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Stupid Lolita Questions / What is this item called?

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Curious about the brand in the opening photo, so can we have a lolita item ID / stupid question thread?
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You could just ask this in the general.
Or google image search.

http://www.lolibrary.org/apparel/pusse-du-printemps-op
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... why not just have a dumb questions general?
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>>8686552
I feel exceedingly stupid right now.
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What is the standard time you should wait for a seller to send you the item that you bought? Like if you already bought the damn dress, and you're just waiting for them to ship it. How long should I wait before I start bombarding the seller with messages? Cause it's been a week, and she still hasn't even sent my shit.
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>>8689899
You can definitely start messaging after a week. When was the last time she answered you? If there is still no reply after two weeks file the PayPal claim.
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>>8689909
Thanks Anon! You're the best!
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Stupid-ish question here.
What are some good places to buy lolita apart frdom closetchild, my-lolita-dress and clobbaonline?
I want to buy from taobao but sometimes its nice to have a online store that is easyer the navigate.
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Do I wear a petti with a salopette?
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>>8690509
Depends on how long it is.
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>>8690485
I know AP, Baby/AatP, and Innocent World have US/english websites and you can buy from Infanta through aliexpress. There are also a couple taobao shopping services that have a sort of cart system (taobaoring comes to mind but https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlgllpMiw3VNdGpfWFlYazhjblh5emRjZF9qMkJISWc is a spreadsheet that lists a couple others). That taobao thread always has resources listed at the top if you want to look into it more.
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>>8690509
Some salopettes have space for a petti (ex. AP Dream Fantasy) some not (ex. AP Dreamy Dollhouse).
Pic related. This is the Dream Fantasy salo with a petti inside. I have it too in black and i can wear it only with a shorter petti, also choose one that is A-line and not so poofy, it looks better.
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Extremely silly question. Measurements as per the site state 16.3 inch bust and 35 inch waist. I have a 39 inch bust and 32 waist. I'd like to get this dress but I'm not sure if I'd get boobloaf since I've never worn a salopette/overall dress. Would you guys think it would look flattering or fit okay?
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>>8690718
Looks like maybe if you push your boobs up enough they'll fit in that bust area.
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>>8690718
Also dumb question: what's the name of this specific piece? Definitely looks like AP to me, but I've never seen it.
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>>8690718
Is it meant to be underbust?
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does off white and white go together?
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>>8690959
it can
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Are underbust JSKs supposed to be good for busty or flat girls?
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>>8691047
Flat girls, they look like shit on busty girls

>tfw I'm busty
>oh well
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is pic related loliable?
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>>8691130
If you make it a headdress, yes
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What is the best way to search for 'sack dresses' (like the cosmic OP)? Are they called a-line, baby doll, or something else? Talking specifically about the ones with a free bust, not the ones with a tight bust with the rest of the dress being loose.
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>>8691178
Trapeze dress (like a more voluminous shift dress)
Very 60s style.
Ones with the tight busts are empire waists, or baby dolls sometimes.
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>>8691183
Searching for that comes up with normalfag stuff though. Thank you so much for the proper term, however do you have any advice to find these when searching online?
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>>8691189
Uh, for lolita? It's just free waist. There's no lolita term I don't think, just like of you google a line dress you'll get normalfag ones as well.
Maybe someone will say if there's a specific tag on lolibrary, I can't load it right now.
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>>8691191
That's what I was afraid of. Thanks so much though!
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I know I'm a retard, but someone can explain me boobloaf with pics?
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>>8691676
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What's the name of this dress?
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Are open toed shoes acceptable in lolita? Does this question have a clear cut answer or is it one of those everyone has an opinion and co-ords to back it up things?
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>>8692375
I don't think it looks good since lolita requires to wear socks and open shoes look terrible with socks. But I've seen them in a few coords so maybe some are ok with it.
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>>8692117
Le petit chaperon rouge by Alice and the Pirates.
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>>8692375
They only really look good with those transparent ankle socks.
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Can someone confirm the max stretch of IW high waist Crest Gobelin jsk? I know I'm a fatty but I want that print so badly
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>>8692375

They're just hard to balance well. And by hard to balance, I mean, really really difficult to get everything just right.

Putting side the outfits where it just looks confusing because the wearer paired warm-weather sandals with chilly-weather long-sleeved coords, the average lolita outfit has covered shoulders, a poofy skirt, a lot of frills and a lot of details. Then when you get to the legs and they're bare, it looks a bit unbalanced, whereas most socks have patterns on them that help balance out a frilly, fancy top portion.

So you'd think, it's ok, just pick a simpler dress with less details so that it's ok for the legs to be bare, right, but head too far in that direction and your outfit suddenly becomes too plain and too simple to be lolita, it starts looking like otome or even retro or hillbilly, instead of lolita.
Tough to find that sweet spot where you don't look overdressed for your bare legs, while still being fancy enough to be lolita.
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What dress is this? It doesn't look like babydoll or karami...
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If I wore a black petti with this or any white dress/skirt would you be able to see it?
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>>8693005
Depends on how thick the fabric is and if it's lined.
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>>8690718
probably don't do it, the bust will be weird and the hips could be a problem
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>>8692375

They're acceptable in casual or simple coords for summer. I'd nix any socks altogether and just pair it with a dress that fits the season.
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>>8690655
>tfw you'll never be petite enough to look that cute

Why even live
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does anyone know where I can get a straw hat base similar to pic related?
obviously the rim doesn't have to be super floppy like in the pic, I would actually prefer a stiff rim.
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>>8693569
It looks quite shallow, so I would suggest looking for vintage 30's hats.
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>>8690655
>>8690597
Any recommendations for short very relaxed A-line petticoats that are good for such? I'd rather get one just in case it can.
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>>8693569
Historical hat reproduction places are your best bet, depending on your budget. They're often in the $200+ range, but Austen Nation has some more reasonable ones: http://www.austentation.com/boutique/hats.html

Also Miller's Millinery: http://www.bonnets.com/hats.html

If you're crafty, this tutorial might be helpful: http://thedreamstress.com/2013/03/tutorial-how-to-turn-a-straw-sunhat-into-an-18th-century-bergere
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Is there any set rules for Decora like there is for Lolita? I want to try out the style buy I am finding it difficult to do it just right. What makes a good Decora outfit?
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Sales are slow right now because of the Holy Lantern MTO and the upcoming holidays, so when would be a good time to start selling again?
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>>8695231
Probably after Christmas or New Year.
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>>8694635
Much less rules for it, but similarly to lolita the best outfits tend to be ones that have an overall color scheme or a theme. Also I would say make sure you really have a ton of stuff, so you dont look too bare.
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>>8690485
I'll look through the inventory on sites like my lolita dress, then find the same items on the brand shops on taobao sometimes.

