Odottemita/Dance Group Thread

Any dance recommendations? I currently know Start Dash, Happy Happy Morning, Mune Mune Kyun, Renai Circulation, Gigantic O.T.N., Love & Joy, Love X Love Whistle, and all the Haruhi ones

>>9227374
I recommend Idolm@ster cinderella girls! Dances are cute or cool based on the idols who perform them.

The only thing worth going to at the recent Halloween Expo, for the pay for part, the only thing that had an audience in the theatre was the Sigma Omega performance

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIsn_7s5CQhcex15XMFH6H_z3Ccpk8fGL

>>9229561
>cute girls
>pretty good dancing
Wow this is group and audience goals. Where does Halloween Expo take place? Unless it's out of the US, I've never seen such an engaging wotagei crowd at a cosplay/odottemita idol performance.

>>9229575

Vancouver.

>>9229575
>That too-small indoor stage

That's so sad, it would have been more impressive if they'd had enough space.

Berry Risa finally uploaded a cover and I couldn't be happier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81H2rO0EXHY

>>9229647

Said event was held at a university campus. It was mostly a flop apart from the wotagei events due to rain and last year being an utter disappointment and disjointed mess

>>9230258
I may not go to this con, but I might try to attend a Vancouver convention to get a first had experience of the idol/wotagei crowd. It will be super easy for me since I will be moving to Seattle soon.

On that note, where are the best conventions for odottemita performances and idol/wotagei culture? My state recently had its first idol festival at a convention. What is it like where you are located?

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How many want to bet Hoshi either forced her way to perform or did some shitty hallway performance? I heard the Japan Night event was 21+ only and she got rejected entrance

>>9230934

Great to see an Odottemita fan, Sakuracon had a Cover Dance show qt the garden this year.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=0ahUKEwiRlvzB_vHPAhUC1mMKHSbFBAYQwqsBCCAwAA&usg=AFQjCNF1sHlk2z9QIx28jtvfnGP_UlkifA&sig2=8cEKfP53SV4OtHmtMp1yLQ

Here in Van we got five groups.

EPS infinity, which is a high school club which covers LL.

Van48, akb cover dances

Sigma Omega, also LL. Seen in the video

Natsu Heroes: Also Love Live

And Zeus! They will be at Nihon Expo coming november. Small con though and I haven seen them dance yet.

unfortunately if you want im@s or Aikatsu you are gonna be sol. LL is the only idol series to be given proper attention

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw3FHU_pDvs tis the season. currently learning this one

>>9231438
Holy crap this right up my alley.

>tfw used to be a Eurobeat/ParaPara addict and stopped when it fell out of style
Maybe I should get back into this and Kpop routines for exercise..

>>9231438
I really like choreography Penta did in her version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHLTXhimYao

>>9231264
Never heard of this girl before and I need some drama.
Sauce?

>>9231530
Hoshi is a underage aidoru wanna-be who has countless failed net-idol and real life idol groups, makes gofundme campaigns with zero success (and pretty sure with zero knowledge of her parents knowing), and is overall delusional about being an idol. She will ask for concrit but will delete actual concrit and keep comments that praise her un-existent singing and dancing skills. Overall cringy aidoru girl who surprisingly hasn't become a lolcow yet.

Theres a a whole lot more to her drama that I dont want to type out but read up the archives to find out more.

>>9231474
That's what I do, I learn them for exercise.

>>9231296

I mean to use this one

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwl0U1IRHCw

>>9231552
I give them an A for effort but this is really shitty. I hope they get more opportunities to practice or cut the girls that live so far. Distance is a really shitty excuse for limited group practice.

>>9231438
Ririri re-danced Happy Halloween!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HZ11n_gF8Q

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>>9231474
This anon here. I'm not entirely sure where to start getting into this. I've subscribed to a few people listed here already but looking for more!

Looking for not overly complicated stuff to start out with. Just stuff to exercise to. If anyone knows dancers who sort of go over the steps before launching into it, I'd be so happy.

>>9231552
None of them are smiling. They all look like they hate being there. No energy.

>>9232387
>>9231586

I have to agree on that, they simply lack the energy and spirit to pull it off. Needs a lot of work.

Here is Zeus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOkVK0K1y0s

>>9232403
Same quality as >>9231438 but high quality cosplay ans cute girls that compensates to a point. They fluctuate a lot with their quality of dance and I was left confused by the middle of the performance.

>>9232403
Another group that looks unhappy and unenergetic. Why choose Love Live if you aren't going to put the right spark into it? The girls are cute though.

>>9232548

Accessibility. You know how hard is it to get into Im@s and Aikatsu?

>>9231296
Well to be honest, as much as I love Aikatsu the dances suck. Half are catwalks and the rest are super easy plain looking dances. Even the characters who are supposed to be super good in dancing do boring dances (like S4 girl in aikatsu stars recently)... There might be some exceptions like Rin but I don't think there are much.

I really like Juliane from NovaDrop. Her singing might be weak, but she has nice stage movement and dancing. Does anyone else like a certain member of a group they follow? Why do you like them?

https://youtu.be/4X3IUCgsbSo

Cringe rose is somehow going to MCM. Place your bets now.

https://youtu.be/L5t_Scj-yS8

>>9232968
Are you serious? I hear so much bad shit about her.
I admire her dedication but she's a pretty shitty person and her group is super lacking.

>>9234046
I wasn't really talking about her as a person but more her technique and stage presence. I don't know her as a person.

>>9232968
I'm not a specialist but singing will dancing always seem to be a bad idea

So what do you see as most important for in an odottemita group? Thinking about next year's idol dance cover competition and wanted a professional critics that isn't based on just dancing what's popular.

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>>9235116
Individually, I look for confident dancers who practice, look like they know what their doing and express emotion based parts of the song and/or dance.

Group wise, I want to see if everyone is in unison, can flow to their positions, and overall can work together during the performance if that makes sense.

Groups are really a hit or miss based on those factors. I would say focus on group and individual practice based around all these factors listed above. Group practice is just as important as individual practice so find a balance and find weak points in yourself and your group members early on. Don't be afraid to give and recieve concrit and be sure the members can take and give concrit.

