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Summary of last thread
>Death of lolita discussion (dead_horse.jpg)
>Fix your shit Lolibrary
>A new magazine called Melt will be released by the GLB team
>Brand Hats
>Is carrying stuffed animals/dolls while wearing lolita ageplay?
>When are you addicted to buying lolita?
>New AP retro dot OP/JSK
>Is lolita becoming a costume?
>Brand sizing?
>What do you wear outside of lolita?
>Lolita is political thread on Rufflechat becomes a shitshow
Is lolita political for you, seagulls? Or are you just wearing pretty dresses?
For me, lolita is just clothes. I'm a feminist but I'm sick of sjw culture. Let me wear my clothes in peace. Being angry on Facebook isn't activism.
>>9470635
if lolita is just your clothes are you really a lolita?
>>9470650
Please just go to sleep and stop posting, I'm so tired of your one-dimensional lifestyler superiority complex.
>>9470653
what are you talking about? do you think I'm someone else?
>>9470654
There was someone posting a lot in the last general, the unpopular opinions thread and another thread - think it was a feels thread - about how lolitas who didn't only wear lolitaesque things, wore more than one substyle or had un-lifestyle hobbies were poseurs. Some of it seemed genuine and some was very blatant bait. I thought you were them, I apologise if you aren't.
>>9470659
I followed the last general, but I thought it was a discussion about why people choose not to wear lolita and nobody was called a poser. I didn't read everything and didn't look at the other threads you mentioned tough.
I meant more along the lines of this (and take into account I don't wear lolita every week either). If it's just clothes, why say you 'are' a lolita? Nobody says they 'are' otome kei. If lolita is your subculture it would make sense.
>>9470667
Because thats just how language works when concerning the fashion. A goth, to me, is someone who wears goth clothes. A lolita is someone who wears lolita coordinates. It's that simple.
I do more than just wear lolita clothes, I participate in discussions, I buy and sell clothes, and attend meetups. But it's still just clothes for me, I'm not doing it for feminism or for the patriarchy.
>>9470671
Well you were right when you told me to go to sleep tough, I can't really be articulate at this time. But I think because goth and lolita is a subculture you can say you are one and it's not just clothes.
>>9470676
I don't think there are enough lolitas to really have a subculture around it in the West. They can be part of otaku subculture, or of a wider alternative fashion subculture. But when you don't even have enough "serious" (=more than 1/month) lolitas in a city to fill a midsize bar, it's not a real scene.
>>9470659
but there is nothing lolita about being an aggressive feminist
the "lolita is feminist" delusion has been debunked sooo many times
theres nothing lifestyle about being an internet activist
Repeat threads are annoying (as well as noobs who don't use the search bar), but every time I see this girl comment it rubs me the wrong way. She's so needlessly aggressive.
>>9470710
When did I say that?
>>9470659
>who didn't only wear lolitaesque things
fuck
>wore more than one substyle
fuck
>or had un-lifestyle hobbies
fuck
guess i'm not a ~real lolita~ then, even if i have a wardrobe of 50+ burando main pieces, along with shoes and accessories
>>9470705
it is a scene and a subculture, just not in the way subcultures are normally defined (common music, partying together,...) It is more of an online based subculture, since many of our interactions are had via the internet, more than at the rare events irl.
If you think of subculture as a group of people who reject certain aspects and views of mainstream culture and created their own system of rules and norms that all of the members share, then lolita is most certainly a subculture. This doesn't even have to be obvious to all members, humans are pretty good at not really seeing the system they are in. But if you look at the rules about how to dress yourself, how much skin you are supposed to be showing and the reactions whenever some ita comes along and claims that going blouse less is completely ok, you can see the shared norms in action. Not quite as obvious is the shared believe that you can wear whatever you want if it makes you happy, no matter what the general public says, and that you wear clothes for yourself, not for others (broadly speaking, because of course there are instances when this statement is not true, at weddings or your job for example). This is quite different from mainstream fashion, where following trends, pleasing the opposite sex or impressing work colleagues is a big part. Meetups are another part of the subculture experience. I don't see a "girls that like Michael Kors bags"-meetup happening, yet for lolita it's an essential thing that is pretty unique to JFashion and subcultures in general.
Whether you like to wear lolita as a political statement or not, with being part of the community you are involved in some counter cultural act, no matter if you are aware of it or even agree to it.
>>9470710
>the "lolita is feminist" delusion has been debunked sooo many times
>>9470710
>>9470710
>Midori disagrees
>>9470705
Maybe it's a language difference but in my country it doesn't have to be like that to be considered a subculture. Sporty people, hipsters, transtrenders, foodies, neets... Basically any group that doesn't go along with the 'main culture' is called a subculture.
>>9471294
Are you one of those girls who didn't know what kawaii culture is? Lolita has been influenced by a lot of things, including feminism and kawaii culture. You're not automatically forced to be a SJW if you wear lolita, so you can rest easy.
>>9471294
>being this idiotic
>>9471298
that's also the sociological definition of subculture (although very, very simplified)
http://www.wunderwelt.jp/libre/en/
I was looking at this blog and tough there are a lot of articles that should be interesting for lolita, they have less than 5 views. Why is that I wonder? Do most people just not look outside facebook, do they only look at blogs of efamous people (but wunderwelt is now unknown..), are lolita not interested in reading about lolita?
>>9471301
Just because lolita was influenced by kawaii culture doesn't make it feminist, and kawaii culture itself has lost its edge since its being co-opted by the cultural mainstream as a marketing gimmick. Also Japan doesn't even have a concept of feminism the way that the west does, so I doubt that lolita fashion could be inspired by it.
>>9471316
Yeah and just because lolita was influenced by visual kei doesn't make it visual kei
>>9470667
>if lolita is just your clothes are you really a lolita?
>If it's just clothes, why say you 'are' a lolita? Nobody says they 'are' otome kei. If lolita is your subculture it would make sense.
I really don't think you meant it bad, but a lolita is just someone who wears lolita fashion according to anything I read by well respected lolita's or Japanese stuff. No one said you needed to go to meets or have "lolita hobbies" in order to be lolita.
