Otasa-no-Hime

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Dumping some actual Otasa-no-Hime pics before I dive into the street fashion side.

>>9233574
This is adorable, keep going anon!

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>>9233559

Japan anon from the lolita thread here. Thank you for making a thread. I've been translating some old Japanese twitter memes so I'll post them as I finish them.

There's gotta be a more flattering name for this but I can't think of one right now.

Some background: Most of these will include references to black hair, which means undyed in Japan. Most girls are forbidden from dyeing their hair in high school and below, so when they get to college it's very common to dye your hair at least brown. Otaku girls are known to not dye their hair.

>>9233559
BLES YOU!!!

I hope this term (or any term) for this style catches on in the west. I'm so sick of trying to find coords under ~casual cute~

>>9233579
>metal frame glasses
>cat knee-highs
>face is cute if you stare hard enough
>ribbons
>"I'm not fat!"
>"I'm lonely"

Well it's for sure now, this is my new fashion calling in life.

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>>9233579
Otaku taste-kei?

TL Note: About the bag, this said Ameyokocho and Nakano originally but I couldn't fit both. I'm assuming it's referring to how Ameyokocho often has stores selling Chinese knockoffs and other cheap fake fashion stuff.

>>9233559
this is such a non-style
It just looks like what every ~ironic weeaboo gurl xD~ wears at my college. It looks unfashionable even by jfash standards

So this is just ugly nerd japanese girl style?

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>>9233588
>style mainly worn by college aged otaku girls trying to look cute
>"Every ironic weeaboo girl at my college wears this it's not a style!"

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>>9233585
Otaku-Hime style?

>>9233592
Basically, yeah. A nice change from other fashions to be honest. Looking cute while still being forever alone.

>>9233588
>presented with an actually acknowledged and categorized style worn japan (unlike the bulk of this board)
>I don't like it therefore it's not real

it's like genderless kei all over again... just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it's not Japanese street fashion

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diff anon than op, dumping from wear.jp

yell at me if something is off

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Finally I found the one photo to sum this fashion up.

Getting all dressed up to drag your merch suitcase down to Otome Road to spend time at your favorite butler cafe.

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>>9233610

>>9233607
She's living life.

This all reminds me of the junko manga about the fujoshi girl, minus the hot guys.

>>9233588

Well, I know what you mean by saying it's a non-style. It's what the average-looking attention-whores in my STEM classes wore around the guys too. I was following that other thread where this term was mentioned and kek'd when I saw it because I immediately knew the kind of girl/look the "princess of the anime club" is referring too. It's actually kinda insulting ("the only reason you're cute is cause there's no other girls around"). It's not something fashionable or something to be emulated. imo ofc

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>>9233616
>"the only reason you're cute is cause there's no other girls around"
I think it's less than and more "You're cute and you're into ____ which not a lot of other girls are"

It's like finding a guy who dresses well who joins the cooking/sewing club or takes a female-dominated field in college. Yeah, there are plenty of other cuter guys in the area but none of them share your interest.

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Translated the drawing from the OP. Tons of text so I had to move shit around, I'm not typesetter.

TL Note: The menhara in the venn diagram probably refers to girls with actual mental issues (personality disorders etc) rather than the weird fashion, "circle crasher" is a phenomenon similar to otasa-no-hime where a girl will ruin a circle because all the guys are fighting over her.

I like this pic because it has lots of brand names.

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This whole fashion reminds me heavily of Princess Jellyfish in that she's not the prettiest girl around but she can still dress cute and be totally obsessed with her hobby instead of neglecting herself and just wearing sweats all day.

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>>9233623
Good example. This is how most fujoshi dress in Japan, so maybe we could just call it fujoshi-kei.

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>>9233625
>inb4 "We're not all fujoshi!!"
I am and I approve but I suspect the name will sort of shift and change if this catches on until something either is used more than the rest or something clicks perfectly.

I really need to buy me some of these skirts. All I have on hand is pleated/plaid nanchatte stuff.

>>9233621
wear anon here: thanks, brands make finding examples a little easier

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And last one from OP. Going to see if I can find some brand examples going off Japan Anon's article link in a little bit.

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>>9233633
haha, swimmer is a gold mine

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>>9233616
Whats the other thread? Can I please get a link?

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>>9233659

>>9233658 it's the saging lolita general. it's a pretty interesting read, in spite the salty arguments

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>>9233666

I'm torn between this. On the one hand I do find it cute. On the other hand I feel like we're forcing this to be an actual thing kinda like uchuu kei.

A lot of these just look like general cute fashion and perhaps people are so desperate to have a label that we're latching onto it.

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>>9233607
Bless this girl.

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>>9233668
Ironically, it is a "thing" in Japan, based on the memes and what anon living in Japan mentioned. it doesn't have to be a ~style~ in the way that western jfash comms like to classify things in order for it to be a real thing with a name people call it.

like, in the west we can call something "preppy" without it being a full-on goth style subculture.

as far as the name, I think people just like having something they can google for ideas.

hey, if this board can acknowledge something as bs as CPK they might as well note something like this.

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>>9233668
I agree a bit, some of the stuff being dumped now is regular stuff?

I was hoping to see more like the pictures posted earlier that kinda fit this anime club princess..aesthetic?

It's dorky, but cute and comfortable looking.

>>9233676
>like, in the west we can call something "preppy" without it being a full-on goth style subculture.

Can you clarify what you meant by this because you 100% lost me here and I'd like to understand your position fully since it's different from mine.

I dressed like this at my community college anime club. Glad to know this is a thing. Like it looks basic to those into J-fashion but to "normies" it still sticks out a little.
I mainly see this fashion worn by girls who show up to conventions in my area that go only for the vendor hall and artist alley.

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>>9233677
I think those were my posts (OP here). The stuff later on is cute but stuff like >>9233644 is nanchatte. I'm not overly familiar with every Jfashion under the sun but I think some of the others may technically be other established styles as well.
I'm not knocking anon though for posting because it did need more content but they did say if they got some stuff wrong to let them know.

>Overall from what I can tell the fashion boils down to this:

1. Average nerdy girls looking cute
2. Cute fashionable style with nerdy/otaku accessories
3. Natural looks (no wigs, glasses well suited, not a ton of makeup or very natural makeup)
4. Everyday style (no OTT here!)
5. Worn by college age 20+ girls
6. Mascot/anime or even cosplay accessories (bag charms seem the most common)
7. Aesthetic is akin to Princess Jellyfish or generic moe anime girls
8. Perfect accessories would likely be your Itabag and cute animal knee-highs

Any instagrams or blogs of girls (J ones) with this style/ fujoshi style?

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>>9233691
Not knocking that anon either, I just noticed some of the post were other styles or something.

I'll try to find some to post in a bit, googling in japanese brought up a couple of things and I'll try twitter or instagram.

Honestly though, I think a lot of the good inspiration might just come from anime but that's just my thoughts.

