Old School Lolita Thread

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Mana

>>8986127
Old one is archived here:

>>8950449

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>>8986135
Brand, but not really lolita.
Kera Issue 68, 2004

Reposting questions from last thread that got few responses.

>Having any recent purchases?
>What's your oldest item?
>What kind if coords are you planning?
>Who's your old school inspiration/idol?

>What is it that draws you to old school?
>Do you have a specific favorite old school coord? If so, what is it you like so much about it?
>Do you have an old school "crown jewel" of your wardrobe? If so, why that piece?
>I feel old school has been making a comeback. What do you think?

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>>8986144

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>>8986149

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>>8986156
I love this old IW embroidery series.

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>>8986159

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>>8986165

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>>8986167
..ok, I know it's 2004 and all, but what made this girl think a jean jacket was a good idea?!?!

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>>8986169

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>>8986171

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>>8986175

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>>8986180

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>>8986182

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>>8986183
This rolled foot pose looks painful. I'm glad it's not really popular anymore!

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>>8986185

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>>8986186
This is that pirate alice print by AatP, right? It's the only modernish style border print on this whole page!

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>>8986187

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>>8986188
Obviously not lolita, but tattoos! On a woman! In a Japanese Street Snap!

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>>8986194

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>>8986195

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Oh hey look. It's all the clothes from Kamikaze Girls

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>>8986201

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>>8986201
Missed a few.

Looking back, the thing that always amazes me about Kamikaze Girls is how much of the movie Momoko spends in ugly floral nightdresses instead of the iconic looks the movie is remembered for.

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>>8986207

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>>8986212

>>8986208
That one has a couple more dresses, but this guide has the socks, bags and headpieces. Neither is totally complete, sadly.

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The person with the apron on looks surprisingly old for a street snap, I think?

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>>8986221
Pintucks in velveteen always amaze me, they seem so hard to make...

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>>8986222

this is... some lace

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>>8986225
This, however, is really nicely put together

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>>8986231
The more things change, the more they stay the same. A plaid suspender skirt and a strawberry border skirt, 2004.

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>>8986247

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>>8986253

>>8986225
Giving the finger to the camera *and* to good taste.

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>>8986254

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>>8986258
She did better than this girl though. At least redxblack-chan tried to match

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>>8986268

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>>8986272

>>8986268
Black shoes and a non-black coordinate can have a certain charm to it, giving an Alice in Wonderland feel. Black stompy boots do not.

>>8986208
I always assumed she couldn't because of how much they cost. Can't wear lolita everyday when you can only afford a few pieces here and there

>>8986291
I originally assumed they were handmade, and that theory would make sense, but it's wrong. A lot of the frumpy shit is Jane Marple (if I remember correctly), and some is VW and Meta. Some are also Baby pieces. I think it's a comfort and practicality in the heat thing moreso than a cost one.

>>8986149
I love this dress so much, simple but classic.

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>>8986145
>What kind of coords are you planning?
At the moment I'm trying to figure out oldschool classic, but it's hard. Half the style literally hasn't changed at all, and some of the parts that are different go against my instincts of taste. The bit I'm struggling with most is the shoes - most of the classic coords I see that don't go for something too odd like huge stompy goth boots or super sweet boots use some kind of very plain white/brown/black low-heeled Mary Jane that doesn't really look like a typical lolita brand shoe and I'm really struggling to find similar shoes offbrand. Platforms are around too, but I'm terrible at walking in them for long periods. RHS seem to be fine as well but there's a RHS shortage in my size at the moment. I'm also struggling to reconcile having a lot of beige items with using white shoes.

I might try to get some boots like pic related, since they still work for modern styles.

>>8986159
Quite like the girl next to her in sportswear.

>>8986171
One of the few examples I've seen of calf-high socks looking good.

>>8986187
I'm confused by what the ridiculous space shit next to it is. Some sort of raver thing, or a cosplay thing?