And even if you think there needs to be more, considering we're all here talking about it, that means we do more than just wearing it instead of trowing it on, not thinking about it further. I mean, I don't go search online to talk about tees and jeans from the H&M...
>>9471328
The "subculture" of lolita fashion exists of meets, like tea parties and swap meets, and wearing the fashion, and some (online) talk. That's all there is really. Other "lolita lifestyle hobbies" are generally that, hobbies on their own, with the only connection a similar decadence.
Think of it this was, if non-lolita's who know nothing about it think "lolita fashion" when seeing it, it's probably part of it. But no one thinks lolita fashion as soon as you start sewing in general, because many seamstresses have nothing to do with it. Pretty much, other hobbies or lifestyle aspects need to have some strong connection to the subculture in order to be part of the subculture. Else it's just a hobby many people within the subculture like.
And even then, there is no need to have to do it all. Some thing are knock out criteria, like wearing the actual clothes. But others are not, like going to meets.
Same like how a metalheads needs to listen to metal to be a metalhead, but you don't need to have a battle jack or have worn corpse paint to be a metal head, even when they are strongly associated with the subculture. This is an example btw, I understand Heavy Metal subculture has nothing to do with lolita.
>>9471330
I guess metal is actually a great example. For people who just like to listen to the music, maybe attend a concert or two, metal is not a subculture, just a music genre they like to listen to. But for the people who wear band shirts almost daily, who go to several festivals every year, who are involved with fan culture, who maybe blog about their concert experiences and who have a lot of friends in the scene, for those it might be a subculture.
If you simply wear lolita clothes, without the whole community aspect and the deep involvement, it's not a subculture for you, but if most of your friends are lolitas, you organize and attend events, you have a youtube channel about lolita etc., it probably is.
I'm so torn right now, I stared lolita as a sweet lolita and slowly built up a decent sized wardrobe, but I've come to realise that sweet doesn't suit my face or body shape and that I look much better in classic. Classic lolita is what got my into the fashion, but I was quickly blinded by pastel colours and donut motifs. I'm thinking about selling most of my sweet stuff and starting over with a new, more elegant style, but I'm worried that I'll have sellers remorse or something. Anyone here switched styles suddenly? Any helpful words?
>>9471344
Consider this: most people look awkward in lolita. Even pretty girls in pretty dresses can give off an "why is she dressed like this" vibe, even to lolitas. So I would never ever change styles just because I look better in one over the other.
Lolita is about dressing in funny clothes because you love them. High-waisted dresses make me look a little fat, but I love them still.
>>9471344
>thinking about selling most of my sweet stuff and starting over with a new, more elegant style, but I'm worried that I'll have sellers remorse or something.
Switched from classic to gothic. I feel great. It was hard, especially for some harder to get brand items, but I just don't wear it. I've used the money exclusively to buy more gothic lolita, and right now, I'm just exited to get something pretty in that I will wear, which made the feeling of spending so much on clothes I don't wear and sell go away.
>>9471344
I've switched syles, the best thing I did. Just take a picture of the dresses you're selling. I wear lolita much more often since I switched to a style that suits me better. I also got really good deals by trading instead of selling.
>>9471344
Start slow and gradual. Sell a few pieces that won't match your future wardrobe, are the least cute/flattering, etc. buy a couple classic staples and a piece that is still somewhat sweet (think IW pastel floral or something). Work your way up to jewel tones if it works out.
I also recommend you keep your favorite sweet pieces and accessories. I don't wear gothic in general but I have one gothic piece and I love it to bits.
Lacemarket would be so much more useful if they let you post trades, why don't they??
>>9471344
Can you afford to have more than one style in your wardrobe? Having the options to pick between sweet, sweet-classic and classic depending on your mood might make you happier, and you can always sell a subsection if you realise you haven't worn it all year. I stick to 2-3 main styles and a fairly restricted colour palette, but I tend to go through phases of being interested in different aesthetics and wearing them a lot. I can't imagine trying to sell off all my non-gothic stuff and transition exclusively to gothic, then a few months down the line getting a thing for florals and having sold all my floral stuff. If you do it right it's not hard to have multiple styles in one wardrobe. You can sell bits of sweet gradually starting with your least favourite pieces.
One girl on the thread, Maggie I think? Said that no matter what, whether we like it or not, if we make choices we are feminists. I'm sorry? But? Bitch fuck off? You don't get to tell me what I stand for, what i.wear clothing for, etc. Making choices isn't a feminist thing. It's called being a human being but feminists will always have the ultimate victim complex and push others. She also admitted that it was a belief and not a movement. So, is Feminism a new religious or what? Because it sure seems like it. Don't push your beliefs on me and I won't talk shit. How bow dah.
>>9471601
This isn't the place for your anti feminist blog post tho
>>9471316
>Japan doesn't even have a concept of feminism the way that the west does
Thankfully
Anyone else excited for pic related?
>>9471617
bitch stop baiting already, nobody here wants to talk about politics
>>9471568
Just request it anon. I'm sure they are working on it though, it's been requested a lot. It's not like it's easy to do though.
>>9471623
This. I feel really uncomfortable when people try to associate my clothes with a political statement (any political statwment). I know people will judge you for anything, but come on. They're just clothes ffs. I wear them because I like how they look. If I wanted to make a point I'd donate to political campaigns.
I know it's bad form to lowball sellers, but what do you do when they're massively overpricing their shit? I've got my eye on some things from a seller who keeps relisting saying how desperate they are for an urgent sale, but the prices are absurdly high...like, they're selling a dress for $200 that usually sells for $50-130, with most old listings on LM being for about $75. They're also selling a really old piece for $200 claiming they want back "what they paid", when I'm 99% sure they bought it off a Fril listing where it went for $45. Is it rude to bring this up when haggling and offer them <50% of their list price?
>>9471568
I think a WTB section would be nice as well. Maybe someone has an item they are considering selling and knowing someone wants it would help.
>>9471634
Yeah, I just don't want to offend her by accusing her of lying, but I'm pretty damn sure she's lying about the one that was on Fril because I've never seen that exact cut and colourway sell on the Western market and she's in a group where the Fril listing was posted a few months ago. It's not a rare or coveted piece either.
