if girls like these sell photosets/have a patreon, do you think

The whales appeal to whale chasers (yes they do exist). You probably need to appeal to a niche unless you are turbo pretty. I would need to know what you look like to advise further.

Just looked at the link, it's mostly tacky self proclaimed NSFW content. I'm convinced a massive chunk of people that buy into these patreons have some contact with the cosplayer and hopes to be noticed by them for contributing. Anyone can start a patreon, however with what I notice with my lesser known cos friends, their only patreon contributors come directly from their personal friends and a few weird neckbeards that comment on everything they post.

I'm gonna be really honest with you op everyone in their mind has a patreon now and literally half the girls aren't that great and some even unattractive. Doesn't matter if you have the following to back it but if you are less than a few thousand followers I'd say you won't get any money from anyone and you Def will have to show skin. Some girls I've seen who have 14k or more instagram followers make 40 bucks a month for basically lewd lingerie. 40 bucks ain't worth the lingerie u less you getting cheap shit off ebay.

>>9388352
Who even is this nobody? Your vendetta is showing OP

>>9388377
I always wondered if this was the case honestly.

Sort of a neckbeard here.

I subscribe to a girl's private lewd site. She's not a girl I find particularly attractive but she fulfills a certain fetish that I'm extremely into. (It's nothing particularly weird or kinky, by the way, just uncommon.) Somehow having it be the same person every time, reading her blog entries, and stuff like that makes it more enjoyable, too.

That's a bit different from cosplay, but I totally see how a guy not that different from me could do the same kind of thing with cosplay lewds. You can forgive a bit of a girl's appearance if she's the only one doing or wearing something you find really hot.

>>9389326
What fetish, you can't just be vague like that. I'll die with curiosity for the next 5 minutes

>>9389326
Lol, what's the fetish? If it's not weird then how is it uncommon?

>>9389331
>>9389333
Lol I was afraid of that.

I'm into girls going commando, and more specifically, girls who go commando as much as possible. This girl does and frequently posts pictures taken in public places to prove it. It's not even the main focus of her site, but it's the thing I'm there for.

Hopefully this isn't that creepy of a thing to be into...

>>9389337
I mean, it sounds like you're not going around trying to get upskirt shots at cons, so you're fine.

>>9389333
Oh, and the uncommon part.

There's plenty of pictures of girls going commando out there, of course. But those pictures have no context and you don't know if they're staged or what.

What gets me going is that a girl does it because she's into it herself and does it even when there are no cameras nearby. This is one of the only times I've ever encountered a situation where I can follow somebody where I know it's the case.

>>9389262

I just randomly found this on twitter. Think it was reblog fed by swimsuit succubus. I literally have no idea who they are but thought they were ugly and fat at first glance lol sorry.

>>9389338
Oh hell no - even if I WAS that kind of creep I wouldn't get off to it anyway if it were photos of random girls that I'd taken myself.

The whole thing hinges on a fantasy of having a partner who does it and is into it and being the only other person who knows about it.

Sadly none of my partners have even been willing to try it out.

>>9389345
Aw, that sucks. Hope you find someone who's into some day.

>>9389337
So youre into voyeurism. Thats not a unique fetish.

>>9389378
lol I can't believe I'm talking about this on /cgl/, but no, I'm not at all into voyeurism. I clarified in >>9389339 and >>9389345

It's more related to exhibitionism if anything, but it's a specific thing and more about having a shared secret and doing something kinky in front of everybody without them knowing. The main turn-on is knowing that she's enjoying it and that she'll be very ready to go when we get somewhere private.

>>9389370
It's not a big deal if not. Kinks are nice but it's not like one of those "this is the only thing that arouses me" kinds of fetishes that some guys have.

>>9389342
Susu will retweet anyone who asks her for promo. She's too nice if this is someone she'd rt.
Personally I dont think she looks fat, just doesnt have any waist definition. Her arms and legs are thin. Even though a lot of these cosplay women are ugly, men tend to be far uglier than women over all so that's why even ugly ass bitches get attention. Any girl can make some pocket change from lewds so I say you can do it no problem. Just dont expect to have 1k patrons and be making like 15k a month unless you're also cute and built like a goddess.

>>9388352
she's asian and does lewd art.

>pay what you want
-$5
I would like money from YOU for making me witness this

>>9389392
No dude. You're the voyeur and she is the exhibitionist. Thats how it works. You like viewing, but not actually doing the commando thing yourself. You like viewing her do it all because its like some secret that only you and her are in on, which is what she wants to make you, the viewer, feel. The two are very separate things in how they are, but mutual in how they actually go together. An exhibitionist needs veuyers to enjoy what they are doing. You're the voeyer.

