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What is your favorite kind of wine?

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What is your favorite kind of wine?
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>>8646310
AHHH THE FRENCH
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Valdemar
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Port
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>>8646310
Depends man. I don't drink much wine anymore, but I like a chilled crisp white, like savignon blanc. I like lighter reds like pinot noir, or some dark fruity ones too.
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>>8646310
>What is your favorite kind of wine?
>implying i'm a gay
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white, dry
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>>8646310
riesling boo, dryer the better
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>>8646396
drier. wow, i need to sleep.
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Expensive wine
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>>8646310
sangria, it's like fruit punch but for adults
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pink moscato.

[spoiler]i cut my red wine with sprite[/spoiler]
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>>8646617
yeah but fruit punch tastes good.
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A bullet
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Port
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>>8646310
Chianti or Port, if I'm drinking wine I'm already not eating well, might as well drink something made for decadence.
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That's like asking me what my favorite food is

People who have a favorite of one thing usually either know very little about that one thing, or they have shit taste. The two usually go hand in hand

Tonight I'm having sherry
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>>8646651
>hello I am a pretentious cunt here to ruin your thread

That's all you really needed to say
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I know nothing about wine but the red stuff can be good. The white ones are good when they are crisp pinos but the buttery chardonnays are shit. Oaky chardonnays aren't much better but the buttery ones I can't drink.

Rose can be good with a light lunch too.
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>>8646658
he is a faggot but he's right. you wouldn't go into a record store and walk up to the owner, who has dedicated some serious amount of time to music, and ask what his favorite album was. he'll give you 20 different ones spanning decades.
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>>8646658
>waah waah I bet he likes stuff I don't like mommy make the mean man stop having his opinions

You seem lost, perhaps you should try /r/food/
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Cheap merlot
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>/ck/
>drinking wine

don't you mean bud ice and fireball?
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>>8646704
>bud ice

if you lurked more you'd know steel reserve is the correct choice.
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>>8646682
Why cheap?
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>>8646722
So I can buy a lot
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>>8646310
Love a good Port. I'm a lightweight so 2 glasses of a strong Port gives me a nice buzz
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>>8646713

>implying I haven't been on this Taiwanese haircut instruction manual about 4000 times longer than I should have
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>>8646310
My dad lives near Niagara falls, Canada. They have many wineries there. His neighbors family brings over a bottle of every batch they make, so he literally has hundreds of bottles lying around. There ice wine was really good, but the red is amazing too. I usually drink beer, the only time I drink wine is at his place. his girlfriend is starting to make her own, just started last year. It is really a thing around Niagara region apparently.
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>>8646310
White just like my women
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Best wine I ever had was an Egri Bikavér or Bull's Blood when I was in Hungary. But I also love Zins.
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>>8646767
kek
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Honeywine.

Everything else tastes like grape peels imho
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>>8646769
dry, one-dimensional and void of any substance?
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>>8646787
who hurt you
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PAPA GENO'S WINE (JUST LIKE HOMEMADE)

https://youtu.be/nAhjUNi-1jU
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Chianti or Malbec
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>>8646310
Basically any wine from the Loire region of France, but especially Vouvray. I feel like it goes well with everything.
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RIOJA
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>>8646619
Good lad.
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M'HAAAAAAA THE FRENCH..... CHAMPAGNE
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>>8646310
muahaaaaaaaaa
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>>8647095
California champagne is superior desu
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>>8646926
I don't even believe that I just wanted to make myself laugh.

haha get trolled HARD nerd
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Barossa Shiraz
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>>8646310
I dont like wine very much so I usually keep a bottle for cooking
But if I get sad Enough I can finish the bottle and then go out for more
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>>8647158
I believe you mean Californian sparkling white wine kek
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Someone else's.
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red grape
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>>8646314
CHAMPAGNE HAS ALWAYS BEEN CELEBRATED FOR ITS EXCELLENCE
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Dolcetto Dogliani
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>>8646310
Riesling.
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>>8646310
i was honestly just about to post an Orson thread

I'd like to start drinking wine. What should I start with?

I've had wine in the past but only some of the dark colored (red) ones. And I've 100% painted my wall with stains opening them. They didn't taste too great.

I need an easy wine that will hopefullly taste good and not stain my walls.
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>>8647652
Fucking Chopping Mall.
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>>8646310
Super Tuscans for red
Gruner vietlener for white
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muuhhAAAAAAAAAaaaaaahhhh THE Frencsh schampagne!
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>>8647158
>Californian champagne
No such thing friend
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$5aud cleanskin Shiraz from my local shady Vietnamese run bottle shop.