>>9471636
Claiming she bought it on fril is rather rude. Just use the fril listing as a reference like "It recently sold for a lot less, so maybe you'd consider less?".
Does anyone have pic related (any cut, a light colorway) and have experience with washing it? I just bought it and it's in great condition except for some yellowing on the bodice. I want to give it a soak and wash with my usual method, but I'm afraid the red might run. If you've had it and cleaned it, what did you do and what was the outcome?
Does anyone know how to buy from riddle sheep? I really want this. You can tie the ribbons in different ways, it seems really fun.
>>9471652
That's really cute! I've never heard of that brand before though, sorry I can't be of help.
>>9471669
I found them on insta, there are so many cool Japanese indie brands on insta and twitter. I don't even know where to find prices or size. Kind of looks like it's just someone's livingroom too. This is their blog: http://besabesablog.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/
>>9471681
They probably sell at indie design fairs or deal through direct messages, a SS like tenshi might be able to message them for you.
>>9471629
Kek, I know exactly who you mean. She bought the majority of her stuff for really cheap and got greedy. Just wait till someone else sells the item you want.
>>9471734
She's not even from Europe or another country with crazy taxes, it's pretty silly.
>>9471724
Seconding this, try getting a SS to message them, or maybe message them yourself if they seem to know a little English?
>>9471622
Oh nice! I don't really pay attention to Excentrique but their fall collections are usually pretty interesting. Any other pics or links?
>>9471749
They won't release any more pictures yet, this is just a tease for the pre-order period that starts next week. I think you will be able to see sample pieces in-store during that time.
I think everyone needs to stop forcing everything as a "subculture". It just feels like pretentious special snowflakes are trying to make their interests seem important.
>>9471804
Either you're baiting or really dumb.
>>9471804
You just have a wrong definition of the word subculture
>>9470627
>mfw I'm from Hardy Boys state, live a few hours from them, and will never unsee this
In my opinion, anyone with half a brain should have figured out that no, politics should not be brought up on purpose at a lolita meetup unless everyone is really close friends. I mean, for some politics are a huge aspect of your life, I get that, but you can spare yourself from not talking about it for two hours, just like you can with everything else. We don't generally accept other things that cause debates in discussions, politics shouldn't be any different. Not all lolitas are left wing, or right wing, or whatever, and we all came into the fashion and it appeals to us for different reasons. Some people like the anesthetics, the elegance of some of the substyles, or like to "stick it to the man", or prefer it for the modesty of it (the pure clothes definition, not the attention definition). I am one of these people. I like wearing layers because I seem to get cold easier than other people, and if the fashion was like gyaru, it wouldn't appeal to me, full stop. I couldn't give a rats ass about the political end of it. I don't wear jeans because "I feel like being feminist today" even though feminism allowed me to wear them. I don't see my body and my choices as a feminist shrine where everything I do is a homage to it. The fact that people assume that people see lolita the same way is a stupid one. People base their love of lolita due to their own life and personal beliefs. A stereotypical red neck bigoted person and stereotypical SJW person may still both love lolita but for different reasons, regardless of what it may have started out as for some people they don't even know in a culture they are not a part of 30 years ago created.
I believe that lolita should stay out of politics, I really do. Lolita is not like punk, it didn't start out for people in the west as an ideal first, and a fashion developed around it. For a group of people are like "you shouldn't say or do things that make people uncomfy uwu" not talking about politics should be a no brainer.
>>9471869
>someone posts about politics/feminism in the general
>we move on from it
>someone brings feminism back up
>is told to shut up
>everyone moves on again
>other subjects get talked about
>someone posts a hella long blog about why she doesn't want to talk about politics/feminism
why
>>9471869
nice blogpost
also, you definition of politics is one that is about identity or taking sides. most people who define politics that way agree that it is not appropriate to use lolita functions as a platform for your political views.
meanwhile, the people who say lolita is inherently political mean politics in the sense of social power. it isn't about what you identify with, but what the effects your clothing choices have on the world around you.
90% of disagreement on this topic is over semantics. it is tiring.
>>9471874
>why
because you are dead, and this is the hell you deserve.
>>9471880
>90% of disagreement on this topic is over semantics
amen
Does ayone know when the next issue of Eternita is coming out?
When an auction says
身幅40cmくらい
Do they mean the bust or waist?
>>9471315
I didn't even know wunderwelt had a blog! This is pretty cool. Thanks for posting it, anon
>>9471623
Nice try but this is a political/feminism thread.
Read the title.
>>9471944
When it was the Meto edition no one talked about him
>>9471944
That's not how the _____ General: _____ Edition format works.
What japanese shopping service do gulls use? I'm looking to buy from yahoo japan. Also are there any that mark down parcels.
>>9472004
zenmarket is really cheap and marks down parcels (well you do), but they don't do personal sales like from fril, mercari, twitter etc. or in-store. If you want something from there or from a store you have to use tenshishop, momoirokumasan or something else, there are a ton. but for yahoo you can use zenmarket as far as I know.
>>9472004
I use Japonica, they will mark down if you ask.
Is the "suggested" length difference between a skirt and a cage skirt the same as the "suggested" difference in length between a skirt and a petticoat?
>>9472099
yes. The point is that you dont want it to show, so it cant be too close to the same, and if it is too short it will hang awkwardly.
>>9472064
French anon here. Iktf girl.
>>9472064
I'd rather pay high customs than $9,000 for my surgery lmao
>>9472004
I've been using FromJapan for years and prefer them to Japonica (easier to get stuff marked down to the exact amount you want, easier to make and manage orders) but their recent fee increases have made them very expensive to get small items. They order from Fril but not Mercari. I use Chibitenshi for Mercari, expensive dresses and when I feel like a sale might be dodgy since I know she'll do a good job at claiming money back from bad sellers if something goes awry.
>>9470627
the hero we need
>>9472246
How would someone even think it could be labeled as rare? Just because it was the popular color?
>>9472248
Because they're a greedy scalper
>$499
>>9472246
Dude i saw that shit and i was like
>helllllll theeee fuckkk NO
Like it came out last week, AP has low stock so it wasn't even a blood bath. Fucking greedy scalper
Seeing shit like this on someone's LM profile makes me never want to buy from them.