>>8986198
Misako is damn cute in BtSSB there. Also coloured shoes represent.

>>8986231
Very cute on the right there! Feels like it could be a modern otome coord or some Jane Marple stuff.

>>8986247
>The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I was just thinking this recently with bat collars coming back in. A lot of people seem to think they're a modern gothic trend, but they're absolutely not, as seen in >>8986254.

>>8986272
Cute.

Looking at this reminds me of how much I HATE old school Lolita. Though I agree that some of the stuff today is way too OTT but all of these dresses just look gross and tacky

>>8986592
Maybe you should move along to the next thread, then? No sense in raising your blood pressure from people enjoying things you don't like.

>>8986592
>tacky
>understated
>letting the details speak for themselves

You sound like a bogan.

>>8986214
What are these roomwear pieces? I need them.

>>8986198
Misako actually really suits darker make up and styles.

>>8986127
>TFW you will never have this dress
>dress was never released
>the degree of specificity is high on this desire
>making a handmade copy is a sure failure

Why live

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I really love this coord except for the god awful lace monster underneath her coat

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Mana, Kera 68, 2004, from a MMM advert

>>8986762
bear with me because I'm not feeling well this weekend, and I'm not doing so well at transliteration, but, I think the white one with blue bows just says リボン地サマードレス (Ribbon land summer dress)

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A colab BTSSB bag? I think?

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>>8986956
and a petticoat, which is a weird thing to be in kera. Petticoats are almost never featured, so this is interesting.

>>8986956
It says it's their original print

>>8986959
This petti is to wear with cutsew dresses

>>8986185
>mfw I stand like this all the time without realising
I have weird ankles

>>8986861
Holy fuck I need those shoes.

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Last thing of interest from this isse

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Switching to Kera 46, July 2002

The theme is "sexy and mighty girls" (mostly seems to be a highlight of celebs) and the beauty comic is about pedicure and some sort of permanent or semi permanent eyelash curling? Not nearly as weird or as horrifying as some of the weight loss ones.

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>>8987395

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>>8987415

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>>8987423

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>>8987441

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>>8987444
sorry so many are crooked

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>>8987452

I think that uglier girls look better in oldschool in a weird way. like it has this over all offness I find really appealing.

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Putumayo

>>8987385
GLAMOROUS FUCKIN' ROCK

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Streetsnap, kera 46, 2002

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>>8987609

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>>8987613

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>>8987614

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>>8987615

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>>8987621

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>>8987623

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>>8987625

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Victorian Maiden, 2002

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>>8987629

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>>8987636

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>>8987689

>>8987571
The OP is Moitie, bag is Putumayo

>>8987614
This is cute.

>>8987615
I love this.

I appreciate the dump anon, especially since I'd not seen any of these before. I like these two in particular because they look "fully formed" with nothing glaringly wrong in the coordinates.

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>>8987750
thank you; I should probably not try to caption things, I'm super out of it.

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>>8987770
It's a lot to scan and it makes it feel less tedious when I can share it with people. This seems to be one of the few places where there seem to be people who are regularly interested in old school stuff so... I figured why not?

Scans of most of kera aren't available, so most of it is probably going to be new content unless it's an advert that was used in multiple issues or also used in the GLB.

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>>8987781

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>>8987784
Almost done with this issue, I'm going to jump back to issue 32, from May 1999 after this.

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>>8987807

>>8986187
lolibrary is down for me but it looks like baby's original cinderella print to me

>>8987773
God, Visible have always been so tacky and ita.

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>>8987812
oh, no, you are totally right. the print I was thinking of wasn't even out then, it's a 2006 release. ugh. I'm so off my game today. I was convinced I was seeing swords in there.

Well, this is just re-enforcing the "I really should not try to make lolibrary entries for any of this today" idea I was having earlier....

