Art Theft General Thread

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>>9377488
>Sick of hearing about thing
>Makes thread about thing

You have a right to have you jimmies rustled but your logic seems kind of weird.

>>9377490

lol. true, but this whole hanueli vs art theives saga has been going on forever. and it seems like any time any commentator ever disagrees with hanueli, her army goes after them. How dare anyone disagree with haneuli?

>>9377488
I'm really upset over this too. I really liked the skeleton dress she made and have considered buying from her in the past. As an illustrator, anyone who places your work on their body is trying to honor your work. Most artists want to have this kind of fandom (some even want fan-fic or porn parodies). If you have that, you've basically made it. Hanueli basically said "Fuck You" to her biggest fans. For that, I can't and won't ever buy from her. It's not a cultural thing. No person OR company does this. Its beyond tasteless and not what I expected from her. I could have understood a few days but it's over a month (feels like 2)

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lmao did someone call her out?

>>9377496
As if a single person with that tattoo knows about Haenuli. They just found it and decided to use it, sometimes even with alterations.

>>9377496
I don't get what happened, she doesn't like fanart ? or someone got a tattoo ?

Has Jee left? Updates now never feature her.

Nunu should've known the consequences of posting her personal art online.

>>9377591
I understand she's upset, but I'd let go some of this fighting against tattoos at this point. It's just going to be a losing battle and tattoos tend to be seen as free game because normies are dumb.
>>9377496
Art theft is still art theft, even if it's on your body. She is not getting properly paid for her art on any tattoo and you clearly don't know how art theft works in that regard at all. It's not "Fuck you" at all and you sound like the type that thinks they're entitled to replicas because it's "just art".

>>9377496
but the problem is that her images are circulated around the net (see >>9377588). at that point it's not her work anymore. tattoos feel pretty gray-area since some are ok and others are not with the practice, but going so much as using it and changing a little bit of it is -basically- stealing an artist's work. at least have some decency to ask the artist for a stencil inspired by her work and create something original.

>>9377496
why do people always act like if a content creator doesn't always bow to the wishes of their fans it's a "fuck you". Creators are people who get to have their own feelings and opinions, not trained monkeys. If you can't respect how they feel then you're probably the jerk.
Honestly using another person's work without their permission is sketchy. It's not yours to do as you wish with.

>>9377496

> person gets tattoo
> it's terrible
> everytime someone asks, they say it's "art by X"
> strangers first contact with X's art doesn't reflect the actual qualities of the product
> X's image is now warped

See how it works? It's the same reason companies go against IP violations all the time, even the free ones.

>>9377580
Tfw someone called me out for copying Haenuli's St Vitus print with one of my accessories when I literally bought the same stock photo as she did for the perfect match.
You know, stock photos of a real thing that existed before Haenuli did.

>>9377496
Getting a tattoo of an artwork is not flattering for the artist at all. Many tattoo artist refuse to do so, because they take pride in designing a new tattoo for the customers with their own style.

If someone got a crappy tattoo of one of my works I'd feel shitty as well.
And attitudes like this just make more artist quit social media. I'm really angry how many of my favourite artist quit posting, because their stuff goit too popular and people just did what they wanted with it.

>>9377607

Wat. That's pretty dumb considering the actual, official reason for using different stock photos for St Vitus is because the photog for St Giles wanted a much higher price for her to make more of that dress. You'd think that at least would clue people in that the artwork on her dresses are purchased stock art.

>>9377595
It doesn't matter how much her art is circulated it is still hers. You don't lose ownership of your original creations because it's out in the world. The art is still hers and she has a right to say "hey., please don't do that with my art" its a different story if people choose to respect her wishes. She can always go after them legally if she wishes tho.

You would think lolitas of all people would understand how shitty it is to think you are entitled to someone's art...

>>9377496
Haenuli's art has been making the rounds on normie aggregator sites - Pinterest, 9gag, etc. etc, sometimes without credit. There's been people who even placed their own watermark over hers.

The people who are getting tattoos aren't her "biggest fans," they're normies who saw a cute image online and decided to get it tattooed...they probably have no clue who she is.

I agree with you to a point, though you gotta understand that not all fan works are very flattering. Think of how many people refuse to have anything to do with a work because of its horrible, shitty fandom. Undertale, Steven Universe, YOI might be just a few examples I've seen online. All great works, all with a fandom that's insufferable to various degrees.

>>9377591
Jees mom is really sick so Jee quit to take care of her

>>9377488
>I'm so sick of this topic I made a thread about it

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This topic has been discussed to death.
Why do y'all care so much about whatever Haenuli is doing anyways.

>>9377488
>I'm sooooooo sick of haenuli
>topic has been discussed to death in the general
>starts new thread on haenuli

Look, I don't even care about haenuli but I'm tired of this discussion. If you're so tired of this why keep bringing it up?

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>>9377488

This pretty much. I used to love haneuli's story you don't know but now it just reminds me of the petty drama she started every time I see it

>>9377591
it isn't personal art. she released many of the illustrations in a limited art book.

different scale of fame, but if sakizo was vocal about not wanting copies or tattoos made of his art and the fans knew that would you be this mad about subsequent complaints?

the art from that collection was chilling, touching, and awesome. Unfortunately people don't even think to find the original artist and ask permission. they just print out some reblogged image (that even made its way to Alice Cooper's twitter iirc) and ask a tattoo artist to copy it on their body. rarely for free mind you.

>>9378117
What? The book didnt just start as a book, the doodles were her personal art, not drawn to be bought originally. The art was just her own personal work that she liked sharing in the beginning.

But due to fans reactions she drew more and released her artwork for fans to buy and finally made a dress with it.

>>9377665
Actually, no she can't. If its been published on a public site, you lose your rights to it. It's not like anyone claimed it was there's and got money from doing so. The price for the tattoo pays for the tattoo artist's service and tools, not for the artwork itself.

Might be immoral, but it's not illegal.

Anyone notice all the secrets with the Taobao items, AE brooch and other items Haenuli claimed were her work were simultaneously removed from BtB?

>>9377496
>getting this triggered

>>9378180
And now her defenders in the comments are trying to imply the secrets didn't expose anything and it was the factories taking advantage of Haenuli?

Maaaaannnnnn. What a fuckshow.

>>9378180
>>9378190
Crap. Anyone saved them?

>>9378190
>>9378203
>>9378180
They were just pictures of the accessories on taobao/ae vs haenuli. There is more information in the comments than there was on the secrets.

>>9378173
That's not how copyright/intellectual property works. It doesn't matter where work is posted, it still belongs to you, but you certainly lose how much you can control it. Star Wars is still copyrighted even though it's a very publicly posted thing.
im not sure if she could go after people who have tattoos of her work on them, I think tattoos/fan art falls under fair use but I'm not entirely sure. The best she could do would be a fine and her doing that would definitely damage her reputation.

>>9378207
Pretty sure they fall under fair use, she's just got that ingrained Korean hatred of tattoos over her thoughts. Might not be fair use in Korea that said due to their strict laws on tattoos.

>>9378205
I disagree. Without the image comparisons, it is not clear which secret revealed what, and because many people missed them and others are arguing in the comments section, you do not get a clear idea of what happened - beyond Haenuli requesting the images be taken down, which dominates a large part of the discussion.

I would not even be mad about a business doing as she does (it is common enough), but for her public and vocal disdain for misappropriation of her work in combination with her apparent determination to cover her tracks. She has said there's no excuse for theft on her instagram. Whole debacle stinks to high heaven.

>>9378218
They were all kind of the same, like a picture of a necklace on aliexpress vs a picture of the same necklace with haenuli's brand on it. Little to no text. Most of the pictures were posted on cgl already.

>>9378218
So did she steal a design from AliExpress or did she purchase a ton of items from AliExpress and is now selling them? I saw that fox pin on her Fb and noticed it went down after someone pointed out it was also on AliExpress

>>9378223
It had been on aliexpress since a year ago as well.

>>9378218
And they were removed really fast, when they were removed there was only one comment (the first comment on secret 1), so the people commenting are not commenting on the images themselves.