>>9472246
Haha, the seller can't even remove the comment. I hope they don't get any backlash though I wouldn't be surprised
Little bit off topic but does anyone know where to get cute loungewear that fits the Lolita aesthetic? I wanna start doing lifestyle and I can't find cute jammies
>>9470627
oh wow, I feel old seeing this.
>>9472316
you might find some cure stuff here: http://www.shirohatoshop.com/en/shop/r/r1006/
>>9470635
Jokes aside, but iktf. I can't help thinking that SJWs are the Alt-Left. Doesn't seem like many understand the concept of critical thinking and are self-congratulatory while internalizing racism/bigotry/misogyny/etc.
It's too late to go into a tangent about "the personal is political," but I can understand how people can tie their clothing choices/subculture identity with the more recent philosophies of feminism, even from the Japanese perspective which is kind of a far cry from Western views. I just hate it when people, especially if they're new explaining that lolita came out of feminism. Unless they're Valerie Steele, they need to BTFO.
>>9470660
kek
>>9472308
Cringe bio.
Had a less than pleasant experience with a buyer who threatened to file a claim because the blouse I sent took longer than expected to reach her.
I have tracked shipping and everything but it was just because the package didn't reach her for a month. I understand it's frustrating but shipping is really not in my control.
Tl;dr if a package is lost in shipping, who does PayPal side?
>>9472572
>if a package is lost in shipping, who does PayPal side?
better insure that shit... your hope is with the post office
>>9472573
Insurance doesn't cover everything though. Especially if the amount is high!
>>9472017
Zenmarket can buy from Fril, I've done it a few times through them.
>>9472430
Thank you!
>>9472572
If the parcel is tracked and you can therefore prove that you sent it out, I'm guessing Paypal would side with you. You fulfilled your part and it's not your fault if the post service is shit.
>>9472582
That's why you buy insurance to cover the total cost of the item....
>>9472572
It depends...if she got the package, then PP should side with you
If she never got the package and you haven't done your bit claiming the post office insurance / enquiring with the post office, PP will side with the buyer.
>>9472308
At least you know there won't be any animal blood in her clothes
Anyone know what fake name Rosaire is using now? Don't want to accidentally buy from it. Any other new info on it would be great.
>>9472316
Truly Darling is doing another preorder for their sleepwear.
>>9472623
They don't anymore, I tried last week
>tfw you can't have a jfashion/lolita board and con/cosplay board but they make /bant/
Have any brands released something mary stuart or scotland related?
Fuck shit, that non-passing MtF did another media interview about lolita and this time it's in that rag the Daily Mail:
https://donotlink.it/0xo9
>>9473042
One of the Taobao brands did a Scottish Bear print after British Bear got popular, you might be able to find it if you search lolita updates.
>>9473052
Thank you but I don't buy from taobao. I found some things from Jane Marple that would be good for casual days tough.
>>9473051
Frankly this is one of the better articles about Lolita I've read
>>9472004
I've had good experiences with tenshishop, but I just started using a shopping service this year because I've been nervous about it before. It really helps to have someone who actually messages you back in a timely manner.
>>9472917
My postal service only covers up to US$200 and sometimes that doesn't cover the costlier items.
>>9472928
Thankfully the buyer got the package but there was a lot of back and forth. She wasn't willing to wait until my postal service replied to me.
Honestly I'm a little wary of selling overseas now with the shipping issues.
Also should I leave neutral feedback for a buyer who threatens to file a PayPal claim over shipping delays? She was really passive aggressive at some point.
So what's the general concensus on fancy hospital?
Did anyone else order from Wunderwelt during their golden week promo? I was just wondering if they usually send out a message if an order gets canceled because I thought I purchased a blouse and they never gave me a confirmation for it.
>>9473103
I don't think there's a general consensus. Some people hate it and think it looks "ageplay-ish" either because of the print, the cuts or both; some people like the print but hate the cuts; and others love it. Make of it what you will.
>>9473115
I got my confirmation and tracking, no cancelled order message. (Hopefully my package will be here today.)
I would email them.
>>9473051
For a moment, I thought this was about Pat.
>>9473098
Definitely leave neutral feedback. I'm always nervous to ship international because of things that have happened to me and stories like this. I wish people would be more honest in feedback and describe everything.
Also dreamy perfume. I kind of like it.
>>9473165
The OTT cut was way cuter than these.
>>9473165
I kinda like the OP cut, kinda like the tights
I wish it had a skirt version
How do you guys store your skirts? Do you hang them or fold them? I have had mine folded but i'm worried they're getting crazy wrinkles
>>9473191
I hang them up on clip hangers.
>>9473170
Looks kinda too much for me. But I guess if you're gonna charge $2.7k for it you gotta throw the kitchen sink and some flowers in.
>>9473206
I think what I like more about the OTT one is the flowers they added on, it gave some more interesting colours and contrast to the dress. The cuts they went with look kind of... Boring.
>>9473170
Which OTT cut are you referring to?
>>9473191
Same, clip skirt hanger, turned inside out so if the clip leaves marks it's not visible.
I used to hang them by the ribbon loops but the waistbands seem to warp and try to turn inside out, so now it's skirt hangers all the way.
>>9473209
Ah, the flowers were the only thing I liked about the OTT cut. It's the extra frills, bows, pearls, etc that were a bit much for me.
There's probably a nice way to add some flowers to the dress. Maybe pin some flowers to an overskirt and wear it over the dress?
>>9473165
I really like the JSK cut but not on me, I'm excited to see other girls wearing it though.
>>9472981
I keep seeing this popping up. Like it's really cute but I totally wouldn't pay $100 for something like that.. Looks like something you could get on Taobao for $40.
>>9473191
I hang them on regular hangers since I've heard clip hangers are bad and leave marks (I have a lot of velvet stuff). I think hanging them over regular triangular hangers destroys box pleats a bit so sometims they need re-ironing when taken off, but I think it's otherwise the best way to store them.
>>9470650
Yes you autistic fuck
>>9473222
I really want the heart-shaped pillow bag because the one Taobao store I saw do something similar was too cheap to pad the bag. The cost alone is almost worth it but the $30 shipping to my country plus taxes will drive it way too high. I also have no idea what the colour choices even are because the sample looks like dull satin but the shot of all the fabrics together is obviously chiffon.
