Neo lolita, soft lolita, otome, or whatever.. Girly stuff
New kitten print from ETC
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Cat army from milkboy
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>>9492899
where is this dress from? super cute
>>9492920
Emily Temple Cute
Why did otome kei threads disappear?
>>9494355
I was wondering that myself last night. I think it's a combination of people not knowing quite how to define it without argument, the rise of soft lolita/girly, and the simple fact that otome brands simply aren't as popular as lolita brands.
I miss the threads thought but I think it's a sin of the times that we haven't had one for almost half a year.
>>9494377
But I think you can post the same stuff in this thread
How would you coord something with a really thick elastic waistband like pic related? Does anyone have worn pictures of something like this?
>>9495327
I'm not sure if the waistband is the problem so much as the general sack shape of it.
>>9495329
It's not those specific mini shorts, but about the waistband
This is another example, tough my waistband is bigger and has the print on it. No matter how I wear it I just feel like it's really unflattering but I love the print so much.
Is girly streetwear in rinrin doll style welcome in this thread or not?
Does anybody know where that "doll" sweatshirt comes from btw? (sorry if it's a silly question, i don't know much about j-fash besides lolita)
>>9495346
yes, it's from the neo lolita collection of galaxxxy
>>9495346
here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-MmFzt-E2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX0kR58dzoI
Neo lolita and soft lolita are terms with no specific meaning and not many people use them. It's to describe the style of what lolita's wear when they're not wearing lolita basically, or lolita inspired clothes, or people who admire lolita but don't have actual full lolita coords so they add burando accessories to their casual clothes. Misako uses soft lolita, rinrin uses neo lolita and you can really see their personal style from it. Misako prefers the old brands that lolita originated from like Milk and the non-sexy larme coords, and rinrin feels more inspired by recent trends in harajuku (neo was a popular word in jfashion when she did that galaxxxy thing). I think most Japanese people just say something generic like girly style tough, but girly style also includes normie clothing.
a ~ neo lolita story ~ from Kera
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What is neo/soft lolita?
>>9496238
Wearing lolita items in a casual fashion, basicly doing the opposite of Casual Lolita.
>>9495390
I love the almost oldschool feel this has
>>9496238
Literally just explained in the thread
>>9492899
Neololita doesn't seem to be a movement, it just seems like what RinRin wears... and kinda just looks like basic pastelgoth.
Soft lolita and otome-kei just look like 2008 casual lolita to me, with less petticoat. I think soft lolita is a nicer name than otome though, since it doesn't separate the style from general lolita, making it more like a substyle. Plus, otome as we know it seems like a western fad, whereas japanese lolitas and brands seem to prefer soft lolita?
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>>9494377
I think people started narrowly defining otome kei which kind of defeated the purpose of otome kei. What was meant to describe a girly, feminine predecessor of lolita became as strict as lolita itself. People couldn't really explore outside of a 'set' look. Even though you would have this nebulous definition of what otome kei is supposed to be, you'd still bizarrely have a sticky of recommended brands and looks to emulate. While it did have good intentions, I found it stifling and boxed in which did not fit the spirit of otome kei well.
Anyways, I think soft lolita much better describes the westernised ideal of otome kei which is a more casual lolita.
>>9496899
It's not a movement but it's not only used by rinrin either.. There's only 1 issue of the online kera out so far and neo lolita is in it.
>>9496939
Ah, I see. I guess that makes sense, thanks for clarifying.
these new prints from ETC look like they could be really cute :)
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>>9496899
>and kinda just looks like basic pastelgoth.
How does this look Pastel Goth to you?
>>9497228
Probably the model's height but this looks more like the other lolita or just larme without the make up. Cute though.
>>9495362
I wish more people would get some 'girly style' coordinates together before they try full-on lolita. I think Misako refers to casual lolita as soft lolita in her book, doesn't she? Or some similar term.
More cutsews, using skirts and wearing less frilly socks and shoes. I really like the feeling of that more casual style on many girls.