Good luck, anon! Be sure to tell us the results!

Post more Halloween covers!

https://youtu.be/4MF3mFRVW3A

>>9235116
I agree with this anon >>9235139! In addition, pick a dance that is in your skill range and do it properly: A dance with perfect sync and energy vs a too challenging dance done halfheartedly. Remember to have fun and good luck!

>>9235139
Source on that qt? She looks adorable!

>>9235181
https://youtu.be/mfSFqVyc56c

>>9232968
Dancing/singing aside, she looks awful. The clothes look frumpy, her hair is shit, and she looks like a 45 yo.
If she'd worn something brighter/more fitting to the characters it would have been so much better.

>>9229561
I am living for the wotagei chants in these

>>9230231
This looks so clean and perfect as usual

>>9235679
the one in the white is so stiff. It doesn't help that the dance was originally from a group with 6 people so it makes it look super messy when only 2 are dancing.

This is probably one of my favorite dance groups

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSlNZZpKLw8

>>9237514
Oh gosh this is cute. The outfits, no one with stupid hair, everyone looks energetic and on time. The transitions are great.
Here is the kicker...are any of them crazy? Cause this seems to good to be true.

>>9232193
Try playing the YouTube videos at half speed as well while you're going over the steps.

Who is ready for the Christmas covers?

>>9237514
I love this??? Finally a group that's perfect!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tUhjijUa-I

>>9235116
Don't try to look cutesy, don't wear too-tight clothes, and practice like mad. If you're doing a cutesy dance try to smile naturally instead of doing kawaii uguu faces, because that will make you look like a constipated frog.

Be cheerful and energetic when dancing, and know the dance inside out. Dance in front of a mirror so you can practice the bits that make you feel like an idiot.

If you're going to be in a competition, make sure your makeup and costumes are easy to dance in and won't get smudged and sweaty. If you can't move, you're not going to have a chance at winning no matter how epic your costume is. Also, go for fresh-faced natural makeup instead of the Nigri look, and bake it on. It'll last forever and you won't have to worry about your face melting off.

Sorry if this sounds obvious,but way too many people make the same stupid mistakes on stage.

tfw never gonna find a group for this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu8MC8XDAEg

>>9237514
This is so crazy gooooooood

Their movements are all so tightly in sync and the choreography is exciting and flows well. Every member is cheerfully bouncy and selling the performance. Even the silly pantomime bits work great.
>dat idol handshake
>dat rpg battle

>>9242788
>>9230231
These renew my hopes for western dance groups

>>9231264
She, now known as Hibiki, got into some AKB wannabe group now. USA50 is the name, loks cringeworthy already.

I expect usa50 to fail miserably and seeing as only five people passed it's already set in stone it will

>>9246248
I was told only 5 people auditioned anyways. Net idol community sees USA50 as a joke in all honesty. I heard Hoshi/Hibiki gave the creator of the group a sob story and that's how she passed. The creator is also very delusional and already has had drama within the management part of the group. She wants everyone apart of the project (member and staff) to stay 100% dedicated and make USA50 their full-time job like she has. Also mind you that the creator also had a newborn child. How is she buying all this AKB merch, putting money toward the group, and taking care of her children?? It just doesn't add up and it's concerning that she probably isn't even taking care of her kid.

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>when you really want to start a group instead of dancing by yourself like a loser but none of your friends are into J-pop much less dancing

>>9245928
>>9246248
>>9247132
Pls post more USA50 updates

>>9247151
Same feeling for that and Kpop.

Everyone have tips on how to become for synch ? Like, we count time for everymove, but it's inside the movement itself that we are not completly synch. It's like if we don't take all the same exact time in space, or we don't, for example do the move at the same height with our arms. ( it's kinda hard to explain ). But, yeah. We don't have the money to hire a coach so I wonder if you had tips or tricks ~

>>9249061
Practice in front of a mirror together. Agree on how high up you bring your arms/legs/etc. for a move. And then practice. A lot. There's really not much more to it

>>9249061
Focus more on group practice if you are having trouble synching up. It's honestly takes a lot of group practice and there's no special trick except taking it slow and agreeing on how everyone moved.

>>9249061
Learning the choreography together instead of each one by themselves also helps a lot... I've tried different methods with the dance groups I was in and this one as the best... you learn the same steps, the same way and at the same time. And also as always... practice, practice and practice

Another Berry cover!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMfZMG-w_S4

>>9250224
ahh this brings back memories of when i met her in Houston during AM to see Morning Musume 16'. I'm so glad she is uploading covers more frequently.

>>9243824
Why would you even want to?

with the holidays coming up, anyone have any favorite themed dances?

So there's this event that's been around for a while here in FL called Kira Kira Pop and was wondering how it was? I couldn't attend but they bring idol acts and dance groups to their shows.

>>9244007

The group is from Finland, and the girls in the duet are also in the same group. They are called Hitode Army, and consist of Nani, Petra, Neido, Noora, and Vimppu

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>>9255825

>>9247902
Group is up to 8 members now after adding some new members already. Some of the members really need better pictures though. Maybe it'll get better.

>>9255760
I'm curious how it went as well, all I know of it is that Paida performed and she's pretty good if her song choices are actually within her range.

>>9256630
Did they already select those? Didn't they just pass 1st audition round and continue to 2nd round

>>9256874
They're just who passed the first round. They have to prove themselves worthy of being in the group

>>9257166
I like that they have to prove themselves worthy to join the group. Every group audition process should do what they are doing with their audition process.

>>9257269
I really think most of them made it into the group because they got so little auditions. "Hibiki" made it past the first round and everyone knows how bad she is.

I don't really get USA50's purpose? They require english songs so are they only going to do english music? Will they cover popular japanese songs or will they create their own like Oishii Project or 4te? I've been looking into them but I really don't get what they're aiming to do with all of this besides the AKB spinoff which never goes well.

>>9257439
There main goal in the beginning was to get noticed by Aki-P and make them a official sister group. Thankfully someone bitched them out about it bringing up Hibiki's NYC48, how it failed miserably, that there will be potential legal actions taken against them if they continue, and finally, that idol culture will NEVER work in the mainstream US music scene. There still aiming to be an (shitty) idol group but ~tried~ to distance themselves away from the 48 concept. The creator is delusional. I can't wait to see this fail. She even admits to being unhappy with the talent, especially Hibiki.