>>9473115
I did, got confirmation and tracking already. Email them and ask about it, they're good at responding within 48 hours.
>>9473191
Clip hangers for less delicate fabrics, otherwise clothespins over a strip of fabric where it makes contact on a normal velvet hanger if it's a more delicate fabric.
>>9473165
Call me crazy, but the JSK cut is super cute!
>>9473191
I use clip hangers with thin foam between the hanger and fabric
>>9473165
I'm not digging the big lace on the straps. They do that frequently like with Melty Cream Doughnut and it bunches up weirdly under cardigans.
oh god...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4495222/Transgender-woman-finds-self-acceptance-Lolita.html
Seen this in a few sales groups $40 with free postage, any thoughts? Could it be good? https://www.storenvy.com/products/19955813-white-tulle-adjustable-petticoats
>>9473436
I fucking hate her. Also why's she in a uk newspaper? She's in the US.
>>9473436
>Daily Fail
nooo
>Andrea
NOOOOO
>>9473436
>mfw I saw her at AWA one year in that Frozen dress
Why?
>>9472308
Tbh I fill that description but I'm not gonna put it on my LM lmao
This is an item on my wish list, do I need a shopping service to get something from wunderwelts rakuten? The engrish is confusing me
http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/wunderwelt/item/w-20741/
>>9473436
she has singlehandedly made me a TERF
>>9473459
Disregard this. I was on mobile and I didn't see the "sold out".
Back to scouring the web for it.
>>9473438
I wish it were ~10cm longer.
>>9473438
I see them on lace market a lot.
I slightly wish they were using the Mr Yan body pillow instead.
>>9473461
Same. Well not this one specifically, but transpeople in the lolita community in general.
I used to think that anyone who wasn't accepting of transwomen was just a transphobic bigot and the perverts were just made up bogeymen to discredit these people. Then I got more involved in the lolita community, actually met a bunch of transwomen, and my stance ended up doing a 180. Some of them were nice, but every single one of them was clearly an autogynophile who got off on the idea of wearing childish dresses in public. Some of them straight up admitted to this and saw no problem doing this around under aged members. But you can't be squicked out by that, oh no, we have to be inclusive! And don't ever mention anything about growing up as a girl because that reminds them of reality and hurts their feelings. You have to treat this 40-year-old man in his ill-fitting sissy dress like a beautiful delicate little princess or else you're literally Hitler!
>sage for venting
>>9473436
Has anyone posted a thread about on Lolcow yet?
>>9473492
I don't get why people are accepting of them. Just kick them out. Don't let them attend events. They already are well known in the community.
>>9473498
Don't think so
>>9473436
didnt get enough attention the first time you posted this? the article still isnt bad
>>9473540
I posted this before another anon did in the other thread.
>>9472966
Omg someone saved that image I made? Love it
>>9473103
>consensus
>cgl
Anon do you know where you are?
>>9473492
Where is this? I've been in three lolita communities (in Europe) and have never met them
>>9473553
That doesn't explain why it was posted in this thread twice
>>9473436
> The Daily Dot
> Humans of New York
> Daily Mail
> Mirror
How many articles need to be written about her?
>>9473973
$10 bux says she'll be posted in the Atlanta Journal Constitution next.
>>9473436
I worry this will make more people think Lolita is a sissy fetish.
>>9473989
She must realize the reason so many outlets want to write articles about her, right? It's sensationalized garbage. I get wanting to take advantage of opportunities when they come up, but this is...
>>9473989
There is absolutely nothing about sex in that article
>>9474000
>>9474019
I wouldn't be caught wearing this stuff anywhere even Disneyland.
>>9474019
It has more to do with people learning about the fashion through an article about a middle aged, non-passing MtF trans person. People make their own assumptions.
>>9473492
I honestly don't know how to feel about this.
>>9473165
Another high waisted heap of shit
>>9473315
It's not lace, it's more like pic related but looks as if it's permanently attached.
>>9474033
I honestly couldn't care less about such people, just like I don't care most of you learned about lolita through anime
>>9474044
>Another high waisted heap of shit
Why and when did you get into Lolita? It's always been mostly high waisted
>>9474027
This screams ageplay/sissy.
>>9473965
I did, but didn't realize the print was buried in that mess.
Kay.
>>9473971
I'm the anon who posted the first link, not the anon who posted the second one. I'm guessing the second anon didn't realise it'd already been posted because I used a donotlink link.
>>9473498
No but there's an ATL thread there (or at least was, haven't checked in a bit) so could add to that.
>>9474046
Ok, great for you.
>>9473103
The JSK is freaking adorable and can be worn in a much less childish looking way, which is why it sold out so fast. The other cuts look more immature, yes. But either way it sold out instantly on both sites, so it is very popular. The print is adorable though.
>>9474120
>it sold out instantly on both sites, so it is very popular
AP have massively reduced their stock, they're artificial bloodbaths created because there weren't that many to start with. Look at Creamy Cherry - white and pink sold out in 2 minutes, everything else in 4, yet there are a ton of black and navy OPs and JSKs that have been sitting on second-hand sites for ages with nobody buying them because the print overall wasn't popular.
Is it okay to only wear over the top pieces like this? I really love this brands reservation pieces, I'm new to Lolita and I've been kinda going on a spending spree this week. I know there's a lot of rules and stuff but nothing on this particularly
>>9474133
its suitable for a lolita wedding but i wouldnt be against you wearing it to large grand meet ups. it might be too much for casual meet ups, though
>>9474133
i think thats a wedding dress anon but really just do whatever you want desu
someone will complain that youre too ott or too casual/boring so just whatever really
>>9474133
It's fine but you're going to get a lot of hassle and attention wearing something like that in public because people will think you're dressed as a bride (and might assume the other lolitas are a hen party or something, that happened to my comm once when a girl turned up in white). For events and big meets like ILD it's totally fine, if you turn up to casual bowling meets in OTT you're going to look pretty extra but you do you if that's the only thing you like.
It's really hard to find Baby's OTT monsters second-hand because I think they mostly go to the Chinese market, if you like it definitely buy it or you might regret it in the future.
