Cosplay is way too fake now

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it's mostly failing models going into cosplay tbf and sexualizing nearly everything out there, or wearing sexy cosplays because it will get them likes. literally zero interest in the fandom/character they are cosplaying.

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and not to mention people like *ahem*

>>8952118
at least she's into her fandom though

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>>8952118
That's what it looks like. Girls weren't hot enough for real money modeling so they switched to the cosplay / twitch gamer route.

It's a new market, but that's the sad thing, it's now a market. This whole geek culture has been commercialized, and that's why there's such a power struggle over things like GG, it's about trying to secure a place in the hierarchy of authority on what is and isn't "geek".

milking that neckbeard fanboy money

keep handing over your cash and attention, boys, your dick demands it.

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Who do you think is most to blame? Munn, nigri, underwood? They seemed to of started this trend.

>>8952215
fanboys.

stop spending money on stupid shit and the problem will fix itself.

>>8952215
I don't think it started with anybody.
It was always an underlying market waiting to go mainstream and get tapped by a few bimbos. Now it's just more transparent and accessible.

>>8952220
sex sells. and we're here to shame you about having libido. So give us money and we'll point you towards other problematic things, so you can release your sexual tension with the illusion of getting pity pussy.

>>8952220
What are they even buying exactly?

>>8952225
the illusion that if they give a cosplayer cash, she will care about them.

>>8952225
prints, autographs, and tickets to conventions that have famous cosplay guests. the only reason these women get attention is because their bodies make money for conventions and the only reason their bodies make money is because of horny fanboys.

the female equivalent is still centered mostly on fanworks, since for some reason no one has realized the enormous potential in exploiting the fangirl market. guys who try (the "/fit/ here" types) woefully miss the mark, so all that legbeard money goes to gay fanart and itabags instead.

additionally, conventions in general cater to horny dudes. i think it's because men are more overt in their fetishes, more willing to uncritically dump money and attention into sexy RL versions of their waifus. if horny fangirls cared to spend money on IRL versions of their husbandos, you can bet a market for that would pop up, but it's just not what they are interested in.

Makes me wonder why hookers don't just put on some cosplay cloths and charge neckbeards double. Talk about an "untapped" market

>>8952225
You ever heard of this thing called "financial domination"? Look it up, it's that.

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Honestly I get the impression that the 'horny fanboys' aren't the kinds of people who would normally be at cons anyway.

Guys at cons before all this shit started are nothing like the guys at cons now, drooling over shitty mainstream cosplayers. They're more bro-ish and trendy looking, the sort of people you'd imagine on Facebook or playing Xbox, whereas previously they were just slightly cringey weebs who cared more about samurai swords and shonen jump.

I think the whole 'geek' market has evolved with a new audience; it's now pretty much outside of the realm of people who cosplay and go to cons because they like anime. 'Professional' cosplayers are geared towards the people who would score low on a geek-quotient test, the type of people who consider themselves 'geeky' for watching mainstream TV shows and superhero movies. Most of us posting on 4chan's cosplay board will never really understand it because we're not a part of it.

>>8952350
THIS. Holy shit, how could people think it's anything else?

If it was just about guys buying the opportunity to view their bodies then why do ~*~GAMUR GURLZ~*~ get away with the same forumla of doing shit when all they ever show is the waist up and maybe cleavage? It's just a bunch of dudes who get off feeling like women owe them something. You don't see men cornering women they like in the street, shoving money in their face, and demanding that they capture themselves for their viewing pleasure because it wouldn't work unless they were prostitutes.

>>8952213
This desu. Thirsty niggas need to fucking stop.

>>8952347
There's already camgirls who do it, and considering cosplay porn and cosplay burlesque are also a thing, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole sex work market has these types, you just wouldn't know it because full service workers are not as out in the open since it's... you know... illegal.

There's plenty of insecure girls at cons who sleep around, and I do know a guy who used his student loans to "buy" softcore sexual favors from girls at cons.

