Old school lolita

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Continueing the red x white dumb from the last thread.

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>>9268857
That's all I have.

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>>9268878
I have the dress on the left but I'm hesitant to wear it to a meet-up because it's ETC and my comm is very adamant about putting ETC in the otome kei box. Thoughts?

I saw that jackets were a big thing in old school.

I recently bought a very nice one in a thrift store, so I need some pictures to figure out how to coordinate it.

>>9268906
If someone says something they are a total bitch either wanting to stir up shit with you or total idiot who can't really tell a difference between no-lolita and lolita and therefor only relies on some stupid generalisions. Go for it anon.

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>>9269014
The last one. I figured out coats would be fine to add as it's kinda coat season now. Sorry about the possible cardigans or blouses, they were kinda hard to spot.

So my SO and I were talking about early lolita and ended up looking at the Japanese wikipedia entry for lolita fashion. Neither of us read Japanese well so we made do with Google translate but it seems that the Japanese entry claims that there's more connection to the Nabokov book than the English entry, even going so far as to provide a synopsis of the plot. It also appeared to be much more thorough. Are there any Japanese reading anons out there who can confirm this? And as another question, do we have any wiki anons who might care to expand our article on the English entry?

Anyone up for an Imgur album of nothing but Mam Maxicimam circa 2002-2003?

>>9269107
Yes!

>>9269064
Why would we need information on the book on our wiki? I thought it was common knowledge that Japanese normies named the fashion lolita because of the book/film but that doesn't mean that the fashion itself is related to it.

>>9269178
Sorry, I wasn't being very specific. I meant that our article could use some expansion in general because the Japanese entry is much more thorough.

Separately, whomever wrote the Japanese entry made it seem like lolitas have an interest in appearing like sexually precious young girls and wanted to know if I was reading it correctly.

>>9268906
But most new school lolita looks more like otome anyway. Innocent world does a lot of all-print-no-trim dresses and skirts.

>>9268856
This is absolutely glorious

>>9269189
I don't know Japanese either but I wouldn't take that very seriously. It was probably not written by a Japanese lolita, because they also don't want to be seen like that, and wished to change the name of the fashion, just like us. Some of them insist on using a different spelling for lolita to make it look different from lolita complex and the book character.

>>9269138
http://imgur.com/a/d31lB

There's a tiny bit of Ma mixed it, but not that much.

http://imgur.com/a/YzGcg

Here's my last album. I update it once every week or two, so about ~200 photos have been added since I posted it in the last thread.

>>9269207
The English aeticle has also been through some serious trolling about the book lately. I wonder if there is one in my language.

>>9269300
Thank you a lot anon!

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>>9269300
I spotted this from the gallery. I have the necklace version but the pic was too blurry. However, the necklace is from ETC, the poodle has a rhinestone in it's mouth and the tag is a crown that says "cute". I didn't there were commercially available jewerly brands used. I wonder if the necklace is really that old.

Any recent purchases anyone? I spotted someone selling a pile of brand for 50€ and it was seriously so good deal. All Baby, ivory Eleonor jsk (older release with cotton lace), unknown floral op and two skirts. The Eleonor jsk is sp gorgerous and I love the floral op too but the sleeves don't fit. I started to work in the stable in the end of the summer and I have been there every day over a month now and my arms have grown a lot. I wonder if it's worth altering. I hope my other unelastic sleeved ops still fit me... I got an ivory velveteen jsk by Baby also, can't wait to wear it.

Were mini hats a thing back then?

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>>9270118
Yes, and they looked just as silly. I hate mini hats though so maybe it's a matter of personal taste.

>>9268875
i need all the info you have about this pic anon, this may be a new dream dress

>>9270118
Even more so, I think.

>>9270163
That looks like it's a pattern included in that issue rather than a brand release. Can you sew?

>>9270163
It is from gosu rori, I think it was vol.11, you basically have to make it yourself. So if you're up for it, have a go.

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>>9270184
i am devastated

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>>9270128
I think mini hats can be cute if the hair balances it out and it's a certainly shaped one. Most of them look just silly tho.

>>9269064
>>9269189
Weird that this just came up, I was reading the Wikipedia article in translation a few days ago too.

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>Novala doll
>WARNING: Small parts.

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I own a gorgeos IW skirt and I managed to find the name through pinterest, but the rest of the info on this skirt seemed to have dissappeared with hello lace. Any of you gulls know more about pic related, torchon quadrupled tiered skirt by IW, mostly interested in the release date.