>>9377488
Wasn't what happened with the tattoo incident
>Can I get a tattoo of your art?
>I would prefer you not.
>Ah whoops, I thought you would say yes so I went ahead and did it anyway

>>9377609
Most artists will think it's flattering, why would you put it publicly EVERYWHERE if you didn't want it shared? But if you are feeling shitty, that is one thing but the way she was going after the tattoo artist just isn't ip protection. It's harassment, bullying, fraud (making up accounts to give bad reviews online), and sue-able. Legally, her claim is weak. What she thinks she lost was nothing. The tattoo artist wasn't selling her print, it was brought to him. He however was clearly harassed from her, libel, and slander.

This isn't even an IP battle but IP battles can get very hairy. Major companies have bankrupted themselves or nearly bankrupted themselves out of business by suing and losing (especially in the 80's & 90's)...

She already sold the product (reservations). It's not that she is still producing more right now. The art floating everywhere should have increased her sales. If not, it's from a) her 'tude -which is why i missed this order or b) it's not as good as she thinks it is with all this attention on it.


>>9378189
Not buying from someone is a personal stance. In the end it doesn't hurt me, it hurts her business's sales. So unless you're buying 2 dresses instead of 1, you're not helping haenuli and offsetting her loss of a sale.

>>9378223
According to Haenuli (so take it for what you will), she buys these charms and crap all from chinese/korean wholesale stores, some she changes up to be more "her work". Then she sales them.

I had really liked her but it sounds pretty fishy to me, I think she just thought no one would know about a crappy brooch that was relatively new.

But she did even go out of her way to find where the brooch originated from (some paris shop?) and linked it on her profile to let others know, she claims not to have known of its origins besides seeing it in wholesale stores.

T

>>9378229
I think that's how it started, and fair enough for it upsetting her, but the on her IG she has a whole collage of tattoos. When people pointed out that others may not realize who she is, how she feels about tattoos or how old the images are due to lack of research, she said it takes two minutes to google it.

Which is true, but then she's selling a replica of a French designer's pin (which she claimed she put the components of together herself at different shops) and made it into a brooch - when all those parts always went together and the frame was always a brooch. It is hypocritical and irresponsible at best, given her very adament stance on art theft. Downright deceptive at worst.

Then there's the bonnet (but I do not know if she ever called that an original design so idk).

>>9378240
Her argument is any art someone creates is theirs. That makes her, by her logic an art theft?
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>>9378211
>she's just got that ingrained Korean hatred of tattoos over her thoughts.
she has said there is a tattoo artist she personally knows that she would allow to tattoo the design because she trusts them, so that is not wholly true. i do not think she is entirely rational about it, but i compare this to other indie artists who might ask fans not to do certain types of fanart. fans who respect the creator will follow the request, fans who don't won't.

>>9378242
>When people pointed out that others may not realize who she is, how she feels about tattoos or how old the images are due to lack of research, she said it takes two minutes to google it.
to be fair, anyone who gets a tattoo of a random internet image without googling its source is acting stupidly. imagine a housewife getting a Pedobear tat because it looked cute and she didn't track down its source.

>>9378242
>It is hypocritical and irresponsible at best, given her very adament stance on art theft. Downright deceptive at worst.
on the brooch subject, i agree with above anon.

as for what to do about it, i do not wear lolita so a boycott from me would be pointless. i think it would not be out of line to boycott her if you feel she has behaved poorly, but if you do, i would expect you to do the same in other areas of your shopping life. if the issue is art theft, then you should avoid cute Taobao/AE stuff in general. if the issue is hypocrisy or deception, you should start gardening your own food and making your own clothes because there are few businesses untouched by this kind of scandal.

I find people who say "a tattoo is the highest form of flattery!" just retarded. How hard is it to understand that's it's a basic respect thing? It's personal artwork to her that's pretty damn meaningful, so if she doesn't want strangers getting tattooed with her work, she is not obligated to feel honored because they do. If they enjoy the artwork, they should respect the artist.

>>9378313
If she places her art everywhere online, sells the artwork in books & on dresses, it's not personal artwork. She sold her right. It's purely commercial and looks grubby (because she isn't getting a cut except from one tatoo artist). Just sayin'

>>9378306
There's a difference between boycotting a luxury or recreational good and boycotting fresh produce and food generally, which is necessary to survival and isn't necessarily grown quickly and easily (especially for those in shoebox apartments). You can choose to boycott Haenuli and still buy apples from a supermarket.

>>9378117
Wait, sakizo is a man? I always thought the artist was a woman!

>>9378306
>if the issue is hypocrisy or deception, you should start gardening your own food and making your own clothes

But I dont buy tomatoes from walmart then turn around and sell them as my own tomatoes for 20 more bucks.

>>9378322
What is "everywhere" to you? She only posted her shit on her personal facebook and on her store.

Others posted it on other sites

And what makes it not personal just because she decided to sell it? Personal is just what it means to her. Now I think if it meant that much to her that she shouldnt have sold it, but selling your art does not detach you from how you feel about it and what the art meant to you.

Artists need money to eat and live

>>9378343
Sakizo is a woman

>sage for ot

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>>9378203
>>9378180
>>9378190
>>9378218
Will upload them here in a second.

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>>9378345
But if that's the case and personal is what it means to her, then personal means what it means to the viewer AND the person who puts a tattoo of it on her body. I don't agree with either stance. If it was personal, she should not post it online. If it was personal, she should not try to sell it. The replica items she ripped isn't personal because she didn't make it which is the whole problem. It's hypocritical of her to get mad at what she's doing herself by her definition. It clearly is different from my definition, but she is breaking her own rules.

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>>9378355

>>9378351
>>9378352
>>9378353
>>9378355
>>9378363
omfg ARE YOU SHITTING ME RIGHT NOW?? And Nunu made btb take these down? How the fuck is she any different from bodyline tho??

>>9378368
>How the fuck is she any different from bodyline tho??
At this point it's even insulting to Bodyline.

>>9378368

Yan = Cheap purchase with a free touch, rolls with it
Haenelui = Better quality, complains more, touching cost extra

Srsly tho that ain't cool HONEY

>>9378371

Kinda. Considering yan doesn't go around and censor btb this is really hypocritical and fucked up desu.

>>9378401
d a m a g e c o n t r o l

>>9378353
>>9378363
Oh god. I didn't feel too strongly one way or the other until I saw these. Ripping off a fellow indie brand, even if it's Chinese, is really fucking low.

>>9378401
>>9378422
...posted too soon, oops. Damage control indeed.

>>9378401
Fucking WOW

When you buy product from a company such as crosses, you ARE NOT THE DESIGNER. Part of a pre-constructed product is still not your design. That's typically fan work or etsy shop claims of handmade. They are not handmade, they are assembled like any factory.

If she was drawing, drafting patters, and submitting them to a manufacturer to create, that's handmade. For Haenuli to steal others designs for years, claiming 2014 is when she stopped, she should have a little more reason behind someone getting a tattoo which is not even selling the same product, if you're crazy enough to feel it's theft. All I read is Haenuli actually stealing art = okay but what she makes is the most precious metal that you can't touch but you kind of have to know about.

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>>9378401
I got a copy of Haenuli's new art book and dress right here.

>>9378342
>>9378345
>being this literal

why hold Haenuli up to a standard you do not hold, say, Apple or Samsung up to? do you really buy goods only from businesses that have never engaged in unethical behavior?

i suspect most of those who are excited to get on a high horse about Haenuli still buy mass-produced consumer goods from corporations with complex histories of deceit and exploitation. however, unlike the perceived necessity of (for example) buying toothpaste from a store known to deceive local businesspeople that its presence will help them when it knows it will drive them out of business (i.e., Wal-Mart), it will cost lolitas nothing to "boycott" Haenuli. the brand has never been popular on /cgl/ and other brands exist at comparable quality for comparable pricing.

it is very convenient to choose boycotting Haenuli as your moral stand to make, because you lose nothing. when worse things are done or said by other companies, and boycotting them would be inconvenient, i think there is a point at which most anons ITT would trade their moral superiority in for the sake of a good price or a convenient location or just plain old "retail therapy."

this Haenuli kerfluffle is a petty nonissue with no lasting impact.