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>>8987808

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>>8987838

>>8987830
they are some similarities in the shapes in the print, i wouldn't feel too bad lol
i used to own the pirate print 2 jsk (and holy shit do i regret selling it) which is the main reason i could tell the difference

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Ok, Kera issue 32, from May 2001, not 1999... that would be a much lower date. A+ on the reading skills for me right now, sorry.

(the spines of a lot of the issues have some 1999 date, I have no idea what it signifies as the magazine started in 1998)

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>>8987845

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>>8987851
Moon-Kana on the right, I think...

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>>8987855

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>>8987908

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>>8987923

>>8987855
Yup!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olsd-6doRto

I thought she had disappeared completely, but apparently was a little active last year. Still, she hasn't updated her fb since last Nov - her yt page is really inactive.

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>>8987928
the top of the page says Metamorphose with the date 3.18.2001

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>>8987989

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>>8988001

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>>8988012

Requesting more Moitie and other gothic brands like Atelier Pierrot, Antique Beast and Arachnophobia, please and thank you!

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>>8988022

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>>8988022
this is from the issue I was scanning before this one. 2002

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>>8988022

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>>8988056
And that's it for this issue. I need to get some sleep

>>8987781
Hot damn, thank you so much for these scans. I wish there was a more complete set of Kera scans out there, but even scanning this much is incredibly helpful.

>>8987943
>>8987950
I love these so much
Thank you for posting all of these, anon

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update from last thread: old usakumya arrived and I'm so in love with him even if he's kind of ugly

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>>8988012
Thanks for the scans anon, these are all lovely. It's great to see new content.

>>8988804
He's cute with the rabbit ears but a bit misshapen without.

>>8988804
>>8988838
I actually think he's adorable without the ears, he looks more like a real teddy bear.

>>8987634
Who is the model?

>>8987636
This is delightfully reminiscent of western 90s gothic style. I love it.

>>8986145
>>What's your oldest item?
I have a Baby skirt from 2001 and two BtSSB dresses from 2002. For some reason all my really old stuff is Baby...I'd like to get some older Meta or VM sometime.

>>8986145
>any recent purchases?
I have a sailor-collar blouse, a hime-sleeved blouse and a pair of black RHS in the mail but Golden Week has delayed their arrival.

>What kind if coords are you planning?
I'm trying to figure out ways to wear the same piece multiple ways. You'd think the more relaxed attitude to matching in oldschool would make the process of coordination easier, but it doesn't - I get way too stressed about whether the accessories I'm using are "oldschool enough".

>>8988020
Didn't know MAM was around that early. Thanks for all the scan anon!

>>8987900
Such a nice coord. Can't help but notice how many of them were named 'Alice' in these old snaps, also the fact that 14 y/os were using Vivienne Westwood already!??

>>8986956
Sorry for the multiple replies, working my way up the thread. Baby had a single colour Bambi and Alice print before going full colour, I believe this is part of that print?

>>8989057
I guess it's a mixture of second-hand, saving, and parents money? If I really wanted to I could have bought VW at 14 and my family weren't rich and I didn't get an allowance. I would have had to save my lunch money and birthday money for like a year though instead of spending it on sweets and CDs...

>>8986592
It should be a sin to act this new anon. If you can't even appreciate the core aesthetics of what made Lolita in the first place then find another fashion.
>You probably don't know who Mana is kek

>>8989057
'Alice' is fake name obviously
Parents got money in Bubble Era. Passed financial rewards to kids

>>8988804
So jelly anon. How much did you end up paying for him? I am working on an usakumya/kumakumya collection

>>8987986
>>8987989
Anyone else think they're lying about their ages? They look way older than they claim to be.

>>8989235
Oh, quite possibly, but it's hard to tell with a low-res photo. Might just be an unfortunate pose (or face).

I love these pictures omg. I know of the 90s and 00s but does anyone have pictures or magazines of what oldschool Lolita looked like in the 80s? Or own any dresses from that era?

>>8987936
This is beautiful.

