CGL Board Split Proposal

This conversation is as old as the board itself. Neither halves are active enough to require its own board. Also there is a lot of overlap regarding certain topics (taobao/ebay threads, makeup threads, then/now threads, etc.). And a lot of users are both cosplayers and lolitas. It's a really stupid idea to split the board.

>>8723536
It's been brought up before, but long story short: the board is too slow as it is. If we split it, you would have two nearly dead boards instead of one board. Plus there's a lot of overlap with sewing, makeup, hair and skincare, etc.

I'm down for the split. I'm tired of being grouped we the cosplayers.

A general alt fashion board would be nice, /fa/ is entirely to normal fag and trendy.

You chose a god awful IMG btw…

If we'd actually get enough traffic to justify a split, I think it would be great if we did something like /jfa/ and /cos/, but honesty I don't mind being a gull that much because there are some overlap in terms of where we buy stuff and what we buy.

>>8723536
this comes around all the time. the cultures are pretty combined at this point. con going threads move pretty well because of lolitas and cosplayers alike. things like resources (taobao/shopping) threads and tutorial threads cross over both. Makeup, hair, and wig threads work for both. A lot of lolitas are general weebs and often cosplayers too.

for the most part cgl is slow moving, but not TOO slow moving, and thats mainly because of the crossover. with things like the catalog available, it makes it pretty easy to find what threads you're looking for. it's not nearly as big of a problem of boards like /v/ where video game general threads as well as specific generes (pokemon) were posted often and filled quickly to push other things off the board.

>>8723536
I agree completely in splitting cosplay & con culture versus lolita & asian fashion, which is all totally separate from /fa/ and western fashion. The only times we even vaguely overlap is in convention-specific threads, which are and will continue to be cosplay dominated. Versus lolita events, like major tea parties and lolita-focused cons, which have nary a cosplayer in signt.

If we were more popular board I think we could totally justify a split like /cos/ and /cgl/ or /cgl/ and /jfa/ or something.

I would hate having to compete in the same board as /fa/, girls should get their own fashion thread, but even then I feel that lolita style would get swallowed up with mainstream bullshit.

On the other hand, I feel bad for cosplay guys who have to wade through the threads about fake eyelashes and frilly dresses here.

ALSO it is bullshit that no diet/weightloss threads are allowed on here, because I feel it's integral to both lolita and cosplay.

So I guess I hate this entire board? Or just want things to improve? I don't know how

>>8723558
what is there to wade through? THE CATALOG EXISTS FOR A REASON

Until the board is fast enough that threads don't sit around for weeks, there is no point.

Comics and Cartoons have shared a board for a long time, as has Anime and Manga despite /a/ being a hugely popular board. Both of those are far more active than /cgl/ and a case could be made to split them.

>>8723570
As poster of >>8723558 I always use the catalog and I still consider it wading through crap. Unrelated subjects yo

>>8723541
This completely.

I also am not eager to become some kind of Reddit/infinitychan with hundreds of boards on one site.

/af/ asian fashion
/cp/ cosplay

sounds good

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>>8723654
>/cp/
No, thank you.

>>8723654
>/cp/

This couldn't possibly be misinterpreted.

>>8723654
>/cp/
I dont think that means what you think that means

>>8723664
>>8723663
>>8723659
*googles cp* ....club penguin? captain planet? christian post? .......I don't get it? ? ?

>>8723670
Now you're on a list. Smile for the camera!

>>8723588
>what is ctrl + f
Learn it, use it, love it, and shut up.

Alternatively, you can hide threads and stop being a baby about it.

>>8723685
I also use this. And love it. I just don't see what lolita and cosplay have to do with each other outside of the fact they loosely originated from Japan. Yes, I can deal with it, but the point here is to discuss alternatives. Why so mean?

>>8723697
>>8723685
I mean why not merge cosplay with /vg/ or /co/, they have more in common with that than lolita fashion

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>>8723542
Yes!! /alt/ alternative fashion styles. This would be great. Please hiro. Ily

>mommy Lolita and Daddy cosplay are getting a divorce
where is baby Drama going to live?

>>8723536
Highly doubt it ever will be. In Japan, honestly, cosplay and lolita are niche despite it being Japan. Merging them together is probably the best way to go because alone there aren't many threads that are made for the individual sections, but combined they make a whole category large enough to really talk.

>>8723723
Especially since about 50% of the threads don't even have anything to do with either lolita or cosplay, but moreso center around different jfashions and then rooms and the such.

>>8723685
What if you're on mobile?

>>8723739
Get chrome.

>>8723720
kek

>>8723685

The last person who made lolita general forgot to actually use the words "lolita general".

Plus, using the catalogue doesn't make it easier to browse lolita topics, even with Ctrl+F. I didn't even know what gurokawaii is until this week, I certainly wouldn't have searched for it.

I get that bitches need to do their own work, but anons have a point. There is a lot of wading through unrelated crap to do.

