Otome Kei Thread - The Return Edition

>>9529547
My normie Japanese friend Misako?

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The new Peppermint Fox release looks pretty cute. Will you be getting anything from it? How has their quality been lately?

>>9529553
These brands existed long before her and whatever she defines them as.

>>9529562
I'm hoping to get a couple. The quality of the last few has been good although I disliked her mystery seed and international flower release. I'm not a big fan of the unfinished wood look save for that fruit label one

>>9529566
Lookie I don't hate otome kei, I just think it's dumb to pretend ETC and JM are only otome kei brands as if the brands call themselves otome kei any more than they call themselves lolita and I think it makes you look delusional. But I'm not going to argue about this any further because I'm sure you've seen all the Japanese lolitas calling their JM and ETC coords lolita and you just choose to ignore it.

>>9529574
Not that anon but please don't start this. I've been dying to have an actual otome thread instead of soft lolita/neo lolita bullshit. Please please don't start the argument with them and ruin it

>>9529574
If you want to argue about "soft lolita" or "neo lolita" or whatever term Misako or RinRin Doll made up, you're welcome to go to the mess of a thread that is trying to discuss and define that. Do not shit up this thread again.

This is a place to discuss releases from these brands for those who care.

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I wanted to discuss leather choices from the brand Jane Marple, since they're one of the only brands that make purses, shoes, and wallets out of real leathers.

JM bag materials translate to "cow hide" and "steer hide". There's also a pair of shoes from the brand that has this description translated:

>Goat leather insole / horse leather
>Supplied leather called Laxie, which is supple, soft and durable, strong against friction.

What exactly is "Laxie"? I don't think I've ever seen it before. What is also the difference between all these leather choices? Cow hide, steer hide, horse leather, and goat leather?

Is there a reason to use such a variety of different leathers and materials, instead of "synthetic leather" like a lot of lolita brands?

>>9529618
>What is also the difference between all these leather choices? Cow hide, steer hide, horse leather, and goat leather?
It's mostly a difference at the feeling when you touch them, horse leather is also more flexible.

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Favorite off-brand shoes? Mine are pic related, pretty comfortable and I get compliments pretty frequently.

>>9529685
I wish I'd bought 10 of these because I love them so and am afraid for when/if they wear out

>>9529618
As the other anon said, different animal leathers have a different feel, but also have different properties in terms of durability, stretch, etc. For example, I think horsehide is meant to be more stain resistant, and cowhide takes dye more easily.

Using real leather over synthetic is because real leather is much more durable, so the shoes will last you years longer than any AP shoes. The downside is that they're more expensive, but in terms of investment they're definitely worth it.

>>9529685
Last summer I lost my pair of these somewhere, somehow, and I'm still sad about it.

>>9529562
I'm worried as the last pieces I bought weren't true to colour at all and didn't match as I'd hoped. Wish I'd picked up their marmalade(?) ones they had out recently.

>>9529685
where can I buy some of theses at?

>>9530446
Reversal google image search, friend. They're Jane Marple.

>>9530446
Target, many seasons ago. You can't get them anymore.
>>9530495
You're a walnut and bad at Google search.

>>9530502
Do you happen to know the brand?

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noob question here, why is Leur Getter on average about 10k yen more expensive than ETC? Do they use better/more fabric or better trim or something?

Leur Getter has a sale up right now, but that just brings the prices to about the same level as ETC.

>>9531469
ETC used to more expensive but lowered their prices around the same time they started to release less of their own prints (tough it seems they do release more original prints again now). I don't now why Leur Getter's non-original prints are so expensive, like the flower prints they make with free stock art.

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>tfw you will never be able to afford jane marple unless you sacrifice all other hobbies

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>>9531501

So basically not a lot of difference other than some marketing decisions, then.

Thanks for the helpful answer, anon. Guess I have to think hard about buying this dress, I really like it but the skint in me keeps pointing out it's still expensive even on sale.

>>9531745
Secondhand LG is reasonable if you can find the prints you want. But materially there's little to no difference between ETC, JM or LG despite the 10-20k price differences between each. You only start seeing a difference the older you go (minus LG of course) and depending on what your favorite fabric type is.