>>9378401
So, she apologized to the Elpress owner and worked things out. What else can she do in that situation to make up for things?

She says she will not sell any of the red riding hood charms. So, what else can she do to make up for it?

What is the next step /cgl/ requires from her?

>>9378459

Um. I think the focus wasnt on her mass produced replica goods but rather her behavior/philosophy on art theft, ie when it comes to others using her art for personalized tattoos, sharing her art on social media, etc. Also her abuse of power to censorship on btb is a fucked up move, imho.

>>9378459
You make a lot of great points, but imo talking about companies like Walmart in the same breath as Haenuli is a little hyperbolic and not really a fair comparison. You're 100% right in that people don't boycott these big companies because it would be inconvenient, but I'd like to think that at least some of the people who are upset are that way because they want to hold people within the community to a higher standard when it comes to business integrity. If we're going to be spending money on a luxury hobby, it's nice to know that we're not spending it with people who will happily step on or otherwise exploit other members of the community as long as they think they can get away with it. I think this also contributes to the mindset that makes so many lolitas criticize Bodyline, the Leighs or Choke...they try so hard to be "in" the community but can't seem to exist without exploiting other members of the community.

>>9378465

wait. so if someone apologizes TO haenuli for a tattoo that they personally chose to have on their OWN body, then things would be ok?

Yet selling other people's work and apologizing for it is ok?

wut. I dont actually get this.

>>9378465
The screen shot from her store shows she is selling other peoples items still.
> "we do resell some of items from Korean whole sale accessories market".

She's still branding it as her own
> "it is customer's choice where to buy it"

How is that an apology? She is owning up to art theft...

>>9378469
>her abuse of power to censorship
so you boycott all Disney products, right?

they still haven't acknowledged their Kimba theft.

don't get hung up on specifics, please. (food was used for one example, mass market goods in another, the TYPE of goods is not the point.) the point is that the attitude people are showing towards Haenuli is convenient because it has no impact. considering the board's general anti-SJW stance, it is doubtful anyone applies their reason for shunning Haenuli to everything they could if they truly believed in the principles they claim to be following as they discuss boycotting Haenuli.

>>9378469
Exactly this.

I love her dresses, I truly do, and I honestly have no plans on "boycotting" her, but its the simple fact that she gets SO upset about art theft and goes overboard explaining why, and then turns around steals the art of others to make a profit off of that is just disappointing.

She's basically showing that she only cares if it has to do with her personally.


I dont think its fucked up though to request the secrets to be taken down, anyone can ask that and BTB will take them down. (as far as ive ever known)

>>9378471
>they want to hold people within the community to a higher standard when it comes to business integrity
this (and your post in general) makes sense. some of the comments have seemed inauthentic/tumblr-tier, but if the focus is just on creating a better community (and not being morally superior in general) then that seems valid.

>>9378473
that post is asking what is left to do for Haenuli to be okay if she has already addressed and apologized for things. but as >>9378473 notes, the things are still on her store. maybe after the weekend they will come down.

>>9378482
meant to quote >>9378472 the first time

actually, i checked her store and only the cross necklace is up for sale. so if the wolf pin had been up, it is now down, which seems the right thing to do.

>>9378471

Offtopic, Choke did something to exploit other members of the community?

>>9378475
I didn't write what you're responding to, but WTF? You crazy girl.

What does food or mass markets have to do with this? This is all about specifics. Specifically Haenuli mad at not getting paid from the one tattoo artist she trusts to be honest with her (because she's in the tattoo industry now) and how she's lost a sale to a tattoo artist in the UK for fulfilling a request from a customer who brought in a design who is a fan and emailed Haenelui after getting the tattoo saying 'cool rite'? H got mad, slandered/libel against tatoo artist illegally (regardless of country) and H is also still thieving art from others yet it's only wrong if she doesn't like it happening to her (which it's not theft for tattoos, legally). Again, the design was brought to the guy, he did not put it out on his display either.

Right. bodyline took their replicas down too. Errybody is doing the right thing down too.

>>9378485
The wolf brooch hadnt ever gone up

>>9378486
It's been her business model since day 1, people just give her a free pass because she's popular.

the craziest thing to me about all this is that when I bought that cross necklace (like two, three years ago?) I bought it on eBay for like $3 shipped and only found out much later that Haenuli sells it for fuckin $30. I just about died and then told all the girls in my comm.

>>9378475
> making the assumption that people don't boycott other unethical companies

People can boycott Haenuli. They can boycott whoever they want. Maybe they boycott producers of necessities or only luxuries. Their hypocrisy does not matter unless it is a platform they are pushing publicly and hard.

Kinda like Haenuli.

>>9378514
I don't find her up-charging a terrible crime. I would be upset if I bought it though (very angry). When others do the same practice and she goes out of her way to attack their livelihood, that's messed up of her and hypocritical.

>>9378524

Ohhh yeah, I would have been fucking pissed if I'd bought Haenuli's and then found the eBay one. Then I probably would have bought twenty and slowly sold them at a "slightly discounted because it's used" price in the BST or on lacemarket because I'm a capitalist dog.

>>9378534
>bought twenty and slowly sold them at a "slightly discounted because it's used"
...so what's stopping people from doing this? because lmfao

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>>9378539

>>9378355
Can I get a link on these? they are cute af.

>>9378355
I just read this
>Look what we made crazy cute pins
>Look what we made
>we made

NOPE!

>>9378207
It depends on the site. Also, Star Wars is copyrighted before going onto public sites anyway, so that doesn't really compare.

However, regardless of that, she still wouldn't be able to chase tattoos legally. Which is probably why she went down the stalking root

>>9378352
Anyone has a link to this???

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>>9377488
>>9377594
>>9377609

on the tattoo note, similarly she's done this "galaxy makeup" which is obviously Qinniart's galaxy watercolour.

I kinda hope this drama means I'll finally get my hands on angel of music in white. Been trying to get that for ever.

>>9378539
>>9378534
>>9378514


Wait, you mean there's actually a sizeable market for this? I've rarely seen Haenuli's accessories traded on lacemarket and always assumed her overpriced accessories cater for those girls who don't mind paying extra to have the ease of being able to order a whole coord off her shop. Man, I could've been scalping fake Haenuli all this while.

I Just wanted a re rerelease of Angel Of Music, I don't care for The rest...

>>9378763
>>9378778
SAME! Boycott her so it will force her to re-release that print.

Aaaaaand now this is being discussed on RC: Uncensored, with the Haenuli fanclub version of the story.

Cool.

>>9378782
If that would actually work, I'd start spreading some shit right now.

>>9378790
caps please

I don't care about the ethics of the situation but Haenuli is a whiny, hypocritical cunt. I've never liked any of her dresses so I don't think I'll need to "boycott" her but how much of a hypocrite do you have to be to cry this much about art theft, go out of your way to cyberbully some girl who got a tattoo while you are representing your brand, all the while you are selling things that you didn't make and claiming them as your own. She just seems incredibly childish.

>art theft
Reproducing something is more akin to piracy than theft.

>>9378401
Seems reasonable desu, I thought it was common knowledge that some of the small accessories she sells are resold from elsewhere? If you look at videos of her physical shop in Korea it used to operate more like a boutique. When she comes to events she brings small jewellery to sell as well as her main lines, stuff that isn't on her webshop that seem to be assembled from cabochons and ring backings (rings etc). Nobody seemed to have a problem with that at TPC, especially since she priced them pretty low.

>>9378746
You guys are really clutching at straws now, constellations and galaxy make-up were around before Qinniart.

>>9378680
>>9378352
This one is here but won't ship to UK, which might mean it's a replica:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Fashio-Super-long-sweater-chain-accessories-pearl-double-cross-long-necklace-/351838339502

> Bodyline is literally run by a sex offender
> Big brands still providing items to Leigh's shop
> Models and celebs still going to AM
> Didn't Mana flat out say he didn't want 'fat' girls in his clothing?