>>8723720
Joint custody where both have all drama all the time

>>8723547
>nary a cosplayer in sight
I feel like people with this sentiment are severely underestimating the number of lolitas who are also cosplayers. Obviously no one is talking about cosplay in threads for lolita events. Plenty of people are interested in both areas, and splitting would not bring any new traffic to justify making two even slower boards from one of the slowest boards already. For a lot of us, it would just mean searching through the catalog of two dead boards instead of just the one super slow one. Plenty of threads have topics that are useful to both.

>>8723711
Not really. When I want to talk cosplay, I want to talk construction, makeup, wigs and lenses, cons, etc, not about the source material or its creators.

>>8723742
Chrome is garbage. Don't.

>>8723670
Child Pornography, anon.

Let me tell you, as someone with cerebral palsy, the acronym is really unfortunate.

>>8723820
Not necessarily, because most normies and people you'll see in day-to-day life won't know that CP is an acronym/slang for child pornography. They usually just say it out.

I've only ever seen "CP" commonly used on 4chan, nobody gets what I mean by it right away in real life.

>>8723787
what's the new hip browser to use that all the cool kids are using then?

>>8723852
Firefox is still voted number one.

>>8723536
not this again, just no

I'm not a lolita, but I enjoy some lolita threads. Ita thread is so funny.

>>8723654
/cos/
cosplay/larp/costume making
/jfa/
jfash
or just bring back /con/
tires of cgl being shitted up by convention/state generals, i just wanna enjoy my lolita in peace without people lumping it in with costuming because it's a style, not a costume

>>8723968
> i just wanna enjoy my lolita in peace

the boards being separated wouldntt stop people from calling lolita a costume.

>>8723784

I think we covered this is in previous threads, but some of the "new traffic" has gotten confused because cosplay and lolita are in the same place, they can't seem to tell that wig threads are primarily for cosplayers, just because lolitas posted in them doesn't mean wigs are essential to lolita. Meanwhile some of the "olds" get turned off/distracted by the constant cosplay noise (the photo threads, the jnig/yaya bait, hoc threads, con party threads) and don't bother sticking around at all.

>>8724016

One fight at a time, anon. Not having to slow down and explain that cgl only exists for non logical reasons is going to make that much easier for an outsider to understand.

I gotta admit thinking about this board logically this is definitely the wrong place for lolita. So far as I know the board was created for conventions, cosplayers and lolitas were lumped in together because the person who created it had cosplay lolita in mind, not the real fashion. After that, it seems femanons stayed on this board because they hate the fa board. So basically on all counts lolita remained on this board because anons would rather be here than on fa, 4chan doesn't want to create another board, not because "it belongs".

In the meanwhile, we've had arguments (with moot, no less) about what kinds of fashion belong on here rather than on fa, the reason strega threads always gets a "it's not jfashion, take it to fa" is because the rule that was laid down is that only jfashion and kfashion belong on cgl, everything else goes on fa. Since then, though, we've had uchuu-kei, which apparently escaped scrutiny because of it's weeby name, while strega fashion continues to get debated every time someone starts a thread on it. In the meanwhile, we've got taobao threads, aliexpress threads, even the occassional ebay and etsy threads -- none of which are in japan, and if you look at the collages some anons don't even buy anything lolita or cosplay related. The alt fashion side of things have definitely expanded to include more than just lolita, at the same time you're apparently supposed to give any new fashion a japanese name, otherwise half the thread derails on whether it belongs here or not and your thread may be deleted for no other reason than a non-weeby name.

For the anons who said that skincare, wigs and shopping overlap between cosplay and lolita, let me just point out wigs is the one thing that we gripe about with newbies. So the overlap is not as strong as you think. You'd also have to address how propmaking, armour making, working with worble/thermoplastics has more in common with the DIY board than it does with lolita.

>>8723720
Baby drama grew up and became a dairy farmer.

>>8724098
not really because any outsider regardless of what lolita is intermixed with will always look at you dressed to the nines and think you're in a costume for a fucking play.

>>8723536
We've had this discussion before. Do you even archive?

>>8724115
I have noticed that most lolitas have this skewed vision of what is normal. They think they can blend in, in a normie crowd if they wear a salopette.

>>8724109
>propmaking, armour making, working with worble/thermoplastics
Huh.. I always found those threads useful to get techniques for when I'm making accessories

>>8723968
>it's a style, not a costume
Then I see a ton of you guys posting how you only wear lolita for meets and wear a different jfash/general cute style for everyday. Give it up, for some people, in some cases, it's literally a costume and they're playing dress-up to meets and cons. For the lolitas who wear it everyday, it's their style. End it now.

I do enjoy both drama lumped in one place, and hopping between boards would be a pain to get the overlap of makeup, wigs, crafting, etc. Let's face it, /diy/ isn't really the best community for the crafts done on /cgl/.

But if we do split up, we can have competitions over who took the least b8 each month. That'd be fun, since /cgl/ always responds to b8.