>>9389262
rabu is tumblr famous for being exactly this.
she sells nudes in photosets and is popular on dumblr because "ooooooOooooo she's so confident about her body !!!!!"

>>9389326
I would pay an obscene amount of money a month for consistent high quality lewds of androgynous blond(e)s in fancy pre-1900 period military clothing. I know that obscure fetish feel.

...Come to think of it, any cosplayers wanna put out an erotic Rose of Versailles set?

>>9389864
I'm a androgenous blonde.. but I lack fancy pre-1900s military garb

>>9389337
There's a market for this? I've been living my life wrong all this time. Seriously though,I think the only way to make some money doing this since everyone is hopping on the bandwagon is to fulfill some niche market that nobody else does

>>9389810
Oh, I get what you're saying. I was thinking of "voyeur" in the illict sense, hidden cameras, peeping, etc.

What gets me going is what the girl is doing, not what I'm seeing.

To be honest, and maybe this is weird, but I'm turned on by imagining how it feels for her. I WOULD be doing the commando thing myself were it practical, but it's not, so I have to live vicariously. (Yeah I could do it in pants but that's not the same, the fun is in the potential for exposure and that only works with a skirt or dress.)

I don't know if I'm unusual in this, but pretty much all of my sexuality is female-focused. My favorite part of sex is knowing that I'm making the girl feel good and I really enjoy foreplay (except hand/blowjobs) for the same reason, and when I watch porn it's almost always girls masturbating or engaging in other solo acts (like exhibitionism) for their own pleasure. I'm not a sub or anything, but I'm dominant because women enjoy it and that brings me pleasure, not because I get off on a power trip or anything. The few other fetishes I have are mostly in the same vein, things like certain kinds of lingerie and particularly doing things to her while she's wearing it.

>>9392066
If you're talking about the commando thing, then I'd say there is, but maybe I'm an extremely rare existence so don't take my word for it.

>pretty good body

yeah well its the girls with big boobs and big butts that get the most money, so you better have one or both

>>9393740
Sounds like you just want to BE a woman.

>>9389864
god yes

Her body looks fine (face questionable) but it's not like she's a 300 pound hambeast. You angry skellies are really showing your jelly here.
If you want to sell out your cosplay poons for dosh that's fine, but let's stop pretending there's any real standard for this shit. Didn't websites like Suicide Girls prove long ago you don't need to be pretty to be a camwhore.

>>9394157
Landwhale.

>>9389337
Are you telling me I've been going commando all this time for free

>>9393740
The big question is are there more of you?

>>9389326
Are you me? I have a girl who I pay money to model outfits of girls in heels because for me, that's my secret fetish and yeah I know it is skeevy but I get paid too much, but OP, there are guys out there, it's simple economics, and you will make money.

>>9394100
It's kind of the opposite if anything. I'm secure and confident enough in my masculinity and heterosexuality that I don't need to go around compensating all the time and make sex into a game of affirming my own dominance and masculinity. I get more than enough pleasure from just banging normally, so I can focus more on my partner instead - plus doing so is a nice ego boost. Also, it's not like I'm self-inserting as a girl when I watch stuff, I'm definitely fantasizing about joining her.

The only real exception is that I like /cgl/ stuff a lot and wish I could do the Ranma thing to wear it once in a while.

>>9394673
>>9394701
I dunno, I think maybe I'm pretty rare. Nobody I know shares the interest and I've hardly even seen people online that are actively into it.

If you guys don't mind, I'll ask a few questions of my own. Why do you go commando? Is it sexual for you or just a comfort/convenience thing? What's your feeling about a guy who finds what you do arousing, and how would you feel about dating one?

(Just to be clear, this isn't a pickup attempt or anything, I'm simply asking out of pure curiosity.)

>>9394673
why are you going commando? that shit is crazy uncomfortable and dangerous if you menstruate

>>9395341
not any of them, but i just do it because its more comfortable with some clothes and it is a bit of a thrill. especially with really loose pants since its super breezy and rubs occasionally, or if its a dress. ive done it with skirts before but i dont do it too often since its just riskier as im super tall.

>>9388352
i'd have an easy as fuck chance due to huge as fuck tits, but idk if i could do it like that. not that i don't like my body or anything and i know how thirsty as fuck guys get, i guess im just don't care to make money with my tits.

i like cosplay, but i wouldn't want it to be my job like other cosplayer girls; ie ivy doomkitty.

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>>9399566
You need more than just huge tits. No one likes cowtits, they have to be a nice shaped and look firm.