>>9233690
I get you! Thanks for clarifying. I may not agree with your opinion still but you've posed a good argument for why some might consider this to be a style so thank you for giving me some nice food for thought.

>>9233691
yeah, sorry if I missed the mark! thanks for letting me know.

I hope I didn't mess up the thread too much.

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>>9233691
And bonus note because I just remembered it. The likely reason why OTK/thigh-highs are a big factor in this look is the popularity of the otaku-created "Zettai Ryoiki" where basically it's the gap of skin between OTKs/thigh highs and skirts. It's an attribute to moe girls so of course it would be popular with this fashion.

There used to be handy guide with the different lengths and what they meant but I can't find it so I grabbed pic related instead.

>>9233610
Is this not closer to larme kei?

And what separates some of these girlier outfits from himekaji? Is it the make up, hair, accessories?

(This isn't a criticism of what's been posted. Just trying to understand properly.)

>>9233702
OP here and nah, you're totally fine! You posted some good examples along the way so don't worry about it.

>>9233699
I don't see this as a style.

I just see as casual, but cute, japanese fashion. In all the specific styles, this mirrors the formula... cute skirt/shorts, visible socks, cute tops, and so forth.

It's what I wear pretty much.

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>>9233705
Himekaji, from a quick google search, is much too girly and dolled up for this style.
It's a lot of hair extensions/wigs, dyeing, with false lashes and too extreme makeup.

This style (whatever name it may end up being for the Western girls) is primarily natural hair, minimal makeup (probably just BB cream and mascara/eyeliner then out the door), and it's less dolly looking.

>>9233668
This, it's just an insulting/ironic term, like weeb. It's not its own jfashion, it's like weeb clothing - nobody calls it weeb kei, it just happens to be that they wear what they see in anime.

I think it's great to have a thread for it though... like, stuff you can wear to class and be comfy in.

>>9233705 here

Sorry I took forever to type this and failed to see >>9233691 before posting.
Okay so if you're an actually cute girl dressed in casual cute, does this not relate?
I feel like I see what's posted in this thread for irl examples like >>9233619 or >>9233627 a lot (this doesn't include what's shown in the illustrations) and it's fairly popular for me to see when I visit Japan. Just seemed like average girls wearing cute clothes desu.

>>9233668
>>9233716
It does have an actual name in Japan, it's Otome-Kei. It's just that the fashion and the brands in it (Axes Femme, Ank Rouge, etc) is primarily worn by this type of girl (Otasa-no-Hime).

The only reason why we're calling it Otasa-no-Hime Style is because Otome-Kei to Westerners is a completely different look and when the topic first came up in another thread Western Otome wearers were pretty damn stubborn about acknowledging the Japanese Otome shared their same name.

So basically if you want to call this by its actual style, it's Japanese Otome. The only reason why we're referring to it by the type of girl that wears it the most is purely to differentiate it from Western Otome.

>tl;dr If everyone wants, we could just call it Japanese Otome to clear up the confusion?

>>9233722
I posted just behind you but see >>9233723
for an explanation.

>>9233714
I guess I'm confused by the brands mentioned by OP (like >>9233723
Ank rouge and >>9233559
Liz Lisa), these are commonly associated with himekaji. And not sure what google results are bringing up, but himekaji is like toned down/casual version himegyaru (using brands like La Parfait and Jesus Diamanté). I guess that's why I'm getting a little turned around lol.
But I think it has to do more with otaku type interests as well?

>>9233713
Someone else expressed your same opinion earlier I think.

I was just saying a lot of the dumped pictures looked more like already established styles?

>>9233705
Himekaji is more gyaru. You can tell by the hair and makeup. I think they have some overlap though, both of them like Liz Lisa for example.
This and "Larme-kei" are both sometimes referred to as "girly fashion" in Japan. I don't know of a better term.

>>9233729
Yeah I just realized, it takes me forever to type and in the mean time people have been clearing things up. I'm gonna shut up for a while and just come back later lol. Thanks!

>>9233723
I am a little annoyed with the Western way of thinking when it comes to substyles. We are so bent on naming it something and keeping it to separate it. Otome -kei is something I had a hard time agreeing with name wise.

>>9233726
>But I think it has to do more with otaku type interests as well?
Spot on, basically. It's got thigh-highs, moe anime looks, while still being the otaku girl who plays DS and has charms of her favorite characters on her phone and straps on her bag.

Like Japan Anon said in the previous topic (I really need to cap and post it) Japanese Otome-Kei is just cute everyday Japanese fashion but some girls shy away from certain looks because they don't want to be confused for an Otasa-no-Hime.

This feels like something a girl would do to get a lot of attention from guys who dont have higher standards, but think shes the best because "ooomg a girl likes anime!!!!"

Minus the black hair (my hair is dark brown), this look feel like it's basically me when I am too lazy for himekaji or larme. And even more so, basically those Japanese girls I see everywhereee in Japan who buy LizLisa and shit, but are also too lazy with the make-up and hair (and glasses instead of contacts). I thought this was just casual fashion in Japan, or do you only count as an otaku circle princess when you have a squad of geeky guys around you?

>>9233736
This almost reminds me of the standard style for maid café girls (the actual Aki ones).
So the main thing is to be cute and approachable to otaku men in a way right?
Cause I can see how himekaji hair and makeup can be too, intimidating in a way? (Despite it being princess like and looking like an anime girl).

>>9233741
I'm not Japan Anon so I can't fully say but to me it's basically the type of look that could pass for just regular "cute everyday" style you see in Japan except that it has little touches that do attract fellow otaku, like with the thigh-highs and glasses being a big part rather than contacts, and more natural looks rather than a lot of makeup.

Himekaji though would definitely attract a different kind of guy and give off a different kind of vibe.

All the gulls who don't like this can keep eating salt. I think this is positively adorable. The memes kind of "making fun" of this style are funny, too. We shouldn't take ourselves too seriously all the time.

Thanks for the thread, OP.

>>9233739
Honestly kind of me too. Especially when I'm at work, I like to wear Liz Lisa tier outfits but am super lazy about making my hair nice and sometimes wear PC glasses. Obviously I'm not going for OTK socks in the office, but I'm just a lazy looking girl in cute clothes lol. But desu I really have no inclination towards otaku type things so idk what to think.

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the mc from Watashi ga Motete Dousunda is one when she goes on her first date.
It's enough of a thing to have a trope

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Okay here's caps from the start of the topic on it if anyone wants them. Included a good illustration of the style that clearly shows how it differs from Japanese Otome aka Everyday-Cute/Girly style.

I'm all for turning this into a regular Japanese Otome topic if people would like that or blending the two styles since they're all the same clothes but with different accessories/hair+makeup preferences. I just thought /cgl/ would get a kick out of it because we're all basically Otasa Hime's.

>>9233739
You're considered an otaku princess if you're wearing weeb merch or hanging out with male weebs. Otherwise it's basically Japanese Otome.