Haenuli's the bad guy though

>>9378953
> omg people complaining about Trump when Kim Jong Un

> omg people complaining about climate change when nuclear war

> omg person complains about illness when AIDS

etc

>>9378953
>bodyline
No body supports them. It's buy from them still but that's it.
>Am
People constantly judge the guests who go and ppl who buy the tickets. Big brands who got scammed before don't send items that way.
>mana
Meh, he can't even fit into his own small sizes

Yeah haenuli is the bad guy because they fucked up. Doesn't change the other issues.

>>9378486
People don't receive their wigs or get any information about it, and they complain on lockshop's fb page. Choke deletes them and ignores them, doesn't say anything about giving people their items. YOu can find more info in the archives.

>>9378953
>Didn't Mana flat out say he didn't want 'fat' girls in his clothing?
What's wrong with this?

>>9378815
hey how's your cringe thread doing

>>9378459
Like I would buy poorly constructed, short on details, oversized haenuli in the first place. I'm not a fatty, anon. Even if I were, I'd try to buy custom taobao instead

lol a bunch of girls in my comm are FB besties with nunu and my whole feed is overflowing with LEAVE BRITNEY ALOOOONE-tier defenses

Leave nunu alone, gaiz~

>>9378993
How are they even defending this kind of behavior?

>>9378993
There isn't anything left to say that hasn't already been said. Unless something new comes to light, it's just circlejerking at this point. It's also been made clear that no one in the jerkcircle has a clear action plan for when enough will be enough.

>>9379004

"you're complaining about a premade brooch you would have to fly to korea to find in a materials market!!"

pretty sure it's on aliexpress, but okay.

>>9379036
It's on ebay too

>>9377488
>HOWEVER, that being said,,, I get why she was so mad about it in the first place bc she is the artist. But srsly tracking down the girl who got the tattoo and fucking stalking the tattoo artist?? Aint that going too far?


Can't find it because mobile but I've seen someone have a court order to make a person get a tattoo removed either with laser removal or a cover up because they stole the design. Tattoos follow exactly the same laws as any other kind of art.

The artist is well within their legal right to do this kind of shit, it just depends on how much money, time and salt the person is willing to throw at it. Don't want it to happen to you? Don't be a fucking cheapass and steal shit. "Loving" something is not an excuse for stealing it, only five year olds are expected to have such low levels of self control and entitlement.

>>9377488
Keep in mind that tattoos are pretty taboo in Korea... it's not even legal to be a tattoo artist. It seems like overracting to us, but I imagine on her end, if she saw people with pictures of tattoos using her art, she'd feel very.. I dunno, embarrassed? Ashamed? Especially if those pictures started circulating Korean networks where the netizens are particularly harsh and unforgiving.

>>9379061

lol wtf. source plais.
seagullattorneyatlaw.gif

>>9378953
Most designers don't want fat fucks in their clothing, they just allow it because they need the money.

Was Haenuli the one who got banned from the Korean comm for scalping dresses that friends sold to her? And the one who got the old Lief stock and sold that online as well, even though many people hadn't received their Lief orders? It might have been another Korean brand but I'm fairly sure I remembered it being her

>>9379036
lol I bought it on AliExpress last year but okay

>>9379113
in uni atm and only have my mobile on me and can't be bothered to trawl on it. If the thread is still up when I'm back I'll try and post.

>>9379061
Stop making shit up. There is a legal case on tattoos and removal but it's DIGITAL removal. Some artists trademarked tattoos they placed on nba players as works of art. It's legal to trademark a tattoo on ONE person in particular, not tattoos as a whole. Last year's game did not pay royalties for the ADs (tattoos) on the players so they had to DIGITALLY remove them from the game. VIDEO GAME REMOVAL OF TATTOO =/= REAL

>>9379087
She said she has a tattoo artist friend who she'd trust to tattoo her art.

>>9379125
No idea what you're talking about m8. I'm from the UK, and this was featured in a uk newspaper. Basketball isn't a thing here.

The case I'm talking about involved the person agreeing to either laser away the design or get a cover up. Neither party was particularly famous, either. Nothing to do with basketball.

>>9379126
oh.

That's super weird.

Stop with this tattoos in Korea angle. It's a non issue.

Tattoos are legal to have in Korea. Tattoo artists are not legal to set up shop UNLESS you are a doctor. It's more acceptable then it once was, but older people frown on them. Whatever, this is not the issue discussed since Haenuli allows ONE tattoo artist to use her image (which isn't that original by the way).

Haenuli thieving art and saying its hers is, which there is proof of in posts above. Haenuli bullying through slander and libel is, which she has been posting all over her facebook. These filled in with the general hypocrisy of it being okay for her to do it, but not others. And that since only 1 of her friends would pay her every time they use her tattoo (which makes it okay to her) feels rather gross and icky

>>9379122
I think she was

>>9378946
An example of anons doing the lords work

>>9378352
I can't find the black cross necklace anywhere, I have a mighty need. reverse image search only got me white ones

>>9378858
Same anon, I feel exactly like you. Her designs aren't my thing to begin with so I don't need to boycott, but seeing asspats and kisses all the time for her tattoo art theft call-outs got very tiring. No matter what she whines about her e famous fans, or should i say friends will always be comforting her and agreeing.
I feel especially bad for Elpress L because their prices are very reasonable for the amount of details they put in. The bonnet gate above is a total joke.

>>9378946
>You guys are really clutching at straws now, constellations and galaxy make-up were around before Qinniart.

Sure, but her make up is exactly like the one on Qinniart's work, the stars are disposed in the same order, you need to be blind to not see it. Qinniart's watercolor was her reference and that can't be denied.

Now, that isn't a crime, but if she can be a whiny cunt because someone else reproduce her work without giving her credit, then people are allowed to complain when her hypocrite ass does the same. And the other artist has the right to stalk her and make public accusations because she didn't give them credit for painting their intellectual property on her face.

>>9379401
>the stars are disposed in the same order
Fucking where? You're reaching, anon. It's literally just a criss cross of stars on some pastel bg.

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>>9379427
Obviously it's a different angle and her face is 3d so it won't look the same, but the main idea is there.

>>9379427
>>9379570
the colors match up as well. blue in the middle with red on the edges. she even hi-lighted her nose pink just like the drawing lmao

I dont see why its a big deal. I mean the dress is the most important part, and hers are always top tier in execution... Indie fashion has different expectations than art prints. Reusing metal trinkets and hair accessories happens all the time in boutiques

>>9379678
I disagree with you, her dresses are not always top tier in execution.

>>9379678
Their dresses always have a weird torso lenght...

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>>9379678
Are you sure, anon?

>>9379678
It would be one thing if she just straight up said she was reselling cheap Chinese trinkets, but she clearly tried to say she made it herself when she just bought eBay shit to resell.

Also see other replies for her dresses. They're always wonky in one way or another. But that's neither here nor there save for being dishonest about the lace on one of her releases. Even taobao shops have always informed me about lace changes. That's just unprofessional.

>>9379681
she fixed the torso issue like years ago

also a lot of people have long torsos and actually didn't mind the length when that was happening

>>9379684
every brand has occasional defects.

>>9379703
But that was not an isolated case of ONE dress, all the production came out with a different fabric. That makes it super shady and unprofessional because it shows that she has is not involvement or interest in quality control of her OWN brand, if you want to defend Haenuli please choose another argument.

>>9379703
Yes but most brands don't make a big and very public stink about people stealing their work and do the exact same thing. Her weird construction and subpar designs only make it easier for us to not support a hypocrite.

>>9379710
Has not involvement or interest*
Sorry, I'm on mobile and didn't see the extra "is".

>>9379570
you realize that 'intellectual property' claim can't be applied when you're changing mediums as drastically as comparing watercolor to face-painting? like fuck if that were true think of how many BJD companies could sue the pants off've tumblr teenagers or vlogger 'makeup gurus' like Michelle Phan or Venus Angelic.

>>9379742
think of how many companies could sue*

>>9378953
Some people chose not to support them for it tho? They are all shitty for what they did. It's not a competition where only the winner gets dumped.

>>9379754
I think people have a fad mentality. They'll hate while it's a hot button and then let it go a short while later. None of this will be relevant in a couple months.