>>8724115

....... you do realise that "one fight at time" means to focus your energy on one small problem at a time, instead of stressing out about one giant problem, right?

In context, this means focusing on the online problems of recognising that lolita is not a costume first, leaving the issue of offline crowds as another problem, to be focused on later on, rather than giving up entirely on the bigger problem just because "lel crowds".
>>8724144
>>8724016


This is a fallacy. Lolitas don't want to "blend into" the crowd. They want the goth status, where people in a crowd look at a lolita, realise she's dresssed to the nines and stands out like a sore thumb, recognise that it's a lolita and not someone in costume, and move on. If they really want to blend into the crowd, lolitas can do so just fine, we just had an "in and out of lolita" thread where a number of lolitas wear completely normal clothes when they're not wearing lolita.

To this end, any kind of subculture presence, including our own board, helps to define that lolita and cosplay are two completely different things.

Again, just because "lel crowds" doesn't mean we give up entirely. It's a long fight, but we can always take a small step, claim a small space as lolita and not cosplay, and eventually the news will travel to the normies that yes, lolita is its own thing, and no, it's not a cosplay thing.

>>8724109
>cosplay lolita in mind, not the real fashion.

so wrong. the board was created mainly with lolitas in mind. back when this board was created the only real place for lolita shit to happen was at anime cons.

since making a board simply for one niche fashion would be too slow moving of a trial board (other trial boards died off because of this), cosplay was added since it was the other thing that happened at anime cons. underlying theme was that both cosplay and lolita were japanese influenced and happened at cons. Combining the two felt natural and would keep the board moving

>>8724192
you do know that 4chan is not the first place people go when researching lolita right? you know that there are plenty other spaces "claimed" for lolita only right?

it does't matter. people will always see your ridiculous get up and think its a costume. it will NEVER be seen as anything else by people who aren't familiar with it.

>>8724200
I hate to agree but this anon is right. Only gothic lolitas and classics on sundays can get away with it without people thinking it's a costume.

>>8724194

Uh, dude.

>happened at anime cons
Lolita doesn't just "happen at anime cons". It happens the whole year round on egl, in local lolita communities, in lolita's homes, everywhere. Check daily_lolita on livejournal, even as old as 2006 you'd find photos from anime cons are actually in the minority, it's more likely to be girls that dressed up in lolita for no special occassion.

The only reason you only see it "happening at anime cons" is if you're not a lolita, so the one and only place you're likely to see them is at an anime con. In reality the girls have been wearing all year round, and now that we have lolita-specific cons (rufflecon, under the sea, dare I mention anime matsuri) the two are drifting even further apart. So yes, con-only lolitas = cosloli, not the real thing.

>when it started
Yeah, but it's now 2015. Things have changed. Look at the arbitrary fashion rules about what thread should go where. Look at the different treatments between starting a thread with "strega fashion" and "uchuu-kei", even though both are made up western styles.

Case in point.

>Japanese-based

Notice that anons in this thread aren't really asking for a lolita-only board anymore, most of them are asking for a jfashion or alt fashion board. That's really changed from the last time a thread like this was created, now it looks like anons want a space where they can post experimental fashion alongside lolita, rather than just seperating lolita on its own.

It also means that any arguments you have about lolita fashion being lumped together with cosplay don't really hold water, you'd have to expand them to explain why dolly kei, otome, vintage retro, etc etc are mostly worn at anime cons.


I'll give you this, though:

>slow board
This is the most honest reason yet, and probably the only one I actually respect. All of the others are pretty bullshit excuses.

>>8724200
>>8724211

That's why one (small) fight at a time. We've got space on livejournal, facebook, tumblr, there's a group on g+ as well. 4chan next, please and thank you.

I wouldn't say it didn't work. Two of you keep insisting it LOOKS like a costume -- to everyone else. But now you two KNOW it's a fashion. So that's two more small victories. Thank you.

>>8724222
I've known its a fashion for ages, that doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the fact that to the rest of the world it looks like a costume.

>>8724216
I'm not denying the fact that there were meetups then but they were definitely morecon centric in those days. People then were hyped at the idea of brands or models showing up to cons. Meetups were planned around cons and during cons because of that. Wearing lolita to a con does not make you a "cosplay lolita".Cons were the potential place to get Japanese brands to travel to the states, and thatv played a HUGE part in how much more available lolita is today.

Has it changed? Of course. But the initial inception of this board was not soley for the crowd that only dressed up at cons.

An alternative fashion board already exists. It's /fa/ if you really want to get technical about it.

There just isn't enough content that jfash or cosplay produces that warrants it's own board. Threads here already last forever even with the whole mix. There's nothing wrong with the functionality of this board at all. It's just that a handful of people feel the need to be even more of a special snowflake and/or don't want to take the 5 seconds it takes to look at the catalog for threads they want if it doesn't happen to already be on the first page

>>8724226

Still one more person in the crowd. One fight at a time.