RD you make me want to get all the GLBs. This is not good because I don't have a bookshelf right now.

In other news just got some 10 year old velveteen in the mail and I'm going to marry it. Got some black socks with white lace too, but the velvet and I are already an item.

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>>8988022
Alice Auaa, kera 45, June 2002

i wish i knew if any of these girls still wore lolita, it would be amazing to learn about how their wardrobes grown since then

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>>8988022

>>8989230
It was $200 US but I ended paying about 300 with shipping and the Canadian currency lol so worth it

>>8989344
Are your books stacked to the ceiling on the top of the shelf? rows in front of the rows on the shelf for paper backs?

If not, you just need to reorganize.

If so, you just need another bookshelf.

Idon'thaveabookproblemIDKwhatyouaretalkingabout.

>>8988804
He is beautiful
>>8988849
I feel like a lot of Japanese street fashion lags a little behind western fashion when they borrow trends?
>>8989038
They are pretty old; I've got them at least as old as 01/2001 on a timeline in one of my books.

Pretty is 1979
Heart E and Algonquins are 1987
Baby is 1988
Putumayo is 1990
Meta is 1993
Miho Matsuda and Marble are 1996
Visible is 1997
Victorian Maiden and Moi Meme Moitie are 1999

>>8989235
A lot of the oldschool girls seem to be more frumpy and plain; I'm not sure if it's just a case of it being so rare a style that there aren't a lot of very pretty people to push those girls into the background or what.

>>8988843
I'm really, really bad at recognizing people, so forgive me if this is a bunch of different models who are just all European, but at the end of the shoot they credit just one model: NATALIA

>>8989362
You just described my life sister. I packed my ~1000 book collection into tubs and shoved them into a (climate controlled) storage unit before I made a mad dash overseas. Have accumulated more books since arriving. Will have more before leaving. 50 odd GLBs won't make much difference, my mom has already resigned herself to receiving boxes of clothes and books. Bless her.

Idon'thaveaproblemeithernope.

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>>8989247
"Some covers from Olive magazine in the mid 1980s, one of the first magazines to feature lolita style clothing, and one of the biggest influences on the early evolution of the fashion. The term “lolita” was coined around this time, but “Olive girl” was still more common."
From apple-hime on tumblr.

Imagine if "olive girl" stuck around. Tbh it's waaay better than "lolita".

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>>8989410

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>>8989414

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>>8989416
These next few are from a scrapbook made with Olive images.

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>>8988022
This is more punk than anything else, but it's pretty nicely done IMHO
kera 45, June 2002

(I'll go back to actual lolita from kera soon; I want to post what I can for the 80s request first, but I need to finish off what is open on my scanner first for my own sanity, hence the delay)

>>8989235
>Anyone else think they're lying about their ages? They look way older than they claim to be.
They look like they are in their 30's-40's to me. I noticed that the girls look much older and are more "ugly" than the girls we see now.

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>>8989418

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>>8989422

>>8989389
It's possible.

I think part of it had to with the makeup aesthetic of the time. 90s makeup was pretty heavy and made people look really mature, but unless you were going for gothic lolita, lolitas then wanted to focus on youthfulness, so wearing makeup was pretty minimal, if none were worn at all.

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>>8989427

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>>8989431
This is the last of what I've got.

>>8989410
I have the following issues of Olive in the mail right now:
1982 6/3,6/18,12/18 (№1,2,14)

1983 2/3,2/18,3/3,4/3,4/18,5/3 (№16,17,18,20,21,22)

1996 October (idk which one), 12/18

1998 3/18

and 12 assorted issues from 1996-2002

When I get them (probably at least 2 weeks if not 3) I can scan some stuff.

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>>8989247
Ok, so a quick history lesson as to why this is relevant. BTSSB was founded by Isobe in 1988. Prior to that, he worked for Atsuki Onishi.

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>>8989454

this is primarily a knitting book, and it was published in 1985. So this is around the time Isobe was working there. So it's likely this had some influence on early Baby.