Dumb question: are there good examples of old school coords in dark blue/navy? Not Mmm dresses, if possible...

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Does anyone know anything about this dress? Sorry for the shitty pic. It's AatP and incredibly thick cotton, the sleeves are detachable and there's both waist ties and a necktie. Seller said she thought it was fairly old, but I can't find anything on lolibrary or online.

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>>9271221
Yes, loads.

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>>9271221
I tried, I guess the other anon was more succesful.

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>>9271233
I'm quite sure I have seen this dress somewhere. It might have been in an auction site though.

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>>9271247
I feel like an absolute idiot rn because I have always thought that was a green dress.

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>>9271254
It came in black, navy, green, wine and red. There was a green release as well.

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>>9271261
Pretty sure far left is navy.

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>>9271263
Baby also re-released a lot of stuff for the Classical Series in navy. So they're oldschool designs like the Elizabeth OP and karami JSK but in new colourways.

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>>9271268
(not a re-release, this headbow is from 2006)

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>>9271207
Based on its design and the stock pic, I'd guess it's from 2007.

>>9271254
Yeah I bought it from lacemarket and have seen another one on there recently, but neither seller knew about it. I've posted it before too

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Random dump of a few GLB street snaps I haven't seen uploaded before, from autumn 2006.

Cute country coord.

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>>9271642
Shiro coord that's hard to pigeonhole, combining a straw basket with a Vivienne Westwood orb necklace.

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>>9271643
Shiro coord giving me faint hime vibes.

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>>9271646
Generally a lot of straw baskets around this year. Sax polka dot OP.

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>>9271660
Goths, cross OP.

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>>9272420
Sorry about pictures for ants, but I love this coord.

>>9271642
It's crazy how dated these pics look. I can't believe 2006 was a decade ago

>>9272423
To be fair, there is the odd one that approaches modern looks but I'm deliberately not including them because 2006 is the very beginning of the rise of deco-loli/OTT sweet. I could dump those too if you want.

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Rare Yanners.

>>9272427
Not that anon, but plz do!

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Not sure if this is the right thread to ask, but it's sort of relevant as it looks pretty old!

Is anyone able to identify this dress? Or at very least, put a date on it?

All I know is it's Baby, but otherwise I have no info on it and was unsuccessful when posting in the "What is That Dress" Facebook group.

It's driving me nuts!!!!!! (Also apologies if picture is sideways - posting from mobile)

>>9273181
This dress is pissing me off too! I don't recognise that dress at all - the design is similar to the Waist Ribbon JSK, but the bodice and straps are totally wrong for it. I searched through all the BtSSB JSKs on lolibrary marked as either Black x White or Black x Offwhite, and all the BtSSB sets marked Black, Black x White or Black x Offwhite, with no luck. I also Google imaged "baby the stars shine bright waist ribbon button strap jsk", "egl comm sales btssb waist ribbon button strap jsk", "baby the stars shine bright button strap lucky pack dress", "baby the stars shine bright lucky pack sailor dress", "baby ウエストリボンジャンパースカート", "babyssb ウエストリボンジャンパースカート", "baby the stars shine bright ウエストリボンジャンパースカート", "ベイビー ウエストリボンジャンパースカート" and "ベイビーザスターズシャインブライト ウエストリボンジャンパースカート" with no relevant results either, even looking for stuff that could have had the straps modified to be that way.

My next instinct would be to look through GLBs and shop blogs for the suspected year of release, but there are no leads on that score either. To be honest, I don't think that JSK actually looks that old, especially with those straps - going off gut instinct here, I'd say probably post-2004, but with that lace it's definitely not super recent either. Guessing it might also be an LP or similar cheap set looking at the design. Could you tell me the information on the other tag inside? It should say either MADE IN JAPAN or MADE IN CHINA, and if it says MADE IN CHINA it's definitely a more recent release.

If you can be arsed, I'd suggest looking through all magazine scans available in order until you find it. This works most of the time, although you do get the odd thing that was never advertised in KERA or the GLB.

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>>9273181
That lace was commonly used in 2001-2002, and the weird shape of the bodice was characteristic of that timeframe as well. However, similar designs were made and released a couple times in years following. If I had to wager, I'd say the dress is likely 2001-2002. You should post a photo of the inside care tag. Those were pretty much all the same after 2002, but there's a chance that if it's different it could be a dead giveaway of how old the dress is.

>>9273734
To clarify, when I said "not that old", I meant "not so old that the reason we can't find it is because it's pre-2000", since I wasn't sure how old anon meant when she said "pretty old!" Should have made that clearer.