>>9474044
OT, but source on the dress? I felt my heart skip a beat there
>>9474131
Hmm good point, but I know quite a few people were after the sax/white/pink JSKs specifically and only a couple have been for sale second hand so far which got snatched up immediately. I don't disagree with you about the stock though.
>>9474146
AP's Magic Princess
>>9471629
Just ignore her and don't buy until you find the pieces elsewhere. People like that are the kind of insane and entitled you don't want to deal with.
>>9474164
Thanks anon!
>>9472221
FromJapan not ordering from Mercari, is that a recent thing? I used FromJapan to order multiple items from Mercari last year.
>>9474378
I want to say yeah. I noticed that like maybe 2-ish months ago (time, what is it) and was disappointed. I switched to Japonica instead, I like their team, they email you and junk
>>9471315
wowwww tfw you can't even get members from your comm or fb friends to even look at the article for minimal views
I might try doing some event coverage on it!
>>9473051
DAFUQ ANDREA IS ONLY 46??? You gotta be kidding me, she looks hella old, white people age too fast (idk why she doesn't spend more money on plastic surgery)
>>9474426
its the hormones clashing
just bought pic related
I noticed while looking at the pic that it looks like the bear has a fucking camel toe and I'm really hoping I can smooth it out when it arrives or else that's all I'll ever see
>>9474451
From the looks of it, because of that type of fabric, it might be that some of the fur gets caught in the seams. So hopefully what we're looking at is a seam at the crotch, and what you can do is carefully pluck the fur free from the seam there. I use a needle so I can be thorough, some people use thin combs.
>>9474426
She looks like she is 60-70 years old...god damn.
>>9474378
Mercari changed their rules to ban SS and From Japan went along with it. I too used to use them a lot for Mercari last year but they won't do it now.
>>9474027
This would look like shit on a cute young bio girl. On Andrea? Horf.
>>9474050
When did YOU get into lolita? The most common and recognisable lolita silhouette has always been a skirt that flares out from the natural waist. High-waisted dresses were deviations, not the norm. I don't even care about and don't wear AP, but don't talk out of your ass.
>>9473436
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc
>>9474050
>being this new
>>9474027
this makes me angry to look at. It doesn't look like a woman at all, I'm sorry but I just can't consider someone a "woman" or a "man" if they don't pass. I might be "transphobic" scum for that but I just can't
>>9474027
Doesn't Andrea claims s/he's also lesbian?
>>9474426
>white people age too fast
Nothing to do with being white anon. It all depends on genetics and if you take care of yourself.
>>9474725
It doesn't make you transphobic unless you're being a jerk, biologically because humans are so visually-oriented, we're hard wired to recognize features that = man or woman. that behaviour is so engrained in us that when we face a trans person that isn't passing, our brain experiences a lot of dissonance between what our eyes are telling our brain, and what we've been told about the person's gender, which makes it really hard to genuinely buy into their claim of being a man/woman.
>>9474727
No and she started hormones like 20 years ago so pretty sure she's not going to change back to he
>>9474725
It does but at least you're aware of yourself
>>9474728
It does have a lot to do with the thinness and dryness of your skin, which is a bigger issue among white people than asians or africans
>>9474744
He's always been and will always continue to be a he.
>>9474557
Yeah, cute on like a 4 year old.
New episode of Last Week Lolita News.
https://youtu.be/aWGFU_BX9z4
>>9471843
I fade away and classify myself as obsolete.
Just got released by the magical girl themed brand MerryGoRound.
I think it is the first time they put something directly into their shop instead of "limited preorder" via their blog.
>>9475469
This looks like a cosplay.
>>9475481
Are you new to Sailor Lolita? Because that's tame in comparison to most releases.
>>9475469
Ita
>>9475484
Tame? Obviously you don't look at Meta and Lief releases...
>>9475486
>this
>tame
>>9475485
All of sweet lolita is ita then.
>>9475469
This is awful. The color choices make it look like display.
>>9475500
*cosplay
>>9475502
Those colors are the norm for sailor tho.
>>9475500
>>9475502
Don't think so, looks less cosplay than the common navy ones.
>>9475508
>2017
>Doesn't even know jp brands
Newfag.
>>9475512
>Trying this hard
>>9475517
>doesn't even knowthe brand of some former AP staff
>pretends to not be new
>>9475484
No, I just don't like overdesigned dresses that look more like idol costumes than lolita. A big part of the appeal of sailor lolita is clean lines and designs that are simple and neat.
>>9474068
but that Anon is right, why do you care so much about that Hon dressing up in Lolita?
>>9475469
Fuck me. I love this horrible tacky thing.
>>9475535
>A big part of the appeal of sailor lolita is clean lines and designs that are simple and neat.
Sailor as whole is only a theme and your description only applies to the classic ones, I've rarely seen sweet ones like your description besides in old-school.
>>9475536
I didn't care about her before she did interviews with several major publications, but I think it really gives people the wrong idea about lolita. I've had relatives send me one of those interviews and I swear they now think it's a fetish thing.
>>9475577
Not that anon but a lot of people think lolita is an anime thing and you don't hear me throwing a bitchfit about that, I care just as little about that as fetishists and living dolls. If it bothers you what people think about you you picked the wrong fashion.
>>9475581
Having the fashion misconstrued as an anime thing is far less damaging than being perceived as a living doll/fetish thing mate, nobody gives a shit if you as a very small percentile don't care about how others see you, but a lot of us do care about our image.
>>9475588
How is living doll worse than anime? Or are you basing your understanding of living doll on clickbait articles? People around me actually associate manga/anime with pedophilia because people have gotten arrested for it which was in the newspaper.
>>9475593
Nayrt but people without in-depth knowledge about the living doll movement generally just assume it's a fetish thing which puts it on the same level as fetish content, anime usually just = weeb to most people
>>9475593
OK, but most young people in my country (UK) know what anime is and don't think it's a big deal, even if they think weebs are cringey. People thinking you're involved in fetish roleplay where you pretend to be a child is a huge potential issue, including with work. People thinking you watch anime is not.
>>9475599
That's doesn't change my argument since people around me think fetish either way. And even if no stupid article or docu about lolita ever existed, people at the office will still think you're a weirdo.
