Old School Lolita Thread

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>>8890614
old school angelic pretty at its best is truly sublime

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>>8890627
can anyone help me track down a decent rectangle headdress tutorial? I seem to remember there were a bunch of them about a few years back and now the only ones I can find are pretty...lacking to say the least.

>>8890627
Where can I find a decent wig like this or >>8890624 ?

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>>8890634
second example is natural hair curled and styled but you might be able to use hair pieces to achieve similar results. Sadly I think all the previous sources for ringlet wigs are all sold out, the ones that aren't shit at least.

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>>8890634
pic related on ebay (with a bit of fringe styling/trimming) looks decent

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>>8890768
also I've been wondering if pic related might be salvageable with a bit of a restyle - trim those dreadful wonky bangs, a bit of talc on the fibres to take away excess shine etc. The fibres at least don't seem too bad and the awkward top part could be mostly covered with a headdress.

Really curious to see if anyone has risked buying it for lolita.

>>8890634
Maple

Anyone have any luck with old school finds on yahoo auctions etc? Anyone secure an old school bargain of the century?

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>>8890629
I can only manage to find this and one on "therosesaresilent" blog (sorry, I'd post link, but 4chin thinks it's spam) via Fyeahlolita. Man, she needs to update her tutorials list. So many broken links.

>>8891202
I've found Baby's rococo bouquet (empire waist) and Meta's high waist gingham berry jsk for about $30-40. I wish I could find their Rabi-chan pieces.

Old-school pieces are pretty easy and cheap to find on J-auctions, although, I've noticed that due to growing popularity of older pieces, some of them are higher than it used to be; of course, some more iconic pieces like the Elizabeth OP are more typically pricey. Finding pre-dated stuff like Pretty and Manifestinage is hella hard though.

iirc, wunderwelt sells their stuff on yja.

>>8890782
This would actually work really well for wearing a full bonnet!

>>8891227
thanks anon, I really appropriate that you looked. It's a shame all the decent old ones seem to have disappeared, sadly this one doesn’t even look symmetrical to me(?). It's not so obvious with the addition of lace and bows but it does give it a very DIY amateurish look (although the fabric choices are nice).

>>8890621
I want this in the wine colorway so bad.

>>8891250
dang anon, those are such nice pieces, I love how the red tones 'pop' in both of those, especially the cherries on the gingham.

I've noticed too that I can't spot the mega bargains that I used to, makes me wonder if it's mostly overseas customers snapping them up.

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>>8891366
old school in wine, I feel you anon.

>>8891364
I'm sure you can try to modify it for a wider and more rectangular/traditional looking headdress. They're relatively easy to make - it's basically making a pillow case with lace and ribbons for your head (interfacing is optional).

>>8891376
> makes me wonder if it's mostly overseas customers snapping them up.

most likely. I went to a Baby Q&A panel and they said they've noticed the activities on J-auctions.

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I have to admit, I miss when lolita fashion was a bit more street-fashiony. And lo, I have turned into the elderly, rose-tinted nostalgia stereotype.

Don't get me wrong, many modern lolita dresses are extraordinarily beautiful, sometimes almost high-fashion like in their splendour, but the ever so slightly off-key appearance of the original style will always be where my heart is.

Old school seemed to be less about pursuit of perfection, accumulation of status pieces with a more generally consumerist outlook, and more about being an alt subculture, with the somewhat anti-establishment underpinnings that tend to go along with it.

I do wonder however that perhaps development of a more collector/hobbyist approach to the fashion has been one of the key reasons its survived so long. Also to be fair, when a fashion focuses on fabric quality and attention to detail, the only place it can really go is 'up'.

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>>8890614
Which dress is this one? I adore this one cut

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These oldschool threads are the only reason I come on here. I almost left Lolita last year because I fell so severely out of love with it. It took me a while to realize it's because I don't like modern Lolita. I mean, I do love it, but it's not what I fell in love with; it's not something I want to wear regularly. Oldschool was usually more "wearable" than modern Lolita.

>>8892180
I agree with your entire post. I do think the collectable approach is probably what has allowed the fashion to thrive. Modern Lolita has gotten so extravagant that it is very costume like, not that oldschool Lolita doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. I miss the "alt subculture" feeling the fashion used to have, and it's perfect imperfection. The pursuit of perfection in modern Lolita is so exhausting and unrealistic, even if it is beautiful.

And I am so nostalgic for oldschool. I know people tend to bash anyone with nostalgia but I don't think there's anything wrong with being nostalgic as long as you aren't romanticizing something negative. A lot of people hate on people who romanticize the 50's but honestly you can romanticize the aesthetic and ideals while still acknowledging things were shitty and not perfect in reality and there's nothing wrong with that.

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>>8892635
I'm gonna post a few pics.

I don't have a lot of energy right now, otherwise I would love to gush about older Lolita. Sorry if anything I say doesn't sound quite right or make sense.

Another thing I miss about the good ol' days: the discussions. Lolita content is pretty light these days, I loved when people have meaningful discussions about things and contributed to the culture. I really do feel like Lolita culture has changed and lost part of what made the subculture what it was.

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>>8892641
I hope one day there will be a culture shift and Lolita will come back to it's roots a bit. There has been more interest in oldschool lately, so that gives me a bit of hope that perhaps one day it will. I'd like to see brands put out more oldschool style dresses along side their modern ones.

For me personally, prints are cute, but they don't make the dress. I love the details. I love thick cotton lace and pintucking and appliques and prefer simple prints to the elaborate ones brands put out these days. That's not to say I don't like prints. There's tons of them that I love. But for me, prints aren't what Lolita is about.

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>>8892641
>>8892652

I agree with you so much, anon. I'm a HUGE sucker for oldschool and am totally nostalgic for it. I'd say about half of my wardrobe is all pre-2006, and not because I purposefully collected that way, but it's just how I ended up with buying what I really loved. There's a lot I love about current lolita, and I am a fan of OTT for the most part, even if I don't do it myself, but nothing compares to the simpler, more carefree designs. There is a ton of negativity now in Lolita that I never saw in it years ago, though there always were some small issues (just not like they are now), but the biggest thing I miss is how the clothing was much less about striving for perfection and more about just doing what you loved because you knew you looked weird, anyways.

Anywhoo, to no longer rant, I'll post some things I was able to find on the wayback machine earlier today. Big photo dump incoming~ (pic related is Victorian Maiden c. 2000)

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>>8892659

1/???
Victorian Maiden c. 2001

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>>8892661
2/???
Victorian Maiden c. 2001

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>>8892663
3/???

Metamorphose c. 2001

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>>8892669
4/???
Metamorphose c. 2001

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>>8892673
5/???
Metamorphose, c. 2001

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>>8892674
6/???
Metamorphose, c. 2001

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>>8892652
Oldschool trends I love: the more casual level poof, peeking bloomers, black shoes match everything expect shiro, appliques, chunky platform shoes, simple hair.

That's all for now from me, but I'll be back.

>>8892659
You said it well. <3
Thanks for posting what you dug up. I love searching for old photos, especially really old brand promo photos, they always look so magical or nice. This one in particular is lovely.

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>>8892677
7/???
Metamorphose, c. 2002 (I believe, could be early 2003)

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>>8892680
8/???
Metamorphose, c. 2002

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>>8892681
9/???
Metamorphose, c. 2002

(2000-2003 is truly the Golden Age of Lolita, IMO)

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>>8892681
Victorian Maiden, c. 2001 or 2002

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>>8892685
Victorian Maiden c. 2001, which means that last one is also 2001.