>>9531469
?? Retail they're basically the same. LG op 30k ETC op 28k.
Secondhand, ETC has been around a lot longer and has a lot more plain filler pieces, so it's cheaper.

>>9531817

Thank you for the confirmation. I'm still looking for a floral LG dress, might just bite the bullet and get the bear one new.

>>9531953

You have a point, I suppose the 2xk and 3xk was a bit misleading to me. Still, a fair number of the LG dresses are over 30k and a fair number of ETC dresses are sub 20k.

>>9532125

Whoops, mean to type sub 30k, hit the next button. Sorry.

>>9529583
Hey anon and OP, I'm really glad you made this thread. I'm on mobile but I'll dump some of my favorite otome coords soon.

>>9532125
There are no dresses on the ETC net shop under 25,000 and most are 27/28,000

>>9532273
LG is currently having a sale, 30 dresses and most are under 21,000

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Is there such a thing as oldschool otome kei?
Does anyone have pictures from when it was starting?
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>>9532593
I don't have any available but I remember there being some amazing Jane Marple ads from the late 80s/early 90s in this thread >>9474289

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Does anyone know the brand that bag belongs to that Misako has? It does suit otome kei.

>>9531720
You should have invested in ethereum when you had the chance. I bought $10,000 when it was cheap and cashed out when it hit $400.

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>>9532289

There's a handful at 25+++ yen actually, and the dress I was looking at is the butterfly jsk at 24k yen

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>>9529583
>>9529594
I'm sorry, I just wanted a thread to discuss terminology, not an ageplay wank fest. I just really miss daily ala mode and having all those type of coords in one easy to find place.

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>>9533605
To be clear I'm not the anon you were replying to

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>>9533608

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I think TheBlackRibbon carry some otome pieces as well. Pic related.

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Wondering if anyone has favorite otome taobao stores? I know of Bacio Bouquet, but they're being kind of boring right now, so I was hoping to see some other brands doing interesting things.

Mini Bacio Bouquet dump to start us off with

>>9537319
I'd love some recommendations for other taobao stores too.

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>>9537319

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>>9537338

ok, some of their model photos are a bit lolzy...

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>>9537379

Last one.

>>9537319
Cat's Broom though they also do lolita releases. The latest release is more otome though.

>>9537363
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>>9537381
I really don't like this makeup trend....

I asked this in the general thread but didn't get an answer so sorry for double asking... But, what are some plus size friendly otome brands? I have the jugs of a Swedish milkmaid so I need lots of shirring. TIA!

>>9538535
Etc has some fully shirred OPs and skirts

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>>9537619

Wow, cute stuff. I regret missing the pizza dress. The navy version for that looks gorgeous.

Thanks, anon. Looking at their Find the Cat series now.

>>9538535
I've often seen people say Leur Getter is forgiving/ has a lot of pieces with back shirring, but I've never seen a person above "average" in size wearing a LG dress so I've no idea what it'd look like or if it's actually feasible.

>>9538618
What's otome kei about pizza tough?

>>9538619
There's back shirring but you'd end up looking like an overstuffed sausage if you're overweight. Sure you might fit but that tube bodice sure as hell won't be flattering.

>>9533341
It's Milk, she mentioned it in a YouTube vid

>>9538622
Nothing inherently, but that dress has the cut/silhouette/styling, and otome isn't limited on themes

>>9538641
I thought the whole point of otome kei was that it was about an aesthetic and feeling, not silhouette and cuts

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>>9538622
>>9538684

Actually, now that you mention it, I just noticed that everything in the shop is marked as LOLITA. There seems to be a really obvious difference between some of the dresses being longer, fuller and generally more formal, and releases like this and the cat-owl dress being almost non-lolita, though.


But to clarify your original question. There's nothing really inherently otome about pizza (I think?). But look at this dress. It's so cute. The blue is so blue and the pizza is so pizza. This is going on my wishlist for sure, though I don't know if I'll ever find it. tl;dr, just me gushing over a pretty dress.

>>9538535

You'll get better advice if you post measurements. It's not like people are going to recognise you anyway, but at least they'll be realistic about which dresses might fit you.

For what it's worth, I find back-shirred LG and ETC looks pretty good on me. I've a 95cm bust, 160cm height, pear shape.