Enjoy most wines I've tried except for the most dry and anything that's more than slightly carbonated.
Cannot stand champagne.
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>>8646310
Whatever is in the glass closest to me,.
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>>8647931
FROGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
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Rioja region wines are always good.
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>>8646310
St. Emillion
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>>8647979
Champagne is a province in France and champagne is the wine from Champagne

California is not Champagne, so Californian wine is not champagne
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>>8647979
The Champagne come from the Champagne "region" in France.

Just call it the "California".
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>>8648839
So what do you call a champagne like product that comes from a region other than champagne? how do they sell bologna products outside of bologna? What do they call it? Your logic is dumb tb h
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>>8648858
>champagne like product
Sparkling wine.
>how do they sell bologna
BECAUSE IT'S NOT PROTECTED DESIGNATION OF ORIGIN, YOU DIPFUCK
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>>8647931
>>8647979
>>8648839
http://vinepair.com/wine-blog/loophole-california-champagne-legal/
tl;dr It's totally legal in the US for Cali to sell "champagne" despite whatever laws the Euros pass and there's nothing they can do about it
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>>8648868
Sparkling wine is different from champagne though.
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>>8646776
I honestly envy you 95% of that shit is undrinkable. Had a few good ones, from Csutorás, Bukolyi or Thummerer, but on the average, it's some musty, moldy CS-Blaufränkisch cuvée.
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>>8649311
>Blaufränkisch
I don't get why people shit on this grape. It might not be the most exciting or refined thing in the world to drink but it has its place.
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>>8648879
Don't get me wrong I am no fan of the wild-west style labeling in the US that says "buyer beware", and I don't want to sound like I'm defending the loophole, but there is enough variation in style and quality even within proper champagne wine that bitching and moaning about California champagne is the wrong battle to fight. They've shown they can make champagne that tastes pretty much like champagne. Same as their bordeaux knockoffs. California has a lot of problems when it comes to wine but this isn't anywhere near the worst.

If you want to bitch and moan about California selling substandard fake goods, take a look at what they call "chablis wine".
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>>8649334
It's a profitable grape because you can grow a fuck ton of it on a small amount of land, meaning it's overrepresented in cheap shitty wine that doesn't even bother trying

Since the hipsters decided it was the next big thing it seems like there's been more attention paid to the decent stuff but there's a reason for the reputation
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>>8649334
I wasnt shitting on it, Weninger or Dúzsi make great Kékfrankos wines. I was shitting on Egri Bikavér, because the committee responsible for it's quality assurance is corrupt as fuck, and most of the Bikavérs in the market ar indeed dull, musty Cabernet Sauvignon - Blaufrankisch cuvées.
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>>8649350
Also this, I have to agree. If you want to buy a good bottle, make sure it's Austrian, and not some knock-off.
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Lambic framboise inb4 not wine its better than wine
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>>8649350
>Since the hipsters decided it was the next big thing
I don't get this. The backlash was practically instantaneous - as soon as it increased in popularity people were bitching about it. Yet these same people gave zweigelt and grüner-veltliner a pass.
>>8649357
Maybe that's part of why.
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>>8646310

Trockenberrenuslese.
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>>8649432
>Yet these same people gave zweigelt and grüner-veltliner a pass.

They did? Well maybe gruner veltliner but zweigelt gets shit talked by the same people shit talking blaufrankisch

But the gruner veltliner fad predated the "blaufrankisch isn't what you think!" meme by like 10 years
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Merlot by far

not even memeing
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>>8649445
Yeah. I was in the business ten years ago and really thought grüner was going to be the next big thing. Then the recession hit right when that was gathering steam, and I got out of the business. I'm happy to see its popularity has increased. But I still think zweigelt is super underrated. Not as a fine wine, but it's a great daily drinker, especially in warm weather.
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>>8649445
GV is an old meme, I have to agree.

Part of the zweigelt and balufrankisch bashing is that these people are used to their mega purple california reds, and when they meet something that doesnt deliver what theyre used to, they simply assume that wine is bad.

TLDR; blaufrankisch and zweiglet bashers are uncultured pretentious fucks.
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>>8649468
When a meme goes full mainstream every idiot can have an opinion, and when idiots have opinions the opinions are idiotic

I knew the day had come when I went into a random korean-owned liquor store and the guy was recommending an "australian" zweigelt. I was like "australia? that's interesting" and he was like "yeah this is the next big thing!" completely oblivious to the *austrian* flag painted on the cap

Also GV is shit tier, call me a pleb, IDGAF
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>>8646310
Wines vary wildly within the same grape, so I tend to like many things from all styles.