>>9257685
Besides the obvious idol culture just not working here in the US, I think the problem is they don't have proper credentials or past experiences and yet they expect talented people to come out and go through months of an audition process to be in a mediocre group. Oishii Project had Becki Cruel (despite what negatives people could say about her, she's gone way farther than any of these net-idols wish they could go). 4te has Oishii Project veterans and a management that has participated in successful groups in the past like Pinku Project. If they had experience like that it could be a different story.

>>9257685
Where did she admit to being unhappy with the talent, out of curiosity? Do you know her personally or does she have a blog or something?

>>9257685
None of those are Hibiki's group (NYC and AME), she just happens to be the most delusional and most promotive person.

>>9257839
I've seen other posts about what would be insider info and either that anon is in the group, they're the person running it, they're staff, or someone within the group has told them this. Cause this isn't just "public knowledge"

>>9257793
You're right that none have credentials. Would argue that the members don't need them (know how many actually idols come from absolutely nowhere?). But for the person running it, that's really
Important. She literally just popped up.

>>9257910
I honestly thought the creator was just a oldfag weeb going through a midlife crisis and happened to find AKB48. She really did pop out of nowhere and made all this her priority. I still worry that she is putting more effort into USA50, 48O, and buying AKB merchandise than taking care of her two kids.

If we're talking about Hibiki rn, can someone link me to any of her videos so I can see for myself how she is?

>>9258007
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8nP7wOyEaJGDzN6OJTp-ZA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxYJBDjNyBc

>>9257966
That's because it looks like she is. If you're gonna put all you shit in one basket at least make it something worth while. I don't know who's worse; her or the girl from flusay

>>9258232
she got through with that audition? odd
I've never actually heard her sing until now and i kind of wish i hadn't

>>9258232
I just internally vomited. Thank you

>>9258232
Every time i doubt my ability to sing or dance, I look back at Hoshi/Hibiki and thank every religious and mythological figure I am not her.

>>9258629
Can you link me to any of her dancing vids?

>>9258232
If anyone got her cringe performance at that one café I'd be eternally thankful

>>9258983
>>9259000

She removed them all. This is all that's left unless someone else has copies or recorded her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62QKEugAuwk

>>9259000
That was cringy as all hell. Literally the worst dance cover I've ever seen of Luka Luka Night Fever in all my life

>>9259054
That video makes me wonder why they try. 11:11 like to dislike ratio. Damn

>>9239414
I actually know these girls so my opinion might be biased, but none of them are crazy, they're all pretty sweet.

What do people think of heavy-set/overweight dancers? Are there any overweight dancers you like?

>>9263247
Why watch gross fatties when you can watch cute japanese people do the exact same dance?

Why don't we post more good dances instead of bad ones?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95s2sAZzweo

>>9263247
I think there was one earlier in this thread that danced well. Don't remember which.

>>9263250
Why insult some perfectly healthy people when you dismiss some probably unhealthy people?

>>9263247
It's encouraging, if they are having fun and feel supported they are more likely to continue dancing and hopefully taking care of themselves. It is a great exercise after all!

>>9263588
It's really not, unless you dance without stopping for a half-hour straight.

>>9263592

That's how you improve anyway, though

I've been looking at dance groups outside the states and europe. Does anyone have any favorite dance groups that are in other asian countries?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHUr509OSBc

>>9263592
Any activity involving lots of movement is great exercise if you do it for half an hour straight. But it's still exercise if you do it regularly. Doing five push-ups isn't exercise is it?

>>9265157
But it's fun too! Meaning one might be more inspired to stick with it than by doing pushups.

What are some of your favorite christmas themed dances?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNDu4w6c7-I

>>9255760
>>9256661

Here is a vlog from the Florida party. They had some idol girls and some DJ's. It looks pretty cool imo

https://youtu.be/jCk74tk-yzE

>>9268690
This is the perfect example of a group that is trying to do something way out of their skill level and as a result they are failing horribly.

>>9268690
The only one even close to decent (it'd be stretching to say good) is Julee (pink).

They performed it again a few months later and I think a lot more of the dance moves are in sync - although I think there could still be more energy and better facial expressions while performing. All that tells me is that putting on a good performance is really, really hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YocA7SU1EHw

>>9270867
Still not good. Self post?

>>9270867
This is awful as their moves are so sloppy and out of sync, especially on their turns. It is also very awkward to watch as they are trying so hard to be sexy. The fat girl is especially bad.

>>9270888

Nope! They're just in my area so I'm interested in hearing what people think of them.

>>9270867
For a simple dance like this one it really could have been more in sync. If they did the other more difficult choreo to that song I'd get it. The energy isn't there either, don't half do a dance move, finish what you start!

time for some classic cringe. i cant choose a video so ill just link the channel.

https://www.youtube.com/user/flugelmations/videos

>>9271882
I started with the Brainstorming cover. Practice just doesn't seem to be a concept here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfKk2I3G2S0

>>9270911
I don't know what plant you live on but out of them all the fat girl did better than the others. I will never understand why 4ch hates 'fatties' even when they're close to decent.

>>9271882
>>9272038
Nanami is so horrible she should just give up.

>>9272041
So I'm guessing your the fat one in the group?

>>9272042
I tried giving her a chance but the fact that she's always staring at her other screen to see the dance moves irk me to no end.

>>9268690
They needed more practice in front of a mirror.

>>9269672
I had DJ friends who were there.

>>9269672
ohey. Speaking of. I know that DJ! I operated his video feed for him at a rave once

>>9272350
Not a chance as I'm not even white. But if you really think she's the worst out them all then there's problems because I could point out at least two worse then her in that group.

>>9272565
I'd agree desu. Two of them looked completely lost at times. I'd say she had the dance down the most.

Doesn't mean it was good though.