Spreenow has a cart system that is pretty cool. it translates the listing colors and sizes.
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>>8690718
>>8690764
http://yaplog.jp/ap-tokyo/archive/6989

かゆニャンのおさんぽセット

It's a collaboration with NEU.The Set included the salopette, corsage and a headbow of some sort.
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>>8692375
In Japan girls wear them with socks. In the west, socks with sandals is ridiculed.

Basically, because of that, it's waaay harder to wear them in the west.
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>>8694635
Pick a base color + 2 or 3 accent colors if you are new and work from there. Don't try to do a whole rainbow. You should have enough on that you make a little noise when you walk.

Look for accessories that look too big. even the smallest clips on a lot of decora girls are on the larger size of normal.
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>>8692669
Closet child calls this one からみベビードールジャンパースカート as well which looks like a different release of that....
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>>8692669
So, dug some more. GLB4 has a からみジャンパースカート (Karami JSK) that looks like this with different lace. The lace on this one shows up on other things in 2001-ish. So I'm thinking that this is an early Karami, or a re-release of the early karami without lace between the tiers.
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>>8695351
There is also this which is 2005 or earlier
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>>8692669
Ah! Found it!
https://web.archive.org/web/20010127201100/http://www.babyssb.co.jp/mailorder/jumsk/125201.html

125201
カラミジャンパースカート

Karami JSK, from 2001, or 2000.

I hope you are asking because you bought it or were just curious, because chances of finding it again are slim.
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>>8695362
correction, it's from 2001, because it starts with 125. 2000 items started with 124. It was released in January though, so it's like one of the very first things they put out in 2001.
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Anyone recognize this dress? The watermark, LolitaShow, is some kind of front for Milanoo, so I'm assuming it's fake. I love the layered look and all the different textures going on. Does anyone know of any dress that looks similar to this, perhaps, if it's too hard to figure out what it is originally?
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>>8695367
You don't need to post this in multiple threads! .
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I really want to get into a lolita comm, but I can't seem to find one anywhere near me. I live on the western side of NC, and I can't find anything except Northcarolita, and it seems like they're inactive. Does anyone know of any other NC area comms?
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>>8695362
Wow, that is some intense sleuthing. Thanks so much gulls, I really appreciate it. I bought it recently and needed to ID it.
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Can you remove the bows on bodyline shoes?
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Who does in-store shopping service requests in Tokyo? And is Tokyo Pirates active currently? I tried sending her an email a few weeks ago and the emails didn't go through. I also sent her an ask on Tumblr and she never responded.
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Why did Agnes/danselsroses deactivate her tumblr???
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>>8698240
Her new URL is bowsbeforeboyss.
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Can anyone help ID this BTSSB jsk? I've searched lolibrary and it seems similair to the lace frill jsk, chelsea jsk and pintuck jsk but is slightly different to all of them.
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Would wearing a cage skirt in a coord look ita? Also, are there any good coords with cage skirts?
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Is it ever appropriate to make message a seller and attempt to make a large BIN offer on an auction
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I forgot the name of that one nun-like dress with the "pointy" white collar with a cross on one (or both?) sides of the collar and I have no pic and I've been trying to find it on google but it only shows pictures of similar dresses, not the exact one I'm looking for.

I feel so stupid because it's a really well known dress I think but I forgot the damn name
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>>8702688
Nameless poem?
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>>8697736
I removed the bows in the back on 255 and if I remember correctly (that was around 3 years ago and I don't have them anymore so I'm not sure), it wasn't noticeable at all that I removed them. I did cut the bows though, I think.
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>>8702693
THANK YOU
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I was trying to reference an AP dress the other day and straight up could not remember what it's called, and I was trying to find a photo and coming up with squat.

It's a ballerina dress. Not like "ballerina print" but straight up looks like a goddamn sugarplum fairy costume. I think the bodice is white with pink embroidery. Does anyone else know what I'm talking about, or have it lost my damn mind?
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>>8702553
Yes, I've done this before. If the seller accepts your offer they can change the listing to reserve it for you.
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>>8702780
Dreaming Primadonna Doll Set
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>>8702780
Do you mean the Prima Donna Doll set?
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>>8702786
>>8702788
YES. Yes I do. Thank you based anons.
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>>8695641
You should post in the comm thread, you'll get more help there.
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>>8702788
Does anyone have a worn picture of this thing? I've seen girls saying "Dream Dress Dream Dress!!" but I've never seen a single coord with this dress in my life.
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So...One thing I really don't understand is how/why sometimes Baby (Not sure if AP does this too?) puts out really inexpensive full sets? Like this was sub-200$. Is it just a promotional thing? How do I get on that train?? I want a full set for under 200. :,( I feel stupid for not understanding what's going on.
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>>8702804
dropped photo.
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>>8690750
It ended up fitting like a normal salopette, the straps are just a tad long.
>>8690770
I'm not even really sure, the top ended up mid-chest but it doesn't look too bad
>>8693050
I ended up buying it and the bust actually fits a little large, but I think once I fix the straps it'll fit nicer. Other than that I'm happy to report no boobloaf
>>8695277
Ty! I didn't even know the name myself, closet child had it misnamed. I just knew it was AP
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>>8690959
If you coord decently, of course
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>>8702783
this is going to get stupid but the is a stupid questions thread so whatever. the item I'm interested in being auctioned at a low price and Im not really sure how popular it will be. If possible I dont want to pay more than I would if people arent interested. is it better to wait and see?
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What does KC stand for and how is it different to a normal headbow?
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>>8703131
It's not. Check the archive, ffs.
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New to lolita, obviously.
My measurements are 91cm bust, 69cm waist, 95cm hip.
What brands would I fit into?
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>>8703167
You should be okay with most shirred brand pieces released within the last few years.
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>>8703167
Invest in a binder and you'll be fine
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>>8703131
"KC" is short for "katyusha", which is the term given to bows that are fixed to an Alice band (as opposed to attaching via a barette/alligator clip, etc).