>>9379742
THIS
Same goes from sketches, dresses, and books to tattoos.
I have no idea why someone is arguing over the face paint. It's trivial to me. But Haenlui is clearly bullying, lying, claiming product as hers, and breaking laws (harassment, libel, slander). Just sayin'

>>9379742
So it's ok to reproduce her drawings on people's skin, right? different mediums and so, no problem then, she can't claim intellectual property and whine like a bitch.

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>>9379805
Copying a character's makeup isn't the same as reproducing someone's entire work, anon.
EA can't sue me if I decide to do my eyeliner like this from now on, even though they own the rights to this character and her design.

>>9379849
Quick version: The tattoo is legal. Haenlui's actions were not. Facepaint CAN be copyrighted too however Haenlui did not break any laws by facepainting the way she did either. Haenlui did not trademark her work as a tattoo BUT did stalk, harass, create fake identities and reviews, spread libel & slander all of which is NOT legal. Neither is stealing other's works and pass it as her own within the same medium.

>>9379876
She didn't stalk or harass anyone. She argued with people who came to her but that's the extent of it. Her fans made some fake reviews and she immediately requested they stop.

Looks like you're the one being slanderous.

>>9379678
I have some of her dresses and I like them but "top tier" is a stretch, anon...

>>9379923
Having seen how blindly her fans have defended her through this whole debacle, I believe they would do this.

>>9379765
this, x100

>>9378953
Source on that Mana thing. That sounds hilarious and I need to know where this was inferred.

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>>9379122
>>9379173
I found about Haenuli's ban and scalps in the archives.

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>>9378173
You are one clueless piece of shit.

My understanding, and I could be wrong, was that Haenuli was kicked out of the Korean lolita comn. for Leif drama. Lief made some upside down dresses and recalled them. Haenuli BEGGED for the dresses. She promised to help fix the dresses and return them only to flip them on EGL Sales. Since dresses weren't returned to brand as promised, Koreans kicked her out.

Again, that's my understanding. I was not following it then, so IDK.

>>9379703
I have worked retail for years now; visual defects such as prints not being correct or colours not matching rarely see light of day. I've only ever had one make it into store - the damage to the print was in an area not easily visible - so it getting to the customer is pretty unheard of. Quality control picks up on visual defects extremely quickly, to the point they don't get out of the factory.

A visual defect of the magnitude of >>9379684? Frankly suggests they have zero quality control, which is not someone you should buy from. This is further backed by >>9379710 saying that this was not isolated.

Lack of quality control is actually dangerous for the user, as it means anything could have been used in the manufacturing - certain (older) dyes are extremely toxic, fabrics could be treated by irritants etc. That's why it's there, as well as to make sure you get your money's worth

>>9380232
This was about the legality of chasing someone for getting a tattoo of her picture. That is not possible in law as it stands, otherwise Disney, Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, Studio Ghibli, etc would be chasing as well. Tattoo artists and people asking for them do not need permission from the original artist to use their work.

Had they claimed her artwork as their own and made money by doing so ie selling prints, dresses with the same designs etc, she could chase them legally. But the money made by tattoo artists is for their service, materials and tools, not for what the design is itself.

>>9380545
To add, this becomes grey is the image is copyrighted by a tattoo artist or company as a tattoo.

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>>9380222
>>9380502
It seems to be true.

This just keeps getting worse and worse lmao

When the skeleton designs very first started getting posted, Haenuli posted a Q&A on her Facebook about it where she explicitly said that tattoos are OK if you asked her first. It seems so bizarre that she went 360 on that after it got popular...

>>9380606
Is it because she has that tattoo artist friend? Maybe she only wanted tattoos of her work done by that person, or they had an agreement? I'm still confused about all the tat stuff.

>>9378514
A lot of indie Lolita shops do this though.

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>>9379684
Couldn't help myself, I followed this when it was happening and I think these fb posts tell the story better than her blog post about this
(https://livlotte.blogspot.nl/2017/01/haenuli-review-part-2-whole-story-quite.html)

>>9380606
It would be good if someone had a screenshot of this.

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>>9379703
>tfw have long torso
>buy haenuli dress because recommended torso length
>newer release
>torso too short
JUST

>>9379742
I mean Elfgutz loses her shit when someone cosplays as her glitter vomit dolls, but it doesn't stop them. I think we are more forgiving on makeup trends because of the fact that they are only temporary.
There have been cases where bigger BJD companies have ripped off designs and got called out on it, such as Soom copying horns from len-yan's artwork and Fairyland stealing a steampunk design.

>>9381695
what happened with the steampunk dude?

>>9381725
the only official resolution I've seen about the artists (there were more than one for multiple dolls-- Celine and Rin) given credit, public apology, and compensation. Supposedly some of the people in charge of doll productions resigned due to the whole mess.
>http://pristine-nightmare.tumblr.com/post/92842451191/excellent-news-dave-crook-has-been-contacted-by
>http://malaryush-dolls.tumblr.com/post/97263026949/forgive-me-if-this-is-old-news-but-i-hadnt-seen

>>9381695

My sympathies for the guy, but that's such an obnoxious way to act.

> why would people pay money for a luxury item!!

I understand Hanueli's displeasure because the tattoo was absolutely terrible. It isn't great having a shoddy rendition of your artwork on someone's body for the rest of their life to the grave.

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When you have 0 imagination so you copy a brand's designs for profit

>>9382049
Pretty jealous she can make her own bags, but honestly if you want to make a seashell bag I don't think there's a whole lot of different ways you could do it
It looks just like a replica which is pretty shady tho

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>>9382049
The scallop shell is so common. At this point most are going to look the same unless you do something different like flip the shell or just do a different shell shape. Seriously. I wish they'd make lolita purses of other shell shapes.

>>9381842
Well to be fair her drawings aren't exactly jewels with amounts of artistic value.

>>9382167
Jealous much?

take it to lolcow

>>9382049
I don't get how she expects to run a trusted business when she wears replicas and makes rip-off bags

>>9382167
It isn't very creative and her technique is nothing to write home about, but her art does look good.
My biggest issue with her art is that everything looks the same. She doesn't ever change up perspectives or the way people look.

>>9381749
I kinda assume his reaction was more about a luxury company stealing his weapon design. If it was just one fan making one in their basement it wouldn't be such a big deal.

>>9381842
I haven't seen the tattoo, do you have a screen cap?>>9381842

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>>9382384
This is all I found

>>9381402
aargh I actually really wanted that dress :/
Did anyone else get the right lace (after complaining) ?

>>9382528
I thought it would be horrible but it's not that bad

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>>9379126
>>9380606
>>9382528
>>9382581
I couldn't find the statement where she said she was okey with a certain tattoo artist, but this is the earliest thing I could find about the skeleton illustrations and the tattoo thing...

>>9381842
Generally, any tattoo artist that is down for straight up copying another artists work won't be worth the effort.

>>9382581
Neither is actively the worst thing ever, but both are pretty awkward and less than stellar. Left one suffers from lineart syndrome, with no interesting line weights or shading or rendering at all, and I really hope it's just a work in progress. Right one is a bit better, if nothing else because it actually has some personality.

>>9382643
Why don't you make like Mark Z. Danielewski and leave our house?

>>9382650
Is this a jojo reference? Who is mark?

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>>9382625

>>9382605
I'm not following what she means here. What does she mean by scammers and nasty tattoo artists?

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I knew her illustrations felt familiar, they look so much like Chiara Bautista's ones.

>>9382664
/lit/ reference

>>9382643
dude when i was going to /lit/ regularly everyone was obsessed over Tao Lin and were going full McCarthy-Crucible on each other accusing one another of being Lin or a shill for him, while dissing his work, methods, and character. don't act like vaginas perpetuate drama when 1) /lit/ has had their share of angry pitchfork-waving, and 2) moot had to ban raids and doxxing across the entire site long, long ago, because the mostly-male userbase wouldn't stop harassing people over petty shit.

>>9382701
Haenuli's? I don't see the similarity at all. If anything Loputyn's style is almost the same as the artist you posted.