>>8724247

What year was that? I had the impression moot created con on and off again, and then created cgl for the "people that show up at cons". There was a time period where apparently posting lolita content had you made fun of, because cgl had more trolls and baiters than anyone actually posting content. It did move fairly fast then, if that makes you happy?

And like I said, I totally respect that the excuse for not splitting the thread simply came down to a slow board. But all the other excuses about lolita belonging to cons, being Japanese-based, etc, etc, those have all shifted over time. So they're pretty much outdated, rubbish excuses by now. At least be honest and say it outright, this board is an illogical mish mash of cosplay and alt fashion because girls don't want to post on fa and the board moves too slowly to justify splitting it up.


If fa is alt fashion, do you want the lolitas to post there instead? You could just as easily make a policy that lolita goes on fa and let the users fend for themselves. At the very least, you'd get some faster threads while the userbase of both boards battle out what threads go where.

I feel like a female fashion board in general would be really nice.

>>8723542
>>8723712
I'd love an alt fashion board. I only browse here because this is the closest you can get to discuss alt fashions on 4chan. /fa/ is a place where underage guys post their normie shit to get validation.

My proposal is:

/con/ - cosplay and conventions (with con-specific threads, threads for shows/games/cosplayers/photogs, tutorial/help threads, room threads...)
/alt/ - alternative fashion (for lolita, jfashion, but also western alt fashion like goth, strega, etc.)

Every board gets their own makeup/hair threads. There are literally no fashions where cosplay wigs and makeup are ok and regular hair and makeup don't work for cosplay most times, so there's no reason to keep them together anyway.

>>8723558
Yeah, it always felt lose-lose to me. I think this board is honestly too slow, but I wish they were separate at the same time. I don't see cosplay and lolita as related anymore than I see lolita and normie fashion. The fact they were even grouped together to begin with always confused me. I feel like lolitas, overall, kind of dominate this board, too.

>>8724165
it's not a costume because we aren't dressing up as a character
some of us can't wear it everyday
i'm in art school and 2/3 of my classes are studio classes meaning i cannot wear lolita to them for risk of damaging my brand
this is why i'm in support of a board split. cosplayers like you don't understand lolita

>>8724276
I like it

>>8723838
Literally everyone knows it stands for child porn, or at least everyone I know, so it would be unfortunate really.

>>8724649
Costumes aren't always depicting a specific character fyi

>>8724682
but they're not the same thing as a fashion
we wouldn't be having this issue if normie fashion was forced to share a board with costume-makers

If you want the boards to split, then stop only posting to cringe, ita, and drama threads and generate some worthwhile OC. The board is too slow to be split, period. If it wasn't so slow--if people stepped up and contributed to interesting discussions so that the board actually felt the stress of needing to accommodate so much at once--a board split might happen.

If it does, I would vote for /jfa/ and /cos/ to be the two new boards. A "female fashion" board is a dipshit idea; not all jfashionistas here are female and you would get trolled to hell and back, way more than usual.

I would also be sad to lose the seagull community, but if we actually outgrow this board it would make sense to split. We're nowhere near busy enough for that to happen, though. So stop whining and participate in better discussions.

>>8724688
no one looks at cgl as the only place for lolita. if anything cgl is the last place or the place where people who already know shit about lolita go to for more lolita shit.

you seem to be offended by people who don't exist calling lolita a costume on this board. fucking no one does it except when people try to troll. Being on your own separate board wont stop some asshole from showing up and posting "HURR DURR LOLITA IS A COSTUME"

The notion that it's a costume isn't because it's on the same board as a cosplay board, it's because lolita OFTEN looks weird, big, and elaborate. LIKE COSTUMES.

>>8724113
I think you mean a salt miner

>>8724690
This. If it's that important to some of you to have two separate boards, then do your part by posting the content that will keep the resulting two boards from flopping.

All of the points in this thread are legitimate, and 100% worth thinking about. But in the end, what it boils down to is this: the board is already too slow. No amount of salt is going to change that fact.

>>8724723
I know what I said.

>>8724725
This would work If people would stop screaming "you killed a thread! this should have been posted in the xx-thread!!"

>>8724731
no, it would not. having a bunch of 5-post threads doesn't make a board faster. the same amount of discussion would be happening, just in a less organized way.

>>8723720
Topkek

Where the fuck would the LARP thread go then?

>>8723739
>>8723742
You can use it on Safari as well though...

>>8724113
Wish baby drama would just stay on the farm though.

>>8724757
ditto.

but again, not like there is a lot of discussion about non-drama.

>>8723536
Weebs dressing up and weebs dressing up in costumes should be 2 different boards? It's stupid

>>8724752
I'm sorry, but since when is LARP part of lolita?

>>8724247
Agree with this post.
>>8724264
>If fa is alt fashion, do you want the lolitas to post there instead?

IMO j-fash is a fashion, meaning if separation from cosplay is desired then /fa/ is the logical board to post in. Yes, I know /fa/ is a male dominated board, however most of their threads coincide with the j-fash threads in here: hair threads, BST, ebay/taobao/cop threads, shoe threads, accessories, advice, skincare, substyle threads...