>>9233758
Don't worry, see the above response.

>>9233752
Yeah it's a pretty funny fashion/trope but it's seriously right up /cgl/'s alley for some people.

>>9233739
It's casual fashion in that it's suitable for easy daily use, but not mainstream/normie fashion. Here's an example of current normie 20's Japanese girl fashion trends: http://tomothai.net/2016年秋冬のトレンドファッション「流行ファッシ/ (copy and paste this ridiculous URL)

Remember that "black hair" in a Japanese context is more like "natural hair", although girls who have browner natural hair do color theirs darker than sometimes.

>>9233760
This is a great topic. I would say I definitely dress like this on my casual days and days off (I am a teacher,can wear this to work aha). Only thing off is I have long curly blonde gyaru hair,but I guess even styles for that can be toned down to fit this.
Looking for more inspo.

>>9233597
Not them, but genderless kei is a dumb way to refer to it dive androgynous fashion has always been a thing

So far Otasa no Hiem seems to be a casual girly style worn by otaku girl that are trying to look cute (without actually being fashionable). And their idea of cute is what they see in anime.
In this case many pics in this thread are just casual cute j-fash, because they lack the "otaku" vibe (like anime charms, kitty tights, DS).

>>9233760
Definitely keep it as an Otasa Hime thread. This is right up my fucking alley. I love the premise of it and even if the west, if you dress cute as one of the only girls in a clube - book, anime, films, things not hands on - you quickly rise in the ranks. Maybe thats just the schools I've been to but its nice to have a name for it!

I'm going to us this to reclaim my VP position in my club - even if I do feel a bit silly saying that.

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>>9233766
>from normie Southern central
>copy and paste link expecting cute stuff
>mfw this is exactly what I see here

Well.. at least it's reassuring to know that normie-wear is universal?

>>9233771
*Otasa no hime goddamit keyboard.

I don't really see how this is a style, unless you bring along a group of ugly nerds as a fashion accessory, it's just a normal casual j-fashion.

>>9233625
Nah, fujos are the female equivalent of neck beards. They're pre-kuronosuke I.e sweats and generally unfashionable and cheap clothing

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>>9233760
I think we should keep it just as an otasa-no-hime topic now, it might not be a real "style" as far as other anons are concerned but I still think it's pretty cute.

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>>9233771
They don't have to strictly be toting games around or wearing kitty tights, it's more the general feel of it. Thigh-highs/OTKs are a big part of it because of otaku 'moe girl' standards, ruffles and generally other cutesy designs like that are also a big part rather than just a flat skirt.
But yeah, this fashion is basically trying to be cute but not quite succeeding in actually being pretty because you're not going full on with the makeup, switching to circle lenses, etc. It's just comfortable cute fashion with otaku girl touches.

>>9233699
BTW, this pic is comparing fujoshi (on the right) to non-fujoshi otaku on the left.

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>>9233784
Dumping some stuff from "How to Date an Otaku Girl" as inspo.

This is just how I dress everyday, combined with the fact that I am a member of a board game club, being literally the only female... It's kind of strange to read this is "a thing" (or just a meme) because this is, for me, just dressing casual. I just don't have the money to burn on clothes + dressing in full J-Fash, like Himekaji, everyday is a hassle. I'm not wearing heels to Uni or doing over complicated makeup...

>sorry for blogging

Ok but this whole thread is giving me flashbacks to being "circle crasher" in highschool, only thing is i dont know shit about anime
I used to wear lolita on a less regular basis than i do now and so id wear casual cute outfits, basically this thread.
>Literally only had guy friends,
> 8/10 of them fought over me and it ended up tearing the group apart
>tfw i didnt mean for any of this to happen but i wont lie, the attention was nice

>>9233579
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>>9233595
>>9233625
>>9233723

If this is an actual style in Japan, we should use the same term as in Japan. If this is called otome in Japan we should use that, and change the name of "western otome". If it's not an actual style in Japan, we should give it a Western name or just call it weeb fashion or something.

>>9233733
This. Everything has to have a name, what happened to creativity?

>>9233758
Same, for me it's also just at work/daily. I do sometimes even wear those fake OTK socks stockings like the cat one, but more because I have those lying around, and I don't want to waste wearing my fancy high quality stockings too much just for work. One time I almost wore a panda one, but it was so ita, I decided that I should try and find something a little less weeby. And I have otaku accessories on my LizLisa bag too (since I am an anime fan).

>>9233765
Well damn, like I just stated above, I guess I am wearing 'weeb' merch. And I do hang out with male weebs/otaku/whatever you want to call anime fans, but I'm not the only girl.

>>9233766
Even so, I have honestly seen sooo many girls wearing this in Japan. Maybe minus the otaku items for some. I remember there was literally a group of girls dressed like that sitting next to me and my sis in a restaurant. And I also see them more often as customers than himekaji girls in LizLisa, Ank Rouge, or Axis Femme stores. I always thought it were just girls who wanted the clothes, but didn't had knowledge on the make-up/hair. And knowing Japan, it's not that uncommon to have otaku stuff like anime keychains. Furthermore, fake OTK sock tights are sold everywhere too. I think I bought my cat one at a 300 yen shop. So I never really thought much about girls wearing that.

Oh well, I guess it's good to know I'm still stylish when I'm not even trying.

>>9233808
There are no fashions in Japan called "otome-kei". Otome-kei does refer to the kind of boys love video games that fujoshi like, though. Maybe that's where the whole thing started? I have no idea. Western otome-kei is more or less called "soft lolita" in Japan, but that's just a term Misako Aoki made up. I translated a really long Yahoo Answers post in the saging lolita thread about casual lolita vs soft lolita.

Japan seems to call this otaku fashion or fujoshi fashion (or otasa no hime fashion) so honestly weeb fashion is not a bad name. We could also shorten it into otahime fashion or something.

>>9233808
>If this is called otome in Japan we should use that, and change the name of "western otome".

No, otasa no hime is kinda weeby, cute fashion for nerdy girls. What we call otome doesn't have a name in Japan. Otome-kei revolves around brands like Jane Marple and as far as Japan anon and the garphics explain an otasa no hime would never buy expensive brand like Jane Marple. Also, Otome-kei is only casual compared to Lolita. As a fashion itself it's really quirky, combining different patterns and playing with colors. Otasa no hime is way more comfy than that.

>>9233808
>we should use the same term as in Japan

we are, it's just the slang term used to make fun of the style instead of the style itself (since we've gone and misused otome in the west, aparently).

>we should rename western otome
good luck with that, since aparently japanese think of that style as casual/soft lolita... and we all know the Lolitas are going to pitch a fit about that and refuse

>>9233736
Please do cap it and post it, please and thanks anon.

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This drawing from Twitter is pretty funny. It's comparing two girls attempting the same otasa no hime fashion. On the left is a pro college-age otasa no hime, on the right is a newbie high schooler.

otasa no hime/otahime is a fine name for it.

