What is cosplay anymore? All I see is cam girls trying to make

I feel like in general, people are a lot less friendly at cons and less willing to hang out with people that they don't know. Which is a shame, because it used to be a great way to make new friends.

>>9370531

They aren't the ones you hear about. In a lot of trash fandoms, sports anime etc, people are still definitely in it for the fandom. But nobody's chitchating about decent but uninteresting animu character #5 character when there's sexyfemmearmoredvikinggenderbendboobwarcraftdragon.

If it isn't the cosplay moral authority speaking on behalf of the innocent cosplayers.
If you don't like it, choose not to associate with it, it's that simple.

Cosplay as whatever you want, but understand sex appeal obviously gets a level of attention that normal shoestring cosplay won't attract. Sex sells, gets used to it.

>Are cosplayers disassociating themselves because it's no longer niche?
no, normal cosplayers still cosplay, they just don't get the 6 figure follow counts the boudoir models will get and most don't care.

>>9370531
desu I cosplay because I like the characters and to chill with friends that also enjoy the hobby. I couldn't care less about anything else. If someone wants to dress sexy or do it for money then that's them and, if it makes them happy, I don't care.

This whole separation between 'good cosplayers' and 'attention-seekers' is honestly stupid. Do you really think anybody else gives a shit? We're all dressing up in costumes.

>>9370531
>What is cosplay anymore?
Costume play and whatever you make of it. I honestly do my best to not pay any mind to the community given that it's a vocal minority within another minority.

>>9370531
honestly the moeblob/idol cosplay scene still feels innocent and has a lot of cosplayers that are dedicated to making good costumes. everyone seems really pure, no sexual shenanigans, love the characters and the fandoms etc.

the further niche you go, the better it gets i think.

>>9370531
Can't say the same for other countries, but the majority of cosplayers I've met here do it for fun and friendship, not profit, and there are tonnes of them.

Is it possible you're just taking more notice of these particular people and not paying attention to the more general crowd at local cons?

>>9370531
Just get with the times and do a boudoir shoot, you know you want to.

>>9370531
It depends on your experience with cosplay. If your experience of cosplay is looking at people posting/sharing on social media, it will be limited to the stuff you talked about. Most cosplayers don't post everything they do on the internet and aren't trying to be cosfamous.

If you're trying to get cell phone pictures of/with cute cosplay girls at cons with a cell phone, expect them to be a bit more guarded than in the past. This is purely do to experience. Cosplay and cons have grown in popularity and there are now more creepers at cons than there used to be. I think this may also be due to the rise of the internet boob models pretending to be cosplayers.

If you cosplay yourself and become part of community, it's a game changer. I've found that people are more willing to discuss prop construction and wig styling techniques with other cosplayers than they are to talk about their favorite series with a normie. Last, if you didn't put any effort into your cosplay and seem like you're either cosplaying as a joke or are just cosplaying to meet cosplay girls, expect to be treated worse than a normie.

>>9370531
Don't be so dramatic, most people I encounter at cons are still in it for the love and not for attention

I don't think of girls who put in a wig and lingerie as cosplaying even if they say it is. They know it isn't either and usually they do the real version side by side. Also why did you need another post about this just goto the patreon board.

>>9370558
found the patreon sucking cosslut

>>9370960
Try again, I'm a cosplay photographer

But I get it, you're probably salty that no one wants to photograph you so you rage on those that get the attention. Cosplay for fun, no one gives a shit, literally, no one will give a shit. Just be the other thousands of cosplayers that attend conventions for fun, everyone that cosplays does it for a reason. If your purpose is cosfame, you'll never get anywhere by being a dick about your superiors. Someone will always be better than you, get used to it.

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>>9370988
>I'm a cosplay photographer
get a real job you perverted pinhead!

>>9370552
People still are friendly, but you have to ignore the cosfamous and hit the small cons, not the mega cons like SDCC, NYCC, Wizard World and such. You can also hit the social, drunk cons, like Katsucon, Otakon, and Dragon Con, where people are more chill and open to hanging out.

>>9371163
>>9370552
I've never honestly had the issue of people not wanting to hang out be it a big or smaller con. Maybe it's the way they're being approached.