Full lolita, especially the OTT stuff really doesn't suit many people nearly as well as this does and you can put together a soft coord easily with western sized items from regular shops with some careful shopping. I also think that when people outgrow their lolita fashion sense, this is still a very feminine way to dress especially with Larme magazine showing some more grown-up looks for people who like that too.
I've always thought otome-kei looks a lot like this, lolita's quirky older sister that is more casual and toned down but still both girly and a bit distinctive.
>>9497231
...Neo Lolita is in fact named after the book, just saying.
>>9497250
Source? I've seem it compared to neo gyaru as in neo was a buzzword to describe a new version of an existing style.
>>9497300
Nayrt but check in the tumblr tags, it's definitely the Nabokov version tagged as neo-lolita most often, so if the soft lolita/girly/larme/otome (whatever) was my style, I would not tag any of it 'neo lolita' because of that.
A shame but it is what it is.
>>9497242
Not everyone is drawn to lolita because its feminine, for some people they don't fall in love until they feel a real coord. When I got into lolita I tried to follow the advice about transition pieces in your everyday wardrobe and just felt awful and not myself, but when I tried my first full-on coord as a teenager I had that stereotypical "this is the real me!" reaction. I think the fact maistream girly fashion and some otome/larme is soft and demure and vulnerable-feeling while also being quite mainstream and palatable to men (esp. larme, where the mature angle usually comes from sex appeal) puts me off it, whereas lolita goes far enough to feel a bit rebellious and makes me less uncomfortable. I wear a lot of solids, but when I tried casual lolita and otome I really did not feel myself at all, and I can't ever see myself in something like himekaji. Different strokes for different folks and all.
>>9497328
Tumblr is totally irrelevant when it comes to jfashion. Pic related is neo lolita x punk. Maybe it's used both for nymphet fashion and lolita fashion inspired streetsyle.
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All the pieces with the book's logo/cover should be proof enough, don't you think?
>>9497373
Yeah so it's both things? Cause the mixing with actual lolita brands also happens.
Wow so much misinformation in this thread.
>>9497363
I agree that tumblr opinion is irrelevant in j-fashion but I still would not want to be lumped in with most of what is tagged neo-lolita, it's almost identical to nymphet there. J-fashion people that know better would know the difference of course but the majority of average people would not. We went through it with the lolita tag itself and it never has been completely free of the Nabokov stigma. Tag neo-lolita if you wish but be prepared for some unwanted attention due to most average people misunderstanding what your aim is too. That's all I'm saying.
Some people are completely not bothered by the association but for some people, especially many underage girls, it's not a welcome association.
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Care to enlighten us?
>>9497537
I'm not bothered by any of that. Isn't tumblr mostly porn blogs? Why would I go there to discuss neo lolita
>>9498236
Tumblr is a cesspit or sjw asspat circle mostly, yes. But people who are used to the tag on tumblr assume it has the same meaning on Instagram and everywhere else. Idk, with only the top five tags being broadly indexed, and one being associated badly, I'd choose something besides neololita as one of them, personally. But you and anyone else can tag your posts as you wish.
>>9498243
Right but when did this become about tagging? I want to discuss information from Japanese sources and see cute clothes in this thread. I don't give a fuck about tumblr or instagram.
>>9498282
What people call it is how people will tag it and how to find it, that's all. Words, meanings, stuff.
>>9495327
I'd go with a peplum cardigan or jacket. Liz lisa often has a wider elastic band bottoms and they style them similarly
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>>9498355
>They were always so interesting to read with a lot of good discussion points
Do you mean the shitposting about otome=casual lolita?
>>9498780
Lets be honest, pretty much all "discussion" on /cgl/ is shitposting and anyone who says otherwise hasn't ever had a good discussion to know what one is.
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Actually I meant anons posting translations and discussing shoujo culture and Japanese fashion history, which was closer to a year ago. There were plenty of shitpost "otome=casual lolita" talks as well of course, just like here. But there were a few really well read anons who consistently posted great shit too
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>anons posting translations
Where?
>shitpost "otome=casual lolita" talks as well of course, just like here
I think they are serious