>>8952380
>used his student loans to "buy" softcore sexual favors from girls at cons

LOL. Holy shit, and I thought the way I blew my student loans was bad.

>>8952203
to be fair if I was halfway as pretty and skinny I'd be going the twitch route too, the only thing that would keep me from doing is the plethora of creepy guys trying to dig for all of your personal info.

>>8952383
There are plenty of guys that fatties. You clearly have no self-respect, you might as well make some easy dosh.

>>8952382
He literally gave a girl a netbook to get naked and talk to him for 15mins.

>>8952356
Honestly, the change in the type of convention goers is what bothers the most about all this. Cons don't care because money is money, but I have stopped going to a lot of ones that have geared more towards normalfags because no one wants to hang out in the same space as creepy, old perverts that can distinguish between a "professional cosplayer" who is paid to pretend to like them and all the other girls there.

>>8952391
*that can't distinguish

>>8952383
>plethora of creepy guys trying to dig for all of your personal info

This is actually really scary and true. It seems glamorous to be obsessed about until you realize these guys have their dox, pictures, and have ripped every single stream and video they have ever posted. If they grow to hate or dislike the girls they can ruin their fucking lives or make the internet so inhospitable that they can't start over without their past following them.

Just imagine: Doing something really stupid like being a camwhore when you were 17 or 18, and then when you get self-respect and want to do something serious in your mid 20s you've got shitlords bringing up your old photos and videos.

>>8952365
>It's just a bunch of dudes who get off feeling like women owe them something.

It's really not, you're reading into it too much. Man like Tits. Man like Videogame - Man therefore like girl in cosplay. The buck stops there, the thought process doesn't go further. I can confirm as a guy that guys who like this shit have the mentality of cavemen - There's no overreaching conspiracy of power play involved, no subtle misogynistic superiority complex - They're not like women who understand the nuances of subtle kinks, they simply think with their penises and that's it.

Sometimes I think the biggest misgiving of this kind of feminist school of thought is giving undue credit to moronic men by trying to deconstruct their behavior and making them seem more intelligent than they actually are. They don't get off on scenarios or careful manipulation of character, they just take the fastest route to sexual satisfaction and a girl who is either submissive or slutty = less work to see tits. All the better if there's other things they like (Videogames, comics etc.) involved at the same time.

>>8952417
>as a guy
i'm male btw

urgh I didn't think everyone would SJW up the thread.

99% of cosplayers are still the regular people you see at cons. It's most definitely not "all about" fame now.

My question is when exactly was cosplay "real?" It's dressing up as fictional characters. Are you one of those people who feels personally insulted when it turns out that super petit girl doesn't actually have E cup?

>>8952203
those nails..

>>8952436

What's so SJW about this thread? Literally the only reason this thing exists is because there are nerds willing to pay for it.

>>8952417
>Man like Tits. Man like Videogame - Man therefore like girl in cosplay.

Yeah, and what better way to manipulate that situation than to continue donating $20 to her a week, making it seem like you're supporting her lifestyle and ergo her ability to continue to flounce in front of her cam and bounce her titties over GTA.
Do you think she would still like having strange men glance at her tits, use up her day locked inside the house, and buy games she's only half interested in for no pay? Do you think other men don't know that?
Why can't it be both; the "caveman" desire to fap to their bodies and the drive to financially manipulate them to continue to make it easy?
>IT'S A FEMINIST CONSPIRACYYYYY!

>>8952457

Yep, the man spending his McD paycheck to support a stranger's life style of eating junk food and dressing up in skimpy cartoon outfits is definitely the manipulating mastermind.

>for no pay?

But that's not the scenario, is it? The alternative is real work, most people prefer the easy option.

>>8952439

It becomes fake when you can't even be bothered to do the most basic research of a character (ie, read the wikipedia article) or you take credit for the work of other people to claim you are a cosmaker as well ("I'm more than tits, you guys!!").

>>8952465
It's still a scenario of financial domination.
A girl wouldn't waste her time twitching for whorebux if it only got her $5 a month, it's to support her lifestyle. And guys get off on that.