>>8703134
It's a dumb question thread anon, don't be an ass.
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>>8702803
I'd absolutely love to see a worn pic of that.
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Recommended place/brand to get shoes from?
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>>8703250
Depends on the size of your feet and how much you're willing to spend.
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>>8703002
Why not make the minimum bid, it only raises the price a dollar. I always open up bidding and I've gotten nice things very cheap that way
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>>8702804
Those are lucky packs, which used to comprise of random items but now they do sets too. They are released during the new year. Just pay attention to lolita updates near end 2015.
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>>8703258
I have pretty big feet and I'm not too fussed on the price, but if there are cheaper stores then that's a plus.
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Really stupid question, do I need to use Tenso to order from Meta?
They say they do international shipping but I don't know if they mean through Tenso or not
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>>8703342
Lolita updates? Is that a tumblr? I am not that anon but I'm desperate for lucky packs, so sad I missed metas recent one
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>>8703427
How new are you?

Jfc what the fuck is wrong with the captcha on this site right now, won't work directly
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>>8703432
I don't ever use tumblr, I've been here about three months
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>>8703443
Maybe you could use what little common sense you have to determine from my other post that it's not on Tumblr. Why the fuck would it be?
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>>8703443
What's with all the newfags finding out about cgl before core sites that they should be using first? It explains the influx of morons but it's annoying
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>>8703463
i've been on 4chan since 2006 and i don't fucking use tumblr, get your head out of your ass.
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>>8703466
Can you read? No brought up Tumblr except for you. They likely meant sites like LJ and FB because that's were LU is, not Tumblr. Congrats on being stupid and not understanding how the site works for that long then.
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>>8702457
They're perfect for gothic/ero.
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>>8691761
That horrific sweater.
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>>8703463
And what are these 'core sites'? Tumblr?
fml you're probably serious.
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>>8703487
Can you read? >>8703475

The core sites have changed a lot (used to be LJ, now FB is one of them) but regardless, you should be doing research on places like those and blogs such as FYeahLolita rather than posting stupid questions on cgl.
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>>8703466
I don't think they meant tumblr. I think they meant, oh, actual lolita sites with basic fucking knowledge on them.
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>>8703493
Oh, and I suppose Lolibrary, Hello Lace and others such as the handbook (probably super dated but still helpful) should be visited before here. So many image questions that can be easily answered with these sites.
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>>8703466
Please familiarize yourself with the EGL community's info and links on LJ. That is, reading them, not posting stupid questions there.
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>>8703499
Didn't we make a guidebook for beginners? I remember that being a thing.
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>>8703493
this is a stupid lolita questions thread, salty chan
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>>8703512
Doesn't mean that laziness should be encouraged
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So, eeh..
There was someone talking on the HL threads a month ago (?) that AP would resume the re-release in November? I did not buy anything and just now have money for a set or two..
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>>8703422
No, you can order directly from their website.
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>>8703503
>not posting stupid questions there
this is a stupid questions thread holy fuck.
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>>8703516
>laziness
>it's a stupid questions thread
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>>8703532
You would also benefit from joining Lolita Updates on Facebook. There hasn't been an update on the possible re-release/second MTO since the first blog post.
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>>8703546
you would benefit from getting the fuck out of the thread.
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Are Lolita dresses usually lined? If so how much? Fully lined down to the skirt part or just the bodice?
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>>8703547
Who shit in your cheerios anon? It's okay, you can tell us.
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>>8703550
being passive aggressive about giving advice in a stupid questions thread isn't helpful, answer or fucking leave.
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>>8703550
I did it. I'm the Mad Pooper.
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>>8703556
How dare you.
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>>8703548
Some cheaper indie brands like Anna House don't line their dresses at all, but the fabric is usually thick enough for it to not matter. Brand items usually line at least the skirts.
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>>8703554
Suggesting to join LU is also advice. Plenty of questions get answered on each thread and you can search for specific prints or bands. No passive aggressive feelings, I'm not connected to the previous LU replies.
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>>8703554
What is so passive aggressive about telling someone that they'd benefit by subscribing to Lolita Updates? That's valid, helpful advice. Jesus anon. Step back from the computer and take a deep breath.
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>>8703563
I see, thanks!
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>>8703556
The Butt-ler
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>>8703565
>>8703577
I think that anon thinks you're the salty-chan from earlier since they have everyone ITT on edge.
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So are AP lucky packs usually released near the end of the year?

>inb4 join Lolita Updates, I'm already a part of that, I just want to be prepared
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>>8703607
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>>8703537
Cool, thank you!
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Does anyone have Meta's Fancy Egg in medium length and would be willing to measure it for me? Lolibrary says the length is 82.8cm but I think that sounds really short?
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>>8703721
sure

>from waist to the bottom of hem ruffle - 65 cm
>from top of neckline to bottom of hem ruffle - 92 cm

selling mine in green if interested
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>>8699714
http://hellolace.net/wardrobe/baby-the-stars-shine-bright/type/jsk/item/341/
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Since there is this thread for stupid questions:

How do I find out or determine the actual market worth of a piece (e.g. skirt or dress) without asking in the price check thread? I found a couple of nice second hand offers, but I'm very uncertain whether the prices are legitimate or not.
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>>8703872
Searching for it having been listed on lacemarket and other second hand sales comms and comparing prices of it having sold in the past
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>>8703607
Traditionally lucky packs are always at the end of the year, it used to be a superstition that any leftover stock in a store would bring bad luck in the new year so they needed it out.
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>>8703751
Thank you!
I'm actually getting the pink, but good luck selling it, the green one is beautiful!
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Someone bought me this hot mess and was trying to make it semi decent. Maybe a night white blouse underneath with either a sailor collar or peter pan collar.
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Is Angelic Pretty's "Down for Maintenance" page legit, or is it what the site defaults to when their shit server gets too many visitors?
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>>8692375
>>8695280
what's so bad about wearing socks and sandals anyway? i think it's cute
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>>8704256
Don't even bother, just wear it with a cardigan and tights for a normal cute outfit. It will be ita as lolita.
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>>8704256
You can try... but no guarentee it'll look good for lolita.
Here's some posts of someone trying with the black version a couple years back. The comments might be of some help to you and you'll be able to see how it looks with a petticoat.