>>9233830
>we all know Lolitas are going to pitch a fit about that and refuse

rude. you should be more concerned about the people who actually wear the western version of otome-kei. what western otome-kei has turned into HAS become "soft lolita" and as long as they stay mostly separate from regular lolita, it's fine. plus misako said it's okay and that's a point in the term "soft lolita"'s favor.

but it's not going to happen because western otome-kei isn't just a /cgl/ thing.

>>9233833
see >>9233760

>>9233621
Savage

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>>9233621
Whoops, I fucked up part of this translation. It should say "but she thinks that she is the cutest of them all" on the left. Fixed version here. Polite sage.

>>9233608
That blouse is so cute.

>>9233830
>we all know the Lolitas are going to pitch a fit about that and refuse
Actually there have been lolita's in the otome kei threads who argued that otome kei is just soft or casual lolita, but they were called trolls. Then again, most girls who wear otome also (used to) wear lolita. I think it's more true that some people and brands don't want to be associated with the term lolita.

>>9233785
I don't know why I'm surprised but I definitely prefer the fujo style

>>9233621
What on earth does heavy periods have to do with anything hahahaha. That was a random note

I wonder if Japanese boards have threads like this to argue about Western 'fashion', like how to be a hipster, not realising that people generally don't call themselves hipster.

>>9233860
Are there some weird associations with heavy periods? That part of the drawing seems so random.

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>>9233885
Us fujos have a higher standard to live up to.. like finding other well dressed fujos to go on dates with to BL cafes.

>>9233891
Definitely. With how many Japanese fashions are based off western looks, they've probably got some combination of /cgl/+/fa/ where all they do is bicker about Western trends and post their snapshots. I mean hell, the gyaru have taken to Crocs like they're god's gift to fashion thinking they're the hottest trend when really Westerners can't stand them.

>>9233887
>>9233897
Haha, honestly I have no idea. Maybe it means she is extra bitchy during her PMS?

>>9233908
>>9233897
>>9233887
I googled a bit but the only thing I can see is that heavy period = low energy so maybe they mean the girl is lazy and doesn't do much. The medication bit struck me as well so it could be that they're commenting on how this type of girl isn't quite right since it shares part of the graph with menhera? Sort of how we classify male anime fans as spergs/neckbeards/etc. They're just not like what you'd consider "normal guys".

This is all speculation though.

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I hope we can keep this topic going in the future or start a group chat one day for fashion or nerd talk.

This otasa no hime/otahime style is cute, casual and the drawings are funny despite being somewhat harsh. I wish the otaku crowd where I live would try to dress a bit cuter while still having nerdy touches.

I prefer this over the clusterfuck that is tumblr-kei.

>>9233923
>tumblr-kei

is this actually a thing or are we just sticking -kei on shit now

>>9233929
It's just bad tumblr "jfashion", l've never seen tumblr-kei used other than to be sarcastic

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>>9233929
It's a sarcastic term but on sites like AliExpress it's a thing and this is what it pulls up. Tumblr-kei despite being a mocking term does have a distinct look that's as awful as you'd expect if you added in those CreepyYeha knockoffs, galaxy print, and these tees.

>>9233941
>>9233946
TIL my 25 year old big sister is tumblr-kei and i am her snotty otahime counterpart

there's some similarities between some of the stuff i would consider a little "tumblr-kei" and otasa no hime like cheap kitty stockings, chokers, shameless garters, and general weeb aesthetics. i see this fashion as kind of what the teen tumblr weebs are trying to go for, but fail at because they don't have a sense of what's really moe. see >>9233842

just food for thought

>>9233958
There are definetely a couple similarities in small elements, but with tumblr-kei those kitty stockings might be paired with something galaxy print or with a pastel seifuku rather than a cute blouse and skirt + cardigan. It kills me everytime I see it

>>9233847
>>9233958
kinda OT, but I love the otahime abbreviation. let's keep it

>>9233978
Seconding Otahime.

>>9233766
>http://tomothai.net/2016年秋冬のトレンドファッション「流行ファッシ/
christ that's awful. I really hope normie japanese fashion gets a little cuter by the time I visit in 2018

>>9233617
I'm here for reverse otahime-chan

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Another translation. Originally I was going to try to find these for various j-fashions and make a thread, but it's way too easy to find otahime stuff.

>>9233728
Oh, they definitely are already established styles. I do noticed the similarity that everything posted is very casual, and nothing one would wear out for a night on the town.

It is perhaps worthwhile for a thread featuring wearable outfits from any style. (I realize we see 'wearable' j-fash, casual lolita, and so forth...) But a thread for just 'casual style' could encompass all forms of j-fash.

It's the alternative to leggings and tunics or jeans and a cardigan over in America popular for everyday wear. (Goths, preppy styles, and bohemian chicks all wear leggings and tunics as popular clothing choices albeit different motifs.)

It's true that casual attire in Japan has a much different feel then casual attire in America.

>>9233998
>religion: cats
>"XYZ-tan is my waifu/husbando"
>artificial pose
>must have frills

Good god it's like this fashion was sent by the /cgl/ goddesses.

>>9233998
thank you for all of these translations! and if any other anon is doing translations too, i appreciate you as well! i love the otahime diagrams, and if you find any interesting diagrams for any other jfasion i'm sure we'd like them too. i like saving them for reference.

>>9233998
Thank you so much for the translations!

>>9233998
this one is fantastic, thanks anon!

I feel like things like >>9233606 and >>9233610 are too done up for this style based on the "guides" kind anons have translated. IMO the style seems to focus on wearing cute stuff but not being as much of a stickler over the hair and makeup. These girls have nicely done hair and makeup, even if it's subtle, as well as nicely coordinated outfits.

Basically you can't just grab anything from wear.jp and say it fits this style. And there are more in this thread that don't really work but these two just happened to grab my attention.

Im not trying to be a style nazi or anything but grabbing a bunch of pictures from random brand pages on wear does not make this style look any more legitimate.

>>9234013
Anon, I'd say that items from any style could be used to create a casual look though.

(If you aren't mixing rokku gyaru and sweet lolita items or something bizarre. Stick with a theme, of course.)

>>9233998
Holy shit

>>9234019
i think the point was that there are examples being provided that coordinate items in a more put-together way that doesn't communicate what these diagrams are portraying

like you said, items from any style may be able to make a casual look, but i don't think that's really what the anon you replied to was disputing

such as >>9233610 and >>9233603 , which don't say "otasa no hime" to me as much as >>9233595
>>9233571 and >>9233612 do. if this makes sense.

but this is still a new thing to a lot of us so it makes sense that there's a disconnect

Sometimes I wonder if I should leave lolita for something like otahime. I turned 20 now

>>9234027
Ah, I see. Yeah, it can't be complicated. It seems long/short sleeve tops and skirts is the requirements.

At the same time, I'm almost wondering if this is a blatant joke.