Amaitsuki amazes me again! I just wish Melody was a better dancer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7xMzcSgHFs

>>9273535
Considering they're dancing in the rain, pretty darn decent

>>9273535
>>9273683
What're you two talking about, they were out of sync and the movement was so loose and sloppy. They look like children jumping around. I've seen worse, but I wouldn't even call this decent

I miss danceroid group covers :/ Many were good but they also supplied some cringe moments.

https://youtu.be/Gkp-GL2frVs
https://youtu.be/dCdcQhkPj1s
https://youtu.be/dKT7j62fXZE

And my fave cringe:
https://youtu.be/hMX8DWol6vQ

>>9274220
that's why i said decent, I've definitely seen a lot worse haha

>>9274220
Then you try it.

>>9274337
Danceroid was and is (referring to Q'ulle but they're an actual group) one of the best dance groups ever. It saddens me to see their stuff ruined.

>>9274337
the first one their skirts are entirely too short >< it's a bit tasteless
I like the baby manics cover, they all seem to know what were doing minus sync errors

The SNW one.....I mean they're good dancers but um- too much.

>>9274537
I would love to see more nice quality Q'ulle covers, their dances are always entertaining

>>9274541
I agree with Baby Maniacs. And I'm not sure if the girls in that one are still in the group but their most recent stuff isn't too bad.

>>9274541
I know one of the girls in the first one. She complained that their leader refused to really do anything about the sizing (all ordered the one size fit all deal). I feel bad for the taller girls.

>>9274800
that really does suck, I personally would not have felt comfortable in something that doesn't fit well.

>>9274800
I remember some one posting on their tumblr telling them to wear longer skirts and practice more. the leader retaliated less than gracefully to the critisim

>>9275088
link to her tumblr? i wanna find that post

>>9275122
http://sugarpinkcafe.tumblr.com

Gotta go back a bit though.

Does anyone have a link to that cute little asian girl doing the dance to the Yo Kai watch song? The child dancer.

>>9275663
That is a vague statement......

>>9275663
ririri?

>>9275663
Sounds like you're talking about Ririri!
The video of her dancing to Yokai Watch is over 2 years old though.
https://youtu.be/pKWiV8ZI1OE

Enjoy some cute maids dancing
https://youtu.be/85DP-__Uv9E
https://youtu.be/1UwXM_VwSm4

>>9276207
Thank you!

What are your opinoins on what would make a good setlist for a performance? Would it be better to include a variety of themes, or stick to a certain theme, for example "space" or "halloween"

>>9277421
In my opinion, it honestly depends on the group as well as where and when they are performing. If they're performing on a holiday like Halloween or Christmas, then the set list should be all or mostly about that holiday. If it's a themed show go with the theme. If it's a general con/performance, the setlist should show their talent but within their limits. If they can do a cute dance and do a rock-type dance just as well, do both. If you can only do one then stick to that especially if you've never practiced it before or performed it before.

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>>9275158
If you just filter so only asks show its like the first post. They're delusional if they really see no issue with doing one size fits all when half the girls are fatties. The video looks like some are wearing diapers thanks to the white tights.

>>9277623
That's such a bullshit response. For one, they knew yet did nothing. For two, they're a fucking maid cafe it doesn't matter if you were a dance team at the moment. Honestly they do give a bad name to maid cafes.

Can someone explain to me what classifies as a fattie? I see it thrown around for people who would and wouldn't be fat and it's confusing.

https://youtu.be/CtsWVWOT0aw

While neither of them are amazing/good, I feel bad for Hollie because wow she has potential and it is being wasted and she's paired with Nanami which is just horrible. And that auto tune holy fuck.

>>9277731
After meeting their head person at a con, I venture to guess she has power trips. She seems to degrade the ones thinner cuter or more talented and seeing this makes me roll my eyes as to how they could be taken seriously. Their dance uniforms hardly ever look put together as a team.
Head girl in the cotton candy wig:
https://youtu.be/KHnCZBpVoLs

>>9277915
Wow. And again with the short skirts. Her ass is basically hanging out more than the others. I also couldn't help but notice her tights too... Maybe she shouldn't lead.

>>9277935
Half of what you see there quit or moved on so yeah. I would think the more put together ones or more skilled would be lead.
Seems like a problem group US groups.

>>9277952
*in US

>>9277623
>>9277731
even if they were just a dance team they as a leader she should care about how her members are looking.

>>9277782
the heck did i just watch-
Hollie was a better dancer but they both need not to not sing again. Especially with tragic autotune.

>>9277915
the black tights makes it more tolerable, but again the too short skirt is a bad look. In positive news I find the girl with orange paws to be the cutest of them all aw

>>9277915
Also met the head person at a con. She claims to be trained as a real dancer but after seeing these videos, no. Just no.

>>9277623
why did she refer to sexual harassment in japanese.... ...

>>9278334
The head will often use Japanese cause she is fluent and " practically Japanese."

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>>9278003
The following performance year at the Japanese festival...still didn't heed the warning about short skirts. You can't do one size fits all for dance covers all the time.

>>9277734
See >>9278345 and you decide.

>>9278364
I know which ones would be considered fat (like second from right and the obvious center) but then even others would be called fat that aren't and that's what makes it confusing.

>>9278401
They're definitely a couple sizes up from the rest of the girls, but they don't look fat really..chubby at most. I think the unflattering dance outfits aren't doing them any favors, with properly sized clothing they'd all look pretty good.

>>9278434
agreed, actual clothes that fit would make a world of difference

>>9278345
I don't have a problem with bloomers. Hitode Army wears cute shorts under their uniforms. I think it is if it looks well put together.

>>9278342
ugh

>>9278342
I never thought I'd see a pinku bento box in real life.

for some positives, I love this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8VYQB4WfLI

I would love to see covers of this, but then again I don't want the dance to be butchered-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcdG4rqzUSI

Im starting notice that western and specifically predominantly/all white composed American groups take zero care into what they do. Like watching Japanese or Chinese or Korean dancers dance to Japanese or Chinese or Korean songs and watching many/most non-whites dancing to the same songs by comparison, most whites seem to not give any shits to even they screw up or if they get criticism or if something is just wrong and that's really bad. I don't mean that to be degrading but look at Crystal Rose's UK unit. If you order them best to worst, most likely who is at the very bottom?