>>9388352
It's not so much about body type or how well you cosplay, but how good of a mask you can put on while being bombarded with "I wanna fuck you" "I wanna suck on ur tits" "I pay you send nudes" type shit, and having that tied to your name forever.

>>9406244
ANON WANT MILKIES

If somebody wants to just take naked pictures, put them online, and never do anything more, you'll likely just end up getting your nudes leaked online for no pay whatsoever. The example of the guy who likes girls going commando in public is perfect example of how one makes money. You generally have to fulfill a niche or listen to your fans for requests. If people just wanted porn, they could find that anywhere. You have to offer something that they cannot find on /s/, for example. A lot of your more popular girls making actual money off this are pandering to a particular fetish, taking requests for photo themes and subjects from customers, and often engaging their customers in conversation on a more personal level.

The idea people are paying to 'get in someone's pants' is absurd, but it is true they pay for extra attention. The girl who replies nicely to their conversation and engages them in a topic will rake in more money then a girl who just give short responses to her messages and pumps out nude pictures. If some messages with a request for a specific pose, you take a picture in that specific pose. May not seem requested to others, but that person sees it. He's like, 'Cool, thanks for doing what I asked.' There's also other weird ways to supplement one's income doing such work, but that's outside the scope of this conversation. (Selling hair, panties, and even clippings for example.)

>>9407245
This person makes a point too. I mean,, if someone is threatening you, sure, block or delete them, whatever the site allows. That's only for threats of physical violence.

You can never, ever speak up again people saying sexual remarks to you. You cannot tell them to fuck off, you cannot tell them to stop talking to you like that, or anything to 'defend' yourself. You have to play the fantasy of willing and ready. So, as long as their remarks are purely sexual in nature, no matter how far they go with that remark, you cannot say, 'Stop.' If you do, the fantasy is over, and you lose money and fans. In fact, you have to go so far as to play along with it. You don't have to agree like pretending you'd fuck them, but you have to accept it and go along with it even if as a joke. So, ask yourself if you have the mind to deal with that, or are you going to get pissed off every time someone mentioned they'd stick it up your butt.

>>9388352
just go MFC and whore yourself out for 6 months

>>9407437

Yeah that makes sense. I hope other girls think of this before they get into a small business that could ruin their attitude or make them feel gross.
I've had a nsfw blog for a small time and I either laugh or just don't respond at weird anons. As contradictory as it sounds, I don't really live for male attention.
Ideally I'd do lewd, and probably not even as revealing as susu. I realistically just want some extra change to put back into my cosplay. I don't even want to show my face too much, use my real name, etc. Kind of like cosplay gravure where the girls face isn't the focus, but more the outfit/body.
Maybe I sound dumb but I really just want it to be high quality and cutesy more than trashy and "cute pov groping set" like those fat cows do. Thanks for the input anons, I'm definitely not going for fame or big money

>>9407877
Just so whatever susu does. She's raking in huge amounts of money and has the second highest amount of patrons only surpassed by nigiri. She has no drama what so ever and her photos are lewd but never look disgusting and raunchy. She's smart and doing it right which is why everyone copies her. Also she's up front and doesnt deny that she does sex work.

>>9406244
Hmm yes those high standards are common, that must be why Momokun has zero patreons... oh wait.

>>9393740
I wish guys would explain things like you do. I was talking to a guy like you but he lost interest. He was trying to get me to do this but he wouldnt say. Like he wanted me in leggings but not pants. If he wouldve said something we could went to the park.

>>9388352
Don't do this if you cannot handle the fact that it will automatically pull you out as a potential romantic partner for a lot of people. Successful, and average+ looking guys are going to be picky when coming to an actual mate.

You're likely going to attract a lot of creepy attention when you start selling yourself based on sex appeal too. Better be able to handle that because you better damn well know you will get it going in.

You're gonna get lots of catty women shitting on you.

And lastly it's not something you can erase from your history.

It may be "quick and easy" money, but it's not without negatives.

>>9392066
>There's a market for this?
anon, there is a market for just about everything.

>>9406244
lol...for a second I thought that thumbnail was some anon with their pants/shorts pulled down to the knees..