http://egl.livejournal.com/19258768.html
http://egl.livejournal.com/19263647.html

tl:dr - You'll probably need an underskirt to make it long enough and to turn the halterneck into regular JSK straps if they are long enough. Probably need to remove the embroidery too.
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Is there any way to order from the Victorian Maiden site? I have a mighty need for one of their JSKs and I don't want it to slip through my fingers again after I missed the reservation.
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>>8704329
I used japonica market to buy the elegant ribbon canotier hat off the VM website
so if you know for sure that the dress you want isn't going to sell out soon you can try using them
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How exactly do payment plans work. What happened if I pay it off but never get the dress? Would I only get my last payment back from PayPal?
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Do the prints on APs tights run? Specifically Milky Cross if anyone's ever had any experience washing them. This is my first pair of brand tights and I don't want them to get ruined after the first wear.
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>>8690485
I'm all about wunderwelt. They have nice prices and pretty easy to navigate and use. Everything by brand is listed nicely by category.
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>>8704492
I have put mine in the wash at least twice and they've come out fine.
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I'm pretty sure this will be a stupid question...

I'm debating on either grabbing a $150 jsk+headbow from BTSSB or just buy a nice inexpensive bodyline dress and wait until when the lucky pack 2016 comes out.

What do you anons think?
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>>8704958
Get the btssb set. In the long run you'll probably regret the bodyline dress and there is time to save up for LPs.
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>>8704472
>seller is selling something, lets say a JSK for $400
>as the buyer, you propose a payment plan and work out what the seller would like
> Lets say $200 every 2 weeks.
>Seller invoices you for $200, you pay
>2 weeks later she invoices you again for $200 and you pay.
>You've now paid for the JSK and it's the sellers job to send.
>if for some awful reason she doesn't send, you file paypal claims for every invoice she sent.

In my experience, don't ask for a payment plan for something under $100, it's usually for things above $300-$400+ items. Each situation is case by case though, example:

>be me
>seller has been selling set I'm mildly interested in
>message her but pass in the end because priorities
>she's been trying to sell it for weeks
>is desperate, has been lowering price
>she asks if I'm still interested
>not really
>she offers payment plan
>she just wants it gone

It's usually for high price items though. Hope this helps.
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What is a trip, I've been here for a few months and can't seem to figure it out.

Is it something I should have? I'm very confused.
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>>8704958
btssb set

>better quality
>better resale value
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>>8704978
tripcodes are put in so that people are recognized off anon, long story short.

95% it's just people being obnoxious as hell and we would rather they not trip, such as voldie or hospitality doll. But then there's trips like chinese gossip, who are actually useful and not attention whoring.

Don't trip, don't stress about it, just keep doing what you're doing.
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>>8704984
Thank you anon! Very helpful!
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>>8704984
Does HD even trip any more? And I haven't seen Voldie actually use hers in ages. Personally Hanari and Tim annoy me more.
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>>8704958
Anon, LPs don't happen until December, you still have time, trust me, LPs are worth grabbing than a bodyline dress.
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>>8704987
Nah HD said she would stop using it. Voldie uses hers on rare occasions but usually posts without it now.
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>>8692662
>hillbilly
kek
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>>8704958

That's a strangely worded question. If you mean that you can either buy
(a) the $150 btssb set, or
(b) the inexpensive bodyline dress and the lucky pack

But you're unable to do the $150 btssb set and the lucky pack together, then I would chose option (b).

If your choice is actually
(a)$150 btssb set, or
(b) bodyline dress
and you will get the 2016 lucky pack no matter which one you buy, then the $150 btssb set is the better choice -- the resale is better, it comes as a set so no worries about headbow, and the fabric is usually better than some of the printed Bodyline pieces.

Third option, if you're starting out as a complete beginner with zero wardrobe, my personal recommendation is to save up your money until you have at least ~50k yen to splurge all at once on the lucky pack. Sure, the lucky pack is expected to only cost <30k yen, shipping and all, but once you buy the lucky pack, you're not only going to need a pannier and shoes, but you'll also most likely want a second or third blouse, a bolero/cardigan, extra headbows, accessorries, under/overskirt, etc to make a second or third not-so-basic coord with the lucky pack jsk. So you might consider forgoing both the $150 btssb set and the bodyline set altogether if you find it hard to save 50k yen by late December (no judgement here, just suggesting an alternative since I don't know your financial situation).

I should add that the brand lucky packs don't always have a guaranteed decent resale value, one year mbok was totally flooded with btssb tartan sets going for 3-5k yen, because btssb had done 3 different sets in 3 different colourways as lucky packs that year. So just be aware that sometimes even brand sets can be difficult to resell.
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>>8705055
Yeah sorry, I didn't make my question clear enough. What I mean was If I should buy the BTSSB headbow+jsk set and buy the 2016 LP from either AP or BTSSB, or save some cash for the LP and buy a Love Jewelry jsk.

But now it makes sense, I guess it's better not to be too excited and desperate for lucky packs.

I'm kind of in a budget and don't have 50k at the moment, and I had to leave lolita for a while because of financial issues, but now I'm thankful that I'm beginning to be hired to well paid jobs now. So I guess I can reach to 50k by December (hopefully).

Thanks to you anon, and to posts >>8704961.
>>8704980. and >>8704989 for your help!
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What's /cgl/s opinion on sewing your own dresses/under garments.

Is it a must that a cord be mostly brand?

I always get compliments on my outfits but feel super awkward when being asked what brand I'm wearing and having to explain it's not.
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>>8705183
Don't feel awkward about it, be proud of it! If the quality of the garments you make is so good that it's mistaken for brand (Japanese, indie, or otherwise) it's a compliment!
I can't speak for everyone on cgl but I think for the most part, what matters is that your clothes are made of high quality materials, designed and sewn well, and fit you properly. The label (or lack thereof, if it's handmade) doesn't matter as long as it looks good.
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>>8705183
>dat humblebrag
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>>8705187
Oh thank goddess, was honestly thinking about giving up the style out of constant embarrassment and being to fucking broke to afford name stuff. Thank you very kindly, I've been avoiding the community because of it...

