Do people still think that male character designs are boring

>>9433161
It depends on what kind of stuff you're looking at, honestly. I like the full-on warrior mode armours guys usually get in RPG's as opposed to gals' armour bikini, like what you posted.

But if you look at very girl-oriented anime or what have you, of course the girls are all gonna look magical/will pop more as opposed to the rando brown-haired male MC.

I agree it looks cool as fuck, its just most people who complain arent in a similar physical shape, theyre either obese or lanky as fuck

they kinda look ghey

>>9433161
Essentially this: >>9433166
It's not that male cosplays are hard, it's that most male nerds don't have the body and they know it.

Also skill level, not a lot of guys care much about learning to make armor or style wigs.

>>9433180
>hard
I meant boring.

>>9433161
>Because I'm looking at stuff like this and thinking it looks utterly awesome
you are right, but the problem in my opinion is, since the whole "geek/nerd"-community is after all run by men, and they will still more after female cosplayers than male ones.

>>9433180
>Also skill level, not a lot of guys care much about learning to make armor or style wigs.

I have guys throwing themselves into making armor and props. They really take pride in that stuff. It's wigs, sewing and makeup that you see men less likely to get into

>>9433161
>Do people still think that male character designs are boring and as a result male cosplay is duller than female?

>still

i dunno, I never thought this at all.

It's the same as comparing red carpet suits v. dresses; the ladywear tends to be much more immediately striking compared to the menswear, even if menswear is often as meticulously styled and the crafting is great.

>>9433245
This x10.

I feel like OP meant to start a thread regarding male vs female craftsmanship quality. Male vs female fashion variety and intricacy is not really a debatable topic. There are exceptions to the norm, but in general it's harder to find unusual male designs.

>>9433237
>>9433250
From what i gather it kinda started with how the first Heroes of Cosplay actively ignored men.

You also had similar threads her in the past complaining how boring male characters are citing how black slacks and button ups are so common (however this is just confined to the anime fandom)

because for female cosplayers, they will be praised as long as they are not obese. whereas for male cosplayers, they need to go the extra mile. they need to be muscular as well as have a good costume. just face it, the requirements to get attention as a female cosplayer is just so much lower than it is for guys

>>9433255
>Using Heroes of Cosplay as a metric for anything

I'm confused.... are you complaining about peoples' disinterest in typical male designs, or are you complaining about the lack of male cosplayer popularity? These are not related topics.

>>9433259
Yeah, those poor men having to put makeup on their face and a wig on their head just to get recognition. Whereas meanwhile women aren't expected to have nice bodies or hot faces at all. Just really unfair, all around if you ask me.

>>9433261
Different anon and I do agree with you, but there's a big difference between men and women in pop-art. Excusing a lot of the Weeb-stuff which is far more normally sized (half the time then) a lot of it is on atleast 5 years of gymtime on a normal scale, and 40 years of Zyzz-Arnie levels of steroid usage.

>>9433260
I'm taking about people's perception that male characters are boring to cosplay from a design standpoint.

It was this comment that really sparked the discussion

>“‘Male characters tend to be simpler — lots of body armor and weaponry and spandex and capes,’ observes Cronin. ‘They’re usually nowhere near as interesting and intricate, or sexy and cool, as the costumes worn by the women. And, let’s face it, female sexuality is a big part of comic-book art and a big element in the Con world.'”

I mean I can see it, despite the large number of series out there male designs run very same-y. Sure the bits of armor, suits, and spandex look different but it all blurs so easily unless you're super into the series.

>>9433180
>not a lot of guys care much about learning to make armor

you clearly have not seen larpers before then.

sure, when it comes to anime/video game cosplay, the men to women ratio leans heavily towards women but that doesnt mean that men are absolutely not interested in it at all.

i know a shit load of guys who make props (mostly for larping, star wars and comic stuff) and they love doing it. but none of them cosplay,they just make it for other people.

hell, im pretty sure all those female cosplayers you see with weapon props were probably done by a guy.

*unless they're a crossdressing male.

That's probably why I'm probably going to do Isabelle from Paradise Kiss, or Kuranosuke from Princess Jellyfish for my next cosplay.