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>>8892689
BTSSB, c. 2002

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>>8892691
BTSSB, c. 2002

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>>8892694
BTSSB, c. 2002

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>>8892697
BTSSB, c. 2002

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>>8892700
BTSSB c. 2002

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>>8892704
BTSSB, c. 2003

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>>8892706
BTSSB, c. 2001 or 2002, can't remember which

That's all I want to do for now; I've got tons more so if people have interest then I may do another dump later tonight.

>captcha has me select candy
>of the options there is a photo of candy arranged into a swastika

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>>8892678
I lied and actually I have one more I'm gonna post.

I think my favorite period is 2005-2007, but I'm also quite fond of some things from 2008-2009 (not oldschool to most people I know) and there's lots of earlier pieces I love too.

I LOVE velvet oldschool pieces, but unfortunately I can't stand the texture of velvet, something about it makes my skin crawl. I'm so sad because the velvet pieces are always so lovely.

>>8892680
I just love how Meta has always been a little wacky.

Does anyone have pics of longer oldschool dresses that are still Lolita (i.e. not Aristocrat)? I have an old Meta dress (circa 2002-2004 as far as I can tell) and I'm having trouble coording it in an oldschool style.

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Wasn't there someone that wanted the dress on the left? Because it's at Osaka CC now. Good luck finding an SS ;_; But let me know if you do because there is a dress there I super want too..

>>8893012
hnnnrrrgh I wish. Dude I fucking wish I could get that. It's one that I have to admire from afar, because I had a Moitie dress of almost the same cut and it looked like serious shit on me; with those sleeves and that neckline, it's a really tough one to pull off.

>>8893012
Fuck me and my dream dress.
So close but so so so far away.

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>>8892181

her face....

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Somewhat relevant question. I have shoulder length hair, and I'm still growing it out. I want a hime cut, but most pics of hime cuts I see have very long hair. Do you guys think it would look okay to cut the front part to make a hime cut yet? Or should I wait a bit for my hair to get longer?

I think the shorter front would frame my face much better and should look fine with the current length, but I'd like other opinions.

Pic unrelated.

>>8893177
If you've got hair that is only just touching your shoulders I'd wait until it's definitely below shoulder length so that you don't just look like you accidentally got happy with your trimming scissors. Otherwise you're good to go with slightly shorter sidelocks (i.e. no longer than being in line with your mouth), depending on your face shape you may want to take them up as high as being in line with your nose.

>>8893012
Holy shit. My partner is heading to Osaka this evening, wonder if he could be persuaded to do some shopping for me...

>>8893331
Please help me get my DD from there too ;_; will pay

>>8893338
I just asked him, but the problem is he's going on a late train so won't make shopping hours today and is already booked up to do stuff for most of tomorrow, so it's only a slim chance that he'll be done in time to get out to CC tomorrow.

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I just bought another piece that was on my wishlist.
My birthday is on the 11th so this is an early b-day gift to myself.
Bought it through buyee/rakuten, it's still up on the original wwelt site so I hope everything went well.
Normally I buy direct from wwelt but I love using buyee to combine packages and save on shipping and customs fees.

My wishlist is now mainly old school.
And "mid" school (2008 to 2012) sorry for the lack of a proper term.
What should we call that period, seriously?
It's nothing like the stuff they make now but it isn't old school either.

>>8892722
amazing image drops anon, I haven't seen some of these in years and others I've never seen before.

would anyonebe interested in a wardrobe post, oldschool edition?

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>>8893571
mid-era seems ok to me?

That's a beautiful piece anon, I love the matching bolero and corset arm lacing details.

I picked up related image a few days ago, also as a birthday gift to myself. It was very cheap in lolita fashion terms, even with the fees, shipping etc. It's not the prettiest thing out there but it still has acertain old school charm for me. I'm actually really excited to receive it and looking forward to going fully old school on its ass.

>>8893598
Definitely!

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>>8893598
hell-to-the-yes anon

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>>8893619
another little reminder that rectangle headdresses weren't the only old school era head-wear

what do you guys consider old-school prints, or like do you think old-school only should be about non-printed items?

I somehow think things like imai kira birdcage skirt is pretty old-school

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>>8893604
I just happened to be going through scans from GLB volume 2 to drop a few pics in this thread and stumbled across pic related - it looks like the same dress(?), albeit with some minor lace detailing differences. Oh man, I'm even more excited to receive it now.

GLB scans are still up at jmagazinearchives on blogspot by the way for anyone that's interested. Sadly a few of them don't seem to work, if anyone really wants some of the missing scans, I can probably track them down on one of my old hard drives but it may take a while.

>>8893630
There were definitely some prints being produced pre ~2006 which I think everyone considers properly old school, but for me personally prints take the piece into a different aesthetic. Generally I'd say that "old school friendly" prints don't use many different colours, tend to be more simple and are often screen prints or embroidered appliqués rather than prints as they are in their current form.
This is purely subjective, of course.

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>>8893630
I think pretty much anything say, pre-2006/7ish could be considered an old school print, the same rough time frame for all 'old school' items in general really. I think they are just as relevant, it's just people seem to make the distinction because of the relatively modern focus on prints as a whole.

I'd like to see more old school prints posted here anyway anon. If you haven't seen it already, this thread on egl may be of interest: http://egl.livejournal.com/13813157.html

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>>8893637
I think this could just be about a more quintessential image of oldschool that has developed, rather than technicalities and the full picture of how the fashion used to look.

I think styling has a lot to do with it as well. If you really want to create an 'authentic' appearing old school coordinate using older pieces with a print, I think as long as you keep the accessories and styling compatible with the old school era (no obvious anachronisms) then you will still probably successfully capture the 'feel' or essence of old school. Pic related for instance still strikes me very much as old school, and I think it would even if I wasn't aware of the age of the snap.

That's my take on it though, I'm sure people will have their own sense of what represents old school authenticity as well.

Just thought this might be worth a mention on here - I'm undeniably nostalgic when it comes to lolita fashion as well, however I think the '10-misconceptions-lolitas-have-about' post on fyeahlolita blogspot makes some very good points, particularly the ones under the header 'Brands are big faceless corporations that have no idea what their customers want' and 'Lolita brands have strayed too far from their roots! They only release prints now/cater to the OTT crowd/follow some silly trend'.

Even bearing these points in mind though, the sense of a 'somewhat anti-establishment subculture' doesn’t seem as strong as it used to be, but then it's hard to gauge how much this may or may not reflect reality, especially given how the more visible lolita communities tend to function now. Tumblr for instance certainly feeds into the idea that lolita is about acquisitions, where creating the most widely visually pleasing ensembles will result in the most 'notes'. Some people do seem to care about 'notes' as a sort of social currency but again, most prolific/visible doesn’t give an accurate picture of the entire community.

Perhaps what I’m getting at here is, I’m not entirely sure what lolita is any more, it seemed a lot easier to get a sense for it during the peak of the LJ egl era because there was so much discussion and information exchanging going on.

This isn't even supposed to be an angsty 'I don't even know what you are any more'! Type statement, I just genuinely really don't feel like I have a grasp of lolita fashion culture in the way that I used to. Not in a 'kids these days' kinda way, just conceptually really.

Maybe it's time for grandma to sit down, I dunno.

>>8893598
I would certainly love to see/ do this.

Also, if anyone wants a quick little challenge, I would like to see people put together a floordinate of the favorite old school piece (or pieces, if you want to do more than one). I'm at work right now, but I'll make one and post tonight.

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>>8893756
This may be a response to one of my comments. Don't get me wrong, I'm aware that some brands release older style dresses now and then! It's just that they are often the same two or three dresses (and usually it's BABY), and sometimes they are made with different materials that take away from the oldschool feeling. What I'd really like to see is a more equal representation of oldschool and modern Lolita done by all the major brands one day. On the whole, Lolita these days is too caught up in trendiness, and undeniably focused too much on prints, but I'm also aware that's how the designers are making money and the fashion is continuing to thrive.