>oh and I'm a guy btw, my opinion is now valid

The supply and demand curve can both be blamed for this.

/thread

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>>8952105

>>8952479

Guys get off on naked girls, how many pure financial doms do you know of? Like they literally get off on just giving their money to a woman, with no tangible rewards in return.

I always find it hilarious that cons promote these sexy popular cosplays that attract the creepiest guys and then in the same breath say "cosplay is not consent". They advertise to bring these kinds of people to the con then say that they don't endorse creeps.

>>8952409
That's called being held accountable for acting like a dumbass in public.

>>8952494
It's supposed to be like a strip club. Look, no touch. Difference is that strip clubs have bouncers

>>8952497
Your not wrong, but you're still an asshole.

>>8952499
>tfw convention security is too busy ejecting people with outside food to care about neck/legbeards* groping people

*before the whiny robot brigade comes in: here on /cgl/, literally more than half the creepers in creeper threads are female. which makes it weird that no one has figured out how to market themselves to these pocky-munching tit-grabbing fish-scented mongoloids.

>>8952585
Oh come on how much groping is really going on? More hover hands than groping.

>>8952585
Oh but yeah girls are the real creepshotters, my gf does it all the time and it's great. No one suspects chicks being creeps.

>>8952203
ew i fucking hate this girl

My only question is that over all the wonderful hardcore and soft core stuff available now us this what people spend money on? Does girls dressing up like Pikachu in a corset get some guys off harder than a naked girl? Or is it lime the idol market where part of the sell is the girl will interact or pay attention to you through social media?

>>8952602
girls grope A LOT.
i've even had some gross furry hambeast lick my face one, just randomly out of the blue.
creeper girls are a lot worse than hoverhand neckbeards

>>8952122
Fucking ew. What the shit is this. It's the most messed up JNig ripoff I've ever seen.

>>8952457
>Why can't it be both; the "caveman" desire to fap to their bodies and the drive to financially manipulate them to continue to make it easy?

Because the second one simply doesn't happen, it's incorrect - it can't be both because it ISN'T both. The only people who partake in it are people specifically with the findom fetish, who are obviously excluded from this generalization of the swathes of men who like these cosplayers.

You're just overthinking it, it's as simple as that. I can tell you're either not male or have never had a persistent friendship with someone with this kind of male company (lucky you) because you just haven't grasped the mindset. It's a very simple hedonistic one - you'd know it if you were accustomed to it.

>it's to support her lifestyle. And guys get off on that.

No it's not - It's to get tits, it's as simple as that. You want something, you pay for it - men understand that, hence prostitution is still highly profitable centuries of years later. You don't pay a hooker to be in some kind of financial domination situation, you do it because it costs money - because you know you're not gonna see the tits if you don't pay up.

>>8952701
>that tl;dr protesting that you don't think financial domination is a thing or a fetish
Fuck you're dumb.

>>8952701
>hence prostitution is still highly profitable centuries of years later
later than what?

>>8952721

Later than our earliest forms of primitive currency I'd imagine, if not a bit before. I'm hoping you don't think prostitution is a new thing.

>>8952706
If you actually read it you'd know I made specific reference to the fact it exists and why it is separate from what we're talking about. It's right there in the second sentence of the post.
>Fuck you're dumb
The irony.

>>8952741
>"centuries of years later"
>Later than our earliest forms of primitive currency I'd imagine, if not a bit before.

are you a native English speaker? do you perhaps have a learning disorder? your logic here is very strange.

>>8952492
I met this "cosplayer" once, she has guys paying her $200-800 dollars a month just for her to say thank you to them on Instagram. One guy paid $400 to watch her feet while she played video games. People are strange.

>>8952641
My first convention I ever went to some girl kissed me on the mouth aggressively because I was dressed like her "favorite character". It grossed me the fuck out!

>>8952213
>>8952220
>>8952367
thread. Done.

>>8953137
Because:
>hence prostitution is still highly profitable centuries of years later
>later than what?