>>9273738
That's fine, anon; your advice to her was pretty solid.

Have you seen many pre-2000 pieces and have any tips on identifying them? I have an BTSSB OP that I'm fairly certain is late 90's, but I haven't been able to fully confirm it. The best anyone could find was someone wearing it in a street snap from 2000. I really want to find the exact year and see if I can get any original info/adverts for it, since I love reading what they had to say about their old stuff.

>>9273743
Have you tried https://web.archive.org/web/20000616235040/http://www.babyssb.co.jp/ ? Or the Kera scans from 1998/1999? I'm not actually sure where Baby used to advertise during this period.

>>9273765
I have tried the web archive and unfortunately it's older than their website, so it's not there, but I haven't tried Kera scans! That may be my best bet. If someone has a place to access old Kera scans (like a Flikr or something), then I'd love to look through them.

>>9273768
http://www.lolitahistory.com/gallery/index.php?/category/53

>>9273772
Thank you so much!!

>>9273729
>>9273734

Okay, so get this.. it does not have a care tag!!
I am sort of leaning towards its just some cheap piece of shit with a Baby tag sewn into it?

The dress itself is a decent quality material, the lace is nice and the construction looks pretty good when I searched over it for the tags. HOWEVER, the buttons look cheap, the zipper is a bulky YKK one and the dress itself is pretty short, a good 3 inches above my knees - its only about 79cm long or 84cm including the lace?

I have no idea what it is now haha. I might have a look over the old scans though and see if there is anything similar or with similar lace..

But until then, its a mystery I guess?

>>9273852
Any signs of a care tag being cut out? It might be very old (it's possible the buttons have been replaced over time as well), but I'm not sure. I have a 2001 Baby skirt and it's got a care tag like normal.

Being short and cheap-looking doesn't mean it's not Baby by any means, and I doubt someone would randomly sew the tag into a dress that wasn't.

>>9273852
No, I'd say it's still definitely Baby. It's very characteristic of their designs and has their lace in it, so I wouldn't worry about that. It may have been a very early lucky pack piece or even a sample!

>>9273867
No signs of it being cut out, in fact, no signs of it have even being picked out?

>>9273868
I had no idea they even did samples!

If it helps, other than the postage details, this was all the listing said:

BABY THE STARS SHINE BRIGHTのJSKです。

かなり前の物なので、使用感がだいぶあります。

レースの部分を直してる部分ありです。

>>9273729
>although you do get the odd thing that was never advertised in KERA or the GLB

Lol, most pieces haven't been though. Baby has released so much stuff over the years. Even Moitie (very few releases compared to Baby) only have a fraction of all of their releases in the bible.

>>9273852
>its only about 79cm long or 84cm including the lace

10 years ago, 90cm was the norm for the length of JSKs/OPs. Before that, shorter dresses were quite common. 84cm isn't unusual.

>>9274013
i wish shorter dresses were the norm again, theyre so flattering on us shorter lolitas

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I have stumbled upon a few things! I don't think they help the situation much but, Ill chuck it into the mix anyways possibly furthering the idea its a sample piece?

I found this! On Google images from Fril (can't find the original listing)

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>>9274176
And also this! Which is a listing..

https://item.fril.jp/154f6366e66bba46e615741b85982de7

Both dresses have the weird waist tie ribbon things? Which are pretty characteristic of the dress haha

But neither are actually the same thing.. hmmm

>>9274178
This one seems to be exactly the same cut as my Hem Scalloped jsk from 2006. I bet the lace at the collar is removable and even the ridiculously short length would match. Maybe it's a luckypack sort of thing or something similar?

>>9273895
My friend bought a cheap dress from an AP sample sale once, they still have to make samples for dresses to go into production so all dresses have them

How to find old school pieces? Do Japanese use some word on y!J for example?

>>9274204
Nope, you just have to look through all the listings for a brand. Japanese lolitas don't tag stuff as "old school" like we do, and it seems that some people who are selling really old stuff don't want to be open about the age of the piece as they're scared it'll decrease people's willingness to buy. You have to know what to look for.

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>>9272459
Diff. anon but I saw this recently. 2006 and it wouldn't look out of place with more recent AP releases with that organza overlay.

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I wish it was easier to find old /egl/ posts that had pictures that weren't just dead links. Been looking through some recently but it's all more recent - this is 2009 but the coord is oldschool, saturated colours on the Baby JSK make it look like one of the midschool releases.

http://egl.livejournal.com/13696358.html

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>>9274268
Same girl, 2007. Apparently she was mildly efamous and had her own brand, but I was too new to know about it.