>>8705189
...but I will still be avoiding the community.
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>>8705192
Regardless of what you wear, joining the community is entirely up to you. Lolita is first and foremost a fashion, and if you prefer to be a lone lolita that's perfectly fine.
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>>8697937
Late response but she recently posted on her tumblr that she's on an emergency hiatus and out of the country currently. I forget when she said she'll be back, but it should be on her tumblr as the newest post?
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>>8704329
You can only order from them through a Shopping service. Fortunately, if you're in the US, TokyoRebel in NYC is an official dealer for them and can order items in-stock on the website as well as on reserve period for you so you don't have to deal with SS fees and international shipping, only domestic shipping I believe. I'm local to them so I can pick up in-store, if you're close enough to NYC this is probably also an option for you.

I think TR will also ship internationally but idk if the price would be worth it by that point especially if you have customs, etc to worry about.

>>8704472
Paypal actually specifically does not cover payment plans. If they find out it was one, you will not be covered.
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I've deaigned my own dream dress but I dont have the skills to make it happen. Can anyone recommend a seamstress to commission? Currently considering Glitter Tale because I have been pleased with the blouses I've ordered in the past and they seem quite open to custom designs.
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when do reservations for Innocent World's oddment packs typically go up?
i know there was one recently but it seemed to be mostly leftover packs that sold out super fast.
do normal oddments packs still sell out that fast, too? or is there typically more time to actually send an order in?
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>>8705412

I was wondering about TR - they currently don't have the item I want in stock, and was wondering if it would be more cost effective and headache free than going through an SS to get the item.
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Who knows a SS which can order from fril.jp?
Please, help!~

%%byee and FJ don't%%
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>>8704977
>>8705412
Thank you for the replies. I have a dress on a payment plan and have only paid one invoice so far but haven't gotten a second or a reply for the seller in a couple of days, so I'm just wondering what to do. It's my dream dress for under market price so I'm hoping I won't have to file a claim and pass up on this =(
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>>8705523
Seconding this question, and also wondering if there is a list of lolita specific seamstresses to commission for pieces and headdresses (particularly headdresses). Or maybe a facebook group?
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I hopet this hasn't been asked yet, I tried ctrl+f

When a dress has shirring/is adjustable, are the measurements listed the max size? Because I saw an OP with shirring that I want on closetchild but the waist size listed seems huge..
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>>8705980
Depends on the brand-who measures it
If it has an ~ in front of it, it means up to (stretched measurement). And ~ after means upwards (unstretched) for closet child.
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>>8691062
Feeling your pain here anon
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Anyone know anything about ordering from himi/cutie mori on storenvy?
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Can anyone help me identify pic related? All I know is that it's Meta. Tried looking around lolibrary but couldn't find anything that resembled it.
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>>8706222
From the Swan Border series. Translate the name and you'll find it on their blog most likely.
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>>8706232
Thanks anon!
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>>8706222
>>8706232
I had nothing better to do so here you go: http://blog.livedoor.jp/metamor_shizuoka/archives/50613815.html

Released in 2008, retailed for 29190 yen. Lolibrary has two of the dress cuts listed.
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Where can I buy overskirts? Or is it easier to just make one?
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>>8706251
For some reason the name field cracked me up. Little Dipper is popular and probably cheaper than making your own. I hope that helps, Tim.
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>>8706254
Thanks, anon!

That's what they call me.
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>>8706254
hOI
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Does anybody know the max waist measurement on Twinkle Ornament? I'm in love with it, but I'm a borderline fatty-chan.
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How do I stop being awkward at meetups?

I always feel like I come off as a creeper or something but I'm just shy.

I wish there was some etiquette guide I just follow so I wouldn't have to worry.
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I've seen this dress pop up once in awhile, it's a science/chemistry themed dress, anyone know what it's called?
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>>8706883
You're going to have to be a bit more specific. Metamorphose just had aa Secret Laboratory dress. If that's not it then, is it brand? Dark colors? What other specific elements about it could you give?
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>>8706883
Secret laboratory?
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>>8706859
Anons have written countless etiquette guides and advice, go do some research, search the archives.
It's like you don't even want to get better.
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>>8706859
Unless you say or do things that are clearly unacceptable (i.e. asking people who wear/own a lot of brand if they're rich, touching people or their dresses without permission, etc.), it might just be your own feeling. I understand being shy, and it's okay if sometimes you say something that might be a bit awkward because you didn't think it through first, but unless you're straight up rude or invasive I don't think you should worry too much.
Then again I know the feeling of being shy and awkward in social situations so I tend to be more forgiving.
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I'm really new to the fashion and at the point where I'd like to purchase my first petticoat. Bell shaped or A-line? Any shop recommendations? What to look for in a petti?
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>>8707091
>Bell or A-shaped?
Depends in which style you intend to wear most. Sweet or gothic? Bell. Classic? A-shaped.
>Recommendations:
Burando pettis tend to be amazing, especially AP and Meta. For a cheaper option, go to Malco Moldes.
>What to look for in a petti?
Search for a petti that doesn't deflate easily. You can archieve optimal poofiness by layering pettis, but if your petti deflates quickly you have a problem.
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>>8706919
>>8706934
It's not Secret Laboratory [but thanks for mentioning it, it's gorgeous], sorry for the shit description. I remember the dress being very neutral tones, browns, beiges and the like. It had books, old school chemistry sets. I've seen it pasted on top of Bill Nye as a joke before, I'm just a moron and never saved it.
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Should I spend $100 to make my apartment smell like christmas? I have a job.
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>>8707128
Why not just buy one, wait for it to get low, then buy the other one later?
Also why not, if you have a job go for it. $100 isn't much
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>>8705563
Typically they go up around April and September iirc. They do tend to sell out pretty fast, so make sure to keep an eye on the IW site around those months if you want one.
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>>8703173
I don't think a binder is necessary for her? I have a 95 cm bust and I fit into most brand fine.
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what's up with the intense suzy hate? visited lolcow and jesus those girls are out for blood
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>>8686235
Can I use this coat for lolita?
I'm in desperate need of a lolita coat and my mom found this at a local store.
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>>8707463
The skirt has no poof, so no. Invest in a lolita coat anon.
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>>8707112
maybe poison queen's cellar
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>>8707367
Go ask read the whole thing and see why they dont like her? Cgl isnt here to talk about what lolcow does.