Overall, I prefer dry reds.
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>>8649489
Also, discussing varieties is and old meme.

Why varietal wine? It can be interesting, but cuvées tend to outrace them, if made well. It also confuses the customer and makes marketing harder. i never understood wineries who make 10+ varietal wines and 5-6 cuvées. I mean, what's your point? How do you expect people to recognize you?
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>>8649457
Nothing wrong with Merlot.

It's extremely common, and it's probably the best red to give someone who hasn't had wine before. Usually goes fine by itself or with food without issue.
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>>8649468
>zweigelt and balufrankisch bashing
I kinda wonder if it's a little bit of lingering tarnish from the '85 scandal.
>>8649489
>Also GV is shit tier
There are plenty of shit tier ones out there, but some really great wines can be made from that grape. Sommer made a consistently good one last time I checked.
>>8649503
>iscussing varieties is and old meme.
So is the Parker scale, but that's not going to make it go away.
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>>8649548
>lingering tarnish from the '85 scandal
Most of the people who do it werent even born back then. But who know, you might be right.

>that's not going to make it go away
I know. It just makes me sad how our country's wine industry is racing towards the abyss with this stupid fucking furmint fad. I mean, it's an okay grape, but blended with lipovina it's even better. And also, people here genuinely believe that furmint is getting international recognition, and keep pushing the variety. While it's really only got some minimal attention because it's something new to the west.

It's like when the average /b/ poster gets smiled on by a girl, and he takes that as her becoming his girlfriend. I dont wanna be around when he brings her flowers.
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Red wines.
Rare Earth Organics/Charles Shaw became they're certifiably veganfaggy, but only the dark ones by CS are vegfaggy, which is fine by me because I don't much care for white wines anyway.
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>>8649588
>became
cake
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I like Merlot a lot as a cheap wine.
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>>8648871
and north korea can call itself a democratic republic, doesn't mean it is one.
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>>8646310
Try blackberry wine. Sweet yet cheap
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>>8647931
There is a California champagne by Paul Masson.
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>>8647067
Same. Basically anything with temperanillo in it is good in my book. I only really got into wine during a trip around the rural areas of northern Spain, so my tastes are geared towards cheap Spanish table wine.
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>>8649588
>CS are vegfaggy
Yet loaded with arsenic at the same time. >>8649631
>my tastes are geared towards cheap Spanish table wine.
The French might give you shit for that, but I wouldn't. If you're going to drink cheap table wine Spain is solid as fuck.
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>>8649656
>If you're going to drink cheap table wine Spain is solid as fuck.
This. Hell yes Spain.
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>>8646310
Chianti Classico (it has a black cock on the neck of the bottle) or a really nice Cabernet.
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>>8649630
Champagne is a region in France. The wine grown in Champagne is called Champagne. There is not a region of California called Champagne. There is no Champagne from California it's just sparkling wine.
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>>8650653
But Americans take great glee in using legally protected names from other places (particularly France) as generic terms for a style of product. So in America you have Champagne and Burgundy from California, though labeling any California wine either of those names would be illegal anyplace else in the world.
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>>8647067
+1
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>>8650653
>The wine grown in Champagne is called Champagne
Sure but it might as well have been called Teegeeack after the planet it's located on. The term for the wine is derived from the name of the place, but it refer to the wine, because the wine is from champagne (or Teegeeack if you will). The name of the California wine is in turn derived from the name of the French wine that it supposedly resembles. If the French had called it Teegeeack wine then Californians would have had to pick another name because Teegeeack sounds gay as fuck
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>>8646310
White.
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>>8647158
california champagne doesn't exist
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>>8650697
it's BY PAUL MASSON
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Nagual del Judith
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>>8650673
The real difference between the wines is the weather that the grapes used to make the wine were grown in. That is why the name of the wine is identical with the grow location because it is the location that matters.

You could refer to all wine by the grape type but the thing which is causally responsible for the unique flavor of that wine is the weather and process used to make it. For this reason we refer to wine by the region in which it is grown. This is why Champagne tastes different than the sparkling wine from Italy or California and it would be retarded to refer to all of it by Champagne because they are clearly different from each other and only one of the types listed is actually grown in Champagne.

Please stop acting like you know what you are talking about. It's embarrassing.