>>9234028
i think that a lot of us lolitas have lolita, and then a more casual style that we choose to dress in when lolita isn't entirely appropriate

otahime can be that for you, unless you all of a sudden don't like lolita anymore

>>9234030
the term otasa no hime itself is kind of a joke/meme and honestly i don't see the appeal of being associated with that kind of "circle breaker" character. it's like analyzing the fashion surrounding the word "basement dweller" to me

but this aesthetic is obviously cuter than that

>>9234013
>>9234027
Agreed. I feel like too many outfits in this thread are just larme or himekaji, worn in a more everyday or toned down way. The whole look of this style is more.... desperate and weeby, So you can't just grab whatever ank rouge/axes femme/liz lisa outfits off wear that aren't super polished and say it's otasa-hime (I also feelit's kind of insulting).

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I feel like cgl-tan could be a great otahime.

>>9234041
A bit too special snowflake looking .
Maybe it is the hair?
She fits but kind of doesn't lol

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>>9233998
Oh my God, it's /cgl/-kei!

>>9234043
Of course not her usual images, but nerdy-cute sums up cgl pretty well.

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>>9234044
considering so how many anons say "that's my usual clothes", well.
Also, I'm 100% sure thats how others see us anyway, cute tryhard weebs.

>>9234048
This picture is everything and probably how people outside the cgl- zone see a majority of people here. A least this is what I have seen plenty of times.

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early /cgl/-tan definitely fits into this

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>>9234051
Looking at google resultst otasa no hime seems to be quite an insult.

>>9234054
why is my father dressed up like azunyan

>>9234052
Bring back otahime cgl-tan. It fits her more anyways.

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Throwing this one into the fire. It's a little different from the rest, this one reminds me of some different /cgl/ fashions. Keep in mind these are all random people drawing shit and posting it on Twitter, not fashion experts.

I'm going to try and put a coord together, do you guys think bonbon21 would be too much? They have some really cute frilly skirts

>>9234060
lool looks like a bodyline ita

Hey they seem to be getting attention and living it up. *shrug*
But I can see how it can be an insult.

>>9234064
bobon21 is fine. it's about how you coord it. avoid too himekaji and make it look as desperate as possible and you're a++++

>>9234054
Because the term itself is supposed to be an insult, it's sarcastic.

>>9234066
Far right is totally Milanoo-kei.

>>9234064
Hell, I think I'll try to coord as well for school next week after the Halloween hype is over.

>>9233660
Thanks! I'll go read it!

>>9233559
Is that basically "attention-whore-kei"?

>>9234095
This.

>>9233998
Calculated boobstrapping? Like wearing a cross body bag in general?

>>9234107
From what I've seen on other images it basically means she's dressing in a way to show off her brests. Some even say otahime have big boobs in general.

>>9234041
I feel like cgl-tan is suppose to actually be cute though.

She's not ugly, I don't think.

>>9234044
I wish we had more cgl-tan art. I need to draw her surrounded by r9k or something if I ever feel like drawing

>>9234048
These two images made me laugh out loud. Thank you for making my night less gloomy

>>9234066
Can someone translate?

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>>9233998
Whoops, I just realized I fucked the translation of this up (read 考察 as 考案, lol!). I knew it sounded weird. Here's a fixed version with a better source.

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did i capture it, gulls? i'm trying to understand this thing. i would apologize for the wrinkly pleats but it probably adds to the look

this is the worst

>>9234108
>some even say otahime have big boobs in general

well damn

>>9234066
Translation anon here, it's for a mobile game so it's not really worth translating the text on the bottom, which is more or less a parody of Pokemon evolving and says the same thing each time.

The titles are:
Otaku circle girl
Otaku circle popular girl
Otaku circle mascot
Otaku circle princess

>>9234128
Personally I think this captures the style, good job! I would maybe add a tie-up ribbon or something to your blouse if you can. Don't worry about the boobs thing, there are plenty of flat otaku. This is Japan we're talking about after all.

>>9234133
thanks anon! i knew i was forgetting something! luckily i just found the ribbon tie that goes with this blouse. now the anime club will accept me.

>>9234128
you forgot the part where you're supposed to be fat/chubby

2/10 fucking try harder

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>>9233579
>list ending with "I want to die"

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Before she went off the deep end and started biting people, Pikarin reminded me of a girl who would be an otahime. She had a short phase where she wore a lot of suitable outfits, carried her DS and did lots of anime poses and videos in akiba

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>>9233579
How'd everyone else do?

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>>9234128
I hope this wasn't creepy of me to do but it feels appropriate

You did it, anon

>>9234146
She's always been super cringy.

I have no idea why but I'm absolutely in love with this aesthetic. Can we please make otahime threads a regular thing here?

>>9234154
We definitely can! We can make it a fashion and general nerd general where we can just be ridiculous and make fun of ourselves and meet other otahime gulls.

>>9234128
10/10, would worship if I was an awkward otaku guy

>>9234165
I'd love this, it's nice seeing a fun and casual thread.

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For blouses, where does everyone get theirs? I just can't seem to find cute blouses to go with my skirts so right now my wardrobe is cutesy hoodies.

how do i get my hair antennae to be as sticky-outy? maybe my pigtails are just too big

>>9234137
damn, let me just take care of that real quick
>>9234148
i'm honored, this is hilarious thank you
>>9234170
thanks anon! 10/10 would trade friend codes with
>>9234154
i'd like this, the fashion actually makes me feel kind of cute despite its weirdly specific association with a certain persona

it's nice that we're all just kind of fucking around for once and trying to figure things out
>>9234188
my blouse is from Bobon 21, i like it a lot and it was cheap! my others are just Angelic Pretty but i'm sure you can find more economically sound options if you need to. maybe lolita shops on taobao? lolita blouses just have that nice poof-sleeve and frill detailing that seems to show up a lot in these diagrams.

>>9234188
If you're looking locally F21 has some cute blouses in their "girly" section.

Online you can try
>bonbon21
>taobao/aliexpress/ebay
>lolita brands
>secondhand like depop or auctions

My go to blouse is actually from a maid costume, heh

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>>9234192
Yeah I think I'll get some generic Taobao lolita blouses. I've had a few like pic related in my cart for a while.

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>>9234188
I bought a few from Liz Lisa's sister brand Tra La La a while back and they are 100% otasa hime.

>>9233632
I want to be an Otasa no Hime irl

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I don't have a black wig, but I tried.

>>9233616
>"the only reason you're cute is cause there's no other girls around"). It's not something fashionable or something to be emulated
Exactly my thoughts. I don't really think it's a fashion. The girls who wear this style are considered unattractive and not in the "not appealing to men" way lolita is seen but in the just downright ugly and unfashionable way. I don't get why any gull would find this appealing. It's interesting though.

>>9234211
It's appealing in an ironic way to me. I think that a lot of our misses/fails at jfash end up looking exactly like what otasa no hime is described as.