I believe that as Lolita grew with the internet, a lot of the culture was lost. I think Lolita's shift to a visual and light content culture helped the fashion to survive and grow, but it diluted the subculture to a ghost of it's former self.

I'm not sure anyone truly knows what Lolita is anymore. To many people, it's just clothes, but to many others, it's so much more, and regardless of whichever side of that fence a person is on, Lolita is a subculture. Now that the culture has changed into something so different and shallow (I'm sorry I don't have a better word to use), I don't think anybody can say what exactly it is.

Again, sorry if this isn't worded very well! I sometimes have trouble communicating thoughts efficiently.

>>8893596
Thanks! I really love these outfits.

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>>8893853
This is one of my favorite Lolita pictures. I don't know why. It doesn't showcase the clothes, and it's not particularly magical looking. But something about it made Lolita feel "real" for me when I first seen it.

>>8893252
Yeah, it goes a little past my collar bone. My hair grows fast, so I guess I can wait for an inch or two more. It's just a little frustrating when the only reason I'm growing it out is for a hime cut. Thanks!

>>8893853
hey anon, it's that >>8893756 anon - the comment wasn't aimed at anyone in particular really, it was more of a brain fart of thoughts taking up space in my head after reading the various posts here.

I think it may have also been a way of trying to express how I still feel about things in spite of the apparent misconceptions defined in the fyeahlolita blogspot post, a post which could perhaps be interpreted as an attempt to refute some of the common whinges that come up when discussing the apparent virtues of old school. It seems easier to dismiss some of the thoughts expressed here, and perhaps file them under 'cognitive biases' of some description, rather than fully address the thoughts and sometimes concerns that keep popping up in order to open up dialogue in interesting ways.

The 'just clothes' approach is frustrating to me as well in that it's never 'just clothes' is it(?), it sounds like a bit of a cop-out. Unless your clothing is purely practical, there's always going to be more of a story to tell, particularly with a relativity outlandish fashion like lolita. Sure your interest in the fashion may not come with a particular ideology or lifestyle but it's not 'just clothes'. If you simply just find the clothing beautiful, the chances are you find it beautiful for a number of reasons - there are many beautifully detailed fashions out there but the fact you chose lolita in particular probably has some significance.

'Just clothes' might be a handy way of saying 'stfu I don't have to psychoanalyze this shit for your benefit' or whatever, in which case fair enough, but I do think a platform for discussing the fashion beyond the surface fundamentals may help to ground it and help form a more modern of a sense of what it actually 'is'. Tumblr for instance with it's focus on images and handy snippets of text doesn't seem like like the best platform for establishing an impression of a fully-formed fashion sub-culture.

i think why i love these old school threads the most is not because of the clothes (even if i squeal with delight at all the perfect imperfections) but its because you guys actually discuss things like we used to do back then. im not that good with words so i really do love reading your opinions and thoughts on lolita on a more deep level. also understanding the history, to understand what lolita is today and why.

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>>8894008
Replying to my own post like a champ

Or um, perhaps this is still a convoluted way of saying I'm not really a millennial and don't understand 'kids these days' because maybe I’m not meant to.

I'd be interested to hear what newer follows of the fashion (post 2010-ish say) think of all this, particularly those who have interest in its history and origins. I'd be curious to find out whether they have a sense of lolita as a fashion sub-culture.

Anyway, at times like this when my head starts to fill with lolita fashion related mind-guff, I like to refer myself back to pic related. Yeah, it's technically 'old school' era but seems timeless in sentiment in many ways.

>>8894066
'I want to become a lolita, you say.
So become one, I reply.
What can I do to look like a lolita?
I have no words with which to reply to this.
You need a headdress, don't you? And a pannier.
Is this coordinate strange?
Is it not wrong for lolita?
Why do you want to do lolita?
Because it's trendy, because my friends do it...
If that's the case, you have no right to wear lolita.
If you just do what the others do, you will look like a lolita.
But I want you to think about something.
Who do you live for?
You think you want to be yourself, but you are afraid of isolation.
You yell that you want to be free, but you take comfort in following convention.
When you are praised for something you don't even feel comfortable with, are you really satisfied?
Girls who wear Vivienne Westwood but don't even know the Sex Pistols.
Even when wearing a jersey, a princess is a princess.
My lolita rules are mine alone.
So you are the only one who can find your own lolita rules.
My god and your god are different, aren't they?
There are angels who wear elegant dresses and play tambourines,
But there are also angels wearing armour and carrying swords whose job it is to fight.
I can't answer your question.
But there are a lot of hints all around you.
You just haven't noticed yet.
What you feel is right is your answer.
Sew frills onto the hem of your heart!
Put a tiara on top of your soul!
Have pride.'

translation by The Osaka Koneko on lj

>>8894066
A friend of mine and me got into lolita around 2013, both with a big interest in the origins and old subculture. We both wear old school a lot (I wear it close to daily) and I can say I really lament not being there when the subculture was a subculture instead of just costumey tea parties and photoshoots.

>>8893571
Nice, it's so cool to see people on here post things they bought that I saw up for sale. I saw this and wanted to snap it up just cause it's old school and amazing but told myself no, I kinda want to catch them all, I already have the bordeaux version so it seemed kinda silly. It's a very lovely op irl, has a nice weight to it and looks really good with an old school bonnet.

>>8894093
>the feels

seriously, those were some good timees

>>8894118
I'm not a fan of photoshoots or costumey-ness at all. I put up with photos cause it's a part of the whole thing, but in all my group photos it's rare that I'm actually looking directly at the camera, I just don't care. I'm not interested in posing or putting on an act, somehow I end up looking decent, but I get no satisfaction from it at all. It's nice having something to remember the event by, and I don't mind a few shots, but I've been to events where it feels like the bulk of the event, and that's weird.

The costumey-ness is weird, I feel no attraction towards it, or having the latest trendiest accessories, does nothing for me, I find girls generally end up a gaudy mess anyway. Same with the latest prints, if it weren't for old school I don't think I'd be into lolita at all, save for a few modern pieces that I could pull off in a borderline casual way.

>>8894155
I like having photos as a memory of the event, but the whole posing in three different poses and girls bringing professional cameras irks me a bit. I'm not photogenic and I don't need sixteen photos of my coord, I'd much rather have one and then nice some photos of the venue and such.
Definitely agree with the trendy thing, luckily trends aren't big in my community..

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I just picked this up and I have no idea what it is, only that it's innocent world. I tried finding it on lolibrary but nothing really matches, there's a tag for Velveteen Tiered JSK on there so I went with those measurements and crossed my fingers. I'm not sure it's actually right though, it also has the classic rose lace on the shoulder straps, has anyone seen it before?

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>>8894188
Shot of the lace on the straps, it's also coming with a headpiece which is pretty cool!

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>>8894192
A shot of the back, notice the way the straps button to the bodice, I've never seen that before.

>>8894188
I tried to track it down but no joy, sorry it's not helpful but I just wanted to comment that it's gorgeous and a great find. Would you mind saying how much you paid for it(?), I hope one day to own something similar.

>>8894228
I found it for 60,00, I was watching it for a bit and it was originally 70,00 and noticed she started lowering the price by 5,00 each day so decided to grab it!