>>8707463
If it is warm and cheap go for it, but you will never find a good long coat that suits lolita in a local store. Most girls will wear shorter coats or dont button all the way down to deal with the poof for normal coats.
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Is there an accepted abbreviation or abbreviated name for Atelier Pierrot?
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>>8708202
"The other AP"
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>>8707463
Closet Child has a lot of coats right now.
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>>8708202
AtPi is sometimes used
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>>8708290

I loled
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>>8706251
I think lady sloth has some too
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So I was checking out on AP JP and accidentally confirmed payment for Paygeant ATM thinking it was the equivalent of the debit card option. I emailed them immediately after they didn't ask for my card info, but the confirmation email seems strict about not changing payment methods. Has this happened to anyone, will they let you change to credit card or am I going to end up forfeiting my stuff for non payment?
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>>8707482
HOLY SHIT THAT'S IT
Bless you, anon
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>>8686235
What would people consider the "basics" for old school sweet? I'm also thinking potentially a parasol, and either a ringlet-ed or teased wig. I have pink rocking horse shoes already, but it's not a style I've tried before, I'm a newfag.
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>>8707128
Lmao this is so out of place it reminded me of old people on Facebook. Bless you anon.
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>>8708968
np
it's a little expensive though
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Could someone give me a crash course in Tenso? Just ordered horror garden from them and am having trouble figuring out my next steps.
I did the usual:
-Ordered from AP like normal
-Put in Tenso address
-Heard nothing from Tenso
-Get shipping notification
-Heard nothing from Tenso

I don't have a verified ID with them, could that be it?
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I may be the last person to know, but does AP Paris still exist? My parents want to go to Paris and I'd really like to visit the store if it's still there... it's still on the AP directory so I'm a little confused
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>>8708988
Striped socks look really cute in old school sweet. Animal bags and even carrying straight up bears and things (a bit iffy unless it's for a photoshoot) was also common. You'll want your blouses to have larger peter pan collars and thick cotton lace. For a more authentic look you could style your own hair in ringlets rather than a wig and refer to the makeup from old bible scans (some are on Avant Gauche).
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>>8707128
I am obsessed with designer fragrance diffusers, go for it
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>>8709734
Um, pretty sure you have to have your account verified to order anything.
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>>8709734
>>8709804
Nope. You only need to verify your ID when you're actually shipping items to your mailing address. Also, Tenso only sends you a notification when your item arrives at their warehouse.
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Does anyone know where to buy or even get some long bloomers that are used in old school coords?
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>>8707104
Thank you so much!
I just ordered a petti from Meta, quite the price but I cannot wait for it to be here, ahhh!
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no judging but where can I get madonna crowns?
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I wasn't sure where else to ask this. Does anyone know the max sizing for Decoration Dream? I have an 84cm waist and wanted to know if I could even fit in it before attempting to buy it.
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>>8710481
be careful, there's a shifty girl with little feedback trying to sell/trade this op in this colorway who has been banned in some groups already
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should i bid on this if the girl has no feedback?
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>>8710578
ask her for external feedback that she may not have linked.
if she doesn't have any, it's your call if you want to bid or not.
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>>8710541
I found this one on lace market. Seller is from England. Do you think it's her? I really appreciate the warning. Why was she banned?
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If I wear a EU size 36 and a UK size 3 (a bit on the smallish side) am I more likely to be a Japanese size 22.5 or 23?
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>>8710678
what's the Lacemarket name? iirc she only had one positive feedback. check the "Angelic Pretty Sales (ONLY) World Wide" group on FB's pinned post for more.
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>>8710678
>>8710900
nm i checked, is this her?
http://www.lacemarket.us/author/littlelolita258/
if so then yeah she should be that Fran Bow. iirc in one group she had this huge list of things she'd trade for (majority were higher valued than her OP) and that was her feedback link.
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>>8710900
http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=decoration+dream&aq=-1&oq=&x=0&y=0&ei=UTF-8&slider=0&tab_ex=commerce&auccat=
also, check the auctions on Yahoo Japan for the same cut and color for much lower prices
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>>8710903
Oh man that is the dress I was going to buy.
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>>8710778
Honestly, just measure your feet in mm
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I've ordered by first first-hand dress from Metamorphose and it shipped yesterday. I know it should change over to an American delivery system once it gets here, but I don't know when to start looking out for it. How do I know when USPS/UPS/etc. takes over?
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>>8711959
Usually the tracking will say it's processed into the sorting facility or inbound/outbound into customs. Once it's outbound, it's usually another business day before it arrives. I've had some EMS packages sit in customs for 6 weeks before though.
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>>8703872
Change the search term to the name of the series.
http://closedsearch.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/closedsearch?p=Angelic+Pretty
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>>8705563
oddment packs have a mix of damaged and clearance merchandise in them. There isn't a ton of damaged merchandise, so there aren't many backs made, so they sell out super fast.
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If I ever make an "inspired by" coord based on pic related (or any Orange Caramel outfit desu), would it be considered cosplay? It'd also be my first coord, would it be too "out there"?
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>>8715535
Yes, too out there. What ever happened to a nice regular first coord that follows the rules and just looks nice. Walk before you fly. Why base your Lolita stuff on things that aren't even Lolita anyway? Just doing Lolita well for its own sake is special enough. No need to pull unrelated things into it or do mashups.
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>>8715535
I don't know about cosplay but I can smell the ita of that coord a mile away. Just either wear lolita or a normalfag inspired outfit of whatever this is. Those colors and patterns would look awful in lolita.
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>>8715560
>>8715551

Of course it'd be a proper lolita outfit, I'm certainly not about to go blouse-less and without legwear and call it lolita.

I guess it kind of makes no sense if there's no context to it. In the image, it's cute ice-cream based outfits. So I was thinking going for a pastel print-less OP and adding ice-cream motifs, following one of the color schemes of the video. For example, say I'm going to do the "inspired by" thing for the girl in the aqua and bubblegum pink... I'd do mintXsoft pink, not as busy, not as bright and add ice cream motifs of that color without overdoing it.