>>9370531
>>9370738 has the right idea; I've been cosplaying actively for about a decade and although there are certainly people that cosplay because they want attention (it happens even in the tumblrina crowd, which is arguably worse because they hop fandom obsessions to whatever's popular too). But, then there are those who don't cosplay a character unless they love it (like me). It's also far easier to interact with other cosplayers, as it's a talking point. Someone who's cosplaying your fave anime is less likely to be a random creep than someone in street attire. Be the change you wish to see in the community, friendo

>>9371173
Offering a hit of a hip flask filled with the good stuff ususally works. Sadly I only ever see that at party cons at hotels.

>>9370531
Sounds like you have no cosplay friends and therefore only are able to base opinions on cosplayers that promote in the public.

>>9370988
>Try again, I'm a cosplay photographer

oh so you just jerk yourself off to those coswhores
funny how you think that makes you any better.

>>9370988
Lmao and you think skimpy cosplay sluts are 'superior' cosplayers? No one cares about those softcore porn models with tit jobs who buy crappy $10 'cosplays', you creep. Keep your shitty pervertedness away from real cosplayers, we'll gladly keep out of your way as well so you can bang those 'cosplay' sluts and take pictures for fap material

>>9371200
Honestly not sure if you're joking or not. Anyway, most people dont take candy from strangers. Same logic.

I would be less salty about Patreon tits if they didn't call it cosplay. Maybe we can start a trend of differentiating them:

>cosplay = recreating a canon character in a canon design
>fanplay = recreating a canon character in a noncanon design

Kudos to whomever does that shit, not everyone's got the balls to do it, it just puts a damper on things for cosplayers who actually put effort into their cosplays because the minimal effort apparently yields maximum output and your work will always be seen as lesser because it's not blatant fap fodder.

>>9370988
I agree with you anon, so many bitter fatty chans in this thread

>>9371228
Lol no dude you sound like you've literally never been to any kind of party.
If someone offers you a flask, you take it (assuming you drink, obviously if you don't it's different), just like if someone offers you a hit of a joint, you take it.
lol fucking sperge

>>9371241
I would not take a flask or a joint from someone I didn't know.

>>9371236
yeah flashing a titty to attract some neckbeard orbiters takes so much balls

>>9371253
>implying any kind of sex work is easy

Wouldn't do it myself cause it'd just repulse people, but kudos to the people who can make some coin off it.

>>9371260
i used to (not cosplay)

its very easy, and the laziest form of labour.

the fact that it is now denigrating cosplay makes me sick.

>>9371265
Real sex work is demanding and emotionally taxing. Taking lewd/nude photos and posting them online isn't sex work

>>9371227
>No one cares about those softcore porn models with tit jobs who buy crappy $10 'cosplays', you creep
then stop paying so much attention to them

>>9371283
unfortunately for you, camwhoring falls under "sexwork" now a days

prostitution and stripping is very difficult emotional and physical labour. sitting on your ass at home, no matter how much people deflect, is not.

>>9371241
Pretty much >>9371243
This is how date rape happens and it's not a guarantee the person it's being offered to is over 21. I'll gladly drink with a friend, but not some piss drunk stranger who slipped god knows what into the mix. I have been to plenty of parties be it at cons or with friends. But I'd rather not be that chick getting wheeled off in an ambulance.

>>9371224
>>9371227
I choose not to associate with boudoir sets, I just don't give a shit that they exist. In social media outreach your page may have about 300 follows while they are breaking a half million. Yes, in terms of talent with their cosplay builds, confidence to do those boudoir shoots, and general all around personality with having to tolerate the hate from shits like you. Yes, I think they are a shit load better than you. Resentment is such a pathetic trait to have, improve yourself or get out of the hobby. It isn't hard, if you want to cosplay as whatever the fuck you want, JUST DO IT. The people with a half million or more followers will never notice you, so just ignore them.

>>9371003
I have a real job anon, cosplay photographer is a description of a hobby, not a job title you stupid shit. As in, I photograph people wearing cosplay and share pictures with them.

>>9371334

I didn't care what other people do with their costumes until I got asked by my normie as fuck brother in law asked about my "fetish porn". Fucking embarrassing to explain no, coswhores are a tiny portion of the community and aren't even cosplaying.

>>9371347
Are you telling me at any point in history people walking around in costumes hasn't been associated with sluts or deviants? That's such a load of shit, this ideology has existed LONG before cosplay was a mainstream thing.

How does your Brother in law know you cosplay? Through pics or word of mouth? Either he's an idiot or your sister is a bitch. Conservative morons that think anything that strays from normal behavior is "deviant", it's up to you to explain to them on a person to person basis if it triggers you so horribly. Like... try sharing pictures of you in cosplay that is obviously not slutty?