Actually /fa/ suffers from lack of organization; if you clean up all the stray threads and put them in categorized generals like we do here then there really are only a handful of active threads while everything else only gets 1 or 2 responses while slowly sliding to pg 10. J-fash could easily fit in there and perhaps even overrun it - just look at the avg number of replies per thread in cgl and compare it to fa.

That being said, I doubt a cosplay board would be able to survive on its own and the closest board you could merge it with is /diy/ - even then cosplayers would really only be able to do WIP threads, since conventions, LARP, photoshop, photographer, and "cosplay from [source]" generals wouldn't fit.

tl;dr cosplay needs j-fash to share a board with them to stay alive. Have mercy, lolitas.

Got to admit, I do love lolcow because it's like one huge /cgl/ split into seperate boards. It's pretty popular so if we could allow jfash topics, gossip, related feels threads etc like they do, it'd definitely move faster than the current threads. Hell, most farmers are ex-seagulls.

>>8724780
Since always
>>8722393
>>8722461

>>8724794
those opinions are not representative of all lolitas
just like the type of sexy cosplay jnig does isn't representative of all female cosplayers

>>8724752
/cos/
or /tg/

I'm pro the split but I think you'd have to also lift the ban on person-specific threads and non-vindictive gossip in order to speed the boards up. I feel like a good janitor could differentiate between vindictive threads and photo-centric or gossip based ones.

>>8723536
That would be great, I hate wading through all the Cosplay stuff for the few lolita posts.

I don't want a split, but that's just because I am involved with j-fashion and cosplay. I also don't really care if other people think lolita is a costume. I know it isn't and that's good enough for me.

I can see why other people would want a split though. I'd deal with it.

(The makeup/skincare/Taobao/Ali/eBay threads seem relevant to both factions though.)

I would definitely want a split. I am totally uninterested in cosplay or cosplay gossip and I wish it wasn't lumped in the same board as jfashion considering it is basically unrelated besides a minuscule amount my overlapping things.

>>8724833
create more lolita content.

there is no reason for such "a few lolita posts," in your words, to have their own board if they're so hard to find.

>>8724833
Are you for real, if anything the lolita threads are always more visible than cosplay stuff in the last few years. The catalogue is there for a reason, easy browsing.

I think a split wouldn't work solely for the reason that the board just is not active enough.
I mean look right now. The board has the capacity to hold about 150 active threads. Can you imagine either a dedicated cosplay or lolita board having even half of that number being active and not on autosage? It would be a graveyard.
As people have said /alt/ is really just /fa/ when it comes down to it and the lack of discussion of alternative fashions on /fa/ is not because it's not appropriate but that it's just not the board's culture to discuss it.
One thing I will say is that I definitely think weightloss/fitness threads belong here. Cosplay and Lolita are a hobby which hugely involves taking care of your appearance, so there is no real reason why threads like those shouldn't be allowed.

>>8724113
That site is so fucking boring, the only real lolita discussion was about it being ugly ageplay

>>8724856
As someone who hides anything that isn't lolita I can safely say it only takes up about 15% of the board

lolita/jfash specific threads via the catalog: 67

cosplay/con : 59 (this is including these country specific posts, which often include general lolita talks from those countries.)

cosplay/con (minus general country threads): 49


general threads (mail,help makeup, hair. shopping threads. All of these are both fash/cos) : 32

>>8724247
/fa/ is not fucking alt at all, you must be on crack. /fa/ loves traditional fashion from traditional designers like Ann demulemeester, rick owens, Levi's, Nike, etc. It may look odd to badly dressed/ middle class people, but to someone who is used to looking at Western fashion magazines, it's extremely mainstream

>>8724276
Perfect

>>8724752
/tg/ I've browsed your threads and there's nothing of interest for someone who likes jfash

>>8724870
Well the reason they were banned in the first place was because of ana-chans and aggressive "advice giving" from /fit/-anons. They weren't that great.

>>8723536
Could all winterball threads be placed in a containment board like /q/ or /b/ please?

>>8724901
where have you been that you didn't already know that what you're asking for is already a goddamn rule?

>>8724894
I still think they should be allowed. I'm almost morbidly fascinated with how people lose weight to fit the fashion, and if anyone is negatively affected by reading about people losing weight unhealthily, then they should probably step away from the computer. God knows that Japanese girls go to much more extreme lengths to lose weight.

I think an alt board would be a mess because it would probably attract a lot of wannabe-alt models and people who are otherwise normie.

>>8724752
/tg/
as it was always /tg/ related

But then again I think it's good if boards have a little overlap and don't make certain subject "X board only". Good to see different viewpoints

I prefer keeping it like this, I know a lot of people, myself included who both cosplay and wear jfashion, not to mention things like skin care and related threads.

This board is already pretty slow and I doubt the OC would improve by splitting.