>>9280247
(Continuing on my own statement) Or at least they care less about being cringey (in a bad way). Because they don't practice enough.

>>9280247

Who?

>>9280286
Holly with the Asian girl either on par with her or just above.

>>9280286
Not that anon, but this is Crystal Rose:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1irat-im1ho

>>9280553
They also have a more recent one without the other white girl.

>>9280553

Pink and red suck. Also the strap coming off one of the girls should tip off about having dress rehearsals to troubleshoot shit like that.

>>9280247
It's not just Crystal Rose that are shit but pretty much the whole of the UKs odorite community. I liked Seiza Project when they were putting out stuff, and the new (ish) group Prism. But even then they aren't amazing.

The only western group I've really loved is Hitode Army. I don't follow any US groups so can't really comment on them.

>>9280683
It's rare to find a US group that actually puts the effort forward. And sadly it's usually lackluster Love Live groups these days.

>>9280683

The only thing that saves prism is the girl who cosplays Eli and Rin on occasion. The smaller buck-toothed asian can't dance for shit and is an attention seeking whore who posts pics of herself in japanese swimsuits on insta. She even admits to doing shit for 'the attenshuns'.
The other girl just offers up nothing, fat as fuck, butchers most of the characters she cosplays within the group (anyone else despair at that CURLY wig she used for Miki from Idolmaster?)

Looks like Berry is doing a new video every day this month!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfVJzB0CHKE
I love her style but I feel a little bad for her because the first comment on all her videos is from some wierd older guy radical feminist.

>>9280795
Call me crazy but I see nothing wrong with their dancing? I went back to even check their recent videos and I have no idea what you're talking about. Even the wig thing is so minor, you sound like you're shitting just to shit. Furthermore when was the last time you looked at the group? Because some things have changed.

>>9280958
He seems really creepy.

>>9280996
I'm gonna go with calling you crazy then? Their moves are sloppy and out of time. The whole point of dancing well is to be in time and define your moves. They also have zero stage presence and don't smile much, or seem in to what they're doing. Check the original of that dance and hopefully you'll see the difference.

>>9280795
For what it's worth I've seen them perform live and inclined to agree with >>9280996 more? They're definitely not perfect but they were fun to watch, having some really enthusiastic people in the first few rows of the audience made the atmosphere better too. They are not flawless but by far one of the better UK groups.

>>9280996
>>9281138
Which members are you? Why defend sloppiness? Also by the end of the first concert, 75% of the audience left. It's even in their We Are Crystal Rose video at the end. There the worst UK group, probably on the same level as Wish Sisters.

>>9281288
Who in the fuck do you think you are? We weren't even talking about crystal rose you dipshit. We were talking about PRISM. I was the one who mentioned crystal rose as a bad example in the first place. Get the fuck out.

>>9281290
Whoa there, not that serious m8

https://youtu.be/S6_DOuSI1Pw

When you see it

>>9283088
What am I looking for? Other than horrible dancing.

>>9283134
Serious question, what about the dancing is horrible? The dance moves seem to be in sync for the most part, except for a few spots, but the energy and facial expressions seem a bit tired. What could be done to improve the performance? (I'm not associated with this video or group at all, I'm just new to dance shit and interested in improving my own skills as much as possible.)

>>9281288
Alongside ichigo chu's group

>>9280553
>>9280247
Look me in the eye and tell me the Asian girl doesn't suck donkey balls at dancing here.

>>9283716
>Holly with the Asian girl either on par with her or just above.
Direct quote from my other post. So yes she does suck but at least she doesn't look like a flailing whatever it is.

>>9283412
Maybe it's simply the fact that I know the dance, but many of the moves are wrong and just as many are out of sync. Not only that, but with as many people as they have, fluid motions and movements REALLY need to be worked on. It's not as sloppy as half the stuff that is posted on here but it's still sloppy. The energy and facials are also lacking but the girl who did Reina's parts did alright (it wasn't good but it wasn't to the point where it was butchered).

>>9283412
Speaking as someone who doesn't know the dance, it looked fine to me. Some of them seemed to get tired near the end, but they were mostly hidden in the back. People needed to smile and put a little more heart into their moves, and some of the girls really need to style their hair better. Besides that, though, it looked way more practiced and put together than most of the dances here.

To me it looks like a bunch of people who maybe have no real dance experience but worked hard and got the moves down. It lacks fluidity like >>9283733 said but it's not horrible, especially for western groups.

>>9263275

Well there was the EPS Infinity video at Nihon Expo Winter edition. Only reason why even the con scene gave two shits about it. The one who did professional filming on it put it on FB.

KTxStudio/videos/664629123711504/

>>9281138
Not being funny, but the atmosphere being created by how enthusiastic the front row is (who were most likely friends) doesn't necessarily mean the group is good.

>>9280996
They're rather flat footed, imo, and pretty sloppy with arm movements.

To be fair, I've seen groups dragged over the coals for less than this. Heck, groups dragged over the coals for their dancing and there aren't even any videos OF them dancing.

>>9284301
I don't think the person was saying that the group was good because of that but rather the group has someone being hyped where not even many get that. There's a difference between having a party where nobody is dancing and a party where some people are dancing.

>>9284303
They do lack energy but their arm movements don't look sloppy unless you're looking at older videos. But for the other anon to say they completely suck is far from true when there have been way worse on here. It's a group of 3 people and those three people have better dances than groups of five or more.

>>9284301
Yeah, like >>9284307 says. The people at the front seemed like they knew them well but it gave the opportunity for other people further back in the audience to get hyped too. Like I say, not perfect, but better than most other UK groups.

>>9284311

Nah. The videos from the second half of the year are even worse than their live performances, and thats taking into account that they can have do-overs. I'm also disappointed in the cosplays/wigs of the white girl with them. Just because you're dancing doesn't mean that your make up and cosplay can go out of the window in quality, it means you have more things to watch out for.

>>9279469
Hitode Army is constanly getting shit on their necks because they use black shorts underneath.

>>9284321
But that doesn't mean they're any good, just have good fanbase/support.

That would be like saying static noise is good if people were having fun with it crackling away.

>>9284386
Didn't say it was the reason WHY they were good, just said it helped the atmosphere.