>>8894066
I'm newish! Bought my first stuff in 2012.
I've always been pretty aware of the roots lolita has. I think it's interesting. At the same time, I always feel kind of troubled by the "lifestyle" or "it's not just clothes" aspect. It seems kind of fake, to me. Not that there's anything fake about liking cute things, but saying "I am this way /because/ I am a lolita" or vice versa seems kind of forced. I've personally never been fond of saying "she /is/ a lolita" like it's some sort of identity. This was obviously a huge part of the subculture aspect in the early days, but it seems kind of meaningless now considering lots of people just kind of dabble.
I've also never really felt strongly about the community aspect of lolita. I only joined about a year ago, but I feel like my local comm is just girls with similar clothing hanging out and talking about makeup or food or something. The Facebook page is just a circlejerk of "pls give me likes/look at my things". The bigger pages like CoF are even worse. /cgl/ is nice, but slowly becoming less anonymous and more tumblr.
I can understand why people would have a strong sense of identity/community as a subculture, but I don't think I'd participate even if it wasn't dead. I just love wearing cute clothes every day, so I wear cute clothes. I don't really care about what other people think, I just enjoy spending time trying on and coordinating my clothing. I didn't start buying BTSSB because I wanted to be "a Lolita" but because I appreciated the style I saw online and I wanted to create a similar look. And I got hopelessly hooked.

Anyways that's how I feel about this stuff as a newbie. Maybe I'll be a grandma of the community someday.

>>8894250
6000 yen? 60 dollars? Either way anon, that's an amazing price for such a beautiful jsk, I'm in love with that deep, rich red velvet too

>>8894283
I always feel kind of troubled by the fact that the subculture/lifestyle aspects of lolita seem to bother new lolitas so much. Just because you don't personally identify with that part of lolita/see it as a subculture doesn't make the people who do so "forced". I suppose for me, if someone is being themselves, even if I find it cringy, it's still not forced because that's just who they are.
I would also wager that you struggled to connect with your local community because the people in it are similar to you-- into lolita purely because you like the style, as opposed to having deeper things or related hobbies in common that come with viewing lolita like a subculture.

>>8892635
>I almost left Lolita last year because I fell so severely out of love with it. It took me a while to realize it's because I don't like modern Lolita. I mean, I do love it, but it's not what I fell in love with; it's not something I want to wear regularly. Oldschool was usually more "wearable" than modern Lolita.

Holy shit anon it's exactly the same here. I mean i do like my jewellry jelly,creamy soda pop and lotte a lot but i really fell in love with old school lolita and yeah.

>>8894301
>6000 yen? 60 dollars?
6000 yen! Just scour all the auction sites you can find and I'm sure something will pop up, have patience and be diligent! I'm kind of a velveteen addict myself, I'm wondering if it'll ever end. Everytime I see something that is old school, solid color and velveteen, I feel I have to have it, it's the only thing that ever gives me the strong feels. Auction finds are just so much more exciting than anything you can buy in a brand shop.

Old school simply has the best attention to detail, and the quality is always fantastic. Being a bit older it has a history to it, so I'm generally curious who owned it and how and where they wore it, what got them into lolita, if they ever got together with their friends to harajuku or if they were brave enough to wear it alone, were they avid fans of the glb, what did their parents think, etc.

>>8894283
I can certainly understand this perspective and I think a lot of people may feel the same way. I've never really identified as a lolita lifestyler or introduced myself as or defined myself as 'a lolita'.

Having said this, every time I wore lolita I almost felt like I was tapping into aspects associated with lolita culture, rather than feeling like it completely defined me. Back during the peak of lolita lj communities, there did still seem to be a commonality in terms of fascination with escapism and the almost otherworldly fairytale feel of lolita. Despite all our differences, we often seemed to bond over a dissatisfaction with modern western fashion and a rejection of many mainstream aesthetic ideals, particularly those aimed at women.

I think a lot of people could relate to the 'cute against society' aspects of the fashion as discussed in Sharon Kinsella's 'Cuties in Japan' essay as well, even if they weren't particularly interested in being brazenly rebellious with 'alt girl' type swagger.

In addition to this, there seemed to be a sense of the empowerment that came from dressing in such a stylised, hyper-feminine fashion whilst being very much an independent individual, perhaps even the epitome of a 'modern day woman' in many ways. I think a lot of lolitas could relate to rejecting what a modern day woman was supposed to look like.

The 'in ur feminism ruining your discourse' macro seemed to be pretty popular on egl for instance and was doing the rounds for a while, I can’t find it though sadly.

>>8894374
>Being a bit older it has a history to it, so I'm generally curious who owned it and how and where they wore it

Yes! I adore the quiet satisfaction that comes with feeling like I own a piece of history, it makes me feel so happy. If I happen to find old school snaps of the same item being worn as well, then it's really the cherry on the cake for me.

I am a sucker for old school it has something "new" lolita doesnt have and lacks to me. Probably because old school is the lolita i fell in love with. I do like some of the new things like some prints but i really prefer old school.
Also i like how much more wearable and casual(?) it was before.
I personally think the golden age for lolita was like...2008 or so? because LJ was super active,lolita wasnt too popular to be ruined by all the fame hungry and special snowflake girls we have now (they were always there but much less before) yet popular enough to be discussed on lj and forums and all that. That's what i miss the most. Discussion. Lolita felt like something special,a whole culture,... now it's like i cant even define what it is. I might be acting like a grandma right now but i think lolita just...strayed too far from its roots. The OTT boom around 2010 ruined it all for me

>>8894421
>Despite all our differences, we often seemed to bond over a dissatisfaction with modern western fashion and a rejection of many mainstream aesthetic ideals, particularly those aimed at women.

I'm so curious about this, cause I feel like now more than ever are we being given the chance to express ourselves in a more eccentric fashion when we're talking day to day clothing for women, we can also own and wear more than one style. I love the normie clothes I wear, I thrift everything, go for the colorful patterned silk blouses, secretary dresses, flowy vintage stuff that all feels very feminine and elegant and modest, it's completely me and my style, but perhaps by extension this is yet another rejection of the modern aesthetic and its ideals. I think it's the quiet modest elegance that attracted me to lolita in the first place.

I can't remember where I read it, but it's currently an issue with latest fashion that there's no longer a broad audience to target. I imagine that it may in part be due to internet, but I think it's also the fact that fashion is out of touch with the wants and needs of women in general.

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>>8894066
Ah I wasn't sure if it was general musing or a reply! Either way I figured I'd clarify.

I totally agree with what you've said. It really is never "just clothes." I can understand if someone isn't interested in the deeper conversation, but if it really was just clothes and northing more, you wouldn't choose to wear something like Lolita. If you are wearing it, it means something to you.

I got into the fashion in 2008-2009, so I'm not that old I suppose! I did my Lolita growing up being influenced very much by old school and the subculture/lifestyle, so I feel older than I am. I'm technically a millennial but find it hard to connect with other people in my immediate age group because of different interests.

>>8894051
Honestly I'm glad to hear this! It's the only reason I come on here. I'm terrible with words too but I still want to try to express my feelings a little. I don't have an online presence, so I hope by contributing with positivity and discussion that maybe I can help inspire others to do the same.

>>8894155
I like artistic photoshoots, ones that showcase the Lolita spirit or a magical feeling, but I agree with you.

>>8894331
This troubles me too! Nobody has to participate if they don't want to, but it doesn't mean it's fake! I'm very much being my real self, I just happen to have several hobbies and interests that are Lolita-like, and I love Lolita so much that I enjoy talking about it and adding touches of beauty to other parts of my life. I also am a nice person and believe in good manners, Lolita or not, and honestly it scares me how many times I've been told that being polite is being fake. I personally believe if you are out in Lolita, you are representing the fashion and you should be generally nice and well mannered in public.

>>8894353
I was having a Lolita crisis for two years before I nearly left. Looking back at old photos and blogs was what made me realize I still loved Lolita deeply, just not modern Lolita.