>>9234033
You also can't just slam it on and be himekaji or larme. These cases are still more otasa-hime than himekaji or larme. For the latter two styles you definitely need make-up and hair to be on point. There is no "toned down". You might as well say it's toned down otasa-hime then.

>>9234199
If you're not putting in the effort to look himekaji, then yeah.

>>9234128
What other anon said, with a ribbon on the blouse this would be even better. Just a nitpick though and it still reads otahime.

>>9234208
This doesn't read as very otahime to me based on what I've seen in the thread so far, maybe with more skirt frill and accessories that coordinate better (namely shoes/socks/bag/frillier blouse). But I understand that not everybody just has this stuff on hand

>>9234211
The "style" itself is a bit of a mess, and I'm kind of confused because the term otahime is supposed to refer to a certain kind of person. Namely a frumpy fujo attention-seeker. Like another anon said, it would be like starting a thread on "basement dweller fashion" or "neckbeard fashion." But I think that right now we're just focusing on the best clothing that seems to come along with it and ignoring its implications.

>>9234228
You do realize that there's a middle ground between himekaji/Larme and this otahime stuff right? I still stand by what I said here >>9234013. Those girls are just pulling off a casual yet we'll put together look, which doesn't seem to hit the points brought up in this thread.

Fuck this board (and western jfashion comms in general) loves to shoehorn anything they can into a new style!!! It's so embarrassing. I wonder how these girls would feel about that.

>>9234229
Idk I think the not matching thing makes it more like what's pictured. It's the sense of hamfisting cute/otaku items into one outfit regardless of whether they go together.

>>9233827
>It does have an actual name in Japan, it's Otome-Kei.

>>9234231
considering they are a bunch of embarassing otaku who want attention, I have a feeling they would be pretty pleased we are trying to copy them.

also, chill. we are just having fun.

>>9234231
>!!!
i agreed with you but then you seem a little bit too riled about this? this whole style is a joke. otahime is a meme. some gulls are recognizing that it's kind of cute and might warrant a more casual jfashion thread. i think you need to take a step back and have a little fun.

>western jfashion comms in general
i don't know if you've been a part of any japanese comm (most people who complain about western comms haven't) but they're seriously no different. some people are uptight assholes and other people want to special snowflake their way into a new fashion. that doesn't change just because it has ~kawaii nipponese~ members.

>>9233998
Can you find stuff on otome kei?

>>9234237
like the western style? that doesn't exist in japan. that's literally how we got to this thread.

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>>9233597
This is no more a legit fashion than basic white girl kei.

>Ugg boots
>black leggings
>green jacket

Yes it's incredibly specific and clearly defined, but most people aren't doing it on purpose.

>>9234235
This, we're all just having fun. I don't really think there's a need to be so serious about this.

It's just a style/trope of a girl next door type otaku who dresses in a way she finds cute or moe, I guess. We already acknowledged the jokes and memes about being an otahime, I don't think anyone really cares that much.

>>9234013
>>9234027

This thread has existed for less than a day and there's already people acting like they're experts

>>9234248
>people discussing a weird niche look and offering their opinions isn't allowed

are you okay, anon? we're all just trying to figure out what the hell this even is

>>9234199
This is a Liz Lisa (not Tralala) blouse but fine, okay.

>this sudden influx of salty anons trying to ruin the fun

Is that a samefag I smell?

>>9234236
I think you're not taking this seriously enough. Yes, some gulls recognise it's a meme. But other gulls will make regular otahime threads now. It'll spread and stay with us forever, just like kodona.

>>9234241
No, I mean the Japanese otome style that Japan anon mentioned.

>>9234257
>i don't think you're taking this seriously enough

why would i? this is 4chan of all places. it's not like having a questionable thread would make our reputation as gulls any worse than it already is. just hide the thread and scroll by if you don't want to deal with it. its obscurity will probably make it fizzle out on its own anyway.

while i understand where you're coming from, let the gulls have their fun while it lasts.

>>9234235
? We have no idea if the girls whose pictures were taken from wear are otakus. I'm not taking about the girls who are obviously into this sort of thing.

>>9234236
I'm aware it's a joke. It's just weird to see people pulling stuff out of brand tags and being all "it's totally otahime!" When these are just casual brands that can be used for anything. And if the style is slightly unkempt but cute dressing girl then some of these pictures don't really apply.

There is definitely a tendency in western comms to classify everything into certain little styles. I can't wait to see tumblr and ig get their tag happy paws on this one.

>>9234258
they meant this, from what I understand...

>>9234261
just let it pass, anon. it's somewhat better than the typical shit tumblr style anyway, and i really don't think that /cgl/ holds the cultural prominence to make such an obscure "style" a big thing. most jfash enthusiasts/weebs i know are terrified of 4chan. i just think it's irrational to be so worried about such a little thing.

>it's just weird to see people pulling stuff out of brand tags and being all "it's totally otahime!"
anon, that happened once with a blouse that looked similar to the ones in the "otahime" diagrams. it's really okay and there's nothing wrong with posting relevant clothing on a clothing-oriented board.

i understand you don't love what you're seeing, and neither do i, but shouting into the abyss that is /cgl/ won't change anything.

>>9234261
I jus find it really amusing that someone mentioned a term in Japan for a certain look, offered humorous descriptions of it, gulls tried to wrap our mind around it for funsies and somehow someone still manages to scream about it.

seriously dude, go read a glb if it gets your panties that much in a twist.

>>9234254
Maybe... cause this thread started out fun.

>>9234252
i grabbed a pic off google. sue me

They might as well be the same brand now anyway under TKL.

>>9234254
Honestly I think someone's trying to ruin this. This concept is funny as hell.

>>9234257
Then don't click on those threads? Ignore it?
This style seems hilarious and connects with a lot of gulls' teenhood and/or present.

>>9234231
That 'middle ground' is just casual fashion. Not a specific style.

>>9234264
I do actually like the style, but I like the slight "offness" of some of the outfits posted here. Other outfits have a level of refinement that is more in line with other styles.

And tumblr has taken plenty of cues from cgl before. Uchuu kei for one, and Larme wasn't nearly as popular before there's started to be regular threads about it here. Tumblrinas love to say they don't go here but otahime will pop up soon there and it won't be cute.

>>9234265
Again. I do like it. But this looks like it's going to turn into "everything that doesn't have perfect hair and makeup" kei.

>>9234276
So are casual and otahime the same thing now? I'm starting to miss the old, "we don't care about labels" casual threads we had in the past.

>>9234257
>people having a fun time laughing at themselves and some nerd stereotypes
>gulls sharing their otaku woes
>hilarious translations from Japan to lighten the mood
>you're not taking this seriously enough

you are correct, anon. none of us are taking this seriously except you.

>>9234277
the two gulls who posted seem to have an okay grasp on it. if that's any indicator of how it goes, i really wouldn't worry about it too much. tumblr fucks everything up anyway, so why even consider that? the lolita related tags can be atrocious, but do we worry about that?