>>9433296
I mean.... yeah? People "perceive" male character designs as being boring because they ARE a lot of the same thing over and over again. Even the images you posted in the top thread are very much what you just quoted: "simpler - lots of body armor and weaponry and spandex". Some people cosplay that well, but some people are just plain old not interested in that.

>>9433317
How the heck the stuff in the OP is simple? You got armor, spandex, different masks and props and layers

There's actually a bigger problem going on here. Remember that there are two distinct groups of people who look at cosplay on social media. There are people who cosplay themselves and are part of the cosplay community, then there are people who fetishize cosplay. The people who fetishize cosplay way outnumber the actual cosplay community so when syfy makes a show about cosplay, the market to that group.

The comment about male cosplay not being interesting is just mental gymnastics so he could avoid making a sexist comment. And then he went all in and made a sexist comment.

Many anons have already pointed this out, but women in comics/games are never shown to be as ridiculously ripped as the male characters. This makes cosplay much more accessible to women.

>>9433341
Wouldn't the nondescript bodies and regular clothes look of many male anime characters mean that cosplay just as accessible to men?

>>9433215
I'm a guy and i sew. I'm the only one in my group who does. I have tried to teach some of my other guy friends how and, either it doesnt stick of they get over flustered, and they try to pass the work off to someone else. But they'll spend weeks on a prop even if the cosplay that goes with it isnt completed.

>>9433446
>and they try to pass the work off to someone else
>spend weeks on a prop even if the cosplay that goes with it isnt completed.

Holy shit, I know so many guy friends who do exactly this. And none of them ever improve.

>>9433446
>>9433451
I CAN'T HELP IT I LITERALLY CAN'T SEW

>>9433341
You hinted at it but didnt quite get there. It's less a accessibility question as much as it is audience question. Pick the fittest, most beautiful man in cosplay and he will still have fewer likes then many ok female cosplayers. That's because a huge part of the cosplay viewing audience online dont want to see dudes.

>>9433453
Unless you have the shakes you can. You just have to keep at it. So many of my early cosplays were medieval tunics until i got the feel of sewing. Youre not going to be making tailored suits right away.

>>9433261
>complaining that women are required to have nice bodied
Nigga have you SEEN the 'good male cosplay' thread?
Need 2 years minimum of hard lifting with a perfect diet for anyone to look at you twice in cosplay, and even when you do they prefer the skinnyfat girl in a bikini

>>9433413
You would think but they all looks so bland that you can't tell L from Touma from Gotu from Haru from literally every other male protagonist with spikey black hair in a school uniform

>>9433463
>and even when you do they prefer the skinnyfat guy who fulfills their yaoi fantasies
Fixed that for you senpai.

>>9433454
>That's because a huge part of the cosplay viewing audience online dont want to see dudes.

That's Western Society in general. Why can female models get famous while male models are ignored

idk about boring but you definitely have less choice in quality, varied, designs. A lot of it is very samey samey. I think having MK as an "example" is a REALLY shitty one because a ton of MK characters are basically just palette swaps.

>>9433487
Later MK games really kicked up the variety.

>>9433497

That's fair and I can agree with that, but I stand by my point that a lot of male designs just lack variety, and the ones that are varied most people aren't gonna recognize anyway and who am I kidding-- I want to be recognized.

>>9433463
It's cute that you think one thread is the end all be all of the community's opinion.

If you have the craftsmanship chops, you don't need to be ripped. Same goes for women - if you're hot, you don't have to have quality skills. But for both men and women, if you aren't blessed with a great body then you have to work ten times as hard to get close to the same recognition.

>>9433453
Do you think women popped out of the womb with a needle in-hand?

Go look up some tutorials and learn ffs. You aren't genetically programmed to suck at using a sewing machine.

>>9433454
I'm going to speak in some general terms here, but men look at porn more than women do. For men who have cosplay as a fetish, they will be more interested in a normal looking girl than a hot guy for sure. That's why the most financially successful "cosplayers" are the ones that show a lot of skin or go nude for their patreon subscribers.

I recently had a conversation with a cosplay friend about the people we had taken pictures of after a con. If I see a person wearing an awesome costume, I'll want a picture. Most of the pictures I took were of women. Did this mean that men weren't cosplaying? Not at all. However do you want to take a picture of an overweight/ugly person in cosplay? Sure there were a lot of overweight/ugly female cosplayers at the con. I didn't take pictures of them either. Most of the guys who cosplay are either out of shape or put very little effort into their costume. This may be due to the fact that many men only cosplay to meet cosplay chicks, and their lack of passion shows on their poor quality costumes. I don't know how true that is since I couldn't see being overweight and putting forth so little effort and expecting attractive people with good cosplays to notice me sempai.