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Sorry to everyone in this thread for all my ramblings! I enjoy having real discussions though, and as a lone Lolita I don't have anyone to share my feelings and ideas about the fashion with. I'll try to dig up some good pictures to make up for it!

>>8894421
I actually don't refer to myself as a Lolita either, I don't like it very much, not really sure why. Though, I thought "Lolita-chan" was cute even if it was a bit weeby.

>>8894443
>Lolita felt like something special, a whole culture... now it's like i cant even define what it is.
This is how I feel so much, to a point it makes me a bit sad, and I'm sure many others do too. I also agree that 2007-2008 was it's prime. 2010 was when things really changed quite a lot. Change isn't always bad, but still... It just isn't what I love.

>>8894331
Totally true about the community thing. And kind of a shame. Do you think you could still call the online community a subculture today, considering how vast it is?
>>8894421
Reading these posts I kind of want to take back what I said. I neglected the idea that the main theme from this sort of identification in the subculture is the escapism. Of course there was going to be things that seemed forced. In fact, now I'm thinking back to all the stories anons shared about surviving domestic abuse and such and using the lolita subculture as a beacon of hope and I feel borderline guilty. I'm sorry, anons.
That being said, it's pretty irritating when old school girls try to push their ideals onto the newer lolitas. Especially by criticizing people for enjoying the fashion however they do. Is spending 45 minutes at a meet taking photos of your $2000 coord annoying? Yes. But not any more annoying than rolling your eyes in group photos (cough cough earlier in the thread) or adopting a slight persona.

>>8892216
The caption on this is pretty funny.
>Point of fashion: 2 months of part time job salary

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>>8894509
I think the important thing that both sides of the fashion need to remember, is to live and let live. Lolita is different for everyone, and everyone is different. Enjoy what you love without telling someone else what they should be doing. It's okay if you like the more shallow side of the fashion, and it's okay if you are deep into the lifestyle stuff. Make Lolita your own beautiful fairy tale, whatever that means to you personally. We're all just trying to find our own happiness, so we all need to respect each other's personal quests.

>>8894540
That's hilarious and cute! I feel it, ha ha. I can't read anything other than English, I always feel like I might be missing out on things like that.

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>We have accepted your order.
Be still, my beating heart.

I love red and white old school too much. I'd love to one day get my hands on some red velveteen with white lace, too. Thank you, Baby, for still doing old school style releases.

>>8894570
>We're all just trying to find our own happiness, so we all need to respect each other's personal quests

absolutely anon, I don't think many people would actually disagree with this sentiment, even if the odd rant might feel cathartic at times.

I don't think discussions about the seeming lack of a discernible modern lolita subculture necessarily needs to be polarising though, or about an attempt to divide lolita fashion followers into 'us and them' or 'old school 'authenticity' vs 'shallow' newbies'.

I still think there's value in the discussion of lolita fashion culture, and through such discussion we may start to be able to address and even begin to form a sense of what modern lolita fashion actually is to people.

Trying to navigate the current popular media platforms for lolita fashion can feel a bit, not necessarily shallow, but superficially social perhaps, and don't always seem to really foster a sense of community or common identity.

I think lolita fashion could benefit from a place similar to (the now outdated) LJ, especially for those that like to discuss various topics and add other content in addition to the imagery.
I don't think there are any thriving communities like this around at the moment though(?). I can see something happening in the near-future perhaps, especially as people are continuing to leave places like tumblr, facebook etc.

Instagram for instance seems to be growing stronger each year but it's also primarily revolves around photo-sharing rather than discussion amongst its users, at least as I understand it anyway.

>>8894634
It's beautiful anon, congrats! If you pair this with white chunky shoes on white lace socks rather than go for red, I may just love you forever - I'm such a sucker for that look and feel like I don't see it enough.

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>>8894666
Thanks, anon! My red shoes won't come in until the end of March, so I'll probably wear it with white RHS first. I'll post it to CoF or something if I get a good pic.

Pic related is girl wearing Elizabeth OP, ultimate dream dress I will probably never own.

>>8894749
I saw this somewhere for $800 in this colour, either mercari or fril

>>8894878
I saw it for 2000 yen the year before last, but in beige

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>>8894650
Yes, I know shallow wasn't the best word to use but I couldn't think of a better one. Superficial is much better!

After all my rambling , I do want to say that I do think the light content has it's place. Being able to see so many lovely pictures of people sharing their outfits is great, and for the most part you can make your Lolita experience your own with how things have come along. I do think the modern Lolita subculture could benefit greatly with a stronger sense of community. I would like to eventually see a more even mix of both discussions and light content.

Anyway, as promised, here's some pictures I dug up to make up for all my endless talking.

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>>8895040
last one

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Does anyone have any info as to what the the year or name of this dress is? I recently got it in ivory but I've never seen anything about it other than this glb shoot

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>>8892211
That print sure gets around. I love it though

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I just got his in the mail, I'm so excited to wear it! I want to do a Momoko inspired coord, kinda also want to drive into the country and do a photoshoot in a field. Does anyone have any Kamikaze Girls sweet lolita outfits?

>>8895210
Maybe this blog will give you some inspiration: http://momokoscloset.tumblr.com/

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>>8895061
It was in the GLB vol. 6, released at the end of 2002. The kanji is too hard for me to read, but the pink box says "[kanji] no Alice-chan Set". Can't find it on Lolibrary, sorry.

>>8895371
The actual product info are in top left. It's simply Dress with cape (I can't read the two characters after 'one-piece ' because too blurry )

>>8895403
Oh, I see now. Yeah, the kanji is too blurry. But I guess this is one of those old school dresses without a real original name, making it hard to track down.

>>8894093
Th... that sounds so metal

>>8895061
Does it come with the roses, or are they just for the promo?

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>>8895245

Damn. There's a tumblr for everything.

>>8895371
>>8895403 Thank you for the translations! Sad that it doesn't have a name,though.

>>8895804 It's just for the promo,unfortunately!

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I will also contriboot

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>>8895901
also sorry if I repost I will try my best not to

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>>8894066
I started wearing Lolita around 3 years ago and turned 19 last year, so I've always had a nostalgia for the old school times because I was really small back when they were around. Even if I'd wanted to I wouldn't have been able to participate, so I just try to make up for it by wearing old school and skipping through old lifestyle posts on EGL.

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I just got this JSK but have no idea which it is? All I know is its by Baby..

Its not the 2006 scalloped JSK as this one is velvet so I'm super lost.. Lace is yellowing so I am leaning towards the idea its older rather than a newer release.. But I really have no idea..

Any chance anyone can ID?

>>8895996
Apologies for sideways.

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>>8895996
It could be the 2006 release. There was a velveteen version of it that year. Pic related is the ivory version, because lolibrary doesn't have the black and white one.

http://lolibrary.org/apparel/velveteen-hem-scallop-jsk-2006

>>8895911
>tfw no oldschool lolita bff to shiro/kuro twin with

>>8893604
That's such a cute piece!

>>8894143
I had this on wishlist for a long time, glad you didn't snatch it up hehe.
The bordeaux was also on my wishlist, usually I have 2 or 3 colors in there to keep options open iyswim?
But I was afraid that might be more difficult to coord.
Did yours also come with the choker? I've been wondering if that also could be used as a headdress?

>>8895759
kek. I've always found lolita to be pretty badass (especially old school), albeit in a relatively low-key kinda way.

>>8894993
>I would like to eventually see a more even mix of both discussions and light content.

I think this pretty much sums it up. I think the crux of all this is that without both discussion and light content, there is no real discernible modern lolita culture, at least not in terms of community, even of the extremely diverse kind.