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>>9410112

>implying i dont already have a boyfriend who would let me show the amount of skin i do in a public beach, in cosplay photography

im not being some trashy whore. it's not any worse than him watching porn. and if you're a female on the internet, odds are you've already had creepy neckbeards give you weird comments or anonymous messages because you're into the same hobbies but aren't a landwhale.

i hope i don't sound angry because im not, your post could be true in a lot of ways, but i honestly don't see the harm in making a bit of pocket cash for more cosplays by posing in ways like pic related. obviously you get a little lewder by posing with the focus being on your butt but i find no shame in wearing what i would at the local family pool.
my idea is not momo's disgusting "Cute groping set!!1" but rather something cute, professional (as much as im capable) and small time thing.

im thinking more along the lines of jean_wanwan
she's cute and does a bit of ecchi to get more money, i know she's kind of like nigri in the sense that this is basically their job, but would what she's doing really be perceived so negatively?

i feel like the more of a cow you become the worse the shit you receive will be, but if you're like susu and just create quality content people will be chill about it


sorry this is really long. i think there could be a difference between a cosplayer who does fanservice and someone who outright does explicit sex work like momokun or chellbunny (The one with a pic of her asshole on twitter).
Do you seem to respect people more if they aren't as trashy? or is the act of taking nsfw pictures already cancels out your respect for a person? genuinely curious what the general consensus on this topic is

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>>9388352
please remember to have sexy shoes when you take pics, shoe fetishists are glad to pay

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How many /cgl/ers are on patreon?

Tenleid, Lobitah I know of

>>9410232
Then if you don't want people telling you their opinions, then don't post on this website you piece of shit. You are going to do your own thing anyway, so fuck off /cgl/ and go post nudes to a patreon as tier rewards for that month.

>>9410232
Your current boyfriend may not be your bf forever.

I don't feel ashamed of a lot of things, but context is important.

You may not think yourself a cheap whore, but the people buying your "ecchi" pics aren't doing it to treat you with respect, they're doing it to jerk off. Please don't pretend you don't know that.

You can offer/sell tutorials, tips, tricks, or even things you have created. This is what earns respect. You learn how to do something well, and help others in your community.

Buying a costume and posing for pictures that people want to jerk off to is not a skill. It's something a random person I pull off the street can do with the help of make-up and Photoshop. This does not deserve respect. This does nothing to benefit a community.

>>9406244
Have you ever felt firm tits? Those feel like rocks. Natural tear drops, I don't care how saggy, as way more appealing to me personally as long as they aren't down to their knees. I hate fake boobs. I hate the feel, the bounce, and the look of them, so speak for yourself.

>>9410368
>but the people buying your "ecchi" pics aren't doing it to treat you with respect, they're doing it to jerk off. Please don't pretend you don't know that.


why cant I respect someone I jerk off to?

your boyfriend jerks to you, does that mean he doesnt respect you?

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>>9410326
>28 patrons
>1130 a month

>>9410377
>being the kind of girl to care about your boyfriend only jerking off to you

If someone, with an actual brain, thinks that when you are in a relationship, that the person HAS to jerk off to you and only you, that's fucking sad. This is coming from someone who has been with the same dude for 10 years. You jerk off to what you want to jerk off to. That's your own time. Or shared time, but in that case it can be you or something else on their mind. Hell, I don't think of my boyfriend about 5% of the time I masturbate.

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>>9410382

>>9410382
Probably sucks a few of them off at cons.

>>9410232
The problem with that fat disgusting slob chellhellbunny is that she's flat out pathetic and desperate. Sure she is ugly and fat but there is a market for that and if she just did sex work no one would care. She's a pathetic loser desperate for validation from the lowest men on the internet. She kisses ass in the most despicable manner ever (writing people's names on her asshole) and constantly blocks and tries to start drama with cuter more succsesful girls. She's also fucking triggered by everything even though she tries to act like she's cool and edgy.

Momo does softcore porn and keeps denying she does sex worker and shiting in sex workers with stupid hashtags like #lewdsbeforenudes (gee who is she ripping off with that little catchphrase). Momo also produces crap quality work on top of all the defensive bullshit and denial.

Now you have women like kassandra leigh, vera bambi, elise laurenne and susu who have no drama, take care of their bodies and admit to what they do. They might do nudity/almost nudity but they don't have trashy attitudes and make decent quality content and actually look like their photos.

In my opinion it's more about not being a trashy over photoshopped liar. If sex work was the problem people would constantly be trashing the cam girls who make cosplay porn like Lana Rain. No one gives a fuck because they aren't delusional about what they do.

>>9410394
Ever since the swimsuit girl started calling her non-nude soft core pics "lewds" these other cosplay hos have really gone overboard using lewd for everything.

>>9410377
C'mon...
See:
>>9410232
>and if you're a female on the internet, odds are you've already had creepy neckbeards give you weird comments or anonymous messages because you're into the same hobbies but aren't a landwhale.
You can't be this delusional about who the people buying the ecchi photos are?