>>9284328
Honestly your opinions (and the others) are your opinions. I haven't said they were amazing or great or that their displays were on point, I was just saying that they're far from sucking.

Can someone post some videos of prism? It seems like a pretty common dance group name so I'm having trouble finding videos to look at.

>>9285229
The group discussed earlier in this thread? Sure, here's a few randomly selected ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYPNFaCyRpc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuUXA7Inaa4

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anything by kozue is going to be great, guaranteed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aajv3us4jVI

>>9227374
MUNE MUNE KYUN OR RENAI CIRCULATION

>>9284441
happy synthesizer, Luka luka night fever, megu megu fure endless night, ia ia night of desire, drop pop candy, galaxias, viva happy

for advanced then Marine bloomin or a fun one like Marine dreamin :)

have some fresh LL cringe. surprised she can raise her arms that high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f274OjCrgMU

>>9285232

Their Yume no Tobira was cringe. The Umi wasn't suited for the costume at all and her make up is terrible.
The kotori isnt a bad dancer but her face does nothing at all, and the other two just draw me in because of HOW bad they are. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.

I got around to watching the idolmaster one anon mentioned earlier because LL is bottom bitch with easy choreo and its easy to point and hop. Yume is probably at the top for complexity and they can't even do that right so I went to look at different sources I'm familiar with.

How did they ever think that those outfits were a good idea? Again with terrible make up and wigs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJIaC_FEMeI

>>9285458

Points to her for emoting with her face properly and doing something with it rather than looking gormless. I dont think she's doing that terribly.

>>9285489
.... What are they wearing?

>>9285489

Looking at the starting image, the blonde one has WAY too much blush.

>>9285489
>>9285232

This group seems to do ok indoors, but outside fuck it up. Is there a mirror or something for their SDS?

>>9285497

In the studio? yes.

Anyone got any solo Idolm@ster dance cover videos that aren't Kyun! Vampire Girl?

>>9285458
Oh god. What made it think that was a good idea?

>>9285458
I like how it's in an exercise room that clearly does not belong to her.

>>9285458
she's having fun, and keeping beat better than half of what i've seen. How greyish purple her wig is bothers me though but that's a cosplay topic, and a better location than an exercise room would have been ideal.

I remember seeing this group here and saw they uploaded some new stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIHNIml1vOI&feature=youtu.be

>>9285908
ugh i don't understand why they put the one in the mustard wig as the center in the beginning. she obviously didn't learn the dances and has a resting bitch face to go along.

theres no cringe thread and you guys eat this kiind of shit up so enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOGmr2ob6FI

>>9285987
I like babymetal and I fucking hate this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W73qNiCH0uE

their outfits are cute. I love when groups have customized outfits like this

>>9287227
I love Iro Bang a lot. They're talented dancers. I'd like them to do a MV or something to go along with the song since there's only a dance version. Wonder what happened.

>>9287288
I just found their channel and they're already one of my favorites. They clearly put work into what they do <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKnPtEGU0ws

>>9287227
Those ARE really cute! I always appreciate when member colors are a bit unusual - the dark green, light spring green, and dusky pink are good choices.

>>9288335
agreed, you don't see those colors often so it's refreshing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPcxvj4CD8s

>>9285458
At least her blazer isn't showcasing each and every one of her fat folds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkPaWx2vaUY

>>9289461
Yikes. I know it's not always easy to lose weight, but it IS easy to buy clothes that fit your frame. No matter what body shape you have, you're going to look worse in ill fitting clothes.

>>9289435
Woah I thought Kozue was just solo still. Had no idea she made a group!

>>9285519
Is Deresute okay?

Any fresh cringe?

How do anons feel about Dansu to Pantsu? They released some new videos.

>>9289435
this is so cute, this dance.

>>9291287

It's not odottemita cringe, but Hoshi/Hibiki from USA50 just had an "interview" on an anime-based radio show...

>>9293973
I tried listening to it but couldnt stand the way she talked. How many want to bet the delusional manager of USA50 and Hibiki just forced themselves onto there?

>>9293973
Yeah I saw that and it was horrible. Out of all people they picked hibiki who's probably the worse representative the group could have.

>>9294003
I wouldn't be surprised if the manager didn't know until last minute and hibiki just set it up for herself.

>>9294106
She does have past history of joining groups while in othee groups and doing unapproved activities under said groups ontop of giving nonstop excuses and doing a majoirty of her "career" without any parental approval. She is probably the worst person to accept into any group.

>>9293797
I never actually looked for quality content from them, I'm more of a fan of their community aspect, like how much of a family they are if that makes sense.

>>9293973
>>9294003
is there a link?

>>9294119
It's funny you said that too because she said on the show that her parents approve of it. Wonder if they really do or if she said that to not seem like an idiot child.

>>9294352

It's from 2 to 25. When I heard from 20 on.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/animezingradio/2016/12/19/azr-welcomes-hibiki-chan-caitlynn-french-suda-chan

>>9294373
My sentence doesn't make sense. When I heard I only heard from the 20 mark so good luck.

>>9294373
I couldn't force mysef to listen to the whole thing

>>9294372
She is known for lieing about her parental approval yet despite all this, she is still getting accepted into groups?? Either that or USA50 is so desperate there willing to deal with her.

>>9294984
They're pretty desperate

>>9294984
they seemed pretty desperate to me.
Didn't they just start off with the chicago area and then had to expand since no one auditioned?

>>9294984
Completely desperate. Nobody in that group even LOOKS idol material.

>>9295003
Yes

Whats this drama with ngi45? can someone give deets?

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>>9295474
all I could really find, not a very professional response.

>>9295474
How is it even drama nobody even knew who it was but that's one less worthless and mediocre group to worry about

>>9295615
Damn, I had actually auditioned for that and was looking forward to being able to sing some original music. Oh well though.

>>9295671

Bullet dodged.

>>9295671
If you want to sing original music don't use net idol groups because they will fail or it'll be mediocre.

>>9295701
I'm pretty mediocre too, to be honest. Any recommendations for opportunities to sing original music? I did choir for a while, so stuff like that? I don't know how to write music on my own, so that's why I was looking forward to taking part in something like this.