>>9234095
My first thought was "I'm not like other girls who watch anime ;^)"

Like those chicks on youtube that think they're cool for playing men's eroge games

>>9234282
You're probably right. This already look so bit like tumblr fashion with the animal thigh highs and such so it might not make much difference, other than giving them another tag to congregate to

>>9234283
This style is basically what Japanese girls wear in dancing videos.

>>9234231
>Fuck this board (and western jfashion comms in general) loves to shoehorn anything they can into a new style!!! It's so embarrassing.
Does anyone else remember the cringfest that was the pajama-kei threads?

>>9234285
I've noticed this. Just many of the odem-dancers are way cuter.

>>9234286
It was nice in theory. Everyone wearing cute shit and having sleepovers...

>>9234270
I'm just saying your comment + the picture was a little misleading. It's like if I posted a picture of Barney and said "this is a stegosaurus!". Like it's kind of related but wrong. Tralala is a dead brand. But anyway, I agree that this might be the kind of girl who would wear clothes from Tralala. It's casual and can be slightly unkept.

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>>9234285
>>9234288

For example, girl dancing in tralala sailor moon collab.

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>>9234294
Calm down. This is a fun thread.

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>>9234297
These outfits look like amavel but I'm not sure.

>>9234297
>>9234301
On another note, the backgrounds these dancers choose are usually so gorgeous. Do they rent out rooms when they're indoors or do you guys think they're public spaces and they just work around other people?
I know Aoi rents his places but CiaoCiao doesn't so perhaps its personal preference.

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>>9234304
Not sure. I know some geeenscreen themselves in.

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Amavel everywhere.

>>9234146
What's the story of her biting people?

>>9234312
It's her demon idol thing, If a fan asks her to bite him then she might do it. I saw a picture over on /jp/ and she broke skin on one guy. She also gets them to bow down and she'll walk over their backs.

In a way she is princess of the nerds, lol

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>>9234317
>google
>http://www.homicidols.com/pikarin-bow-down/

>>9234322
I kind of like the kawaii death metal combo, but that girl seems weird as fuck. like that poor girl she's surprise fingering at the bottom? wtf??

>>9234331
It's all consenual, but pikarin wasn't always this wild. She used to wear gyaru style, transitioned into an akiba style then a rokku style and from there what she is now. I think she's always been a bit weird though...cute but weird

>>9234317
Pikarin has also starred in a racist makeup tutorial in which she tries to look like a black person. Bitch is cray.

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>>9233621
>Japan has awful anime fans who collect beta orbiters too
>its exactly the same over there

I love this. we can have mutual hate for this type of person worldwide. this is beautiful

>>9234334
>物販中手を繋げる機会が沢山あってキュンとしました。怒ってたわけじゃないよ!
My Japanese is shit, but it sounds like it wasn't a case of planned and agreed upon sticking hand up skirt?

>>9234339
What the fuck.
Where is this video, anon?

>>9234345
https://youtu.be/P1qz-YqSEhQ

inb4 her fans try and defend this. It is literally a video in which she significantly darkens her skin to look like an actual black person.

>>9234343
Oh shit, nevermind then. If that's the case..not cool, I assumed if was consenual because of the biting and bowing stuff. My bad.

>>9234339
Jesus, maybe we shouldn't discuss her then? I've only followed her through popteen and twitter. That's disappointing

>>9234347
What the hell? Can't people just have an inspired makeup WITHOUT doing dumb shit like changing their skin color?

People are stupid all over the world, jesus.

>>9234353
Seriously, this video wouldn't be an issue had she not darkened her skin by 10x.

>>9234339
>>9234347

I thought anon was lying. I was wrong.

>>9234355
Seriously. She doesn't even look Nicki - much less black - she just looks dirty. I swear, there needs to be designated people around to slap the shit outta you when you come up with stupid ideas.

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>>9234347

>>9234347
Fuck this is terrible, my apologies for even posting her gulls. I had no idea about this, I feel bad.

>>9234362
It's fine, this way more people can be educated about her. She's a crazy bitch.

>>9234347
Because people in Japan don't care about blackface in the first place, they don't see it as racist over there.

>>9233584
I am cringing because I would tick most of these off based on the time I was in college, minus the cat knee-highs.

>>9234370
KAWAII PATEEN, the company who got her to do this tutorial, is supposed to be targeting people from around the word to educate them on Japanese fashion. There are multiple gaijin involved in the production, there is absolutely no excuse.

If they really thought it was okay, they wouldn't have had to issue a public apology on the video trying to defend it.

>>9234370
Doesn't matter. They don't live in a tiny bubble and theres a reason people around the world - aside from the edgelords and dumbasses - do not do it.

>>9234347
>>9234339
Oh, it's that SJW anon again that likes to forget to mention that the models in the Kawaii Pateen videos don't have any choice in the content of the tutorials they get paid for to make. If anyone is racist it is the staff and not her besides that this kind of stuff isn't seen as racist in Japan in the first place.

>>9234370
What did I tell you? Her fans come flocking to defend this shit. If she was a white girl everyone would be pissing themselves in anger, but because she's ~Japanese~ her fans suckle on her asshole and defend her blatant insanity.

>>9234374
>If they really thought it was okay, they wouldn't have had to issue a public apology on the video trying to defend it.
There is no apology anywhere and even if, they would have taken the video down if they would care.

>>9234377
>bites people
>randomly sticks her hand up fans skirts without permission
>does racist videos
>people flock to defend her

Maybe if you whiteknight hard enough she'll let you sniff her used pantyliner?

>>9234379
The top comment from where I can see it is them saying they are sorry if anyone was offended, and that because they are in ~Japan~ it can't be racist, we just don't know their culture.

but when you look at the situation it is a non black person darkening their skin SPECIFICALLY to look like a black person, I don't know how you can defend that.

>>9234379
>>9234380
Someone got their panties in a twist.

>>9234379
KAWAII PATEEN6 months ago (edited)
Dearest viewers,
- We regret to hear that parts of the content of this video may have been taken to be offensive to some people.
- We would like to clarify that there was, as always, no intention to mock or hurt people of any ethnicity or culture.
- The creation of quality, original content is our priority. We continue to appreciate your opinion, and always consider it valuable when planning new videos.

You didn't even look. Its the first comment.

>>9234382
Said the person whiteknighting the staff.

>>9234377
while it's not as big of a deal as it is in the US, at least the people i associated with while i was living in japan knew that "blackface" isn't okay. i think that people are a little bit more lenient because styles like ganguro and gyaru are partial to being very very tan. however, don't make up excuses for us because we don't need them. don't defend us unless you're japanese yourself and have any real input. ignorance is ignorance and i'm ashamed that this kind of shit came from my home country.

>>9234384
Literally every time I try and call her out as a racist this person comes in bitching about how she's Japanese so she can't possibly be racist because Japanese people don't see her as racist.

