in places, but the animation will never be as energetic as the first couple seasons. It's shocking to go back and watch it, how fast the pace is. Modern AT is fucking molasses in comparison.

>>63760943
The important thing here is that you've found a way to feel superior to people taking either the position that the show is serious business, or that it isn't.

Bravo. I bet you have a wonderful life.

>>63760943
I actually think so, yeah

>>63761206
Go watch Little Brother or Something Big again, then give me an episode from earlier seasons that matches up

Those episodes had great art direction, Little Brother especially. The backgrounds were awesome and the Rat King was a definite highlight. I think it's one of my favorite episodes period, although I don't think the song/reunion at the end had quite the build-up it needed.

I love AT, fuck all you haters.

I dont exactly know what the lemon hope half hour episode was driving at. It seemed like it swung back and forth between individualism and altruism and i didn't get which it was favoring exactly.

>>63741290
LITTLE DUDE IS BACK FUCK YEAH

Serious question.

Would /co/ much prefer if the show went to "adventure of the week" silliness format or would /co/ bitch about that too?

>>63761305
I think black-and-white worldviews tend to be unrealistic. The srs-bzness level of the show depends on the writer. Some hope their deep ideas are actually absorbed by the audience, because they're baring their soul on the page. Others see a silly thing to do for a paycheck. Xayaphone is apparently off his rocker.

>>63761541

That how it was at first at it was great.

>>63761541
There is no comic/cartoon so perfect that /co/ wouldn't bitch about it. Actually the better it is (and the longer it lasts) the more people bitch about it. This is why the layman perceives (correctly) that /co/ 75% jealous haterz.

>>63761541
If the writing was just was good, sure I'd love more classic AT.

But it's not. If the writers could handle it , I would prefer they dive even harder into plot. It's too wishy washy still. The fear of change is strong.

Whether the show is GOOD is not related to which approach they take. People set up this false dichotomy
>why don't you like the show anymore, don't you like it to be mature? You asked for this!!
Yeah, but the execution can still suck.

>>63761745
>the execution can still suck

Oh, for sure. But I'd argue that it doesn't. At least not nearly as much as /co/ makes it out to. Or, not for the incredibly shitty reasons I'm seeing /co/ give.

>>63761541
Of course they would. It would placate a lot of people, but this is 4chan. AT has the level of popularity that someone's going to call it shit no matter what happens.

>>63762107
>But I'd argue that it doesn't.
understood. I just want people to stop arguing that being critical mean you don't like the more "adult" direction the show is trying to take. There are plenty of problems to point out regarding HOW it's being done.

Anyway, the show was plenty adult-friendly from the beginning imo. It was adventure-of-the-week, yeah, but it had this subtle as hell layer to it. I didn't need PB's evulllness shoved in my face to see her moral ambiguity, and I didn't need war history shoved in my face to understand the post-apocalyptic setting.

>>63710257
Because there aren't any shitty deep artsy crap cartoons in America aside from Moral Orel.

>>63761407
>i didn't get which it was favoring exactly

Probably because it wasn't, it was just a ham-handed wrap-up for a character they did fuck all with.

>>63762384
That character was a creator's pet. Like a shell for a personal philosophy.

>>63758023
The worst part is from a legal standpoint, the treehouse doesn't even reside in Candy Kingdom territory, so why would they have to pay taxes? That's like if I live in Canada and have to pay taxes to America. Also, I think a detailed map of Ooo and the kingdoms should be compiled, as they've introduced enough regions for a map to be warranted.

>>63762486
And what philosophy was that

>>63762384
Like most of S5's episode towards the end *and* some of S6?
>Flame Princess
>Lemonhope and all the Lemon people
>Cinnamon Bun (...and good riddance)
>Lich
>James
>Root Beer Guy
>Billy
>Maja
The question I have here is. Why? Why rush all those great characters and plotlines out in a hurry only to put in a episode where Finn&Jake get evicted/forced to confront the realities of life for a grown-up or one where Finn is acting like a douche (yet again). It makes no damn sense to me, and I am not even taking the fucking food chain one into account here.

>>63762975
Eh, I sorta liked his attitude towards freedom in a way. Stupid or not, at least he stuck to his guns overall. 'Freedom not to rain, I guess.', and all that.

>>63762975
Individualism, maybe. Not feeling obligated?

I don't really get why such a paper-thin character got a 2-part episode out of nowhere, filled with personal dream sequences and symbolism. Unless the character was more of a vehicle for an idea. That's a dangerous thing.

>>63711726
Tl;dr

>>63712477
That ones going right in the vault, I can tell.

This shit got too popular for its own good, and turned from adventuring with some zany humour to a SJW soapbox mixed in with ">tfw no gf" and a BARELY advancing main plot.

>>63763742
>SJW
Jesus that's a wrongheaded interpretation. Probably the biggest theme of the whole show is how nothing is as black and white as it seems.

>>63764167
The second two points are fine but if you're gonna use a buzzword, "hipster" is better then "SJW" to describe AT. AT is special because it's progressive without being bitter or angry.

>>63713732
>having a kid before you turn 1
oh jeez

>>63711500
i-is that cropped?

>>63763136
>>63763168

I love it when people try and criticize things they can't even fully describe

>character as a vehicle for an idea
>dangerous thing
>what is superman

Execution is everything.