Also women in general are more comfortable with things like makeup, hair styling and shapewear whereas most men are afraid of things like a dance belt. Even in this thread someone pointed out that women are more likely to sew. All of this makes cosplay much more accessible.

>>9433557
A lot of men also feel like they can do one thing well and get away with it, like make a prop or make some armor and don't bother with the rest of the costume. And even more don't feel the need to wear makeup, wigs, or other things that they don't realize go a long way toward making a cosplayer look really well put together. And then they're surprised when nobody stops them for photos.

>>9433557
if the over weight poor costume was truly a thing then plenty of female cosplayers like momokun wouldnt be popular plenty of chicks in the cosplay community objectively shit on her both looks wise and body wise and she still has more likes and gets more attention than them even thoguh she is fat by societal standards.

lets not forget the tons of very plain jane /average looking female cospalyers who get attention with half assed and shit costumes. half the women popular in the cosplay community are only average looknig by real world standards

but since the average female geek is assumed to be a wilderbeast people act like a female geek who is even half way decent looking is like halle berry or some hsit it very odd.

geek men put women on a pedestal basically from what i've seen in geek circles women who wouldnt get no attention in a ngihtclub can get attention from geeks is because one she is accessible and two geeks seem to have very low standards on what they think is good looking.

>>9433259
thank you , half the popular female cosplayers are basic very average looking white women. like i still dont understand how momokun is making $5,000 a month off her sexy portraits

she defies everything stated in this thread , she is obese ,has shit low tier costumes and doesn't fit into popular beauty standards for white women yet still has thirsty ass male fans most of the dues i know with fans are at least in shape even if ugly . i dont know any popular fat male cosplayers

>>9433317
which is silly because alot of female cospaly is basically slutty halloween costumes.

in the asian / russian market the girls are fucking amazing but the white american girls all do the same boring ass cammy , harlequinn , psylocke, catwomen , poison ivy store bought bullshit acting as if they made that shit themselves.

like i dont even see how that is a legit point when one look at the popular female cosplayers nad 90% of them at least the american ones exclusive cosplay as sexy characters whose outfits range from stripper to hooker.

How many variations of the cammy ,psylocke , vampirella, harlequinn, posion ivy , misty from pokemon and sexy pokemon cosplay can girls do before the shit gets old.

>>9433259
t. MRA

Guys don’t know how to pander to girls. And thus, girls just don’t bother looking.

A very easy target is the fujoshi, if you do a yaoi cosplay and look reasonably decent you’d have tons of girls creaming themselves over you. But apparently most guys presume fujoshi are fat and ugly. So they consider yaoi cosplay “beneath” them and refuse to do it. This is in complete contrast with girls who put out skimpy cosplays no matter how fat, ugly or disgusting their fans are.

Carries over to porn, too. Some girls watch lesbian porn because at least the girl looks like she’s getting some fun, instead of being relegated to the role of flesh sexbot NPC.

So, since there aren’t any guys who are willing to pander to female lust in the first place, girls don’t look for porn, because the chances of finding actually enjoyable porn is near zero. And thus, there’s no market for male sexy models, because no one can be bothered to look for what doesn’t exist.

>>9433671
The issue isn't why men are more popular in cosplay its just going off of the general notion that people view the designs for male characters boring.

I think that's totally not true but I can see the reasoning

>>9433635
Momokun's body is very attractive for those with a fetish for curvy girls. She is big, but she's not shapeless. That's likely got a lot to do with her popularity. She fits the look that many do have a fetish for perfectly. I think people get a pass for being older too... Momokun is about 30 or older now.

Also, going based on age, she's been posting semi-nude shots for about 8-10 years now. In 8-10 years of doing something like that, you are bound to get fans.

>>9433756
Nah, she used to be curvy but now she needs to wear a shitton of shapewear to create the illusion that a waistline still exists amidst the mass of blubber.

>>9433756
Momokun was not around in the cosplay scene 8-10 years ago. She's only 21...yeah, I know. She's not ageing well. I think she's only been at the Patreon thing for what, 2 or 3 years? I feel like it wasn't THAT long ago "thick Samus" made her popular.