>>9538622
Think otome-kei in terms of Milk quirky or like >>9537319 ETCs Popcorn prints.

>>9538837
I don't think those are very otome kei-like either, if you look at it that way any dress can be otome as long as it's not sexy.

>>9538707
Well my bust is 110 cm, my waist is 90cm, and I'm 180cm tall. Very hard measurements for any j-fashion... But I am working on slimming down!

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>>9538695
I-is she rolling up the pizza slices on her plate??
Why would you do such a thing?

>>9539270
Looks like pieces of meat instead of pizza.

>>9538535
Fully shirred ETC and some ETC jsks with shirring. I've tried a couple of Leur Getter jsks (I have a 98 cm bust) and I don't recommend them. You can get it on but it isn't comfortable.

In terms of indie otome, Peppermint Fox is expanding their sizing to be more plus sized friendly and Mullberry Chronicles offers custom sizing but you need to be fast about it.

>>9538842
I've never heard of a dress needing to be "otome-kei" like in print. It's about how you style it and how the overall appearance looks.

>>9539270
looks like chicken wings

>>9538618
that blouse is gorgeous

>>9539462
If it has such a modern print it affects the aesthetic.

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>>9538842

That's the main reason otome can't just be shoved into lolita, it's really more like mainstream clothes, but with a more playful, girly flavour to everything. Usually the style sits somewhere between outright lolita (which really hits you on the head with the frills and girly prints, even in casual lolita), and mainstream clothes (in which even girl's clothes can be so plain they're almost unisex).
Unrelated to that, Leur Getter's new print is Sweet Cat.

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>>9540126

jsk

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>>9540127

skirt

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>>9540129

Petit Ribbon accessories

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>>9540132

That's all.

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>>9538842
I'm not sure if you follow Milk a lot or occasionally even brands like ETC, but weird stuff in the veins of pizza prints have been done before. Milk's had a sort of vintage bra print, ETC has had a catfood print, popcorn prints and so on.

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>>9540150

>Emily Temple Cat

This has to be the cutest shit

>>9540150
I do follow them, quite closely, but if you all consider that otome kei I guess I don't know what otome kei is. Imo it's not about what the brands release but more about the aesthetic.

>>9539270
That's chicken on the plate anon

Anyway, as it happens, folding your pizza is actually an Italian as fuck thing to do. The thin traditional style is usually on the floppy side rather than super crispy.

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>>9540126
I don't know how to describe it, but otome prints and dresses are so easy to tell apart from lolita for me. They are more like mainstream clothes, the cuts and designs of the dress are similar and the prints are quirky and odd. Otome reminds me of ImYourPresent's party dresses.

Not that otome dresses can't be worn in lolita and vice versa, but it isn't the same as lolita.

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>>9540773

I think that's exactly where the new people trip themselves up. They'd look at a not-special-print dress from Jane Marple and think it looks way too normie to deserve a "alt jfashion" label. So then they end up focusing way too much on whatever doesn't look like normie fashion, which tends to be the custom exclusive prints. They just end up confusing themselves because they can't see the difference between one pretty printed otome dress and another printed lolita dress.

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>>9541721
Isn't this the reason why a lot of people starting out in lolita only focus on main pieces? Otome is so heavily reliant on the entire outfit coming together with the correct "feel" that it's not surprising anyone who hasn't put together a bunch of outfits would have a ton of trouble with it.

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>>9541721
Otome to me has a totally different vibe than lolita. Lolita is inspired by Victorian, rococo, historical clothing. But otome inspiration to me comes from between 40s and 60s. Lolitas are supposed to be princesses, but an otome girl is a quirky protagonist from a 40s or 50s period novel. Lolita is the movie Kamikaze Girls, and otome is the movie Amelie

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>>9529547
What do you think about this matching bag prints trend with Jane Marple this season?

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>>9541860

These matching bags have always confused me, like do girls keep the bag around solely to sometimes wear with the one print dress/skirt that goes with it? They look kind of really specific to match with other things in terms of colour and theme, even given that otome isn't really into being matchy-matchy

>>9541788
Didn't Novala Takemoto use otome all the time tough? I remember someone said his stories even made otome kei a more popular term.