That said, agree with >>9382167. The skull art were average at best, they circulated the net because people like this kind of edgy, dark snowflake type of art to show their great taste in alternative looking art.

On the other hand, people who tattoo an image from the internet without even knowing the artist aren't much better either.

>>9382748
>people who tattoo an image from the internet without even knowing the artist aren't much better either.
those people are stupid, period. if you don't know the source you risk being semi-permanently associated with something you abhor, as in the hypothetical case of the housewife who gets a cute "running bear" tattoo without realizing the image is linked to pedophilia.

>>9382528
>this is stealing
lurker soon to be drawfag here. shouldnt it be fine as long as the original is credited and its not something the creator would provide them themselves? nothing changes if its in those cases

>>9382695
I'm not into lolita at all, actually. But I'm an illustrator with a passionate stance against bad and mediocre tattoos. Fact of the matter is that stolen images like these are generally traced by the tattooer, and they look like it. They are not designed to play to the tattooers strengths, nor are they designed to go on the three-dimensional shapes of a human body, or be done using tattooing tools.

I'm niched in semi-realism and oil/mixed media. If someone gave me a set of coloured pencils and told me to replicate a Hergé panel it would look super fucking awkward, but I could do a decent Tintin portrait if I was allowed to work with my style and find a medium that worked for me.

If you hold up an image to someone and tell them to tattoo it to your body, and they get to work without a beat, question, or suggestion on how to make it work, you turn around and walk out. Even all the shit above aside, if they're happy to put their name on a piece they didn't make or even modify, and are willing to take on imitation pieces without approval from the artist, that should tell you all you need to know about their artistic integrity.

So no, it's not technically illegal, and there's clearly a whole other set of shitstorming happening around Haenuli that shouldn't be justified, but tattoo artists who engage in this kinda behaviour are scummy and a sham to the industry. It is also completely valid of her to request people not imprint her art on their fucking body, even if she's not legally in the right. Why the fuck do you people think you're entitled to have someone's art on your body?

>>9383189
As another illustrator, I agree with everything this anon has said. Art that is used for tattoos are specifically designed with being tattooed on someone's body in mind. Using some rando image you found on the internet will have mixed results and it's disrespectful to the artist if you didn't get permission beforehand. If you really loved/respected an artist, you would be commissioning them for a tattoo design instead of getting their art tattooed on you without asking first.

>>9383189
thanks for this perspective, drawfag. i am not a visual artist so it is good to get the detailed opinion of one.

>>9378401
I love Haenuli even more now.
I think she is handling things really well and I doubt she's had any ill intent. She's respectful and willing to go out of her way to fix things.
Instead of messaging her and talking to her about it we made secrets about it, as if she were some big bad untouchable wolf.

some people sell replicas and are %100 aware of it+profit from it. those are the people who get my eternal side-eye instead of my money.

>waiting for that beautiful hunchback print, NuNu

>>9382758
I think the big issue at hand is that Hanoodle made it pretty clear she didn't want people getting tattoos of her art and the people who got the tattoos didn't do any kind of research or bother to trace who actually made the art. I saw those tattoos pop up less than a week after her drawings went viral, honestly I'd be pretty pissed about it too if I were in her shoes.
Legally, tattoos are a really murky area when it comes to copyright claims so it's not like Hanoodle could really do anything. I feel like it's common courtesy to ask the original artist permission before getting their art tattooed on you, since someone else is making money off the artwork and then that artwork is associated with whoever gets the tattoo for the rest of their life [unless they remove the tattoo].

Also very annoying that she throws a tantrum about art theft when she's doing shady business shit regarding art theft/design theft/scalping.

>>9383518
ah i see good point senpai. asking permission shouldve come first

>>9383189
>>9383237
As an illustrator who went to art school and gets paid professionally to draw, I don't care if someone tattoos my work. It's published with my name on it already and people tend to know the source (or it can easily be found). Because of my clients I might be luckier to not care, so I asked the same question on my facebook about tattoos and your own art work. It seems that my friend's list sides with me (about 20 or so who don't care, 1 said it sucks but it doesn't really matter). People will and have called me out on my facebook if they disagree, which I like that they're willing to be honest. From my sample off facebook, it seems that this haenuli person is over reacting and if as stated earlier has been going on over a month, that is weeks too long. A few day tops might be normal, but each day is countless illustrations lost.

>>9382605
I could be wrong but maybe Haenuli's problem is that the tattoo artists will post pics of the finished design and pretend they were the one to come up with it, or start taking comission to tattoo it on other people (thus making money on her designs) ?

As an artist I'd feel pretty happy if someone got something I designed tattoed on and give credit when asked. But if a tattoo artist started posting it on ig or fb without giving credit and attracting other customers who would just think "Oh it's a (tattoo artist)'s tattoo, idk what it means but it's pretty cool", I'd be pretty bummed.

>>9383755
She didn't want any tattoos at all. No matter what. It wasn't a matter of crediting. She said that her art was very personal to her or something like that and didn't want to see it on other people.

>>9383767
No, she said she prefered people not, but it's okay and to just run it by her first. I think she said that she has a tattoo artist friend whom she trusts with her art. So it's more a matter of not wanting her work represented shittily (since it was a matter personal to her) than simply because she didn't want it shared at all.

>>9378953
Based Mana

>>9383726
If you don't care, all the more power to you, but that doesn't change that shit like this is pure toxic to the tattooing industry and tattooing as an art form, or that the artists who do it lack artistic integrity at best.

Like really, it isn't a problem for visual artists who use canvases, papers, digital canvases, etc.; it's a problem for tattoo artists. But with that said I definitely feel like it's our responsibility to take a stance against it for the sake of legitimizing the hard work of our fellow artists. There's also something to be said for keeping copyright law strong; with how images are spread and shared today it is severely watering copyright law down, and there's definitely a case to be made for setting your foot down about the use of your works in a time where everyone feels entitled to using whatever they find on the internet for whatever they want because THEY FOUND IT THEMSELVES GUYS.

Again, Haenuli doesn't seem too consistent in that area, but that doesn't make her in the wrong.

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>>9383775
She said she didn't wanted tattoo's, that's all. No matter if they credited her or not.

>>9378732
I've managed to find a couple of links to it from reverse image searching
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Min-order-is-9-can-mix-style-Punk-vintage-double-layer-pearl-chain-cross-cutout-necklace/32323251664.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.68.akKCdt&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_433_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10056_10055_10054_302_301_10059_10099_10103_10102_10096_10052_10053_10050_10107_10051_10106_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10122_10123_10126_10124,searchweb201603_3,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5_ppcChannel,single_sort_0_default&btsid=f466c378-8f1b-49c3-a8fd-c805309553d8&algo_expid=83632adc-1f0f-4b54-854f-5ca81d5841f0-8&algo_pvid=83632adc-1f0f-4b54-854f-5ca81d5841f0

>>9384138
Yeah she doesn't get to dictate if someone gets her art as a tattoo or not lmfao

>>9384779
Because having a tattoo that the artist doesn't want there totally makes sense.

>>9384783
Considering the artist has no sovereign over a stranger's body, yeah it does.

>>9385000
I'm just pointing out that people with morals would feel uncomfortable with art on their body that was explicitly against the wishes of the artists.

>>9383726
This doesn't make haenuli's stance any less valid. Every artist can decide on what terms they want to share their work. You don't care, but others do. Also, haenuli's stuff is pretty personal depression coping stuff. I'm pretty sure if people continue disrespecting her wishes dhe will simply stop sharing it like so many other artists.

>>9385095
Agreed. Also, a lot of artists get paid commission for their work being used as tattoos, so that's also pretty fucked that people are just taking it and using it for free.
Tattoo places can make deals with artists to have their works in their catalogs, and they get a commission per tattoo done of it. I knew a guy who did that exactly with his works.

>>9382701
>acting like this style is so original

Kek

>>9383485
>She's respectful and willing to go out of her way to fix things.
Yeah because deleting secrets/evidence of her shady business practices is totally respectful and fixes everything, it's not a way for her to cover her ass right.

>>9385297
Don't forget that she was only willing to change the lace on that misrepresented dress for that one person after she posted about it on her blog. If a blogger hadn't threatened her with a bad review she probably wouldn't have done shit about it at all.