The words of Novala Takemoto are a wonderful statement of staying true to one's convictions and they do kinda hit right in the feels. In terms of lolita fashion culture however, being self actualised is great 'an all but we're not just heads in jars (no man is an island blah blah). Even with a loose sense of community, you can still reap all the benefits that come with cohesiveness amongst a group of people, even if things never quite reach a point of a more apparent social solidarity as seen back in the earlier days of livejournal.

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>>8894353
>I still loved Lolita deeply, just not modern Lolita.
Me too guys. Me too.
I know it's unhealthy but i kinda live in nostalgia by browsing old lolita related things,old lolita forums, old egl posts,old getoffegfl,olds japanese blogs and old blogs,... I love these thread because i feel like if i was transported back there where lolita was at its best (to me at least)....
I miss coming back from school or a day and reading new posts on egl,stalking japanese blogs and listening to some music on youtube while eating a small slice of cake i sometimes bought on my way home

>>8895925
I'm turning 20 at the end of the year and only could start wearing lolita well...now but i knew about lolita ever since i was around 12-13 and so...i kinda "grew up" with old school.

Hey guys, I'm working on a coord now and I was wondering, are there any examples in oldschool of hats worn? Not bonnets. And short sleeves? Thanks!

>>8890631
This is exactly what I've been looking for! Does anyone know where I can get it?

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>>8896437
I'm one of the AYRT, and to be honest, I've been living in old school Lolita nostalgia lately too.

Something really bad happened to me almost right after I first discovered Lolita, so the fashion and the subculture was a candle in the dark for me (I know it's pretty cliché). I came home from school and would buzz through EGL and pour over dreamy photoshoots and lifestyle blogs and check BABY. I was already a day-dreamer with an interest in many Lolita-appropriate things, so it felt like I finally found where I belonged. I told myself that one day I would wear Lolita all the time and live focused on positivity and finding beauty in life.

Of course, 8 years later and I'm still not there yet. Life's been tough. So far I still only have a few Bodyline dresses and I hardly ever wear them. But I still find hope in it (I just wish the fashion and culture hadn't changed so much from back then) and I want to work harder to finally do what I told myself I would. I'll get there one day soon.

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>>8896816
This set of pictures was taken pretty recently, but I love them. So glad I found them.

Also, wow, sorry for my sappy story. I didn't realize how pathetic it sounded when I wrote it.

>>8896424
This is well worded and I agree! <3

>>8896567
Yes off course, straw boater hats were used frequently for country lolita

>>8896031
Thank you! For whatever reason I could not find this one.. but I believe it is that one!

Ill add my image to the page.

>>8896437
Will you share some links to your favorites?

Hey, girls. I want to order bodyline's l348. Which is better b/w or solid black?

>>8899795
They're both good so it depends on your personal taste more than anything. I can vouch for the b/w version, it's very nice.

>>8896729
Her name is Lauren, but I don't think she's for sale

Does antaina sell bodyline-like rhs with sole partially removed at the back?

>>8900389
Yes, you can find a few in this section.
https://antaina-youyou.world.taobao.com/category-224782180.htm?spm=a312a.7700824.w4010-2293493309.41.sITB5S&search=y&catName=nana%D0%AC%C4%BE%CE%C6%B5%D7#bd

They will also custom make shoes for you if you ask. You can ask for just about any design.

I really like anna house's skirts but they are sooo short. I am ~5'7"
I know that in old school skirts are shorter than in modern lolita but can I do it? AH one will be about middle of my thigh.

>>8902876
I have a Anna House skirt (so old it isnt on the website anymore) but woah? Is it really that short on you? I am about 5"4 and it reaches my knees almost covering them. Try some ruffly underskirt?

Though the elastic was dead. That or a fatty stretched it because it wouldnt stay at my hips and even less at my waist. It would just drop. Like my bloomers with my girlfriend.

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I thought I'd seen somewhere link to big oldschool archive, but can't find it now. Also I remember that this site will close soon. Help me, please

>>8902965
You mean Avant Gauche?

>>8902968
Yes! Thank you, sis!

Does anyone know what the first print was? Was it Meta's Thorn print (2000) or did motie have them beat with something earlier?

>>8902876
Try Karami skirt from Baby if you can find it. Mine is probably from 2010 release and it covers my knees easily. I'm 5"4 tall tho but it is still longer than most of the skirts I own.

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>>8902968
>Avant Gauche
WHAT?

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>>8902876
I'm 5'4 and have this skirt from Anna House. It's wearable for me, but it's definitely on the short side. Bloomers are a must. I would ask them if they can do a custom length for you. They do custom sizing, colors, and even did a custom sleeve design for me, so I'd say your chances are good.

>>8903413
sadly it looks like you missed previous old school threads where we discussed Avant Gauche's closing. Several anons from here swooped in and saved all the images so if there's a specific pic you're after, someone may have it. Also there are still some scans about for what it's worth: >>8893634
>GLB scans are still up at jmagazinearchives on blogspot

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Just bought this and now I'm looking for my first bonnet, hopefully someone can help. I don't think the one currently on the meta site would match, as this appears to be the 2010 release of the print and the colors look different to me

>>8903559
The one you bought is from 2001 or close to

Are self posts allowed here? I wore my first Old School coord about a week ago, and I'm looking for feedback/concrit etc, because as lovely as my friends are, they're not going to tell me if anything looks off or wrong about it.

>>8904115
If you're worried about it you can always self post to the coord help thread

>>8904045
Oh god no wonder I couldn't find any bonnets that matched. I guess I'll have to just make a lace headdress to match, would a round one look good?

Does anyone have oldschool hair/make-up scans.

Prepping a coordinate for this weekend and I'd love some ideas.

>>8904115
Yes please do, anything to give this thread life.

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What can I do to make this look more oldschool? I have some UTKs in the mail. Also am I too much of a fatty for this? If so, I'll gladly sell it.

>>8904677
I don't really like everything from the knees down here. I think just plain white socks with some lace on them and some clunkier white or pink shoes would be better.

You don't look super fat or something but it does look like the outfit is slightly stretched a bit on you. I think you could maybe find a better fit with something else. Very cute JSK, though!

>>8904689
Yeah I want a pair of white tea parties really bad, I've been waiting for them to go on sale. I will have to sell this, it definitely does look stretched even though I have plenty of room left with the shirring

>>8904705
I think it's a combination of the the blouse looking too small with the jsk, especially looking at the length of sleeves, maybe I'm wrong but it doesn't look comfortable. I think if you found a more proper fitting blouse then the jsk would balance it out and it wouldn't look as ill fitted.

Agreed with from the knees down, and I'm not sure about the wrist cuffs, were they a thing during old school?

Also the makeup around the eyes doesn't feel like it's gelling with an old school sweet style, I would lighten it up a bit.

>>8904705
Tea party shoes are fine if you wear sweet in general but they won't work with old school. As for the shoes you're wearing in this coord, I think that non matching black shoes are fine in old school but I'm not sure that this specific pair does the trick. Just be my opinion though.

>>8904715
Wrist cuffs were definitely a thing in 2008 because I remember people putting them on their ankles lol

Thanks for the help, I love the look of oldschool. Hopefully next time I can do something much better

>>8904786
2008 isn't old school, 2005 is the cut off, 2006 is pushing it, if you're going for a purist look I wouldn't include them.

>>8904799
Oh... That explains a lot.

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How are the bodyline RHS, are they comfy? Is the sizing accurate or do I need to go up or down a bit? Is there a better place to buy them?

>>8904874
I love mine! There's no padding in the footbed, but it's flat. The foam soles are light and quiet.
Size wise, they're a bit narrow, I went up half a centimeter.