>>9433671
Cosplaying as yaoi character for straight people just has a massive pile of problems though. First and foremost, straight guys don't typically watch or enjoy yaoi series. Then there's the issue of people assuming if you do watch and enjoy that stuff then you're probably gay. The kinds of characters in those series have either very muscular and rugged features or are extremely thin and feminine features. Yaoi series also don't tend to have very interesting costumes to begin with.

>>9433785
Thick Samus was less than a year ago. She kept selfposting it on /cgl/ and /v/ until it became a fucking meme. Bitch literally created thiccposting and by extension brapposting.

>>9433754

Let’s be real though, half the comments are already talking about how guys have it sooo much harder than female cosplayers, but when you step back and take a look, basically they’re demanding that everything should cater to guys. Female cosplayers should look sexy to cater to fat ugly guys, anyone who is even slightly chubby apparently doesn’t deserve followers. And female fans should be sexy to cater to barely decent male cosplayers, no fat sweaty chicks please.

Even with character design, the problem remains. Again, the fujos worship a wide, wide range of characters. Yaoi dudes could be cute and cuddly, or silent and stoic, strong and manly, or young and weak, flaming gay, or a middle management accountant, tsundere or yandere, the hero or crazy psychopath — there’s a wide, wide range of characters. It’s just that male nerds like to self-insert even more than female fans so they’re not going to cosplay their body type, oh no, they have to chose the comic where their super hero is a ripped muscular buff dude. They aren’t going to touch anything that reeks of yaoi or fujos because eew. They’re just going to whine about everything not catering to them instead.

Therein lies your relevance, even with the wide variety of characters out there most guys default to whining about how the whole world isn’t reshaping itself to meet their need to attentionwhore instead of actually looking at things and figuring things out.

>>9433795

Yaoi is the one and only place that actively caters to female lust. That alone should be telling you why no girl bothers looking at, seeking out and following male cosplayers, which ties into why male cosplayers seemingly get no traction. The guys just keep thinking they need 5 years at the gym instead of checking out what girls actually want, which is the actual problem.


For actual practical cosplay advice, though, you only need to follow the fujos, not the yaoi. Fujos are happy to ship almost any male with any male, in whatever fandom. Oncest being the most obvious and illogical example. Gundam being another example of an originally seinen anime that is crawling with fujo fans.

As for being gay. Girls in skimpy costumes get labeled as coswhores and fake nerds all the time and they still do it. You simply have to deal with the fact that there's no golden solution that hands you everything on a platter. It doesn't exist for girls either, why should it exist for guys? If you're going to pander, of course you'll have to deal with all the bullshit that comes along with the fans.

>>9433806
>>9433811
So I will say that I get that the appeal is about two men in lover rather than two guys fucking. But I still don't really understand how that appeals to female lust. Isn't that cuckold? This comes from a place of ignorance, I really don't understand the appeal.

I watched Free!, Yuri on Ice and JJBA, all series I know that are popular with women. I even watched Black Butler at the suggestion of a friend and hated it. While the other three I could enjoy, Black Butler just didn't have a good story. Even a series like Wandering Son, which dealt with very uncomfortable social issues in a middle school setting was a god damn masterpiece in my eyes.

While I do understand that romantic comedies like School Rumble, Toradora and Kanon were more male-centric, I could still enjoy series like Kimi no Todoke, Lovely Complex and Ristorante Paradiso which were much more female centric.

I'm getting off track here. It's not like I don't want to understand, or that I'm opposed to things that don't cater to me. It just seems harder to appeal to women than men while enjoying "normal" things.

>>9433806
>>9433811
>>9433671

I get the angle y'all are coming from but unfortunately I feel like you're glossing over some truths. "B-b-but if men cosplayed fujoshi characters then they would be pandering to things girls actually like." That has a ring of truth to it but women still do those cosplays better than men. I'm glad one anon brought up JJBA. That's a series with a lot of ripped bara dudes amd yet the community is over flowing with women doing crossplay. On top of that the women doing crossplay are better liked than the men doing the same cosplays. Ok yeah a part of it is the women do care more about how they look. I won't deny that, but also do parts 1,2 and 3 have a lot of bara dudes? Yeah it does (not that stops yoai girls from cosplaying part 2). Parts 4,5,6,7 and 8 have a lot of thinner pretty boys with more feminine features. Guess which sex runs the board with later parts?