How do you guys feel when an IRL friend buys the same dress/cut in a different colorway after seeing you wear yours? I feel copied and I can't tell if I'm being stupid and highlandering or if others would feel this way too.
>>9475694
Happy that I can have someone to potentially twin with in the future. You sound like you've got a stick up your ass
>>9475593
to be fair, wearing Lolita in general will potentially be seen as a fetish thing. Most people who see Lolita probably think its either a fetish, a weird costume, or that it's cute.
>>9475706
My dude that's why I'm here asking so I can be aware when I'm being dumb.
I come here mainly for cosplay but I like to look at the lolita threads occasionally and I have one question: Why the fuck are you all so rude?
Like, seriously. You all complain about how old the trends are getting and how you wish new stuff would happen in the fashion but as soon as people try new shit, you instantly crucify them. I've never seen people who are mean for no reason other than to be mean behind anonymity.
>>9475469
I know you want to defend your friend's brand anon, but that shit is ita af. the colors are way too bright and tacky. Even the sailor dresses that meta/ap/etc. put out with tacky as hell designs at least use muted colors to try and tone it down; those colorways in the pic you posted are an eyesore.
>>9475741
Welcome to 4chan
>>9472246
Any time someone posts "Rare" in the listings, my eyes roll so hard. I have a pretty good idea of what is and isn't rare. And rare doesn't equal desirable either.
>>9475777
I don't remember when I was friends with the former AP staff Ameko Mokuba who formed an own brand in 2009 and also did all of the outfits for Meltia.
Lurk more.
>>9475605
Other lolitas are so, so sadly mistaken if they think one trans lolita in the news is why people get the wrong impression about lolita. Normies think you're a freak as soon as you walk in the door wearing a dress with poof that takes up half the room and carrying a creepy red-eyed rabbit bag.
>>9475694
Excited because then we might twin sometime. And happy that someone close to me loves the same print that I do.
>>9475469
Ugh, so close but so far. Way too much going on. They needed to go the pleats OR the heart lace detailing. Not both. And the waist design has to go.
>bought new with tag handmade
what
>>9474965
thanks for the notice, saved for later
>>9475577
I feel your pain, anon. I've told my relatives it's not sexual but they think I'm just naive, so whenever something like this happens they send me the article with "See! This is clearly a pervert! Your hobby is for perverts! We told you so!"
>>9475593
Fortunately people in my area just think anime is wacky Chinese cartoons like DBZ and Pokémon. When people assume I'm dressed like an anime character I can politely correct them and everything is fine, but people thinking I'm wearing a fetish costume is much more scary and harmful. I've been followed around by guys who kept insisting I was dressed like a pedo sex doll, asking what my rates are, taking pictures. I was wearing toned down IW. Bystanders didn't give a fuck.
>>9474965
finallyyyyy
>>9470627
I predict that this whole Everyday lolita thing from Facebook, amino, and other groups will spark a rise in casual lolita. Or at least my hope. It's definitely inspired me to wear my clothes more casually around town and to work
>>9475469
These look incredibly cheap, like the cover photo on a Simplicity costume pattern.
>>9475694
I'd feel happy and ask her if she wants to twin.
And on another note, just because you have a particular doesn't doesn't mean that it's off limits to anyone you know from buying one too. They're allowed to like and buy things you also have as well. They're not copying you.
>>9475694
I feel like you're being a bit presumptuous here. She probably liked the dress already before she saw it on you and seeing it in person made her realize how much she wanted it or something. I had a friend who bought the exact same skirt as I did after she saw it on me and I'm pretty sure she bought it because it's a cute skirt, not because she wants to copy me.
>>9475469
Link? Those are really cute, I want to see the other colors.
>>9475469
Hideous, looks like some cheap shit you could get at party city
>>9476246
I found it. I think those are cute, but they look more like idol costumes than lolita to me for some reason.
>>9475469
>30,000 yen
>For a shitty costume
Disregarding the fact that this looks like a shitty taobao cosplay, does anyone know how the quality of this brand is? Because from the pics it looks like shit quality with sub-par materials/construction...
>>9474044
I own this JSK and the lace part can be detached.
>>9475741
>I've never seen people who are mean for no reason other than to be mean behind anonymity
How about in the cosplay threads? This is 4ch, it's not how normal lolita's behave.
>>9476184
The companies are rude or they don't trust overseas shipping or they want to know who they're selling to since brand is limited
>>9476280
Actually, people in mercari and fril are very particular about communication and big SS (or foreigners that cannot speak japanese) don't really bother follow up those "thanks for shipping, i'll let you know when it arrives!" stupid unnecessary stuff.
I buy and sell in mercari and the only problem i've had was with a foreigner (who actually belongs to my lolita community) who didn't even bother to give me feedback so I could claim the money from the purchase. She doesn't speak japanese and probably doesn't understand the mercari etiquette and as a seller that is very annoying and i really wouldn't want to deal with that again. I understand why japanese people don't want to sell to foreigners when they don't play by the rules.
>>9476286
Free shipping *for orders over 50,000 yen. Fitting for those of us who REALLY love h.Naoto I guess.
>>9476291
A Japanese company that gets paid to use it should know better. I prefer using personal shopping service even though they're a bit more expensive than zenmarket, japonica etc., so I know my money is spent on good service.
>>9475550
Still less tacky than the one you're shilling. Those bright colors are so ita, it doesn't matter what brand it is. Just admit you have shit taste
>>9475790
>outfits for Meltia
Oh, so that's why it looks like tacky idol clothes.
>>9476189
I feel the same way. I was just discussing it with my boyfriend last night. It's a cycle. 2010 was the rise of Ott sweet, and then around 2012 classic and gothic came on the rise because the simple elegant stylings were a sight for sore eyes when people began to tire of pastel unicorn vomit coords. From there it's stated to sway back to Ott but in another form: painting prints, huge floral headdresses and veils, wings, etc. And from this most recent rise of Ott, interest in simpler coords are coming back in style, though this time it's old school inspired, or vintage Lolita pieces from the late 90s and early 00s. I think once this daily casual wear thing kicks off then it will only be a matter of time before the next wave of some type of Ott style kicks off. But that's just how fashion works. It's a never ending circle or recycling trends and themes.