>>9541860
I don't know if it can be called a trend if they've been doing it since years ago, or did they stop doing it for a long time?

>>9541923
I suppose it's more like something in otome that's still current that I don't see get brought up a lot. Otome doesn't seem to be matchy-matchy, but we're often given the option to be quirky-matchy beyond lolita with prints on even bags. They confuse me similar to what >>9541910 has said about them.

My thought is that they could be used alone if you want the print on something that isn't clothing. However, in photos like >>9541860
they tend to coord them altogether.

>>9541942

I think in brand shoots like >>9541860 and >>9541742 the items from the same series will tend to get grouped together, like >>9541742
is actually a blouse + skirt + matching bag -- it's a little odd to make a blouse and a skirt in the same print and not intend them to be worn seperately instead of straight up making an OP and be done with it. It's probably modeled together for the "what's new" section of their blog so girls can see the new series includes all these items.

There's probably someone out there who can make these print bags work in their own coords. Maybe a mostly solids coord that matches the colours and then theme is reflect in the jewellery and accessories? Then you'd get a quirky not-matching outfit that still soft of goes together?

>>9541986
>Maybe a mostly solids coord that matches the colours and then theme is reflect in the jewellery and accessories
Sounds matching to me

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>>9541990

A bit, yeah, but if you don't want to look like a colour blind clusterfuck I think some small effort towards some minor colour matching is needed.

I just realised we could probably look at how people style their Cath Kidston ads for some inspiration on how to coord printed bags, since that brand is famous for printed bags. Thoughts? I realise that it's definitely more of a normie brand so we might lose the quirkiness if we follow it too closely, but they seem carry the printed bags look so easily.

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>>9542051
I definitely like this and think this is what JM would want. Instead of emphasizing the print on the dress itself, have the bag be the accent.

I think they also want you to make use of things like their cardigans and other non-dress or skirt items.

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>>9542191

Sounds good to me too.

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Seems like the Jane Marple sale is this weekend -- except it doesn't list the online shop? Does the online shop go on sale at a different time or maybe not at all?

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>>9544401

And whilst browsing their old stuff to see what go on sale, I came across this.

Does this look a bit too nomie to anyone else? I kinda feel like if this wasn't Jane Marple it'd just come across as 90s teen fashion.

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>>9544409

Adding a couple more. How do you define when an outfit goes from normal to otome?

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>>9544420

All right, I'm out. I just wanted to post this because I wish I could wear this to my office.

>>9542191
this bag in black is on mbok at the moment

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>>9529547
Would people consider Misako's casual style otome or not? She uses a lot of MILK and ETC but her outfits tend to be super matchy. Tbh I notice on wear.jp that a lot of Japanese coords are matchier than the West perceives otome as from brand ads especially with MILK - maybe because a lot of their items easily lend themselves to being styled in a normie way?

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>>9545244

You know, I wonder if the rise of "soft lolita" is simply because people found it much easier to wear otome in lolita-style coords? One of the hardest things about putting together otome coords is walking the fine line between "nothing matches but I'm hella cute" to "I'm colourblind, halp".


To be really honest with you, there's a lot of Milk stuff that looks so mainstream, I'd probably miss it. Like pic related comes straight from their blog, but if I'd seen it on wear.jp I'd just assume maybe there's a Milk accessory instead of the whole head-to-knees outfit being Milk.

>>9545244
Misako calls it casual lolita a lot of the time.

I think fashion in Japan just tends to be a lot more matchy matchy generally. Especially for girlier styles. If you walk down the street you'll see that even in normie styles people like to do things like match their socks to their skirt or something.

>>9545244
Just because someone wears ETC doesn't make it otome, it's casual Lolita

>>9545723
japanese fashion is actually known for mixing things
and some of them consider red a neutral colour on par with black and white which gives combinations westerners find weird/creative but to japanese makes sense

>>9544401
The online doesn't go on sale as far as I know, because the percentage of sale (and possibly which series go on sale, I can't remember) differs from store to store. It's usually 20-30%.

>>9546618

Awh, that's disappointing.

Thanks for the helpful info!

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Would this pass as otome?
Or is it too normie?

