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Gothic Lolita Thread

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The old one reached it's limit. Let's continue here.

Old thread: >>8847831
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>>8863755
Maybe delete this and start with a better picture
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>>8865804
Ohh I like this one
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>>8865804
Necro Loli
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Is this considered Goth? I just really love it.
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Personal favorite coord.
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>>8866246
Ack! That's pretty! Nice use of colours
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>>8865943
She makes me want to buy everything from Lady Sloth
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>>8866246
>gothic

Lol
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>>8866246
this is sweet

jesus christ
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>>8867520
Not even lolita. This thread is a nooby hot mess.
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dumping what i did not dump last thread
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>>8869511
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>>8869513
love this hair with gothic
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>>8869515
on the right
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>>8869516
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>>8869518
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>>8869522
i prefer styles like pic above to pic related, but can appreciate the different styles possible with similar dresses
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>>8869525
still, basic can't be beat for wearability
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>>8869526
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>>8869528
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>>8869531
casual gothic is underrated
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>>8869533
>tfw so many basic coords saved
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>>8869535
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>>8869538
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>>8869540
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>>8869547
>tfw i could fill multiple threads with gothic coords
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>>8869549
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>>8869551
pic related = new among faves
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>>8866246
dat skirt lift
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>>8869552
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>>8869554

>>8869553
lamp gettin fresh
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>>8869555
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>>8869557
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>>8869559
from casual to OTT
gothic is the style for me

>tfw this post countdown
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>>8869560
60 seconds between each post
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>>8869515
>gothic
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>>8869562
captchas asking for double or treble the guessing
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>>8869563
one of the few AP sets that work with gothic imo

especially styled the way it is

>>8869564
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>>8869554
also blatantly not gothic
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>>8869566
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>>8869569

>>8869567
won't disagree, it could go either way for me

contribute something that wasn't in the last thread, be useful
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>>8869584
not a fan of bonnets 2bh
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>>8869591
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on right
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>>8869598
without jacket
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>>8867520
needs a yoke and a petti and it would be cute
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>>8869627
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Lol. Please let someone who knows what gothic is post
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>>8869630

>>8869632
>let
who is stopping you?
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>>8869653
feel like clustering all unusual/borderline coords together for the trugoths to hiss at
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>>8869655
but that would mess up my queue
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>>8869665
daily_lolita's tag system is superb, but most of what is catalogued is old enough that entries for specific styles may not pass modern scrutiny.

please save the tags. post your contemporary coords for archival purposes. the fate of future /cgl/ discussion rests in your hands.
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keep on truckin', posting anon
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>>8869668
i do it for you, anon
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>>8869670
entering a brief green period
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>>8869672
oh Mana
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>>8869677
birds are chirping, sun is rising
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>>8869678
time to sleep
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>>8869567
What would you call it? Shiro? Classical?
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>>8869690
It seems pastel goth for me. But still goth.
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>>8869722
how are you this dumb?
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>>8869744
How are you this rude?
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>>8869744
noob spotted
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>>8869813
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>>8869744
newfaggot in the arena

Probably a cosplayer, not lolita.
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>>8869813
Loved it.
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>>8869515
>>8866246
B-but anon! It's AP so they're not allowed to make anything gothic ever!
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>>8869577
How is this Gothic? Serious question.
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>>8869964
Pic says the dress is Moitie, but I agree, that does not look gothic at all.
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>>8869795
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>>8869820
Are you samefagging to save face? It's not pastelgoth.
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>>8870007
Never said it was.
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>>8869869
HL reads as sweet to me, with gothic themes, putting it in a weird place.

that HG coord is gothic though.

>>8869964
the cut of the skirt and blouse are gothic, and the lace trim at the bottom. imagine the dress was black; the shape and coordination would signal gothic.

but it is another tricky example because of the color. my usual deciding factor is to imagine a different color or theme: the HL coord has a sweet shape and style of coordination, while the floral Moitie has all the usual EGL items except it is brightly colored.
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>>8870132
one thing a black and white filter does is highlight how splatter-like the flowers look.