>>8650667
It would be retarded to determine wine type by a legal process. It is much more effective to use reasoning to do so like I just did because people can argue all day about legal grounds, but they cannot argue about what the name of a region of France is.

I'm an American "fly over" by the way.
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>>8650728
>The real difference between the wines is the weather that the grapes used to make the wine were grown in
Are you referring specifically to differences between California champagne and actual AOC Champagne? Or wine in general? Because I think most knowledgeable people would consider the vinification to far outweigh the microclimate and soil, hence why methode champenoise can produce a plausible "champagne" taste whether performed in champagne itself, northern california, or New Mexico

>this is why Champagne tastes different than the sparkling wine from Italy

Holy hell no, what the hell are you talking about? Italian sparkling wine (at least the most famous and closely associated with Italy) uses the charmat method where there is no secondary bottle fermentation, which creates a totally different flavor and texture. And then of course there's the fact that they're COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GRAPES. If you used the exact same grapes and exact same vinification then maybe you might have a case for "why they taste different" but then, I'm not sure they'd really be different enough to screech autistically about

> it would be retarded to refer to all of it by Champagne because they are clearly different from each other
Clearly? Clearly to whom? I'm not sure I could tell them apart in a blind test, whereas I could clearly tell you which one one came from Italy

>I'm an American "fly over" by the way.

Yes, I can tell. What other weird ideas do you have about wine?
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>>8650728
This highlights a very telling difference between Americans and French. The French judge wine by how well it lives up to the established regional style. Americans don't even acknowledge that's a thing.
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>>8650735
>Are you referring specifically to differences between California champagne and actual AOC Champagne? Or wine in general? Because I think most knowledgeable people would consider the vinification to far outweigh the microclimate and soil, hence why methode champenoise can produce a plausible "champagne" taste whether performed in champagne itself, northern california, or New Mexico
I'm talking about the flavor profile of some arbitrary bottle of wine. I am saying that weather affects the flavor profile, and because the weather in Champagne is not identical with the weather in California, the wine grown in Champagne will not be identical with the wine grown in California. I am not saying that they cannot be similar in flavor (I'm sure they can be), but I am saying that unless all of the conditions for making wine in California are almost exactly the same as Champagne, then the wine cannot be called Champagne.

Are you trying to tell me that we are changing the definition of what Champagne is? Because the last time that I checked Champagne is called Champagne if and only if it is grown in Champagne.

>Clearly? Clearly to whom? I'm not sure I could tell them apart in a blind test, whereas I could clearly tell you which one one came from Italy

The point is that the taste, and the ability to distinguish by taste does not matter because the definition does not reference taste at all. It is clear to every one who read the definition that what you are saying is bullshit.


I can sense it coming.
>oh but it is the taste that matters because it is ultimately food and thus is the reason why you get it in the first place

Sure, taste is what ultimately matters when you are enjoying your wine, but unless that wine comes from Champagne you cannot truthfully say that it is Champagne. The most you could say is that it tastes just like wine from Champagne and that it is a perfect imitation of Champagne.

The problem is that I want REAL Champagne. Not fake shit.
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>>8650797
>The problem is that I want REAL Champagne. Not fake shit.
This. Champagne is a place, and the amount of wine the can produce with that place name is limited by law, which ensures scarcity and acts as a form of quality control. If I just want sparkling wine I'll drink crémant. But if I want Champagne I want real fucking Champagne.
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>>8646314
>>8647304
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Cheap Cabernet Sauvignon from South Africa.

Best Quality/Price Ration
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>>8650796
How is it possible to have a specific regional style in a dynamic system?

It seems like the style would be changing constantly and would therefore be impossible to set a hard and fast definition of what that style is. You would be constantly searching for that definitive style and it would only arrive as soon as everything perishes and the system stops changing.

I'm interested in the identity not a goose chase.
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>>8646310
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>>8647067
here your (you)
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>>8650797
>I'm talking about the flavor profile of some arbitrary bottle of wine.
Ok, so Champagne then. You could have said that in less words

>I am saying that weather
You mean climate

>and because the weather [sic] in Champagne is
Except that California has a pretty huge range of climates based on elevation, orientation, proximity to water, etc. And whaddya know, so does Champagne! For your next trick, you'll tell me that there couldn't possibly be any two sites that share similar traits.

>I am not saying that they cannot be similar in flavor (I'm sure they can be), but I am saying that unless all of the conditions for making wine in California are almost exactly the same as Champagne, then the wine cannot be called Champagne.