(Since I posted in the wrongness thread whoops)

Are there any fb or other such groups that specialize specifically in this particular look? All the ETC tumblrs are dead and I want a centralized place where I can see these outfits without wading through casual lolita or larme or what have you (or all the CoF comments about something not being lolita enough).

>>9550708
just use the tags on insta

>>9550708
There's a facebook group called Otome Closet

>>9550311
it's very cute, I guess with a contrasting cardigan and good accesories it can make a nice coord.

>>9550714
It's super dead

>>9550708
I think it's time we revitalized the style in FB groups. We really just need more focus on the Otome brands in general, since not even Lolita Updates will cover a lot of them.

>>9551138
How do you decide which brands are otome?

>>9551138
Both otome groups (closet and discussion) are so dead, and this thread is barely hanging in there. I'm not sure you'll get the liveliness you want.

>>9551387

Did they really die just because some anons on here claimed the style never really existed? That's kinda hard to believe.

>>9551417
I think these threads used to be more lively because a lot of failed lolitas and ''there are no rules'' lolitas thought otome kei was perfect for them, but then they realised people nitpick in otome kei threads too plus they can just use the casual lolita and soft lolita tags so they lost interest.
>some anons on here claimed the style never really existed
From my understanding, a lot of people who love otome kei believe that as well, but are fine with it being a Western thing now.

>>9551417
>>9551475
I don't think people claiming that "otome isn't a real Japanese style" is the issue, more that otome kei is harder to do in the sense that it isn't as matchy matchy as lolita and is still nitpicked as the other anon said. It's harder for people to distinguish between otome and general jfashion, so it's discouraging.

I also feel there isn't as much interest in the brands (compared to AP, baby) so there isn't as much discussion.

>>9544409
JM, especially the Dans le Salon range has always released 'normal' clothing. If you go through y!j you can see there are heaps of regular shirts and pants that they've released.

The dls range is meant to cater toward older women, ie. people who were normal, sensible clothing, hence why it's so regular.

>>9551531
wear*

>>9551138
I own quite a lot of stuff from otome brands (mostly ETC and MILK) but I'm always hesitant to post because my style is more matchy and I mix in a lot of lolita pieces. I don't want to post something wrong so I just never post.

>>9551531

Aah. That makes sense, not just for Jane Marple, but also explains how JetJ sometimes does very normie-looking stuff for their older-aged clientele. Thank you for the explanation.

>>9550710
I do cruise ig tags, I was hoping more for a community sort of thing. Though it's arguable how "community"-driven something like CoF actually is versus a parliament of asspats. And I dunno how much discussion there is to be had given the state of this thread.

I just loved looking through the etc/otome tumblrs as a pick-me-up because everything was in one place and more or less curated.

>>9551867
I used to have a tumblr for ETC and JM style but I only had 50 followers so I deleted it and kept my Lolita tumblr

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In an effort to generate more discussion:

A few anons in the Unpopular Opinion thread were discussing renaming lolita fashion as otome kei, as otome has 'died off'. Thoughts?

Do you think matchy-matchy otome should be more accepted? It isn't uncommon for the Japanese girls I follow on Instagram to wear matching coordinates, but would that bring it too close to soft lolita? Is it necessary to be a complete seperate category, or is it ok to be a vague crossover?

What are your favourite otome instagrams or tumblrs?

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>>9552179

I always thought there was a very obvious place where they overlap, and that un-matching coords was optional, not an actual point of the fashion. I thought being un-matching was just a quick way to be quirky and eccentric, because a fully matching coord can look boring -- much like lolitas complaining about wearing fullsets.

It's soft lolita that confuses me, like did it really need a new label to it's where lolita and otome meet, or it's just the lolita rules done with non-lolita things and results that don't quite look like lolita, or just a way to get normies started in the fashion without going full escapist Victorian doll, idk.

>>9552179
>>9552720

Oh, and as for renaming lolita fashion. Didn't we already try quaintrelle and Alice kei? I think lolita is stuck with that name now, good luck changing it.

I don't really mind if lolitas decide to try some otome brands, whether they wear it for otome or lolita (or soft lolita). I'd probably only get annoyed if lolitas try to give otome fashion advice using lolita aesthetics, really.