still a tricky coord though.
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>>8870137
Dedicated anon. Thanks!
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>>8869820
So much secondhand embarrASSment
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>>8869869
Except they don't
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>>8863755
Anyone got anything else with lace veils? It's beautiful when done right.
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>>8870132
Thanks for the explanation. I feel much more educated :)
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>>8870137
Thank you :)
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>>8870858
They're wrong about HG though
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>>8870819
if pic related doesn’t have a place under the gothic umbrella in lolita fashion terms then I quit
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>>8870864
So what is so sweet about HG? It has coffins, crosses, no traditional sweet colors, and even a bat shaped collar. Just because it's not Moitie and is in AP's favorite shape as of late, doesn't mean this isn't gothic in every single way.
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I'll post some of my favs
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>>8871464
She's so perfect holy fuck
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>>8870168
>>8870858
>>8870860
you are welcome

>>8870864
explain?

>>8870887
some of these are in a weird place, sweet shapes but gothic colors and themes. it can be hard to bring them away from their sweet design elements when coording, even with the blatant gothic motifs. they usually end up looking like hybrids of sweet and gothic.

what causes a lot of the debate is whether you rely on prints and colors versus design, shape, material, etc. to determine what defines a substyle. AP does frustrating things by using ungothic design elements for their gothic-themed dresses. instead of having the usual historic doll-like gothic shape, they have very modern, cutesey, childlike cuts and material/trim choices that suit sweet better.
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>>8871464
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>>8871429
this is not a coord

>>8871442
uh

>>8871442
u trollin?

>>8871457
this isn't even a dress

what are you doing
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>>8871471

>what are you doing

being high
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>>8871476
sleep it off
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>>8871499
fukken saved

hope you're sobering up
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>>8871504
last one of the night
off to bed for sure
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>>8871509
sleep tight anon

have dark and decadent dreams
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>>8870887
They're all sweet, dumbfuck
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This has got to be one of the most outrageously off and terrible "gothic" threads we've seen in awhile
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>>8871596
Post some pics instead of complaining, gurl!
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>>8870948
It's things such as the cut, etc. I'd class HG, and these dresses, >>8870887 as sweet/gothic. They're more gothic than 'true' sweet lolita, but they're cutesier and younger looking than a truer gothic lolita look, by today's standards.
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>>8871749
So they're lost in a limbo of "no particular sub style"?
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>>8871687
it's so much more ego-fluffing to cast judgement without exposing your own tastes to critique, though.

>>8871893
yeah, they are outliers/hybrids. the ligers of the lolita world.
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>>8871912
>>8871893
>>8870948
>>8871749

Do people really stick to a substyle when planning a coord? I mean, do they get vicious about: "I NEED THIS TO BE SWEET. MY GOD ALL MY ACC MUST BE SWEET" or is it something we bring up only when trying to fit inside the boxes of substyle (like this particular post) ? I don't find myself this attached to it.
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>>8871938
Nope. I go with what to me works as an outfit. I wear a mixture of aristocrat and gothic and classic lolita, sometimes all mixed up into one outfit. As long as the outfit is coherent and looks good, I'll wear it, to hell with the labels.
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>>8872036
Thanks, I love you,
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>>8871938
everyone is different. understanding the distinctions between the three styles is important, but conforming to them isn't. if you can describe your aesthetic like >>8872036 does, you've got a solid understanding of what the categories mean and can explain your genre-bending in an educated way.

if you don't care to learn the distinctions, don't be surprised by the reactions of those who do. it's like literally any other field of knowledge. you don't need to know the difference between chocolate and vanilla to make a tasty cake, but if you frost a vanilla cake with chocolate icing and call it a chocolate cake a lot of people are going to take issue with that.

then other people will debate the difference between yellow cake and vanilla cake, and if yellow can really be considered vanilla or if that's just a lazy categorization. meanwhile others will be holding up a certain percentage of cacao as "true chocolate" while others make a case for milk chocolate or even chocolate-flavored sugar spread.

because that's just how knowledge and categories work in life. the details and distinctions are very fine, but the practical applications of those definitions can be vague. you will always be able to find someone who cares way more than you do ("A coord with a sweet dress is not a gothic coord") and someone who can't even tell the difference between what you consider to be basic categories ("My Milanoo dress has a floofy skirt and lots of lace, it's just as lolita as your elitist brand").
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>>8872144

That's a pretty perfect explanation anon. This should be part of the Lolita general sticky.
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>>8872144
The lolita comm gets better with educated people like you, anon. Thanks.
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>>8872198
thanks, i try.