>>9295711
Honestly original music is more than instrumentals. Even if you write your own lyrics and think of a melody then that's music. Find people you know who make music, ask around, save money for a while to even do one song. Just make sure everything is spelled out and copyrighted so you don't run into trouble. If you have a mac, you can even learn GarageBand.

>>9274337
sweet jesus the faces the brunette girl makes are super scary

>>9280553
christ did they even bother to learn the dance?

>>9295474
The person who was having the auditions deleted the youtube and email address and also blocked anyone who auditioned without saying shit.

>>9295905
No because they even said themselves they only had two days to practice. the dance moves done even seem that hard and half of what they did are dances they could've learned on their own

A classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FekdGhbtc4

What do you guys think about those love live dance contests on instagram? Do you keep up or participate in any of them?

>>9295936
I never even knew that was a thing

>>9295920
I'm more bothered that all of their skirts are different, but that's me being picky--

>>9295920
and if they had a rin why didn't they just switch wigs lol

>>9295909
Must be the same person behind sakura station. They probably have mental issues. People should stop auditioning for sketchy ass projects, like project passion, ame48, usa number something and so on. When no faces or decently made graphics are shown it's obviously sketchy. Be wary of crappy vocaloid or loli pitched music. And the windows movie maker edition, with some spelling mistakes. If you do take these people seriously, then you brought it on yourself. Stop trusting 14 year olds and early twenty - mid thirty aged life crisis suffering women.

If there is original music ongoing, the least you should expect is an instrumental sample in the audition announcement. It's not so hard to spot a mess in progress.

>>9295936

Tell/show us more. This sounds like one hell of a car crash and I want front row seats and hot popcorn.

>>9296323
I think it's a little much to assume it's the same person as Sakura Station? Won't lie I thought it too but still think it's a jump because there seemed to be drama behind Sakura Station which why would they come back even as someone else if there was the risk of reinstating it (the same people are in the community as when everything happened).

Also please explain what your definition of sketchy is. I will agree, spelling mistakes and groups based off other already existing groups are too much. There could be a group with amazing graphics and audios that can be easily as sketchy. I wouldn't say stop trusting. More like stop acting like it's your only way to do something.

Last point but adding a clip of instrumental won't exactly do much? When have you ever seen a group - net or otherwise - include samples of their music? That's just dumb. Velvet Kitsune has literally put their music up for sale before the group even exists. It's so easy to go in, make a quick song and mix, and copyright it then have them be faced with stealing if they haven't already done it themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HodPmVfSRY

someone please tell me the name of this group/where to find more theyre so cute

I'm growing a bit tired of the cyber love live fad, this one made me a bit sad. The filming is nice, but the dancing is awkward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12B03A-f154

>>9296861
A lot of their videos are tagged with 波利花菜园 I thought they used to have an Eng. name but I can't find it anymore

A whole bunch of their videos are here though! (There is a sina. weibo account too) http://space.bilibili.com/724686/#!/channel-detail/1132/1/0

>>9296935
>putting the short one behind all the taller ones
I think that triggered me the most.

>>9297045

Wonder if they are Taiwanese or Mainlander. A lot of these cover groups for LL! are usually from China.

>>9297070
To be fair, it's a preset dance and you can't really switch it up much

But that room is waaaaay too small. You should be able to see all the girls pretty clearly but yeah they are having to squish up.

Those costumes are also really short on most of those girls...

>>9296935
This is honestly a perfect example of why you need to have space during a dance. It screws up the dance.

>>9297289
Well the costumes themselves are short anyway so not much to really do about it.

>>9297359
At least wear white shorts

>>9297367
Why white and I'm pretty sure they are wearing shorts?

>>9296935
Why put the one that has no clue even what way to turn in the very center?

>>9296935
I went back and looked at their channel. I really wonder what made them use that small space when even their practice video(s) are in PRACTICE ROOMS with more than enough space. Was it a choice or as it a "we'll have enough room for you guys just come" and it was definitely not enough room?

>>9297452
the white shorts would blend better with the white petticoats and become less noticeable.

>>9297289
>To be fair, it's a preset dance and you can't really switch it up much
That's what I sort of figured, I just kind of wondered why they chose characters the way they did, then, seeing as that would be an issue.

>>9297452
White would blend with their white underskirt, instead of being an obvious, stark contrast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjdq3uLIqpw

despite the negatives Amaitsuki can get, they do have a handful of talented ones.

>>9297512
most love live groups don't even put things like that into consideration honestly

>>9297455
According to the comments, their Umi couldn't make it so they had to have someone else learn the center position the night before.

I don't understand the point of flusay girls if most of their members are horrid and still are in their trainee groups. Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

>>9297581
why not just... wait? shit like that is the most baffling to me. why would you rather rush out a shit product than wait to make a good one?

>>9297514
True. I just saw this one, I think it's one of the best I've seen from them. Maybe because there are less members kek.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYv3kpUiYQg&user=yumesouseiji

>>9297685
The product was kind of shit anyway thanks to the size of the room. But it's not exactly that easy to just wait? From the looks of it, that's someone's studio and they hired someone to record and probably edit. "Just waiting" isn't always an option especially when most photographers and videographers have a clause where if you wait until the day or two before to cancel, you can't get your money back.

>>9289663
Yes!

>>9297452
Because you shorts should always match your petticoats. Black with white? Obvious af

>>9297512
I've done dance groups and cosplay groups, and you generally pick who you want to cosplay and stick with it. They may have other dance covers with them the same girl as they are here.

The angle really doesn't help them, to be honest. If it was at a higher angle it'd be better that a slightly below waist angle.

Small room+awkward camera angle = can't see smol people

>>9297685
They may not have been able to cancel the camera guy and studio without some kinda fine.

Omitting Umi from this dance does not work either, as each member is actually pretty integral to each part. You need 9 members or it looks a bit... rubbish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwMZQG6UusI

>>9297905
This highlights why you prerecord and lip sync rather than sing and dance. You can't catch your breath and the audio can fuck up with a mic. Plus, with them in corsets (I think?) further fucks them over as they can't draw a deep breath to actually sing.