>>9552179
>It isn't uncommon for the Japanese girls I follow on Instagram to wear matching coordinates
Are they really going for otome kei though? I think when someone wears JM/LG/ETC it mostly depends on whether the wearer is a lolita or if she coorded it with otome kei in mind.

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>>9552720
What bothers me about that image is that most things in the otome kei circle also go with lolita these days. The only things not accepted in lolita now is shorts/trousers and no petticoat, but even no petticoat is accepted by some girls as casual lolita.
Soft lolita really isn't that confusing, see pic related.

>>9552720
I feel like matching otome coordinates have been accused of being casual/toned down lolita instead, to the point now that it feels necessary for an otome coordinate to not-match in order to make the distinction.

>>9552772
I'm not sure if I'm interpreting this wrongly, but it feels like soft lolita just overlaps with otome? Both are based around the 'feeling' of wanting to be cute young lady whilst being casual. Could soft lolita just be the "japanese" term for otome (considering the whole ~no japanese people actually call it otome~ thing)

>>9552769
They don't specifically tag otome, but they are not lolitas. So I would say they do dress with otome in mind? It's hard to tell since they don't have a name for their style, but I think it reflects what we think otome is.

>>9552772

This is the confusing part about soft lolita, it references lolita, then almost immediately strips away the petticoat and swaps out kneesocks for crew socks or sandals and further removes most of the accessories and fancy bits. So basically, it's kind of lolita without all the defining bits that would otherwise break a lolita outfit?

As for the Venn diagram, I think it doesn't really start to break down unless you start thinking mostly about casual lolita. A properly lolita outfit will, most of the time, end up with so many more ruffles and frills than an otome one, if you start mixing up colours and themes willy nilly the outfit is likely to look confused and ends up being nitpicked to death, even if it's a proper lolita outfit. And when you get towards the casual side of lolita, that is where there's an overlap with otome anyway.

Idunno, all of the themes so far -- otome, lolita, soft lolita, they all seem to come from a vaguely similar place, just with some difference in approaches. I guess it's not really surprising that they bleed into each other. I don't know if we necessarily need to draw a defining line where they can only be one or the other, or maybe we can just acknowledge that there's a spot where otome looks like soft lolita looks like casual lolita, and they kind of blend together there?

>>9552882
You have to realise lolita is not only clothes to understand it, it's something that you are. Misako knows those coords aren't actually lolita coords, if it had all those elements she would call them sweet lolita or just lolita instead of soft lolita. Soft lolita is not "real" lolita.

>>9552720
Here's the biggest difference I see between Otome Kei and Soft Lolita:

Otome absolutely is brand heavy compared to "Soft Lolita".

Soft lolita is almost as it sounds and should be a totally different style/approach. It's a soft, vague take on lolita. Because ETC looks kind of like lolita, it's acceptable as "soft lolita". Because Larme looks kind of sweet at times, some of it is acceptable in "soft lolita". It's also worthy of note that Misako is kind of defining her personal casual style.

I think if you want to be really matchy, like in OP's pic, it's acceptable as well. It's just closer to "soft lolita" because it gets matchy.

>>9552956
>Misako is kind of defining her personal casual style.
When she wears LG, JM or ETC she normally calls it casual lolita. I think she wears it with a petticoat though.

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otome dump incoming

i think the key difference between otome, soft lolita and lolita is the matchy matchy ness

misako with her matchyness would be soft lolita

but something like the coordinate would be otome

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>>9553736

horizontal and vertical stripes
brown and black
different shades of blue

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>>9553737

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>>9553739

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>>9553742
old SO-EN ad using multiple argyle style in mustard

misako's soft lolita uses far more pastel and traditional lolita colours which makes it different from otome kei

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>>9553744

more so-en

even with the petticoat it doesn't look lolita because of the styling with the hat and pearl necklace and bob hair

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>>9553748

3 different JM coordinates for the same print

notice all the socks have patterns, the use of wine as a neutral even when its not on the print itself and mixing brown and black

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>>9553751

less known brand, nebarandoo which is strongly influenced by shoujo artist Kishida Harumi.