Her whole photostream is interesting but none of it is dated so I can't tell which pics are her doing oldschool in 2009 or whatever and which are actually from the oldschool era. I can post indiscriminately if people want.

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>>9274275
Dropped link:
http://robinjoobin.livejournal.com/photo/album/306/?page=1

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>>9274278
Another pic from a Japanese girl's blog that looks oldschool but as actually posted in 2008 or so.

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>>9274280
Etc, newschool oldschool.

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>>9272459
None of these are newschool by any means but you're beginning to see the rise of elements like circle lenses, more voluminous hair, coloured wigs, prints and tea party shoes.

GLB 21, Spring 2006

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>>9274552
GLB 21 again, a quintessentially oldschool (but very pink) outfit to show contrast. Although DESU I always felt that brands like MAM MAXICIMAM and Cornet were behind the trends of the other brands, and carried on putting out oldschool stuff for years after it was only a minority for other brands.

>>9274275
I remember her! I was using some combo of Gaia and lj around that time (2007) and I remember her face, but especially her name.

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>>9274556
Shilling coloured contacts in the GLB. The rise of circle lenses begins.

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>>9274558
No newschool here, a shiro coord that's the epitome of oldschool in the same GLB.

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>>9274562
Very unpolished and typical old shoes, but a few transitional things going on here IMO. Hair is natural but neither in dollish ringlets nor virtually unstyled. Prints, patterned legwear, jewellery and the use of three or more colours rather than two in a coordinate point towards new trends.

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>>9274563
Typical oldschool coord but you can see that it's quite polished and cute-looking, and pink tea parties are being worn over other styles of shoe and black/white.

>>9274568
Onto GLB 22 now. Famous print but natural-coloured hair and white footwear.

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>>9274570
Dropped pic.

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>>9274571
Brand photoshoot. Natural hair in evidence, but also simple prints and coloured shoes.

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>>9274573
Promoting coloured contacts to make you look doll-like again. Generally there seem to be contacts in brand spreads quite often by this year, but they're not showing up in street snaps as far as I can tell.

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>>9274574
Baby print OP similar to stuff they're still coming out with, but coordinated in a very oldschool way using all one colour, a rectangle headdress and curled hair.

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>>9274575
Oldschool two-colour styling again, but seen with tea parties and simple prints on young Misako.

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>>9274576
Two-colour Misako coord again, again using pink tea parties, this time also using more voluminous hair, a headbow instead of a headdress, and a parka.

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>>9274577
Totally irrelevant mancandy in the middle of quite a large section on goth fashion for guys.

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>>9274580
Onto GLB 23, autumn 2006.

Magazine shoot with OTT styling.

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>>9274585
Vivid pastels on show with otherwise oldschool set decorated (?) for shoot.

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>>9274587
Simple Excentrique dress that looks similar to recent-ish Haenuli release and plenty of offbrand offerings.

>>9274588
Prints, red, white and pink (?) in same coord.

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>>9274590
Fuck's sake, dropped pic again.

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>>9274592
Prints, coloured tights.

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>>9274593
Oldschool styling but prints again.

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>>9274595
Forgot why (maybe voluminous hair?) but this is reading as kind of transitional to me despite having a lot of oldschool elements.

>>9274597
Forgotten where this one belongs but this was 2006 as well. Tea parties, pink print socks, excessively sweet satin bow.

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>>9274600
why

/end dump

2006 was a weird year generally because you did have super oldschool people getting snapped that wouldn't have been out of place in 2000, but also AP especially pushing towards new trends and new styles.

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>>9274601
Now I can see it big that's also got pearls sewn everywhere, stacked bows and jewellery.

JooBin again but another crossover image, deco'd phone with oldschool OP.

>>9274277
I own this jsk and now I need to find a blouse exactly like that!! The hunt begins. Any help would be appreciated.

>>9274633
Just search for BABY blouses on Y!J, you'll find plenty.

>>9274633
It's the Babydoll blouse with heart lace, they've re-released it a bunch. There was a re-release this year and last year IIRC.

>>9274275
I remember her. She used to do dance videos in old school. She was also the leader in the now disbanded Pink Project

>>9274653
*pinku project

It outo corrected.

>>9274563
That's not lolita though. It's otome.

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>>9274811

>>9274866
Are you really so dumb that you can't tell the difference?