10/10 for effort though

>>9297914
I just thought they can't sing. It takes practice to actually sing and dance which takes time to build which they obviously didn't do. Seemed as time went on they just didn't sing.

>>9297750
Yeah, and also Umi is the center of this song so you can't really cut her from the dance even more than any other position.

>>9298033
actually since umi is the center, you can get away with cutting her out of it since she doesn't have a partner like the others do. With a few adjustments it can work out fine.

>>9298050
Not in less than a day without rearranging the parts. And realistically, no you cannot change out a center especially when moves are depending on them.

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You guys seen this group on Instagram yet? They're marketing themselves as a fully original group. I'm anticipating a clusterfuck, since most of their members look like teens.

>>9298169
Two things:
I only saw two pictures of members and they're two of three 16 year olds so.
Their profiles literally say 14-16 so there's that.

Other than that, I'd be willing to give at least their first song a chance. Even though it's another cringe waiting to happen, it's enough to see their actual talent and costumes. Makes me curious so I'll be keeping an eye on them. It'd be nice if they were in the same place which I really hope is true.

>>9298174
I met the girl doing Stella (?) a while back and she said someone offered to produce a group of her friends.

>>9298169
I hope people are gentle to them.

>>9298181
That's really interesting.

Did digging and found they were originally pony themed.......?

>>9298169
Those outfits look like magical girls rofl

It's fun to design an OTT idol outfit, but realistically they will be expensive as fuck to sew, especially with all the accessories and wigs, and they might not be great to dance in. And they'll pretty much have to wear them forever since I don't imagine they'll be having many more team outfits with that level of detail. Still, wishing them the best.

>>9298033
Usually, centres can be cut and are the easiest to omit but only if they stay still. Umi does not. It's like cutting Eli from the centre of Mermaid, it will look weird - however, Honks from OP1? Works brilliantly.

>>9298050
With most centres you can do this, but Umi has solos and basically acts as if she's controlling the others. It looks weird without her.

>>9297936
Singing on stage is different than just singing. They might have been ok in practice, but the audio was blaring and they had to shout - that always ruins singing

>>9298364
if you listen a good amount of them end up off key, I'd say they just couldn't sing desu

>>9298364
I know what singing on a stage is like. With or without music directly in your ear it's not that hard and if they have to scream that's not their fault. My point to the original was they can't sing at all versus not being able to sing and dance. Besides if you have to scream to be heard over music especially with mics then something is wrong there don't you think? They just can't sing (and some don't even know the lyrics).

Happy Holidays

https://youtu.be/P0wAsVW1wY4

>>9298994
The autotuned is killing me.
I feel bad because I just realize I know one of them in real life and she is really weird. I didn't know she was part of FG.

>>9298994
I can't for the life of me understand how Nanami's wasted over 6 years of her life making music for Flusay Girls and has barely improved at all

>>9299447
That is a really good point. I wonder if they're actually making money because if they have saved anything, shouldn't they be able to have better music by now?

This outfit is so cute!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP3xtEGpunE&t=0s

wow these guys are great!

https://youtu.be/A-FIt4bHXXw

>>9300551
Wow.

What are you guy's thoughts on Maid's of England?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ik2-RakgKE&t

>>9301987
No.

>>9301997
I couldn't finish watching it. They started fine, decent even, but I cringed when yellow did that uguu feiku high-up pitchi voisu, and purple had a shaky voice, she sounded terrified, and maybe she can sing, I don't know, but she missed every note. Both ruined the performance for me. Aitakatta is a pretty easy song to dance and hard to screw up.

>>9302010
I went through some other videos of theirs...the purple girl DEFINTELY can't sing, holy shit. She sounds like an old man singing in falsetto. What made this group even think it's a good idea to let her sing?

>>9302052
The fact that it's her group. She's the founder of MOE as a cafe & idol unit.

>>9301987
red one has the best voice by far

>>9301987
The purple one has a terrible voice. Red one is best. Rest are average

>>9301987
Okay I still stand by my no. I went back because I stopped watching after the intro to aitakatta because how do you fuck that up. I shouldn't have gone back.

It's pretty nice to see more musumen covers, hope more people cover them in the future because their dances are cute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frBeRuXwkLc&t=0s

>>9304163
Their dances are cute. Those dancers are not.
It'd be nice to see some good Musumen covers.

>>9304328
So cute = good dance now? Then about 1/2 of musumen should quit. As should half of some other dancers who are also good. The cover isn't perfect but it's good.

>>9304328
They're cute enough. Healthy bodies, cute sweaters (maybe not the yellow sweater though), smiling while dancing. Their dance is pretty in sync as well.

>>9298994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtsWVWOT0aw&t=58s

>>9304597
Still questioning why they did this song twice.

>>9304597
Are they singing a half step apart from each other?? Holy shit the dissonance!

>>9304591
>Healthy
This is why people pick on americans. They are cute but they still need to lose a little weight, to prevent pre-diabetes.

>>9304662
I honestly can't believe people don't understand the concept of not being a stick doesn't equal being overweight and unhealthy. They don't look anywhere near an unhealthy weight. If they're "unhealthy" then some of the girls posted should be dead.

>>9304662
In addition, look at the fucking title. UK is totally America guys!

>>9304597
this is much better at .5 speed

>>9304700
I didn't say they needed to be sticks. They just need to lose a couple of pounds, that's all. Healthy people have some muscular definition, regular exercise, not at a pro level, would keep them healthy, unlike idol sticks.
>>9304703
I was talking about anon.

>>9305178
Unless I'm misreading a lot of these posts, anon was referring to the girls in the U.K. dance video - not Americans so I don't get how you were talking about anon. They don't need to "lose a couple of pounds" because there's nothing wrong with them. They are normal sized and you're not to say they're "too big" or unhealthy. Keep in mind everyone has a different body type so not everyone is going to have noticeable muscle definition or a slim figure. It's one thing for the person to actually need to lose weight due to their own negligence but it's totally different if they are already abnormal and healthy size or if they have an issue that causes them to gain weight or prevents from losing it (although the two after "or" are more rare).

>>9304519
what's wrong with a dance being cute?

>>9304519
disregard that above reply, got confused with the other replies
happy new years folks haha