>>8904677
You should try rag curling your hair, ringlets would make this look more old school. And do something different with your makeup.

>>8904874
I own a pair of real wood and leather RHS (not VW; some unmarked replica) and recently ordered BL ballerina RHS.

The BL pair looks good, but the wooden pair is much more stable and comfortable. They are made of very stiff PU and quite narrow, so if you have wide feet like mine I'd recommend you size up. Socks, shoe inserts (not gel please) and maybe stick-on blister pads are necessary. Straps on the ballerina style tend to fall down when my foot changes position (i.e, after I've been sitting for a long time; I had to safety pin over the back of the top straps to my socks to prevent this happening.

In short, they're a lot of work to wear, but they do look ~very~ good. I'm waiting for BL to restock their short cross strap RHS because I am a sucker for punishment.

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>>8905340
Seconding the makeup bit. I'd probably tone it down. The only harsh makeup I see would be typical of gothic styles, but it was sort of done in the most 90s way ever.

You could also put your hair into braids which can be left down or worn up like this. If not, then maybe you can consider the hime-cut (which can be worn in addition to your braids) which is synonymous with old-school looks.

>>8906537
I think this one is a bit much, more like ott sweet makeup. The first one is ok but you could go without falsies depending on how nice yours are, or use partial ones.

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>>8904677
Hey anon, that's a beautiful jsk and I think the colour really suits you. I do feel however that a long sleeved blouse would look a lot more flattering overall. Ditch the wrist cuffs, I don't think they are necessary and also are not strictly old school.

I would recommend a more substantial headdress ideally, the one here looks a little thin and lacking. A ringlet wig (or styling your hair with ringlets as other anons have suggested) would also be a good choice.

Old school tends to favour clean and simple looks so you don't want to add too many embellishments etc, the necklace I don't think is necessary for instance. I would probably pair it with items similar to pic related.

The make-up is also a bit harsh for sweet lolita, especially for old school. Think soft, simple and quite natural with no obvious dark eye-liner and no dark eye-liner at all on the lower lid.

>>8906521
>>8905340
Thanks for the hair tips. I was off on the era and thinking old school was the frizzy natural hair that I remembered from old street snaps.

I looked thru the scans in this thread and I am having trouble seeing what exactly the eye makeup should look like. Is it just mascara with a small bit of black eyeliner? Or just mascara and nothing else

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>>8906541
I actually agree anon, I posted it by mistake and deleted it. Here's the intended make-up idea post again.

>>8906534
Oh damn I needed to refresh this tab. Thank you, this is exactly what I need
>>8906546
Thank you, I will have to buy some new shoes. Those would look so much better. I actually ordered a pair of socks just like those. Now if I could just find a used white purse, I've been searching for one on LM for months

>>8906546
How are the BL lace socks, are they passable?

>>8906602
I have that pair and they're... okay. Nice to have around as backup when I haven't washed my nicer pairs but the lace is still noticeably lower quality. Especially when I wear a Baby dress with nice torchon lace or something. The socks themselves are quite comfortable though.
Basically, yeah, they're passable.

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>>8906602
they're not great but I think they are passable, especially for more old school looks. The lace isn't super soft cotton, but the quality is an acceptable kind of soft raschel rather than the hideous cheap and scratchy kind.

satanscelestialbaby on tumblr can be seen wearing them in pic related. I'd actually really recommend checking out her old school tagged posts in general, the style seems to come naturally to her and I honesty think she 'gets' old school in a way many lolitas don't - she masters the key components but doesn’t seem to try too had either by making every element 'old school perfect' or exactly matching (which I think is very much in the spirit of old school style street snaps etc).

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>>8906644

Do any of you gulls have an old school dream dress you're hunting for at the moment?

>>8906641
WHAT IS THAT OP HOLY SHIT

>>8906648
I really want karami jsk in bxw. Also looking for things similar in good condition

>>8906711
Looks like mam

>>8906711
It's Maxicimam's Gobelin OP from 2002.

>>8906726
I've looked at so much mam trying to find oldschool lately and it was all boring pastel solids. I didn't realize they did gorgeous florals. Pardon my newfagness

So F Yeah Lolita has a new post and it's related about old school (I'd link it but it's so totally spam so no) What do you guys think of it?

>>8906919
wow, I figured they had stopped making posts completely.

As for how I feel about the post, eh, it's decent. I like the idea of those sorts of dresses coming back in style though. I would like them in all black.

>>8902965
http://imgur.com/a/ij8db I managed to save most of the images from Avant Gauche, and I'm currently uploading everything from my imgur archive to oldschoollolita.tumblr.com with an extensive taglist to make it easier to find specific things

>>8907047
Bless you, anon.

>>8907047
I think it'd be good to keep in mind Avant Gauche closing and archive any other website that has similar content. Are there any others that gulls would want saved?
I would really like to see lerman.biz and all it's content archived on something like tumblr as well. Not all of these websites are nice enough to tell when they are closing down, unfortunately.

>>8894749
My dream dress too Anon, this colourway is so perfect. Maybe one day we'll both get them.

>>8906648
I'm saving up for the re-release of the BTSSB Elisabeth OP in red x white

>>8903493
I completely missed this, I've been off cgl for ages so I don't even remember the last time I was in an Old School thread.

Does anyone know who the owner is? It's odd that they'd take it down after all this time. It was nice of them to give a good bit of notice, though.

>>8907060
>Are there any others that gulls would want saved?
I think it'd be cool to archive the beginning of daily lolita on lj

>>8907060
>>8907382
The very first posts were by swdpunk, if that helps. On a related note, I wonder what happened to her. She was one of my favorite lolitas when I was a beginner.

>>8907047
>>8907382
Pretty sure I saved those photos too

My boyfriend said to me yesterday that my btssb skirt looks like I made it myself.

Pretty nice explanation of what old school is, I think

>>8892275
Oh gosh, this is super, super old, and it's a terrible phone snap I took. Let me see if I can dig this up on my tumblr and figure out what kera issue it's from and then I'll scan it for you properly and see if I can find any info there.

>>8892275
>>8907837
All I know is that it's AP

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>>8907852
it's from Kera issue 39, December 2001

for my own sanity, I'm scanning the whole photoshoot in order, so give me a few minutes...

in th meantime, this looks like a h.naoto interview from that issue if anyone can read Japanese.

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>>8907862
IW

>>8907867
I just want to collect all the old school iw

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>>8907867
IW, right-side up now?

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>>8907875
Baby

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>>8892275

ボンネット、立ち襟ワンピース,ソックス,靴(全て参考商品)/以上すべてアンジェリックプリティ

Bonnet, stand-up collar OP, socks, shoes (all reference* products) / over all Angelic Pretty

*I think this means sample, which means it may not have been sold, I'm sorry.

>>8907394
Oregon drama made the comm fall apart. La Dauphine went out of business and she moved onto Rockabilly, but tbqh, idk what what's she's up to after that.

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>>8906648
this fucker

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>>8907890

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>>8908008
I must know what OP this is

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>>8908056
this takes forever....

>>8908012
I have this op! This is so cool seeing it in the glb, it's super elegant and gorgeous up close, thanks for scanning these spreads!

>>8908060
Maybe lower the DPI then? These seem like 300, they're taking a long time to load.

>>8908066
Err not glb, but kera

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>>8908058

Corduroy OP (Raspberry)
コール天ワンヒース(ラスぺリー)
21,800 yen

And just because I think it's good to know this, on most kera and GLB photos, there is a caption, usually at the bottom of the photo.

It will be a list, usually with prices. In the GLB The last "sentence" before the price is the item name. (Japanese periods look like this: 。)

Go to translate.google.com and pick Japanese on the left, and english on the right.