>>9370988
God, you're one of those betas that thinks you're hot shit because you photograph D grade cosplay girls?

>>9371360
>>9371334
imagine being this autistic

>>9371363
How do you have such reach with that statement? You're an idiot, kek. Is it supposed to be hard to approach someone and offer a shoot?

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>>9371334
>>9371360
I'm pretty sure you're just one person shitposting in any thread where you can inject that you're a cosplay photographer. I'm not even sure you actually are. I think your some person with a vendetta against photographers so you try to make them look bad here by pretending to be one.

The current ideal that cosplay is a fetish is caused by people sharing objectively bad cosplay of passably attractive girls on social media. Photographers who are trying to become famous and using a sex sells mentality also adds to this false idea. For those of us who do it for the love of the hobby, it should not be our responsibility to change the false perception that people like you create.

Just so were clear, when I cosplay, I do want attention. I want attention from other people who like the same series I like and other cosplayers. I want compliments about how good my costume looks and how well it's contructed. I DO NOT want attention from overweight neckbeards who think cosplayers are an easy lay. I don't know of a single cosplayer in my local community that DOES want that kind of attention!

>>9370988
Lol, well I admit I was wrong, but I was not far off the mark.

So you are either bentdick5 or Euphoria.

>>9371241
You sound like you only just turned 18.

>>9370531
>giving a shit about any of this

>>9371241
Yea, you're not cool for saying stuff like this. Anyone who actually frequents parties, especially at cons, knows not to accept shit from a complete stranger.

>>9371501
Not being opposed to something doesn't imply being in favor of it. I don't have a vendetta against anyone, that's where the problem is coming in from. The fact that I'm not opposed to the "coswhores" with patreon links that choose to do boudoir shoots somehow implies I'm a neckbeard fat fuck. I choose not to associate with boudoir shoots because it's inconsistent with the nature of what I normally photograph, I wouldn't know what to do with those pictures.

Why should you care what other people like? You sound like a cosplay puritan raging against those making money off a hobby.

>I don't know of a single cosplayer in my local community that DOES want that kind of attention!
You're acting as if the cosfamous and boudoir set type cosplay isn't a minority. I'll admit it's getting a little excessive, but to each their own.

>>9371594
>Not being opposed to something doesn't imply being in favor of it.
Fap to whatever you want, that's not the point.
>The fact that I'm not opposed to the "coswhores" with patreon links that choose to do boudoir shoots somehow implies I'm a neckbeard fat fuck.
Maybe not you, but who do you think the target audience for this smut is?
>Why should you care what other people like?
Because of how these people are treating cosplayers at conventions.
>You sound like a cosplay puritan raging against those making money off a hobby.
Hobby is the main thing here. They aren't making money off of my hobby, they're making money by showing off their bodies. They're taking my hobby and turning it into a fetish.
>You're acting as if the cosfamous and boudoir set type cosplay isn't a minority.
It is a very small minority and I'm aware of that. This small minority is getting so much exposure on social media it creates unrealistic standards and inappropriate perceptions for the hobby of cosplay.

>>9371735
You guys aren't helping by constantly complaining about it. Ignore them, it's that simple. Cons themselves have still been fun for me because I don't go around bitching about this crap

>>9371735
There are those that genuinely care about cosplay for what it is and make money off cosplay tutorials, cosplay manufacturing, prop building commissions, armor builds, wig commissions, so on... Several cosplayers I associate with use twitch streams to showcase themselves making props, editing videos, or even just having bullshit thought blogs. There is nothing wrong with making money off something you enjoy.

>They're taking my hobby and turning it into a fetish.
Sorry, but you don't get to claim ownership to cosplay.

>Because of how these people are treating cosplayers at conventions.
Yeah, I get that too, I'm all but one person and people claim I'm not "inclusive enough" with who I photograph, I tell them to fuck off. I don't make a dime off my hobby and I'm not running a charity. I photograph whoever I want, and roughly half of the people I choose to photograph are my friends, they helped me learn my skill and they tend not to be dicks about what other people do with their free time. The other half are just people that appear to be approachable, the types that would be open for a random shoot, most cosplayers (the normal types) tend to stay in their own collective world of friends, that's fine, I don't want to separate people from their groups.

>Maybe not you, but who do you think the target audience for this smut is?
Why do you care about the whims of those that want smut when your objective is showcase quality cosplay to those that appreciate cosplay for what it is?

>Fap to whatever you want, that's not the point.
That's an adorable throw-in insult desu

>>9371524
It's probably Soul-Drive.