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>>8989459

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>>8989494
Alice themed print and knitwork

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>>8989498
More alice themes

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>>8989502

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>>8989505
Lots of alice motifs

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>>8989507
This model is featured in a handful of photos I'm skipping because they aren't remotely related to lolita or lolita print themes, but I want to mention it because it's super cool that she's featured in here and in so many photos.

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>>8989510
Actually, in hindsight, IDK if this chick is white or not. I thought she wasn't, but it might just be the lighting and a perm, which is lame if that's all it is.

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>>8989523
This reminds me a bit of Baby's headeating bows

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>>8989533

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>>8989535

>>8989507
model: Valeria

>>8989523
model: Mona

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>>8989539
Thank you!

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Ok, so part of the reason this is relevant, is the BTSSB timeline in the baby mook that came with that cheap black heart bag says this for 1988:
東京都渋谷区にて婦人服製造卸会社を設立
Established a women's clothing manufacturing wholesale company in Shibuya-ku, Tokyo

It doesn't actually say it's lolita, nor that it's specifically called baby.

Later, in 1992, it says 正式にBABY, THE STARS SHINE BRIGHT としてブランドをスタートさせる (Officially BABY,THE STARS SHINE BRIGHT starts as a brand).

which means 1980s baby, might not be labeled Baby and it probably is closer to what we see in his 80s work prior to Baby than what we see in the late 90s work.

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I notice back in the days this fashion cared way less about people's appearance. It was mainly about the fashion and the clothing, less about looking necessarily beautiful but more about coordinating and making it work for you. What a shame lolita became like mainstream fashion that prioritizes being in a beauty norm.

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>>8989559
Here is some 1997 Baby (top center) while I have that open

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While Pretty has has shops since 1979, they weren't specifically manufacturing lolita.

This is who they carried in 2004.

A lot of what we consider to be lolita brands weren't around in the 80s, or they weren't selling their own things under their own names.

I feel like I'm not explaining all this well, but basically, when you start chasing established lolita brands back to the 80s, almost everything dead ends. We can get a general idea of what these particular brands might have been doing, though..

And there was clearly /someting/ before AP and Baby... but as far as "Lolita" in the 1980s goes... we are talking totally different brands than we are for the late 90s -> forward.

Pre 90s, it's going to be MILK and Pink House, and ETC and JM, and brands which are considered Otome today, or to fall into other fashion styles entirely.

And it's too old for the wayback machine. So I hope once I get the Olive issues I have in the mail I can give you a little 80s proto-lolita, but without hard copies of magazines from the 80s, this is the best I can really offer for now.

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This thread is running out of images, so here is a random advert for a pink house fashion show in 1998/1999

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>>8989634
And since we are talking proto-lolita brands, here is a Betty's Blue dress from the late 90s which would totally fit in with a modern JetJ collection.

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>>8989561
It's interesting to see how much has changed.

Now everyone wants to look like this.

>>8989634
>>8989629
This thread has been a gold mine of information, thank you all. Saving all the images for future reference.

I tried.
>>8989680

>>8989629
Bless you RD for these scans. I also wondered about lolita the 80s and this is perfect!

>>8989410
>>8989454
This beyond amazing! Thank you guys soo much for these pictures they are beautiful! Wow Olive girl interesting

>>8989515
She looks mixed to me though I've seen white people with properly curly hair.I'm 1/4 white and my hair is a similar but slightly looser texture, but I do hope they didn't just get a white girl and perm her hair to look 'exotic' without having to actually hire a mutt.

>>8989644
that's terrifying

>>8989562
Wow, I didn't know the heart apron was that early, 1997. And they've been releasing that exact spin doll headdress since 2000.

>>8989644
That one Chinese model always terrifies me, she literally has the face of a toddler and it's freaky as fuck.

>>8989454
This model looks so like Sofia Boutella here. sage