Then click the "Turn on handwriting" (pencil) icon. Draw each character one at a time and select the match from the options at the bottom of the window.

You can draw out an item name relatively quickly, and it will basically let you translate anything you see in photos, though you might have to try a couple times if its a really complicated one.

Not trying to be a jerk or anything; just thought it might be handy info!

>>8908069
I meant posting to 4chan. The captcha, the delay... I'm so spoiled. I usually just FTP stuff to my web server. This single-image-at-a-time-deal is a pain in the neck. The upload time is nil on my end; my connection is pretty good.

I'm in the process of scanning anything lolita related in all my issues of kera for lolibrary. So I need high quality scans for the captions to be legible. I just did this one tonight (instead of the ones I already had pulled to do next) since there was interest.

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>>8908060

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>>8908082
...I think I found Mr. Yan's senpai

>>8908071
thank you so much, that is incredibly handy info.

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>>8908084
Alas, poor yorick, she knew him well

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>>8908087
These are some hats...

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>>8908091

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>>8908092
Have you guys ever seen a Maris rock advertisement? Because the old kera are full of these and they are... well they are unique.

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>>8908097
This is a kera shop heaven advertisement from the same kera issue, BTW

>>8908092
Now seeing it like this I kinda want to buy this jsk on the left.

>>8904677
I think you would look very nice in sax blue, it would go with your Alice vibe

>>8906726
It's a MAM, BABY

>>8908097
I love this for just j-fashion goth in general. I honestly really like the cult robes here.
>Fuck'IN GOTH
>Sexy Wild & Cute
>it's only rockin roll in 1874 december
I lost it.

>>8908056
This is an ad for the Meta movie! Im dying to see it.

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>>8908156
It kills me that this whole book is so blurry. I know it was done on purpose, but it makes it so hard to see the clothing.

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>>8908204

This is all so amazing to look through, thank you!

>>8906648
eternally searching for
>>8890616
I've sort of given up but I can't let go for some reason

>>8908140
What Kera is this from? I'd love to get that and frame it.

>>8909329

It's not Kera, sorry. This is the cover of Escargotskin vol 1. It's a fairly rare lolita publication from 2005. The ISBN is 4910015740258.

You could try posting a want-to-buy on egl. Sometimes I find old/rare publications on auction or amazon japan, but this is pretty hard to find.

>>8909519
Ach, that's sad. I love the illustration. I'm trying to collect some old cover art to frame up for my room. Thanks for the info!

So that red velveteen baby on yj! with the princess sleeves, any guess what the measurements are? I almost want to get it just to collect but my closet is stuffed.

Can anyone recommend me a good place for old school style blouse made with chiffon? I just don't like the crinkly wrinkly cotton fabric that they used back then.

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>>8911219
It kinda depends on if you intend to go for a classic, sweet or more gothic leaning look (in which case a high neck blouses may be a good option) but blouses sold on mylolitadress might be a good place to look. I think pic related would be a good staple for old school and many less obviously current/modern lolita looks in general.

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>>8906641
Still rocking it, most recent old school outfit from her.

>>8911219
It shouldn't be crinkly/ wrinkly unless you're buying from low quality places such as bodyline (even anna house's can be a bit crinkly). Have you tried a brand blouse? My second hand baby ones have been really soft (softer than my iw). Chiffon isn't really suitable unless you're just going for a sort of inspired look. They're not really very oldschool and taobao ones often look cheap.

>>8911368
Her coords are so perfect, she looks like she stepped right out of an old GLB street snap.

>>8911368
I miss the days when most lolita had this sort of creepy doll aesthetic. That's what attracted me to the fashion in the first place.

>>8911368
what's the best way to get antaina shoes, can you order directly from their taobao?

>>8913443
Their email is listed on their storefront. They take overseas orders through that, and they speak English. Just send them all the info they need.

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>>8913397
I know exactly what you mean anon, I started dabbling in lolita fashion around 2003/4 and although I've enjoyed following the evolution of lolita fashion, for me the 'creepy doll' vibe IS lolita. I've never really been able to escape that old school stronghold as it was also its main drawing point when I first discovered it; this aspect seems to be why so many of the original western lolitas came from the gorh scene too, this was certainly my experience with early UK lolitas anyway.

>>8913599
Does anyone know what the dress in top middle on the right is? Please and thanks

>>8906641
>>8906735
Has this dress been re-released or anything? I bought it from wunderwelt a while ago and it came practically new, and had the tag on it (though the tag is a little beaten up) it's just in such good condition i'm having a hard time believing its 14 years old

>>8913752
Maybe it was hoarded and never worn by the previous owner? I know how you feel though, I have a velvet Meta jsk from sometime between 2001 and 2004 that came like new with the tag and even extra buttons and a fabric swatch. For such a beautiful piece to go unworn for that long though is something I simply can't wrap my head around.

>>8907890
OMG thank you so much!

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>>8906648
this
damn I lose it every time

>>8906546
sauce of that ringlet wig?

>>8914226
It's Gothic Lolita Wigs.

>>8913752
There's that iw velvet babydoll jsk on yj! right now nwt, probly bought it and just wasn't brave enough to wear it out but didn't want to let it go.

>>8914310
Diff anon here, but is there anywhere else to get such a wig? I've considered the Bodyline one but I can't even seem to find it on-site now. I just don't feel comfortable giving money to GLW after the last mess I got from them.

>>8912261
Maybe I just have awful luck, but my brand blouses wrinkle really easily, I have to iron them thoroughly before every wear.

>>8914528
Satanscelestialbaby mentioned in her newest coordinate rundown that her wig was from maple. They have a short and long cut! I wanted to get the longer cut but they're sold out in the colour I want.

>>8914530
This is why I just avoid cotton everything, especially some of iw's more victorian inspired pieces with the bibs that are cotton based and while the design is nice, seeing it up close they just look cheap to me. I'd like to pickup a few old school blouses, but they're a little spendy which is even more ridiculous. It might not be 100% authentic, but I'll probly stick with chiffon.

>>8912261
Brand cotton blouses wrinkle like mad at the elbows...

http://web.archive.org/web/20030812173240/http://www.gamegirladvance.com/zine/200307play/playing_dress_up.html

>We are dolls, they seem to say, but don't play with us. We bite.

>The creepy cuteness is meant to disturb, to provoke. The "Lolita" is alluring, but the "Goth" says you might not like what you get. The Goth is twisted, in control of herself and of the Lolita. She's a little girl, but a fake little girl, because she's actually Death disguised, decay clothed in innocent frills. This over-elaborateness is meant to be attractive and repulsive at the same time. For the most part, I think the women dress for themselves and each other. No one else but another inductee into the mysteries of fashion would appreciate the arcane detail in every brass buckle, in every ribbon, in every inverted pleat. I also think it's a "screw you" to creepy older men who might fetishize the Lolita. Those men are the real outsiders, gaping and shaking their heads at a fashion movement they don't understand.

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>>8914581
found the maple wig, but it looks too shiny.

>>8915848
They just have shitty photos, it's about as shiny as most lolita-appropriate wigs. You can literally see what it looks like here >>8911368

I really DO love aprons in lolita. How can I wear one with black main piece and not look like a maido? Should I look for not-white aprons, like black or red, blue etc.?

>>8918382
I can't see how it'd be possible not to give off a maid look with black and white as the connotation is so strong, maybe if the op were a light blue you could go for alice or even navy would help push it away a bit, go for a less frilly apron on the shoulder straps. There's actually a ton of white simple cute aprons on yj! that are meant in earnest that would work well.

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>>8908097
>that white robe
kkk-kei