That's a really fucking stupid rule. Why would all of the conditions matter in the entire state, if the wine makers could simply be smart enough to pick a few sites for growing the rights kinds of grapes in the right sort of way? And guess what, some (such as Roderer) have done so.

>last time that I checked Champagne is called Champagne if and only if it is grown in Champagne.

You checked wrong, go check it again.

>The point is that the taste, and the ability to distinguish by taste does not matter because the definition does not reference taste at all.

Wonderful, more flyover logic. The taste of wine doesn't matter, it's the words on the bottle. Great!

>It is clear to every one who read the definition that what you are saying is bullshit.

Which definition, was it the wrong one?

>The problem is that I want REAL Champagne.
I'm not sure you know what that is, nor would you like it. You might prefer a cremant d'alsace, a bit more user friendly

It's funny usually I'm the one arguing against wild west American mislabeling but you're so off the mark in your logic it hurts to read.
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>>8650834
Regional styles have been established over thousands of years. They may evolve, but it's hardly dynamic.
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>>8650848
>You mean climate
No, I mean weather.

>That's a really fucking stupid rule. Why would all of the conditions matter in the entire state, if the wine makers could simply be smart enough to pick a few sites for growing the rights kinds of grapes in the right sort of way? And guess what, some (such as Roderer) have done so.
Go look up Chaos Theory bud. All of the conditions matter.

>You checked wrong, go check it again.
>https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=what+is+champagne&*
Go fuck yourself. I was right.

>Wonderful, more flyover logic. The taste of wine doesn't matter, it's the words on the bottle. Great!
You do hear me, but you are not listening to me. Why don't you actually read what I wrote? Oh, that's right, it's because you're arrogant and the burn is too much for you to handle.

Go drink some Faux Champagne and tell people that it's real Champagne. Maybe your friends can talk some sense into you.
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>>8650882
>No, I mean weather.
No, you really don't.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=climate+or+weather

>Go look up Chaos Theory bud
Please. You think dosage and disgorging happens with no human intervention? Or are you still arguing that the "weather" (or climate as it's correctly referred to) is more important than whether you used prosecco or chardonnay

> I was right.
Sorry,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61234-2004Nov18.html

Oops! You sure look dumb now!

>Why don't you actually read what I wrote?

I read it. It's dumb. You're making too much out of climate and you're completely ignoring all the other stuff that makes AOC wine AOC wine, like agricultural methods (density, grape mix, etc), harvest methods, length of ferment, what adjuncts are permitted, etc etc. For the most part, occasionally dubious ones notwithstanding, these make an enormous difference in that thing you don't give a shit about, namely, the taste of the wine. Yes, the climate (yes climate not weather) is key, but you can't just plant a bunch of concord grapes in champagne, mix it with baking yeast, and call the resulting wine "champagne" like you're suggesting.

>it's because you're arrogant

I'm arrogant? You came in swinging with your "Please stop acting like you know what you are talking about. It's embarrassing." and then proceeded to lay out your abject ignorance about wine for all to see. I don't even like the fact that champagne grown in california is legally allowed to be called champagne, but if you're going to criticize something, criticize it correctly instead of being not only hostile, but also wrong. It just alienates the more knowledgeable people who might otherwise have taken your side.
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>>8650882
>>8650929
Thanks for turning youe shit flinging contest into the end of this thread. You're both idiots.
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Comes in a huge bottle, tastes nice and it's pretty cheap for how much you get + the quality of wine.

A nice, dry cabernet is usually my go-to wine of choice.
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>>8650882
>>8650929
I'm not even going to be a dick about it but you are both wrong on certain things. Champagne in California is sold as such because the us doesn't give a fuck about European wine laws. In France, only wines made in champagne can be called champagne, just like only bourbon from bourbon in the states is allowed to be labeled as such. In Certain European countries there are laws saying what you can define as a wine named after a region. You could never sell a wine in France labeled a burgundy if it weren't from burgundy. The reason behind this isn't only because of the climate,(and yes it's climate not weather, that's why even the best appalations produce poor wines and excellent wines in different years) it is also because wine producing countries have legal definitions on the methods you use to make your wine that falls in line with your region, to produce a similar product to the style of the region. You also have to remember you have the same people reselling the same way to create these wines to the newer winemakers so that regional styles are carried on.
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>>8652085
I don't see how any of that contradicts what I've been saying. I agree that the word "champagne" *should* be only reserved for AOC champagne, but it's factually wrong to say that it isn't, and extremely unhelpful to go around saying that if something says "champagne" that automatically guarantees that it's AOC french champagne. Stamping your feet and going "la la la I can't hear you" isn't going to change the facts.