Fujoshi characters have a lot of feminine features. I'm not saying it is less work women to crossplay but it will almost always be taken more seriously. Even with a good make-up i doubt most men would get the same attention as their crossplaying peers becasue their shoulders or jaw lines or something will betray the aesthetic. So it's less male cosplayers look down on such cosplays and more woman do fuoshi characters better because you know they have feminine features. And before you bring up Free! Every semi fit due has already put on a swim jacket at this point. My point still stands.

Any female cosplayer who gets famous is constantly working her social media, Instagram, talking with fans, and networking. That's the much missed key to being actually popular- building your following is almost more important than making your costumes, just look at some of the Instagram "cosplay celebs" who do 90% selfies.

I know some boys who sew well, make good character choices, have bishonen, androgynous bodies, but never post anything. They go to cons, get their picture taken, and never follow up. And then wonder why they aren't well known.

>>9433879
This is another really good point.

I don't do the "sexy" cosplays that some people are referring to here, but I work almost every day to keep all of my social media channels updated and promo myself - it's taken years to build up a base through hard work. I have a male friend who does good but not great work - prop guy but doesn't sew, only updates his feeds a few times a month. But then he loudly complains over his lack of recognition, and how it's all because "he doesn't have boobs". T.B.H. it's very annoying because this attitude male cosplayers have really undermines the work that female cosplayers put in, especially those of us who don't cosplay T&A.

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>>9433476
Some male models have become famous in the past.

>>9433811
Not the only place that catters to female lust
You just need handsome looking characters
Just look at FMA

>>9433885
How do you nourish your social media?
I've started recently but really don't know what to put without seeming spammy

>>9433893
It's going to be very slow if you're just starting, but keep with it. Try to post regularly (with instagram this can be every day, with Facebook at least once if not a few times per week) and use hashtags with IG. You won't come off as spammy if you're posting genuinely different or new content, and not just rehashing 5 photos of the same selfie over and over again. For me I post a combination of finished photos and progress shots, but if you have a cute face you can mix selfies and costests in. The main point is just to post and interract with your followers so that they gain a vested interest in what you're making. I'm sure the rules are going to vary if you're posting sexier content since your target audience is going to be very different, but this is what works for me.

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>>9433891
this

>>9433785
She first posted on chansluts about 8 years ago.

She's not 21... Unless she was 13 to 14 years old when she first posted pictures.

>>9433955
She IS 21. Her old youtube and twitter from when she was a cringeworthy little 14 year old middle schooler was uncovered by lolcow ages ago.

>>9434022
Well, shit.

>>9433795
> Yaoi series also don't tend to have very interesting costumes to begin with.

Freakin Yuri on Ice's outfits are beautiful

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>>9433902
I meant this guy. I remember going crazy over him and then jumping on the yaoi train.
The same with Samurai Champloo.
Hot/cool guys = success.
No need to get gay

>>9433608
A lot of guys don't try at all with their cosplays because they think they're already "winning" since they're a man like the character. That doesn't make you good, effort makes you good, and I get so damn tired of looking at bought shitty cosplay adidas wearing wire frame glasses wig straight outta the bag no makeup fuggo dudes meandering around the con floor thinking they're hot shit and every girl wants them.

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>>9434063
>Cool guy

>>9433873
I'm only familiar with JJBA as an anime. In the first season everyone was super ripped with exposed muscles. Stardust Crusaders had also super ripped guys but Kakyoin and Joseph were fully clothed so there were some option to hide it. Diamond is Unbreakable on the other hand is extremely accessible. While the outfits they wear are much more interesting and stylized (harder to get right but better for cosplaying IMHO) they don't have exposed steroid level muscles. There's even a short character and a fat character.

As for Free!, it's an excellent example of cheap and accessible cosplays for fit guys that people still tend to be lazy on. Most of the hair styles are very generic and easy to replicate without wigs. Getting the Iwatobi swim club jacket is super cheap. But beyond that most people don't bother with the trunks, which you would want to wear a dance belt with. It's the anime male equivalent of SS Harley. Grab the jacket online and look, you're cosplaying Free!