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>>9553756

polkadot belt
can dress
cookie socks
bold colours

everything coordinates, but doesn't match which exemplifies otome kei i think

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>>9553758

more nebaraando

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>>9553759

bunny print
stripe socks
yellow cardigan even though it has no yellow in the print, but yellow is a complement to purple

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>>9553762

rare instance of otome kei on a male figure
clever mixing of 3 different type stripes

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>>9553765

patterned bustier are popular in otome kei so you can have different bodice from skirt from blouse which gives more exciting coordinate

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>>9553767

houndstooth tights in grey
bunny print dress
polkadot border
hot pink cardigan with yellow
khaki headthing is knitted and not tulle lace

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>>9553772

shirley temple coordinate
alice print in pink
black and white socks with ribbon and dot pattern
black hat

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>>9553775

red knit zipper jacket
squrriel skirt has no red but brown squirrels
socks are in black and white with dots and

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>>9553776

nebaraando twinning

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>>9553777

emily temple cute ad
drop waist stripe jsk in mini length
beige pleat boxy jacket
rosette accessory is placed at the bottom instead of top unlike most lolita

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>>9553783

blue ruffly jacket thing
green and red strawberry column dress

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>>9553784

otome style meetup
lots of hats
lots of bold colours
no one matches each other but look distinctly in the same genre

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>>9553786

retro jane marple ad

gingham print
vegetable print
bustier + culottes

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>>9553788

castle t-shirt OP with bubble hem
stamp tights

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>>9553792

genre mixing

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>>9553795

stripes and ducks

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>>9553800

nebaraando

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>>9553804

otome meetup

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>>9553813

retro jane marple ad

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>>9553817

gingham shirt
chicken embroidery jsk
denim jacket

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polo theme OP
parfait tights

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>>9553827
a bit more matchy
but the dots with biscuits is cute and also the satin ribbon on felt texture mix

>>9553817
This is a Viva You ad (says at the tops, and with all garment credits)

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>>9553829

more stripey mix

>>9553833
sorry my mistake, it's in my jane marple folder

it does carry similar aesthetic though

>>9553788
These items are from MILK

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>>9553835

running leggings with etc ribbon ballet shoes
also check out the ribbon hoodie pocket

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>>9553840
i have them saved as jane marple its from this ad series

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>>9553844

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>>9553846

dark mint and wine

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>>9553848

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>>9553853

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>>9553854

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>>9553856

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>>9553858

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>>9553859

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>>9553861

a lot of really nice coordinates from Interval blog

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>>9553867

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>>9553874

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>>9553875

library blouse

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>>9553878

nebaraando

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>>9553879

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>>9553881

mis-match blues but it looks good because of contrast texture

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>>9553883

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>>9553894

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I'm an Otome n00b. I recently feel in love with and subsequently ordered my first ETC dress (pic related). Unfortunately right now I'm coording it in a "lolita" way, with lots of color balance. (like this outfit >>9545244 )
However, I'd really love to coord it more like these outfits...
>>9541788
>>9541796

Problem is the dress is so pastelly and almost reminiscent of IW, that it's hard for me to process it as otome. I feel like my favorite "unmatchy" otome outfits are more deeper, almost jewel tone colors. I'm just totally lost on what sort of pallet to choose from and what colors to pick.

I'm also kind lost on what kind of accessories I need...I'm so used to like making sure that I have earrings, necklace, bracelet, rings, a headdress...and I feel like otome is a lot more sparse with accessories. Any ideas on how to easily switch between a lolita and otome mindset? Or brainstorms on good colors to coord this OP with? I can post what my first outfit with it was if anyone wants.

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>>9553896

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>>9553899

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>>9553898

maybe introduce a contrast colour or texture to block it and make it less matchy

and maybe a pattern like a polkadot

pic related, patterned coat in olive

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>>9553908

>>9553908
im a dumby and didnt even think of using a color wheel but as soon as you said contrasting color it came to me hah. A dark olive would be perfect and would give me the jewel tones I crave. Thanks!

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>>9553912

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>>9553913
i think wine would also look very good

maybe also a waist ribbon in a different fabric or even in metal or leather, jane marple does it a lot

pic related gold chain

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>>9553921

lolita and otome

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>>9553924

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>>9553928

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>>9553929

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>>9553931

>>9553788
This is just amazing. Vegetable print and themed clothing is so great.