Later than it's inception, obviously. Which dates back centuries and predates modern currency. Prostitution isn't a concept conceived in 20th Century.

>>8953534
>Later than it's inception, obviously. Which dates back centuries and predates modern currency.
*its, not it's.

also, a century is only a hundred years. we have records of prostitution dating to thousands of years BCE, so your scope is a bit low. this makes you sound strange or naive. it might be an ESL issue.

second, "modern currency" is an odd phrasing in this context. do you mean paper money? digital money? if you mean money in general, drop the "modern." it just sounds weird and implies things you probably don't mean.

lastly:

>Prostitution isn't a concept conceived in 20th Century.

the 20th century actually refers to the 1900s. confusing, i know, but that't just the way it is. so your saying this sounds very strange.

hope this helps.

>>8953555
>also, a century is only a hundred years.

But I didn't say 'a century', did I? I said centuries. I could have said millenia or I could have said 'decades'. You can fit them all into thousands or even million years, so they're not wrong.

>>8953555
>the 20th century actually refers to the 1900s.

I know it does, but I don't think anyone is stupid enough to think that prostitution started post-Y2K, from the way people are acting though it seems like they don't seem to understand that men paying for sex is not some sort of contemporary practice. I use the word 'modern currency' because currency predates civilization, which I think we can agree is a little bit out of the scope of what we're talking about here.

I'm a native English speaker, are you? It sounds like you can't understand anything without it's literal definition and you incorrectly read 'Centuries' as 'Century'.

In fact, can you explain why you did that? I want to know exactly why you've interpreted a plural as singular.

>>8953575
>But I didn't say 'a century', did I? I said centuries.
yes, and it sounds odd because you are framing the discussion in terms of hundreds of years, which is a very short time. it makes you sound ill-informed.

if you want to continue to sound weird and naive, keep writing the way you do. when you defend your word choices instead of taking the advice given, you don't improve. this is part of why people react badly to your posts; it's not your ideas, but your weird expression of them. you sound like someone with a disability.

>>8953750
>it makes you sound ill-informed.

No it doesn't at all, if you can't tell the difference between 'centuries' and 'century' IE: Simple plurals, then you're the idiot and it's as simple as that.

>>8953773
>if you can't tell the difference between 'centuries' and 'century'
that was not the case, and that is a strange conclusion to reach. there was no confusion on my part between singular and plural. the point is that, when you are trying to discuss how old something is, a century is too small a unit of time to use. to say something is "centuries old" implies it is a few hundred years old; specifically, it implies a range of time less than a thousand years or two. (just like "this cosplay cost me hundreds of dollars to make" sounds cheaper than "this cosplay cost me thousands of dollars to make".)

i am genuinely trying to help you understand how your writing detracts from your ideas, but when you seize on a nonissue like this, it begins to feel tiresome, so there is no reason for me to continue.

>>8953795
>that was not the case, and that is a strange conclusion to reach. there was no confusion on my part between singular and plural.

Yes there absolutely was and I can prove it:

Original post I made:

>>8953534
>Later than it's inception, obviously. Which dates back centuries

And here's what you wrote, quoting that very post:

>>8953555
>also, a century is only a hundred years

You've totally ignored the plural and interpreted it as a singular. You have absolutely done that and it's right there for you to see. Why would I want any kind of advice on writing or self-expression from someone who makes a gaff as big as that in their post?

>>8953814
>>8953773
>>8953575
>being this retarded and proud of it

>>8953879
Technically that anon is right though.

>>8953814
>You've totally ignored the plural and interpreted it as a singular.
no. pointing out the definition of a word's root form is common practice. i can understand how a very literal reading of my post can make you think i misunderstood, but it is a bit silly to insist that i made such a weird mistake.

aside from repeating myself to assure you i did not, i do not know how else to explain. if you had said "cosplay costs dollars" and i said "a dollar is only a hundred cents," the meaning still would have been: "and therefore a dollar is too low a unit of measurement to use, even in plural form, because it implies a very low amount." without a qualifier (like "tens of thousands of centuries" or "many lots of dollars") the implication is that the amount you are describing is less than the next-higher available unit of measurement.

there appears to be nothing i can do to help you understand. right now, i am only responding for the sake of the other anons, because i do not believe you yourself are willing to communicate.