The one thing I want back is our fit friday threads because fuck /fit/

>>8724894
Hmmm ok then that does sound shit. I guess I'm so used to /fit/ I forget that those kind of threads here would result in farmer tier shittery in those threads.

>>8724981
>if anyone is negatively affected by reading about people losing weight unhealthily, then they should probably step away from the computer. God knows that Japanese girls go to much more extreme lengths to lose weight.
In all honesty this has nothing to do with stereotypical weightloss and certainly shouldn't be the attitude employed in weightloss threads here. I don't see how Japanese girls doing crazy shit to themselves applies to people looking to shed a few pounds.
In the notion of "is it related?" then I agree, it should be allowed. But if they were banned not because it was necessarily off topic but because people were just shitting up the threads and it became an ED hugbox instead of a standard weightloss general then I can see why they are banned and retract my "there is no real reason why they shouldn't be allowed" statement.

>>8724981
>I think an alt board would be a mess because it would probably attract a lot of wannabe-alt models and people who are otherwise normie.
Imagine all the babies asking for advice, for which outfit that would make daddy give them the most cummies

>>8725027
Imagine all the fetishist asking for advice how to get cum stains out of clothes.

>>8724894
I miss /fit/ fridays, I preferred reading how fellow cosplayers or lolitas were getting into shape for certain characters or to fit into brando. It was way more chill and helpful than going on /fit/.

>>8725030
And their reactions to backlash.

>"Whoa anon. I didn't come here to be kinkshamed. I'm into xyz and don't care how anyone else feels about it!"

>>8725031
This, I know we had some horrible 'thinspiration' going on in those threads but it was nice to be able to discuss the struggles of weightloss without getting shitposted to death.

>>8724874
It is more like 30%, anon.

>>8724877
underrated post

>>8725031
Why would we need those threads here? Go to /fit/ if you want to talk about being fit. It's not hard to understand.

>>8725027
>>8725030
You're either trolling or too dumb to know what alt fashion means. It isn't fetish. It is things like bohemian, rockabilly, new wave, grunge, goth etc

>>8725124
You must be new here or clearly missed that thread.

I feel so torn. I love gyaru but the threads hardly show so trekking to a jfash board every once in awhile would seem silly. At the same time as a Cosplayer I feel almost strange that I know so much about Lolita and it's drama. We also are, as everyone else stated, way too damn slow for a board spilt.

>>8723838
Joke went over your head, also we're on 4chan. Normies get out.

>>8723536
I think this is a great idea. Lolita clearly doesn't belong in /fa/ and a lolita board would be perfect for mail threads, fairy and other kei threads, etc. A cosplay board would be more unisex and lolitas wouldn't have to be bothered by being grouped in with cosplayers. With a cosplay board we'd be able to have a lot more general threads instead of the average and common sailor moon, steven universe, etc threads.

If /cgl/ did split then I think this trend of lolitas also cosplaying would finally stopped. It's not just lolitas who don't want to be grouped with cosplayers, but also vice versa. Lolita would maybe even change a little bit as a result, imagine if most lolitas didn't cosplay at all? That'd make lolitas seem more authentic than just some autistic weaboo woman child.

I don't believe if the boards would split they'd be dead, it'd be busy. A LOT more guys would come on a cosplay board and all lolitas could flee to a lolita board and be salty there instead.

>>8725332
I feel like it would be nice too because then if people posted shitty topics they aren't going to kill a good cosplay thread or good lolita thread that just hasn't been bumped in a while.

Also it would be nice just having a separate space in general honestly.

>>8725053
newfag detected

lemme tell you why that's a dumb idea
>shit's already slow as fuck
>both lolitas and cosplayers go to cons, face it, fashion or no it's related to cons
>both of us have mad petty drama that intertwines, can we really betray our queen, she was a cosplayer and a lolita
we can get along somehow, we're just two sides of the same coin afterall. plus an alt fashion board would just devolve even more easily into /tumblr/ we should try to fix this board before we kill it and fuck up two.

>>8724222
You're acting like this "small victory" is one person who was converted when in reality they were most likely clued into lolita/jfashion during a weeb stage. A very large number of lolitas I know were either interested in anime or cosplayers before starting lolita. No one converted them, no one won a battle with those people; they were the same nerds who discovered on their own and took an interest in it. That, or another weeby friend got them into the fashion.

Honestly, how many people do you think really take away the knowledge of what lolita is after reading about it on some pop internet article or being told about it on the street? Likely next to none. Literally anyone can make a space for themselves on social media; that isn't a victory in your lolita crusade, that's just how social media works. The number of normalfags who stumble across these little niches in broader websites and become actively involved in the fashion is a small one. Establishing a new, slow as shit board just for lolita/jfashion would be even less useful to your cause.

Additionally, at least where I'm from, "goth" is a known term, but it's still viewed as costume-y and weird. And I'm willing to bet that's the best lolita will ever get; people might learn the term, but we're still going to get weird looks with people assuming we're dressed up for a reason or just some nutsos in costumes.