>>9385298
Yup, she also shouldn't have just sold it like that without notice. Even if she didn't mean to be malicious, it just means she's dumb and needs better business sense. Doesn't matter if she's an indie business, she has come this far there's no excuse for this kind of shit.

>>9385297
>>9385298
>>9385682
Bitch only cares for money and her ass, that's clear.
She's pretty stupid and immature.

A lot of brands do this kind of thing, there's a slightly-modified eBay lace choker up on Meta's webshop right now:
https://www.metamorphose.gr.jp/product/detail/13728

There's people claiming that some parts of Angel of Music are traced and have "identical line work" to Haenuli's so-called references.
Anyone knows where this comes from?

>>9386038
This is more likely private label manufacturing type stuff, it's common in cosmetics too.

>>9384779
>It is my personal right to use someone else's creations however I like even when it directly opposes their very reasonable requests that I don't
>I am entitled to this piece of art because the artist decided to share it with the world

1) What are you? Twelve?
2) This is exactly why more and more professional artists no longer share their work freely online
3) Your tattoos are likely going to look like shit because you're trying to transfer something across mediums that it evidently never was made for, and the artists willing to tattoo others' work (and especially when they don't care whether the artist approved of it or not) generally have shit integrity and discipline and will never produce work on the level of an artist with actual respect for the craft and with their own style developed for the medium.

>>9378180
lol she's shady as fuck

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>>9378351
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>>9378363
lol, Nunu is getting buttmad when people steal her work yet she does that? What a fake ass bitch. That AND she made Btb remove these secrets? Wew

>>9377671
It's so shitty. I have designed so many tattoos for friends and they pressure me into doing it for free. A film and tv studio got me to do graphic design/SEO for their website, write/edit articles and advertising copy, edit their videos and do their photography for free and a friend starting her own cosmetics line made me spend 6 weeks on a logo (asking for amendments at 3 in the morning) initially saying she'd pay me, then tried to back out, then offered me £20 for it. £20 so you can make £20 on a single one ignore your fucking cuts with much design on it.

Anything at all to do with art or creative media, people want it for fucking free and are really good at manipulating you to make you feel as if you are being totally unreasonable/greedy/entitled rather than them. At least Haenuli gets revenue from her work; I gave up because my below-minimum-wage job pays better.

It does suck to have to relinquish creative control over your work. The people who take it for free may make amendments or parade around a complete misrepresentation of your art in terms of context and quality.

>>9378355
>>9378353
>>9378352
>>9378351

I don't understand why she proverbially throws stones in a glass hypocrit house, ESPECIALLY when she is a talented artist/craftswoman; she does not need to do it.

>>9393527
Maybe because that way she can make more money. Purchasing something already made for dirt chip and then selling it instead of making it herself.

>>9377609
Some tattoo artists might refuse it but that's majorly what people ask for. I've worked in a tattoo shop and 97% of the time it goes "I found this picture on google can you tattoo it on me?", The other 3% of "I want a tattoo but I don't know of what, draw me like 7 design sketches before I decide to chicken out of it in the end anyways" is equally frustrating.

>>9382212
Not that anon but simply being proficient at drawing isn't that impressive. Like any skill, if you spend enough time at it and anyone can draw a person or a hand. That doesn't make art good.

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Oh no someone's stealing haenuli's precious ideas.

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Before Haenuli gets them deleted

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>>9396155
Where else, pray tell, could she put the ribs on a skeleton-themed dress? On the arms?

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>>9386038
And meta does it a lot, for example I bought the ring in the picture sans the meta logo charm around 15 years ago in a normie accessory chain store in Europe. At least this type of meta accessory is usually not very expensive, but it's still sort of disappointing. Not because of muh art theft or anything but if I buy from meta I'd like something that they actually designed...

>>9396155
If we're playing that game then every company who has ever made a strawberry print dress is in hot water. They both have a rig cage but the overall designs are different, not defending hanoodle but this comparison is pretty meh, especially when this is the only other dress that people have been comparing it to

>>9396155
The misaligned ribs drive me fucking bonkers, it would have been SUCH an easy fix, it would've taken maybe a days work to redesign the fabric's pattern so the ribs would line up after the darts were sewn in. I'm so pissed about that, all that shows is how fucking lazy she is, if every other brand can line up their patterns there's no excuse for this to have happened.

>>9396179
Aren't ribs naturally not symmetrical?

>>9396652
symmetrical isn't the issue, they break at the princess seam because of the dart taking out just enough fabric to keep the design from being continuous.

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this is how a mature, talented artist handles permanent unauthorised reproduction of their work on other people's bodies.

>>9396810
I agree. It's going to happen anyway. It sucks, but let's be realistic here. Someone, somewhere is eventually going to want your art on their body. You might as well handle it with grace.

>>9378240
>she buys these charms and crap all from chinese/korean wholesale stores, some she changes up to be more "her work". Then she sales them.

Isn't that what tons of indie accessory brands do? And they don't get shit on for it?

>>9393631
Man I must be that extra 0% that had my own artwork tattooed to me. You left absolutely no room for people who actually get original content to their body.

>>9396784
its not a dart its a completely different pattern piece, its princess seams

>>9396159
Can I get a comparison with the print in question? From my memory, it does seem like she traced it.

>>9396155
I'm kind of torn because Haenuli was the only one even attempting some some good gothic prints last year, like Just One Bite. This was not a good print at all and like a lot of her construction, did not translate well at all into real life, especially on her larger girls.

>>9396826
I agree. I've had people tattoo some of my art without asking which I found only at tags awhile later, I just asked if they would mind tagging my website on their post. Funny thing is that they didn't know it was mine to begin with, they had just found it online.

For the future I just have it posted that I don't mind if people tattoo stuff, but I prefer them asking because some works were commissions or really personal. Everyone that asked has been really polite and all I ask for is a photo and to be tagged.

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>>9397397 anon here>>9397409
Beat me to it but I made one overlapping the images for you

>>9397421
While making this image though I noticed that she shifted their positioning. But isolating each person i overlapped them in different layers and they fit. It's a direct trace.

Doesn't change the fact that I want this print still though.

>>9397404
I agree. The amount of boobage of the skeleton dress when it's worn without a blouse on a larger girl is tragic since that V notch directs you right to the cleavage.

>>9397409
>>9397421
>>9397423

>hand position of the phantom is different. Arm is also rotated in a different position
>Outfits are different, dress and lace particularly
>tilt of head is different (it's obvious if you look at the lip position)
>body position of phantom is slightly shifted so you see more of his shirt.
>The hair is obviously different.

Do you guys know what a trace is? She heavily referenced the photo, and perhaps too heavily, but a tracing is when you literally trace over the image. The silhouette and lines would be the same.

You can see in your overlap that the bodies don't line up. The only thing that lines up is the Phantom's head.

>>9399085
Hello nunu

>>9399152
Yes, because I'm sure Nunu has all the insider deets on Newcon.

>>9379117
Wrong. Fashion design anon here, the only times we care about who is wearing our designs are:
> if they are high profile and we can get free marketing.
> if they didnt pay for it.
>if we have to hire a pattern maker to create additional sizes or cuts.
>if people who need uncommon sizings wont pay an additional fee for the service or extra material cost.

Otherwise we dont really care. There is this misconception that designers only want fit/ thin people in the clothes because it makes the garments look good; this is just for shows, shoots and press. In reality larger or extremely small people in our clothes doesnt matter as ready to wear is made to be worn by average people. Also having a diversity of sized people on the street in the lable is a great advertiser, as viewers will learn that the brand will cater to them. As long as people want to support the brand, it doesnt matter what they look like. The products need to be visible and interactions like:
>"excuse me, i just wanted to say, i really like your shirt!"
>"oh! thanks very much!"
>"If you dont mind me asking, were did you get it?"
>"from Xbrand, its fairly new"

Is very, very valuable

>>9399154
ops forgot to clear my shitty joke name my b.