>>9553751
Thanks for the dump but Misako also uses shades of red as a neutral

>>9553844
These items are also MILK, anon.

>>9553935
Loving this dump, thank you anon! I'm inspired to add more colours to my wardrobe.
I feel like it pushes the notion that otome has to be unmatchy/clashing in order to distinguish itself from casual and soft lolita however.

>>9554233
Why does it have to distinguish itself from casual and soft lolita at all?

>>9554237
Because for whatever reason in the west we're obsessed with fashion fitting into neat little boxes.

>>9554237
You can use the terms interchangeably, nothing is stopping you.

>>9552928
>>9552956

Oohh. With your combined powers I think I get it now. One sounds too much like wishy washy wannabe lolita at heart and the other sounds superficial, but once it's combined: Soft lolita is an outfit that isn't really lolita, but has a the feel or reminds you of lolita, and you wear it because you like lolita and this reminds you of that other thing you like.

Interesting. And thanks.

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Thinking of getting this rockability style dress for a coord (I am a sucker for kitten prints) could it work for Otome? yay or nay?

>>9555686
Nay. It looks so cheap and tacky

>>9555711
What's so tacky about it?

>>9555686
Is this a replica of a Milkim dress?https://otakumode.com/shop/575f6fed8fbc72fd43c411df/milklim-Strawberries-Cats-Dress

>>9555686
I think that's pretty cute, the only part that isn't very otome is the halter neck.

>>9556013
Nm, just found out it IS an Otome dress, or rather a replica of one from the brand Milklim, which explains the weird halter neck on this version rather than on the original. I can't believe trying to find loliable/otomeable shit on Etsy led me to a direct Otome replica! Since when did they start making replicas of Otome prints instead of just Lolita??

>>9556150
I'm not sure if this is a troll

>>9556228
What's trollish about that post? Did you not see:

https://otakumode.com/shop/575f6fed8fbc72fd43c411df/milklim-Strawberries-Cats-Dress

>>9556318
Milklim is not an otome brand, that fabric is easy to find and has been used by other brands, and most obvious: they make replicas of everything

>>9556320
I know its generally a Fairy Kei brand but that dress is obviously Otome and not Fairy Kei so I figured they also dabble in Otome sometimes?

...Hmm so if the print and fabric isn't really unique should I just buy the Etsy replica version? The real one is sold out on TOM unfortunately and believe me usually I wouldn't be caught dead in a replica but considering what you just said about that fabric in particular not being unique and thus it wouldn't be art theft, would it not be so bad to do it this time around?

>t. lolita new to other types of J-fashion

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So how would one coord THIS particular ETC deer dress? Would those fawn collars work with this or are they too fancy?

>>9556649
If it's commercially available fabric you're fine. I've seen this print in multiple Etsy shops, and they offer different cuts/regular straps.

>>9556731

I've always thought fawn fur was more of an autumn thing, not whether it's too fancy or not.

I'd coord this with a a simple cutsew and crew socks. I'm in the middle of a humid summer here though, guess if you're somewhere cooler you could try for a fawn collar or something.

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Dumping some stuff from the ETC autumn collection page that just went up

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>>9558351

File: Sponge-Flower.jpg (589KB, 824x615px) Image search: [Google]

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>>9558353

Actually I think this is already up

File: Sponge-Flower-model3.jpg (540KB, 824x615px) Image search: [Google]

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>>9558355

File: orange-swan.jpg (710KB, 824x615px) Image search: [Google]

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>>9558360

File: orange-swan-model.jpg (614KB, 824x615px) Image search: [Google]

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>>9558363

File: Ladybug2.jpg (664KB, 824x615px) Image search: [Google]

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>>9558367

>>9558370

ah. Thread hit the image limit. The rest is at
emilytemple-cute.com/collection.html


Or if someone makes a new thread I'll be happy to dump more images.

>>9556649
If I learned anything from otome threads it's that no Japanese brand thinks "let's make something for otome kei" ever

>>9558374
Please continue, anon! I made a new thread here >>9558553

>>9540189
This skirt was a dream piece of mine and it was sad to find that the cut is awkward and it felt cheaper than the other ETC pieces I own.