I do understand the walk before I fly though, so before pulling a stunt like that I'll just start smaller.
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>>8715573
Maybe do a collage using all the Lolita items you have in mind for the coord? Then people can get a better idea of what you mean and you can show your idea in Lolita terms and also get some handy suggestions and advice before you take the plunge and buy items.
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>>8715573
ok this actually sounds cute
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>>8692375
It's a personal opinion thing with the majority voting 'no'. You can find a Lolita bible or Japanese street snap for just about ever exception and people are going to ...but others will usually have something to say about it too.
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>lolita
>dont even wear randoseru
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>>8710193
I got a pair from Fanplusfriend and they're perfect.
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>>8715582
>>8715584

I'll do a little bit of digging! Hopefully I'll find some stuff by tonight that sort of shows what I'm shooting for
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>>8715602
??????????
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stupid question: what do i do with the ends of the neckties on my dress after i tie them, do i tuck it into my op/blouse?
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>>8715582
>>8715584

I'm >>8715641

This is sort of what I had in mind? Was thinking of going for a print-free JSK/OP but this was sort of begging to be used...
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>>8716212
This is cute. I'd be careful of the pinks matching, it's a bit tricky sometimes. I'm not sure of the high blouse neckline with this jsk, what sort of necklace were you planning? I think I'd use pink tights too.
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>>8716222

Yeah, I know that's one of the things to be wary of. They look like they match on my screen. The blouse is also AP so maybe it'll be the same? What worries me is the boots but I guess this will be more of a "wait and see" kind of thing, if not I can sell them until I find ones that match?

What kind of neckline would you suggest? I'm still very much new so any any advice is more than welcome... As far as the uhm.. necklace, maybe something like this? Though I don't know if it'll clash given that the hair accessories are more cartoonish and bold whereas this is more understated and not realistic but just... not the same style.
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do you have to use waist ties and/or back lacing? I know they're nice details on the dress but honestly I can't bring myself to deal with them most of the time and remove them first thing is that weird?
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>>8716212
Those tights (sockdreams I assume?) are pretty wonderful. I've had mine for several years. I'm not sure how I feel about it with this particular print though. I usually pair mine up with more elegant prints and go with cute OTKs or tights for more of AP's pastel vomit stuff. But if you're pairing it with boots, it might be okay.

The photos look like the pinks are generally within the same family (cool and light) but sometimes when things come in, they're not as expected.
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>>8716333

Nope, just a search through aliexpress, but I'll check out sockdreams because it's likely they'll be much better quality. I'd wear OTKs too but I got some scars on my knees, a bit of discoloration too because holy shit was I a rowdy kid. There's already a design for tights that I've envisioned but it's likely a "will never find it" so if I can be arsed to draw it and con someone into airbrushing the design onto some white or pink tights then that'll be the solution, lol.

Yeah, that's what I was worried about too. The logical way to go would be to just get teaparties in pink because it'd be more sure to match the shirt and JSK but... Boots are so much cuter, but if and when they're ordered they end up not matching then they can be resold and I'll just keep my quest for the perfect match going.
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What are some lolita dresses/skirts with biscuit prints? Everything I've found so far is otome.
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>>8716269
I like this and the bag better than the hair clips. With everything else, I think you need more on your head for balance than a couple of little clips. I think the boots are cute but I like shoes better.
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>>8716374
The clips on the image actually look kinda big, pic related. I just wanted to fit all of them in one of those itty bitty squares
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Anyone know what print this is?
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>>8716556
BTSSB's Merry Sweet Castle
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>>8716557
Thank you anon!
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>>8716321
No you don't. Some people need to because their dresses and skirts are slightly too big without then but if your stuff fits then there's no reason.
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>>8717204
I think shirring without the lacing over looks bad but that's just my own view. As long as the lacing is threaded though holes in the lace and not grommets or obvious tabs or holes meant for lacing, it's fine. I think waist ties are completely optional but I think they almost always add a nice touch and I miss them if they aren't there.
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>>8692375
The only case of a clear "yes" would be in Hime Style Lolita.
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>>8716369
The closest thing I can think of is AP's Cream Cookie Collection but not everything on that print is biscuits. Maybe it still gives off the vibe youre looking for?
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>>8716369

Wonder Cookie!


There's a few other prints that aren't entirely cookies but has cookies in it, for eg Decoration Dream is a cake print with little pony cookies sprinkled on it. One of the violets in Sweetie Violet is a cookie as well. The border of Sweet Cream House is biscuits and jam tarts. There's probably more, I'm having trouble remembering them.
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>>8716321

I have a couple of burando dresses that don't come with waist ties by design (mostly low waisted non print dresses). I also remove waist ties if it interferes with the bolero (doesn't happen often, usually only with some of AP's high waisted stuff). So I guess no, it's not really mandatory.

The question is more whether it looks good without the waist ties. I mean, it's lolita, it's full of frills and the first thing you need to do is wear a bulky petticoat because otherwise your skirt looks limp and sad. This isn't a fashion that's "convenient" or "lazy". You could certainly remove the waist ties, but you're pretty much removing a little extra detail that makes your outfit cute, which seems counterproductive to the aim of wearing lolita in the first place.

If you have trouble tying the bow, you can enlist the help of a friend. Then, once they've tied a super nice bow, you can keep it tied. Just detach the waist tie by the buttons when you want to take off the dress, reattach the waist tie (with the bow still tied on it) when you next put on the dress again. Too bad there's no shortcut for back lacing, those are always a pain to sort out.
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>>8715620
Thank you! I forgot about Fanplusfriends! Are they soft and comfy?
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Pic related, was wondering if I can get away without wearing blouse for this dress. Will be wearing the wrist cuffs or gloves.
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Can I get an ID on this dress?
How much would I have to pay for it?
Would I fit it with a 89cm bust + 69cm waist?
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>>8719372
Shooting star a la mode, it would fit. In the future ,image search is your friend, it took me less than 3 min to find this.
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>>8719309
nope nope nope. You really need a blouse for jumper skirts like this.
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>>8719412
Just check the price
>1500-6000$
RIP dreams
Thanks, though.
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>>8719431
no prob, I know the struggle of an impossible dream dress. keep in mind that if you like the style and would be ok with something close, they release similar things a lot.
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>>8716394
Those clips are still really tiny, anon. I'd go for bigger headwear.
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>>8709789
Nope, AP is closed. BTSSB is still there though.
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>>8719309
This is going to sit super low on your chest, please wear a blouse wih it.
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Has there ever been casual coord threads on /cgl/, or is there a place where it'd be easy to find good examples? I'd like to make a casual outfit for a bus trip I'm going on (and it actually happens to land on international lolita day in December) but I'm worried about making it look too not-lolita.
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Can you use prepaid gift cards on lacemarket invoices? I got one for my birthday and I want to use it for some brand.
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I'm not sure if I'm being super stupid or not buuuut-
Are there different versions of the Maria Antonio JSK or a re release or something? I bought one not too long ago and I cannot find a picture anywhere of the type of bodice mine has. Also the writing on it is different than the writing showing up on Lolibrary.