>>9371742
I normally don't complain about it. If things were really that bad I'd just stop going to conventions. But this is a thread that's about perception of cosplay vs reality so I'm taking the opportunity to vent a little.

>>9371791
If you can understand that I have a problem with the way some people treat cosplayers, I hope you can understand the cause and effect of what's popular on social media. Cosplayers getting harassed seems to ebb and flow over the years that I've cosplayed and it currently is in a flow from my perspective. Maybe I was a bit harsh towards neckbeards but some of the worst offenders of not treating cosplayers with respect has been obese neckbeards. Personal experience and bias. I don't want to care about what others post online but unfortunately it does have an impact on me, my hobby and the cosplay community. Even if it's only 1/1000 people it still means I'm running into multiple people per day at cons with this mindset.

So here's why it should matter to you guys. If you like seeing sexy cosplayers, the safer women feel doing it, the more of them you'll see. I have friends that were afraid to start cosplaying in the first place due to hearing horror stories from their friends. I know someone who had an amazing costume she wore at Halloween but said she would never wear it to a convention because she gets harassed enough being fully clothed.

>>9371939
>So here's why it should matter to you guys. If you like seeing sexy cosplayers, the safer women feel doing it, the more of them you'll see. I have friends that were afraid to start cosplaying in the first place due to hearing horror stories from their friends. I know someone who had an amazing costume she wore at Halloween but said she would never wear it to a convention because she gets harassed enough being fully clothed
desu I get harassed far more in every day life than in cosplay. That's not to say that it doesn't happen but I still feel like the instances are few and far between. Half the shit that happens online doesn't carry over IRL. The most I've had at cons is awkward neckbeards and they're more cringy than outright violent. I honestly think the overall mindset of most people at cons is evident in this thread. Everyone's there to have a good time and most people tend to lookout for each other. I've read plenty of horror stories myself but the worst will always be what gets spread around the most.

people playing in costumes. dont look into it, it isnt as serious and deep as you think.

>>9371228
At a party con, other people in cosplay are no longer strangers. They're newfriends with booze and poki and maybe more.

do you guys agree that cosplay quality has dropped?i met a few girls online back in highschool days that were never into cosplay or any of that geeky scene of like anime or comics etc.. and suddenly this past few years that cons have been blowing up and some cosplayers turning popular you have this exact same females traveling from con to con doing photo shoots and having patreon websites to be half nude with half a freaking cosplay outfit, what happen to making a cool ass cosplay outfits. All you have now a days is nude girls running around at cosplays pretending they know what the fk they are cosplaying when they really dont.

This thread is all salty girls who wish they could do a patreon or girls who actually hate other women. There's no way men are on this board because lets face it they are the target audience that keeps allowing hot girls to pander. It isn't just neck beards.

>>9372316
Quality of cosplayers has dropped. Quality of cosplay has MASSIVELY increased, and if you were around in the mid-2000s, you'd know this.

>>9372316
I have to highly agree with >>9372345
Quality costumes being available from Chinese commissioners and affordable wigs from outlets like Arda is all fairly recent. Because of the availability, the quality of your average cosplayer has risen drastically. That makes half-hearted attempts stand out that much more. What would be seen as a poor quality cosplay would have been seen as a decent cosplay in the mid 2000s.

>>9371591
Think a big difference is between being a lad or not. As a bloke I have far less risk of getting date raped, esp. when you're ugly. And this here guy is on 4Chan, you can bet het is.

>>9372340
Guy here, I dislike boudoir stuff, or rather, I'm luke-warm to it. Why care so much about tits being on display? It's not like you're getting a shag out of it, or that you have any bigger chance to get it on with them than with anybody else.

Just don't act like a twat and be nice, rather than trying to 'fix' and you got a chance with any and all people. Cosplayers, boudoir, or not.

>>9372361
I like you you speak with common fucking sense. Bless you dude. And even tho you aren't into it you aren't a hater. Bless

>>9372352
Agreed. Tbh I don't even think girls who do lewd stuff say it's cosplay they know it's boudoir and call it as such. Usually too they do the real version which js why I don't get pissy. Stella chu might pander but bitch can sew and create good shit. I can't hate on her. Ppl I don't much like are ones who only do sexy versions of everything or gijinka and never actually do a real character and even then sometimes their work is still better than shit I can do.