All of these lolitas baaawwing about being lumped in with cosplay like most of the dumbfucks who do that are coming here. Your average idiot who calls it a costume/cosplay is most likely not lurking 4chan and getting confused, especially not if they open a single lolita thread to see anyone bitching about the distinction. Chill.

>Splitting cgl into two
>On a slow ass board
>Make two slow ass boards in the end
Nope.
There is no reason other that lolitas being mad, or cosplayers being mad, I don't care, if you hate cosplay threads, just hide the threads.

>>8724833
(hide threads)

I think it's past time /cgl/ split up. /cgl/ has been officially dominated by /egl/ topics for over two years. There are remnants of /cgl/ the help threads, the convention threads, and the like but they are all dominated by egl threads.

What I truely missed is the cosplay photo threads. It's rate that you see one. But I would keep /cgl/ has a historical remnant and reminder of it's origins.
So here is my proposal

/cgl/ - For General threads about cosplay, egl, and other things connected to the scene.
/egl/ - For Dedicated threads about EGL
/cos/ for Dedicated cosplay and costumes.
/con/ For Anime and Fandom Conventions, like dvach does for /fd/ (fandom), it has popped up from time to time. How about we make it permanent?

>>8725429
make a whole board called /cgl/ to split up /cgl/

genius.

>>8725429
>lets make 1 slow board not only 2 separate boards but 4 separate boards!

>>8725429
This is the dumbest idea ever.

>>8725429
that's too many boards, and they would be slow as hell
we either need to just bring back /con/, or split cgl into /jfa/ and /cos/

>>8724901
> not knowing about /qa/
Wow, /cgl/ really is full of people who never step out of this board.

>>8725436
>>8725437
>>8725441
>>8725447
Then /egl/ /cos/ and /con/. How about that?

can we be called /af/ for asian fashions

>>8725453
no we need a board for Japanese fashion (which would include lolita) as /fa/ is boring male normie shit
therefore
/jfa/
cosplayers/larp/other costume shit could have /cos/ and convention stuff could go there too because that's where you wear cosplays
or we could just beg hiro to bring back /con/ and i can continue to tolerate cosplayers on this board

>>8725453
> missing the point this hard
So instead of 4 super dead boards, we'll have 3 dead boards. Is this your idea?

>>8725453
>lets make 1 slow board not only 2 separate boards but 3 separate boards!

>>8725417
but anon some people are so spergy just the idea of the thread at all makes them reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>8725453
Still the dumbest idea I've heard.

In my opinion the best course of action is two separate boards for Japanese fashion and cosplay/costume making OR to bring back /con/ and ban general convention discussion from /cgl/ so it becomes more of a Jfashion and cosplay board and less of a /con/ 2.0
Cosplay and Jfashion have little to do with each other but I doubt Hiro is willing to split the board; we're more likely to get /con/ back

>>8725469
That makes even less sense, imo. Lolitas and cosplayers can both talk about cons, meetups and events at them, etc. Is /con/ something that can sustain itself any better than splitting cosplay and egl? Splitting con from cgl just seems like taking one of the few things that the two hobbies have in common as it is and leaving them with less to do on the cgl board.

>>8725477
Crossboarding, anon

>>8725495
>make 2 super slow boards that were split from 1 slow board
>residents of both boards still talk to each other and migrate to /con/ to discuss things that were already being discussed on /cgl/ before
>if we combine both boards we create 1 slow board out of 2 super slow boards
>the 2 boards are interacting and seem to have very similar discussions anyway so why not save server space
and that's how we wind up back to square 1

In all honesty the idea of splitting up /cgl/ is so nonsensical to me. Leave /cgl/ as is and just request /altfa/ or something if some of you are so desperate for a split, at least then it might not be a totally dead new board.

>>8724211
Well, as long they are solid or simple patterns is ok because the gothic or classic prints are attention looking like most sweet prints. Also, there is casual or plain sweet lolita, not every sweet coordinate is a pastel vomit ensemble. There is also otome with sweet prints.
>>8724276
Me too. I always thought i would love to see goth inspo threads.

>>8724276
Where would threads about lolita conventions go?
I'm happy with /cgl/ as it is. The makeup/circe lenses/hair/skincare thread are ok for both cosplay and fashion, and many lolitas go to conventions as well.

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Lolita is a costume. Dressing up like babies when you're 20+ years old is not "fashion". You have your own costume events ("meets") that you go to as well.

LOL people thinking pic related is something normal people wear as "fashion". I might as well start whining about my LARP costumes being "fashion" and demand my own board.

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>>8726289
I would like if more people instead to use the fashion just for cons or big meets they would choose more casual/daily settings, of course that means toning down the fashion a lot. Unless a person can't wear lolita because work reasons, parents bitching, friends not accepting, etc... it would be nice to see again "daily lolita" or small informal meets with friends.