>>9410232
I am going to be real: it's fucking sex work and this is the one thing that bothers me: tee hee boys it's not sex work if it isn't nude: it is, hell courts have decided no sexual contact cuddling is prostitution, and if you don't acknowledge that you are worse than a hyprocrite, you are looking down on your own fellow sex workers.

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Reminder J-Nig makes 45K per month

https://graphtreon.com/creator/jessicanigri

>>9410771

you can look down at other sex workers while still being one. for example, i would look down on someone doing nazi fetish or scat work, it's disgusting and i although i wouldn't voice my opinion, i would infact look down on them, just as a i do someone like chellbunny.

i don't think i've ever said it wouldn't be sex work, i know. i just rarely think about guys possibly jerking off to me even though the pictures are in a sexual nature. i know it must happen, and people sometimes remind me but personally it just doesn't cross my mind a lot. i don't post content to make people jerk off, i'd flash my tits for the fun of it for free on tumblr if that's what my goal was. i just want to make a slightly no nude/nsfw product for a bit of pocket change, not make a career out of showing t&a.

good to know there's still a bit of space to squeeze in the market.

>>9411028
You're literally planning to sell content for sexual gratification. It doesn't matter whether that crosses your mind or not, that's what you are doing. You clearly recognize it.
>i don't post content to make people jerk off
Not yet, but it sure sounds like you are planning to sell it sometime in the near future.

Your level of denial is insane.

>>9410084
(I'm the guy you responded to.)

I wish I'd actually get chances with girls like you who were interested in playing along. Somehow I seem to be a magnet for prudes and masochists and never girls with healthy sexual appetites.

>>9388352
just know that it's basically porn you're selling.

No ones interested in your photosets because they love your art, they can see that in google results if you cosplay is half decent; this stuff is done to sell softcore porn. It's just a seperate gateway for it. So ask yourself if you're comfortable with that, otherwise just cosplay for fun.

>>9411028
>>9411069
lol yeah that "I dont post content to make people jerk off" is purreee bullshit in the "selling cosplay pics" circles. The least you can say about "sex workers" is that they're extremely unhappy and doing it reluctantly. I know a good few who got out of it. Pride and spite is emplyed by people who don't care what disgusting shit they do for money but still wanna pretend they're decent people. I would direct your attention to women who literally get men to take dumps on them for money talking about how "proud" they are of their work, and how it has a "secret underlying meaning" LOL.

>>9389864
I would pay an obscene amount of money for fancy pre-1900 period military clothing, though that's more of a /k/ thing.

>>9389326
you're the kind of guy that donates 2000 dollars to a twitch stream, aren't you?

>>9412331
No, absolutely not, I'm not some pathetic virgin who throws money away hoping that it'll get me something. I don't even watch the kinds of streamers that guys do stuff like that with.

Paying for porn is just buying a clearly defined product. It's not a gift, she has something I want and I give her money for it.

>>9411069

i guess i phrased it wrong. im basically saying that to me, i dont really sexualize things myself. i could post a picture of myself in a skirt and that might just make people have dirty thoughts, but it doesn't often cross my mind. im just not always thinking about sex or the way i dress since it's pretty normal.
i wouldn't sell pics with the intent to want people to jerk off to me in the sense that it would grant me satisfaction. i know what the pics can do, and it is sex work, but it's not entirely pornographic material. when i look at gravure it's just a girl in a swimsuit, that does nothing for me.

i know that girls go "it's not porn geez guys!!" when theyre showing pussy lips and their whole tits except the nip, but laying around in a bathing suit is not full out pornography to me. i consider it sex work, but not porn since porn imo includes genitalia exposed or even the act of sex

>>9389345
Strange.
I'm a girl and for about half a month at a time I tend to go commando because it's just comfortable. I don't have nuts that need to be held in place.
find yourself a girl who does you man.

>>9407245
This is the main reason I'd never do it.
I'm a massive fan of the medium, and cosplaying makes me super happy. I have a objectively great body, my boobs are on the large side. Pretty in the face. All the good shit. At least that's what a lot of my guy friends tell me.
But I also work in the games industry, and I wouldn't want people I work with knowing who I am or doing it at all; especially so if I was getting money out of it for doing something a little more lewd than generic cosplay.
shrug

>>9410794
Jeez, seriously? Wow. I had no idea there was that kind of money for this sort of thing.

>>9388352
>obese
no one is paying for that shit

>>9414864

Momokun's flabby ass makes 16k a month

>>9413579
there is when you whore out hard and are "hot" to most people, also being normal weight works too unless you are curvy and not "fat curvy" and wear a corset