I'm half Japanese and I've lived in Japan, and I think she's racist. What now?

>>9234385
I'm not white knighting KPs staff, they're to blame too. You're an idiot.

This thread got worse than I could have imagined, thank you for being you cgl.

anyways

what's it like having orbiters

>>9234389
Seriously. This always gets me. Anytime a Japanese person does something wrong, everyone pulls out the kid gloves like "the poor poor people over there didn't know any better and its okay because its a different world over there~!"
As if the internet doesn't exist, as if they don't talk to people who have been other places or met foreigners that explain different things. Its ridiculous.

I've been over there as well and I got so many questions about things like this, its obvious they're not stupid over there.
"Why is it like this?" "Why do people not do that?" "Whats it like looking like you?" Even things like "Is tanning bad there?" "Would gyaru be bad there?"

>>9234393
It's because they are weebs and want to believe Japan is some fairytale land where the girls piss ramune. I will be the first person to raise my hand and argue against that EVERY time it comes up here.

Japan isn't some perfect land, it never has and never will be that. What Pikarin did is racist, not only by tumblr standards. She literally put on black face. Anyone in their right mind would see the problem with it.

The only people who would defend that are

1. racist
2. mentally challenged
3. Pikarin's weird fans who are also mentally challenged and would die to suck on her used tampon

Oh jeez, you see some Japanese people making memes on twitter then assume it's something significant. This would be like if Japan tried making a thing out of our memes about "gamer gurls!" and calling it "Gaming-Princess American Street Fashion!" Get your noses out of Japan's asshole already.

>>9234393
>>9234397
japanese and agree. it pisses me off that people treat the japanese like they're stupid and "just don't know any better." we were isolationists before, not now. most of us know what the hell is going on and there's no excuse for that blackface shit. ignorance isn't an excuse anymore.

weebs, stop defending us for this shit.

RIP this thread

Welp, it was nice while it lasted.
If anyone plans to make another otahime thread I'll gladly dump all the "diagrams" and some outfit snaps so we can start over.

Lemme just say, that this is one of the best threads ive seen in cgl in a while. I laughed so hard

>Pikarin is an irl otasa-no-hime
>We're fighting over her
D...Did we just go full circle and become the otasa??

>>9234424
Pikarin is an irl nutjob*

>>9234428
Ok she's both, point still stands.

>>9234424
calling her out on weird racist and sexual shit does not=fighting over her

but you know that, i'm sure

>>9234430
>>9234428
Who is this austist sperglord who cannot let this thread be funny?

>>9234433
>thinking it's just one person

are you new

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There's even an otasa no hime eroge, complete with cat stockings.

https://vndb.org/v17421

>>9234148
You forgot "I want to die"

>>9233559
>surround yourself with ugly nerds to improve your apparent attractiveness
Essentially what /cgl/ of 4chan is.

>>9234433
There are at least a few people who have expressed disliking for her in this thread, especially after the racist video was brought up

>>9234445
Actually such tactics work with everyone.

It's proven scientifically that people are interpreted as more attractive in an group than alone. If you take a bunch of otherwise plain girls and group them together, they appear attractive as a group.

It doesn't work with a bunch of slobs.

So if you took OP's girl, and got a bunch of other girls on the same level, and grouped them all together for a photo.

All the girls would be remembered as hotter than they actually are. It's weird.

>>9234477
>>9234471
True. Anecdotal, but I have a photo of myself with a bunch of girls and I remember that was the most comments I ever got on looks.

Probably because I looked more confident having a photo taken with a bunch of kinda bitchy looking girls

>>9233766
Holy cow, Japan anon wasn't kidding about the shitty baggy clothes.

>>9234347
Without Nikki Manaj in the title it just looks like old gyaru

>>9234499
That doesn't change the fact she is doing a makeup tutorial on how to look like a black person in which she darkens her skin significantly.

>>9233779
we might as well call those legbeards.

>>9234503
That's cringy.

>>9234499
There are gyaru who seek to emulate fashion featured in beauty magazines that cater towards blacks and R&B fashion. (I don't actually know if this has any following anymore.)

There's also the darker tanned girls and ganguro.

However, those people make a commitment to those colors? It's part of their everyday image. It's a part of their identity.

In this idol's case, she's doing blackface. She's just trying to look like a black person for the purpose of a video. It's for novelty.

Emulating someone's skin color for novelty is pretty racist.

I guess I'm saying what it looks like doesn't matter, it's why they did it.

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> Am I kawaii senpai uguu~

>>9234509
You look absolutely adorable, ~hime sama~

I love the small touches of pink!

>>9234509
Looks like you got the chubby part down better than the other anon did.

>>9234517
Yeah I'm actually pretty close to those measurements in the checklist of this >>9233579

>>9234517
the one time being called chubs on /cgl/ is a compliment

at least, i think it might be a compliment

This looks like something that Yumi King will wear or has worn... possible otahime queen?

>>9234509
This is perfect, you got that frumpy-but-cuteish look down. I think it's important not to make it too glamorous.

>>9234347
Excuse-me, but i fail to see how it's racist to use make up to darken your skin in order to look like a black celeb.
I can understand the fact that the result is terrible make it offensive in a way, but it's not like she was doing an actually racist caricature of black people with make-up (with really dark skin and red lips).

If she hadn't written "Nikki Minaj", like anon >>9234499 said, no one will accuse her of anything offensive.

Or maybe it's about what this anon >>9234508 said?

I'm not american, so this "blackface" thing is not something i'm used to recognize as racist.

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Did I do it right, s-senpai?

>>9234635
Looks good to me, anon!

>>9234635
Tomoko Kuroki-tier


That's a compliment.

Just imagine when weebs on tumblr catch on this term. They will finally have the perfect fashion: cute, nerdy, frumpy and even called "princess".

>>9234635
Perfect hime-sama.

>>9234635
trap-chan desu

>>9234509
T H I C C

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>topic autosages within first 24 hours of being made
>fights break out over the definition of the look
>gets derailed by completely different issue
>plenty of selfpost content

Well I'd say this was a complete success!

>>9234317
>>9234322
lol I didn't knew Pikarin was such a dom/sadist. But I guess she appeals to quite a crowd then, since a lot of male otaku seem like such subs/masochists to be honest.

>>9234435
Why do eroges always have this unappealing art style? Even if I were to dress otahime, I could never get into that.

>>9234685
lol agreed

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>>9234349
>maybe we shouldn't discuss her then?

Self-censorship now? Do you realize where you are?

>>9234347
>>9234361
>>9234362
>>9234500

Why the fuck are people suddenly acting like ganguro/manba has never existed? Are you all fainting on your couches? She's barely tanned herself light brown in the video.

>>9234504
The type who is as unkempt as a male neckbeard is probably not shaving or waxing.

>>9234743
>>9234508

>>9234128
>>9234509
>>9234635
These are nice!