He also asked if I thought Lolita was dying and we discussed how it isn't Lolita that's changing, the world is changing, how we get our media and information is changing, and Lolita, just like everyone else is going along for the ride.
>>9476185
>I've told my relatives it's not sexual but they think I'm just naive, so whenever something like this happens they send me the article with "See! This is clearly a pervert! Your hobby is for perverts! We told you so!"
Oh God, exactly the same thing happened to me. My uncle took it upon himself to "warn me" about lolicon and underage prostitution being popular in Japan, like I didn't know or that's relevant, and ignores my objections because he's been to Japan for work and I haven't so OBVIOUSLY he's the Japan expert here.
>>9473461
you disgust me.
>>9475469
The white jsk is actually pretty cute. love the pleats that start just at the hem and the gathered chiffon bust.
I think the major problem with the ad coordinate is the kind of blouse used. the bow is too big.
I always drool over this brand's socks. fyi this is where you get diagonal striped designs without having to chase down the guilty meltin' series tights.
>>9476437
Their socks are amazing.
>>9476318
>what is the typical high saturation for photo sessions
Even AP's shootings often look like that.
>>9476437
Store link?
Dumping some japanese guide stuff, maybe someone needs them in the future.
>>9476607
>>9476608
>>9476609
>>9476610
>>9476611
>>9476612
>>9476607
Thank you. Where did you find it?
>>9476614
The cosplay lolita part.
>>9476616
It's from the guidebook of lolita illustrator Ran Wakewaka
>>9476617
Talk about lace quality...
Derp, >>9476617 was meant for >>9476615
>>9476638
It isn't from what I can read. It's all information, using pictures as references.
>>9476638
I don't speak moonrunes either but there's even a comparison between normal goths and Lolita
>>9476638
It's comparing cosplay lolita with lolita fashion as well.
>>9476638
Nope, contents are:
>>9476607 how the difference in good vs bad quality shows
>>9476608 the importance poof in lolita clothing
>>9476609 things to keep in mind for proper lolita
>>9476610 the backgrounds and differences between lolita, gothic lolita and regular goth
>>9476611 continues the above
>>9476612 archiving the proper shape
>>9476614 proper skirt lenght and lace vs ruffles
>>9476616 how to spot a cosplay lolita
>>9476617 important details and differences between whites
>>9476619 as in the description
>>9476630 key differences between the substyles
>>9475469
I love these so much, I can't decide which colorway is the cutest.
>>9476686
Ok but do you actually read Japanese?
>>9476616 is about hairstyles and clothing matching
>>9476619 is about how to draw lace
>>9476630 reviews a bunch of other reference books
Like my Japanese is pretty limited too but it only took me two minutes of Google translate to figure out that you have no idea what you're talking about
Now that Sugary Carnival usually pops up at low prices I lowkey wanna get it.
It used to be my ultimate dream dress in sax when I first started lolita at 14yo (even now I still love how the rainbow pastel marshmallows look on the saxon blue fabric) but now it's way too OTT for me (I gravitated toward old school, save for two OTT sweet pieces I have) but it looks neat in black.
What do? Should I satisfy my 14yo self while I'm still young enough to rock OTT? Or pass on it and save my $$$ for something I like that goes for even less? Like Pastel A La Mode, Melody Doll,...
I'm just affraid I'll not wear it enough or look good in it. Never ever tried "bittersweet" before so I'm quite unsure and think it might look tacky in a "tumblr creepy cute" way.
>>9476708
Also it's just so overrated it makes me even more unsure. I still lowkey love it but seeing it everywhere made me feel a bit "eh" about it and I don't want that to resurface when I get it
>>9476703
Not that anon but why would someone drawing purposefully make the dress look wrinkly. They wouldn't.
>>9476161
She explains in her listing. Still funky since she could just say 'New'
>>9476708
anon, it's ok to have grown up. when I first got into Lolita I thought a pink bib-type dress from To Alice was the height of fashion. I actually did buy it and realized I didn't actually want to walk around in a polyestery dress with the word "Macarons" emblazoned across my chest.
If you want to wear it right now, get it. If you just don't want to not wear it, don't.
>>9476708
You could always buy it then sell it on again if you don't feel the same spark, it's not like those $$$ have to be a lifetime commitment.
>>9474965
God, we need more good YT channels about lolita like this one
>>9476792
I honestly don't really like her shtick, I watch them because it's nice to get the drama update but I really dislike her make-up and wig and I think her overacting is really irritating and kind of dated? Seems like an edgy video from the late 00s, IDK.
>>9476708
I did the same thing anon. Got it for a great price and I could not be happier. Plus it is actually fairly east to tone down and I feel good that I got it on my adult salary (plus not for 300-500 like it used to go for). Go for your dreams anon!
Am I dirty minded for blushing at "eat me" accessories?
>tfw no gf to literally eat me as i'm wearing one of those accessories
G-Geez
new thread here ya'll
>>9476955
>>9476955
>>9476912
Same
>>9474464
Why? Can't you see that she's a girl bear? Why neuter her?
>>9471601
>So, is Feminism a new religious or what? Because it sure seems like it. Don't push your beliefs on me and I won't talk shit.
SJWism is essentially a religion, and it's thoroughly infected third-wave feminism.
Atheism+ is an excellent example of that, since the atheists were one of the first communities infected and torn apart by SJWs and actual atheists who spent all their lives dissecting religions easily recognized one when they saw it:
http://www.skepticink.com/avant-garde/2012/10/13/atheism-plus-we-are-atheists/
https://somethingsurprising.blogspot.com/2012/08/atheism-is-not-religion-but-perhaps.html
>>9471944
>I can control 4chan with my carefully constructed opening post
That's not how it works. If people are interested in the same things as you then you might be lucky amd get to talk about it otherwise its shitposting all the way.
>>9470627
I'm a lifestyle lolita. Don't always wear my full blown coords, but a lot of my clothing does try to emulate the style in a more...daily life and practical fashion. I've worked as a journalist for a right-wing publication for three years. Wouldn't call myself a feminist.
>>9482646
I wished there were more right-wing lolitas, desu.