>>8953894
which is why i am trying to help them sound less strange, because they were being misinterpreted, and it makes for a painful discussion to watch.

>>8952203
holy shit this crossover. vomiting

Along with it all, the not-so-famous cosplayers are just doing the same cosplays that the "famous" ones do. Everywhere i look it's the same shit now. Armored disney, armored sailor scouts, gijinka Pokemon whatever the fuck. Now people are doing Kida from Atlantis like there's no tomorrow. Was on Instagram and saw 4 different chicks "planning" Kida for a summer cosplay.

Cosplayers are becoming such a bore.

Eh.. As someone who just got into it a few years ago.

I still enjoy going to conventions, don't see anything bad except for the awful Victoria secret angel costumes.

I never got into cosplay to see my shit online. So whatever is happening online in cosplay doesn't bother me. (I'm a guy)

This whole culture of worshiping mildly attractive girls over Instagram is weird as fuck though. It's not just cosplayers. Many girls have made it their life to accrue instagram followers. They have thousands of instagram pictures, and a legion of thirsty dudes always liking their shit.

>>8952203
She's going to give herself frostbite in that.

>>8954450
>(I'm a guy)
i'm male btw

>>8954450
I sense an Atlanta area shit lord.

>>8954713
>making one of the only females in recent movies to not be sexualized, sexual

Kill me.

>>8954744
We've come full circle

>>8952249
I dont get it. What would horny women spend money on?

>>8952249
>the female equivalent is still centered mostly on fanworks, since for some reason no one has realized the enormous potential in exploiting the fangirl market. guys who try (the "/fit/ here" types) woefully miss the mark, so all that legbeard money goes to gay fanart and itabags instead.

those would get normalfags girls, most fujos buy fanworks and itabags because those feature husbandos, not some 3DPD guy.

>>8954778
kawaii boyxboy yaoiz and bishies :33, duh

jesus christ love have you been living under a rock

>>8954778

Horny women have been spending money on K-Pop boyband shit for years, before then it was J-Rock, before then it was...etc

People have been spending money to get their rocks off since the beginning of time, both male and female. When something enters the social zeitgeist like cons or social media, it just acts as another platform for people to keep doing it.

>>8954713
I think it's stupid too, but why are girls so mad at sexuality? Like, people want to fuck. Fucking get over it.

And not only that, I never hear this fucking bellyaching when lesbians do thirsty shit. Only when straight guys are expressing their sexuality do people lose their fucking minds.

>>8952457
Doesn't have to be so complex.
The stream-nude-pay cycle is stable and optimized, thus it remains.

>>8954875

Sexuality has a time and place. Want to dress like Jessica Rabbit? Go ahead. Want to make a half naked Rey? Why? For attention?

Likewise, no one wants to see a naked Danaerys in an all-ages con, but no one would mind at DragonCon.

>>8952220
exactly. I don't like this trend either, but if I was remotely as hot or skinny as these girls and I knew how to market myself I would milk horny nerds for money too. they know they can get money and attention from it, that's the only reason they do it. it would absolutely fix itself if fanboys stopped feeding them the attention/money that these ~cosplay models ultimately aim to get out of it.

>>8952409
That sucks. I've really wanted to do streaming for awhile in a sharing, not cam whoring and doing sexy cosplay shoots way, but I've always been kind of freaked out someone'll dox me and send a fucking swat team over like I've seen happen.

>>8954913
d-do you want to play video games with me?

>>8954633
Holy shit what?

How did you know?

>>8952105
I miss the old days

>>8952213
>>8952220
>blame the consumers not the producers
Yeah I would too since these losers have absolute shit taste in cosplay.

>>8955057
apparently your attitude precedes you. maybe talk about different things now and then.

Cosplay has never been "authentic". Its literally about pretending to be someone else (fictional, no less).