(Sorry if I'm just really bad at google and potato)
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>>8720026
Yes. The one with stars is the original I think. There was a re-release a couple years ago with no stars on the bodice.
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>>8720041
>stars

They're roses
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>>8720045
I am also a potato.
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>>8719620
yes, why not check the archives before asking? or you could start a new one, it has been a while and people always have coords/ideas to share.
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I'm pretty sure this question will sound stupid, but would these shoes work with lolita? My closet consists of a sweet romantic kind of style.
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I've never used an SS before.
But this dress is available on both the AP shop and the San Fran US AP shop.
Which would be cheaper if I'm ordering from Washington?
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>>8720315
I believe it's cheaper to order from AP JP. AP USA will charge you tax on top of the purchase price, and shipping will be at least $20, coming out to a little over $300. With the current exchange rate even adding shipping and service fees from Tenso it should come out to considerably less, like $280 tops. AP JP will take longer though, since it has to travel domestically to Tenso's warehouse and then EMS to you, and by then you may be stuck in the holiday shipping rush.

Hope that helps!
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>>8720324
Makes sense thanks.

also another stupid question, two of the other colorways on AP JP are listed as "stock" what does that mean exactly? I know it's something like "back stock", but more deets about it and peoples experience ordering something that was "stock" would be much appreciated.
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Last week I asked Japonica Market to ship my order and they said they'd send me the invoice for shipping, I just needed to "wait my turn". This was on November 11th, I'm getting a bit worried. Should I email them and ask what's up or just wait?
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>>8720243
yep!
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Could anyone please tell me what this BtSSB bolero is called? I can't seem to find it on lolibrary or anywhere else.

Details: It's a very dark navy with black(?) lace. Somewhat heavier construction and the tag make me think it's an older piece. Sleeves do have that ruffle, but are not detachable.
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>>8720514
might be this one:
http://blog.livedoor.jp/baby_mito/archives/50927276.html
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>>8720573
That is definitely it. Thank you!
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Is there a specific search term to find the squishy moons and stars used for these 2ways?
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>>8702707
>forgot the name
>nameless poem
kek
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>>8720922
chocomint star moon clip
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Not sure if this would go here, but...
I can buy either the brown dress on the left or both the other dresses on the right(green) and middle(in either pink or purple colorway)
I'm a poorfag.
What should I do?
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>>8720922
are you looking for the name of the clip or the materials used?
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>>8721698
Get the green JSK on the right, the other two are kinda hideous. Save the rest of your money for something else you might need for your wardrobe (a new blouse, socks, shoes?)
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>>8721698
I would say the Jsks. Jsks are more versatile than Ops and allow for a lot of different looks so you'll be able to do a lot more with them.
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>>8721698
>>8721698
Close the Bodyline tab. Open secondhand sales, Closetchild, Taobao. You will get nicer stuff for your money.

You can get something like this Meta dress or this Baby dress for the same price

>http://www.closetchildonlineshop.com/product/88557

>http://www.closetchildonlineshop.com/product/86991

Trust me I know those poorfag feels. You just have to take the time to find great deals. Hang in there.
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>>8721722
>>8721729
I liked the green JSK the best anyway, I think.
>>8721749
These are great, thanks!
I'm not even making low wages, it's just CAD exchange rates are so horrible, so everything out-of-country is just so much more money.

I might get the green JSK, it's cheap and cute.
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>>8717266
>>8717280
I was really hoping there was something a little more classic leaning. Thanks though!
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>>8721698
Seconding the anon above that recommended Closetchild, I'm a poorfag and that's where most of my pieces come from, you can find secondhand brand for the same price as bodyline. Unless you really love the bodyline dresses, you might regret spending your hard earned cash on it later.

Wunderwelt is also a good secondhand site to check out, they and Closetchild are really easy to order from. Sometimes you can find some good deals on Lacemarket, but it takes a bit of hunting and stalking auctions. my-lolita-dress is a great place to order your first taobao items from if you're a beginner, that have a super easy cart system and everything.

But basically, don't buy anything you don't love, especially if you have a small budget.

Sorry I didn't really answer your question, just thought some advice would be nice. Also the brown and purple dresses are pretty ugly in my opinion, but you could probably make the mint one work if you really like it!
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>>8721786
Thanks.
The mint one caught my eye because I've recently been obsessed with light green and mint things.

The others I wasn't sure about.
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>>8721780
I think that just by definition you probably won't be able to find much classic with food prints. Try innocent world maybe, they tend to do sweet themes in more classic ways.
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>>8720427
I'm assuming it means they have in-store stock available, which will take a little longer to get to you since they have to send for it from a branch store. But an older release like this one might not have been updated in a while so it may have sold out already. Still, it's worth a shot, they can just refund you, or you can e-mail them beforehand to check.
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Where can I get good Lolita gloves? Full length arm ones would be lovely to match a short sleeve op of mine, but I also want to find some short length ones in a lace or ivory color? Taobao and brand okay, but preferably in stock items
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i don't wear lolita, but i think the style and a lot of the prints are very nice looking and i am wondering what would be the best place to look through a lot of images of lolita items and prints with minimal site-hopping. there don't seem to be a lot of it on pinterest which is my usual haunt.
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What is "Milanoo"?
Why is it used as an insult? What is wrong with it?
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>>8723253
>Milanoo
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I pre-ordered Angelic heaven and was thinking about getting Dozing cat,
Meta site says I can pre-order them together so does that mean I won't be invoiced until both are ready?
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>>8721717
The materials used, please
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>>8722647
Go to a vintage store. That's where I find most of my gloves.
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How does wunderwelt do their sizing? I'm looking at a couple items and the measurements seem almost impossibly small
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