>>8726322
a lot of girls are way too insecure to do that. tons of girls in my old comm get nervous just being on the bus to and from meets. they need the group acceptance to wear it at all. and i feel like the fashion is just attracting more and more people like that.

>>8726322
My comm is generally too small to do larger meets so we have lots of smaller meets just doing casual things together and it is very nice! It definitely cuts back on a lot of the more OTT stuff as well which is great in my opinion.

I personally wear lolita when I don't have work or school for the most part even if it's just to meet a friend for coffee.

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itt: people who don't seem to understand the meaning of the word fashion.

It doesn't mean blending in with the normies.
It doesn't mean dressing not sticking out like a sore thumb

pic related, real fashion by a real fashion designer Alexander McQueen. Tell me this isn't going to be misunderstood as some kind of costume if you wear it on the streets. However, that doesn't mean the people who misunderstood it is in the right. It means they misunderstood it. It means they're wrong. That's all.

Now, can we stop using the argument "everybody else thinks you're wearing a costume anyway"? They're wrong, it's a fashion, that's all there is to it.

>>8726639
This isn't street fashion though. It's specifically made for the catwalk and is rarely worn by celebrities to special occasions.

>>8726639
To be fair, fashion implies creativity and skill, something that lolita really doesn't have.

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>>8726639
lol bringing alexander mcqueen in this

runway shows often have extreme looks, especially headpieces that are not meant to be worn in an every day manner. they are beautiful show pieces, but they are not meant to be worn outside of that.

If I saw a group of people wearing these headpieces I would definitely question "why" they are wearing it and "where" to. It is because it is not practical and it's definitely abnormal. Which often can be explained by doing something artistic (photoshoots) or depending on what time period it looks (lolita does have that rococo feel) maybe a play. If I asked and you said "Oh It's just x fashion" I'd accept that, but the very first thing I would assume is that you are wearing something ridiculous for a purpose beyond it being your normal everyday wear.

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>>8726777
And even in a world where people wear designer fashions to events, people look at gaga like she is a crazy person when she wears a look literally ripped from the runway.

are those people misinterpreting the fact that its a "fashion" or are they simply looking at it and thinking "you're not supposed to wear the fucking headpiece." Those people are not wrong. McQueen didn't design these headpieces to be worn normally. They were designed with artistic intent to wear on a runway show or photoshoot to tell a story.

>>8726802
gaga is crazy and she looks terrible. even so we have lolita shit just for the runway too. so the comparison makes some sense.

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>>8726639
Using runway looks to make an argument is really, really stupid.

>"It's just fashion! You're misinterpreting it!!"

>>8726327
I feel the same and for this instead to ban totally any lolita or frilly way of dressing in my daily life i choose to get plain lolita items or other less frilly jfashion styles like otome or larme, i would like to have more courage but it's hard sometimes. Maybe starting with casual/plain coordinates would help me to conquer my fear.
I notice i see as me many people, they dress lolita but in their normal life they just dress to blend with the crowd, normie clothing i mean. I realized i don't want to do this and i want my frilly stuff in everyday life, dressing like everyone does doesn't suit my personality and my overall happiness.
>>8726363
It's better when the comm is small!You can cut not just OTT coordinates that are too princess-y and non pratical but also there would be less drama, less people that disagree, etc.

>>8726777
Tere is a reason why there are ready-to-wear runways, haute runways, and avant-garde runways... there's different levels...

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>>8726306
Meets are literally friend gatherings a lot of times. Like wearing a similar fashion with friends like how friends might cosplay characters from the same series.
If you want to whine about getting your own LARP board, then go ahead. No ones gonna stop you.

Also I've never seen a baby dress like pic related. (Or maybe you know some extremely well dressed 8 month olds. Who knows?)

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>>8726306
I hate to say it but yeah, this.

Even if we had our own alt fashion board we would probably get kicked out of it by the other alt fashion people insisting we belong with the cosplayers. We dont treat this fashion like a fashion. most Lolita's are actually normal fags who dawn on this look for costumed events or a dress up day. Generally speaking we dont actually run around dressed like this, the way we wear wigs etc, it's more along the lines of a costume than a fashion. And the alt fashion crowd would never really accept us anymore than they would someone who only dresses punk on the weekend.

>>8727231
Except that there are plenty of people who wear it casually, or people who might dress in lolita on a day out, but wear casual jfash for day to day.

>>8727231
Its sad because lolita has the diversity to be used as a fashion with casual and Ott outfits and everything in between. but for whatever reason, to most Lolita's its just something you wear to a themed event.

>>8727237
Plenty =/= all.

I myself use it as a fashion, but that doesn't mean the fashion isn't treated as a costume by the overwhelming majority.

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>>8726777
>>8726802
>>8726810


We can do a different designer if you want.

Remember, I'm the one saying just because it looks weird or would stick out in a crowd, does not mean it is not also fashion. The ones insisting lolita stands out in the crowd are the ones implying that anything that stands out in a crowd is a costume rather than a fashion.


>>8726752
fa doesn't have it either.