If you were around in the early days you know lewd shit was always around just ot as socially sewn and now that it is ppl are bitching but it's always been here. Idk if ppl remember a girl named Kirby but she did noods back in 2000`s as bleach characters. Like it's been here guys ppl are just getting money off it now. Good for them I'd do it to and not be broke ass bitch all the time if I had the followers.

>>9372367
the good old days of joining OB and trying to make friends so you could get their n00dz

>>9372340
>There's no way men are here
This is completely wrong, though.
More men are interested in cosplay in general than ever, whether it's because they want to wear costumes or whether it's because they just want to score cosplay girls or jerk off to their pictures.

>>9372383
And don't forget; the LARP thread is 90% men circlejerking over armour. They're technically part of CGL too.

>>9371501
>I hate pretty girls and ugly guys!

/cgl/ in a nutshell right here.

>>9372389
Woah woah woah
Its circle jerking about armor while constantly asking a clown if they are jerking it right

>>9372511
Or even worse, asking the gypsy seer....

I see plenty of people just dressing up for fun at cons. The online cosplay scene and what happens on the con floor are practically unrelated at this point.

>>9371375
I just said the opposite, you dumbass. They won't sleep with you and they're quite a catch to you, so you have to hide behind your lens and pray they'll notice you.

>>9372820
I feel the same way. People always act differently online than in person

>>9372864
Honestly, the only time I really see light shed on "sexy" shoots is if Cosplay Deviants or one of those other softcore nerd porn distributors has a booth or if there's the bundle of flavor of the month attention whores. And even still, it doesn't cover the con in a blanket.

The "worst" I've experienced was Colossalcon to which I dont really see an issue with since it's a party con at a waterpark.

This thread got me thinking. We need a term to differentiate cosplay from this internet phenomenon. And I think I've got the term.

Cosstrippers!

If you get money for taking off your costume, you're a cosstripper! If you do sexy versions of non-sexualized characters, you're a cosstripper! This still leaves room for doing canonically sexy cosplay all day long without being a cosstripper. Cosstrippers can still do regular cosplay, but the differentiation will be what the are known for, cosplay or cosstripping. What do you think?

>>9374673
I like the term cosbudouir vs stripper because they all don't get naked like a stripper. It's suggestive like boudoir.

>>9374691
Not all states allow stippers to go full nude here in the US. Budoir wouldn't cover everyone who oversexualizes or fetishizes cosplay. I'd like a single term that could include all of it that would just really push the point that what they are doing isn't considered cosplay. IMHO I'd also like the term to be somewhat derogatory.

>>9374715
Nah stripping is hard work, these girls are being lazy as fuck, it needs to be a term that implies how lazy they are as well as slutty. I'd suggest something mixing camwhore into the name but I can't think of a clever way to do that.

>>9374816
I think were on the right track here at least. Camwhoring implies live shows. Adding something like whore or slut after cos would just end up creating the same negative image and not enough separation from cosplay. We need something that says they're desperate for attention and money but not pretty enough for normal modeling/porn. Going to have to think more on this one.

>>9374673
>Cosstrippers!
I would define it just by simply reffering to Nigris reinhardt costume, where you make the outfit illogical in the means of character and purouse (fullplate armor and you expose your naked belly for what exactly...?).

>>9370531
From the thumbnail I thought this was a girl dressed in "cosplay lolita" and almost got triggered
Anyways fuck libfems who call cosplay "empowering" or any other liberal funfem bullshit like that

I want to "cosplay" as one of these chicks
>shitty cardboard boob armor
>lingerie (garter belt, lace thigh highs)
>stripper heels
>ears indicating I'm some sort of random Pokémon
>hold donation box that says "Patreon"
>scream about how "it's not softcore porn, it's ~boudoir~"
>And "they're not nudes, it's ~gravure~"
I mean I've got the body for it. I wonder if people would get it.

>>9374673

Doesn't sound strong enough. you have to make it hit like Wapanese to Weeaboo. How about "Coswhore"? A cosplayer who specifically pick characters with little to no reason and is just for attention.

>>9370579
These Patreon girls are the reason my family thinks my hobby is a form of sex work so yes, I do fucking care.

>>9374975
Afraid that you'll have to do a patreon yourself because your parents will stop giving you moneis for this?

>>9374960
This is just cringy, don't embarrass yourself

>>9372340
I used to be a cam model and made around $10k a month. I always kept camming and cosplay separate because I actually take cosplay seriously and don't turn it into a fetish where I need to the attention of desperate neckbeards to get by.

I could easily abuse cosplay the same way to make a quick buck, but why would I do that to a hobby I love?