to celebrate permeable boundaries, here's some old school visual kei crossdresser EGL that once inspired legions to try lolita but would get anyone reamed in the ita thread if they dressed like this today.
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>>8872144
Thank you. I agree that this needs to be put in the lolita general sticky.
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>>8872410
>reposting a coord that was in the last thread
>using inferior Pinterest antpic

anon pls
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>>8871594
they're not strictly 100% sweet though are they because of the colors and themes(?) and I would agree that whilst the cuts are somewhat sweet, they have gothic elements and could work in a somewhat sweet, gothic coord or somewhat gothic, sweet coord depending on how you view it. Some people just can't seem to get over the areas of grey depicted in lolita fashion which frustrates me somewhat - I don't believe I have a misunderstanding of what 'is and isn't' however I don't think it can be measured in absolutes. I think >>8872144 nails it.

If I wore any of the items in >>8870887 for instance, despite their sweet-gothic look, I would want to coord them in a way that would probably make them look more gothic (by my own aesthetic standards) overall, as that's my personal taste. At the same time, I wouldn't pair them with some of the 'shitting bats' accessories often associated with mana's brand of gothic lolita either, as I feel they wouldn't fit the image.

It's been mentioned before but 'gothic lolita' has always meant (in the Japanese definition sense) 'gothic plus lolita elements' aka 'gothic and lolita' aka 'ゴシックアンドロリータ', so to what extent one identifies something as 'gothic' will likely vary from person to person. It even explains in the Japanese wiki article that 'gothic lolita' or 'gosurori' is the shortened form of 'gothic and lolita' and isn’t, as some people have suggested, ingrish or misuse of a conjunction word.

In every major Japanese article I have ever read on the subject, they have defined lolita fashion, gothic fashion and then then explained the merging of gothic with lolita to create 'gothic and lolita'. There is no strict answer to what 'gothic' is or looks like but most can probably agree that it contains elements of the macabre, darker themes, and often but not always, a fascination with medieval, victorian and edwardian history as

well as christian iconography and themes of folklore.
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>>8871470
source please? I tried image reverse and nightmare but didn't really get anywhere. This is gorgeous.
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>>8872721
>trying to deflect by talking about stuff that everyone should already know that is not related
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>>8872746
I'm trying to find more info
best I can gather is the company brand is Nightmare, and these dresses are from their 'Til Death Do Us Part' series. I'm in love with them but can't find where to buy
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>>8874036
>so in love with this print
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>>8874030
this would be so cool if the limp underskirt wasn't on display
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some h Naoto
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>>8874042
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>>8874047
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>>8874053
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>>8866246
I LOVE THIS IMAGE BUT THE SKIRT LIFT WHY DIDNT THEY TAKE A SECOND SHOT THIS TRIGGERS ME
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Any chance of some white gothic?
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>>8874163
that pic was in the last thread, and some people did a mini dump of white. it is still in the catalog if you want to check it out.
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>>8873889
>>8871470

Please keep us updated, if you find something out. Those pieces are lovely.
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>>8875010
i wish to see more gothic florals (like on far left here)
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>>8873889
I feel like I saw some info on the Loli Loli paradise Facebook page a few weeks back
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>>8874406
>tfw you will never be able to wear lolita
>tfw at least the things you /would/ wear are not called ita

I wish I wasn't a six foot tall linebacker and could wear lolita. I'll forever have to live vicariously through my fellow gulls
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>>8873889
you could try overseas agent theriacabotanica on facebook, they have been known to deal with the brand Nightmare before.
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>>8873889
I just found out the brand's name is actually Souffle Song. They are marking their product pictures with (c)Nightmare. Couldn't find these exact dresses though.
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>>8878006
thanks anon
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http://page12.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/p504971995

for the sellers thousand+ feedback, only one is negative. this is a damaged but imo salvageable Moitie JSK with a starting bid of 3,000 yen. the description is cute and sad, the seller acknowledges the flaws but doesn't want to throw the dress away and so hopes someone who loves Moitie will save it.
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>>8878006
This actually makes a lot of sense. I swear I recognised the frame in the pictures and I own 2 dresses by them already. Thanks anon! Hopefully it will pop up for sale somewhere
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