>>9379742
Not to support the shit fit she is throwing but i thought i would throw in some insight. This is indeed unlawful reproduction of art and if the tatooist recieved money for tatooing it, it is against the law. This is how tatooing and art works (at least in australia):
Tatooists have to purchase every motif or the right to replicate a motif or artwork from the origional creator, unless the motif is creative commons (like some of the generic tatoos can be) or they are in breach of copyright if they accept money to replicate it. If a tatooist creates an origional work within their workplace and intends to make money off it through the parlour they will have to enter an agreement with the owner / business wich may include forfeiting the rights of ownership. In regards to independant artists, they will come to the workplace and sell their works, depending on the place they may get a 'per unit' commision or they will buy the design with a single sum, this may also include an exclusivity agreement. There is always an agreement or contract. You cannot simply replicate someone elses work and get paid for it, this is unlawfull. If you want to go further it is actually illegal to replicate any artwork or charicter that has copyright attatched money or no money if no agreement has been made with the OC. If you are interested in this and want to read more about it in a way that is relevant to cgl, there are heaps of articles about the legality of fan art + artist alley.

TL:DR yes it is illegal, yes she is acting very innapropriately.

>>9399085
It's okay nunu. We all know you traced it and made some changes to argue you didn't. But you don't need to push so hard that you didn't. It's very unbecoming of you. And you call yourself a diginified and respectable business. But all I see is a child throwing a tantrum because she got caught for lying.

>>9400724
See
>>9399154

>>9399085
These are minor details that aren't hard to tweak after the fact. You can trace something and still edit your work slightly (most people do this just so they don't get caught for it). I don't even know the artist but it's obvious that this image is traced

>>9399152
Your engrish is showing, nunu!

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>>9397407
So what? This is just your opinion and doesn't mean it's the more 'mature' one. Just because things are bound to happen, doesn't mena you shouldn't oppose them.

There are shitty chinese people who steal art and print them on mugs and shirts. Should I, as the original artist, stop reporting them because "it will happen anyway!!"?
No, I won't. I've said it before, it's very simple: if people disrespect the artists wishes they will stop posting their art at some point.

>>9396810
Uh no, this is just an opinion. Some artists don't care if people use their art for tattoos. Others do care. It's up to the artist to say whether or not they allow their work to be used. I find it shitty when people take an artist's work and get it tattooed without asking first. Most artist that I've met don't care but they always tell people to let them know about it. I'd be annoyed if someone went and got something I made tattooed on them without even bothering to ask.

If you want a tattoo of someone's work that bad, ask them to commission you a piece.

>>9396155
Dark box did it better.

>>9396155
Black milk did ribs better (just my opinion). Nunu's rib cage looks very odd and there's no enough ribs while DB is also anatomically also wrong, it looks quite pleasant.

>>9397409
It's called using reference. Look it up. Many things are different and Haenulis is more stylized. Why did some people get a random hate boner for her recently?

>>9401133
Because referencing something will make it look exactly like the original. Style or not, the similarities are far too close for it just to be a reference

>>9401141
It looks different though. I swear, some people see the same pose and scream that it's a copy.

"Omg stealing is so bad," cries the person with hard drives full of illegally downloaded anime, movies, and games.

"Omg copying art is so bad," cries the person that has a stall at an anime con selling fanart of copyrighted anime characters.

>>9377609

idk man, I'd be pretty flattered if someone got one of my drawings permanently etched on their body. Maybe I'd be peeved if I had custom-made the design for someone else, but if I do art and post the design openly on the internet, it's stupid to get that mad over it. The person in question isn't claiming to have made it or profiting from having it on their body.

>>9401141
You are clearly not an artist lol. Literally every single good artist uses reference. Whether it's for fabrics, backgrounds or poses. She is not tracing, the frame is especially her own, the cropping, the colors, the overall design, lines, the female face, her hair. It's all Haenuli's drawing and design. She referenced the photo for pose but also changed it a bit. You clearly know nothing about the process. You will be surprised just how much reference your favorite artists and especially animators use.

>>9396165
Oh hell I used to have one of those rings from Claire's. That's definitely the same mold + the meta logo added.

>>9401185
>tfw I am an artist and use references all the time
Nobody is saying 'references are bad!!11111!'. I'm saying that using the excuse of 'it's just heavily referenced!' is a cop out. I've referenced plenty of images and you can still tell it's my work. Again, I don't even know who Hauenuli is but anybody looking at these two pieces side by side would be able to tell that it's almost an exact copy. You're not going to get exact lines from referencing a photo.

Yeah, I get a bit salty about this topic because I had someone trace over my work and try to call it referencing so the lines have definitely been getting blurred

>>9401243
There is a difference between referencing actual people, and making up details and ornament, and straight up tracing over someone's art. I get that you're salty someone stole your shit, but these are two separate things.

>>9396165
I understand it's often impossible for brands to manufacture their own jewelry which probably ends up costing much but it's disappointing to me too if they just resell stuff with minimum effort. Doesn't make what Haenuli did right though, it's just as shady but she even claimed she made the pin.

>>9401160
Fanart falls under fair use though as it's a transformative work.

>>9393466
You sound like an idiot, why did you do any of that for free you fucking doormat lol

>>9401120
Are you trolling? Sure bringing Black Milk up in an art theft thread is appropriate, but not in the way you think it is.
[spoiler] They art thieves meng [/spoiler]

>>9400891
Sure nunu. What ever you say nunu.

>>9401160
Who are you talking about, there?

>>9402801
You know you're not helping your own argument by replying to every comment like this? You just sound retarded.

>inb4 HURR DURR HI NUNU

>>9378487
In the US it is copyright infringement to tattoo another artist's work. The artist I go to requires consent if he's going to be doing anything that isn't completely original, which is how it should be. The more shady shops will go willy nilly and replicate the art with no thought. And more than one artist can have copyright to pieces.

And srs, it takes nothing to send and email and wait patiently for permission. If you don't get it, ask your artist to make you something inspired by the piece or art style. Good tattoo artists will give you something with the essence that you want that will also not get themselves sued and respecting another artist's work.

>>9379570
Did she make money or use it to sell or promote anything? If not, she's not infringing copyright. That's like painting Mulan and hanging it in your house vs selling it or using it on a poster for an event.

I can't wait til this piece of shit thread maxes out and gets buried.

>sage for fucking salt

>>9403098
Hi nunu

>>9407728
y necro?

>>9407730
It's nunu trying to keep it on the board. It's getting her site and all her shit traffic/exposure.

>>9407746
What if the anon who keeps replying "hi nunu" IS nunu

>>9407746
>>9407865
Fuck, it makes sense, bad publicity is still publicity. What if she started this thread in first place.That bitch.

>>9408404
And this is why it hurts your friends when you try to whiteknight them on cgl. Take note, newfags.

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If we are gonna talk about art/idea theft, lets really talk about art/idea theft.

>>9408404
Hi nunu

>>9408481
but those are actual decent changes to make them far enough from the original. No they're no where near as nice in quality or detail, but the cross one is a lot less busy, like AP's covers the images so much with the sheer fabric that you loose a lot of the detail. The rip off has a nice color scheme to it as well, and it's are clearly rows of crosses and then a row of bears. AP's is a repeating pattern.
The shell one is also nice in a simple way. Not a lolita way, more of a "I could wear this as a normie dress" way. Also it looks more big boob friendly than huge ass tiddy bow. The colors on it also look slightly nicer than AP's. The pearls and stars pop more on the fake as well.

I know AP's quality is way better and printed nicer, but I actually like these knock offs more because they're simpler and probably less than $100 each.

>>9408520
I disagree. Yeah she didn't flat out steal the exact art and cuts of the dresses, but look at she shells and the way they are colored, varying in pink/blues. Tey are almost carbon copies, and no one really had stuff with thoose types of shells before.


Also the idea of having cats in frames, paired next to crosses, in an all over print. That's pretty damn original. Those colorways are also the same.

AP's is clearly superior with the art and the materials. These are definitely copied designs and ideas, not just inspired.

>>9408481
>>9408520
Also the fact that RPA is the same price as AP is ridiculous.

Idk about what the price of the new brand's dress but it better be like $100 or less for being a lesser copycat version.