My issue with the guy is he's got his head full of so much misinformation about AOC, about the laws concerning champagne internationally, etc, and yet that hasn't stopped him from passionately arguing the dumbest shit possible, like "prosecco tastes different than champagne on account of the eye-talian weather [sic]" or "it doesn't matter what the wine tastes like, the words guarantee authenticity"
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>>8647711
Literally the only non plebbian taste in reds in this thread.

Which Super Tuscans in particular? I'm partial to Solaia, even over Sassicaia and Ornellaia. Mind you, on the right year the Tignanello can also be spectacular.

I also have a taste for Barolo, Brunello, and Negroamaro.

Then for French reds I'm partial to Cotes du Rhone and Chateauneufs.

I still to enjoy a dry Shriaz as well though.
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>>8652053
That label reminds me of Concord Dawn album cover.
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The gayest kind
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Wine is for FAGGOTS
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>>8652835
>non plebbian taste in reds
>I'm partial to Cotes du Rhone
kek
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>>8653031
I'm not particularly well versed in French reds, by my own admission. In any case I typically go for Chateaunefs rather than the bottom of the hill.
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>>8653098
I get it. It's just funny to see you refer to others' pleb taste then enthuse about CdR, which is for many a training wheels French wine - something you encountered at the cute but overpriced bistro you went to once and liked, so you remembered the name. Don't get me wrong, it's good stuff in a good year, and an affordable indulgence. But it doesn't have the prestige of the better Chateaux from Burgundy or Bordeaux.

I was in my young 20's when a rich friend's dad gave me a tour of his cellar. He asked me what kind of wine I liked. I told him I liked Rhones. His response: "We can change that."
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>>8653121
>But it doesn't have the prestige

Who gives a shit about prestige? I drink what tastes good.
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>>8653126
Wines gain prestige by historically being complex. Complex doesn't equal good. Many simple wines are very good. But complex flavors are what people pay for, because they usually require age, and time is money. Part of developing your palate is gaining an appreciation for complex flavors. That doesn't mean you lose your appreciation for simple wines that are fucking delicious. It just means you learn what all the fuss is about when it comes to a Bordeaux from a good vintage with the right amount of bottle age on it.
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[spoiler]sake[/spoiler]
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>>8653177
hey what'd i do wrong
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>>8646310
Red wine.
I don't even like wine. I fucking hate it, it makes me want to gag. I just drink it because it makes me feel like a vampire drinking blood all classy and shit, amd that's not an experience anyone can put a price tag on.
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>>8653121
Fair enough, though I think my post made it fairly obvious that Italian reds are more my area of expertise than French.

>>8653157
I can agree with this. My favorite Italian red with enough cellar aging on it is Barolo, but it takes a long time to come into its own and must be decanted with extreme care once it's old due to forming massive amounts of sediment.

At release I'd take a Super Tuscans every time, but after 10-20 years a good Barolo will start to pull ahead of a similarly aged Super Tuscan (imho).
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>>8653211
Super Tuscans are fucking genius. Take the Bordeaux formula and make it Italian by adding Sangiovese. The only thing not to like about them is the price. And if you appreciate Super Tuscans it's no great leap to wrap your head around Bordeaux.
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>>8653121
>something you encountered at the cute but overpriced bistro you went to once and liked, so you remembered the name.

You are a turbo fag, not everyone has a rich dad who pays for everything. Some of us actually look at the price tag when we drink
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>>8653263
You got me wrong. I'm very price sensitive when it comes to what I drink. But I've also been in the business, which required me to learn about and taste many wines I'd rarely if ever shell out my own $$ for. And I've had a few rich friends with cellars over the years, and got to appreciate their generosity when they were showing off. And I consider myself lucky to live in a world where you can drink very well without dropping big $$. But anything with bottle age on it will still be expensive. And just because most of us can't afford to drink wine like that very often doesn't mean it isn't a wonderful thing.
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>>8652907
Bottle makes me think of this scary Dominican wine they sell in my neighborhood
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gik blue
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>>8646310
I like Chateau St. Michelle Johannesburg Riesling. It's a white wine, slightly sweet. An ex-girlfriend always bought that, it was breddy gud.

Generally speaking I dislike red wine, it just tastes weird.
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>>8646679
It's good to see the old traditions kept up.
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>>8646310

I don't have the most evolved wine palate, but I generally just go for a cab sauv.
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